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« on: October 30, 2017, 10:19:47 PM »

The biggest fight globally by a distance, lots of talk about it. Makes Joshua huge in America, Wilder needs it more to get him more appeal on a whole we think?

Joshua got this one out the way which is what it was all about. Wilder is up against Stiverne again this weekend, probably his toughest opponent since Stiverne first time round. Ideally he comes through impressively, I will say it was probably his best performance in the first fight where he showed a bit of quality although Stiverne was poor.

Joshua, very much the star is looking at 3 fights next year, it seems we're looking at this as the second one in the Summer. The idea seems to be Wilder coming over for a Whyte fight which would introduce many to him, can we avoid this one being PPV or is that a certainty?

Who do we want to see Joshua in with next, Joshua has mentioned mandatory obligations but his clear long term goal being the belts. I like the idea of Joshua fighting in America, Miller seems the go to guy, seems very fitting a Wilder fight in the UK against our secondary guy and Joshua doing the same, maybe sticking to successive weeks or a double header even.

The higher risk fight against Parker for the WBO, Haye will be back in the picture if he beats Bellew.

What does everybody want, how would you like it built, is this definately a stadium fight in the UK or can it be as big in the US?  
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2017, 10:30:17 PM »

For me Wilder is absolute pants and is the strongest evidence going to suggest this current HW crop is not all that the TV people and casuals think it is.

Joshua losing to him damages his career far more than beating him strengthens it.

Says a lot when Wilder is reluctant to even fight Dillian Why're.
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2017, 06:34:32 AM »

Aj will fight his wba mandatory next then I think he will target Parker (If he still has his belt).

I can see why wilder wouldn't want to face dillian whyte. He isn't very good for starters and isn't known in the states. Plus if he comes over here, as I said in another thread, there is a very good chance he may be screwed by the judges
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2017, 08:56:23 AM »

Makes better sense to make sure Wilder gets the nod over in the UK to set up the Joshua fight surely?

I'd like to see Joshua go for Parker next & then Wilder but i'm not sure that is how it will work out it might be Pulev next.

Whyte isn't all that good if honest he is living off the punch that rocked Joshua he was poor against Chisora and wasn't great Saturday even though he did win it easily in the end.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2017, 09:20:47 AM »

Makes better sense to make sure Wilder gets the nod over in the UK to set up the Joshua fight surely?

I'd like to see Joshua go for Parker next & then Wilder but i'm not sure that is how it will work out it might be Pulev next.

Whyte isn't all that good if honest he is living off the punch that rocked Joshua he was poor against Chisora and wasn't great Saturday even though he did win it easily in the end.
I think Eddie would be happy to make AJ v Whyte 2 as would still sell a stadium out and would have to pay Whyte a lot less than WIlder
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2017, 09:53:29 AM »

I think Eddie would be happy to make AJ v Whyte 2 as would still sell a stadium out and would have to pay Whyte a lot less than WIlder

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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2017, 10:02:12 AM »

I think Eddie would be happy to make AJ v Whyte 2 as would still sell a stadium out and would have to pay Whyte a lot less than WIlder

Yeah that's true as Whyte would take that fight for probably half I was thinking more on the PPV lines it would get more casuals involved if both are unbeaten and they see the KO percentage.

Either way Eddie cannot lose provided Wilder comes through his fight Saturday night.
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2017, 10:07:52 AM »

I think most of all Wilder needs to look good against Stiverne this weekend.  Neither Parker nor Whyte have generated much in the way of excitement in their fights recently so Wilder could do with putting some spark back into the mix.

Ultimately, Wilder needs to accept that he is B-side here.  At best he'll be doing 5-7k at the Barclays Centre which just can't compete with what AJ is generating.  I imagine that one of the casino's might stump up the cash to have the fight in the US but it would seem that AJ/Hearn will be calling the shots as Wilder doesn't have the money behind him.
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2017, 10:46:16 AM »

Hopefully the WBA mandatory situation isn't too pressing now with Ortiz popping hot, and Hearn can make the Parker fight next. Its unification and its a straight forward enough fight for me. It'll also give a gauge of whether Joshua has made the changes needed to his training routine ahead of a potential Wilder fight.

Wilder should fight Whyte in the meantime....and whoever wins that is obviously the natural opponent for Joshua.

Then if Fury does get himself back into contention then he'll also be looking for some of the action.
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2017, 11:41:06 AM »

Parker's promoter is indicating that they would be interested in a March fight if they receive a 'respectable' offer.
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2017, 02:48:03 PM »

Parker's promoter is indicating that they would be interested in a March fight if they receive a 'respectable' offer.

I think that sounds like a good time.....the question is how 'respectable' an offer are they after?

Are they really interested in the fight? Or are they just looking for a kings ransom to cash out?

From his recent comments it does sound like Parker is starting to fancy his chances. Guess we'll soon see just how much when details of the negotiations start coming out.

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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2017, 03:09:21 PM »

I think that sounds like a good time.....the question is how 'respectable' an offer are they after?

Are they really interested in the fight? Or are they just looking for a kings ransom to cash out?

From his recent comments it does sound like Parker is starting to fancy his chances. Guess we'll soon see just how much when details of the negotiations start coming out.


I think there was reference to a throwaway comment from Hearn saying that no offer had been made but if it were then it would be about 20%.  For all his talk in the last few days, Parker had a great opportunity to drive his worth up for the AJ fight when he fought Fury but instead did himself no real favours. 

No doubting that 20% isn't going to make this fight but surely they can't expect more than 35% when his last fight was on YouTube in a half full arena.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2017, 03:14:02 PM »

Is there actually any potential gain to Joshua by trying to crack the American market?  Not sure of the potential revenues involved, but it does seem like anyone who wants to fight him will have to do so in the UK?  No bad thing in my opinion.
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2017, 03:19:58 PM »

I agree Bonters the Americans need to get it in their heads that the UK can now compete financially with them on most fights & also Wilder isn't that popular in the States going by his fight purses and tickets sold.

Obviously Canelo is not likely to step foot in Britain I understand that he is huge on PPV so what makes $$$$$$ makes sense as Floyd would say.

Majority of the best heavyweights are European too but I guess in time Joshua will want to sample a fight at New York or Las Vegas.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2017, 03:24:46 PM »

I think there was reference to a throwaway comment from Hearn saying that no offer had been made but if it were then it would be about 20%.  For all his talk in the last few days, Parker had a great opportunity to drive his worth up for the AJ fight when he fought Fury but instead did himself no real favours. 

No doubting that 20% isn't going to make this fight but surely they can't expect more than 35% when his last fight was on YouTube in a half full arena.

I agree....Parker has to understand the only thing he's really bringing to the fight at the moment is the WBO strap. I don't think Joshua looked particularly good against Takam, but Parker looked very poor against Hughie....and as you say in front of a small crowd. Parker has lost pretty much all his momentum and his stock has plummeted in recent fights.

I guess this will come down to how much value Joshua and Matchroom place on the WBO world title. The fans will have an idea of whats a fair offer and if one side is taking the p*ss. We shall see.
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