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[D-Fil]

I know, but they weren't as bad in my opinion, to do it at that point.

You didnt know that. Your exact words were:

'but I think in the second one was it stopped for a different reason'.

A cuts a cut, and if you have seen both fights (which u more than likely have not judging by the above quote) then you would know that both stoppages were completly justifiable.

Think Vitali Klitschko in the Lennox Lewis. Then add a few more rounds of damage.

[Gul Dukat]

You didnt know that. Your exact words were:

'but I think in the second one was it stopped for a different reason'.

A cuts a cut, and if you have seen both fights (which u more than likely have not judging by the above quote) then you would know that both stoppages were completly justifiable.

Think Vitali Klitschko in the Lennox Lewis. Then add a few more rounds of damage.

You probably haven't seen it too, because both fights were earlier stopped than Lewis vs. Klitschko. I've watched bouts, where the referee let continue boxers with worse cuts, even in these days (for example several of Arturo Gatti).

[D-Fil]

You probably haven't seen it too, because both fights were earlier stopped than Lewis vs. Klitschko. I've watched bouts, where the referee let continue boxers with worse cuts, even in these days (for example several of Arturo Gatti).

I wasn't making the point that it went longer, I was saying that HAD Vitali taking a few more rounds of damage from Lennox, then his face would of looked as bad as Cooper's.

Gatti has been cut up pretty bad, but I can't remember a fight were he was as badly cut as Cooper was in the Clay/Ali fights.

[Gul Dukat]

I wasn't making the point that it went longer, I was saying that HAD Vitali taking a few more rounds of damage from Lennox, then his face would of looked as bad as Cooper's.

Gatti has been cut up pretty bad, but I can't remember a fight were he was as badly cut as Cooper was in the Clay/Ali fights.

No worry about Vitalys face, he would have knocked Lennox out before it could have got that bad.

Gatti was it for instance against Ward and Branco.

[dallykint]

However, I will go out on a limb and say that Ali was given some dodgy decisions in his career. Many thought Doug Jones beat him

I question how many have actually seen the Doug Jones fiight really because some people have managed to take a quite clear win as some type of close,controversial decision when it really wasn't.

The only dodgy decision I saw him receive was against Jimmy Young.

The first two were very close, but third fight vs. Norton is always regarded as one of the worst robberies in boxing (beside Foreman vs. Briggs, Schmeling vs. Sharkey II and Johnson vs. Woods I):

The worst robberies are the fights that very few have actually watched.Watch Aaron Pryor's fight with Gary Hinton to see a true robbery.


There was nothing close about the first fight,Norton won very convincingly.The second fight was what I regard as a close but clear decision in Ali's favour.You would be hard pressed to find many rounds in which Norton won in the first six rounds and eventually after Ali's legs abandoned him,he planted his feet and traded shots with Norton and came out on top in these exchanges surprisingly.

I scored the third Norton fight to Norton by a point but I didn't see it as a robbery.Norton was quite well ahead after the first eight rounds and for some odd reason allowed Ali back into the fight.

(also against Jürgen Blin and Ron Lyle).

Have you ever seen the blin fight? blin didn't beat the count and staggered as he struggled to get to his feet.

[Gul Dukat]

I question how many have actually seen the Doug Jones fiight really because some people have managed to take a quite clear win as some type of close,controversial decision when it really wasn't.

The only dodgy decision I saw him receive was against Jimmy Young.





The worst robberies are the fights that very few have actually watched.Watch Aaron Pryor's fight with Gary Hinton to see a true robbery.


There was nothing close about the first fight,Norton won very convincingly.The second fight was what I regard as a close but clear decision in Ali's favour.You would be hard pressed to find many rounds in which Norton won in the first six rounds and eventually after Ali's legs abandoned him,he planted his feet and traded shots with Norton and came out on top in these exchanges surprisingly.

I scored the third Norton fight to Norton by a point but I didn't see it as a robbery.Norton was quite well ahead after the first eight rounds and for some odd reason allowed Ali back into the fight.



Have you ever seen the blin fight? blin didn't beat the count and staggered as he struggled to get to his feet.

I've seen highlights of that, it was in Switzerland (in Basel ). I thought Blin stand before 10 second were over (as well Foreman, who was on his feet when the referee counted 7 or . I'm not sure, whether he was down by a clean punch or more pushed down (like Berbick in the first round against Tyson).

[Syntax Error]

Well, Riddick Bowe was definitely better at eating than Muhammad Ali was!

[Tito]

Bowe would have been a great fighter with a great legacy if he had the balls to step in the ring Lewis and Tyson. When he was in his prime he was a great fighter in a great division but his shelf life was far to short. I think the Bowe who was knocking around in 92/94 would clean up the division today including the Klitschko's.

[Gul Dukat]

Bowe would have been a great fighter with a great legacy if he had the balls to step in the ring Lewis and Tyson. When he was in his prime he was a great fighter in a great division but his shelf life was far to short. I think the Bowe who was knocking around in 92/94 would clean up the division today including the Klitschko's.

Bowe was great, but how coul he have fought against Tyson? Who was in prison when he came at world stage and later went he self in it. Mike Tyson had to box Riddick Bowe in his first or second comeback fight, which was impossible. Also were they friends and on the same school. Bowe achieved more than Tyson in the last decade (look at their bouts vs. Holyfield).

[shaun hand speed reed]

gul all i can say is u r clearly a f***ing idiot and know very little about boxing how can u say someone was robbed if uve only seen highlights  what a tool

[katsidis warrior (leicester lip)]

Muhammed Ali second best heavyweight ever in some peoples mind 1st and this literally every boxing enthusiast minus gul, thread over.

[Gul Dukat]

Muhammed Ali second best heavyweight ever in some peoples mind 1st and this literally every boxing enthusiast minus gul, thread over.

Why shall he be it? Because your and many other people think so.

But this don't make it to be a fact! Usain Bolt is perhaps the fastest 100 meter runner of all time, because he accomplished the lowest time over this distance ever. But how will you measure the achievement of a boxer? Though Floyd Mayweather is likely better than DeMarcus Corley. But how can different eras and weights rated in boxing? Or just fighters which have never faced against each other (for example Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon or Archie Moore and Roy Jones Jr.). How do you compare them?

I suppose it's only a matter of opinion, which ought to be individual (maybe also the scoring systems). I have my own mind and won't let me influence from other people or the media.

[katsidis warrior (leicester lip)]

Why shall he be it? Because your and many other people think so.

But this don't make it to be a fact! Usain Bolt is perhaps the fastest 100 meter runner of all time, because he accomplished the lowest time over this distance ever. But how will you measure the achievement of a boxer? Though Floyd Mayweather is likely better than DeMarcus Corley. But how can different eras and weights rated in boxing? Or just fighters which have never faced against each other (for example Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon or Archie Moore and Roy Jones Jr.). How do you compare them?

I suppose it's only a matter of opinion, which ought to be individual (maybe also the scoring systems). I have my own mind and won't let me influence from other people or the media.

based on records looking at the styles there pro's and cons in skill, comparing the fighters they faced and beaten and lost to but to say riddick bowe is better than 'THE GREATEST' MUHAMMED ALI says it all gul

[Gul Dukat]

based on records looking at the styles there pro's and cons in skill, comparing the fighters they faced and beaten and lost to but to say riddick bowe is better than 'THE GREATEST' MUHAMMED ALI says it all gul

Ali has likely the better opposition than Bowe. But I'm not certain whether he has the superior record. Also got he many gift decisions (not unlike de la Hoya). When he lost against Frazier, then is very possible that he could it too vs. Holyfield.

[dallykint]

Ali has likely the better opposition than Bowe. But I'm not certain whether he has the superior record. Also got he many gift decisions

Ali fought and beat a greater opposition of opponent than any heavyweight champion in history.His resume,when he was in his prime in the 1960's alone is greater than Bowe's entire resume.

You'd only seen highlights of a legitimate knockout that you said was stopped for different reasons.I'll take your claims of many gift decisions with a pinch of salt.


Ali lost to Frazier after having fought just eighteen rounds in three and a half years.He would later beat Frazier decisively twice.Holyfield was a better all around fighter than Norton and Frazier,so claiming Ali would having his difficulties with Holyfield is valid.




What were the many gift decisions(that you've actually seen) that De La Hoya picked up?