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[rbakich]

Gul: As everyone can already see, I have never been a fan of Lewis. I was just wondering how in the HELL you could say that Bowe has a better record that Lewis?

Bowe never accomplished ANYTHING, other than his one big fight against Evander. He was a flop on every level, from performance, to public opinion to the sad state he showed up in to the few big fights he had.

I am always happy to be proven wrong - it's how we as fans learn about the sport we love. I just do not see a single way that Bowe was better.

I seem to remember Lewis pounding out wins against the likes of Ray Mercer, Mike Tyson, Vitaly, Grant, Golota and Holyfield. A few of those wins were controversial, but surely that is better than big fat Bowe flattening Jesse Ferguson and Michael Dokes, no?

Bowe was heavily hyped, much heralded and talked about on his way up. He even had the blessing of the great Eddie Futch, bless his heart. But if we are to be honest, Bowe accomplished NOTHING other than his trilogy with Evander at the top level - a fighter who Bowe had no business losing to but yet found a way to make a trilogy out of it.

DQ's over Golota vs recorded wins over the day's top heavies? I'll vote for Lenny every time, mate. I am sure that I am not alone on this matter.

[Skav]

Gul: As everyone can already see, I have never been a fan of Lewis. I was just wondering how in the HELL you could say that Bowe has a better record that Lewis?

Bowe never accomplished ANYTHING, other than his one big fight against Evander. He was a flop on every level, from performance, to public opinion to the sad state he showed up in to the few big fights he had.

I am always happy to be proven wrong - it's how we as fans learn about the sport we love. I just do not see a single way that Bowe was better.

I seem to remember Lewis pounding out wins against the likes of Ray Mercer, Mike Tyson, Vitaly, Grant, Golota and Holyfield. A few of those wins were controversial, but surely that is better than big fat Bowe flattening Jesse Ferguson and Michael Dokes, no?

Bowe was heavily hyped, much heralded and talked about on his way up. He even had the blessing of the great Eddie Futch, bless his heart. But if we are to be honest, Bowe accomplished NOTHING other than his trilogy with Evander at the top level - a fighter who Bowe had no business losing to but yet found a way to make a trilogy out of it.

DQ's over Golota vs recorded wins over the day's top heavies? I'll vote for Lenny every time, mate. I am sure that I am not alone on this matter.

In my opinion, that's a little injustice to Holyfield. He's one of the bravest heavyweights to enter a ring.

[Gul Dukat]

Gul: As everyone can already see, I have never been a fan of Lewis. I was just wondering how in the HELL you could say that Bowe has a better record that Lewis?

Bowe never accomplished ANYTHING, other than his one big fight against Evander. He was a flop on every level, from performance, to public opinion to the sad state he showed up in to the few big fights he had.

I am always happy to be proven wrong - it's how we as fans learn about the sport we love. I just do not see a single way that Bowe was better.

I seem to remember Lewis pounding out wins against the likes of Ray Mercer, Mike Tyson, Vitaly, Grant, Golota and Holyfield. A few of those wins were controversial, but surely that is better than big fat Bowe flattening Jesse Ferguson and Michael Dokes, no?

Bowe was heavily hyped, much heralded and talked about on his way up. He even had the blessing of the great Eddie Futch, bless his heart. But if we are to be honest, Bowe accomplished NOTHING other than his trilogy with Evander at the top level - a fighter who Bowe had no business losing to but yet found a way to make a trilogy out of it.

DQ's over Golota vs recorded wins over the day's top heavies? I'll vote for Lenny every time, mate. I am sure that I am not alone on this matter.

Bowe won more comfortable vs. Holyfield than it did Lewis and has a positive match-rate against any of his opponents. He wasn't stopped by average fighters as McCall and Rahman.

What has Lennox Lewis accomplished except of a win vs. an old Evander Holyfield and a highly controversial verdict over Vitaly Klitschko? He won against an over the hill untrained Tyson, the limited slow goblin Tua and glass-chin Grant (who was the biggest hype in the Heavyweight since Gerry Cooney).

Riddick Bowe has not only the wins over former WBA champion Michael Dokes and Jesse Ferguson. He also won against the then undefeated WBO champion Herbie Hide, the later WBA champion Bruce Seldon, former WBC champion Pinklon Thomas, Tyrell Biggs, former WBA champion Tony Tubbs, Pierre Coetzer, Bert Cooper, the then undefeated contenders Larry Donald and Jorge Gonzalez.

[jimjack]

Bowe won more comfortable vs. Holyfield than it did Lewis and has a positive match-rate against any of his opponents. He wasn't stopped by average fighters as McCall and Rahman.

What has Lennox Lewis accomplished except of a win vs. an old Evander Holyfield and a highly controversial verdict over Vitaly Klitschko? He won against an over the hill untrained Tyson, the limited slow goblin Tua and glass-chin Grant (who was the biggest hype in the Heavyweight since Gerry Cooney).

Riddick Bowe has not only the wins over former WBA champion Michael Dokes and Jesse Ferguson. He also won against the then undefeated WBO champion Herbie Hide, the later WBA champion Bruce Seldon, former WBC champion Pinklon Thomas, Tyrell Biggs, former WBA champion Tony Tubbs, Pierre Coetzer, Bert Cooper, the then undefeated contenders Larry Donald and Jorge Gonzalez.

  you've got to be taking the pi$$ now... Herbie fookin Hide!! Ive had harder kisses.

[Gul Dukat]

you've got to be taking the pi$$ now... Herbie fookin Hide!! Ive had harder kisses.

He stopped Tony Tucker in two rounds, who went over 12 rounds with Lennox Lewis.

[rbakich]

Gul, I can't figure out if you're for real or just trying to get people riled up. Let me get this straight, Jorge Luis Gonzalez was undefeated and that makes him a solid contender? But Grant was a glass chinned hype-job? Grant wasn't glass chinned until Lenny smashed it to bits.

Just because Lenny flattened him in 2 doesn't take away from the fact that Lennox had the balls to take on an undefeated beast who was suggested by many to be the nest best thing. Bowe went after Ferguson and Dokes while Lenny smashed a young up and comer. That pretty much says it all for me right there.

And if you want to compare how they did against common opponents, how about Golota? Not only that, but to say that Bowe had an easier time against Holyfield is pretty out there as well. I don't remember Lewis climbing off the canvas at any time......

[Gul Dukat]

Gul, I can't figure out if you're for real or just trying to get people riled up. Let me get this straight, Jorge Luis Gonzalez was undefeated and that makes him a solid contender? But Grant was a glass chinned hype-job? Grant wasn't glass chinned until Lenny smashed it to bits.

Just because Lenny flattened him in 2 doesn't take away from the fact that Lennox had the balls to take on an undefeated beast who was suggested by many to be the nest best thing. Bowe went after Ferguson and Dokes while Lenny smashed a young up and comer. That pretty much says it all for me right there.

And if you want to compare how they did against common opponents, how about Golota? Not only that, but to say that Bowe had an easier time against Holyfield is pretty out there as well. I don't remember Lewis climbing off the canvas at any time......

Of course because he always stayed on the canvas when he was down . Maybe you should watch the bouts against Rahman and McCall.

You pretend that you don't like Lennox Lewis, but you obvious do. You are lying to yourself.

Gonzalez was a very ambitious Cuban talent like Solis and Lara. But Bowe smashed his boxing career (like it did Felix Trinidad on David Reid). Michael Grant on the other hand was always exposed by Golota, wasn't tested before and had a very pumped up record (like Faruq Salem and Victor Oganov). He didn't had anything special and ordinary boxer as Calvin Brock with worse chin (he was even worse than Anthony Thompson).

I've only compared their record; there has Lewis one win over Golota and Bowe two. I can also argue, that his mind was already broken by Riddick Bowe, then he compete against Lennox Lewis.

[rbakich]

I think I'm done with this argument. No, I never did like Lennox, but I'm not blind, stupid, or totally unwilling to accept history for what it is.

[rbakich]

Skav: I didn't mean to belittle Holyfield in any way. He was one of my favorites. I can see why you would think that after reading back, though.

I think we could both agree that had Bowe showed up for 2 and 3 in the same shape as the first fight, he would have most likely won all 3 of them. That's all I meant. And that's no disrespect to Mr. Holyfield. That's just plain common sense to me.

[westbo]

Of course because he always stayed on the canvas when he was down . Maybe you should watch the bouts against Rahman and McCall.

You pretend that you don't like Lennox Lewis, but you obvious do. You are lying to yourself.

Gonzalez was a very ambitious Cuban talent like Solis and Lara. But Bowe smashed his boxing career (like it did Felix Trinidad on David Reid). Michael Grant on the other hand was always exposed by Golota, wasn't tested before and had a very pumped up record (like Faruq Salem and Victo Oganov). He didn't had anything special and ordinary boxer as Calvin Brock with worse chin (he was even worse than Anthony Thompson).

I've only compared their record; there has Lewis one win over Golota and Bowe two. I can also argue, that his mind was already broken by Riddick Bowe, then he compete against Lennox Lewis.

why would Golotas mind have been broken by Riddick Bowe, he was beating him in both fights untl he was Disqualified.

[Gul Dukat]

why would Golotas mind have been broken by Riddick Bowe, he was beating him in both fights untl he was Disqualified.

Because he wasn't disqualified for nothing. If he would have been able to stop Bowe through legal punches, then he would have done it. Golota was also winning against Grant, until he broke down mentally.

[Boxingfan1991]

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say, Gul, if lennox was an eastern european fighter, you would be praising him left right and centre.

[Gul Dukat]

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say, Gul, if lennox was an eastern european fighter, you would be praising him left right and centre.

I'm going to stick my neck out here and think, if Bowe would be a Brit, you would adore him as a mix of Sugar Ray Robinson and Jesus Christ.

[Gul Dukat]

I think I'm done with this argument. No, I never did like Lennox, but I'm not blind, stupid, or totally unwilling to accept history for what it is.

Then it's probably because of your British blinkers.

I like both boxer, but think that Bowe has the better professional record. Though it is close (43 wins/ 1 defeat to 42 wins/ 1 draw and 2 defeats), but Lewis was stopped by two second tier opponents and had some controversial victories.

I don't know who would have won a fight between them, but it hasn't anything to do with their competition.

[Fightin Irish]

Then it's probably because of your British blinkers.

I like both boxer, but think that Bowe has the better professional record. Though it is close (43 wins/ 1 defeat to 42 wins/ 1 draw and 2 defeats), but Lewis was stopped by two second tier opponents and had some controversial victories.

I don't know who would have won a fight between them, but it hasn't anything to do with their competition.

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Didnt Lewis KO Bowe in the Olympic final???