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Title: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: 7777 on November 20, 2013, 12:23:39 PM
Fast car Eddie just said on SSN Murray out with a virus, Andy Lee now in

Carl Froch v George Groves
WBA and IBF Super Middleweight titles

Scott Quigg v Diego Silva
WBA Super Bantamweight title

Rocky Fielding vs Luke Blackledge
Commonwealth Super Middleweight title

Anthony Crolla v Stephen Foster Jr.
WBO Inter-Continental Lightweight title

Stephen Smith vs Sergio Manuel Medina
Vacant WBC International Silver super featherweight title

Anthony Joshua v Hector Avila Off with a shoulder injury to Joshua

Jamie McDonnell vs Bernard Inom

Scotty Cardle va Krzysztof Szot

Luke Campbell vs Michael Isaac Carrero

Kal Yafai vs Abigail Medina

Andy Lee vs TBC



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: jaff_no1 on November 20, 2013, 12:25:35 PM
Think Joshua has now withdrawn with a shoulder injury


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: 7777 on November 20, 2013, 12:29:20 PM
Think Joshua has now withdrawn with a shoulder injury

Updated ta


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: DLINKLA on November 20, 2013, 12:38:52 PM
Updated ta


This is on the froch board .


Where's Martin Murray ?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: 7777 on November 20, 2013, 12:41:12 PM

This is on the froch board .


Where's Martin Murray ?

Sorry I don't really read that board so have missed it if so and Murray explained in first sentence of post  :D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: DLINKLA on November 20, 2013, 12:43:48 PM
Sorry I don't really read that board so have missed it if so and Murray explained in first sentence of post  :D

Sorry missed it.

Gutted no -  Joshua or Murray

For me it's gone from a superb card to an ok card


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: Stevie J on November 20, 2013, 01:17:07 PM
The card looks like quantity over quality to me. way to many average fights...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: ScottMillwall on November 20, 2013, 01:18:27 PM
The card looks like quantity over quality to me. way to many average fights...

I agree with this. Whilst Eddie is putting out a lot of his stable for this, it's not as if they're in compelling match ups, is it? Not really any pick'ems on the bill.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: 7777 on November 20, 2013, 01:20:52 PM
I agree with this. Whilst Eddie is putting out a lot of his stable for this, it's not as if they're in compelling match ups, is it? Not really any pick'ems on the bill.

I don't think Smith, Crolla or Quigg have 'gimmes' to be be honest, they should win but they're not walkovers


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: ScottMillwall on November 20, 2013, 01:26:10 PM
I don't think Smith, Crolla or Quigg have 'gimmes' to be be honest, they should win but they're not walkovers

Quigg's is a gimme, in my opinion.

Fair enough on Crolla and Smith, though. It's not the mouthwatering card that it's made out to be. Some of the bellends that Hearn was retweeting were insufferable. You'd think this was a throw back to Don King's PPVs the way some are going on about it.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: The Hurricane on November 20, 2013, 01:35:34 PM
Quigg's is a gimme, in my opinion.

Fair enough on Crolla and Smith, though. It's not the mouthwatering card that it's made out to be. Some of the bellends that Hearn was retweeting were insufferable. You'd think this was a throw back to Don King's PPVs the way some are going on about it.

Haha, I've wondered who these people are as well.  They didn't annoy me as much as the twats he was retweeting that had tweeted him with pictures of their PPV confirmation from Sky/Virgin.  Grown blokes asking for Eddie to tell them what good boys they'd been - bloody weird.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: ScottMillwall on November 20, 2013, 01:52:07 PM
Ha yeah, that was embarrassing. The value some people put on a retweet is bizarre. No shame.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: Socrates on November 20, 2013, 01:55:58 PM
Whilst sad, isn't sadder talking about those people on another forum?  ;) ;D

Although not as sad as using smilies, obviously.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: The Hurricane on November 20, 2013, 02:12:24 PM
Whilst sad, isn't sadder talking about those people on another forum?  ;) ;D

Although not as sad as using smilies, obviously.

I'll tweet Eddie to check  ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: AO88 on November 20, 2013, 02:27:58 PM
Only worth bothering for the main event now Murray has been pulled.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: Driscoll on November 20, 2013, 05:34:34 PM
Andy Lee.... So Adam Booth will be there???


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on November 20, 2013, 07:29:57 PM
Andy Lee.... So Adam Booth will be there???

...in Groves corner to...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: Goldenboy87 on November 20, 2013, 08:31:58 PM
I'm going to the fight Saturday and not complaining about the card. I have been to some shockers, Calzaghe v Manfredo (unfortunately someone with no knowledge bought me tickets for this mismatch) springs to mind as being as dull as it gets for a supposed big fight!

Some really good young fighters in decent fights and then what should be a cracking main event!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: Tito on November 20, 2013, 09:40:06 PM
There is a lot of decent fighters on this show on this card but there opposition is pretty woeful. I would rather see 4 competitive fights than 8 easy fights for the home fighters.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: Buckers on November 20, 2013, 10:52:53 PM
Luke Blackledge to fight Rocky Fielding now for the commonwealth strap


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: smoky on November 21, 2013, 08:17:44 PM
Does anyone know roughly what time Froch and Groves will be in the ring?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: 7777 on November 21, 2013, 08:47:22 PM
Does anyone know roughly what time Froch and Groves will be in the ring?

Just says before 11 on the Matchroom website mate


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: jimjack on November 21, 2013, 08:54:03 PM
Just says before 11 on the Matchroom website mate

Could well be out by 5 past then.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: jorg21 on November 21, 2013, 09:00:38 PM
Could well be out by 5 past then.

Don't think Groves will make that easy work of it.  ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: jimjack on November 21, 2013, 09:06:31 PM
Don't think Groves will make that easy work of it.  ;D

Haha, you must have a wind up alert on your phone!
Although I reckon froch will win, all my bets are on groves for value. Groves rd 2 ko is 100/1.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: son of bonters on November 21, 2013, 09:45:08 PM
Full running order on Matchroom.com


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 22, 2013, 01:02:34 PM
How's Froch training camp been going ? If its been solid, can't see Groves surviving. Out of his depth man v boy, won't even go the distance. He has no chin and by the sounds of things Kessler doesn't really rate Groves ( makes a lot of mistakes).

I don't care if it was a couple of years ago getting floored with 16's on you've got problems with your chin.

Hype job this fight, Froch by death.

Anderson and DeGale had him hurt, Froch will have him out.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: AO88 on November 22, 2013, 01:04:24 PM
How's Froch training camp been going ? If its been solid, can't see Groves surviving. Out of his depth man v boy, won't even go the distance. He has no chin and by the sounds of things Kessler doesn't really rate Groves ( makes a lot of mistakes).

I don't care if it was a couple of years ago getting floored with 16's on you've got problems with your chin.

Hype job this fight, Froch by death.

Anderson and DeGale had him hurt, Froch will have him out.

Froch fan now kovalev imprinted clev into the ring? ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 22, 2013, 01:12:45 PM
Froch fan now kovalev imprinted clev into the ring? ;D

It's not my fault you feel sorry for ginger kids and becoming their ring leader, I'm sure he will last a few rounds for you.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: Bolton Dave on November 22, 2013, 01:24:38 PM
Hope theres plenty in when Quigg fights, be great to build his following, the lad deserves it and would also make a fight with Frampton even bigger


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 22, 2013, 01:46:00 PM
I don't think Quigg has the intelligence at the top level Dave, I really rated and liked him. The way he fought that Cuban was terrible. Also Joe Gallagher the 'career' destroyer.

Such a shame Brian Hughes just stayed in Boxing for Quigg.

He's with the wrong guy.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: AO88 on November 22, 2013, 01:53:51 PM
Hope theres plenty in when Quigg fights, be great to build his following, the lad deserves it and would also make a fight with Frampton even bigger

Agreed, but sadly I'm not convinced there will be.

More importantly he needs to impress after last time out.

And gaz, did you not also say the clev would destroy kovalev? You picking froch has just made me more confident for groves. ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: The Hurricane on November 22, 2013, 02:02:13 PM
Agreed, but sadly I'm not convinced there will be.

More importantly he needs to impress after last time out.

Hopefully there will be as it is the chief support so hopefully the arena will be filling up by that point.  Saying that, I have seen a few people I know going who I've never even heard mention boxing before.

Agreed that he does need to show what he's all about on the big stage as his bout effectively headlining was pretty forgettable.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 22, 2013, 02:04:43 PM
Agreed, but sadly I'm not convinced there will be.

More importantly he needs to impress after last time out.

And gaz, did you not also say the clev would destroy kovalev? You picking froch has just made me more confident for groves. ;D

Cute.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: 7777 on November 23, 2013, 06:23:08 PM
Jesus wept didn't expect that from Rocky Fielding! Cracking shot to drop Blackledge


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 23, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
wtf is this - the guy is a lot smaller :D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 07:38:52 PM
Jesus wept didn't expect that from Rocky Fielding! Cracking shot to drop Blackledge

That was a cracking left hook.....   Smith v Medina fight is slowly sending me to sleep


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 07:48:18 PM
Good body shot to finish it off..... Nice 1 swifty


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 23, 2013, 07:50:28 PM
kal yafai ‏@iam_yafai 32m
Sorry to let people know im not fightimg tonight, my opponents medical was out of date, gutted aint the word!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: 7777 on November 23, 2013, 07:52:02 PM
Thought Swifty did well there cos Medina really didn't want to know

This made me laugh

http://twitter.com/FootyFaceSwap/status/404336068960718848/photo/1 (http://twitter.com/FootyFaceSwap/status/404336068960718848/photo/1)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 08:06:28 PM
All the fights so far have been poorly matched none of them have come to fight.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: presa on November 23, 2013, 08:20:01 PM
All the fights so far have been poorly matched none of them have come to fight.

Are you really that surprised?



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 08:36:43 PM
Are you really that surprised?




FW shows used to get slated because his undercards featured Africans and TBA's this lot have been just as poor. I thought James Toney in Pubfighter was ridiculous but it seems a master stroke compared to the competiveness of tonight's showing so far.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: presa on November 23, 2013, 08:43:28 PM

FW shows used to get slated because his undercards featured Africans and TBA's this lot have been just as poor. I thought James Toney in Pubfighter was ridiculous but it seems a master stroke compared to the competiveness of tonight's showing so far.

Ive shelled out £15 of my hard earned crust tonight for this shite.

Total bollocks eddie, I AM NOT paying for ppv again. In fact im going to go as far as cancelling the sports and stick with BN.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 08:48:44 PM
This may be a ludicrous rumour but a lot of people are saying Adam Booth as been sneaked into Groves changing room in a laundry trolley 2 hours ago and they are not allowing Sky's cameras into his changing room until he commences the ring walk.
I think its complete bollocks but Haye went into his room to wish him well and they pushed the camera men back and locked the door.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Wilsonhammers on November 23, 2013, 08:50:28 PM
Poor show so far


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 23, 2013, 08:50:34 PM
This may be a ludicrous rumour but a lot of people are saying Adam Booth as been sneaked into Groves changing room in a laundry trolley 2 hours ago and they are not allowing Sky's cameras into his changing room until he commences the ring walk.
I think its complete bollocks but Haye went into his room to wish him well and they pushed the camera men back and locked the door.

:D No chance surely


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 23, 2013, 08:51:20 PM
Ive shelled out £15 of my hard earned crust tonight for this shite.

Total bollocks eddie, I AM NOT paying for ppv again. In fact im going to go as far as cancelling the sports and stick with BN.



£20 for me :/ did it via the phone :(


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 08:52:27 PM
:D No chance surely

I doubt it but even if Booth appears will it matter a iota. Not a chance in hell


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: presa on November 23, 2013, 08:54:28 PM
£20 for me :/ did it via the phone :(

ooft.. thats heavy. Thats 5 pints haha


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: tweetstreet on November 23, 2013, 09:34:32 PM
I don't know why Quigg keeps saying he doesnt feel like a world champ until he wins tonight....

He's not a world champ even if he wins Rigondeaux is the Champ, he's fighting for No1 contender not the title.

Joke titles really grinds my gears


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mooreman on November 23, 2013, 09:41:25 PM
I don't know why Quigg keeps saying he doesnt feel like a world champ until he wins tonight....

He's not a world champ even if he wins Rigondeaux is the Champ, he's fighting for No1 contender not the title.

Joke titles really grinds my gears

IQ

This is embarassing


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mooreman on November 23, 2013, 09:49:28 PM
Absolute farce.............. World title my hole.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 09:50:43 PM
Absolute farce.............. World title my hole.

  I am still waiting for a good fight!!  i do hope the main bill is not as 1 sided as the rest have been.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 09:56:35 PM
It as been a terrible night of Boxing so far this guy Silva is ranked 84th in the world and 3rd best Argentinian at that weight and he is fighting for a world title. Quigg says he is making a statement he isn't just giving himself a false sense of security.
Gallagher talks shite Frampton brings nothing to the table .....try 8000 fans every time he fights not 800 in Bury community centre. Quigg is a paper champion go beat Rigo before you call yourself a proper champion. It makes me laugh a fighter as a world title and suddenly they are a big draw your F*ck all when your earning peanuts compared to your rival. I would love to know how much this offer is to Frampton its probably less than he earned for the Parodi fight.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 10:20:11 PM
lol  Amir Khan......   " Naz used to fill out arena's just like i do"       hahahahahaahaha


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 10:34:56 PM
lol  Amir Khan......   " Naz used to fill out arena's just like i do"       hahahahahaahaha

 Naz used to fill out arena's just like i do ......sure he said WE DO as in him, Haye, Froch so on. Khan as always sold a decent amount of tickets not a huge draw he thinks he is but he is making good money out of the sport


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 10:40:31 PM
Naz used to fill out arena's just like i do ......sure he said WE DO as in him, Haye, Froch so on. Khan as always sold a decent amount of tickets not a huge draw he thinks he is but he is making good money out of the sport

   i took it as the royal WE.  Galagher said WE whan talking about Quigg. Also most people were at Naz fights to see him win.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 10:41:25 PM
Groves looks very focused no signs of nerves or anything these pre ring walk clips with them both talking are pretty good. Froch choosing a Manchester band for his ring walk how apt trying to milk the crowd  ;D. Froch looks very serious looks like he wants to murder GG not fight him. Groves may be on to a bad thing here Froch may go for him quickly


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 10:44:31 PM
Groves looks very focused no signs of nerves or anything these pre ring walk clips with them both talking are pretty good. Froch choosing a Manchester band for his ring walk how apt trying to milk the crowd  ;D. Froch looks very serious looks like he wants to murder GG not fight him. Groves may be on to a bad thing here Froch may go for him quickly

   They both look the part,,, fingers crossed for a gr8 fight


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 10:48:35 PM
John McDonald the aldi version of Michael Buffer stick to Darts you c**t


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Bristol on November 23, 2013, 10:51:33 PM
holy F*ck


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 10:52:17 PM
wow!!!

  10 - 08   Groves


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 10:53:56 PM
Froch got rocked to his boots no flash knocked down that his legs were like spaghetti if there was another minute left he would have been a goner


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 10:55:26 PM
Got Groves up by 3 points here after 2 rounds 20-17


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 10:56:23 PM
Got Groves up by 3 points here after 2 rounds 20-17

agreed!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 23, 2013, 10:57:03 PM
If Froch gets knocked out can he recover from this mentally?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 23, 2013, 10:59:28 PM
Wow - i never thought i'd ever see froch do the khan dance


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Hitman on November 23, 2013, 11:00:06 PM
Great start by Groves

Fair play to him


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 11:00:42 PM
1st 3 rounds to Groves for me


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 23, 2013, 11:01:28 PM
3-0 Groves


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 11:04:22 PM
Groves is upped his game here he is bossing him Froch is eating right hands for fun landing clean almost for fun Froch landing a few himself but Groves is looking stronger. Groves 40-35 after 4 rounds another 10-9 round Froch just doing a few seconds bursts he is getting taught a lesson here not won a round so far.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 11:06:12 PM
Groves is upped his game here he is bossing him Froch is eating right hands for fun landing clean almost for fun Froch landing a few himself but Groves is looking stronger. Groves 40-35 after 4 rounds another 10-9 round Froch just doing a few seconds bursts he is getting taught a lesson here not won a round so far.
same score here


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 23, 2013, 11:06:33 PM
four up


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 11:08:36 PM
Gave Carl that round


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 11:10:12 PM
Yeah gave Carl the 5th but not by much very scrappy round 49-45 Groves


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Fightin Irish on November 23, 2013, 11:10:32 PM
Don't think even George's biggest fans expected this !!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Bristol on November 23, 2013, 11:11:16 PM
Out muscled out skilled this is done..........


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Hitman on November 23, 2013, 11:11:25 PM
Groves beating Carl on every level

Very impressed


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 11:12:45 PM
another gr8 round for George


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 23, 2013, 11:14:30 PM
even that round for me some cracking counters from Groves


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 11:15:00 PM
I thought Froch was gone then hit with some monster shots clean and how he stayed up is beyond me got to give that round to Groves even though Froch landed a few 59-54 groves


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 11:16:33 PM
Round 6 even round 10-10 69-64 Groves


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Hitman on November 23, 2013, 11:17:17 PM
I would go as far as to say Groves is doing a better job on Froch than Ward did through 7 rounds

Impressed


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 11:21:44 PM
6  -  1   1 even


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 11:23:36 PM
That is disgusting worse decision ever


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Stevie J on November 23, 2013, 11:23:51 PM
TOTAL JOKE!!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: pogo on November 23, 2013, 11:24:41 PM
Disgusting stoppage, Groves was robbed.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 11:24:44 PM
That is disgusting worse decision ever

   disgusting!!!!! outragous!!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Stevie J on November 23, 2013, 11:24:49 PM
f***ing FUMING... ANOTHER SHITE RESULT ON A HEARN CARD


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The Flaccid Member on November 23, 2013, 11:25:17 PM
Fk off!!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Stevie J on November 23, 2013, 11:25:42 PM
76/75 2 JUDGES... LOL


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 23, 2013, 11:26:26 PM
thats a f***ing fix


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: dmp on November 23, 2013, 11:26:37 PM
fk frock


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 23, 2013, 11:26:55 PM
Absolute best as F*ck promotion. That's pathetic. George Groves you took him to school


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 11:27:04 PM
  y the phuck didnt he stop carl in the first ?  the referee's a wanker   just repeating the chants but i dont disagree!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: somewares on November 23, 2013, 11:27:12 PM
Fcuk off... I'm done with boxing.... That was yet another robbery......  

Sorry but enough is enough, Froch was loosing that fight so badly... Cheating with hitting after the break etc....  He was getting owned, but they always protect the title holder... IE BURNS fight.




Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: pogo on November 23, 2013, 11:27:25 PM
76/75 2 JUDGES... LOL

Makes one wonder what fight they were watching, certainly not the fight I saw.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 23, 2013, 11:27:47 PM
utter disgrace total fix


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Stevie J on November 23, 2013, 11:28:01 PM
thats a f***ing fix

very posssible...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 23, 2013, 11:28:12 PM
Fast car Eddie saving his boyfriends titles.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Hitman on November 23, 2013, 11:28:19 PM
Appauling reffering by Foster

Froch had Groves in trouble but not in a million years was that a stoppage


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 23, 2013, 11:28:27 PM
DIRTY CHEATING BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 23, 2013, 11:29:38 PM
Carl froch grade A classless twat, the arena is all groves now.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: GOD on November 23, 2013, 11:30:13 PM
Absolutely disgusting!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Stevie J on November 23, 2013, 11:30:22 PM
no excuses for this.... Froch totally outlassed.

The watching public ripped off again


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 11:31:29 PM
Glen agreed with us...... big time!!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 11:32:27 PM
There is no way fighters will want to appear on Matchroom shows anymore its getting beyond a joke now refs and judges saving fighters from defeat. Groves come into booing and leaves to cheers and Froch stood there as though he is a deserving winner. I'm disgusted Froch should retire and BBBC need to look at this so do the IBF shocking reffing


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 23, 2013, 11:32:51 PM
Takes 21,000 people to tell Froch maybe he should shake Groves hand afterall, quick somebody plug in the Froch/Hearn PR machine  //


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 23, 2013, 11:33:09 PM
wow - groves was amazing. Totally outclassed froch.

Looks like the ref could of been paid off.

Froch should forget ward now and have a trilogy with groves.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 23, 2013, 11:34:14 PM
Carl froch grade A classless twat, the arena is all groves now.

Are you going to cry Aaron? i think you're going to cry ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 11:35:15 PM
There is no way fighters will want to appear on Matchroom shows anymore its getting beyond a joke now refs and judges saving fighters from defeat. Groves come into booing and leaves to cheers and Froch stood there as though he is a deserving winner. I'm disgusted Froch should retire and BBBC need to look at this so do the IBF shocking reffing

 I am so close to walking away from boxing.... the judges cards were a dissgrace!! the ref was appauling!! at least Dana White is at the forefront at stopping it in ufc.

  p.s. Carl is now talking utter bollox he should hang his head in shame!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: somewares on November 23, 2013, 11:35:24 PM
I'm done, british boxing is at an all time low, yes we have some great fighters but we have the worlds shittest refs, judges, and most corrupt setup of all...

Froch winning that is a piss take...

F*ck this, Groves was winning that massively, Froch couldn hardly answer until that one moment....

Froch thought it was a fair enough stoppage.... goodbye.... all respect has been lost...  You got knocked down by as you say a "kid"   you got schooled by a "kid"

lol


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mooreman on November 23, 2013, 11:35:37 PM
Complete FIX

DISGUSTED and tired of this...

Germany my bollox, there are more titles and decisions handed to british money spinners than anywhere in the world.

COWARDS


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 23, 2013, 11:36:07 PM
Carl the cock Froch.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 23, 2013, 11:36:53 PM
Utter disgrace Froch is there to be stopped


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 23, 2013, 11:37:30 PM
cant believe froch is still spinning this bullshit!!!!!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 11:39:31 PM
wow....Carl ...stop ur making an ass of yourelf!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Spice on November 23, 2013, 11:40:14 PM
Froch shut up you complete and utter twat

St Geroge was stunning

Froch gf yourself you big headed outclassed prick


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Stevie J on November 23, 2013, 11:40:43 PM
A load of tosh from Froch talk about losing your fan base and Eddie spinning everything again...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 23, 2013, 11:40:57 PM
Froch is a bellend should have been stopped in the first round IMO


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 23, 2013, 11:42:32 PM
Forch has just made a tit of himself


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mooreman on November 23, 2013, 11:42:46 PM
Highly embarrassed for all involved


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: somewares on November 23, 2013, 11:43:25 PM
as Froch says there's a handful of people booing tonight...

Sounds like a whole stadium to me, stop talking shit, stop living the lie that the ref made the right decision, no one believes it.

Good bye boxing, its more corrupt than parliament......

Grooves was so f***ing good tonight, better than Ward...

Night night :)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mulac on November 23, 2013, 11:43:40 PM
was a fix
was a great fight
was a terribile stoppage
but froch would of stopped him IMO


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 11:43:43 PM
next up the big analysis...  this should be interesting!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 23, 2013, 11:44:13 PM
A star is born today. I think that fight damaged froch more than the ward loss did.

Froch should not have said all those things at the ringside interview. His image has not improved as a result.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Hitman on November 23, 2013, 11:45:23 PM
A star is born today. I think that fight damaged froch more than the ward loss did.

Froch should not have said all those things at the ringside interview. His image has not improved as a result.

Agreed


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: CSCS on November 23, 2013, 11:45:44 PM
Stopped it way too early.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 23, 2013, 11:45:55 PM
A star is born today. I think that fight damaged froch more than the ward loss did.

Froch should not have said all those things at the ringside interview. His image has not improved as a result.

He's done if its not Groves that does him it will be someone else he was gone in the first round.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 23, 2013, 11:46:40 PM
disgrace

it just makes me think hearn has some input to all of this

its his shows always where the controversy is. He has froch as a cash cow - losing tonight was a big financial loss for matchroom

disgusting - red should rename the froch forum for the post fight talk alone...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: liamo on November 23, 2013, 11:47:17 PM
Froch is a C**t


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 23, 2013, 11:47:42 PM
Matchroom, the most corrupt promoters in boxing.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: one more round on November 23, 2013, 11:47:48 PM
Never liked froch or groves but F*ck me il be following groves now. Froch is a tit. Should not of been stopped. Old man v a man


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 23, 2013, 11:50:34 PM
Matchroom, the most corrupt promoters in boxing.

yup


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: one more round on November 23, 2013, 11:51:13 PM
Eddie has a hard decision 2make now does he cash in on the rematch or does he give carl a few easy fights coz if the rematch happens it's the end of hearns main man!! ( hearn needs froch for sky)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 23, 2013, 11:51:46 PM
That's what happens when you let a Boxing promotional company have a monopoly with a major TV company interests need protecting and tonight a interest was protected curtorsy of the ref who must be investigated. I honestly feel like crying for Groves robbery is a understatement as soon as the fans started booing Foster looked flustered and he knew it was to soon.
Hearn won't make a rematch Froch should retire he was getting a beatdown there the fans cheered him in and booed everything he said after the fight. Groves looks devastated and so he should be there is no way Matchroom will ever get big names to fight in the UK they can see the picture that as developed this past year its shocking officials who must be bent.
It may be the end of Matchroom and Froch tonight no way will they keep on with Sky if they can't make big fights with fighters overseas and you won't see many here to get robbed.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: somewares on November 23, 2013, 11:51:50 PM
Who is paying the wage cheque of the refs, and judges tonight?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 23, 2013, 11:52:40 PM
Groves punched froch so hard in the face - froch had forgotten he got knocked down. What a shot.

You cant really blame the best in the world not wanting to fight in the uk. I actually can understand why fighters like mayweather, hopkins and ward are unlikely to ever take on this 5 man challenge (boxer, Ref, and 3 Judges). Its a big advantage to give away for very little financial reward.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 23, 2013, 11:54:13 PM
Howard Foster is in a terrible position, he's almost stood behind him. How can he judge if Groves is in control


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Don't lose your Ed on November 23, 2013, 11:54:32 PM
I didn't catch the post fight interview, what did Froch say to piss people off so much?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Hitman on November 23, 2013, 11:55:11 PM
Eddie has a hard decision 2make now does he cash in on the rematch or does he give carl a few easy fights coz if the rematch happens it's the end of hearns main man!! ( hearn needs froch for sky)

And how do you work that out after tonight?

Groves could easily sell PPV after tonight


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 23, 2013, 11:58:34 PM
now ive heard the B.B.B.C. im even more wound up.   

  Enough for me.... Ive said all im gonna say.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 23, 2013, 11:59:15 PM
Watching those highlights Froch should pack it in he surely can't take many more nights like that sounded like a drunk man at the post fight interview there. If he got back in there with Ward he'll get stopped the relexs are starting to go.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 23, 2013, 11:59:41 PM
GROVES BACKED UP EVERYTHING HE SAID BEFORE THIS FIGHT!!!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: GOD on November 24, 2013, 12:00:15 AM
I think that this is a clear sign that Froch should retire...Froch was getting a pasting from a guy that isn't near elite level...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Boxingfan1991 on November 24, 2013, 12:00:43 AM
Horrendous stoppage.

I do think froch may well have stopped him after that but that was far too early tonight.

Groves has won me over tonight.

The booing for froch was uncalled for in my opinion. Yes he sounded a plank afterwards but It's not his decision to stop it and he's given us many nights of great entertainment like tonight.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mooreman on November 24, 2013, 12:00:59 AM
And how do you work that out after tonight?

Groves could easily sell PPV after tonight

Dont think Groves would hop on Hearns bandwagon longterm.... America Looms.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: one more round on November 24, 2013, 12:01:26 AM
Because froch is hearns main man! He would after spend a lot of money to build groves up in the us to get the return to match what he could get from giving froch a few more easier fights or the ward fight. Froch is hearns and sky's main man. Me personally he should back groves but boxing over the last 9/12 months has be come a joke


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: one more round on November 24, 2013, 12:02:32 AM
I think that this is a clear sign that Froch should retire...Froch was getting a pasting from a guy that isn't near elite level...

Agree


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The Flaccid Member on November 24, 2013, 12:03:02 AM
Whatever happens now, when looking at Carl's legacy people will hold this against him unless of course a rematch puts everything right


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: somewares on November 24, 2013, 12:03:15 AM
Total joke...

nothing more than a conspiracy.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: pogo on November 24, 2013, 12:03:28 AM
Groves punched froch so hard in the face - froch had forgotten he got knocked down. What a shot.

You cant really blame the best in the world not wanting to fight in the uk. I actually can understand why fighters like mayweather, hopkins and ward are unlikely to ever take on this 5 man challenge (boxer, Ref, and 3 Judges). Its a big advantage to give away for very little financial reward.


I was thinking having watched that shot again that would have knocked most fighters spark out cold, it was a hell of a shot clean on the button. God knows how Froch managed to drag himself back up from that, hell of a chin.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 24, 2013, 12:05:09 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZy3tC7IcAEDsJ0.jpg:large)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: stinka on November 24, 2013, 12:06:08 AM
I'm actually livid, had £20 on groves to win Ko at 11-1 at 11pm today

That's the worst stoppage I've seen for a while

Froch, when he actually comes around and stops tripping will watch the fight and post fight interview, and probably commit suicide at the absolute fkn delusional arrogance of his comments

What a cnt


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: one more round on November 24, 2013, 12:06:14 AM
now ive heard the B.B.B.C. im even more wound up.   

  Enough for me.... Ive said all im gonna say.

Yep me to. I know why people follow ufc. Wat a joke


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: somewares on November 24, 2013, 12:08:42 AM
Do the promoters pay the refs and judges wages?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 12:09:42 AM
Lot of misdirected negativity towards Carl... think everyone needs to calm down.

If anybody truly believes Carl is part of a big screw job conspiracy with referee Howard Foster to ensure he wins then you're way off the mark.

In typical Carl Froch fashion he was taking control of the fight late with his dog with a bone mentality, Groves was getting hurt. This fight wasn't a set in stone Groves points victory there was still nearly 10 minutes of probably Carl's best work to go...

Referee stopped it not Carl, Carl asked for the rematch himself... calm down.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 12:10:32 AM
Proud to of supported groves from day one, he lost the battle but won the war.


Never seen a change of the fans like that at a live fight before, if he had bot before George groves has arrived!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gadje on November 24, 2013, 12:11:22 AM
Terrible ending to a great fight. Groves was a revelation and backed up all he said. Well done to him. Froch may have won the fight but Groves has won over the fans with that showing.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 12:12:21 AM
Yep me to. I know why people follow ufc. Wat a joke

To watch Johnny Hendricks get robbed v GSP? With the right perspective every sport can be seen as corrupt.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Driscoll on November 24, 2013, 12:12:35 AM
Just got back from the arena and am so disappointed. I wanted Froch to win but more than anything you want two guys that are putting it all on the line to get a fair crack.

It's hard to tell from inside how it was going because everytime Carl threw a punch the crowd went mad, but I has groves well ahead and the stoppage looked like a blatant cheat.

Feel sorry for George (who may well have got KO'd later anyway) but he had that chance taken from him and with it his unbeaten record.

Don't think il be forking out for any Matchroom shows again.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: trixt on November 24, 2013, 12:13:44 AM
Lot of misdirected negativity towards Carl... think everyone needs to calm down.

If anybody truly believes Carl is part of a big screw job conspiracy with referee Howard Foster to ensure he wins then you're way off the mark.

In typical Carl Froch fashion he was taking control of the fight late with his dog with a bone mentality, Groves was getting hurt. This fight wasn't a set in stone Groves points victory there was still nearly 10 minutes of probably Carl's best work to go...

Referee stopped it not Carl, Carl asked for the rematch himself... calm down.

this. Talking with sense and not emotion.

Groves got hit with 2 big shots in that flurry and his head snapped backwards. Yes in the scheme of things and the way the fight was going - the stoppage looks premature. But his eyes looked gone to me and I think a few more digs would have brought the stoppage anyway. In hindsight the ref could well have helped George from suffering damage. We will never know.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: G-man on November 24, 2013, 12:13:57 AM
Froch definitely laboured the pre fight animosity in his post fight interview - no need. He was right in saying he shouldn't be held accountable for the refereeing though. Some of what he said made sense and i'm not sure he warranted the booing before he'd even spoke.

I can understand why everyone is pissed off and it's a shame cos no one has actually mentioned what a good fight it was!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 24, 2013, 12:14:57 AM
froch just one round down too?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: pogo on November 24, 2013, 12:15:25 AM
At least the ridiculous stoppage has taken the focus off  the corrupt scorecards.

Every cloud.....


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 24, 2013, 12:16:59 AM
Very disappointed at the end to fantastic fight.

If Carl is happy with that win he shouldn't be and the crowd let him know....I also toothy his behaviour after was poor and so did the crowd.

As it happens I think he would of won had the ref let it carry on. Still this will do George more good than Carl even with the win for Carl.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 12:17:48 AM
Reports that Froch has a broken jaw and is off to hospital. Now I've calmed down I think Carl should retire the reflexes have gone and he took way to many shots and he was gone in the first round legs everywhere. He's given us all some great nights but for me Groves was brilliant but Froch has slowed and he's taking to many big shots.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 24, 2013, 12:19:19 AM
Anyone else heard Adam Booth was having a huge argument with Eddie Hearn and Adam Smith who tried to tell him the stoppage was fair. Booth in tears apparently and Hearn was getting heckled leaving ringside surrounded by security


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Chris on November 24, 2013, 12:19:58 AM
Yes I think the ref shouldn't have stopped it then, but...

Froch was starting to wear George down in those last 3 rounds, George had let his game plan slip, maybe had given too much in the earlier rounds, and Carl was hurting him and rocking him, and George's defence wasn't as good as it was earlier.

Around the 7th onwards I could slowly see Carl starting to turn the tide, based on his chin and stamina. Like the commentators on Sky said - maybe it was George's inexperience at the highest level that cost him, as in the earlier rounds when Carl got in close and was landing, George would lock him up and get out of there, which was the right thing to do. Towards the end of the fight he tried to fight fire with fire, which was ultimately his downfall.

I thought the Sky commentators were a bit OTT about how well George was doing, as in the end although I did want George to win based on what he had done in the early rounds, I could still see a late Froch stoppage happening. Groves should definitely have been well in front on points though.

There should definitely be a rematch, and it sounds like there will be. Carl will obviously give him more respect next time, and George would need to be more disciplined throughout. My initial thought is the same result, but George obviously has a decent chance.

Everyone who thought Carl was going to walk through him easily, saying it was man vs boy (me included), has to give Groves huge respect after that performance. You have to give it to George, he said he had a game plan, said he knew he could win, and for most of the fight it looked like he was doing exactly what he said he would. I just wish in the 7th-9th round we'd have seen George land one more big shot and put Carl down again, then it would have been interesting..

Cracking fight, so can't wait for a possible rematch!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: one more round on November 24, 2013, 12:20:07 AM
To watch Johnny Hendricks get robbed v GSP? With the right perspective every sport can be seen as corrupt.

They can yes but boxing is becoming a joke. The pick and choice who they want to fight then like tonight when this go wrong they have the support of the ref/judges because at the end of the day the fighters/promoters pay the wages (refs/judges)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 12:20:33 AM
Not froch's fault, and all the blame on him is unfair. He stood and took a massive twatting for the whole fight. The ref made a human mistake, end of story... However Froch will not fight again because he knows he's done. Groves will dismantle him in a rematch and may hurt him badly, he got involved in a fight after realising he could hurt Carl so badly tonite which he won't do again.
All avatar bets should be void btw.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 12:22:13 AM
Not froch's fault, and all the blame on him is unfair. He stood and took a massive twatting for the whole fight. The ref made a human mistake, end of story... However Froch will not fight again because he knows he's done. Groves will dismantle him in a rematch and may hurt him badly, he got involved in a fight after realising he could hurt Carl so badly tonite which he won't do again.
All avatar bets should be void btw.


Spot on. Froch is done and I honestly thank him for great nights but he needs to retire.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: King Cotto on November 24, 2013, 12:22:47 AM
Very disappointed at the end to fantastic fight.

If Carl is happy with that win he shouldn't be and the crowd let him know....I also toothy his behaviour after was poor and so did the crowd.

As it happens I think he would of won had the ref let it carry on. Still this will do George more good than Carl even with the win for Carl.

this sums it up, more or less.

only to add that Groves will make a classier champ than Froch ever was. Can't wait for Groves vs Ward maybe in two years time.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 12:23:06 AM
this. Talking with sense and not emotion.

Groves got hit with 2 big shots in that flurry and his head snapped backwards. Yes in the scheme of things and the way the fight was going - the stoppage looks premature. But his eyes looked gone to me and I think a few more digs would have brought the stoppage anyway. In hindsight the ref could well have helped George from suffering damage. We will never know.

By which Logic Carl shouldn't have seen the  second rd.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: King Cotto on November 24, 2013, 12:24:11 AM
Not froch's fault, and all the blame on him is unfair. He stood and took a massive twatting for the whole fight. The ref made a human mistake, end of story... However Froch will not fight again because he knows he's done. Groves will dismantle him in a rematch and may hurt him badly, he got involved in a fight after realising he could hurt Carl so badly tonite which he won't do again.
All avatar bets should be void btw.


yep, I agree with this one too. spot on... apart from the blame thing. Carl can be blamed for being a bit of a twit.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 24, 2013, 12:24:51 AM
At least the ridiculous stoppage has taken the focus off  the corrupt scorecards.

Every cloud.....

not sure why people are overlooking this. Hearn is a snake


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 12:27:15 AM
They can yes but boxing is becoming a joke. The pick and choice who they want to fight then like tonight when this go wrong they have the support of the ref/judges because at the end of the day the fighters/promoters pay the wages (refs/judges)

Carl Froch doesn't pick and choose his opposition and if he does it usually the best opponent available. Things have gone wrong for Carl in his fights on numerous occasion but he finds a way to win just like he was doing tonight and would have done in my opinion. I don't believe for one second he wants, needs or asks for anybody's backhand help.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 12:27:29 AM
The next person that writes about groves maybe looking like he may go etc... Please watch him push that big fat fuckin ref off him like an empty shell suit.
Not carls fault, not really the refs fault (he believed what he read about the fight), but a joke all the same and a very bad decision.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The Flaccid Member on November 24, 2013, 12:28:56 AM
Can George still be called chinny?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 12:29:03 AM
Carl Froch doesn't pick and choose his opposition and if he does it usually the best opponent available. Things have gone wrong for Carl in his fights on numerous occasion but he finds a way to win just like he was doing tonight and would have done in my opinion. I don't believe for one second he wants, needs or asks for anybody's backhand help.

I agree with the fact he had nothing to do with the decision.
However he was, would have, and will again be beaten convincingly by groves.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: one more round on November 24, 2013, 12:30:26 AM
Carl Froch doesn't pick and choose his opposition and if he does it usually the best opponent available. Things have gone wrong for Carl in his fights on numerous occasion but he finds a way to win just like he was doing tonight and would have done in my opinion. I don't believe for one second he wants, needs or asks for anybody's backhand help.

Ok I'm not sayin he asked the ref to help him but come on that was a soft stoppage, if it was the 9th wen froch got stopped do you really think the ref would of been so quick to jump in?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 24, 2013, 12:30:56 AM
The next person that writes about groves maybe looking like he may go etc... Please watch him push that big fat fuckin ref off him like an empty shell suit.

hahaha thanks for that  ;D (i smiled but still fuming whilst typing)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: one more round on November 24, 2013, 12:32:56 AM
Can George still be called chinny?


Not if carl punishes as hard as carl said he did before the fight, ud have to say its groves has the harder chin of the to goin off pre fight interviews were carl said groves can't punch+ when he hits groves with one clean shot it's night over


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 24, 2013, 12:33:52 AM
Theres alot of mystic megs around boxing who know groves would be stopped 10s after being wobbled. In football now, when the striker is one on one with the keeper we should just award a goal cos hes going to score anyway right


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 12:34:03 AM
I agree with the fact he had nothing to do with the decision.
However he was, would have, and will again be beaten convincingly by groves.

Your right in what you say Groves won't be as daft as to have any macho bullshit rounds next time out and will just purely box for 12 rounds the worry is the scoring I only had George dropping one round at the time of the stoppage yet the judges had it almost even against a fighter he couldn't miss.

Looking back at it Carl's done his bit and I hope he's made his money because he's given us some fantastic nights but he's done and its only a matter of time before he's stopped.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 12:34:10 AM
Can George still be called chinny?


Only by the ref.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 12:34:47 AM
I agree with the fact he had nothing to do with the decision.
However he was, would have, and will again be beaten convincingly by groves.

He was - No he wasn't "by logic" he lost to Jermain Taylor.

Would have - No, he was taking control of the fight and landing his best work of the night. It was clear as day the momentum was shifting and clear as day Groves was starting to feel the punishment with 10 minutes left of fighting.

Will again - I'd be prepared to challenge you to an Avatar/name change (what evers your poison) bet right now that Carl would beat George in a rematch.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mooreman on November 24, 2013, 12:35:01 AM
Anyone else heard Adam Booth was having a huge argument with Eddie Hearn and Adam Smith who tried to tell him the stoppage was fair. Booth in tears apparently and Hearn was getting heckled leaving ringside surrounded by security

Really???


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 12:36:46 AM
Seen Booth in Groves dressing room at the end and they were chatting away.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: deck on November 24, 2013, 12:37:00 AM
Yes I think the ref shouldn't have stopped it then, but...

Froch was starting to wear George down in those last 3 rounds, George had let his game plan slip, maybe had given too much in the earlier rounds, and Carl was hurting him and rocking him, and George's defence wasn't as good as it was earlier.

Around the 7th onwards I could slowly see Carl starting to turn the tide, based on his chin and stamina. Like the commentators on Sky said - maybe it was George's inexperience at the highest level that cost him, as in the earlier rounds when Carl got in close and was landing, George would lock him up and get out of there, which was the right thing to do. Towards the end of the fight he tried to fight fire with fire, which was ultimately his downfall.

I thought the Sky commentators were a bit OTT about how well George was doing, as in the end although I did want George to win based on what he had done in the early rounds, I could still see a late Froch stoppage happening. Groves should definitely have been well in front on points though.

There should definitely be a rematch, and it sounds like there will be. Carl will obviously give him more respect next time, and George would need to be more disciplined throughout. My initial thought is the same result, but George obviously has a decent chance.

Everyone who thought Carl was going to walk through him easily, saying it was man vs boy (me included), has to give Groves huge respect after that performance. You have to give it to George, he said he had a game plan, said he knew he could win, and for most of the fight it looked like he was doing exactly what he said he would. I just wish in the 7th-9th round we'd have seen George land one more big shot and put Carl down again, then it would have been interesting..

Cracking fight, so can't wait for a possible rematch!

Great post Chris.  I agree. People are disappointed but are misdirecting it at Carl, who had no hand in the referee or judges decisions.

It was a brilliant, brutal fight for 9 rounds and while George had a great start I too think the Sky commetary was over the top. George dropped short with some shots and a lot of Carls work was dismissed. I do think Groves was ahead, showed a great chin himself and fought a very good fight.

Over the distance I think Carl has a better engine and George can fade over the half way mark, which played a part in Carl coming back into the fight. It is a pity that the ref stepped in just a little too soon as I think it would have been hailed as a brilliant fight rather than dividing fans and being controversial.

Lets hope there is a rematch shortly and it lives up to the expectations. :)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: somewares on November 24, 2013, 12:37:07 AM
And not only that... You have to say Groves has the bigger balls....  He took the fight on after 19 fights.... fighting one of the best in his division...

Sorry but tonight has totally spoilt boxing for many people, that decision may not be Carls, fault but its the fault of boxing, I wouldn't be suprised to see Groves move to UFC after this.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Che Guevara on November 24, 2013, 12:38:03 AM
The job was in.... Hearns is a disgrace and froch is a joke. Ward ud kill him.... again. Fact


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 12:39:14 AM
He was - No he wasn't "by logic" he lost to Jermain Taylor.

Would have - No, he was taking control of the fight and landing his best work of the night. It was clear as day the momentum was shifting and clear as day Groves was starting to feel the punishment with 10 minutes left of fighting.

Will again - I'd be prepared to challenge you to an Avatar/name change (what evers your poison) bet right now that Carl would beat George in a rematch.

Are you a real person?
Read what you wrote and apologies to anyone that read it.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: CSCS on November 24, 2013, 12:39:41 AM
I don't think he is going to move to UFC suddenly mate he sounds like he loves Boxing too much to give it up.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 12:40:00 AM
Seen Booth in Groves dressing room at the end and they were chatting away.

Booth was in tears mate.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: presa on November 24, 2013, 12:40:12 AM
not sure why people are overlooking this. Hearn is a snake

eddie bow ur head in shame lad


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 24, 2013, 12:41:45 AM
Really???


They showed Groves and Booth hugging in the changing room after the fight and Booth was wiping his eyes he looked emotional. I have it on good authority Hearn wasn't leaving ringside unless he was covered in security and looked shaken up. Adam Smith is another who failed to get interviewed after the fight he as said something to Booth and he blew up at him


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 12:41:53 AM
Booth was in tears mate.

Didn't see that mate


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 12:41:56 AM
Ok I'm not sayin he asked the ref to help him but come on that was a soft stoppage, if it was the 9th wen froch got stopped do you really think the ref would of been so quick to jump in?

It was a soft stoppage no doubt about it and i think chin reputation more then anything is to blame. How ever Carl would have carried on fighting 15 more rounds if asked and would have happily carried on throwing at George with pleasure. I understand you're aggrieved by the decision all I'm calling for when i took issue with your post is an end to this UFC is faultless in it's decision making and all boxing is corrupt nonsense.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 12:42:03 AM
eddie bow ur head in shame lad

How does a snake bow it's head.... That's the question.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Blue on November 24, 2013, 12:43:19 AM
Froch lost my respect tonight, well and truly. Groves outfought him in every department, won the mind games, fans and the fight.

What a fix that howard foster is involved with this BS stoppage... And the scorecards were on for a matchroom fix also. Strange that, boxing politics eh? Groves dominated the fight. Everyone has there opinion and Groves going toe to toe wasn't the best idea as he was easily outclassing froch and didn't need to fight frochs fight. Groves had his number all night long tho.  Sorry to say froch lost my respect and probably the respect of everyone in the arena tonight. That interview after the fight was shocking, so cocky. Boxing fans saw straight through him. Immediate rematch should be ordered and i see groves taking a wide points decision if not a KO. Carl should call it a day.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 24, 2013, 12:44:03 AM
First sentence....it was definitely an early stoppage.

BUT....given the chance to land another barrage I think Froch would have finished the job anyway. George's legs had deserted him since he got nailed with that big sweeping right hand to the temple, and though he tried to fight through the fog its a fact he was getting drilled with clean shot after clean shot. Not quite enough to justify the stoppage at that point, but another barrage would have been enough and then we'd have only to discuss Froch's great comeback and Groves great performance.

Groves fought above expectation, Froch was shocked by that huge right hand in the 1st which paved the way for George to get off to a flyer. Carl had a look of shock on his face for several rounds after that, though he of course kept working and crucially made sure George was being forced to work too.

Groves expended a lot of his artillery trying to score a KO over the first half of the fight and the tide had started to turn. Then with George's movement becoming a little ragged Froch began to land and get a grasp of the fight. Controversial ending, but I don't think Groves would have survived another 10-15 seconds with Froch in that 9th without getting conclusively stopped. Think both men and the fans deserved to see that decisive finish though.

Regardless....when the dust settles, no real losers. Froch retains his title and Groves emerges with an enhanced reputation. A rematch would be absolutely massive now! Part 1 was built into a mini superfight, Part 2 would be a genuine British blockbuster on the level of Benn/Eubank/Watson et al.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: GOD on November 24, 2013, 12:44:54 AM
Its ridiculous to suggest that the premature stoppage is Carls fault. I give Carl massive respect for the heart and courage he showed tonight, but in worried about how easy he is to hit. Those shots are not good for your health and I think Froch needs to be honest with himself and realise that he has gone to the well for the last time. This was kinda like Lewis vs Klitschko where in victory you realise its time to say goodbye. Carl has money, a beautiful family and his legacy is secure...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 24, 2013, 12:45:10 AM
I actually feel angry and I've no idea why. I feel so sorry for GG. All the training, dedication, build up for that. He must feel destroyed right now


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 24, 2013, 12:45:37 AM
Nobodies blaming Carl for the stoppage, its his behavior after the bell that drew the boos towards him


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: 7777 on November 24, 2013, 12:46:12 AM
Theres alot of mystic megs around boxing who know groves would be stopped 10s after being wobbled. In football now, when the striker is one on one with the keeper we should just award a goal cos hes going to score anyway right

Not if it's Joe Allen! Nice analogy

Here is the thing re the controversy and Matchroom - they were in a win win tonight whoever won or lost, had Carl been beat they'd have got the rematch, they're gonna get the rematch now anyway so they benefit either way

As for the fight, Groves was brilliant but the tide was turning, I'd love to watch it again with the sound off cos on my tele Froch did nothing at all, I had to check he was in the ring at one point

As for the rematch, it will be interesting because I genuinely think Froch was buzzed for the first 3 or 4 rounds and I haven't seen anyone mention it, he had great powers of recovery but I don't think his head cleared till much later, that shot would have dropped a horse

I look forward to the rematch and Froch re-watching the fight and showing a bit of humility


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 12:46:26 AM
It was a soft stoppage no doubt about it and i think chin reputation more then anything is to blame. How ever Carl would have carried on fighting 15 more rounds if asked and would have happily carried on throwing at George with pleasure. I understand you're aggrieved by the decision all I'm calling for when i took issue with your post is an end to this UFC is faultless in it's decision making and all boxing is corrupt nonsense.

I honestly don't think you can tell that Carl was buzzed and the interview at the end when he was slurring like a drunk and forgot he'd been dropped heavily confirms that. No one can tell how that fight would have played out its not Carls fault the fight was stopped but he did himself no favours at the end and it didn't help he was off on one whilst punch drunk.

I honestly and I'll stick to this think Carl should retire when you watch back the highlights he can't even slip a jab his performance tonight was awful and if he got in there with Ward I'd fear for him he's simply taken to many hard shots over the years and next time out if its Groves he's taking more.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: somewares on November 24, 2013, 12:47:21 AM
I see us fans see the truth, that at least gives me some hope in a sport I enjoy,  lets hope these ridiculous decisions will make the f***ing ruling idiots see some sense.

We know who was winning, and we all know why he lost, and it was not due to Carl been better or stopping him...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 12:47:25 AM
Are you a real person?
Read what you wrote and apologies to anyone that read it.

Obviously the grievance from the soft stoppage decision has clouded your thought Jim. Much like when Lamont Peterson beat Amir Khan i remember an outlandish claim or two that night too.

I stick by everything i said in my post you've just addressed.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: pogo on November 24, 2013, 12:51:38 AM
One glimmer of light tonight, the people have a new champion. I wasnt a Groves fan before, I am now and the Saint has won over a whole nation with his display and heartbreak tonight.

I look forward to a stellar career from here on in, and cant wait to see that gold around his waist.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 24, 2013, 12:52:13 AM
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Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: dmp on November 24, 2013, 12:52:40 AM
eddie bow ur head in shame lad

pressa ur avatar was spot on well done mate props to u help was needed and it came from the ref


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 12:52:53 AM
Obviously the grievance from the soft stoppage decision has clouded your thought Jim. Much like when Lamont Peterson beat Amir Khan i remember an outlandish claim or two that night too.

I stick by everything i said in my post you've just addressed.

Who won that fight?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: tweetstreet on November 24, 2013, 12:53:05 AM
I'll throw my thoughts in (my stream dipped out for 7th rd and half of the 8th). I had Groves up by 4 or 5 points at time of stoppage and imo Froch needed to stoppage to win, regardless of what the judges cards said.

Groves fought a masterful plan those first 6 rds but as some have mentioned carl was coming on strong in the later rounds and groves was fading and diverging from the game plan which may be down to inexperience or stamina. All credit to Groves though as much as i disliked him in the build up he did redeem himself post fight. fell really sorry for him.

Froch is a proven finisher, see Taylor and Bute as prime examples when he has his opponent hurt and i do think he'd have had Groves down that round and grove would have been back up and then the ref would have stopped it with groves under a flurry of punches.

That right hand over the top of groves was beautiful tonight though and majorly highlights that low left lead issue of frochs, i've heard him mention that some sort of injury prevents him carrying it high but im not sure i believe that. anyone else confrim this?

watching the replay back it looks an extremely poor stoppage from one angle and a just about justifyable one if you see it from the refs angle as George's head is rocked and swayed by a couple of punches but in a world title fight in which he is in all eyes winning he needs to be given the benefit of the doubt. Ref's reffing on reputation a bit much like IJL with maccaranelli.

Froch has given some entertaining fights and it pains me to say i think he should look to close the book in no more than 2 fights, best case scenario is the rematch win or lose he can finish the groves chapter and retire. He won't beat Ward in a rematch ever and after groves there wouldnt be much else out there.

On a final note his missus may have a part to play in his decision, would you be happy for your partner to take punishment like that again when you've got 2 young kids at home? just seeing it from her point of view but are pride and pay worth sacrficing health and happiness?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The Flaccid Member on November 24, 2013, 12:53:52 AM
Its ridiculous to suggest that the premature stoppage is Carls fault. I give Carl massive respect for the heart and courage he showed tonight, but in worried about how easy he is to hit. Those shots are not good for your health and I think Froch needs to be honest with himself and realise that he has gone to the well for the last time. This was kinda like Lewis vs Klitschko where in victory you realise its time to say goodbye. Carl has money, a beautiful family and his legacy is secure...
His legacy will be questioned unless he points things right by way of a rematch


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: CSCS on November 24, 2013, 12:54:00 AM
Credit where credit is due Groves put on a great show of skill tonight. I nearly kecked my pants watching rd 1.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 12:54:21 AM
I honestly don't think you can tell that Carl was buzzed and the interview at the end when he was slurring like a drunk and forgot he'd been dropped heavily confirms that. No one can tell how that fight would have played out its not Carls fault the fight was stopped but he did himself no favours at the end and it didn't help he was off on one whilst punch drunk.

I honestly and I'll stick to this think Carl should retire when you watch back the highlights he can't even slip a jab his performance tonight was awful and if he got in there with Ward I'd fear for him he's simply taken to many hard shots over the years and next time out if its Groves he's taking more.

A suspected Broken Jaw will slur your speech no doubt about it.

Froch has taken excessive punishment from British level to elite level. Magee and Robin Reid were to name a couple landed more then should have been allowed so much so that Carl to the day doesn't remember the Reid fight.

Should we cancel the Rios v Manny fight tonight because Brandon completely disregards any form of defense what so ever? Had Froch been down a couple more times and looked 'out of it' then i would of been behind your opinion 100% but in typical fashion any heavy shot George landed Froch was ready to engage.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 12:55:38 AM
My original comment on Carl came from him not having the decency to man up and face George after the fight and exchange compliments, from that moment on George walked off with his arms out and was cheered and Froch bood.


Even in his post fight interview he would call George for things he has said yet was not able to give a single example, make no mistake these two still do not like each other. Every compliment he seemed to give George just seemed to be backed up by some childish moan he felt he had to get off his chest.

Groves has put a lot of egg on a lot of faces tonight and despite the result none more so than Carl Froch, George is the supposed chinny one yet It is Carl on his arse and unable to put George down at anytime.

I will give Froch his due, he took a slamming in there tonight, the most meaningful punches of most rounds were landed against him and he just about found a way to grind it out. Those saying how Groves was scared and this was man vs boy must feel pretty daft about now.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 12:56:27 AM
Who won that fight?

Groves was winning by at least 5 rounds at that point. However much like Lurky's opinion a few posts earlier i believe Carl would have won tonight via stoppage had it been allowed to continue.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: tweetstreet on November 24, 2013, 12:58:06 AM
as for those saying he forgot the knockdown id imagine large parts of fights are forgotton by fighters whether clear winner or clear loser due simply to the adrenalin flowing at max rate.

I know it's not the same but my first fight i had a month ago i came out of the ring and for a second honestly couldnt remember if i'd had the fight yet. All came back to me after but i was proper spaced out for a second and that was just the adrenalin.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 24, 2013, 12:58:57 AM
Groves was winning by at least 5 rounds at that point. However much like Lurky's opinion a few posts earlier i believe Carl would have won tonight via stoppage had it been allowed to continue.

The fan man coudve landed in the ring and delayed the fight 10 mins. If were writing endings we may as well state all possibilities  ;)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: one more round on November 24, 2013, 12:59:12 AM
 :-[
It was a soft stoppage no doubt about it and i think chin reputation more then anything is to blame. How ever Carl would have carried on fighting 15 more rounds if asked and would have happily carried on throwing at George with pleasure. I understand you're aggrieved by the decision all I'm calling for when i took issue with your post is an end to this UFC is faultless in it's decision making and all boxing is corrupt nonsense.

Ok I see I may of come across that way I'm not saying ufc is faultless. I just see boxing getting more + more about protecting a fighters 0 etc. the froch groves fight really didn't mean much to me so it's not like I'm a groves fan or froch hater it's just about boxing in general. Iv spent the last 3/4 years defending boxing against my ufc friends but recently I'm finding less +less to back it up+ tonight doesn't help. I love boxing and deep down always will. But sh#t like this don't help


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 12:59:36 AM
A suspected Broken Jaw will slur your speech no doubt about it.

Froch has taken excessive punishment from British level to elite level. Magee and Robin Reid were to name a couple landed more then should have been allowed so much so that Carl to the day doesn't remember the Reid fight.

Should we cancel the Rios v Manny fight tonight because Brandon completely disregards any form of defense what so ever? Had Froch been down a couple more times and looked 'out of it' then i would of been behind your opinion 100% but in typical fashion any heavy shot George landed Froch was ready to engage.

Sorry mate I disagree when you can't slip a double jab right hand your done. I don't think Carl did come roaring back I basically had George winning eight out of nine rounds of seven out of eight which ever way you want to call it. I agree that George had lost a slight amount of snap but during the first eight rounds he continued to wobble Carl and you could see that toward the end I suspect George would be better in a rematch and fight a tighter fight.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tyskrum on November 24, 2013, 12:59:58 AM
The stoppage was a disgrace. I had Groves up by two points when it was stopped.
I didn't know who I was cheering for before the fight, but I very quickly took Georges side once the fight was on. He deserved so much better than this poor poor poor stoppage. Disgraceful!!

Couldn't have played out any better for Eddie hearn though. It seems he can look forward to cash in big time on a rematch now.  ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 01:01:04 AM
Sorry mate I disagree when you can't slip a double jab right hand your done. I don't think Carl did come roaring back I basically had George winning eight out of nine rounds of seven out of eight which ever way you want to call it. I agree that George had lost a slight amount of snap but during the first eight rounds he continued to wobble Carl and you could see that toward the end I suspect George would be better in a rematch and fight a tighter fight.


He fought Carls type of fight for large parts and still came off best, if he fights his own and picks him off while holding back a little next time he should win convincingly.


Carl's jaw looks nasty.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 01:01:41 AM
Groves was winning by at least 5 rounds at that point. However much like Lurky's opinion a few posts earlier i believe Carl would have won tonight via stoppage had it been allowed to continue.

Not that fight... Khan v Peterson


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 01:02:31 AM
The fan man coudve landed in the ring and delayed the fight 10 mins. If were writing endings we may as well state all possibilities  ;)

It's not like I'm pulling an outrageous prediction from my rear end to save face. It was there to see that Groves was in very uncharted deep water at the time of the premature stoppage.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The Flaccid Member on November 24, 2013, 01:03:02 AM
The fan man coudve landed in the ring and delayed the fight 10 mins. If were writing endings we may as well state all possibilities  ;)
Spot on, everyone is talking about what would have happened next , it's hypothetical which is why the end is so unsatisfactory


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 24, 2013, 01:03:55 AM
A suspected Broken Jaw will slur your speech no doubt about it.

Froch has taken excessive punishment from British level to elite level. Magee and Robin Reid were to name a couple landed more then should have been allowed so much so that Carl to the day doesn't remember the Reid fight.

Should we cancel the Rios v Manny fight tonight because Brandon completely disregards any form of defense what so ever? Had Froch been down a couple more times and looked 'out of it' then i would of been behind your opinion 100% but in typical fashion any heavy shot George landed Froch was ready to engage.

   It may have been the reason behind the slurred speach....  but his words and posture and denial of the truth at the end was shameful! This, i believe, is the main feeling of animosity towards him. I wish they would allow the fighters to go back to the dressing room for a few minutes before doing interviews, sticking a camera in someones face at the end of a fight is unfair. They say things in the heat of the moment and things they may well later regret. Give them a minute alone with thier respective people to help them understand whats just happened and to calm them down.

    Great fight.... no blame or ill feeling is aimed at either fighter, only toward a very sad and odorous stoppage.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: pogo on November 24, 2013, 01:04:02 AM
The stoppage was a disgrace. I had Groves up by two points when it was stopped.
I didn't know who I was cheering for before the fight, but I very quickly took Georges side once the fight was on. He deserved so much better than this poor poor poor stoppage. Disgraceful!!

Couldn't have played out any better for Eddie hearn though. It seems he can look forward to cash in big time on a rematch now.  ;D

Wow only 2 points up for Groves, thats exceedingly generous to Froch who was schooled most of the fight.

If Carls jaw is broken I doubt if there will be a rematch either, it may be the end for Froch.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 01:04:36 AM
He fought Carls type of fight for large parts and still came off best, if he fights his own and picks him off while holding back a little next time he should win convincingly.


Carl's jaw looks nasty.

Mate I fully agree if George fights strictly to a game plan there is only one winner for me. We've both sat up and watched Carl and the bottom line when that jaws being wired or what ever does he really need to do it all again? I like the guy but as a boxer this was always going to happen he's never been that hard to hit and eventually it catches up.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 24, 2013, 01:05:42 AM
It's not like I'm pulling an outrageous prediction from my rear end to save face. It was there to see that Groves was in very uncharted deep water at the time of the premature stoppage.

One punch changes a fight completely, george couldve gone down, taken 9s and weathered the storm. He wasnt unable to continue, he was in trouble but we cant stop fights because we think something might happen, it makes a mockery of everything


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 24, 2013, 01:06:38 AM
anybody saying "i think carl would have stopped him if it continued" blah blah fckin blah... you are the same people who would have chased members off the board if they rightly told you how this fight was going to go yesterday.... so what the fck do you know? really?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 01:06:55 AM
  It may have been the reason behind the slurred speach....  but his words and posture and denial of the truth at the end was shameful! This, i believe, is the main feeling of animosity towards him. I wish they would allow the fighters to go back to the dressing room for a few minutes before doing interviews, sticking a camera in someones face at the end of a fight is unfair. They say things in the heat of the moment and things they may well later regret. Give them a minute alone with thier respective people to help them understand whats just happened and to calm them down.

    Great fight.... no blame or ill feeling is aimed at either fighter, only toward a very sad and odorous stoppage.

Agree 100%.

Criticising someone for what they say immediately after 35 minutes of taking clean punches to head is very harsh indeed.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 01:08:49 AM
Sorry mate I disagree when you can't slip a double jab right hand your done. I don't think Carl did come roaring back I basically had George winning eight out of nine rounds of seven out of eight which ever way you want to call it. I agree that George had lost a slight amount of snap but during the first eight rounds he continued to wobble Carl and you could see that toward the end I suspect George would be better in a rematch and fight a tighter fight.


Agree to disagree on this one then pal.

You defended Cleverly as still being able to cut it at world level after being hit with 90% of the shots Kovalev threw until eventually he collapsed. Should he now retire?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 01:09:32 AM
Not that fight... Khan v Peterson

Peterson by a razor thin decision i think i remember scoring it.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 24, 2013, 01:10:29 AM
anybody saying "i think carl would have stopped him if it continued" blah blah fckin blah... you are the same people who would have chased members off the board if they rightly told you how this fight was going to go yesterday.... so what the fck do you know? really?

Its perfectly fair to suggest that Froch would have finished him given that George had been wearing down for a couple rounds prior, had been nailed by a right hand to the temple that took his legs away and was being belted with some monster shots. The stoppage was premature, but its highly likely the writing was on the wall. That doesn't excuse the early stoppage, but lets keep things reasonable.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 24, 2013, 01:12:03 AM
Its perfectly fair to suggest that Froch would have finished him given that George had been wearing down for a couple rounds prior, had been nailed by a right hand to the temple that took his legs away and was being belted with some monster shots. The stoppage was premature, but its highly likely the writing was on the wall. That doesn't excuse the early stoppage, but lets keep things reasonable.

By that reasoning corrales shudve been stopped against castillo


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 01:14:33 AM
By that reasoning corrales shudve been stopped against castillo

Many a referee in fairness would of called that fight being honest, it was luck more than judgement for me that seen the refere allow that to go on.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 24, 2013, 01:15:06 AM
Its perfectly fair to suggest that Froch would have finished him given that George had been wearing down for a couple rounds prior, had been nailed by a right hand to the temple that took his legs away and was being belted with some monster shots. The stoppage was premature, but its highly likely the writing was on the wall. That doesn't excuse the early stoppage, but lets keep things reasonable.

well lets see.. carl was the one who took more punishment throughout the fight .... carl was the one dumped on the seat of his arse... carl was the one seemingly carrying a broken jaw... but groves was stopped?

i cant even rationalise this bullshit. its beneath me.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 01:15:22 AM
Agree to disagree on this one then pal.

You defended Cleverly as still being able to cut it at world level after being hit with 90% of the shots Kovalev threw until eventually he collapsed. Should he now retire?

Your way off the mark and wrong there and deep down you know it. Cleverly ain't 36 and Cleverly hasn't been in the wars Froch has been in. Like it or not this was always going to happen to Carl he's simply taken to many world class shots its up to him how he wants to go out but I don't want to see the guy going out unable to slip a double jab right hand without bracing his face for impact. He's given us fantastic nights and that's what I want to remember  ;)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 24, 2013, 01:15:30 AM
By that reasoning corrales shudve been stopped against castillo

So you are saying its unrealistic or unreasonable to think that Froch was on his way to a stoppage win at the time the referee halted(prematurely as I've already stated) the fight?



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 01:16:22 AM
Its perfectly fair to suggest that Froch would have finished him given that George had been wearing down for a couple rounds prior, had been nailed by a right hand to the temple that took his legs away and was being belted with some monster shots. The stoppage was premature, but its highly likely the writing was on the wall. That doesn't excuse the early stoppage, but lets keep things reasonable.

You again miss the point IMO what if the ref had stopped it in Georges favour in the first round?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Havoc on November 24, 2013, 01:17:34 AM
Firstly.

Can't blame Carl for the stoppage. The stoppage was very premature. Granted Groves took two solid shots, he was then trying to move out of dodge, got pushed downward by Froch then the ref had him in an head lock. Groves still had his legs and his hands and he was clear headed when he told the ref to F*ck off.

Secondly. Froch was hurt a lot more than Groves consistently throughout the fight, especially after the knockdown and was given a lot of slack to carry on.

Thirdly. Groves outclassed Froch in every way tonight.

People saying Froch was getting on top? Really? He had two decent rounds out of the whole fight and even then Groves was matching him. No one can say Froch would have had him if it went on. Groves was never in any "Major" trouble, buzzed a few times granted.

Should Froch retire? May be, he was completely outclassed. He won't want the rematch with Groves, regardless of what he said. Also Andre Ward will dismantle him again.

Fact is. Froch has always been too easy to hit throughout his career. His chin and strength and strength always got him through.

Groves proved he can punch, he can box and he can take full blooded shots. The only mistake he made was to trade too much with Froch but even then he won most of the exchanges.

Froch made a right a bell end of himself with his post fight interview. For me, based on how he kept going on he knows deep down he got lucky. That interview damaged him more than a loss ever could.

I said from the start this won't be easy for Froch and Groves would cause him problems and he gave all he could handle and then some.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 01:18:03 AM
One punch changes a fight completely, george couldve gone down, taken 9s and weathered the storm. He wasnt unable to continue, he was in trouble but we cant stop fights because we think something might happen, it makes a mockery of everything

So who's wrong here then? the angry mob suggesting Groves was robbed of a world title 'win' as he was outclassing Froch? or the few like myself suggesting hang on Carl was hurting Groves pretty bad there and is a known quality finisher with his best work usually coming late on.

I'm not suggesting who cares about the stoppage being premature as it was set in stone to happen late on anyway... I'm suggesting it's my opinion Carl would have finished him off there if allowed to continue and i don't think he should be hated for what transpired.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 01:19:29 AM
Firstly.

Can't blame Carl for the stoppage. The stoppage was very premature. Granted Groves took two solid shots, he was then trying to move out of dodge, got pushed downward by Froch then the ref had him in an head lock. Groves still had his legs and his hands and he was clear headed when he told the ref to F*ck off.

Secondly. Froch was hurt a lot more than Groves consistently throughout the fight, especially after the knockdown and was given a lot of slack to carry on.

Thirdly. Groves outclassed Froch in every way tonight.

People saying Froch was getting on top? Really? He had two decent rounds out of the whole fight and even then Groves was matching him. No one can say Froch would have had him if it went on. Groves was never in any "Major" trouble, buzzed a few times granted.

Should Froch retire? May be, he was completely outclassed. He won't want the rematch with Groves, regardless of what he said. Also Andre Ward will dismantle him again.

Fact is. Froch has always been too easy to hit throughout his career. His chin and strength and strength always got him through.

Groves proved he can punch, he can box and he can take full blooded shots. The only mistake he made was to trade too much with Froch but even then he won most of the exchanges.

Froch made a right a bell end of himself with his post fight interview. For me, based on how he kept going on he knows deep down he got lucky. That interview damaged him more than a loss ever could.

I said from the start this won't be easy for Froch and Groves would cause him problems and he gave all he could handle and then some.

Great post.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: pogo on November 24, 2013, 01:20:54 AM
You again miss the point IMO what if the ref had stopped it in Georges favour in the first round?

Carl was given the opportunity to bite down on the gumshield and fight on in a much worse condition than Groves was in at the end. Groves wasnt allowed to show his true mettle, and even when the stoppage happened Carl was missing with most of the wild swings he was throwing, it looked far worse than it actually was.

I would like to  ask the ref why Groves wasnt given the same opportunity afforded to Carl, and also ask the judges what fight they were watching.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 24, 2013, 01:21:25 AM
Firstly.

Can't blame Carl for the stoppage. The stoppage was very premature. Granted Groves took two solid shots, he was then trying to move out of dodge, got pushed downward by Froch then the ref had him in an head lock. Groves still had his legs and his hands and he was clear headed when he told the ref to F*ck off.

Secondly. Froch was hurt a lot more than Groves consistently throughout the fight, especially after the knockdown and was given a lot of slack to carry on.

Thirdly. Groves outclassed Froch in every way tonight.

People saying Froch was getting on top? Really? He had two decent rounds out of the whole fight and even then Groves was matching him. No one can say Froch would have had him if it went on. Groves was never in any "Major" trouble, buzzed a few times granted.

Should Froch retire? May be, he was completely outclassed. He won't want the rematch with Groves, regardless of what he said. Also Andre Ward will dismantle him again.

Fact is. Froch has always been too easy to hit throughout his career. His chin and strength and strength always got him through.

Groves proved he can punch, he can box and he can take full blooded shots. The only mistake he made was to trade too much with Froch but even then he won most of the exchanges.

Froch made a right a bell end of himself with his post fight interview. For me, based on how he kept going on he knows deep down he got lucky. That interview damaged him more than a loss ever could.

I said from the start this won't be easy for Froch and Groves would cause him problems and he gave all he could handle and then some.

THIS!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jammidodger on November 24, 2013, 01:21:39 AM
Great post.

agreed spot on!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 01:23:58 AM
Carl was given the opportunity to bite down on the gumshield and fight on in a much worse condition than Groves was in at the end. Groves wasnt allowed to show his true mettle, and even when the stoppage happened Carl was missing with most of the wild swings he was throwing, it looked far worse than it actually was.

I would like to  ask the ref why Groves wasnt given the same opportunity afforded to Carl, and also ask the judges what fight they were watching.

That's my point mate you just went into more detail than I have the energy for right now  :)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 01:24:08 AM
Your way off the mark and wrong there and deep down you know it. Cleverly ain't 36 and Cleverly hasn't been in the wars Froch has been in. Like it or not this was always going to happen to Carl he's simply taken to many world class shots its up to him how he wants to go out but I don't want to see the guy going out unable to slip a double jab right hand without bracing his face for impact. He's given us fantastic nights and that's what I want to remember  ;)

Cleverly ain't a 4 time world champion with 11 world title fights in a row in which the majority have seen him take more then unnecessary punishment.

You like it or not... Carl could fight Bika, Stieglitz and win another world title next fight or rematch Groves and still win. He is by no means 'finished' a fighter who is finished is someone no longer able to sustain punishment and continue fighting on which is quite clearly not Carl Froch.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 01:26:26 AM
Cleverly ain't a 4 time world champion with 11 world title fights in a row in which the majority have seen him take more then unnecessary punishment.

You like it or not... Carl could fight Bika, Stieglitz and win another world title next fight or rematch Groves and still win. He is by no means 'finished' a fighter who is finished is someone no longer able to sustain punishment and continue fighting on which is quite clearly not Carl Froch.

Eh we weren't watching Cleverly we were watching Froch Vs Groves. You have your view I have mine Froch is done you don't agree that's fine.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 01:27:16 AM
Unlike the undercard, I guess the main event delivered in terms of PPV.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: wbamitch on November 24, 2013, 01:27:49 AM
I'm still so angry at the moment to put any kind of in depth comment.

All I'm going to say for now is I absolutely loved it when he landed those two right hands in the first round like he promised. I think that was my favourite moment   :D  :D


Hopefully the Manny fight can put me a bit more at ease and I'll get back to this tomorrow.  



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 01:28:16 AM
Carl was given the opportunity to bite down on the gumshield and fight on in a much worse condition than Groves was in at the end. Groves wasnt allowed to show his true mettle, and even when the stoppage happened Carl was missing with most of the wild swings he was throwing, it looked far worse than it actually was.

I would like to  ask the ref why Groves wasnt given the same opportunity afforded to Carl, and also ask the judges what fight they were watching.

Just playing devils advocate but maybe because Froch wasn't against the ropes getting his head snapped back or turning his back to avoid punishment.

Froch was dropped hard, had a wobble, held on... round finished a few seconds later.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 24, 2013, 01:29:21 AM
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Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 24, 2013, 01:29:28 AM
well lets see.. carl was the one who took more punishment throughout the fight .... carl was the one dumped on the seat of his arse... carl was the one seemingly carrying a broken jaw... but groves was stopped?

i cant even rationalise this bullshit. its beneath me.

Look....IT WAS AN EARLY STOPPAGE!

But when all is said and done......Froch was the fighter dishing out the punishment in the 9th round and that is a stone cold FACT.

I don't get all the OTT animosity aimed towards Froch or anyone who dares express an opinion that a more decisive finish was on the way. To say that doesn't diminish Groves performance in any way, shape or form. Some of you are very disappointed and I get that. But keeping it reasonable, its perfectly fair to say Froch looked to be on the verge of the stoppage before the referee dived in a few seconds and probably 2-4 clean punches early.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 24, 2013, 01:30:57 AM
Many a referee in fairness would of called that fight being honest, it was luck more than judgement for me that seen the refere allow that to go on.

Then many a referee wouldve been wronged because Diego proved to the world he was able to continue and win the fight. I know its not as black and white as that, but Groves was never allowed to prove he was unable to continue and arguing against that by saying 'Carl wouldve of knocked him out in 10s anyway so whilst being an early stoppage it only prevented the inevitable' is bollox because nobody knows what wouldve happened


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 24, 2013, 01:32:04 AM
Cleverly ain't a 4 time world champion with 11 world title fights in a row in which the majority have seen him take more then unnecessary punishment.

You like it or not... Carl could fight Bika, Stieglitz and win another world title next fight or rematch Groves and still win. He is by no means 'finished' a fighter who is finished is someone no longer able to sustain punishment and continue fighting on which is quite clearly not Carl Froch.

Froch learnt a lesson tonight you leave your defence wide open you will get caught and hurt and tonight for the first time he looked vulnerable. GG boxed beyond what we all expected he was getting tired but Froch wasn't swarming him with shots even in the last round GG still was fighting back. The stoppage was terrible if it had been relentless flush shots for another 15 seconds then its fair enough but the truth is the ref as got a reputation for panicking when blood or a fighter looks to be in trouble and he called it wrong and it was a terrible way for the fight to end.
I still believe Sky/Matchroom are gaining a terrible reputation for these big fights to go there way. There is no way any top fighter will fight here on Sky they are on a loser from the off.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Havoc on November 24, 2013, 01:32:13 AM
Cleverly ain't a 4 time world champion with 11 world title fights in a row in which the majority have seen him take more then unnecessary punishment.

You like it or not... Carl could fight Bika, Stieglitz and win another world title next fight or rematch Groves and still win. He is by no means 'finished' a fighter who is finished is someone no longer able to sustain punishment and continue fighting on which is quite clearly not Carl Froch.

Carl took a pasting tonight and when have you ever seen him been knocked down like that?

He was slow, flat footed, slow and predictable.

He was outclassed. Even Andre Ward didn't outclass him that badly. I'm not saying Groves is as good as ward. I am saying Groves outclassed Froch and Froch aged in the ring right in front of us tonight. That is a dangerous combo.

He can't keep fighting like that.

As you say he has had 11 back to back world title fights. It's starting to catch up with him.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: wbamitch on November 24, 2013, 01:33:35 AM
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Thinking the same thing.


I think we should start a new thread, leave this one for this fight as i'm sure it's get plenty of legs to run.

You want to do the honours??


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 01:34:25 AM
Pacman Rios soon.... typing in here or starting new thread?

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Just thinking the same may as well couple of hours sleep and get up and watch hopefully another great night of fights


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: CSCS on November 24, 2013, 01:34:35 AM
Unlike the undercard, I guess the main event delivered in terms of PPV.


I thought the undercard was pretty good mate, the McDonnell-Inom fight was abit shit but you can only fight who you can get like.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Havoc on November 24, 2013, 01:35:18 AM
started reading this 15 mins ago with 12 pages. Up to 18 pages now lol


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 24, 2013, 01:36:05 AM
So you are saying its unrealistic or unreasonable to think that Froch was on his way to a stoppage win at the time the referee halted(prematurely as I've already stated) the fight?

No im not, im saying that justifying an early stoppage by saying he probably wouldve knocked Groves out soon after that is unacceptable as nobody knows what wouldve happened. If i had to put my mortgage on the outcome of the fight at the time Groves got hurt I wouldve said Carl by KO, but that wouldve been an educated guess, if i had to put my mortgage on the fight at the end of the 1st, I wouldve said Groves win, again an educated guess at best


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 01:36:08 AM
Carl took a pasting tonight and when have you ever seen him been knocked down like that?

He was slow, flat footed, slow and predictable.

He was outclassed. Even Andre Ward didn't outclass him that badly. I'm not saying Groves is as good as ward. I am saying Groves outclassed Froch and Froch aged in the ring right in front of us tonight. That is a dangerous combo.

He can't keep fighting like that.

As you say he has had 11 back to back world title fights. It's starting to catch up with him.

That slow, flat footed and predictable fighter was snapping the head back, dishing out hard punishment, shifting momentum in the 9th round against a man 11 years younger, faster and physically heavier.

Do we still throw him on the scrap heap?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: wbamitch on November 24, 2013, 01:37:17 AM
I thought the undercard was pretty good mate, the McDonnell-Inom fight was abit shit but you can only fight who you can get like.

I missed that one, presume Mcdonnell won, any chance you could give me a quick summary?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Fightin Irish on November 24, 2013, 01:38:43 AM
Here's my take,
Did Groves win 6 of the first 7 rnds, 100%yes
Was the stoppage premature, yes!
Would Froch have stopped him anyway if the ref hadn't intervened? 100% yes!

Great performance from Groves, but he'd not much left! Froch has to respect him after that whether he likes it or not!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 24, 2013, 01:39:49 AM
Here's my take,
Did Groves win 6 of the first 7 rnds, 100%yes
Was the stoppage premature, yes!
Would Froch have stopped him anyway if the ref hadn't intervened? 100% yes!

Great performance from Groves, but he'd not much left! Froch has to respect him after that whether he likes it or not!

No mate, 100%??  ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: pogo on November 24, 2013, 01:40:32 AM
Just playing devils advocate but maybe because Froch wasn't against the ropes getting his head snapped back or turning his back to avoid punishment.

Froch was dropped hard, had a wobble, held on... round finished a few seconds later.

Sure Groves got caught a couple of times, how many hard clean shots did he hit Froch with throughout the fight without the ref jumping in? Most of those swings in the finishing salvo missed, just like most of the punches thrown by Froch did all fight long.

This is boxing, not some non contact sport. Participants are gonna get punched occasionally. All im saying is Froch in a far worse state is allowed to carry on, George hit a couple of times is stopped. The rules are supposed to be administered fairly for both fighters. Was the ref impartial? On the evidence I witnessed tonight I'd be inclined to say no.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 01:41:23 AM
I thought the undercard was pretty good mate, the McDonnell-Inom fight was abit shit but you can only fight who you can get like.

Only seen the Quigg, Crolla and Lee fights pal, none was much to shout about.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Havoc on November 24, 2013, 01:43:34 AM
That slow, flat footed and predictable fighter was snapping the head back, dishing out hard punishment, shifting momentum in the 9th round against a man 11 years younger, faster and physically heavier.

Do we still throw him on the scrap heap?

Fair point.

However, after taking the shots he took tonight from a young fighter stepping up, can we say Froch can keep fighting like this against someone, better and already more seasoned than Groves?

Who is who there for him now? Andre Ward. That is it, there is no point fighting anyone else if he doesn't take the Groves rematch. He is coming towards the end of his career and will want to finish with a win. I will say now that Ward beats Froch convincingly.

As a fan of Froch i don't want to see an aging fighter who has had many wars take anymore punishment like we saw tonight.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Baz88 on November 24, 2013, 01:45:58 AM
Am I the only one thinking Froch looked a right plonker in the pre-fight and post-fight interviews? The man is full of contradictions and the fame has gone to his head.

Groves did a bit of a job on him tonight, and in my opinion had he been allowed to continue would have stopped Froch in rounds 11 or 12. It was Froch's final blast to get himself out of jail and the referee got Groves in a headlock to get him out of there. Look at it in slow motion and it looks a borderline stoppage. Look at it in real time and the referee has no right jumping in. Froch was in as bad trouble at points during that fight but was given the benefit of the doubt based on past fights, something not allowed to happed.

To me it also goes a long way to proving that Calzaghe would have boxed rings around him. Carl is saying Groves has been disrespectful but it is nothing compared to some of the stuff Carl has said about Calzaghe. Full of contradictions and overall a bit distasteful. 'I'm a warrior and that's why everyone loves me', 'he's a boy, look at those salmon trousers and your breath smells' etc.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 24, 2013, 01:46:07 AM
who are these blinkered mystic megs popping up all of a sudden?

on one hand your saying the stoppage was premature..... but then saying groves was seconds away from been stopped anyway?

have a word lads! its embarrassing, you're contradicting yourselves!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 01:47:33 AM
Fair point.

However, after taking the shots he took tonight from a young fighter stepping up, can we say Froch can keep fighting like this against someone, better and already more seasoned than Groves?

Who is who there for him now? Andre Ward. That is it, there is no point fighting anyone else if he doesn't take the Groves rematch. He is coming towards the end of his career and will want to finish with a win. I will say now that Ward beats Froch convincingly.

As a fan of Froch i don't want to see an aging fighter who has had many wars take anymore punishment like we saw tonight.

Good post agreed.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Wilsonhammers on November 24, 2013, 01:47:46 AM
Think most of you have gone nuts, groves dips he's head and turns he's back on a hard punching opponent, what should the ref do? Give Froch free punches at groves, groves put himself in the refs hands, had he face Carl instead of turning away like a girl then maybe the ref wouldn't have had the opportunity to "rob" him of he's clear victory, but then maybe youlls all happy to have seen a bad ending, ......just my thoughts


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 01:50:56 AM
Sure Groves got caught a couple of times, how many hard clean shots did he hit Froch with throughout the fight without the ref jumping in? Most of those swings in the finishing salvo missed, just like most of the punches thrown by Froch did all fight long.

This is boxing, not some non contact sport. Participants are gonna get punched occasionally. All im saying is Froch in a far worse state is allowed to carry on, George hit a couple of times is stopped. The rules are supposed to be administered fairly for both fighters. Was the ref impartial? On the evidence I witnessed tonight I'd be inclined to say no.

Think you may need to watch the last part again pal. Unless I'm mistaken the last 2 or 3 were head snapping flush shots followed by Groves turning his back in a desperate attempt of avoiding more.

Froch was dropped hard but aside from being obviously wobbly at the legs once returning to his feet i thought he recovered quite remarkably as he always seems to.

Referee's from my viewing experience generally are more lenient to fighters who are dropped with 1 big shot to fighters who are taking multiple shots on there feet. Again however premature stoppage I've no arguments there...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Wilsonhammers on November 24, 2013, 01:57:37 AM
Oh I think Jim watt doesn't like Froch  ;)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 24, 2013, 01:57:49 AM
Think most of you have gone nuts, groves dips he's head and turns he's back on a hard punching opponent, what should the ref do? Give Froch free punches at groves, groves put himself in the refs hands, had he face Carl instead of turning away like a girl then maybe the ref wouldn't have had the opportunity to "rob" him of he's clear victory, but then maybe youlls all happy to have seen a bad ending, ......just my thoughts

what a weapon you clearly are


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 01:58:43 AM
Fair point.

However, after taking the shots he took tonight from a young fighter stepping up, can we say Froch can keep fighting like this against someone, better and already more seasoned than Groves?

Who is who there for him now? Andre Ward. That is it, there is no point fighting anyone else if he doesn't take the Groves rematch. He is coming towards the end of his career and will want to finish with a win. I will say now that Ward beats Froch convincingly.

As a fan of Froch i don't want to see an aging fighter who has had many wars take anymore punishment like we saw tonight.

I'm convinced after tonight Ward would do a bigger number on him then in there previous fight... How ever lets face facts everybody in there heart of hearts already knew that anyway.

As a Froch Fan i don't want to see him retire based on having the ability to shift momentum and take the fight to a man who clearly after tonight showed he has all the physical advantages of two including age.

As for who's there... Froch v Groves 2. Who wouldn't watch that fight now? Froch v Kessler 3? Froch v Steiglitz or Bika for a 5th world title. There's still options granted not as mouthwatering as a few years back but certainly further glory still to be gained.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 24, 2013, 01:59:53 AM
Hankies at the ready.

"Groves is in big trouble, his legs have gone. Froch is going for the finish!"

"Oh that was a controversial stoppage" < ? make your mind up.






Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 02:00:17 AM
George chinny Groves down 0 times

Carl warrior Froch down 1 time.

Who would of thought it.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Wilsonhammers on November 24, 2013, 02:03:14 AM
what a weapon you clearly are

Maybe so, but my involvement in boxing has lead me to have an educated opinion of the safety and the rules, if you disagree then fair enough that's up to u


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 24, 2013, 02:03:32 AM
I'm still gutted and for both of them, It's a shame as George would of wanted to go out on his shield if it was the case he was on his way out and Carl would want to win fairly on merit.

This wasnt Carl's fault but even though Carl won it has done a lot of damage to the guy and unfairly, he got booed to the rafters and he knew it. His behaviour after was poor IMO and I think he will know this when the dust settles.

George on the other hand will come out very well even with he loss. This could be the changing of the guard, I'm not sure where Carl goes now......A ward rematch should be out of the question now and only a Groves rematch could be an option but then he is in a no win situation with that IMO.

He should retire IMO on top but I can't see him wanting to end it on that sour note.....


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Baz88 on November 24, 2013, 02:06:03 AM
Hankies at the ready.

"Groves is in big trouble, his legs have gone. Froch is going for the finish!"

"Oh that was a controversial stoppage" < ? make your mind up.

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Smooth.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 24, 2013, 02:06:33 AM
Groves punched froch so hard in the face - froch had forgotten he got knocked down. What a shot.

You cant really blame the best in the world not wanting to fight in the uk. I actually can understand why fighters like mayweather, hopkins and ward are unlikely to ever take on this 5 man challenge (boxer, Ref, and 3 Judges). Its a big advantage to give away for very little financial reward.

Mayweather had a dodgy judge v Alvarez so it's not exclusive to the UK


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 24, 2013, 02:07:35 AM
Think most of you have gone nuts, groves dips he's head and turns he's back on a hard punching opponent, what should the ref do? Give Froch free punches at groves, groves put himself in the refs hands, had he face Carl instead of turning away like a girl then maybe the ref wouldn't have had the opportunity to "rob" him of he's clear victory, but then maybe youlls all happy to have seen a bad ending, ......just my thoughts

No matter the result, there were 2 warriors in the ring tonight. That above is the biggest load of sh*te in this thread


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 24, 2013, 02:08:42 AM
Huge props to Groves, fought like a little bastard I thought - powerful, confident and aggressive.

My beef is with the ref , because that was a fight that required itself to run it's natural course to the blood thirsty end.

I suppose if Groves and his fans have anything to be grateful for, is that he leaves with his reputation greater despite a loss and looks to have a rematch lined up.

Im dead certain he was getting weak and losing his shape, whereas Froch gets stronger till the last and also starts poorly. But there you go.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 24, 2013, 02:09:41 AM
Lot of misdirected negativity towards Carl... think everyone needs to calm down.

If anybody truly believes Carl is part of a big screw job conspiracy with referee Howard Foster to ensure he wins then you're way off the mark.

In typical Carl Froch fashion he was taking control of the fight late with his dog with a bone mentality, Groves was getting hurt. This fight wasn't a set in stone Groves points victory there was still nearly 10 minutes of probably Carl's best work to go...

Referee stopped it not Carl, Carl asked for the rematch himself... calm down.

This +1


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mooreman on November 24, 2013, 02:10:04 AM
Think most of you have gone nuts, groves dips he's head and turns he's back on a hard punching opponent, what should the ref do? Give Froch free punches at groves, groves put himself in the refs hands, had he face Carl instead of turning away like a girl then maybe the ref wouldn't have had the opportunity to "rob" him of he's clear victory, but then maybe youlls all happy to have seen a bad ending, ......just my thoughts

Absolute Mongo, delete your account and top yourself in shame...... Wanker


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 02:12:23 AM
I'm still gutted and for both of them, It's a shame as George would of wanted to go out on his shield if it was the case he was on his way out and Carl would want to win fairly on merit.

This wasnt Carl's fault but even though Carl won it has done a lot of damage to the guy and unfairly, he got booed to the rafters and he knew it. His behaviour after was poor IMO and I think he will know this when the dust settles.

George on the other hand will come out very well even with he loss. This could be the changing of the guard, I'm not sure where Carl goes now......A ward rematch should be out of the question now and only a Groves rematch could be an option but then he is in a no win situation with that IMO.

He should retire IMO on top but I can't see him wanting to end it on that sour note.....

Jaimie mate I have been saying it for weeks that Carl has been conducting himself with little class the whole build up, even I thought he would be more classy after but it just shows how arrogant he is.

He used elbows etc throughout the fight then was the first to moan when George rattled him on the back of the head.

Not just because I am a Groves fan but I have never seen what people have been buying into with this fight in slating the way George was conducting himself. Many said similar things to Carl though like Carl have never offered one single bit of reason as to how they have reached there conclusion.

Maybe it is just being too much a Froch fan that prevents the truth from being seen.

He might have a L next to his name but George did a job on Carl verbally and physically from start to end in this whole promotion. Verbally Carl did a hell of a job on himself also in my book.

I respect him for the fighter he is but I am from back to being a fan of his.

I hope for Groves to have an outing before any rematch, he is only 25 and there is no need to rush him but PPV Eddie will push for what he wants no doubt.

Froch will probably push for the Ward rematch, but anyone on here who says he will get anything other than an arse kicking must on something.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 24, 2013, 02:13:11 AM
Absolute Mongo, delete your account and top yourself in shame...... Wanker

   Not the words i would have chosen but the sentiment is understood and giggled at  ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Wilsonhammers on November 24, 2013, 02:13:22 AM
No matter the result, there were 2 warriors in the ring tonight. That above is the biggest load of sh*te in this thread


How so? Please explain... But consider you own boxer/son turning away and giving a free shot to he's opponent, would you want that? Shame george didn't take a knee and an 8 count which would of saved the fight at that point, but I feel it was the beginning of the end for George any way.

Having said that George done well in the fight but also Froch showed a great chin as well, I feel every one was robbed of a clear ending but if George had more experience maybe he would of took the knee and the count.

Now explain you version!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Wilsonhammers on November 24, 2013, 02:15:13 AM
Absolute Mongo, delete your account and top yourself in shame...... Wanker
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Wanker... What for having an opinion


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 24, 2013, 02:15:31 AM
Huge props to Groves, fought like a little bastard I thought - powerful, confident and aggressive.

My beef is with the ref , because that was a fight that required itself to run it's natural course to the blood thirsty end.

I suppose if Groves and his fans have anything to be grateful for, is that he leaves with his reputation greater despite a loss and looks to have a rematch lined up.

Im dead certain he was getting weak and losing his shape, whereas Froch gets stronger till the last and also starts poorly. But there you go.

froch got battered, everybody saw it, and the stoppage was one of the worst in boxing history... as a froch fan, what positives do you take out of this fight?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 24, 2013, 02:16:43 AM
Jaimie mate I have been saying it for weeks that Carl has been conducting himself with little class the whole build up, even I thought he would be more classy after but it just shows how arrogant he is.

He used elbows etc throughout the fight then was the first to moan when George rattled him on the back of the head.

Not just because I am a Groves fan but I have never seen what people have been buying into with this fight in slating the way George was conducting himself. Many said similar things to Carl though like Carl have never offered one single bit of reason as to how they have reached there conclusion.

Maybe it is just being too much a Froch fan that prevents the truth from being seen.

He might have a L next to his name but George did a job on Carl verbally and physically from start to end in this whole promotion. Verbally Carl did a hell of a job on himself also in my book.

I respect him for the fighter he is but I am from back to being a fan of his.

I hope for Groves to have an outing before any rematch, he is only 25 and there is no need to rush him but PPV Eddie will push for what he wants no doubt.

Froch will probably push for the Ward rematch, but anyone on here who says he will get anything other than an arse kicking must on something.


(http://s15.postimg.org/6b21u9o0p/feels_2.gif)




Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 02:17:17 AM
I don't think Froch should retire, saying that is discrediting Groves in my opinion.

Put him in against someone like Kessler etc and he will still look very good. Groves is just a hell of a lot better than people gave him credit for and will always be a tough hard fight for Froch.

To say Froch should retire only days after everyone saying how he is a different fighter etc etc sinc the Bute fight is extreme.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mooreman on November 24, 2013, 02:17:41 AM
Absolute Mongo, delete your account and top yourself in shame...... Wanker
[/quote

Wanker... What for having an opinion? That makes you a C**t... So F*ck you

Illiterate


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: middleweight on November 24, 2013, 02:18:03 AM

How so? Please explain... But consider you own boxer/son turning away and giving a free shot to he's opponent, would you want that? Shame george didn't take a knee and an 8 count which would of saved the fight at that point, but I feel it was the beginning of the end for George any way.

Having said that George done well in the fight but also Froch showed a great chin as well, I feel every one was robbed of a clear ending but if George had more experience maybe he would of took the knee and the count.

Now explain you version!

Calling a fighter whos just gone 9 hard rounds, 'a girl' in a derogatory way for trying to avoid punches is a disgrace. You might be the only person in the world who'd call george groves a girl


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: motoriser on November 24, 2013, 02:19:16 AM
Carl's Warrrior Image helped him and his track record of finishing fights strong played a factor in refs decision to stop the fight too soon.
Even though Groves might have been wilting,he was still fighting and had instincts to carry on until final round or at worst Legitimately stopped.
Still a Great fight and e rematch will be Bigger.
The end result will look good for Groves as he will always say he was robbed in a fight he was winning,even though he was fading and possibly could have been stopped late.
Still we should not use it to Justify a Premature stoppage in a very close fight like that.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 02:19:48 AM
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Don't worry Red, he is still an international superstar even if he did take a slapping ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mooreman on November 24, 2013, 02:20:00 AM
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Red - Everyone has massive respect for you and your knowledge. Please dont be arrogant here. You were on here crying when Carl dropped a legitimate decision against Kessler. This was a complete farce.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Wilsonhammers on November 24, 2013, 02:20:24 AM
Illiterate

Childish... Not gonna get drawn in



As some else said earlier 2 warriors in that ring tonight just a shame it ended as it did.

The fight deserved a clear ending

But maybe Eddie likes the idea of a rematch


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 24, 2013, 02:23:22 AM
Red - Everyone has massive respect for you and your knowledge. Please dont be arrogant here. You were on here crying when Carl dropped a legitimate decision against Kessler. This was a complete farce.

Aaron knows Im taking the piss.

Your the one who's drunk and in charge of a laptop - that's an illegal offence , if the police come and breathalyse you, they could ban you from the internet for 36 months.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 24, 2013, 02:25:59 AM
Aaron knows Im taking the Piss.

Your the one who's drunk and in charge of a laptop - that's an illegal offence , if the police come and breathalyse you, they could ban you from the internet for 36 months.


  Hahahahaha   "step away from the Laptop"


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 24, 2013, 02:26:11 AM
Red I think Froch's first round knockdown was a lot worse than Joe's v Hopkins and Jones (ATG). What do you have to say about that ?

Not only that, he was absolutely schooled tonight until the referee no other than the C**t Howard Foster himself got Carl a lucky escape.

It was actually embarrassing for Carl, he was absolutely battered everywhere, I said all along Groves and DeGale would give Froch problems.

He got his arse beat, even if he did win.

Disrespectful asshole, wouldn't even be a gentleman after the fight.

And you get some dribblers on here saying Carl Froch is better than Calzaghe  ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Che Guevara on November 24, 2013, 02:26:21 AM
Huge props to Groves, fought like a little bastard I thought - powerful, confident and aggressive.

My beef is with the ref , because that was a fight that required itself to run it's natural course to the blood thirsty end.

I suppose if Groves and his fans have anything to be grateful for, is that he leaves with his reputation greater despite a loss and looks to have a rematch lined up.

Im dead certain he was getting weak and losing his shape, whereas Froch gets stronger till the last and also starts poorly. But there you go.

He made froch look bad..... Really bad... A domestic fighter.... Ward ud kill him next time. Froch is done


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 24, 2013, 02:28:22 AM
GEORGE GROVES KNOCKS DOWN CARL FROCH FIRST ROUND! 23/11/13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHwPTe3hJ50#ws)

HAHAHAHA


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: GOD on November 24, 2013, 02:28:33 AM
The whole fight build up and fight itself was like a Shakespearean tragedy given that it was steeped in irony...

Froch proclaimed that Groves would get dropped...

Groves proclaimed that Froch was gonna cry on ringside...

And in the end it was the reverse...Shakespeare couldn't have written it any better...

The whole event evoked emotion and will be remembered for many a year...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 24, 2013, 02:29:25 AM
As a Froch supporter, the ref took away his conclusive victory and gave him a probable victory in return.

Carl could have drawn a line under it tonight. He did the camp, the training, all the months of shit to get to that point and in his mind he had 11 minutes in the ring with someone who'd lost most of his sting, was holding and starting to trip around the gaff.

Froch was fighting better in the 2nd half than he was the first, he was getting his shit together at that point and then it's all waved off.

He will likely now have another 3 months of abuse from boxing fans, then a further camp, then probably another 4-5 torrid rounds from Groves before getting back to that moment in time to make a statement.

He will be 37 by then I imagine, so it's not fantastic. Tonight is like picking up 20p off the pavement and a £1 dropping down the drain.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 24, 2013, 02:30:13 AM
That slow, flat footed and predictable fighter was snapping the head back, dishing out hard punishment, shifting momentum in the 9th round against a man 11 years younger, faster and physically heavier.

Do we still throw him on the scrap heap?

Exactly. Groves put him down in 1st but Froch pretty much swallowed up the other big shots Groves landed.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 02:31:13 AM
Red I think Froch's first round knockdown was a lot worse than Joe's v Hopkins and Jones (ATG). What do you have to say about that ?

Not only that, he was absolutely schooled tonight until the referee no other than the C*** Howard Foster himself got Carl a lucky escape.

It was actually embarrassing for Carl, he was absolutely battered everywhere, I said all along Groves and DeGale would give Froch problems.

He got his arse beat, even if he did win.

Disrespectful asshole, wouldn't even be a gentleman after the fight.

And you get some dribblers on here saying Carl Froch is better than Calzaghe  ;D


You said directly before the fight this was a complete mismatch and Froch would win by "death"

I honestly believe you make it all up as you go along...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mooreman on November 24, 2013, 02:31:21 AM
Aaron knows Im taking the piss.

Your the one who's drunk and in charge of a laptop - that's an illegal offence , if the police come and breathalyse you, they could ban you from the internet for 36 months.

Far from it Red. Just disgusted.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 24, 2013, 02:32:21 AM
The whole fight build up and fight itself was like a Shakespearean tragedy given that it was steeped in irony...

Froch proclaimed that Groves would get dropped...

Groves proclaimed that Froch was gonna cry on ringside...

And in the end it was the reverse...Shakespeare couldn't have written it any better...

The whole event evoked emotion and will be remembered for many a year...

For the wrong reasons !!!

An absolute fantastic fight ruined by the ref.

It could of Been an all time classic but now it will have the robbery/fix/premature etc tag against it which is a discredit to both guys.

The only winner is that weasel Hearn....


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Baz88 on November 24, 2013, 02:33:05 AM
As a Froch supporter, the ref took away his conclusive victory and gave him a probable victory in return.

Carl could have drawn a line under it tonight. He did the camp, the training, all the months of shit to get to that point and in his mind he had 11 minutes in the ring with someone who'd lost most of his sting, was holding and starting to trip around the gaff.

Froch was fighting better in the 2nd half than he was the first, he was getting his shit together at that point and then it's all waved off.

He will likely now have another 3 months of abuse from boxing fans, then a further camp, then probably another 4-5 torrid rounds from Groves before getting back to that moment in time to make a statement.

He will be 37 by then I imagine, so it's not fantastic. Tonight is like picking up 20p off the pavement and a £1 dropping down the drain.
All baiting and joking aside. The above is probably correct, although I think next time Froch gets stopped due to age and general wear and tear. Groves would take a knee earlier next time and the judges can't possibly be as bent.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 24, 2013, 02:33:37 AM
You said directly before the fight this was a complete mismatch and Froch would win by "death"

I honestly believe you make it all up as you go along...

Originally I stated a while ago that they both would trouble him, it was a missmatch. And he still got F***ed up.

Groves is nothing special


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 24, 2013, 02:34:36 AM
All baiting and joking aside. The above is probably correct, although I think next time Froch gets stopped due to age and general wear and tear. Groves would take a knee earlier next time and the judges can't possibly be as bent.

You reckon  :-\


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 02:34:50 AM
Originally I stated a while ago that they both would trouble him, it was a missmatch. And he still got F***ed up.

Groves is nothing special

So which is it what you originally stated or what you stated directly before the fight?

or are you just making it all up as you go along?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 24, 2013, 02:35:40 AM
So which is it what you originally stated or what you stated directly before the fight?

or are you just making it all up as you go along?

I remember I don't even talk to you, aren't you that fool that thought Bradley won v Pacquiao.

Bye.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Wilsonhammers on November 24, 2013, 02:37:08 AM

The only winner is that weasel Hearn....


Can't help but agree with the above


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The_Answer on November 24, 2013, 02:38:37 AM
I remember I don't even talk to you, aren't you that fool that thought Bradley won v Pacquiao.

Bye.

No i thought and have stated several times since that Pacquiao should have won.

Again making stuff up as you go along.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Baz88 on November 24, 2013, 02:39:32 AM
You reckon  :-\
I'm hopeful  ;D

One round in favour of Groves at the time of the stoppage is suspicious at best. Especially considering the knock down. Surely even Red would agree with that, Froch coming on stronger or not.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 24, 2013, 02:41:01 AM
anyone seen the cards?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AndyE on November 24, 2013, 02:45:54 AM
As a long time member of these forums (in-active poster but on everyday) I am really disappointed with some of the comments from people in this thread. Lets set the record straight...

Was Carl out classed? In the first half of the fight no one can deny this.

Did Groves prove himself to all of us? Even the most die hard Grove's/Froch fan can say yes he did and we can all say we are proud.

Was the stoppage premature? Yes it was.

Was Froch about to stop Groves? Was looking very likely.

All this negativity towards Carl is mind boggling to me, these two guys got in the ring and gave us one of the finest domestic fights we have seen in a long long time... And calling fighters pieces of shit or whatever for a decision which is COMPLETELY OUT OF THEIR HANDS is beyond me. Carl made a mistake in the interview at the end in making one of his last points not the first "I am not in charge of when the ref stops the fight, it is out of both our hands" had he opened with this then yes we could have seen a lighter side to that interview.

We cannot put blame on the fighters, only applaud the display by both. Do we want to see a rematch? Yes. Not because one fighter was 'robbed' (because we can never say that in THIS SCENARIO), but because there was no conclusive winner.

Credit to both George and Carl.

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Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 24, 2013, 02:47:27 AM
No i thought and have stated several times since that Pacquiao should have won.

Again making stuff up as you go along.

Nice avatar.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 02:49:17 AM
anyone seen the cards?

Apparently 2 judges had it 76-75......how the F*ck you come to that conclussion i do not know, All the people on here saying "Froch was coming on strong" etc etc are the same people who ridiculed me when i said the same with Burns vs Gonzalez, I said before the fight Froch's ego had gotten huge since the Bute fight and tonight proved it he acted like a right wanker after the fight to George in the ring then during the post fight interview i had to laugh when he said something like "I brought the crowd a good exciting fight" no Carl you brought your arse to get whipped George brought the excitement!

Sets itself up for a rematch though with Carl playing the role of bad guy after being booed out of the arena tonight, If we're stopping fights on a guy getting hit twice then it should have been stopped in round 1 when Carl went down got up and was all over the place falling back into the ropes but Fast car Eddie can't let his golden boy lose.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 24, 2013, 02:52:33 AM
As a long time member of these forums (in-active poster but on everyday) I am really disappointed with some of the comments from people in this thread. Lets set the record straight...

Was Carl out classed? In the first half of the fight no one can deny this.

Did Groves prove himself to all of us? Even the most die hard Grove's/Froch fan can say yes he did and we can all say we are proud.

Was the stoppage premature? Yes it was.

Was Froch about to stop Groves? Was looking very likely.

All this negativity towards Carl is mind boggling to me, these two guys got in the ring and gave us one of the finest domestic fights we have seen in a long long time... And calling fighters pieces of shit or whatever for a decision which is COMPLETELY OUT OF THEIR HANDS is beyond me. Carl made a mistake in the interview at the end in making one of his last points not the first "I am not in charge of when the ref stops the fight, it is out of both our hands" had he opened with this then yes we could have seen a lighter side to that interview.

We cannot put blame on the fighters, only applaud the display by both. Do we want to see a rematch? Yes. Not because one fighter was 'robbed' (because we can never say that in THIS SCENARIO), but because there was no conclusive winner.

Credit to both George and Carl.

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Best post on this thread.

People seem to have forgotten it was Carl who mentioned the rematch. Not Groves. Not Hearn. Not Sky. Carl Froch. Yes he was out classed for majority of the fight but let's not kid ourselves, Froch isn't gonna retire on the back of this, not unless McCracken tells him otherwise and it's not like he was put down multiple times, he gobbled up at lot of big shots after the knockdown.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 24, 2013, 02:54:06 AM
Froch wouldn't shake his hands with GG until he berated him for not giving him enough respect it was classless and delusional of him. Froch walked into cheers and went out to jeers he just couldn't be humble enough to say I was getting beat and you know what this kid give me horrendous problems.
He just tried to paint a picture of the fight that only happened in his own imagination he was schooled and although he was getting back into it he was 5 rounds down on 99% of what people was scoring it. Froch should retire tonight he was lucky to get the win and if he faces a voluntary next the fans won't forgive him even though a rematch is worth huge money more than any fight out there for him.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 03:00:43 AM
Best post on this thread.

People seem to have forgotten it was Carl who mentioned the rematch. Not Groves. Not Hearn. Not Sky. Carl Froch. Yes he was out classed for majority of the fight but let's not kid ourselves, Froch isn't gonna retire on the back of this, not unless McCracken tells him otherwise and it's not like he was put down multiple times, he gobbled up at lot of big shots after the knockdown.

We haven't seen Carl hit that flush that many times though even in the Kessler fights he didn't take as many hard shots as he did tonight the only other person to do him like this was Ward, I told everyone from the first press conference not to underestimate Groves and i knew he had got under Carl's skin he fought the exact way Groves wanted for 7 rounds and George just got sloppy as he got tired but had the ref let him end that round he would have got a breather and came back with his head clearer.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 24, 2013, 03:07:39 AM
The sad thing for me is that refs and judges can make or break careers with poor work. Howard Foster now joins my chitlist along with Terry O'Connor and Dave Parris.

   On this occasion i dont see a career being ruined, i think Goerge's LOSS (Cough splutter) has made his stock rise. Sadly its not always the case.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Che Guevara on November 24, 2013, 03:10:04 AM
Anyone that think Froch should even share a ring with ward at this stage need arresting under the mental health act... Gazza style


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gavin on November 24, 2013, 03:30:52 AM
To say Froch has "aged overnight", "getting old" or whatever the other reasons for George being able to hit him with such frequency and power, is unfair to George. Fact is, GG is just a lot quicker and more accurate than a lot of these 'world class' fighters. Some people still don't rate GG as world class, but tonight proved otherwise. He is probably as fast as Dirrell, but not as hesitant to get stuck in or take a shot to get one of his off. Remember GG gave Dirrell a shiner in sparring - so certainly doesn't lack speed. His power is world class, If Froch is honest, I'm sure he would say he has never been hit so hard in his life. I think GG would do a number on pretty much all of the SMW's with the exception of Ward, but he has the potential to even do him. Massively proud of GG tonight, not knocking Froch for the stoppage, even though it was ridiculous. Will say though that a lot of the shots Froch was throwing hit gloves and arms when the crowd were going crazy. The judges need retiring. The fight in the end reminded me of Rocky 4, when he goes to Russia and gets booed by everyone, but ends up getting cheered as the hero.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 24, 2013, 03:39:04 AM
George just got sloppy as he got tired but had the ref let him end that round he would have got a breather and came back with his head clearer.

That's all hypothetical tbh.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 24, 2013, 03:40:12 AM
That's all hypothetical tbh.

as it would be to say Froch was gonna stop him. Facts are, we will never know.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 24, 2013, 03:51:34 AM
I think you would have to be a die hard froch fan to not admit that froch struggles with boxers not brawlers. Groves, Dirrel and Ward clearly showed that froch can easily be outclassed. Froch fought like a desperate man just swinging for the fences against a guy who had only fought 19 pro fights. He got schooled and got desperate.

My advice is to know your limits and stay clear of andre ward or fighting a boxer type fighter especially outside of the UK.

You could say the very opposite for amir khan - who should avoid the big punchers or those who like to brawl.

Froch showed enormous courage though and he could have redeemed himself if only he had kept his mouth shut at ringside - a pity for him. Groves seemed to have won a lot of froch's fan base from him.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Hotdog on November 24, 2013, 05:24:05 AM
Froch wouldn't shake his hands with GG until he berated him for not giving him enough respect it was classless and delusional of him. Froch walked into cheers and went out to jeers he just couldn't be humble enough to say I was getting beat and you know what this kid give me horrendous problems.
He just tried to paint a picture of the fight that only happened in his own imagination he was schooled and although he was getting back into it he was 5 rounds down on 99% of what people was scoring it. Froch should retire tonight he was lucky to get the win and if he faces a voluntary next the fans won't forgive him even though a rematch is worth huge money more than any fight out there for him.

This! Froch was classless tonight and its this KO d of behaviour which has made me struggle to support him since the start. As a boxer, I respect him 100%. Hard as nails and will fight to the death, as a person, he acts like a spoilt brat.

Not shaking hands at the end of a match is pathetic. George came over to instigate it and he refused. That's when I started boo'ing. He may of done it after but the ship had sailed for me, it was forced after that and after seeing the reaction from the crowd.

I won't pay another penny to see a Froch fight and certainly wouldn't invest in a rematch. Groves is better looking elsewhere, he can get a belt no problem.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: somewares on November 24, 2013, 05:38:16 AM
Regardless of Froch's lack of respect to GG straight after the fight..... which sucked....  And his childish pre fight press interview, which made him look scared and immature. At that moment I knew GG had his number, he couldn't deal with GG in the pre fight presser, and couldn't deal with him in the fight.  I LOL'd so much when GG downed him in the first and did everything he said he would in his plan LOL :D

The main thing pissing me off is how f***ing shit our refs and judges are in this country..... THEY TOTALLY SUCK.  Protect the promoters golden egg laying duck....

Really the promoters may as well pay the wage of the judges and refs, cos thats how it looks like to me.

Take the Burns vs Beltran fight..... how the F*ck that was a draw is beyond me....  :(

But either way tonights fight should not have been stopped and Carl was gifted a win due to a total blind fat incompetent ref.  Sick of our useless lame corrupt officials.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Chris on November 24, 2013, 07:12:56 AM
Here's my take,
Did Groves win 6 of the first 7 rnds, 100%yes
Was the stoppage premature, yes!
Would Froch have stopped him anyway if the ref hadn't intervened? 100% yes!

Great performance from Groves, but he'd not much left! Froch has to respect him after that whether he likes it or not!

Haha that's what I said but u managed to abbreviate it to just a few lines!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 07:46:20 AM
Just watched it again... My son decided 06.30 is a great time to start Sunday!
Haven't a clue where the judges got their cards from (I suspect Edie's wallet), but that's one farce. The biggest face is still the stoppage, watching it again groves wasn't particularly hurt, was throwing shots back, threw the big fat crooked ref off him.
People stating things like 'Carl would have stopped him 100% had the fight carried on' are trying to convince themselves.
What I am pretty sure of is that groves would win the rematch fairly easy if there is one, what I think more likely is Carl will retire. Great champion, but enough is enough. If I were him I would start to think about staying in bed and playing with Rachel rather than getting up in the cold and wet to do then  hill sprints etc...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 24, 2013, 08:04:33 AM
No im not, im saying that justifying an early stoppage by saying he probably wouldve knocked Groves out soon after that is unacceptable as nobody knows what wouldve happened. If i had to put my mortgage on the outcome of the fight at the time Groves got hurt I wouldve said Carl by KO, but that wouldve been an educated guess, if i had to put my mortgage on the fight at the end of the 1st, I wouldve said Groves win, again an educated guess at best

I never did try and justify the stoppage though....its disappointed me greatly as a more conclusive ending for Froch was taken from him. Everyone deserved better than that.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Heathen on November 24, 2013, 08:05:52 AM
I don't think Carl can retire without giving Groves the rematch - his treasured legacy would be irreparably damaged.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 08:34:52 AM
CARL FROCH v GEORGE GROVES POST FIGHT PRESS CONFERENCE - WITH GROVES, FIZTPATRICK & HEARN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0kr8NVN3OA#)

Doesn't sound like Eddie wants Carl anywhere near Groves again


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: chipper on November 24, 2013, 08:42:40 AM
Froch lost my respect tonight, well and truly. Groves outfought him in every department, won the mind games, fans and the fight.

What a fix that howard foster is involved with this BS stoppage... And the scorecards were on for a matchroom fix also. Strange that, boxing politics eh? Groves dominated the fight. Everyone has there opinion and Groves going toe to toe wasn't the best idea as he was easily outclassing froch and didn't need to fight frochs fight. Groves had his number all night long tho.  Sorry to say froch lost my respect and probably the respect of everyone in the arena tonight. That interview after the fight was shocking, so cocky. Boxing fans saw straight through him. Immediate rematch should be ordered and i see groves taking a wide points decision if not a KO. Carl should call it a day.
i dont post here very often but have been a member for years (rickys site) i have never rated Foch at any time he was outboxed by ward and got a ko against taylor who outboxed him for twevle rounds Groves was robbed tonight of a what would have been a shut out points/tko win i am disgusted with the ref who a has a  history of controversial  fights one example MAB v Khan rant over!  i forgot to post this lol when i drunk & angry














Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Fightin Irish on November 24, 2013, 08:43:20 AM
Been fairly impressed with any of the interviews Paddy Fitzpatrick has done throughout this!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: GOD on November 24, 2013, 08:46:13 AM
Just watched it again... My son decided 06.30 is a great time to start Sunday!
Haven't a clue where the judges got their cards from (I suspect Edie's wallet), but that's one farce. The biggest face is still the stoppage, watching it again groves wasn't particularly hurt, was throwing shots back, threw the big fat crooked ref off him.
People stating things like 'Carl would have stopped him 100% had the fight carried on' are trying to convince themselves.
What I am pretty sure of is that groves would win the rematch fairly easy if there is one, what I think more likely is Carl will retire. Great champion, but enough is enough. If I were him I would start to think about staying in bed and playing with Rachel rather than getting up in the cold and wet to do then  hill sprints etc...

Couldn't agree more Jim, I watched it again and the whole thing is unbelievable.

If Groves really was on the verge of being stopped as many are saying on here, then we need a boxing commission to retrospectively review past fights and change the results, starting with...

David Haye vs Lolenga Mock
Amir Khan vs Marcos Maidana


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 08:51:38 AM
CARL FROCH, ROB McCRACKEN & EDDIE HEARN POST FIGHT PRESS CONFERENCE / FROCH v GROVES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOWfFWikXqE#ws)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 09:04:46 AM
Watching the press cons doesn't sound like Carl is now to interested in a rematch and I believe he's going to get a shock when he watches the tape back.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: RoadRunner on November 24, 2013, 09:07:44 AM
I think the fact Eddie Hearn says nothing at the after fight press conference speaks volumes!
Even rob only spoke for 15sec or so …all as Carl spoke about him self as a third person and referred to ancient Romans/gladiators as you do…
(Rolls eyes)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: stinka on November 24, 2013, 09:14:17 AM
CARL FROCH, ROB McCRACKEN & EDDIE HEARN POST FIGHT PRESS CONFERENCE / FROCH v GROVES ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOWfFWikXqE#ws[/url])


Deluded arrogant nob

Gone down in my estimations 100% what a twat


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: stinka on November 24, 2013, 09:15:43 AM
I think Carl was so out of it he doesn't actually know what's happened

Either that or he is actually THAT vile


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: hardknocklife on November 24, 2013, 09:24:12 AM
It still feels like a bad dream; probably the most disappointing end to a fight in living memory. How the hell could the ref in good conscience stop the fight? Imagine if Richard Steele had stopped Hearns-Hagler in the first round?! This is what fighters do! They duke it out... sorry I know I'm just repeating what others have said but seriously that was some bullshit stoppage. The kid Groves was still very much in the fight. The people who paid to see the fight got robbed plain and simple. I hope to never see that f***ing ref again


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: 7777 on November 24, 2013, 09:53:18 AM
I think Carl was so out of it he doesn't actually know what's happened

Either that or he is actually THAT vile

I honestly think that played a part, I said it to my old man, he wasn't himself till at least the 4th, coming out blinking and fighting on instinct, it's not excusing him but I do think it was the case, he shouldn't have been able to get up from that shot in the first, only his conditioning allowed him to do so

That shot was a once in a lifetime shot, Pacquiao on Hatton, Marquez on Pacquiao, Martinez on Williams etc, it should have KO'd him and I'm convinced he was fighting on instinct for the next few rounds

Props to Groves though because he was the one that made it happen, he beat Froch to every punch, better jab, footwork, movement, power punches etc, started just like he said he would but Carl did adjust which he has to be given credit for

I do think we will see different opinions from the camps this week particularly Frochs because their PR machine needs to go into serious overdrive and they need to start by giving Groves proper props not some half arsed "he has gained a little bit of respect"

"If I can change, and you can change, we can all change"  :)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: GOD on November 24, 2013, 09:58:45 AM
CARL FROCH v GEORGE GROVES POST FIGHT PRESS CONFERENCE - WITH GROVES, FIZTPATRICK & HEARN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0kr8NVN3OA#)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 24, 2013, 09:59:33 AM
Well,

Now I've slept on it I cannot understand why Howard Foster didn't administer the 8-count.

Terrible refereeing and again, it's the fighters and fans that are left in the lurch. It's compacted by the fact people paid for the fight.

It's a pity they don't point that high-powered opinion at the ref instead of everyone bar Groves.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 10:00:04 AM
I honestly think that played a part, I said it to my old man, he wasn't himself till at least the 4th, coming out blinking and fighting on instinct, it's not excusing him but I do think it was the case, he shouldn't have been able to get up from that shot in the first, only his conditioning allowed him to do so

That shot was a once in a lifetime shot, Pacquiao on Hatton, Marquez on Pacquiao, Martinez on Williams etc, it should have KO'd him and I'm convinced he was fighting on instinct for the next few rounds

Props to Groves though because he was the one that made it happen, he beat Froch to every punch, better jab, footwork, movement, power punches etc, started just like he said he would but Carl did adjust which he has to be given credit for

I do think we will see different opinions from the camps this week particularly Frochs because their PR machine needs to go into serious overdrive and they need to start by giving Groves proper props not some half arsed "he has gained a little bit of respect"

"If I can change, and you can change, we can all change"  :)

I couldn't help but notice during the ring walks and even as the fight was waiting to start George Groves looked the more focused off the two and never took his eyes of Froch. Its interesting listening to Rob McCrackken there they knew he had a style that didn't suit Carl !!!! I wonder now if this was at the back of Carls head during the PR stuff and the ring entrance etc.

Watching him at the press conference there he still doesn't seem to know were he is and it doesn't even seem to have registered about his jaw perhaps being broken until its mentioned to him overall I'm getting the feeling he was hurt a lot worse than he knows.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Harvey on November 24, 2013, 10:02:16 AM
Well well well. Welcome to the big time Mr Groves.

I said before the fight that it was too early for him but I was  plainly wrong.

I knew he hit hard but boy does he hit hard.

Also his chin looked pretty good aswell.

Obviously the stoppage was premature but I believe Froch  was gonna
stop in either that round or the next. Groves was starting too look very
tired in there.

But respext where its due  Groves told us he had a game plan to beat Froxh
and it nearly worked.

A rematch is a must.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: 7777 on November 24, 2013, 10:10:57 AM
Well,

Now I've slept on it I cannot understand why Howard Foster didn't administer the 8-count.

Terrible refereeing and again, it's the fighters and fans that are left in the lurch. It's compacted by the fact people paid for the fight.

It's a pity they don't point that high-powered opinion at the ref instead of everyone bar Groves.



He never took a knee, there wasn't an option for a standing 8 count


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 24, 2013, 10:21:40 AM
He never took a knee, there wasn't an option for a standing 8 count
do you need to take a knee - i dont think you do? Ive seen it before when a fighter is trapped on the ropes and gets a standing 8 - The clue is in the name is it not?

Or i am completely wrong in which case my bad


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Havoc on November 24, 2013, 10:26:04 AM
CARL FROCH, ROB McCRACKEN & EDDIE HEARN POST FIGHT PRESS CONFERENCE / FROCH v GROVES ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOWfFWikXqE#ws[/url])


Froch isn't not doing himself any favors here.
Believing his his own hype.

Classic line in there from Froch

"Its not for me to say the refs decision is right or wrong but he made the right decision" lol.

None of his team wants this rematch. All that talk he was getting on top of Groves is rubbish. He had a good 8th round yes but he wasn't getting on top.

I've lost a lot of respect for Froch. Not due to the fight but the immense shite coming out of his mouth in these interviews.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 24, 2013, 10:27:36 AM
Groves trainer and Hearn both said the 8 count should of been done and asked why it wasn't


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Shavio on November 24, 2013, 10:31:26 AM
You can give a standing 8 if it is judged that the ropes are keeping a fighter on his feet I think.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: 7777 on November 24, 2013, 10:33:20 AM
do you need to take a knee - i dont think you do? Ive seen it before when a fighter is trapped on the ropes and gets a standing 8 - The clue is in the name is it not?

Or i am completely wrong in which case my bad



In professional boxing you do, a ref can't jump in and let the fighter regain his composure that hasn't even knocked down or taken a knee


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 10:33:39 AM
I think the ref cannot give a standing 8 if he has been paid by the promotor to stop the fight at the earliest possible chance in favour of his favourite fighter.
Think that's in the rules.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Shavio on November 24, 2013, 10:36:10 AM
I tell you one thing though, I have always respected Froch the fighter but I struggle to even look at him now as a man. His attitude is shocking and as someone else said will have a surprise when he watches the tape back.

If he fights again I will 100% be cheering the opponent, I also find it amazing how many people on here are still standing up for him and how he speaks etc.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: 7777 on November 24, 2013, 10:39:47 AM
I think the ref cannot give a standing 8 if he has been paid by the promotor to stop the fight at the earliest possible chance in favour of his favourite fighter.
Think that's in the rules.

I know that's said in jest but any result last night (so long as Groves showed he belonged at that level) benefited Hearn and Matchroom, Groves will re-sign with Hearn anyway so they make money whatever happens, there was nothing dodgy with that result apart from maybe Howard Foster having something against Gingers


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 24, 2013, 10:40:21 AM
I think the ref cannot give a standing 8 if he has been paid by the promotor to stop the fight at the earliest possible chance in favour of his favourite fighter.
Think that's in the rules.

:D indeed lol


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 10:42:39 AM
I know that's said in jest but any result last night (so long as Groves showed he belonged at that level) benefited Hearn and Matchroom, Groves will re-sign with Hearn anyway so they make money whatever happens, there was nothing dodgy with that result apart from maybe Howard Foster having something against Gingers

I found it a little strange that the ref walked Groves back to the corner holding George's hands down by his side rather than just ordering Groves to the corner.

Anyhow rematch is required don't think we'll get a rematch though


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: 7777 on November 24, 2013, 10:44:38 AM
I tell you one thing though, I have always respected Froch the fighter but I struggle to even look at him now as a man. His attitude is shocking and as someone else said will have a surprise when he watches the tape back.

If he fights again I will 100% be cheering the opponent, I also find it amazing how many people on here are still standing up for him and how he speaks etc.

I haven't seen anyone that is really, I'm sure he went down in a lot of people's estimations last night, certainly everyone present in the arena, I've never seen a crowd turned like that!

His only saving grace is maybe his head was buzzed and maybe he didn't know how bad it all was and that's why from a PR recovery exercise his next interview is massively important for his career and legacy

It doesn't help that he seems to be a bit like Hatton in his final days with yes men blowing smoke up his arse, he needs someone strong enough to sit down with a reality check really


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: stinka on November 24, 2013, 10:55:36 AM
I thought Hatton as soon as he started speaking after the fight and again at the post presser.

And and ending like hattons is almost certain if he keeps up the delusion and arrogance and I'll have no sympathy for froch as this arrogance and narcism is seemingly worse than old Ricky's ever was


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Fightin Irish on November 24, 2013, 11:02:24 AM
Froch would have to regret the way he acted post fight this morning, Groves even though upset, offered his hand straight after and Froch declined, that's a big no, no in any boxer or boxing fans eyes!! Poor sportsmanship, especially in a tough sport like boxing!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 24, 2013, 11:07:14 AM
I thought Hatton as soon as he started speaking after the fight and again at the post presser.

And and ending like hattons is almost certain if he keeps up the delusion and arrogance and I'll have no sympathy for froch as this arrogance and narcism is seemingly worse than old Ricky's ever was

That's not a surprise, considering you only used to pop up and slag Hatton on his old site.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: stinka on November 24, 2013, 11:15:24 AM
I wasn't a nut hugger if that's what u mean ;)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 24, 2013, 11:21:17 AM
Froch would have to regret the way he acted post fight this morning, Groves even though upset, offered his hand straight after and Froch declined, that's a big no, no in any boxer or boxing fans eyes!! Poor sportsmanship, especially in a tough sport like boxing!

Agreed, I thought it was very poor and so obviously did the crowd. His popularity will have dropped like a stone which is a shame.




Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kevan2 on November 24, 2013, 11:33:01 AM
    I cannot believe the shite that is comming out of Carls mouth....   Deluded? ego maniac? or just concussed and talking shite coz he has no memory of what actualy transpired? Whatever it is or was, I will watch Carl again but only if its a rematch any other fight at this point would show he is not the Warrior he claims but a schoolyard bully who shy's away from both fact and reality.


    If i never saw  Howard Foster, Dave Parris or Terry O'Connor again it would be a month to soon. Its not gonna be long before a ref stops a fight during the national anthems because one fighter looked a bit scared.


    All i want to see now, is Carl be the Man he claims to be, stand by his "lets do the rematch" anything else would be met with laughter and scorn.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 24, 2013, 11:35:57 AM
I tell you one thing though, I have always respected Froch the fighter but I struggle to even look at him now as a man. His attitude is shocking and as someone else said will have a surprise when he watches the tape back.

If he fights again I will 100% be cheering the opponent, I also find it amazing how many people on here are still standing up for him and how he speaks etc.

Imagine this, the ref waved Carl off in the first round.

Groves was already waay to big for his boots considering he'd fought nobody.

If you think Carl is arrogant, i dread to think what Groves would have been like should he have won - he'd have stuck it right up Froch make no bones about it.

Carl gets a pass because many of us know him and have actually had a chat with him. Judge a man by his actions not his words - he aint going around chugging beer and snorting cocaine in toilets, he trains and he spends spare time with his family. He doesn't care what people think or say and he is not a PR guy but a fighter.

If he gave a shit what people thought, he wouldn't have fought whom he fought and would be more concerned with keeping his precious 'O' and swanning around making predictions how he would have won every mythical fight under the sun. Instead he's gone out there and done it.

That's why he has people's respect. Not because he wont give a blubbering 25-year old a cuddle and tell him how great he did for 2 thirds of a fight before starting to fall apart.

Groves is a front runner, a sprinter - Froch is a distance fighter and that would have showed in 9,10,11 and 12 if it got that far.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 11:39:29 AM
Carl and Eddie want nothing to do with the rematch they know George wouldn't slow down next time and would stick to the gameplan for the whole 12, If we're stopping fights for that why wasn't Carl stopped? On his arse in round 1 and unsteady on his feet when he got up and buzzed about 2 or 3 times afterwards. I've not watched any of the press conferences can't be bothered with Carl anymore said it before the fight he was getting an ego and his post fight interview was just that of a classless prick he knows he got lucky last night and waking up this morning he should be ashamed.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 11:47:07 AM
I think one thing that's been missed is the fact the REF should have deducted Carl points his performance was utterly awful last night, hopefully if there is a rematch we'll get decent officials.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 24, 2013, 11:49:25 AM
Imagine this, the ref waved Carl off in the first round.

Groves was already waay to big for his boots considering he'd fought nobody.

If you think Carl is arrogant, i dread to think what Groves would have been like should he have won - he'd have stuck it right up Froch make no bones about it.

Carl gets a pass because many of us know him and have actually had a chat with him. Judge a man by his actions not his words - he aint going around chugging beer and snorting cocaine in toilets, he trains and he spends spare time with his family. He doesn't care what people think or say and he is not a PR guy but a fighter.

If he gave a shit what people thought, he wouldn't have fought whom he fought and would be more concerned with keeping his precious 'O' and swanning around making predictions how he would have won every mythical fight under the sun. Instead he's gone out there and done it.

That's why he has people's respect. Not because he wont give a blubbering 25-year old a cuddle and tell him how great he did for 2 thirds of a fight before starting to fall apart.

Groves is a front runner, a sprinter - Froch is a distance fighter and that would have showed in 9,10,11 and 12 if it got that far.

Mate if you had just put Carl attitude was poor last night then your post then fair enough.
No one is saying he is a bad guy out the ring, they are commenting on his behaviour last night.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 11:54:20 AM
Mate if you had just put Carl attitude was poor last night then your post then fair enough.
No one is saying he is a bad guy out the ring, they are commenting on his behaviour last night.

Agreed he should have just shaken his hand and told everyone George fought a great fight.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: 7777 on November 24, 2013, 11:55:44 AM
Carl and Eddie want nothing to do with the rematch they know George wouldn't slow down next time and would stick to the gameplan for the whole 12, If we're stopping fights for that why wasn't Carl stopped? On his arse in round 1 and unsteady on his feet when he got up and buzzed about 2 or 3 times afterwards. I've not watched any of the press conferences can't be bothered with Carl anymore said it before the fight he was getting an ego and his post fight interview was just that of a classless prick he knows he got lucky last night and waking up this morning he should be ashamed.

See this is what does my head in, why can't you and loads of others on here be balanced FFS

Why do you feel the need to slag one fighter off and not have the ability to see both sides??

Never ceases to amaze me really

Groves never 'slowed down', Froch made him slow down. Groves was fantastic last night but Froch was like a bull keep coming at him and was wearing Groves down, he was almost certainly in the ascendency when the fight was stopped and it reminded me of Bute before it was stopped and as for any other conspiracy, for how bad the interview was, Froch still offered Groves the rematch before he was asked the question by anyone and Matchroom want every part of a PPV rematch because they make a f***ing shit load of money

Does Groves deserve credit for doing what he said - yes
Does Groves deserve credit for out-manning Froch for large parts of the first 5 rounds - yes
Does Groves deserve credit for dropping Froch heavier than anyone has ever done before - yes
Does Froch deserve credit for managing to even get up from that shot - yes
Does Froch deserve credit for turning the fight round - yes
Was Froch in charge of the fight at the time of the stoppage - yes
Was it a poor stoppage - yes

The only debatable point is whether Froch would have stopped Groves in the next half of that round and that's the shit point for everyone concerned not least the two fighters but it's nobodies fault, not even the ref who clearly thought he was making the right call as much as it was shit

I also don't think it's fair that anyone is judged on what they say after a fight which is why I think we will see a different opinion this week and a more balanced view maybe on Ringside. Emotions were flying last night and even though I called Froch a bellend for telling Groves to F*ck off at the time, he did then take the time to speak to him when his head was calm

Unless you're an elite level fighter I don't any of us know what it's like to be in that position at the end of nearly 30 minutes of war


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 11:56:01 AM
Red how can you say George was too big for his boots after last night?

He took froch to pieces and was way up on every scorecard prior to a bad stoppage.

All that in his first fight with a new camp and no chin.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 12:04:24 PM
See this is what does my head in, why can't you and loads of others on here be balanced FFS

Why do you feel the need to slag one fighter off and not have the ability to see both sides??

Never ceases to amaze me really

Groves never 'slowed down', Froch made him slow down. Groves was fantastic last night but Froch was like a bull keep coming at him and was wearing Groves down, he was almost certainly in the ascendency when the fight was stopped and it reminded me of Bute before it was stopped and as for any other conspiracy, for how bad the interview was, Froch still offered Groves the rematch before he was asked the question by anyone and Matchroom want every part of a PPV rematch because they make a f***ing shit load of money

Does Groves deserve credit for doing what he said - yes
Does Groves deserve credit for out-manning Froch for large parts of the first 5 rounds - yes
Does Groves deserve credit for dropping Froch heavier than anyone has ever done before - yes
Does Froch deserve credit for managing to even get up from that shot - yes
Does Froch deserve credit for turning the fight round - yes
Was Froch in charge of the fight at the time of the stoppage - yes
Was it a poor stoppage - yes

The only debatable point is whether Froch would have stopped Groves in the next half of that round and that's the shit point for everyone concerned not least the two fighters but it's nobodies fault, not even the ref who clearly thought he was making the right call as much as it was shit

I also don't think it's fair that anyone is judged on what they say after a fight which is why I think we will see a different opinion this week and a more balanced view maybe on Ringside. Emotions were flying last night and even though I called Froch a bellend for telling Groves to F*ck off at the time, he did then take the time to speak to him when his head was calm

Unless you're an elite level fighter I don't any of us know what it's like to be in that position at the end of nearly 30 minutes of war

Not sure I agree with you on the rematch comments I might have taken the comments wrongly but Eddie was steering it away from a rematch in the Groves interview before Fitzpatrick stepped in.

Carl didn't seem as keen on a rematch either during his interview and Rob stepped in and went on about the stoppage. Its a hard one because IMO Groves won most of the rounds prior to the weak stoppage would it have happened? it might have but we'll never know which just leads to the questions and frustration from fans. 


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Fightin Irish on November 24, 2013, 12:17:23 PM
Just watched  the live Interview with Froch on SSN there, seems the rematch is on according to him, it makes most sense, but ultimately it'll be up to Hearn


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 12:19:05 PM
Just watched  the live Interview with Froch on SSN there, seems the rematch is on according to him, it makes most sense, but ultimately it'll be up to Hearn

No chance will Hearn want the rematch.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Fightin Irish on November 24, 2013, 12:21:55 PM
Don't see why not, its a win win for him and a big payday!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 12:23:42 PM
Don't see why not, its a win win for him and a big payday!

Froch loses loses he loses his big PPV star i like George but he's not PPV material and everyone knows Eddie wants to get Ward over here for Carl on PPV.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 12:26:40 PM
Just watched  the live Interview with Froch on SSN there, seems the rematch is on according to him, it makes most sense, but ultimately it'll be up to Hearn

They didn't seem keen post fight interviews I hope we do get the rematch I guess it will depend on how much money last nights PPV made a rematch would certainly make more however I reckon if Ward picked up the phone tonight it would be Froch vs Ward 2. Personally I hope we get Groves Vs Froch 2


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Fightin Irish on November 24, 2013, 12:27:23 PM
Neither are PPV stars, and after last nights undercard, I don't see anyone in the UK paying for a fight again. Ward wont travel to England and listening to Froch this morning, he's off the opinion the Groves fight is the most logical and easiest to make!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: CelticHiggo on November 24, 2013, 12:36:17 PM
As everyone knows I'm not Groves biggest fan but what I seen last night was disgusting.I had alot of non boxing fans in the house and they think Froch is a C**t  ;D They were all fuming and can't believe Im such a big fan of the sport.

It was a fix no doubt about it.

I would of liked to read mooremans post : it must of been a good un,come on who deleted it.

I agree with everything Tito said and I've said the same for years.Matchroom and Sky should be ashamed.

I would hate to be Froch this morning,classless.

PS STOP DELETING POSTS


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 24, 2013, 12:39:21 PM
Imagine this, the ref waved Carl off in the first round.

Groves was already waay to big for his boots considering he'd fought nobody.

If you think Carl is arrogant, i dread to think what Groves would have been like should he have won - he'd have stuck it right up Froch make no bones about it.

Carl gets a pass because many of us know him and have actually had a chat with him. Judge a man by his actions not his words - he aint going around chugging beer and snorting cocaine in toilets, he trains and he spends spare time with his family. He doesn't care what people think or say and he is not a PR guy but a fighter.

If he gave a shit what people thought, he wouldn't have fought whom he fought and would be more concerned with keeping his precious 'O' and swanning around making predictions how he would have won every mythical fight under the sun. Instead he's gone out there and done it.

That's why he has people's respect. Not because he wont give a blubbering 25-year old a cuddle and tell him how great he did for 2 thirds of a fight before starting to fall apart.

Groves is a front runner, a sprinter - Froch is a distance fighter and that would have showed in 9,10,11 and 12 if it got that far.

In your opinion. The fight wasnt turning on its head, Froch had a good round. That was daylight robbery, and a disgrace to boxing.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 24, 2013, 12:41:13 PM
Did Booth go in to see Groves before the fight? I watched it in the pub so didnt see but heard stories he had.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 24, 2013, 12:44:46 PM
Did Booth go in to see Groves before the fight? I watched it in the pub so didnt see but heard stories he had.
not sure about before but definately after


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 12:52:02 PM
Still say George should take some time out, maybe get a win under his belt then come back at Froch. That has nothing to do with letting Carl age etc it is just something I think would benefit Groves more at his age etc. 

 I am not going to harp on about the stoppage, at the end of the day Groves proved a lot of people wrong last night and is the name on peoples lips despite the result. 

 I have slated Froch's attitude towards Groves in the build up the whole ten weeks, he has not done a great deal to change that but I take nothing away from his heart and guts.   

I don't doubt Froch would take the rematch, there is nothing to say he would now try and duck Groves despite the beating he took last night.   Maybe Froch to fight again before a rematch and actually look good while Groves does the same again and the rematch is that bit bigger?  Looking forward to watching the fight back later.  Still and always Team Groves.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 24, 2013, 01:00:53 PM
Still say George should take some time out, maybe get a win under his belt then come back at Froch. That has nothing to do with letting Carl age etc it is just something I think would benefit Groves more at his age etc. 

 I am not going to harp on about the stoppage, at the end of the day Groves proved a lot of people wrong last night and is the name on peoples lips despite the result. 

 I have slated Froch's attitude towards Groves in the build up the whole ten weeks, he has not done a great deal to change that but I take nothing away from his heart and guts.   

I don't doubt Froch would take the rematch, there is nothing to say he would now try and duck Groves despite the beating he took last night.   Maybe Froch to fight again before a rematch and actually look good while Groves does the same again and the rematch is that bit bigger?  Looking forward to watching the fight back later.  Still and always Team Groves.

They're all jumping and the bandwagon with us now mate  ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tyskrum on November 24, 2013, 01:07:17 PM
Wow only 2 points up for Groves, thats exceedingly generous to Froch who was schooled most of the fight.

If Carls jaw is broken I doubt if there will be a rematch either, it may be the end for Froch.

Yeah it might have been generously scored, but I felt there was some quite even rounds that I just gave to the champion. The rounds given to Groves though were usually boxing lessons though and he won them clearly. I truly was neutral in this fight, though now I feel very sorry for Groves who I thought deserved much better. I think Groves would have ended up winning on points had it not been stopped, but he wasn't winning every single round to me. It's easy to score fights wrongly if you're biased, but I wasn't at all.

Does anyone know how the judges scorecards looked when they stopped the fight?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Alba on November 24, 2013, 01:08:50 PM
Froch was losing the fight up to that point, but i still think he would have won it .

Reds comments about groves , are spot on. i know a few folk who have had experiences of groves and he really is a bit of a weasel

all the comments about him and his post fight interview, what the F*ck do you want him to say ? hes a sportsman in proberly one of the toughest sports and did what he had to do

as for the ending , i can understand how the fight was stopped. Look at Groves legs , look at how low he was in that round....


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 01:10:54 PM
Yeah it might have been generously scored, but I felt there was some quite even rounds that I just gave to the champion. The rounds given to Groves though were usually boxing lessons though and he won them clearly. I truly was neutral in this fight, though now I feel very sorry for Groves who I thought deserved much better. I think Groves would have ended up winning on points had it not been stopped, but he wasn't winning every single round to me. It's easy to score fights wrongly if you're biased, but I wasn't at all.

Does anyone know how the judges scorecards looked when they stopped the fight?

One judge had George I think 5 rounds up and the other two judges had him only one round up.

I don't really tend to score fights, least of all when I want a paticular fighter to win so badly but I think I would of had George 2 or 3 up probably.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: wbamitch on November 24, 2013, 01:46:10 PM
Right then.

Fight first.

I've already said I absolutely loved it when Groves game plan from the press conference came off in the first round, I was thinking to myself he's done well there, Froch will take over soon. Never mind. Him landing those two right hands were enough for me. Then the knockdown, Wow!! I was in so much shock, what a shot, as already mentioned that would have knocked out a horse!! Will try not to make it too longwinded. Groves dominated from then on, I can't remember exactly what round it became more even, i'll say 7 but Groves was still putting in a good enough case to take the rounds at the very least competing, I wouldn't say Froch took over the fight before the 9th round.
The Stoppage!!! The Cards!!!! Aarrrggghhhhhh!! Every man and his dog and all that. Simple.
 Froch no doubt had him hurt, big deal, Groves got hurt a bit earlier on an got him back twice as bad to take the round. I think it was 6. (I don't even want to watch it back as it is too sickening to take, so don't quote me on the rounds.) I know its a completely different level but Groves was hurt way more against Anderson. He was still throwing back just moments before, Froch was swinging for the hill and landing a lower percentage than he was missing. Groves was still awkward and aware enough to grab and hold yet still to me looked to have enough in him in to land the equalizer, who's to say what would have happened. Maybe my sheer frustration and outrage makes me a bit bias thinking that Groves could have got Froch big trouble again if he got through that round, hell even in the round. Nobody knows, that's what would have cemented the fight as an all time classic. No way can anybody say Froch would have definitely stopped him in that round, you can't even say he would have definitely floored him. We were robbed of what was already a fantastic story becoming into a sensational back and forth action where you really did not know what would have happened. That would have gone down in history for the right reasons rather than what it has, lets face it those who were rooting for Groves with me and have particularly gone off Froch, his powers of recovery were unreal, credit where its due. You could say even he has been robbed from getting a bit more credit that he warranted with his desire to hang in there after been battered pillow to post.

I expected to have the opposite names for this sentence. Groves absolutely schooled and dominated him, fair play to Froch for hanging in there. Finally on the stoppage, pretty simply, Froch was miles worse in the first round and rocked equally as bad an additional couple of times.

Whether you don't like him or not, it's totally understandable for people to see that as a moral victory for Groves, especially those who know boxing, maybe you had a case for him to compete or land a big shot but for the majority the marker he made in that first round was almost enough in itself and to then go on and not just be in control but dominate. I can say Groves is my winner for in terms of executing his gameplan, overall performance, mental strength and the way he conducted himself like the experienced fighter post fight but it still hurts immensely the sheer heartbreak of the night.

Froch well, I don't like him. A beast I the ring, credit where it's due but he is a P***k or at least from what I have seen since the build up to Kessler 2. I'll take your word that he is a nice person to talk two outside the ring and I bloody hope so. I'll admit I haven't followed his career for half as long as some but after all the praise h gets on here, surely the success has gone to his head. Surely out of all the posts berating him already that some are/were fans who's opinion has changed. I actually felt sorry for him the beating he took in there as I did wish him success before that but he has really cemented himself as someone I will cheer against every fight from now on, I'm sure it won't bother him but I think he lost a few fans last night. I haven't even seen the Ifilm stuff yet so it could get worse and I don't really want to, just seeing his and Eddie's face makes my skin crawl. Added to the sheer outrage of the scorecards and stoppage were the overall favour for Froch in the ring, it's been briefly mentioned but undoubtedly he should have had at least one point taken off which would have been generous.

Anyway, congratulations George Groves, conducted yourself like a champ, wish you every success, optimistically hoping you can get the rematch and knock him clean out this time,  get in done in style and with no body else having the opportunity to take it away from you again.

One of those nights that makes you consider turning your back, i'll still be around for now. As you can see i'm not best pleased and this is me calmed down from last night.  ;)   

I hope this post doesn't get the topic locked again.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: George C on November 24, 2013, 01:49:12 PM
I just hope Gg can find another route and not sign for smug Eddie and matchroom, I cant help but wonder if Groves was under contract the outcome may have been different Froch is matchroom and skys marquee name and just imagine if Groves had won and then say signed with goldenboy promotions?  Any way well done George he proved alot of haters wrong and also showed that mug Degale they are in different leagues.
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Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 24, 2013, 01:55:40 PM
This fight may do monumental damage to Matchroom's relationship with Sky they have agreements to grow Boxing together in the UK and part of that is to get the biggest fights made on UK soil so they can exploit the UK PPV market with there top end fighters but after tonight your never going to see a Bradley, Alexander, Hopkins, Ward and Broner face any Matchroom fighter because this monopoly they have got going is cancerous to the sport in the way of so many terrible officiating and judging performances on a regular basis.
Eddie Hearn is a decent promoter he is clever at what he does but the fans up in Scotland saw Burns opponent robbed of a world title then it happened with Quigg and now Froch's opponent was stopped prematurely after he was giving the home fighter a hell of a beating. There is no way Matchroom can afford to keep being involved in these scandals the forums are awash today with the same things being said words like collusion, corruption and bribery many feel Froch should have been deducted points the amount of fouling he was doing was because he was desperate and had to resort to dirty tricks. I have watched the end of the fight 10 times this morning Groves was still firing back 3 seconds before he was stopped and the ref panicked when he seemed to think GG slumped or fell onto him but he had his arm round GG neck and looked like he had him off balance as he fell onto the ropes. Look at GG legs as soon as its waved off no staggering no indication he was in serious trouble he was outraged as soon as it was waved off because he was still in control of his senses.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 02:02:34 PM
This fight may do monumental damage to Matchroom's relationship with Sky they have agreements to grow Boxing together in the UK and part of that is to get the biggest fights made on UK soil so they can exploit the UK PPV market with there top end fighters but after tonight your never going to see a Bradley, Alexander, Hopkins, Ward and Broner face any Matchroom fighter because this monopoly they have got going is cancerous to the sport in the way of so many terrible officiating and judging performances on a regular basis.
Eddie Hearn is a decent promoter he is clever at what he does but the fans up in Scotland saw Burns opponent robbed of a world title then it happened with Quigg and now Froch's opponent was stopped prematurely after he was giving the home fighter a hell of a beating. There is no way Matchroom can afford to keep being involved in these scandals the forums are awash today with the same things being said words like collusion, corruption and bribery many feel Froch should have been deducted points the amount of fouling he was doing was because he was desperate and had to resort to dirty tricks. I have watched the end of the fight 10 times this morning Groves was still firing back 3 seconds before he was stopped and the ref panicked when he seemed to think GG slumped or fell onto him but he had his arm round GG neck and looked like he had him off balance as he fell onto the ropes. Look at GG legs as soon as its waved off no staggering no indication he was in serious trouble he was outraged as soon as it was waved off because he was still in control of his senses.

That is a fair point in terms of getting names over here, as unlikely as it ever was you have no chance of ward coming to the UK now.

I think groves as boxers go is a pretty honest guy, he says it was a good shot but that he was not hurt and I tend to believe him. He was looking tired but after that effort he had a right too and Carl was also looking sloppy.

Carl's legs were gone after the knockdown, way more than Georges at the time of stoppage.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 24, 2013, 02:04:42 PM
Right joking a side.

You all know I am not Carl Froch's biggest fan, Groves I do like.

In all seriousness, George Groves is a 6 round fighter, like Zab Judah.

For the first 6 rounds, he is going to hurt you and sustain his gameplan and do it well.

After 7 rounds he gasses, Carl Froch is not a superior boxer. He is a very willed and gritty fighter he gets the win and he does it in underdog style pretty much all the time.

When its round 9, you're gassing and slowly loosing the superiority factor of the fight and swelling up bad. Get hurt BADLY. There is no way you're going to last the full 12 rounds with Carl Froch.

I think it was a good stoppage, its do or die for Carl. He would of ko'd George and it wouldn't of been nice.

Round 9 over a minute to go, thats 3 and a half ROUNDS left.

No way Groves was winning that, he was shakey and he doesn't recover. He isn't that natural tough warrior he is a bully boy and Carl would of done what he did v Taylor.

Rounds 9,10,11 and 12 are and have always been Carl Froch's rounds.

15 round fighter old school and will fight to the death, George Groves isn't that unfortunately.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 24, 2013, 02:08:44 PM
Right joking a side.

You all know I am not Carl Froch's biggest fan, Groves I do like.

In all seriousness, George Groves is a 6 round fighter, like Zab Judah.

For the first 6 rounds, he is going to hurt you and sustain his gameplan and do it well.

After 7 rounds he gasses, Carl Froch is not a superior boxer. He is a very willed and gritty fighter he gets the win and he does it in underdog style pretty much all the time.

When its round 9, you're gassing and slowly loosing the superiority factor of the fight and swelling up bad. Get hurt BADLY. There is no way you're going to last the full 12 rounds with Carl Froch.

I think it was a good stoppage, its do or die for Carl. He would of ko'd George and it wouldn't of been nice.

Round 9 over a minute to go, thats 3 and a half ROUNDS left.

No way Groves was winning that, he was shakey and he doesn't recover. He isn't that natural tough warrior he is a bully boy and Carl would of done what he did v Taylor.

Rounds 9,10,11 and 12 are and have always been Carl Froch's rounds.

15 round fighter old school and will fight to the death, George Groves isn't that unfortunately.

I think this post confirms previous suspicions that Gaz Calzaghe is indeed Carls secret account name !!!  :)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 02:13:43 PM
I don't want to see a British ref or judge's in an all biritsh clash again they are open to all the media here and can read everything and i think that played a big part last night all the talk that Groves was chinny and couldn't take a punch caused Foster to panic the first time Carl caught him clean.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 24, 2013, 02:19:33 PM
That is a fair point in terms of getting names over here, as unlikely as it ever was you have no chance of ward coming to the UK now.

I think groves as boxers go is a pretty honest guy, he says it was a good shot but that he was not hurt and I tend to believe him. He was looking tired but after that effort he had a right too and Carl was also looking sloppy.

Carl's legs were gone after the knockdown, way more than Georges at the time of stoppage.

If Sky and HBO made the fight here you could see it generating a lot of money I bet it would do at least 500k SBO PPV's and HBO would also pay a decent fee to showing it over there. I bet both Guys could get £2.5 million each for the fight that is a significant increase in what Ward gets paid fighting at home in front of small crowds with HBO subsidising his pay. No way is Ward fighting here with all this stuff going on its like the Sven Ottke days


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 24, 2013, 02:21:23 PM
I think this post confirms previous suspicions that Gaz Calzaghe is indeed Carls secret account name !!!  :)

You see Jaimie, I personally just think it was an absolute stupid move from his camp to take the fight.

Why not go down the WBO route fight robert stieglitz or Bika for the WBC.

He only done 12 rounds twice, struggled in both stamina wise with them. He would beat both robert stieglitz and Sakio Bika.

Carl Froch is to experienced for a novice, he is going to do what he did last night every time grind you down.

I always said Carl Froch is a very good fighter but not elite, elite fighters are able to stick to there game plans and grind out the win. Ward, Kessler and Calzaghe would of been able to do that.

Groves and the rest of the crop aren't able to do that.

If George fought a few more 12 rounders and developed in to a seasoned pro, so in 12 months times we could re-evaluate where he is at and what he can do for the full 12 then I'm sure he would of beat Froch but as of now. No.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 02:25:57 PM
Right joking a side.

You all know I am not Carl Froch's biggest fan, Groves I do like.

In all seriousness, George Groves is a 6 round fighter, like Zab Judah.

For the first 6 rounds, he is going to hurt you and sustain his gameplan and do it well.

After 7 rounds he gasses, Carl Froch is not a superior boxer. He is a very willed and gritty fighter he gets the win and he does it in underdog style pretty much all the time.

When its round 9, you're gassing and slowly loosing the superiority factor of the fight and swelling up bad. Get hurt BADLY. There is no way you're going to last the full 12 rounds with Carl Froch.

I think it was a good stoppage, its do or die for Carl. He would of ko'd George and it wouldn't of been nice.

Round 9 over a minute to go, thats 3 and a half ROUNDS left.

No way Groves was winning that, he was shakey and he doesn't recover. He isn't that natural tough warrior he is a bully boy and Carl would of done what he did v Taylor.

Rounds 9,10,11 and 12 are and have always been Carl Froch's rounds.

15 round fighter old school and will fight to the death, George Groves isn't that unfortunately.

I am not sure you can reach that conclusion based on last night, he is a fast starter and will inevtibaly drop his work rate some but I think had he conserved a little more last night he could have gone twelve.


Remember stating Carl would have won anyway without the iffy stoppage is pure hypothetical, in the same way that saying had George jumped on Carl more after the knockdown he would of stopped him.


George did what he said he would do, but in many ways for me made the fight harder for himself than needed and could of won rounds by doing less. But he wanted to go in there and ram it down Carl and many others throats that he is not chinny, he is world class and he can beat Carl Froch.

I think he proved that and if you see a rematch made I think the majority would probably be picking Groves in the rematch.

Both guys looked sloppy by the time of the stoppage, Carls jab was little more than a flimsy swing and the accuracy and snap of George's shots had died down a fair bit. Both looked tired, both looked little more than a big shot away from being in serious trouble.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 24, 2013, 02:29:40 PM
Right joking a side.

You all know I am not Carl Froch's biggest fan, Groves I do like.

In all seriousness, George Groves is a 6 round fighter, like Zab Judah.

For the first 6 rounds, he is going to hurt you and sustain his gameplan and do it well.

After 7 rounds he gasses, Carl Froch is not a superior boxer. He is a very willed and gritty fighter he gets the win and he does it in underdog style pretty much all the time.

When its round 9, you're gassing and slowly loosing the superiority factor of the fight and swelling up bad. Get hurt BADLY. There is no way you're going to last the full 12 rounds with Carl Froch.

I think it was a good stoppage, its do or die for Carl. He would of ko'd George and it wouldn't of been nice.

Round 9 over a minute to go, thats 3 and a half ROUNDS left.

No way Groves was winning that, he was shakey and he doesn't recover. He isn't that natural tough warrior he is a bully boy and Carl would of done what he did v Taylor.

Rounds 9,10,11 and 12 are and have always been Carl Froch's rounds.

15 round fighter old school and will fight to the death, George Groves isn't that unfortunately.

Agree with this and a good sensible post.

I fully accept Groves was well ahead but from round 7 the pace dropped and Groves started getting involved in a macho test and there was only going to be one winner of that. Groves was starting to fade and I genuinely think Froch would have stopped him.

Froch looked horrendous for first half of fight, constantly looking to his corner and flicking a 'jab' like he was swatting a fly, completely ineffective! I also can barely recall a solid right that Carl landed until rd 9 but I do believe he would have as George was tired.

Premature stoppage but I believe it prevented the inevitable KO.

Fantastic performance by Groves who has a big future!

Amazing grit, strength, recovery from Carl. Please start acting like the champ you are!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 24, 2013, 02:29:49 PM
Froch has nowhere to go imo. The americans will not travel to the uk to fight him after this and the dirrel fight. So unless he gives up home advantage, his big vegas esk paydays are no more.

I think he may as well retire.

People should be asking themselves, who looked worse froch after the knockdown or groves on his feet.

Froch had legs like bambi on ice. It was like watching khan v garcia.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: legs on November 24, 2013, 02:32:59 PM
If Sky and HBO made the fight here you could see it generating a lot of money I bet it would do at least 500k SBO PPV's and HBO would also pay a decent fee to showing it over there. I bet both Guys could get £2.5 million each for the fight that is a significant increase in what Ward gets paid fighting at home in front of small crowds with HBO subsidising his pay. No way is Ward fighting here with all this stuff going on its like the Sven Ottke days

The fight was stopped too early imo I think Froch would have beaten him thats just my gut feeling but nobody will be able to say 100% what the outcome would have been.

The Burns fight as you said earlier was a disgrace giving that a draw BUT its not like you get a fair deal out in America either unless your Hatton who brings in the money.

Money talks at the end of the day and if Ward got offered double what he'd get in America he'd seriously think about it.

The big name Americans over the last 10-20 years very rarely fight outside of America as they know where they're bread is buttered.

I'd like to Froch v Groves 2 as next fight and personally would stay away from Ward as I just think he is too good for anybody at 168 & probably 175 too at the minute.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 02:38:36 PM
I think Carl would like the Chavez Jnr fight, it could happen in Vegas and Chavez is perfect for him although still a very hard match.


Be interesting to see his next move.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Fightin Irish on November 24, 2013, 02:40:40 PM
Right joking a side.

You all know I am not Carl Froch's biggest fan, Groves I do like.

In all seriousness, George Groves is a 6 round fighter, like Zab Judah.

For the first 6 rounds, he is going to hurt you and sustain his gameplan and do it well.

After 7 rounds he gasses, Carl Froch is not a superior boxer. He is a very willed and gritty fighter he gets the win and he does it in underdog style pretty much all the time.

When its round 9, you're gassing and slowly loosing the superiority factor of the fight and swelling up bad. Get hurt BADLY. There is no way you're going to last the full 12 rounds with Carl Froch.

I think it was a good stoppage, its do or die for Carl. He would of ko'd George and it wouldn't of been nice.

Round 9 over a minute to go, thats 3 and a half ROUNDS left.

No way Groves was winning that, he was shakey and he doesn't recover. He isn't that natural tough warrior he is a bully boy and Carl would of done what he did v Taylor.

Rounds 9,10,11 and 12 are and have always been Carl Froch's rounds.

15 round fighter old school and will fight to the death, George Groves isn't that unfortunately.

Some sense! I thought Groves was 3 rounds up after 8, but I don't think he'd have lasted the round if the ref hadn't stepped in. The stoppage was definitely early, but it was coming!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 24, 2013, 02:41:21 PM
Froch has nowhere to go imo. The americans will not travel to the uk to fight him after this and the dirrel fight. So unless he gives up home advantage, his big vegas esk paydays are no more.

I think he may as well retire.

People should be asking themselves, who looked worse froch after the knockdown or groves on his feet.

Froch had legs like bambi on ice. It was like watching khan v garcia.

No matter what pish Eddie spouts, the only place Froch was ever having a rematch with Ward would be in America so that hasn't changed. He has no chance in that fight unless he lands a bingo punch so may as well rematch Groves.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 24, 2013, 02:42:53 PM
I think Carl would like the Chavez Jnr fight, it could happen in Vegas and Chavez is perfect for him although still a very hard match.


Be interesting to see his next move.

Actually this is the fight I'd like to see as noboby is more deserving of a hiding than Chavez Jr.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 24, 2013, 02:43:27 PM
I'm gutted Groves took this fight like I said many easier options for him to get up there and when the time is right go for it.

Very very stupid move by his camp. He could of been world champion and undefeated when fighting Carl next year.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 02:49:59 PM
Can't see a rematch tbh, but if there was it would certainly be frochs last fight. Groves knows he has the power to hurt him, and the boxing at range to beat him. I think a rematch would probably last 8 rds or so before groves stepped on the gas and stopped Carl.
Carls done enough and should step aside IMO. Lennox Lewis realised when he got out of jail against vitali that Father Time had given him a last pass out, I hope Carl takes the same warning. Carls chin, heart and open defence will see him take too much punishment at the top level should he decide to go on.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 02:50:37 PM
I'm gutted Groves took this fight like I said many easier options for him to get up there and when the time is right go for it.

Very very stupid move by his camp. He could of been world champion and undefeated when fighting Carl next year.

Come on Gaz mate, his performance last night proved he had every reason/right to take the fight.

He was far from outclassed and for the majority of the fight looked like the defending world champion with Froch looking the challenger.

We call guys for being over protected, if we are going to call them for doing things like this then they can never win.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 24, 2013, 02:53:32 PM
I'm gutted Groves took this fight like I said many easier options for him to get up there and when the time is right go for it.

Very very stupid move by his camp. He could of been world champion and undefeated when fighting Carl next year.

And what would happen if Froch had lost to someone like Rodriguez who fought Ward last week. Groves would have been world champion earning peanuts he will have earned at least £500k for last night it was a big step up last night but he showed he belongs at this level.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 02:53:43 PM
Think this is our mate the fight score collectors article, this proves why they took the fight and why they was right to do so.

CONTROVERSIAL endings in boxing matches have been going on since the sport began. To this day, and just about every week, you will read about or watch a fight that has a controversial ending. Saturday night at the Phones 4 U Arena, Manchester 20,000 fans witnessed one of the most controversial conclusions in a British boxing history as referee Howard Foster stopped George Groves 1-32 of the ninth round in his battle against Carl Froch for the WBA and IBF super-middleweight titles.

Groves was no doubt was under pressure from the champion at the time of the stoppage but was swinging punches back before Foster jumped in to signal the end. Straight away the boos from the crowd started, Groves protested at the decision and seemed to be fine as Foster tried to usher him to his corner. Froch celebrated his hard fought win that saw him floored heavily in the first from a right hand that would have knocked out many men. Froch to his credit got up, although very shaky, and managed to get to the bell to end the round.
At the pre-fight press conference Groves told Froch his game plan for the first three rounds. He was planning to catch Froch with two right hands in the first round. I don't think anyone expected one of those right hands to floor Froch so heavily and nearly end the fight. Froch is a warrior and somehow got up and fought back but something didn't look right with "The Cobra." He looked slower than usual and he just couldn't get his punches off. There is no doubt Groves is the faster man but what could have surprised Froch was that Groves stood right in front of Froch actually pushing him back with his jab and right hand, again something Groves told Froch at the press conference.
As the fight continued Groves was landing the bigger punches and continued to push Froch back. Froch would still have his moments but Groves would always answer straight back with his quicker punches. After eight rounds I had Groves 78-73 up (See Full Card Below). Groves was tiring as "The Cobra" took the eighth but the challenger did not look on the brink of defeat. In the ninth both traded huge shots but it was the champion that came out on top as he hurt Groves steering him to the ropes as he jumped in with his hurtful combinations. Groves fought back and tried to hold but Froch landed again and Groves dipped. This is probably why Howard Foster stopped the fight but as Sky Sports' Ed Robinson said afterwards "Froch was hurt more in the first round than Groves was in the ninth."
If the fight would have continued then controversy might have struck anyway, as two of the judges only had Groves one point ahead (76-75) after eight, while the other had it 78-73. This angered many of the fans on the social network platforms as many had Groves 78-73 up, 6-2 in rounds  and you can see below that most of the written press scored similarly.
Below is my scorecard along with 46 press scores who all had Groves winning at the time of stoppage. The press average score has also been added.
46 SCORED FOR GROVES
0 SCORED FOR FROCH
PRESS AVERAGE SCORE : 78-73 GROVES

Bobby Hunter's Scorecard
 
Round 1.... 10-8 Groves.....extra point for Groves due to Knockdown Scored
Round 2.... 10-9 Groves
Round 3.... 10-9 Groves
Round 4.... 10-9 Groves
Round 5.... 9-10 Froch
Round 6.... 10-9 Groves
Round 7.... 10-9 Groves
Round 8.... 9-10 Froch
TOTAL : 78-73 Groves at the time of stoppage
Press Scores

Wolfgand Schiffbauer (Sturm-Promotions) : 78-73 Groves
Corey Quincy (BL Boxing) : 78-73 Groves
Cliff Rold (BoxingScene) : 78-73 Groves
Boxing Opinions : 78-73 Groves
Daniel Vano (CheckHookBoxing) : 77-74 Groves
Adam Abramowitz (SaturdayNight Boxing) : 77-74 Groves
Shaun Brown (Boxing-Monthly) : 78-73 Groves
Alex Morris (BoxingAsylum) : 78-73 Groves
Mike Coppinger (USA Today) : 77-74 Groves
Dan Rafael (spam) : 79-72 Groves
John Wharton (Brit Box Magazine) : 78-73 Groves
Phil D Jay (spam) : 78-73 Groves
Matt Christie (Boxing News) : 78-74 Groves
David Greisman (BoxingScene) : 77-74 Groves
Ron Lewis (The Times) : 77-74 Groves
Tim Starks (The Queensberry Rules) : 78-73 Groves
Kurt Ward (BoxingAsylum) : 78-73 Groves
Billy Ferguson (UKFighthype) : 79-72 Groves
The Boxing Tribune : 78-73 Groves
Danny Flexen (Boxing News) : 77-74 Groves
Paul Daley (TopClassBoxing) : 78-73 Groves
Rachel Aylett (spam) : 78-74 Groves
Steve Bunce (Boxnation TV) : 78-73 Groves
Alex Marasco (TopClassBoxing) : 79-71 Groves
Jamie Borne (TopClassBoxing) : 78-73 Groves
Stevie Adams (TopClassBoxing) : 78-73 Groves
Jim Watt (Sky Sports TV) : 78-73 Groves
Victor M Salazar (ThaBoxingVoice) : 78-73 Groves
Pro Boxing Fans.com : 77-74 Groves
Steve Kim (Maxboxing) : 78-73 Groves
Ryan Bivins (SweetBoxing) : 78-73 Groves
ForzaBoxing : 78-73 Groves
Lyle Fitzsimmons (BoxingScene) : 76-75 Groves
Ciaran Shanks (Irvine Times) : 79-72 Groves
Matthew Mojica (TheFightSource) : 77-74 Groves
Corey Erdman (Wealth TV) : 78-73 Groves
Darren Velasco (FightDomain) : 77-74 Groves
FightHype.com : 78-73 Groves
Christopher Carlson (RopeaDopeRadio) : 78-73 Groves
Ryan Maquinana (BoxingScene) : 77-74 Groves
UKFighthype.com :78-73 Groves
Kasim Aslam (UKFighthype) : 78-73 Groves
FightScene SouthAfrica : 78-73 Groves
Ramon Aranda (3MoreRounds) : 77-74 Groves
BoxingSocialist.com : 77-74 Groves
Beau Denison (TheBoxingTruth) : 78-74 Groves

http://boxingnewsonline.net/latest/blog/the-scorecards-were-kind-to-carl-froch-before-he-stopped-george-groves (http://boxingnewsonline.net/latest/blog/the-scorecards-were-kind-to-carl-froch-before-he-stopped-george-groves)



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 03:00:06 PM
Just watched it again i scored it 78-73 at the time of the stoppage Carl caught him with an uppercut that shook him up Groves went backwards covered up Froch threw about 8 punches and landed 3 of them and Foster jumped in but Groves was still throwing back bad stoppage i thought Groves was winning that round aswell before the stoppage.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: marty-rh on November 24, 2013, 03:00:19 PM
I had it Groves 5 rounds up at the time of stoppage and to be honest, it could've been more in my opinion. Groves dominated from the start. I said a few rounds before the disgraceful stoppage that Frock might well be stopped here. As soon as Groves was in any sort of trouble the referee headlocked and stopped the fight. Crazy stuff!

I use this forum every single day for my boxing news and it's great, but some of the comments I am reading are wild. "Carl would have stopped him", "the stoppage was on its way" Bla Bla Bla.  That's speculation, Groves was dominating and there's no concrete evidence to say that he wouldn't continue to dominate just because Frock had a good round. Boxing is so frustrating and I hate the corruption at times. The judges scorecards were a disgrace as well. Carl didn't do himself any favours in the post fight interview either.

I don't care what anybody says, there were two winners in that ring last night...Eddie Hearn and Sky!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Driscoll on November 24, 2013, 03:01:19 PM
Just watched it back and it looks even worse than it did in the arena.

Froch should've been deducted at least a point. There we're move unanswered pinched in the 6th round when Carl took a leathering and the red didn't even contemplate stepping in. At the time if the stoppage Groves is still throwing and landing punches. It's a criminal stoppage.

Amir Khan vs Maidana springs to mind. Khan took a worse beating but was allowed to hold on while he was on his feet and still moving. He rode it out and won.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Harvey on November 24, 2013, 03:02:13 PM
The BBBoC would like to appologise for their choice of referee for last nights fight.

There were certain they had booked Howard Foster and not Howard the Duck  ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 24, 2013, 03:03:41 PM
Referee Howard Foster 'liked' a comment on his Facebook page predicting a ninth-round win for Carl Froch against George Groves in Manchester, which Groves has retweeted to his Twitter followers.
A comment on Foster's social media page from fan Daniel Coy which read: 'Just watching you at the weigh-in mate! Looking smart!! I'm saying froch in 9th?' was picked up by a Twitter follower and retweeted by Groves after the ninth-round loss to Froch.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2512697/Howard-Foster-likes-comment-predicting-ninth-round-win-Carl-Froch-George-Groves.html#ixzz2lZkgpYPv (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2512697/Howard-Foster-likes-comment-predicting-ninth-round-win-Carl-Froch-George-Groves.html#ixzz2lZkgpYPv)
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Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 03:05:24 PM
Referee Howard Foster 'liked' a comment on his Facebook page predicting a ninth-round win for Carl Froch against George Groves in Manchester, which Groves has retweeted to his Twitter followers.
A comment on Foster's social media page from fan Daniel Coy which read: 'Just watching you at the weigh-in mate! Looking smart!! I'm saying froch in 9th?' was picked up by a Twitter follower and retweeted by Groves after the ninth-round loss to Froch.


Read more: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2512697/Howard-Foster-likes-comment-predicting-ninth-round-win-Carl-Froch-George-Groves.html#ixzz2lZkgpYPv[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2512697/Howard-Foster-likes-comment-predicting-ninth-round-win-Carl-Froch-George-Groves.html#ixzz2lZkgpYPv[/url])
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Seen that, does not help matters does it.




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Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 24, 2013, 03:14:22 PM
Some sense! I thought Groves was 3 rounds up after 8, but I don't think he'd have lasted the round if the ref hadn't stepped in. The stoppage was definitely early, but it was coming!!

Who are you or anyone to say that though, its all opinion. In most peoples opinions Groves didnt belong in the same ring and it was a complete mis-match, now the same people are saying he was going to be stopped anyway so I think Ill take that with a pinch of salt. Its a world title fight ffs not some prospect against a journeyman, he should of been given the opportunity to recover, not for someone to jump in because 'he was going to get stopped anyway'. Carl was way more gone in the first round that Groves was in the 9th, shocking officiating and judging by the reaction all over the internet most agree.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 24, 2013, 03:22:16 PM
Froch thought he won rounds 7th, 8th and 9th I'm sorry but nearly everyone had Groves up by 5 rounds. The scoring was poor and now the ref as liked comments to suggest Froch was going to win in the 9th its almost worthy of a conspiracy. The ref as to be brought to account but after seeing the post fight presser when Froch spoke he is clearly delusional about what happened in the fight.
I have never been so disgusted by a decision in Boxing the IBF and BBBC should look into the scoring and referring of this fight.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 03:26:43 PM
Froch thought he won rounds 7th, 8th and 9th I'm sorry but nearly everyone had Groves up by 5 rounds. The scoring was poor and now the ref as liked comments to suggest Froch was going to win in the 9th its almost worthy of a conspiracy. The ref as to be brought to account but after seeing the post fight presser when Froch spoke he is clearly delusional about what happened in the fight.
I have never been so disgusted by a decision in Boxing the IBF and BBBC should look into the scoring and referring of this fight.

Watching Robert Smith the BBBC aren't going to do anything.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 24, 2013, 03:30:16 PM
Seen that, does not help matters does it.




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not really :D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 24, 2013, 03:33:56 PM
Watching Robert Smith the BBBC aren't going to do anything.

Fitzpatrick said he is sure there was a mandatory 8 count in the rule book which Foster didn't enforce. If the ref as ignored the rules I'm sure GG can ask for a hearing to explain the ref's conduct in the fight which was poor to be fair. He should have deducted points but bottled it on 2 occasions and there as to be a reason why.
To many officials are far to cosy with a certain promoter who is the only one constantly getting them bookings for fights. Do the refs feel a certain loyalty with Matchroom because of all those dates they keep getting and the money they are picking up regularly working on there shows.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Fitzpatrick said he is sure there was a mandatory 8 count in the rule book which Foster didn't enforce. If the ref as ignored the rules I'm sure GG can ask for a hearing to explain the ref's conduct in the fight which was poor to be fair. He should have deducted points but bottled it on 2 occasions and there as to be a reason why.
To many officials are far to cosy with a certain promoter who is the only one constantly getting them bookings for fights. Do the refs feel a certain loyalty with Matchroom because of all those dates they keep getting and the money they are picking up regularly working on there shows.

Definitely agree points should have been taken Carl hit George at least 3 times on the break plus hit him with an elbow aswell and sticking his forearm in George's face.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Blue on November 24, 2013, 03:37:23 PM
Survivor Series is on tonight by the way... PPV ;)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on November 24, 2013, 04:01:49 PM
Right, just got back from Manchester.

Had an absolute blinding time. Got up to Manc early afternoon and did a few boozers. Got to the arena to see Crolla, Lee & Quigg. Decent fights but poor opposition.

The main event was phenomenal. Like most I though the stoppage was wrong. You could argue the ref should have stopped Carl earlier in the fight. Great knockdown from Groves, if there had been longer left in the round I reckon Froch would have been stopped.

Laughable the booing of Groves and the hero status of Carl and then booing of Froch at the end. How do all these Froch fans start booing their man at the end, unless they have simply jumped on the bandwagon. The arena was still 70 % full and Froch was getting ruined when interviewed. Madness, he didn't do anything wrong!

Pleased Groves came across so well. He'll have a decent following now and you can see him selling out 02 / Manc arena etc in the future.

Still amazes me the amount of people smoking in the bogs, pissing in the sinks, the queues for the cubicles.....

Be interesting to see their next moves. Biggest money fight for Froch is surely Groves? Not sure who else could warrant a PPV event unless Ward came over?  Will Groves stick it out until contract with Booth expires. Matchroom will want to lock Groves into a long term deal now.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 04:05:04 PM
Right, just got back from Manchester.

Had an absolute blinding time. Got up to Manc early afternoon and did a few boozers. Got to the arena to see Crolla, Lee & Quigg. Decent fights but poor opposition.

The main event was phenomenal. Like most I though the stoppage was wrong. You could argue the ref should have stopped Carl earlier in the fight. Great knockdown from Groves, if there had been longer left in the round I reckon Froch would have been stopped.

Laughable the booing of Groves and the hero status of Carl and then booing of Froch at the end. How do all these Froch fans start booing their man at the end, unless they have simply jumped on the bandwagon. The arena was still 70 % full and Froch was getting ruined when interviewed. Madness, he didn't do anything wrong!

Pleased Groves came across so well. He'll have a decent following now and you can see him selling out 02 / Manc arena etc in the future.

Still amazes me the amount of people smoking in the bogs, pissing in the sinks, the queues for the cubicles.....

Be interesting to see their next moves. Biggest money fight for Froch is surely Groves? Not sure who else could warrant a PPV event unless Ward came over?  Will Groves stick it out until contract with Booth expires. Matchroom will want to lock Groves into a long term deal now.



Groves now doesn't have a contract with anyone according to an interview he did post fight.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 04:10:20 PM
Groves now doesn't have a contract with anyone according to an interview he did post fight.

Think he was on a 3 fight deal with matchroom with last night being the 3rd fight as much as we all want the rematch as Groves deserves it i'd tell fast car to stick it up his arse and sign with a different promoter but he will probably sign with Eddie because of the sky exposure.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 24, 2013, 04:16:14 PM
Think he was on a 3 fight deal with matchroom with last night being the 3rd fight as much as we all want the rematch as Groves deserves it i'd tell fast car to stick it up his arse and sign with a different promoter but he will probably sign with Eddie because of the sky exposure.

Aye Eddie is the bad guy. Gets Groves a world title shot and career high payday in his 3rd fight working with him. Yeah Groves should definitely go elsewhere  //


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 04:22:20 PM
Aye Eddie is the bad guy. Gets Groves a world title shot and career high payday in his 3rd fight working with him. Yeah Groves should definitely go elsewhere  //

George needed a KO to win that last night and the judges scorecards prove that how Carl can only be one point down while being spanked all over the ring for 7 roundsis a joke it's either ineptness or corruption and it's not the first time it's happened on a matchroom card just look at Burns Beltran, Burns Gonzalez and a few other matchroom cards.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 24, 2013, 04:24:53 PM
Just watched it again, how didn't Froch lose a point? He must have hit on the break 6 or 7 times plus the elbows and forearms


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: wbamitch on November 24, 2013, 04:27:36 PM
Just watched it again, how didn't Froch lose a point? He must have hit on the break 6 or 7 times plus the elbows and forearms

Tell me about it. I counted at least 5 watching it live last night.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 04:27:51 PM
Just watched it again, how didn't Froch lose a point? He must have hit on the break 6 or 7 times plus the elbows and forearms

I wonder...
Same reason the fight was stopped at the earliest point possible.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: KnuckleSandwich on November 24, 2013, 04:28:41 PM
Tell me about it. I counted at least 5 watching it live last night.


 :'(


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 24, 2013, 04:29:23 PM

 :'(

Hi Carl, how's your arse after that heavy fall?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 04:31:34 PM
Hi Carl, how's your arse after that heavy fall?

It fell out at the press conf.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: KnuckleSandwich on November 24, 2013, 04:33:09 PM

He picked it back up and put it back on the mantle piece next to all his WORLD TITLE belts.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Bonters on November 24, 2013, 04:33:52 PM
Well, the conspiracy/corruption theories abound. One thing's for sure, if you want an all action fight with endless excitement, you can do a lot worse than a Froch fight! Magnificent event, a privilege to watch. The result I expected, albeit the route there was unexpected. Groves gets great credit for his performance and received mass sympathy from the Froch supporters for the timing of the stoppage defeat.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mooreman on November 24, 2013, 04:36:53 PM
No fault lies with Carl. However this was a disgrace.

The persistent fouling, the scorecards and the embarrassing stoppage.

Groves actually threw a punch as Foster jumped in, was still alert, hadnt hit the deck and had shown he could take Frochs shots. How anyone could say he'd have stopped him regardless is embarrassing. Groves was winning that round and the fight and deserved a chance. Even if he went down, he'd likely have gotten up, seen out the remaining seconds and regrouped during the break and come out and box.

Also for all we know, Froch may have been at the bottom of the well and was swinging for the fences. I hope Sky and Hearn think its worth it, because they are now known as the rats everyone suspected. Nothing more than a corrupt monopoly, one long con designed to manipulate and control a sport in the region.

The whole thing stank.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 04:39:35 PM
No fault lies with Carl. However this was a disgrace.

The persistent fouling, the scorecards and the embarrassing stoppage.

Groves actually threw a punch as Foster jumped in, was still alert, hadnt hit the deck and had shown he could take Frochs shots. How anyone could say he'd have stopped him regardless is embarrassing. Groves was winning that round and the fight and deserved a chance. Even if he went down, he'd likely have gotten up, seen out the remaining seconds and regrouped during the break and come out and box.

Also for all we know, Froch may have been at the bottom of the well and was swinging for the fences. I hope Sky and Hearn think its worth it, because they are now known as the rats everyone suspected. Nothing more than a corrupt monopoly, one long con designed to manipulate and control a sport in the region.

The whole thing stank.

Thanks for mentioning something I was thinking myself your right only Carl will know if that was a last stand because Groves was handing him his arse again in that round and landed some cracking rights like he had done all throughout the fight.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 04:40:49 PM
He picked it back up and put it back on the mantle piece next to all his WORLD TITLE belts.

Should stick them in the fridge and then apply to all the swollen bits on his face after being battered all over the ring all night.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gadje on November 24, 2013, 04:41:51 PM
The annoying thing is the ref deprived us of knowing who in the end was the better fighter. Groves who technically schooled Froch for most of it, or Froch who was possibly about to do his toughman, come from behind hardman act as he did vs Taylor.
 I do feel sorry for George Groves, but Froch too. It was always likely Groves would get whacked by some big shots at some point. Good champions get passed that though and go on to win. Happens in every sport. George was denied the chance to show that champion mindset by the ref and so was Froch this time with the premature stoppage.
Carl was certainly in the most trouble I've ever seen him in the pro ring.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 04:42:02 PM
He picked it back up and put it back on the mantle piece next to all his WORLD TITLE belts.

I hope he hasn't got an open fire... Paper burns.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 04:47:12 PM
I hope he hasn't got an open fire... Paper burns.

 ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: KnuckleSandwich on November 24, 2013, 04:48:13 PM
I hope he hasn't got an open fire... Paper burns.

I can see the flames still flickering in the shiny adnornments of the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BELTS.

The only paper burning is that of Eddie Hearn lighting a cigar with a £50 note.




Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 04:52:37 PM
I can see the flames still flickering in the shiny adnornments of the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BELTS.

The only paper burning is that of Eddie Hearn lighting a cigar with a £50 note.




Did Howard Foster pass it to Eddie?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: KnuckleSandwich on November 24, 2013, 04:55:10 PM
Did Howard Foster pass it to Eddie?

Why would he give him it back????

 ;) ;D ;)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gadje on November 24, 2013, 04:58:03 PM
Conspiracy my arse!

Stoppage was a ref's bad error. Hearn expected Froch to hammer Groves (as I did  :-[) Why pay bribe money to the ref?


Judges however that's another thing -Ward best stay away from a UK Hearn promotion ;)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 05:05:34 PM
I can see the flames still flickering in the shiny adnornments of the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BELTS.

The only paper burning is that of Eddie Hearn lighting a cigar with a £50 note.




 ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: mooreman on November 24, 2013, 05:18:30 PM
I hope he hasn't got an open fire... Paper burns.

Your a legend Jim :)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 24, 2013, 05:25:39 PM
I hope he hasn't got an open fire... Paper burns.

  ;D

My biggest problem with the stoppage is they were actually clinching when the ref stopped it. George threw, Carl landed a few big shots, they came together then it was stopped while they were leaning on each other.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: wbamitch on November 24, 2013, 05:32:39 PM
The weird thing is I went into the other room while they were doing the announcements and made sure I listened out to who the Ref was and if he was a strong enough one for the occasion. I had a sudden thought of Ian John Lewis for some reason and panicked then I heard Foster and thought ok..................



Obviously Not.

What's Foster's previous if any??

Couldn't think off the top of my head.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 24, 2013, 05:35:54 PM
Lets look at that stoppage - and also these "fouls" that Froch was comitting.

I remember it was Groves sticking the head in first. Then later Jim Watt is saying "Froch might be deducted a point here for that !!" when Groves had hit him in the back of the head in view of the entire north side of the audience.

Even Naz stands up shouting and pointing at Groves. Watt must be as blind as a f**king bat. Then Haling "It's pure desperation he will try anything now !"  ;D complete idiots.

Watch from 3.45 and tell me I'm wrong:


Froch stops Groves (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17jznl)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gaz on November 24, 2013, 05:36:20 PM
I was at the fight last night and I have to say I was shocked by Groves' performance I thought he was brilliant, and for the most part he looked conclusively the more accomplished fighter and he did pretty much everything he said he would do. Yes Froch got dropped hard in the first round but how he didn't go down again from some of the shots he took last night has to be a testimony to Froch's chin and conditioning. It looked to me like everything clean and hard was being landed by Groves and I am shocked at the scorecards and how narrow they were in Groves' favour at the time of the stoppage.

The stoppage itself was a joke as far as I'm concerned. Yes Groves was hit and hurt, yes he was scrapping for a way to survive through the round but he deserved the opportunity to go out on his shield and at least get the opportunity to work his way back into the fight. Froch had started to turn things slightly in his favour by sheer brute force and basically by making it a messy, ugly fight to watch. Maybe Groves got a bit too brave for his own good as he allowed Froch to get close enough to rough him up and if a rematch was ordered I definitely think Groves would pace himself better and ration the good work over a longer period to leave more in the tank to deal with the rough stuff from Froch towards the end of the fight.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 24, 2013, 05:38:12 PM
Just think how mouthwatering the rematch would be ?

Given we have hit 31 pages on this topic already.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 24, 2013, 05:41:04 PM
Lets look at that stoppage - and also these "fouls" that Froch was comitting.

I remember it was Groves sticking the head in first. Then later Jim Watt is saying "Froch might be deducted a point here for that !!" when Groves had hit him in the back of the head in view of the entire north side of the audience.

Even Naz stands up shouting and pointing at Groves. Watt must be as blind as a f**king bat. Then Haling "It's pure desperation he will try anything now !"  ;D complete idiots.

Watch from 3.45 and tell me I'm wrong:


Froch stops Groves ([url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17jznl[/url])


I've always like Jim Watt, knows his stuff  ;D

Groves wasnt innocent but Carl hit on the break over and over again last night


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 24, 2013, 05:49:22 PM
Just think how mouthwatering the rematch would be ?

Given we have hit 31 pages on this topic already.

We might have hit 33 pages if you wasn't deleting some posts which are unkind to your Boy  ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: JOHNJE123 on November 24, 2013, 05:53:43 PM
I was lucky enough to be ringside last night lads. Jesus, what a fight.

Groves was awesome. He gave Froch a lesson. How Carl has the stomach to keep digging in and get through something like that I'll never know.

We all know the stoppage was early. Maybe Groves could have got through but I think it's more like Carl would have got to him in the next round.

The undercard was dogshit.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 05:56:46 PM
Lets look at that stoppage - and also these "fouls" that Froch was comitting.

I remember it was Groves sticking the head in first. Then later Jim Watt is saying "Froch might be deducted a point here for that !!" when Groves had hit him in the back of the head in view of the entire north side of the audience.

Even Naz stands up shouting and pointing at Groves. Watt must be as blind as a f**king bat. Then Haling "It's pure desperation he will try anything now !"  ;D complete idiots.

Watch from 3.45 and tell me I'm wrong:


Froch stops Groves ([url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17jznl[/url])


I don't see Groves sticking the head in to be honest.

He did swing a few to the back of Carl's head but I think that was more being pissed off with fouls occuring against him and nothing happening. Not saying it was right to then hit behind the head but in the heat of the moment I understand getting frustrated.

It is not just Jim Watt calling these fouls Red, even some of Froch's own fans know he was very lucky to not lose some points last night.

Using the inside of him glove to push into Groves face, hitting on the break etc etc.

This entire forum was pretty much pro Froch and anti Groves going into this fight, Carl can not be innocent for so many to see his fouls.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 05:58:18 PM
  ;D

My biggest problem with the stoppage is they were actually clinching when the ref stopped it. George threw, Carl landed a few big shots, they came together then it was stopped while they were leaning on each other.

Exactly, they were both throwing punches and then they clinched.
Where was this 'free shot' that Froch was on about.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 06:00:23 PM
Lets look at that stoppage - and also these "fouls" that Froch was comitting.

I remember it was Groves sticking the head in first. Then later Jim Watt is saying "Froch might be deducted a point here for that !!" when Groves had hit him in the back of the head in view of the entire north side of the audience.

Even Naz stands up shouting and pointing at Groves. Watt must be as blind as a f**king bat. Then Haling "It's pure desperation he will try anything now !"  ;D complete idiots.

Watch from 3.45 and tell me I'm wrong:


Froch stops Groves ([url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17jznl[/url])


Tbh mate I thought Foch had hit groves with an elbow in an earlier rd and started the 'fouling'. Having said that I don't think it was a hugely dirty fight, just one with some needle.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: wbamitch on November 24, 2013, 06:30:27 PM
I don't see Groves sticking the head in to be honest.

He did swing a few to the back of Carl's head but I think that was more being pissed off with fouls occuring against him and nothing happening. Not saying it was right to then hit behind the head but in the heat of the moment I understand getting frustrated.

It is not just Jim Watt calling these fouls Red, even some of Froch's own fans know he was very lucky to not lose some points last night.

Using the inside of him glove to push into Groves face, hitting on the break etc etc.

This entire forum was pretty much pro Froch and anti Groves going into this fight, Carl can not be innocent for so many to see his fouls.

Well said. One or two you get away with but it was pretty constant from Froch last night.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 06:35:48 PM
Froch hit Groves about 4 times after the ref called break he elbowed him in 1 exchange and he pushed his forearm in his face a couple of times that's 5 or 6 fouls right there and the ref just brought them together for a warning 3 times after the 2nd warning points should have started to come off.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Leve Lad on November 24, 2013, 07:10:43 PM
Groves wont have a better chance than he did last night to beat Froch IMO.

Carl was not on top of his game from the first bell. I think he had let George get to him. Carl looked docile and clumsy whereas George was playing it calm and calculated. Some of Carl's shots were embarrassing and he was constantly throwing hay-makers with appalling accuracy.

It always looked liked George was giving it everything he had and there is no doubt at all he was well in front on the cards. Carl IMO boxed a very unprofessional fight but in the end he had enough in him to get the win which is what being the champion is all about. I do think the stoppage was premature but probably only by a few more clean shots with limited reply so it could be argued that the ref did the right thing.

In a rematch I think Carl would be more than aware of George's capabilities and more importantly wouldn't let him get under his skin before the first bell.

I think Carl would knock him out before the sixth round in a rematch.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 07:11:25 PM
Really enjoyed listening to Fitzpatrick over the course of this fight, hope we see more of him.

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/boxing/9040111/fitzpatrick-furious-at-referee-decision (http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/boxing/9040111/fitzpatrick-furious-at-referee-decision)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
Last night had the feel of Bradley Provodnikov to me in the fact that everytime George landed right hands after the knockdown Carl looked buzzed but he managed to stick in and eventually got the W still wasn't the best of circumstances and i'm still not sure George was as hurt as Foster tried to say he was he took 3 flush shots yes but he was still there firing back and knew where he was i thought the ref could only stop the fight if he was in no condition to continue? Throwing back and trying to move off the ropes to me says he was fine to continue.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: wbamitch on November 24, 2013, 07:33:50 PM
Groves wont have a better chance than he did last night to beat Froch IMO.

Carl was not on top of his game from the first bell. I think he had let George get to him. Carl looked docile and clumsy whereas George was playing it calm and calculated. Some of Carl's shots were embarrassing and he was constantly throwing hay-makers with appalling accuracy.

It always looked liked George was giving it everything he had and there is no doubt at all he was well in front on the cards. Carl IMO boxed a very unprofessional fight but in the end he had enough in him to get the win which is what being the champion is all about. I do think the stoppage was premature but probably only by a few more clean shots with limited reply so it could be argued that the ref did the right thing.

In a rematch I think Carl would be more than aware of George's capabilities and more importantly wouldn't let him get under his skin before the first bell.

I think Carl would knock him out before the sixth round in a rematch.

To me that's what I see with Carl most of his fights with that awkward style that bamboozles opponents and himself sometimes, he is that kind of a fighter. For me Groves did an excellent job like he said he would of exploiting and taking advantage of the weaknesses to Carls game. Despite being a strength sometimes, of course when you swing wild like he does it can leave you open. Not just last night but a few other fights I have seen the same kind of erratic punches from Carl and almost laughed but most of the time he still gets the job done. The main thing Carl did wrong last night was not assert the jab like he did in Kessler 2, I actually believe he does that next fight should it happen and gets the early rounds in the bag which would be the platform he needs to really ruffle George's game plan. Last night I think he just went in straight away with the intention of just swarming all over George thinking he could really be the boss and do what he likes. 

I think they both improve next time which makes the fight even better. Hopefully it happens.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 24, 2013, 08:11:08 PM
Froch is very lucky he wasn't deducted a point. On one occasion he desperately threw a blatant forearm smash into groves face. It was a desperate action from a very desperate man who had lost almost every round against a fighter who schooled him in only his first world level fight.

Skillz pays the bills unless the refs had a backhander. Groves was better in every department and froch was a deer in headlights. I really don't know where froch can hide right now if a rematch is not made. Any other fight will be a non event.

I'm sure many will be looking forward to the next george groves fight though.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Driscoll on November 24, 2013, 08:18:16 PM
In the post fight interview Carl said Foster stopped it because he had a free shot and it was potentially dangerous. But he wasn't too worried about that when he was hitting after the break.

Post fight interviews can be written off to a degree when a guy has been in a tough fight, but comments like "that's why everyone loves me" don't really do much for your PR.

All in all still a massive Froch fan, and too be honest have massive respect for George Groves and really hope he becomes a world champion as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 08:32:39 PM
A lot of people are talking like it was some different version of Carl Froch than we usually see. I don't think it was a case of that at all, just that Groves unlike the majority of Carls opponents refused to stand infront of him and allow him the swing away.

It was the same Carl Froch but he was given a different set of questions to usual that completely ruined his strengths.

I said it before the fight that Carl's best wins are against guys who do basically what he likes/wants them to do, and that Groves with his movement and footwork would pose him the same troubles as those who have either beat Carl or he scraped past.

Wild shots, poor footwork etc are what you will see in almost any Carl Froch fight, the likes of Kessler, Abraham, Johnson will all stand there and try and match him but Groves instead boxed him and it worked to almost perfection.

You won't see a better Carl Froch next time, he might land a big shot sooner with a bit of luck but he will hardly turn into the next Ray Leonard which he never has been.

He is excellent at what he does and being a hard as nails certainly helps him, but boxers had exposed him in before and one did for pretty much the entire night last night.

I said it before and I will say it again that Carl's rise to fame shares similarities with Pacquiao, they both came to the big time beating guys who fought styles that complimented there own.

Both great fighters still and there styles do make them fun to watch.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 24, 2013, 08:42:39 PM
A lot of people are talking like it was some different version of Carl Froch than we usually see. I don't think it was a case of that at all, just that Groves unlike the majority of Carls opponents refused to stand infront of him and allow him the swing away.

It was the same Carl Froch but he was given a different set of questions to usual that completely ruined his strengths.

I said it before the fight that Carl's best wins are against guys who do basically what he likes/wants them to do, and that Groves with his movement and footwork would pose him the same troubles as those who have either beat Carl or he scraped past.

Wild shots, poor footwork etc are what you will see in almost any Carl Froch fight, the likes of Kessler, Abraham, Johnson will all stand there and try and match him but Groves instead boxed him and it worked to almost perfection.

You won't see a better Carl Froch next time, he might land a big shot sooner with a bit of luck but he will hardly turn into the next Ray Leonard which he never has been.

He is excellent at what he does and being a hard as nails certainly helps him, but boxers had exposed him in before and one did for pretty much the entire night last night.

I said it before and I will say it again that Carl's rise to fame shares similarities with Pacquiao, they both came to the big time beating guys who fought styles that complimented there own.

Both great fighters still and there styles do make them fun to watch.

That's the point I made in another thread, Froch always looks clumsy, realistically he's achieved more that he maybe warrants ability wise because he's a hard bastard of a man who'll eat shots all day.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on November 24, 2013, 08:46:45 PM
Groves was the better fighter clearly . The ref should not ever be in a championship fight , groves fought back and covered up which rules out the stoppage.

Froch got a gift but i still think groves stock raised up from last nights fight .


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 24, 2013, 08:56:37 PM
Groves was the better fighter clearly . The ref should not ever be in a championship fight , groves fought back and covered up which rules out the stoppage.

Froch got a gift but i still think groves stock raised up from last nights fight .

It did mate, but rightfully his arm should have raised aswell.

Where people get this image of groves stumbling around with his arms by his side is beyond me... He had both hands up until the ref pulled them down and got him in a sleeper hold.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on November 24, 2013, 09:12:55 PM
It did mate, but rightfully his arm should have raised aswell.

Where people get this image of groves stumbling around with his arms by his side is beyond me... He had both hands up until the ref pulled them down and got him in a sleeper hold.

Yup , his hands were up as well .. What drives me crazy is that when a fighter is hurt, what do you expect from him ? Ofcourse he won't be balanced but hey he did all the right moves to stay in the fight and continue and his awareness after the stoppage was very good .

Atleast give him a standing 8 count so you can see his eyes and face to see if he can continue .


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 24, 2013, 09:27:05 PM

If the rematch can't be made than maybe froch's best opponent should be degale or eubank jr.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 24, 2013, 09:41:35 PM
If the rematch can't be made than maybe froch's best opponent should be degale or eubank jr.

Eubank Jnr?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Gadje on November 24, 2013, 09:50:56 PM
Eubank Jnr?
irony


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 24, 2013, 09:59:38 PM
irony

Yes. Well froch said he was levels above grove but degale performed much better against groves than froch did. So why not give degale a shout.

Eubank jr because marketable options are running out.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The Flaccid Member on November 24, 2013, 10:34:28 PM

Cracking pic, 19 fights, in the bloke has some serious gonads

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ3pmkdCUAAJVug.jpg:large


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 10:45:37 PM
Does anyone think Adam Booth in the corner things might have been different? I think he could have calmed george down a little between 7 and 8 when he started to fall into Froch's fight.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 24, 2013, 11:02:10 PM
Does anyone think Adam Booth in the corner things might have been different? I think he could have calmed george down a little between 7 and 8 when he started to fall into Froch's fight.

I'm not sure, it's a double edges sword. He may he kept Groves more composed there, but I suspect he'd have reined George in more early on too so he wouldn't have put Carl on the back foot which is what was winning him the fight


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 24, 2013, 11:05:23 PM
I'm not sure, it's a double edges sword. He may he kept Groves more composed there, but I suspect he'd have reined George in more early on too so he wouldn't have put Carl on the back foot which is what was winning him the fight

Nah i think putting Carl on the backfoot was always the gameplan because George and Adam have said they were working on this for a while so i'd guess George was pretty close to the same game plan with Paddy i just think he would have kept him more composed the later the fight went.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 24, 2013, 11:18:12 PM
Cracking pic, 19 fights, in the bloke has some serious gonads

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ3pmkdCUAAJVug.jpg:large

Nice. Walks into the lions den against a chorus of boo's, slaps the lion in the face and walks out on a standing ovation.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 24, 2013, 11:51:51 PM
I'm not sure, it's a double edges sword. He may he kept Groves more composed there, but I suspect he'd have reined George in more early on too so he wouldn't have put Carl on the back foot which is what was winning him the fight

Basically this.

I think George got a little over confident at times and forced things without having any need too and maybe Adam would of called him for that.

That being said I have no idea what Paddy was saying in the corner as I could not hear from my seat and the only video of the fight I have seen is one where it basically skips the minute inbetween rounds.

Taken to Fitzpatrick though, like listening to what he has to say.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 25, 2013, 12:11:29 AM
Cracking pic, 19 fights, in the bloke has some serious gonads

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ3pmkdCUAAJVug.jpg:large

awesome pic! i loved it when he did that! total respect


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 25, 2013, 12:15:29 AM
Basically this.

I think George got a little over confident at times and forced things without having any need too and maybe Adam would of called him for that.

That being said I have no idea what Paddy was saying in the corner as I could not hear from my seat and the only video of the fight I have seen is one where it basically skips the minute inbetween rounds.

Taken to Fitzpatrick though, like listening to what he has to say.

Yeah i like Paddy aswell haven't heard what was said in the corner either as i was with my cousin and my other cousins bf last night so alot of roaring and talking going on and the sbo repeats dont show much of the corner stuff it was just a question about Booth that was gonna be asked eventually so i figured i'd get there first.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: dannffc on November 25, 2013, 12:39:03 AM
Don't really understand the slating of Carl on here. Championship Boxing is 12 rounds with the WINNER determined by either stoppage or by the judges scorecards. Groves was excellent, but being excellent doesn't always get you the W in boxing. Plenty of fighters are up on the cards when they are stopped, so what? Let's (for arguments sake) say the following happened;
9th Round - Carl continued his assault and had the opportunity for at least a 10-8 round, he then wins 10, 11 and 12. That would be a 5 point switch. Can anyone really say that that couldn't have happened? Look at 99% of Carl's fights, he always finishes strong, and Groves had only ever been 12 rounds twice. We all agree that it was probably a mistake by the ref to jump in so quick, but how Carl can be blamed and take some pretty strong and unjust criticism for being the style of fighter he is reeks of sour grapes. The ref made a decision that meant both fighters left the ring healthy and strong (bar some pretty heavy damage to both) with one of the fighters reputation enhanced and somehow the other being blamed for being a strong and powerful 12 round fighter. It seems to be fashionable to write Carl off now just because there are some fast hands about who've given him hell, it means nothing. Boxing isn't a beauty contest, and somebody can do nothing for 11 rounds of every fight they have - so long as they stop the guy in the 12th and have a perfect record. History says Carl got the W so get over yourselves. Groves won a lot of fans last night for his boxing ability, and Carl appears to have lost some because he didn't walk through him in 3 rounds.

Most "pundits" seemed to say before the fight that Groves will start well and probably win many of the rounds in the first half of the fight and then Carl would probably step it up later on and have too much for him. So isn't that what actually happened? We've all been robbed of being able to look back at the fight and enjoy a brilliant display from Groves and then to (probably) have seen the warrior we know as Carl Froch again digging deep to force a stoppage through sheer determination, fitness and heart. The slagging off of him on here is cheap and nasty and doesn't sit well with me, and anyone coming out with "Groves would have recovered and held on and won convincingly" is predicting that based upon what? Yes, he hurt Carl several times in the fight, but Carl was there, stood in front of him and throwing. When Groves got stopped he had virtually turned his back and free shots were seconds away. Who knows what that would have led to? But what is for sure is that he fights again, is healthy and strong and won the respect of all last night for his ability.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Hotdog on November 25, 2013, 12:51:29 AM
I don't think people turned on Froch for his style. It was for originally not shaking Groves hand. That's when the boo's first went up in the stadium and then it was because of his interviews.

I also don't understand why all the Froch fans are saying he probably would of stopped him in the next few rounds. If Groves could of lasted that round out, who knows what would of happened after? If he continued to box how he was, then Froch was looking stronger. That said though, after being hurt, George may of been on his toes more in order to preserve himself. The fact is we won't know and those saying Froch probably would of KO'd him are the same who didnt give Groves a chance in the first place.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: dannffc on November 25, 2013, 01:18:44 AM
I don't think people turned on Froch for his style. It was for originally not shaking Groves hand. That's when the boo's first went up in the stadium and then it was because of his interviews.

I also don't understand why all the Froch fans are saying he probably would of stopped him in the next few rounds. If Groves could of lasted that round out, who knows what would of happened after? If he continued to box how he was, then Froch was looking stronger. That said though, after being hurt, George may of been on his toes more in order to preserve himself. The fact is we won't know and those saying Froch probably would of KO'd him are the same who didnt give Groves a chance in the first place.

Both boxers and the paying public were done a disservice by the referee. I'm not sure what people expected Carl to say about it. Did you think he was going to say it was definitely too early and the ref was a joke? I spoke at length to 2 of the judges afterwards, it was interesting to say the least. What I can say on here is that one of them said he could see that Groves eyes had rolled and that was his (the refs) reason for stepping in. Looking at the refs position, it was all wrong, it was maybe the last thing he saw of Groves face before then virtually being behind him and stopping the fight. He hadn't saw that he had recovered to a degree. His last face shot was his eyes rolling. It was premature and hurts Carl as much as anyone. He had HIS opportunity to turn the fight around taken away and Groves his opportunity to outclass a World Champion curtailed. We should be proud to have these 2 representing us in the SM division and they both are talented and different fighters who are a match for anyone. Carl has also "made up" with Groves and in several further interviews said what everyone could see from last nights performance - that he will, no doubt, become a world champion and has a great future.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: deno on November 25, 2013, 06:00:51 AM
From where I was sitting I honestly thought Carl was getting stopped. It's the most tired I've seen him looking in all his fights and thought he was getting weaker not stronger. A lot on here are saying he gets stronger in fights so he would have stopped him sooner or later. Don't mean it would have happened last night


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 25, 2013, 09:18:34 AM
I felt bad for a moment when he didn't shake his hand - and that was compacted by Groves breaking down and sobbing on the cameras.

(Are you gonna cry Carl ? he is gonna cry  ;) )

But upon reflection I actually applaud Froch. Not for the refusal, but for something much bigger - and that is standing up and saying "f*** off , I dont like you and I am not shaking your hand"

Personally I would have shaken it. I didn't like it when he didn't but I respect him for being honest.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: MFC_SE15 on November 25, 2013, 09:25:02 AM
I felt bad for a moment when he didn't shake his hand - and that was compacted by Groves breaking down and sobbing on the cameras.

(Are you gonna cry Carl ? he is gonna cry  ;) )

But upon reflection I actually applaud Froch. Not for the refusal, but for something much bigger - and that is standing up and saying "f*** off , I dont like you and I am not shaking your hand"

Personally I would have shaken it. I didn't like it when he didn't but I respect him for being honest.

Is it being honest or just being petty? I don't think anyone expects them to be best mates and straight after the fight sharing a meal and a couple of beers. But I think when someone has just shared a ring with you and gone toe to toe, despite you saying your levels above them and how they will run the least you can do is a quick handshake and a slap on the back, that is all it takes.

It just looks pathetic not to in my opinion.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 25, 2013, 09:32:35 AM
Poor form Red, he should of been the bigger man even if he felt aggrieved by the Pre fight nonsense which of course it was.

He will regret it I have no doubt about that, his popularity will have dropped because of it which is a shame as he is a good guy and a real warrior.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Buckers on November 25, 2013, 10:37:11 AM
A lot of people are talking like it was some different version of Carl Froch than we usually see. I don't think it was a case of that at all, just that Groves unlike the majority of Carls opponents refused to stand infront of him and allow him the swing away.

It was the same Carl Froch but he was given a different set of questions to usual that completely ruined his strengths.

I said it before the fight that Carl's best wins are against guys who do basically what he likes/wants them to do, and that Groves with his movement and footwork would pose him the same troubles as those who have either beat Carl or he scraped past.

Wild shots, poor footwork etc are what you will see in almost any Carl Froch fight, the likes of Kessler, Abraham, Johnson will all stand there and try and match him but Groves instead boxed him and it worked to almost perfection.

You won't see a better Carl Froch next time, he might land a big shot sooner with a bit of luck but he will hardly turn into the next Ray Leonard which he never has been.

He is excellent at what he does and being a hard as nails certainly helps him, but boxers had exposed him in before and one did for pretty much the entire night last night.

I said it before and I will say it again that Carl's rise to fame shares similarities with Pacquiao, they both came to the big time beating guys who fought styles that complimented there own.

Both great fighters still and there styles do make them fun to watch.

Can't argue with this post. Well said.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 25, 2013, 10:37:49 AM
If anyone had a reason to not shake hands it is George, his big chance and all his great work had just been taken from him in one rushed poor decision.

If he struggled to do so when he won, god knows how Carl would of reacted being in Georges shoes.

And Dan, if those judges you spoke too are the same who only had Carl a round down I'd not read too much into there comments.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Socrates on November 25, 2013, 11:09:08 AM
Having read through this and Facebook I'm amazed at the vitriol thrown at Froch and equally surprised at the people throwing it. People have been to his fights and who were fans.

Carl Froch wasn't the one who stopped the fight prematurely. Yes he said some slightly silly things after the fight, but he's a prickly character and the immediate aftermath of somebody being punched in the face for 20 minutes is never the best time to get a detailed, reasoned analysis. I've no problem with him not shaking hands - whether you agree or disagree with the reasons Froch doesn't like Groves. He can respect him as a fighter but not like him as a man.

Carl Froch has given British fight fans some wonderful nights and the fickleness being shown is actually a bit embarrasing. It's been awful on here these last few weeks and I suspect it's going to be worse going forward. Some perspective needed on both sides.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: TC on November 25, 2013, 11:09:33 AM
Can I just ask, how is no-one talking about the sixth? What an unbelievable three minutes of action that was! I got goosebumps watching that back yesterday morning. Groves couldn't miss with that right hand and somehow Carl took them. Then Groves drops his hands and waves Carl in! Truly amazing stuff.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The Hurricane on November 25, 2013, 11:20:47 AM
Having read through this and Facebook I'm amazed at the vitriol thrown at Froch and equally surprised at the people throwing it. People have been to his fights and who were fans.

Carl Froch wasn't the one who stopped the fight prematurely. Yes he said some slightly silly things after the fight, but he's a prickly character and the immediate aftermath of somebody being punched in the face for 20 minutes is never the best time to get a detailed, reasoned analysis. I've no problem with him not shaking hands - whether you agree or disagree with the reasons Froch doesn't like Groves. He can respect him as a fighter but not like him as a man.

Carl Froch has given British fight fans some wonderful nights and the fickleness being shown is actually a bit embarrasing. It's been awful on here these last few weeks and I suspect it's going to be worse going forward. Some perspective needed on both sides.

To quote Scott Adams "You can never underestimate the stupidity of the general public".  I think the lack of perspective from the people now slagging Froch stems from their own embarressment at buying into the forced narative that Groves was somehow out of line in the build up.  Instead of accepting they were suckered they are venting on Froch because he didn't do what they thought he would. 


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: presa on November 25, 2013, 11:22:48 AM
Having read through this and Facebook I'm amazed at the vitriol thrown at Froch and equally surprised at the people throwing it. People have been to his fights and who were fans.

Carl Froch wasn't the one who stopped the fight prematurely. Yes he said some slightly silly things after the fight, but he's a prickly character and the immediate aftermath of somebody being punched in the face for 20 minutes is never the best time to get a detailed, reasoned analysis. I've no problem with him not shaking hands - whether you agree or disagree with the reasons Froch doesn't like Groves. He can respect him as a fighter but not like him as a man.

Carl Froch has given British fight fans some wonderful nights and the fickleness being shown is actually a bit embarrasing. It's been awful on here these last few weeks and I suspect it's going to be worse going forward. Some perspective needed on both sides.

because he was a complete arsehole in the build up an arsehole for not showing decency and accepting a handshake. He was also talking complete shite in the post fight interview.

Amazing how carl went from hero to zero in one bout. George done himself proud and is rightfully one of the best smw's in the world.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaff_no1 on November 25, 2013, 11:24:30 AM
Having read through this and Facebook I'm amazed at the vitriol thrown at Froch and equally surprised at the people throwing it. People have been to his fights and who were fans.

Carl Froch wasn't the one who stopped the fight prematurely. Yes he said some slightly silly things after the fight, but he's a prickly character and the immediate aftermath of somebody being punched in the face for 20 minutes is never the best time to get a detailed, reasoned analysis. I've no problem with him not shaking hands - whether you agree or disagree with the reasons Froch doesn't like Groves. He can respect him as a fighter but not like him as a man.

Carl Froch has given British fight fans some wonderful nights and the fickleness being shown is actually a bit embarrasing. It's been awful on here these last few weeks and I suspect it's going to be worse going forward. Some perspective needed on both sides.
Agreed - the booing afterwards was ridiculous. All those people who claim to be fans of his who were slating him on facebook and on here are just looking to jump off the Froch band wagon and onto the Groves one. Especially people who have followed him abroad now criticising him for not shaking his hand. Like you said Socrates - fickle


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 25, 2013, 11:25:21 AM
I think if Froch had seen him off, then he would have shook his hand there and then. Once a fighter has "done a job" on an opponent, they go from wanting to destroy someone to feeling concerned for the fallen opponent.

He didn't and was completely pent up still.

One minute Froch is trying to cave his head in, 45 sec later he is expected to shake his hand ?

After a few more minutes had passed and his temperature went down then he was thinking straight again. At the end of the day it's easy to type this is wrong / that is wrong - but this a fight, a proper proper fight and not some sporting event. It was 2 men going at it bigstyle.

I didn't sit well with me, he wont be winning the BBC sportsman of the year either off the back of that - but I give him a pass 100% because he is the guy in the ring.



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Socrates on November 25, 2013, 11:26:36 AM
because he was a complete arsehole in the build up an arsehole for not showing decency and accepting a handshake. He was also talking complete shite in the post fight interview.

Amazing how carl went from hero to zero in one bout. George done himself proud and is rightfully one of the best smw's in the world.



I'm amazed you can type coherently with such tinted glasses. You don't like the guy; you've made that very clear.

As a person I think he's a bit spikey and at times I find him a bit odd. But I respect him as a fighter and admire what he's achieved.

This is a by-product of a promoter who runs his shows like it's an episode of The a Only Way is Essex by the way. People get too emotionally involved and start acting like teenage girls.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: presa on November 25, 2013, 11:33:54 AM
I'm amazed you can type coherently with such tinted glasses. You don't like the guy; you've made that very clear.

As a person I think he's a bit spikey and at times I find him a bit odd. But I respect him as a fighter and admire what he's achieved.

This is a by-product of a promoter who runs his shows like it's an episode of The a Only Way is Essex by the way. People get too emotionally involved and start acting like teenage girls.

this is a sport and didnt act in sporting conduct before, in the fight using elbows etc and afterwards.

Groves has surpassed himself with what he did and earned the respect of the people. He was cheered and your superstar was booed to high heaven. Says something doesnt it.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 25, 2013, 11:35:08 AM
Having read through this and Facebook I'm amazed at the vitriol thrown at Froch and equally surprised at the people throwing it. People have been to his fights and who were fans.

Carl Froch wasn't the one who stopped the fight prematurely. Yes he said some slightly silly things after the fight, but he's a prickly character and the immediate aftermath of somebody being punched in the face for 20 minutes is never the best time to get a detailed, reasoned analysis. I've no problem with him not shaking hands - whether you agree or disagree with the reasons Froch doesn't like Groves. He can respect him as a fighter but not like him as a man.

Carl Froch has given British fight fans some wonderful nights and the fickleness being shown is actually a bit embarrasing. It's been awful on here these last few weeks and I suspect it's going to be worse going forward. Some perspective needed on both sides.

Kev pal who has blamed Carl for the stoppage? I have genuinly not seen anyone do that and the ref has rightly copped most of the flack I have seen.





Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Socrates on November 25, 2013, 11:36:23 AM
Kev pal who has blamed Carl for the stoppage? I have genuinly not seen anyone do that and the ref has rightly copped most of the flack I have seen.





The way people have reacted it's like they blame Froch.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Socrates on November 25, 2013, 11:38:19 AM
your superstar

Grow up.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaff_no1 on November 25, 2013, 11:38:36 AM
People are going on about Froch being deducted points, did anyone not see Groves hit behind the head, constantly hold Carl's left arm and use the head.

In fact one time Carl was unloading on Groves and the ref jumped in to stop to warn Groves about hitting behind the head


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: westbo on November 25, 2013, 11:42:12 AM
Think Eddie would be stupid not to get rematch out of this, it would be absolutely huge the amount of talk this fight has raised it just has to happen... There's no two ways about it froch was made to look stupid  for a large part of that fight and it was a pathetic stoppage surely that cannot be argued we were robbed of the true ending to that fight.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 25, 2013, 11:45:31 AM
The way people have reacted it's like they blame Froch.

I don't think so.

Not to blow my own trumpet but I think many seen in Froch post fight what I and no doubt others had been saying for weeks in the build up about how Carl conducts himself.

Nobody has attempted to discredit what he has done in boxing because you can't discredit it, nobody has denied he is any tougher than we all give him credit for prior to the fight.

We can all view things different ways, but his refusal to shake George's hand after the fight was shocking imo. There have been far more bitter and intense rivalries than this one in which the guys have said fair play to each other afterwards.

Degale and Groves contained more shit talk than this fight for me, but George still had the class after the fight to go over to James who did not really want to know.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: presa on November 25, 2013, 11:47:11 AM
Grow up.

Carls words ;)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 25, 2013, 11:48:20 AM
People are going on about Froch being deducted points, did anyone not see Groves hit behind the head, constantly hold Carl's left arm and use the head.

In fact one time Carl was unloading on Groves and the ref jumped in to stop to warn Groves about hitting behind the head

I seen him hit behind the head, but genuinly can't say I seen much in terms of foul play as to how George used his own head.


Not being biased or anything but I said to Red yesterday also that I do not see George using the head as he and now you have pointed out.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Faulks on November 25, 2013, 12:46:33 PM
Carls words ;)


Did you make the fight?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: bigbibbs on November 25, 2013, 12:52:05 PM
The Froch Fight played out almost exactly as i said it would.

I knew Groves would make Carl look like a mug and he did.  Carl has so many flaws he is easily exposed.

If it wasn't for his mammoth like chin he would be curtains.

Groves did much better than i thought he would actually do though.  If he didn't get stopped when he did then he probably would have been stopped soon enough.

But there again who knows?  He would probably have changed tactics and just avoided going for the KO and played it ou on points.

I did say it could be a case of boy v man and the man not being able to handle the boy.

Well the boy became a man on Saturday!  Good luck to either getting a re-match though!  Feel Carl will not want any part of it and already that seems to be the message he is sendign out.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Terrible on November 25, 2013, 02:12:53 PM
My honest thoughts were that the whole thing was very strange. Why was Eddie Hearn in Froch's changing room moments before the bout when he promotes both. Why was John McDonald putting more emphasis into his voice when announcing Froch. Why the first time Groves legs shook was the fight stopped? How did 2 judges only have 1 round in it?

Most excited I've been during a fight for some time I did fancy groves from the start. Fair play to Froch he's a hard hard man. But that was Groves night on Sat and I believe he may have taken a count in round 9 and potentially seen it out. Not really interested in a rematch to be honest.

The thing that pissed me off the most with the whole thing was Froch selective memory. He used to gain publicity constantly from slating Calzaghe when he was a young nobody and now that he's getting some back himself Groves is disrespectful? Groves was the better man on Saturday but I did enjoy the fight till the stoppage. Is like to see Froch retire now and see George take on Ward 5-6 fights down the line.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The Saint on November 25, 2013, 02:45:45 PM
Well,

Now I've slept on it I cannot understand why Howard Foster didn't administer the 8-count.

Terrible refereeing and again, it's the fighters and fans that are left in the lurch. It's compacted by the fact people paid for the fight.

It's a pity they don't point that high-powered opinion at the ref instead of everyone bar Groves.





There is no standing 8 count under IBF and WBA rules.

Hearn has today said that neither man will fight anybody else before a May/June rematch which Groves will win.
Groves is young and will adapt, Carl is so one dimensional and predictable that it wont last long next time.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The Saint on November 25, 2013, 02:48:52 PM
http://talksport.com/boxing/exclusive-hearn-froch-and-groves-wont-fight-anyone-else-re-match-13112569433 (http://talksport.com/boxing/exclusive-hearn-froch-and-groves-wont-fight-anyone-else-re-match-13112569433)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: presa on November 25, 2013, 02:49:37 PM
Did you make the fight?



no was working pal.. Did you?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: KnuckleSandwich on November 25, 2013, 02:54:39 PM
[url]http://talksport.com/boxing/exclusive-hearn-froch-and-groves-wont-fight-anyone-else-re-match-13112569433[/url] ([url]http://talksport.com/boxing/exclusive-hearn-froch-and-groves-wont-fight-anyone-else-re-match-13112569433[/url])





It says there he wants to have it in a Football Stadium, - please no! I remember the Hatton at the Etihad 'event'.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 25, 2013, 03:39:30 PM
I respect Froch for what he done in the ring but his conduct throughout the buildup to this was poor IMO Groves didn't do nothing wrong apart from tell Carl he was going to beat him and telling him exactly what he was going to do and for large parts on saturday he made Froch look silly.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Driscoll on November 25, 2013, 07:49:24 PM
Punch resistance is something that disappears from all fighters sooner or later. Carls punch resistance is phenomenal and I would say that goes hand in hand with his excellent conditioning. Being a natural SMW and living clean he doesn't have to break his back to make weight which goes along way to prolonging any fighters career.

Carl has never really been a fighter that pays too much attention to defence and I think his awkward style has counterbalanced that through his career. But I think it would be safe to say recently his reflexes have started to decline slightly, but his chin and engine keep him at the top of his game.

Is punch resistance something that goes overnight, the consequence of one too many wars. Or is it something that goes gradually?

Is anyone worried that Carls is a bit of a ticking time bomb in that respect? He keeps pulling these brilliant displays out of the bag and defying logic so I'm not knocking him or picking holes in the current version because he seems unstoppable. I'm just curious to hear if anyone thinks it's time to weigh up the odds and cash in his chips, or has he still got a lot more of these wars in him?



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: KnuckleSandwich on November 25, 2013, 08:14:05 PM
I respect Froch for what he done in the ring but his conduct throughout the buildup to this was poor IMO Groves didn't do nothing wrong apart from tell Carl he was going to beat him and telling him exactly what he was going to do and for large parts on saturday he made Froch look silly.

Both were talking the fight up.

If they'd been friendly in the build up would the fight have generated so much interest? This then went over the top. Groves was blatantly on some Adam Booth mind games rubbish but give him his due it worked.

That photgraph of Groves doing his best Eubank impression in the center of the ring is being held up as some sort of  tianamen square - esque act of defiance.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 25, 2013, 09:05:52 PM
Both were talking the fight up.

If they'd been friendly in the build up would the fight have generated so much interest? This then went over the top. Groves was blatantly on some Adam Booth mind games rubbish but give him his due it worked.

That photgraph of Groves doing his best Eubank impression in the center of the ring is being held up as some sort of  tianamen square - esque act of defiance.

Both were talking the fight up and fair play to them they done a great job of it!

I said it from day 1 that George wsas trying to get in his head to get Carl to come out swinging and was laughed at on here for it and i honestly didn't think it would happen myself i thought Carl was too professional for it but sure enough round 1 Carl came out swinging got caught with a big right hand.

Carl kept banging on about this lack of respect thing from George who wasn't IMO being disrespectful but he's not gonna sit beside Carl and say "He's been excellent for british boxing and an excellent champion" Carl resorted to the petty stuff saying his breath stinks look at those trousers calling him a chump etc.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 25, 2013, 09:06:55 PM
Both were talking the fight up and fair play to them they done a great job of it!

I said it from day 1 that George wsas trying to get in his head to get Carl to come out swinging and was laughed at on here for it and i honestly didn't think it would happen myself i thought Carl was too professional for it but sure enough round 1 Carl came out swinging got caught with a big right hand.

Carl kept banging on about this lack of respect thing from George who wasn't IMO being disrespectful but he's not gonna sit beside Carl and say "He's been excellent for british boxing and an excellent champion" Carl resorted to the petty stuff saying his breath stinks look at those trousers calling him a chump etc.

They were terrible trousers !!!!!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 25, 2013, 10:41:42 PM
Carl resorted to the petty stuff saying his breath stinks look at those trousers calling him a chump etc.

It's boxing, trash talk happens and Groves was guilty of it as well, seem to  remember him on Ringside saying "I'm knocking this chump out". Yes we all laughed at the time but he def showed he has the power.

All this talk about Froch not shaking Groves hand, yes it was very poor sportsmanship but he did eventually go over to Groves corner and shake hands and I'm sure again at the ringside interview. I would like to have seen more humility from Carl in the interview but let's face it, he'd taken a lot of shots in there, he was rambling like a drunk during it. Very few of us have any idea go through that sort of battle and then get a mic stuck in your face. Least he didn't say "are you gonna cry George"  ;D

I'm not gonna say Froch has aged but as well as he performed against Kessler there was also a few silly mistakes which due to Kessler's age and way Carl had gotten to him earlier in fight he was unable to capitalise, a younger and fitter boxer is always gonna take advantage. The one thing about Froch that can never be questioned is his heart and will to win. To climb off the canvas, take the punishment he did and go onto win, quite incredible.

The rematch build-up will be rather good, however I expect Froch to be very low key during it somehow.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tito on November 25, 2013, 10:43:41 PM

The rematch build-up will be rather good, however I expect Froch to be very low key during it somehow.

The International Superstar .....quiet ........never in a million years he was winning rounds 7, 8 and 9 you know  ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 25, 2013, 10:50:09 PM
What gets me is groves was suppose to have offended froch by not showing him any respect prior to the fight as froch believed he was on another level.

Then groves beats froch up during the entire fight proving to everyone that he infact was on a level higher than froch.

Though no apology from froch followed such a beat down. How come ???


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tim2366 on November 25, 2013, 10:53:21 PM
What gets me is groves was suppose to have offended froch by not showing him any respect prior to the fight as froch believed he was on another level.

Then groves beats froch up during the entire fight proving to everyone that he infact was on a level higher than froch.

Though no apology from froch followed such a beat down. How come ???

He beat him up in a thew rounds....he didn't just beat him up from the first bell till the stoppage like your trying to make out.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 25, 2013, 10:59:46 PM
It's ok , let everyone have their fun.

Personally I love throwing fuel onto the fire - it's a great fight and now the fight has gone into the forums !

Nobody is budging on what they think - so a rematch is going to be absolutely brilliant  8)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Box4life on November 25, 2013, 11:03:56 PM
It's ok , let everyone have their fun.

Personally I love throwing fuel onto the fire - it's a great fight and now the fight has gone into the forums !

Nobody is budging on what they think - so a rematch is going to be absolutely brilliant  8)
A rematch will generate more money so im sure both fighters will be happy ....


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 25, 2013, 11:11:44 PM
He beat him up in a thew rounds....he didn't just beat him up from the first bell till the stoppage like your trying to make out.

Well usually a fighter at a higher level doesn't get beaten up at all. For example Manny v Rios later that night. Manny was on a whole new level, right.

Normally your legs don't turn to khan-like jelly when you face someone levels below you. Normally.

Can you remember when khan got stick for what happened to him against maidana in the later rounds - and that was two boxers at the same supposed level.

So how come no apology or retraction from froch ??? .... just asking.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tim2366 on November 25, 2013, 11:16:46 PM
Well usually a fighter at a higher level doesn't get beaten up at all. For example Manny v Rios later that night. Manny was on a whole new level, right.

Normally your legs don't turn to khan-like jelly when you face someone levels below you. Normally.

Can you remember when khan got stick for what happened to him against maidana in the later rounds - and that was two boxers at the same supposed level.

So how come no apology or retraction from froch ??? .... just asking.

Ha, his legs went but no dance like khan  ;)

Tbf froch had taken some heavy shots and must of been F***ed after the fight so anything he did or said post fight should be taken with a pinch of salt.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 25, 2013, 11:23:47 PM
Ha, his legs went but no dance like khan  ;)

Tbf froch had taken some heavy shots and must of been F***ed after the fight so anything he did or said post fight should be taken with a pinch of salt.


GEORGE GROVES KNOCKS DOWN CARL FROCH FIRST ROUND! 23/11/13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHwPTe3hJ50#ws)

18 seconds.

From a guy not on his level ???

He couldn't even remember being Knocked Down - that is worrying :(


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tim2366 on November 25, 2013, 11:40:17 PM
And? Do fighters never get knocked down by guys who ain't on there level?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 25, 2013, 11:44:35 PM
And? Do fighters never get knocked down by guys who ain't on there level?

No I dont think froch had predicted he would get knocked down - so I guess groves deserves an apology for all that BS about not respecting the higher order. Dont you think ?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tim2366 on November 25, 2013, 11:47:45 PM
No I dont think froch had predicted he would get knocked down - so I guess groves deserves an apology for all that BS about not respecting the higher order. Dont you think ?

In that case froch deserves an apology for when groves asked Carl if he was gonna cry as the only crying is coming from groves and his camp.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 25, 2013, 11:57:17 PM
In that case froch deserves an apology for when groves asked Carl if he was gonna cry as the only crying is coming from groves and his camp.

Wow Tim - that is some crazy logic you have there.

When the likes of mayweather defeats a fighter - you usually hear how great his opponent was in the post fight interviews. How his opponent will be a future world champ despite the loss. This is with the premise that the viewing public know that mayweather is actually leagues above.

Here is a case where the opponent excels beyond the expectancy - with the eventual winner being the expected winner.... and yet nothing. Don't you see anything wrong with that ?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tim2366 on November 26, 2013, 12:00:43 AM
I'm sure Carl did say groves would be a future world champ and acknowledged that he got him with a big shot for the kd.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 26, 2013, 12:31:44 AM
I'm sure Carl did say groves would be a future world champ and acknowledged that he got him with a big shot for the kd.

I think you maybe para-phrasing, whilst leaving out the backhanded comments. You do realise that there is good reason why froch was getting boo'ed by his own fans.
When you offer a compliment there shouldn't be a "but..." following it.

You appear to see this through rose tinted glasses, perhaps. Are you surprised by the boo's directed toward froch ?


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tim2366 on November 26, 2013, 12:33:47 AM
I think you maybe para-phrasing, whilst leaving out the backhanded comments. You do realise that there is good reason why froch was getting boo'ed by his own fans.
When you offer a compliment there shouldn't be a "but..." following it.

You appear to see this through rose tinted glasses, perhaps. Are you surprised by the boo's directed toward froch ?

Froch fans? More like band wagoners who jumped ship the second Carl went down. Your as rosé tinted as anyone mate......always looking to take a dig in frochs direction.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 26, 2013, 12:45:07 AM
Froch fans? More like band wagoners who jumped ship the second Carl went down. Your as rosé tinted as anyone mate......always looking to take a dig in frochs direction.

Thats not true tim. I actually believe froch was robbed of possibly coming from behind and forcing a stoppage in the championship rounds, it was desperation from him because he had little answer to what groves was doing to him. Groves jab and speed was too much for froch. He handled that post fight interview all wrong and you dont need to be a PR media expert to see that. Sometimes less is more.... And froch spoke too much and said all the wrong things expected of a seasoned world champion imo.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tim2366 on November 26, 2013, 12:52:20 AM
Thats not true tim. I actually believe froch was robbed of possibly coming from behind and forcing a stoppage in the championship rounds, it was desperation from him because he had little answer to what groves was doing to him. Groves jab and speed was too much for froch. He handled that post fight interview all wrong and you dont need to be a PR media expert to see that. Sometimes less is more.... And froch spoke too much and said all the wrong things expected of a seasoned world champion imo.

That's pretty much what I think too. But I still think its hard to criticise what someone sais after they've been in such a brutal fight. I guarantee Carl and groves won't slag each other off like they did before the fight after what they did to each other.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Scarface on November 26, 2013, 12:57:02 AM
That's pretty much what I think too. But I still think its hard to criticise what someone sais after they've been in such a brutal fight. I guarantee Carl and groves won't slag each other off like they did before the fight after what they did to each other.

Exactly. I think the fans in the arena would have loved to have seen froch lift groves in the air or raise his arm after the refs stupid intervention. Its that sort of act that would actually help him to become an international superstar. Humility goes a long way especially when your a warrior like froch is.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Tim2366 on November 26, 2013, 01:14:05 AM
Exactly. I think the fans in the arena would have loved to have seen froch lift groves in the air or raise his arm after the refs stupid intervention. Its that sort of act that would actually help him to become an international superstar. Humility goes a long way especially when your a warrior like froch is.

Yes mate, be interesting to see what happens next.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jorg21 on November 26, 2013, 04:17:26 AM
The part that annoys me is the fact George has just been stopped prematurely he could easily have taken the hump and walked out the ring but no good sport that he is goes to shake Carl's hand who tells him to in George's words "F*ck off" that isn't right and you can guarantee if Groves had told Carl to F*ck off he would still be crying about disrespect now, He only mentions the rematch after getting boo'ed for his little self ego boosting speech before hand.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 26, 2013, 07:05:51 AM
And? Do fighters never get knocked down by guys who ain't on there level?

Only in sparring.  :D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Hotdog on November 26, 2013, 07:17:07 AM
The part that annoys me is the fact George has just been stopped prematurely he could easily have taken the hump and walked out the ring but no good sport that he is goes to shake Carl's hand who tells him to in George's words "F*ck off" that isn't right and you can guarantee if Groves had told Carl to F*ck off he would still be crying about disrespect now, He only mentions the rematch after getting boo'ed for his little self ego boosting speech before hand.

Exactly this.  When George originally tried to shake his hand and Carl turned him away, did the boo's start to go up.  This was long before the interviews. 

I think the boo's shocked Froch after this,  he had time to think, probably a word with Eddie and the correct PR thing  was done. He went shook his hand (he still had a moan about George disrespecting him) but still a hand shake at the end of the fight should take place.  Its a dangerous sport and it sets examples to everyone.   The tone though was set buy then, so Frochs interview was mainly boo'ed.  50% of it was correct,  the other half was typical big headed rubbish.   It was funny though as he couldnt remember the knockdown at all.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Bonters on November 26, 2013, 07:26:29 AM
I was there and Froch did not get booed. The ref's decision did


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 26, 2013, 07:29:21 AM
I was there and Froch did not get booed. The ref's decision did

You were obviously asleep again when both fighters were getting interviewed at the end, he got absolutely hammered.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: son of bonters on November 26, 2013, 07:36:21 AM
I was there and Froch did not get booed. The ref's decision did

Are you being serious with this post dad???


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Driscoll on November 26, 2013, 07:45:03 AM
Like has already been said after a fight like that you can write off some of the comments in the interview, unless his next interview is the same.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 26, 2013, 07:46:14 AM
Are you being serious with this post dad???

He has finally lost the plot !!! Jumping back and forth supporting fighter to fighter has confused him, I have sympathy for him now instead of disbelief !!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Bonters on November 26, 2013, 08:23:15 AM
He has finally lost the plot !!! Jumping back and forth supporting fighter to fighter has confused him, I have sympathy for him now instead of disbelief !!

I supported Froch. Before, during and after the fight. You've jumped bandwagons to Groves now, not me. Your problem. The booing commenced as a result of the ref's intervention, not anything to do with Froch. It continued because of that. If you whining Groves fans cannot understand that, I cannot help you. Anyone who takes notice of what boxers might say when the adrenalin's still pumping are just fools. At least Carl (my son) had enough about him to declare support for Groves beforehand instead of pretending to be a Froch fan just because you thought he would win! And Haye's still wank.   ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 26, 2013, 08:57:48 AM
I supported Froch. Before, during and after the fight. You've jumped bandwagons to Groves now, not me. Your problem. The booing commenced as a result of the ref's intervention, not anything to do with Froch. It continued because of that. If you whining Groves fans cannot understand that, I cannot help you. Anyone who takes notice of what boxers might say when the adrenalin's still pumping are just fools. At least Carl (my son) had enough about him to declare support for Groves beforehand instead of pretending to be a Froch fan just because you thought he would win! And Haye's still wank.   ;D

Bandwagon my arse, I support both said before the fight and still do !! I never saw this as a problem before liking both and don't now  :P

The decision got booed originally then Froch not shaking George's hand and comments in the interview after got the crowd on his back !! I will challenge you to find anyone apart from yourself who was in the arena ( including froch fans ) that will say any different.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Bonters on November 26, 2013, 11:22:36 AM
Bandwagon my arse, I support both said before the fight and still do !! I never saw this as a problem before liking both and don't now  :P

The decision got booed originally then Froch not shaking George's hand and comments in the interview after got the crowd on his back !! I will challenge you to find anyone apart from yourself who was in the arena ( including froch fans ) that will say any different.

BUT you see it as a problem if I do the same?  But anyway, I think I've got it now.  You supported Froch.......................no,no, I mean Groves......................oh hang on, was it Froch though..............no, no it was both at the same time.............I think?  Anyone else dizzy with all these U-turns?   ???


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jaimie77 on November 26, 2013, 12:02:28 PM
Like i said support Both, go back and check my posts  :)

Now again go and find another person who agrees with you that it wasn't Carl that was booed after the fight and that it was just the decision !!!

In fact don't come back until you do  :)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The Flaccid Member on November 26, 2013, 12:31:44 PM
Just watched the 6 round again, what the fk was George doing, dropping his gloves , ducking and bobbing on the ropes like that - Lunatic!

Carl Froch Vs George Groves - 6th Round 23.11.2013 [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRnFosZEHgI#ws)


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Box4life on November 26, 2013, 02:44:05 PM
I was there and Froch did not get booed. The ref's decision did

 //



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: AO88 on November 26, 2013, 02:50:55 PM
Just watched the 6 round again, what the fk was George doing, dropping his gloves , ducking and bobbing on the ropes like that - Lunatic!

Carl Froch Vs George Groves - 6th Round 23.11.2013 [HD] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRnFosZEHgI#ws[/url])


 ;D

Less landed when he dropped his hands than it did when he was more conventional and stood with his hands up.

Great round.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: dmp on November 26, 2013, 03:24:13 PM
I was there and Froch did not get booed. The ref's decision did

jesus you really believe that,fan worship is something,but you take the prize fair play your a very loyal super fan.  
so the decision was wrong..


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 26, 2013, 03:47:30 PM
Just watched the 6 round again, what the fk was George doing, dropping his gloves , ducking and bobbing on the ropes like that - Lunatic!

Carl Froch Vs George Groves - 6th Round 23.11.2013 [HD] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRnFosZEHgI#ws[/url])


Taking Carl to school  8)



Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 26, 2013, 07:12:22 PM
Just watched the 6 round again, what the fk was George doing, dropping his gloves , ducking and bobbing on the ropes like that - Lunatic!

Carl Froch Vs George Groves - 6th Round 23.11.2013 [HD] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRnFosZEHgI#ws[/url])


37secs into the video.
Froch has his arms by his side, going back ward, taking big head shots, not firing back... should have been stopped.  ;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Box4life on November 26, 2013, 07:46:09 PM
37secs into the video.
Froch has his arms by his side, going back ward, taking big head shots, not firing back... should have been stopped.  ;D
;D


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 26, 2013, 08:59:31 PM
Watching that round back just reminded me of how bad the commentary was but that seems to have been forgotten amongst everything. Did anybody catch Jim Watt leaving Groves backside?

Also watching that round 6 clip back also makes me wonder whether it was an injury or what had gone before in the fight because when he got Groves up against the ropes I expected a bombardment similar to Bute fight, his timing def wasn't as sharp throughout the fight. Like I said, might have been down to what had gone before where as against Bute he dominated from start.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 26, 2013, 11:25:35 PM
the overriding feeling im getting at the moment regarding this fight is..... sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Red on November 27, 2013, 09:47:25 PM
the overriding feeling im getting at the moment regarding this fight is..... sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win

Everyone thought Dirrell beat froch and where is he nowadays ?

 ^-^


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: The Hurricane on November 28, 2013, 09:13:12 AM
Everyone thought Dirrell beat froch and where is he nowadays ?

 ^-^

I was looking to see if he had anything lined up the other day and noticed he is still ranked in the top 15 of all four major governing bodies and at number 8 with the IBF and WBA.  Shocking.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 28, 2013, 12:53:56 PM
the overriding feeling im getting at the moment regarding this fight is..... sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win

I actually watched White Men Cant Jump the other night, not sure if you're actually quoting that tho


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Socrates on November 28, 2013, 01:22:54 PM
Poll in Boxing News today.

Had Carl Froch v George Groves continued who would have won?

George Groves 53%

Carl Froch 46%

Draw 1%

Hardly this travesty/joke people are saying.


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 28, 2013, 01:31:48 PM
Poll in Boxing News today.

Had Carl Froch v George Groves continued who would have won?

George Groves 53%

Carl Froch 46%

Draw 1%

Hardly this travesty/joke people are saying.

so most people thought groves would have won... still surprised its that close though


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: willlywalllly on November 28, 2013, 01:32:23 PM
I actually watched White Men Cant Jump the other night, not sure if you're actually quoting that tho

yup thats the one!


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: jimjack on November 28, 2013, 01:36:45 PM
Poll in Boxing News today.

Had Carl Froch v George Groves continued who would have won?

George Groves 53%

Carl Froch 46%

Draw 1%

Hardly this travesty/joke people are saying.

Just a shame there needs to be a poll.

I think everything has been covered on this topic for a while...


Title: Re: Froch - Groves card spoiler
Post by: Brick Top on November 28, 2013, 05:43:36 PM
Poll in Boxing News today.

Had Carl Froch v George Groves continued who would have won?

George Groves 53%

Carl Froch 46%

Draw 1%

Hardly this travesty/joke people are saying.

So more thought Groves would win then? Interesting....  ^-^