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Title: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Red on November 25, 2013, 03:28:38 PM



I'm trying to see this through the referee's eyes and to be honest, I think the momentum put George into the ropes and not the accuracy - perhaps the ref thought they landed.

But the last couple of shots were heavy bombs and I can't see George being tip-top and withstanding what Froch was about to dish out on him.

He was sagging around the ring and right on the cusp of falling forwards. He wasn't protecting himself and was all over the shop, staring at the floor.



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 25, 2013, 03:43:07 PM
Bout 18 seconds in....Foster has yet to touch groves yet groves arms are down hes leaning forward head down open target.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dmp on November 25, 2013, 03:44:01 PM
bullshit stoppage,straw clutching


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: AO88 on November 25, 2013, 03:48:16 PM
I thought you was bored of talking about it Red?  ;)


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: The Hurricane on November 25, 2013, 03:50:56 PM
The slow mo actually make the decision look all the poorer.  People were claiming that it should have been stopped because Groves head was down/looking at the floor.  Now it's as clear as day that his head was there because Carl was pulling it down which I hadn't picked up in real time.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: CelticHiggo on November 25, 2013, 03:51:24 PM
bullshit stoppage,straw clutching

Agree,Doesnt matter which way you look at it.



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Red on November 25, 2013, 03:53:31 PM
The slow mo actually make the decision look all the poorer.  People were claiming that it should have been stopped because Groves head was down/looking at the floor.  Now it's as clear as day that his head was there because Carl was pulling it down which I hadn't picked up in real time.

Watch it again.

He was already facing the floor long before he put his glove on his shoulder. Hardly pushing his head down.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Brick Top on November 25, 2013, 03:55:36 PM
Red it was a bullshit stoppage, there's only you I've come across that thinks it was OK, give up the ghost


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jorg21 on November 25, 2013, 03:58:43 PM
Even worse decision when you see it in slowmo he was punching back he wasn't slumped forward like people are clutching at straws to stick up for their hero and the reason he had his arms at his side when Foster grabs him is because he probably thinks it's Carl grabbing him to tie him up then watch his reaction when he realizes it's Foster.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: The Hurricane on November 25, 2013, 03:59:37 PM
Watch it again.

He was already facing the floor long before he put his glove on his shoulder. Hardly pushing his head down.

Groves misses with a right hand then to me lookks like he's moving in to clinch with his head by Froch's shoulder and is then pulled forward.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Box4life on November 25, 2013, 04:02:24 PM
Is there Slow Mo of when Carl was knocked down?


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: willlywalllly on November 25, 2013, 04:02:52 PM
that slow mo just makes things worse!! no way was that stoppage!! im fuming all over again this isnt healthy


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: AO88 on November 25, 2013, 04:04:15 PM
Good interview with Fitzpatrick here.

http://www.spam.co.uk/boxing/sport/video_audio/260741.html (http://www.spam.co.uk/boxing/sport/video_audio/260741.html)


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Red on November 25, 2013, 04:05:26 PM
Red it was a bullshit stoppage, there's only you I've come across that thinks it was OK, give up the ghost

Not really.

I spoke to both Froch brothers, his mum, his mates and his barber and they all say your wrong Bricktop, so there.




Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 25, 2013, 04:12:15 PM
It was stopped early but Groves was undeniably shipping major punishment at a point in the fight where he was weary and without his legs underneath him. His legs had never recovered from the first sweeping right hand roughly 30 seconds previous and Froch was upping the anty and was landing increasingly harder and cleaner punches right uptil the point Foster dived in. Groves certainly didn't appear to be riding out the storm, things were getting worse by the second.

Now having said that.....I do think he should have been allowed a few more seconds to see what would have transpired. I strongly believe he'd have been chopped up more decisively had Froch been allowed to keep punching him, but I think everyone would have liked to have seen a bit more action to end all doubt. Another 10-20 seconds would have probably allowed the fight to end on a more satisfactory note for all concerned.

As it is Groves and his fans feel aggrieved and Froch has had some lustre taken off what was a f'kin hellaciously brave comeback!


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: AO88 on November 25, 2013, 04:17:30 PM
Not really.

I spoke to both Froch brothers, his mum, his mates and his barber and they all say your wrong Bricktop, so there.




But not his butcher?


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: willlywalllly on November 25, 2013, 04:18:22 PM
he doesnt even look like hes on the verge of taking a knee never mind been stopped





Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: AO88 on November 25, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
If Groves was as out of it as some like to say and it was all a result of shots landed, fighters that hurt you tend to see there hands drop while they are on the ropes. They are unable to cover up let alone fight back as George did.


I also was thinking that had George been so hurt, would his corner not of made it a priority to get him sat down on the stool?

If George was really so hurt then why is nobody making an issue of what would be there disregard for there fighters welfare?


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Brick Top on November 25, 2013, 04:25:08 PM
Im sorry but I cant see where he slumped forward, he went to lean in on Carl and he moved but that wasnt a slump in a month of Sundays. There's no way to justify that after Carl was unconcious and couldnt remember the knockdown in the first (Eddie Hearn and Carls words, not mine)


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Methodical4u on November 25, 2013, 06:13:35 PM
I just watched the fight and obviously Froch was losing, but at times had some moments here and there. His moments started to pile up more than Groves' did in terms of power shots. I don't think it should have been stopped at that time, but it looked like Groves was starting to bend and on the verge of breaking under the pressure within another round or 2. I'm not a fan of either guy btw.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jorg21 on November 25, 2013, 06:27:16 PM
Carl Froch vs George Groves Instant Reaction! [Mobile Vlog] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZU56eJ7TMk#ws)

Wingy makes some good points in this video if it had been a back and forth fight with both guys taking big shots and Groves being the one being down then you could say ok it was slightly early but you don't want to see the guy hurt but Groves was dominating the fight knocked Froch down and the first bit of work Froch does Foster jumps in, People comment on German judges but we must have the worst Referees in boxing too many early stoppages happen here IJL, Foster, Terry O'Connor to name a few refs.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jimjack on November 25, 2013, 07:36:49 PM
Tbh red I think the slow mo reiterates what a sloppy stoppage that was.
What also stands out is the shock on carls face when it's stopped.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: The Saint on November 25, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
Under IBF and WBA rules there is a no standing 8 count rule which definitely would have benefited George.
Anyone who thinks that stoppage was fair is clueless about boxing or tounge fuxking Froch. Fact.
How can you stop a fight when the man threw 4 punches back ?
George had more than earned the right to fight on and was simply mugged by the ref and 2 of the judges.
However Froch is now in a corner because he lost a load of fans just by his conduct post fight and will lose the rematch if he has it in him to even have the rematch ;-).
Groves wont hold back and will beat him inside 2 rounds next time.
He's got Frochs number and Froch knows it 100%.
I lost all all respect for Froch for failing to even shake Georges hand and the shit he was spouting in the interview,  the whole arena booed him.
As  a  fighter Froch is as good as they come but as  man not so anymore.
Groves has won over the whole country and will go on to win a title next year.
Makes me laugh when froch says its down to Hearn and Mcracken ..
Hearn will say YES because it will make the most money, Mcracken will quietly say NO and lets be honest Froch is never ever gonna beat Ward and would get smashed by GGG.
Like I said Froch is in a corner now and if he doesnt rematch Groves he will leave the sport as a coward in joe publics eyes, we all know he isn't but the casual fan will see him that way.
Put up or shut up time


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: The Saint on November 25, 2013, 08:49:27 PM
Im new to Livefight but am wondering if this site is a very Pro Froch based site?

Some great posts all the same


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jaimie77 on November 25, 2013, 08:52:54 PM
Im new to Livefight but am wondering if this site is a very Pro Froch based site?

Some great posts all the same

Carl's official site is on here.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Red on November 25, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
Im new to Livefight but am wondering if this site is a very Pro Froch based site?

Some great posts all the same

Carl Froch posts on here under the name Aaron  ;D


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jaimie77 on November 25, 2013, 09:03:58 PM
Carl Froch posts on here under the name Aaron  ;D

 ;D


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 25, 2013, 09:04:36 PM
Holy F*ck, people questioning Carls willingness for the rematch. When has Carl ever ducked a fight or taken the easy route. Anyone who doubts he will fight anyone, anywhere needs to jog on and watch netball.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: The Saint on November 25, 2013, 09:08:14 PM
Cool!  Listen Froch is a legend and will go down as one of the UKs greatest ever fighters and definitely the most exciting.
He did nothing at all wrong on Saturday until he refused to shake  Groves hand then insulted him before spouting shit live on ppv sat next to George.
George is already stirring things up for the rematch by his comments today on the radio and on Sky Sports and IF Froch wants the rematch no one else comes into it at all.
Hearn wants it all day long $$$$$$ so if it doesnt happen we all will know its because Froch doesnt wanna face George again.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jaimie77 on November 25, 2013, 09:09:40 PM
Holy F*ck, people questioning Carls willingness for the rematch. When has Carl ever ducked a fight or taken the easy route. Anyone who doubts he will fight anyone, anywhere needs to jog on and watch netball.

I don't think it will be him if its the case more his family and trainer, maybe a doctor persuading him, he would fight George and anyone else tomorrow, no one can question Carl as a warrior and a great champion.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jimjack on November 25, 2013, 09:14:54 PM
Holy F*ck, people questioning Carls willingness for the rematch. When has Carl ever ducked a fight or taken the easy route. Anyone who doubts he will fight anyone, anywhere needs to jog on and watch netball.

I think he would fight him mate. However I think his family and his trainer may convince him differently. Carls a true fighter, he's also a family man and no fool by all accounts.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: The Saint on November 25, 2013, 09:16:48 PM
Holy F*ck, people questioning Carls willingness for the rematch. When has Carl ever ducked a fight or taken the easy route. Anyone who doubts he will fight anyone, anywhere needs to jog on and watch netball.






And when has he ever been beaten up like he was for 8 rounds following a thumping KO in the first round?
Please don't say Taylor because that was a flash ko by a pumped up middleweight while Groves had him on seriously wobbly legs then the bell saved him ;-)
Yes he's never ducked  fight but he's never ever been in a situation like this before and is already saying its out of his hands,  bit different to what he said post fight sat next to George right ;-)

Maybe reality has kicked in and like I said before he knows George has his number and beats him next time.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Red on November 25, 2013, 09:18:08 PM
Cool!  Listen Froch is a legend and will go down as one of the UKs greatest ever fighters and definitely the most exciting.
He did nothing at all wrong on Saturday until he refused to shake  Groves hand then insulted him before spouting shit live on ppv sat next to George.
George is already stirring things up for the rematch by his comments today on the radio and on Sky Sports and IF Froch wants the rematch no one else comes into it at all.
Hearn wants it all day long $$$$$$ so if it doesnt happen we all will know its because Froch doesnt wanna face George again.


You won't find a man on here that doesn't want to see the fight concluded properly.

My fear is, HBO have very deep pockets are talking telephone numbers for Froch to fight Chavez or Golovkin in America - likewise, George wanted a big chunk of money to prevent it going out to bids. He got like 400k and thats more than Froch got for beating Taylor in America.

No way Carl fights for less money 2nd time around, but George was quick to talk about him getting paid even more in the rematch, when he got big money already for Saturday.

Obviously it's nobody's business who gets what, good for them - I can just see Groves negotiating money like is champion and Carl refusing to give up his slice.

I think a rematch sells very well indeed, but enough to keep both parties happy ? i hope so but not sure.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: The Saint on November 25, 2013, 09:20:33 PM
I think he would fight him mate. However I think his family and his trainer may convince him differently. Carls a true fighter, he's also a family man and no fool by all accounts.






Totally answers my point :-)
Wonder why his family and trainer would oppose a rematch.... hands down would be his biggest ever payday so only leaves one reason.
They know Groves will beat him next time.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: The Saint on November 25, 2013, 09:31:14 PM
You won't find a man on here that doesn't want to see the fight concluded properly.

My fear is, HBO have very deep pockets are talking telephone numbers for Froch to fight Chavez or Golovkin in America - likewise, George wanted a big chunk of money to prevent it going out to bids. He got like 400k and thats more than Froch got for beating Taylor in America.

No way Carl fights for less money 2nd time around, but George was quick to talk about him getting paid even more in the rematch, when he got big money already for Saturday.

Obviously it's nobody's business who gets what, good for them - I can just see Groves negotiating money like is champion and Carl refusing to give up his slice.

I think a rematch sells very well indeed, but enough to keep both parties happy ? i hope so but not sure.





Jesus 400k would have been nice , lets not forget Adam was paid over 130k all in all out of that plus there were extras :-(
I hear that Chavez is next also but also hear that Golden boy are serious about snapping George up as their main man and face of UK boxing and its no secret Richard has already been in talks with Georgie directly in the last 24 hours ;-)
on a side note I personally see Super Six 2 being announced in the coming months with Groves , Chavez and GGG thrown into the mix.
No reason the last two cant operate at SMW and join in the fun ;-)
Top dollar and a feast for fight fans all round and would include the rematch.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: westbo on November 25, 2013, 09:31:53 PM
The demand for a rematch is huge
big big money to be made... Honestly didn't see this fight being as big as it become
everybody i no has been talking about it all weekend and at work all day today and these people do not have the slightest interest in boxing...
i dont think Eddie will let an opportunity like this pass him by if both teams are up for it.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 25, 2013, 09:34:16 PM
Cool!  Listen Froch is a legend and will go down as one of the UKs greatest ever fighters and definitely the most exciting.
He did nothing at all wrong on Saturday until he refused to shake  Groves hand then insulted him before spouting shit live on ppv sat next to George.
George is already stirring things up for the rematch by his comments today on the radio and on Sky Sports and IF Froch wants the rematch no one else comes into it at all.
Hearn wants it all day long $$$$$$ so if it doesnt happen we all will know its because Froch doesnt wanna face George again.


If Carl doesnt fight Groves again it will be because he doesnt want to fight anyone again or because he wants his final fight in vegas....a fight he deserves before retiring.  on the forum question, yes this is a froch fan forum so many froch fans on here but also plenty of froch haters who only come on here to troll.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jimjack on November 25, 2013, 09:39:06 PM





Totally answers my point :-)
Wonder why his family and trainer would oppose a rematch.... hands down would be his biggest ever payday so only leaves one reason.
They know Groves will beat him next time.

Completely agree. Groves would pick up a win in much easier fashion in a rematch. I'd see a stoppage after a one sided affair.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: The Saint on November 25, 2013, 09:43:23 PM
You mean Barry right?
Make no mistake about it Matchroom strings are 100% still pulled by Barry Hearn ;-)
So Carl posts here under the name of Aaron... is this fact ?


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Box4life on November 25, 2013, 09:48:43 PM
What was the total purse for the fight?


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: The Saint on November 25, 2013, 09:50:07 PM
If Carl doesnt fight Groves again it will be because he doesnt want to fight anyone again or because he wants his final fight in vegas....a fight he deserves before retiring.  on the forum question, yes this is a froch fan forum so many froch fans on here but also plenty of froch haters who only come on here to troll.



I can imagine this place has gone mad with posts since Saturday being Carls home site but just to be clear I am a huge Froch fan and have nothing but respect for what he does in the square circle,  like I said earlier he will go down as one of the UKs best ever fighters and certainly the toughest and most exciting.
I know Georgie has his number and so does Carl and see a 2nd round TKO if Carl accepts the rematch on offer ;-)



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: The Saint on November 25, 2013, 09:53:26 PM
I know what Georgie made on Saturday and its not even half of what people think after a messy court order and other "issues"


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dannffc on November 25, 2013, 09:59:41 PM
Groves should go and beat Steiglitz and get his world title. Carl should go and have his fight in America and they do it again next November if they feel like it. Everyone is talking as if it was just Carl that took punishment. Groves face shows both did, and with three more full rounds could very well have been worse.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 25, 2013, 10:02:06 PM


I can imagine this place has gone mad with posts since Saturday being Carls home site but just to be clear I am a huge Froch fan and have nothing but respect for what he does in the square circle,  like I said earlier he will go down as one of the UKs best ever fighters and certainly the toughest and most exciting.
I know Georgie has his number and so does Carl and see a 2nd round TKO if Carl accepts the rematch on offer ;-)



Groves was very good early on the fight no doubt but also Carl was terrible. He couldn't avoid anything yet he's faced a lot more skill full and faster fighters than groves in the past. My prediction should they rematch would be Groves very early or Carl late on.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: willlywalllly on November 25, 2013, 10:05:09 PM
Everyone is talking as if it was just Carl that took punishment. Groves face shows both did, and with three more full rounds could very well have been worse.


yup, those forearms and elbows marked groves up pretty bad and showed no signs of slowing down


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dannffc on November 25, 2013, 10:06:26 PM
yup, those forearms and elbows marked groves up pretty bad and showed no signs of slowing down

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Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Brick Top on November 25, 2013, 10:07:27 PM
Groves was very good early on the fight no doubt but also Carl was terrible. He couldn't avoid anything yet he's faced a lot more skill full and faster fighters than groves in the past. My prediction should they rematch would be Groves very early or Carl late on.

Carl was Carl, he's always easy to hit and clumsy, the difference here was George took the play away from him and put him on the back foot that's why he was getting smashed up.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 25, 2013, 10:09:01 PM
yup, those forearms and elbows marked groves up pretty bad and showed no signs of slowing down

Groves blatantly slowed down, just look at his punch out put in the early rounds and compare it with his punches in the 7,8 n 9th rounds.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Gaz on November 25, 2013, 10:12:07 PM
Groves blatantly slowed down, just look at his punch out put in the early rounds and compare it with his punches in the 7,8 n 9th rounds.

On that point I would like to see some punch stats from the fight, a compubox style round by round analysis or something.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dmp on November 25, 2013, 10:12:13 PM
i dont think george wud av won a decision sat nite over 12 r if the fight wasnt stopped
what was the score on the cards 76/75 groves, total bull ,if that was the score a fix was in
groves won every round except the 5th i think you cud go either way on that round
love both fighters carls a legend george will be.
just goes to show how good (defail) is as a lot on here call him is
i cant wait for george and james to do it again..


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: willlywalllly on November 25, 2013, 10:16:46 PM
Groves blatantly slowed down, just look at his punch out put in the early rounds and compare it with his punches in the 7,8 n 9th rounds.

i wasnt on about that i meant the elbows, forearms, and hitting on the break from froch showed no signs of slowing down lol

but to answer your point, i dont recall groves slowing down in 7,8 or 9 but i havent got the stomach to watch the fight back yet after how it finished... im sure 7 in particular was one sided in favour of groves? i may be wrong.

either way i remember thinking before the stoppage that groves just needs to get to the final bell now to win it was so one sided, so wouldnt surprise me if he took his foot off the gas and slowed down a bit


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 25, 2013, 10:19:02 PM
Carl was Carl, he's always easy to hit and clumsy, the difference here was George took the play away from him and put him on the back foot that's why he was getting smashed up.

Can you recall anyone landing so many right hands on Carl, he was getting hit with such blatant shots....bet Kessler was wishing Carl had fought like that against him.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dmp on November 25, 2013, 10:24:00 PM
it wasnt that groves could have been better,quicker than carl
Can you recall anyone landing so many right hands on Carl, he was getting hit with such blatant shots....bet Kessler was wishing Carl had fought like that against him.

could it have been that groves was better and quicker than carl on the night


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tito on November 25, 2013, 11:00:46 PM
You won't find a man on here that doesn't want to see the fight concluded properly.

My fear is, HBO have very deep pockets are talking telephone numbers for Froch to fight Chavez or Golovkin in America - likewise, George wanted a big chunk of money to prevent it going out to bids. He got like 400k and thats more than Froch got for beating Taylor in America.

No way Carl fights for less money 2nd time around, but George was quick to talk about him getting paid even more in the rematch, when he got big money already for Saturday.

Obviously it's nobody's business who gets what, good for them - I can just see Groves negotiating money like is champion and Carl refusing to give up his slice.

I think a rematch sells very well indeed, but enough to keep both parties happy ? i hope so but not sure.

I heard Froch got 1.5 million plus add ons and Groves got 350k and then Hearn gave him a extra 150k earlier this week because of promising PPV numbers. There is no way HBO will put JCC Jr and Froch on HBO PPV if its WCB then the hosting fee isn't going to be huge money either. You could sell 40k seats for a Froch - Groves rematch and easy do 750k buys on SBO if you added Quigg - Frampton or Barker - Murray. As well as that HBO/Showtime would buy international tv rights so would Fox in Australia and a dozen more TV networks.
The biggest fight financially for Froch is Groves no way have HBO got the same muscle they had 12 months ago subsidising the likes of Ward will soon dry the pot up and JCC jr as never been a huge draw either unlike Canelo.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 25, 2013, 11:14:31 PM
it wasnt that groves could have been better,quicker than carl
could it have been that groves was better and quicker than carl on the night

He was in the early rounds for sure but for example Andre Dirrell is quicker and better than Carl at the boxing side of the game but he still didn't land as often as Groves....Carl was not at the races until he caught up to Groves in the mid rounds.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Scarface on November 25, 2013, 11:42:22 PM
If you slow the video down and use the footage from the channel Al Jazeera you get a camera angle whereby the referee has 2 inches of 50 notes stuck in his back pocket, around the notes is a money holder with the initials "EH" on it.

Another camera angle from "HBO" shows a strange man in a hat hovering around the judges tampering with the judges scorecard. If you listen to the audio you can clearly hear laughter and the word "Suckers".


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 25, 2013, 11:46:45 PM
If you slow the video down and use the footage from the channel Al Jazeera you get a camera angle whereby the referee has 2 inches of 50 notes stuck in his back pocket, around the notes is a money holder with the initials "EH" on it.

Another camera angle from "HBO" shows a strange man in a hat hovering around the judges tampering with the judges scorecard. If you listen to the audio you can clearly hear laughter and the word "Suckers".

Yh and if you watch the sky cameras you can clearly see froch holding both belts at the end of the fight. Team froch sucker.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Scarface on November 26, 2013, 12:37:43 AM
Yh and if you watch the sky cameras you can clearly see froch holding both belts at the end of the fight. Team froch sucker.

Anyone can buy a belt. The mob have been doing it for decades in boxing. You can forget being considered a p4p though. It takes a bit more than money to do that.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: sweeno on November 26, 2013, 02:51:14 AM
Ive watched this now over and over again with and without Jim Watts biased commentary and can not make my mind up.

2 points I want to make -

In round 8 Groves hits Carl on the back of the head they continue to fight and Carl has Groves on the ropes about to finish him Bute style absolutely rocking Groves' head back before the ref jumps in. In my opinion, there was absolutely no reason to jump in, but Jim watt seems to think Carl should have been docked a point.

As the stoppage happens Georges left arm completely drops straight down, like he had no control over it . The commentators even said Groves legs had gone moments before.

Im absolutely gutted the ref stopped it as I truly believe Carl would have knocked him out in the next 10seconds.



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Brick Top on November 26, 2013, 06:43:15 AM
Can you recall anyone landing so many right hands on Carl, he was getting hit with such blatant shots....bet Kessler was wishing Carl had fought like that against him.

No because George is one of the best he's fought clearly, barring Ward but he only needed one hand so why would you over exert yourself ?  ;)


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Brick Top on November 26, 2013, 06:45:42 AM
Ive watched this now over and over again with and without Jim Watts biased commentary and can not make my mind up.

2 points I want to make -

In round 8 Groves hits Carl on the back of the head they continue to fight and Carl has Groves on the ropes about to finish him Bute style absolutely rocking Groves' head back before the ref jumps in. In my opinion, there was absolutely no reason to jump in, but Jim watt seems to think Carl should have been docked a point.

As the stoppage happens Georges left arm completely drops straight down, like he had no control over it . The commentators even said Groves legs had gone moments before.

Im absolutely gutted the ref stopped it as I truly believe Carl would have knocked him out in the next 10seconds.



Biased commentary because it was a biased fight, all Groves, unfortunately Froch had biased officials.

Always said Jim Watt knows his stuff  >:<


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Hotdog on November 26, 2013, 06:57:34 AM
I saw the fight again last night.  With regards to the whole hand dropping comments in the 9th when Groves looked in trouble. He done the same in the 6th when he got caught. However when Carl went to throw the punches he was ducking and moving out the way of them and nothing really caught clean.

Secondly,  if Carl had of caught him with one or two more punches,  it might of a) finished him or b) knocked him down.  If Groves had of got up, then he may of had time to clear his head and prepare himself.  The way Froch ran 2-3 meters into Groves before the stoppage exchange, Groves wasnt ready for that and knocked his balance all of the show.  Froch was missing with a lot of punches though.

With regards to Sweeno's comment about the 8th.  Granted Groves did catch Carl on the back of the head, however you go on to say Carl was going to do him Bute style,  2 or 3 times previously Carl was in that poisition and once again, Groves managed to get out of it. 

Looking at the 6th round in particular.  I didn't realise just how many massive shots Groves was landing.  You didn't see it so much in the arena. He was nailing him with everything he threw. Those saying it was a stale/aged Froch.  He has always had the floors with his left hand defence, Groves saw that, told everyone about the previous problems and then exploited it.  It wasn't a new thing which a rusty Carl done, it was highlighted before.  So I dont see how this can go from the best ever Carl to a rubbish one.   


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: son of bonters on November 26, 2013, 06:59:33 AM
Love people trying to rewrite history, telling 20,000 people we didn't see what we thought we saw. BS. Doesn't matter which angle you use or how much you slow it down, Groves wasn't seriously hurt, was not out on his feet, was firing back, was rolling, defending, and covering up when needed. Two judges also had a BS scoreline at the time of the stoppage. Froch didn't win the fight, no matter how many times you put a W against his name for it.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Hotdog on November 26, 2013, 07:09:24 AM
Love people trying to rewrite history, telling 20,000 people we didn't see what we thought we saw. BS. Doesn't matter which angle you use or how much you slow it down, Groves wasn't seriously hurt, was not out on his feet, was firing back, was rolling, defending, and covering up when needed. Two judges also had a BS scoreline at the time of the stoppage. Froch didn't win the fight, no matter how many times you put a W against his name for it.

This for me is the biggest concern.  I said beforehand if it went to points, I wouldnt be surprised if the scores are bent given Matchrooms recent cards.   The scoring this past few months has been beyond a joke.   Its getting worse.  Its soon going to be impossible to attract any big names to fight on a Matchroom card in the UK. 


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jimjack on November 26, 2013, 07:12:24 AM
This for me is the biggest concern.  I said beforehand if it went to points, I wouldnt be surprised if the scores are bent given Matchrooms recent cards.   The scoring this past few months has been beyond a joke.   Its getting worse.  Its soon going to be impossible to attract any big names to fight on a Matchroom card in the UK. 

I made this point on the scores thread. Very odd that the ref and the paid judges saw groves struggling... Yet everyone else including the most respected sports journos in the business all had it the other way.
I guess the 3 men paid by the promoter must have been correct eh...


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 26, 2013, 08:41:59 AM
Ive watched this now over and over again with and without Jim Watts biased commentary and can not make my mind up.

2 points I want to make -

In round 8 Groves hits Carl on the back of the head they continue to fight and Carl has Groves on the ropes about to finish him Bute style absolutely rocking Groves' head back before the ref jumps in. In my opinion, there was absolutely no reason to jump in, but Jim watt seems to think Carl should have been docked a point.

As the stoppage happens Georges left arm completely drops straight down, like he had no control over it . The commentators even said Groves legs had gone moments before.

Im absolutely gutted the ref stopped it as I truly believe Carl would have knocked him out in the next 10seconds.



Agreed.....Watt always seems to nail his colours to one side early and stick to it.

Going in he wasn't expecting Groves to offer too much, in fact a large part of Jim expected George to crumble(hence all his talk of wanting to see how Groves looked in the dressing room, on way to the ring etc)

So when George came out with no fear and dropped Carl early doors, Jim nearly wet himself.
He was so impressed by George that he stopped noticing anything positive Froch did and it became in his mind the George Groves show.

The incident you highlighted where George clearly clubbed Carl round the back of the head only for Carl to respond with a flurry of legal shots that put Groves on the ropes highlights Jim Watt's bias. He was impressed by Groves early and was excited to see a new king crowned, and as the fight went on his rooting preferences was crystal clear.

Everyone was robbed of the conclusive finish we wanted, but I don't think Groves was going to recover. Things had gotten progressively worse for him in the 30 seconds since that sweeping right hand had taken his legs away. Froch can finish and was hitting George with an increasing frequency right uptil Foster stepped in, albeit 10 odd seconds and a another barrage of punches early.

I've mentioned previously I think the early stoppage was actually worse for Carl than George. The controversy gives George something to cling too moving forward, but it robbed Carl of the glory he deserved for the way he rallied after a dreadful start.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 26, 2013, 08:55:39 AM
Love people trying to rewrite history, telling 20,000 people we didn't see what we thought we saw. BS. Doesn't matter which angle you use or how much you slow it down, Groves wasn't seriously hurt, was not out on his feet, was firing back, was rolling, defending, and covering up when needed. Two judges also had a BS scoreline at the time of the stoppage. Froch didn't win the fight, no matter how many times you put a W against his name for it.

If you don't think Groves was seriously hurt you're as mad as a hatter my friend.....Do you think he was pretending his legs had gone?

If anyone is now trying to rewrite history its you.

The stoppage was early as everyone on this forum has stated, but don't kid yourself that George was comfortable or composed in there. He was rocking, reeling and trying desperately to survive. He threw a couple winging type shots that had nothing on them as his legs weren't under him and hadn't been since he first got whacked around the temple.

It was an early stoppage no question, but Groves was in serious trouble and Froch is a fine finisher.

Now 'if' since he first got hurt, Groves had seemed to be getting his bearings then you might have had a point.....but things weren't getting any better for George as he was getting hit with an increasing frequency of clean hits right uptil Foster stepped in.

Early stoppage of course but lets stick to the facts.....or just keep going as you are and make believe George is king!  ;)


Oh but I agree on the judges cards.....I think it was 5-3 for Groves with a point extra for the KD. The official cards were bogus, but they often are. That is a problem that the entire world of boxing needs to address ASAP. Poor officials are the bane of the sport.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Che Guevara on November 26, 2013, 09:04:52 AM
If you don't think Groves was seriously hurt you're as mad as a hatter my friend.....Do you think he was pretending his legs had gone?

If anyone is now trying to rewrite history its you.

The stoppage was early as everyone on this forum has stated, but don't kid yourself that George was comfortable or composed in there. He was rocking, reeling and trying desperately to survive. He threw a couple winging type shots that had nothing on them as his legs weren't under him and hadn't been since he first got whacked around the temple.

It was an early stoppage no question, but Groves was in serious trouble and Froch is a fine finisher.

Now 'if' since he first got hurt, Groves had seemed to be getting his bearings then you might have had a point.....but things weren't getting any better for George as he was getting hit with an increasing frequency of clean hits right uptil Foster stepped in.

Early stoppage of course but lets stick to the facts.....or just keep going as you are and make believe George is king!  ;)


Oh but I agree on the judges cards.....I think it was 5-3 for Groves with a point extra for the KD. The official cards were bogus, but they often are. That is a problem that the entire world of boxing needs to address ASAP. Poor officials are the bane of the sport.

Groves may have bn buzzed a little but so what, if the ref was to jump in every time a fighter was buzzed nobody would go to any fights. Ward and gatti wouldn't have got past te 2nd round if ur trying to justify this crap. It doesn't matter that Froch was coming on strong, it doesn't matter that groves was buzzed, it doesn't matter that Froch may have flattened him 20seconds later the fact of the matter here is that was a rotten stoppage. There's no getting away form that... Decorate it whatever way you wish


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Bonters on November 26, 2013, 09:29:47 AM
If you don't think Groves was seriously hurt you're as mad as a hatter my friend.....Do you think he was pretending his legs had gone?

If anyone is now trying to rewrite history its you.

The stoppage was early as everyone on this forum has stated, but don't kid yourself that George was comfortable or composed in there. He was rocking, reeling and trying desperately to survive. He threw a couple winging type shots that had nothing on them as his legs weren't under him and hadn't been since he first got whacked around the temple.

It was an early stoppage no question, but Groves was in serious trouble and Froch is a fine finisher.

Now 'if' since he first got hurt, Groves had seemed to be getting his bearings then you might have had a point.....but things weren't getting any better for George as he was getting hit with an increasing frequency of clean hits right uptil Foster stepped in.

Early stoppage of course but lets stick to the facts.....or just keep going as you are and make believe George is king!  ;)


Oh but I agree on the judges cards.....I think it was 5-3 for Groves with a point extra for the KD. The official cards were bogus, but they often are. That is a problem that the entire world of boxing needs to address ASAP. Poor officials are the bane of the sport.

Bravo! Some sense being talked at last. Unfortunately Groves has attracted the same kind of blind fan-boy support as did Haye, so your incisive assessment may well be lost on them.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: tomstrong on November 26, 2013, 11:04:00 AM
Why is it Froch lovers trying to justify the stoppage! It was right and it wasn't fair on both fighters! We all know something isn't right about the fight!

Im sick of the whole saga, Froch got another gimmie and Groves has come out with more respect.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: pogo on November 26, 2013, 11:09:10 AM
One of the worst stoppages I can remember, Groves was still throwing back for gods sake.

Suppose it didnt really matter, the fix was in with the judges anyhow.

All the same great fight ruined.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 26, 2013, 11:39:47 AM
Groves may have bn buzzed a little but so what, if the ref was to jump in every time a fighter was buzzed nobody would go to any fights. Ward and gatti wouldn't have got past te 2nd round if ur trying to justify this crap. It doesn't matter that Froch was coming on strong, it doesn't matter that groves was buzzed, it doesn't matter that Froch may have flattened him 20seconds later the fact of the matter here is that was a rotten stoppage. There's no getting away form that... Decorate it whatever way you wish

'Buzzed a little'.....my backside

The man held a deserved lead but had visibly slowed down by the 9th round. Where prior George had been landing and avoiding most of carls retaliation, now both were landing and taking punishment.

Groves was seriously hurt, legs not right for roughly 30 seconds and he was shipping an increasing amount of punishment as we entered the real business end of a world title fight. The stoppage was certainly early as I've stated several times. But nobody should try and paint a picture of George not being hurt when he clearly was.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: son of bonters on November 26, 2013, 11:47:07 AM
'Buzzed a little'.....my backside

The man held a deserved lead but had visibly slowed down by the 9th round. Where prior George had been landing and avoiding most of carls retaliation, now both were landing and taking punishment.

Groves was seriously hurt, legs not right for roughly 30 seconds and he was shipping an increasing amount of punishment as we entered the real business end of a world title fight. The stoppage was certainly early as I've stated several times. But nobody should try and paint a picture of George not being hurt when he clearly was.

This was your first fight then?
You saying he was badly hurt doesn't make it so. He was a little shaken, but was still defending, fully alert, and throwing back when stopped. There- sticking to the facts.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 26, 2013, 11:49:38 AM
Bravo! Some sense being talked at last. Unfortunately Groves has attracted the same kind of blind fan-boy support as did Haye, so your incisive assessment may well be lost on them.

I'm still trying to work out why this is.....I can most certainly understand massive disappointment that a fight was somewhat robbed of the natural conclusion as it were.

But I don't understand people saying that George wasn't really hurt when he clearly was. Not quite enough to justify Fosters intervention at that point, but most definitely hurt and on the brink.

Even the SKY team who'd been riding George hard ever since his great start acknowledged Groves was in dire straights. Just a shame because if Foster had just held back a little longer it'd have been put beyond dispute and we'd have all just been left to discuss an excellent fight.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 26, 2013, 11:57:48 AM
This was your first fight then?
You saying he was badly hurt doesn't make it so. He was a little shaken, but was still defending, fully alert, and throwing back when stopped. There- sticking to the facts.

Not quite my first fight pal.....I'm a former amateur champion and have covered and reported on the sport for several websites.

Little shaken?.....yeah cus legs gone for 30 seconds in the last quarter of championship fight is only a little bit shaken hey! But we'll agree to disagree on that little point.

He threw nothing of consequence back as he had no balance and was winging out of desperation not intent. Whilst the opponent was hitting him with an increasing amount of clean shots.

Bemoan the early stoppage by all means, but don't kid yourself that Groves wasn't hurt in there.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: AO88 on November 26, 2013, 12:00:41 PM
Team Groves!


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Che Guevara on November 26, 2013, 12:18:39 PM
'Buzzed a little'.....my backside

The man held a deserved lead but had visibly slowed down by the 9th round. Where prior George had been landing and avoiding most of carls retaliation, now both were landing and taking punishment.

Groves was seriously hurt, legs not right for roughly 30 seconds and he was shipping an increasing amount of punishment as we entered the real business end of a world title fight. The stoppage was certainly early as I've stated several times. But nobody should try and paint a picture of George not being hurt when he clearly was.

It's boxing... Course he's gonna get hurt taking a few right hands. Hurt doesn't justify the fight bn stopped... Carl was "hurt" in the first and stumbling around the place when he got up...


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Red on November 26, 2013, 12:26:14 PM
For me Groves was not the same dominant, strong man in the 9th as he was the 1st

Vice versa for Froch, he was in the driving seat in the 9th and all at sea in the first.

The momentum had swung full tilt, Froch was now starting to come full pelt before we'd even entered the final third.

If you have the fight saved, compare Groves expression and demeanour at the start of round 8 with the start of round 9 - it's like 4 rounds had passed not just 1, he is a shadow of the man in the opening rounds.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tuco on November 26, 2013, 12:33:05 PM
Joke of a stoppage. No justification whatsoever.  He caught Groves with a couple of clean shots but George was still firing back.

Castillo vs Corales 1, Hatton vs Collazo wouldn't have gone 5 rounds had this ref been in charge. Stoppage my arse.



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: AO88 on November 26, 2013, 12:42:44 PM
For me Groves was not the same dominant, strong man in the 9th as he was the 1st

Vice versa for Froch, he was in the driving seat in the 9th and all at sea in the first.

The momentum had swung full tilt, Froch was now starting to come full pelt before we'd even entered the final third.

If you have the fight saved, compare Groves expression and demeanour at the start of round 8 with the start of round 9 - it's like 4 rounds had passed not just 1, he is a shadow of the man in the opening rounds.

Is that not to be expected? It was hardly a dull fight with neither guy landing or throwing much, they were both throwing plenty and putting a lot of work in each round.

I am sure though had Groves spotted Carl sag from a punch he would of put the heat on him just like Carl did when he thought he hurt Groves.



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: willlywalllly on November 26, 2013, 12:44:45 PM
For me Groves was not the same dominant, strong man in the 9th as he was the 1st

Vice versa for Froch, he was in the driving seat in the 9th and all at sea in the first.

The momentum had swung full tilt, Froch was now starting to come full pelt before we'd even entered the final third.

If you have the fight saved, compare Groves expression and demeanour at the start of round 8 with the start of round 9 - it's like 4 rounds had passed not just 1, he is a shadow of the man in the opening rounds.

dear me this is getting desperate now, compare groves' expression?? the only momentum froch had in the ninth was when he took a run up to clumsily crash into groves just before the stoppage. i had groves winning the round, and obviously the fight, at that point... all this talk about groves slowing down and froch coming on strong? in the real world it was froch getting desperate and groves enjoying his massive points lead into the final stretch, but groves was still winning the rounds even with his foot off the gas a little compared to previous rounds.

the only real serious question to be asked about this travesty of a stoppage, and the ref not docking points, and the judges scorecards....... is was it incompetence or corruption?



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: The Hurricane on November 26, 2013, 12:44:56 PM
The other week Howard Foster let Paul Butlin continue after shipping a huge shot from Joshua that dropped him and left him all over the show when he got up.  He was hurt in a fight that was never going to be for anything for a few quid in his back pocket and was given more of a chance to show he was still in the fight than Groves was.  Butlin was hurt, Groves had taken a few shots.  Big difference.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Stevie J on November 26, 2013, 12:47:15 PM
Terrible stoppage and even worse watching it the second time around, Groves was still punching back FFS...  ;D

I am amazed at how so many fanboys are trying to justify it... total joke...



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Red on November 26, 2013, 12:49:48 PM
dear me this is getting desperate now, compare groves' expression?? the only momentum froch had in the ninth was when he took a run up to clumsily crash into groves just before the stoppage. i had groves winning the round, and obviously the fight, at that point... all this talk about groves slowing down and froch coming on strong? in the real world it was froch getting desperate and groves enjoying his massive points lead into the final stretch, but groves was still winning the rounds even with his foot off the gas a little compared to previous rounds.

the only real serious question to be asked about this travesty of a stoppage, and the ref not docking points, and the judges scorecards....... is was it incompetence or corruption?



Your not really adding anything to the debate Wally.

Except for exaggerated emotion and ridicule of facts. For a self-proclaimed neutral you , like a few, have a hard-on for saying the ref stopped Groves from winning.

You seem to think Groves was somehow getting better and would have made it to then end.

Nonsense. He was terribly fatigued and his legs and movement were failing him.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 26, 2013, 12:53:08 PM
Is that not to be expected? It was hardly a dull fight with neither guy landing or throwing much, they were both throwing plenty and putting a lot of work in each round.

I am sure though had Groves spotted Carl sag from a punch he would of put the heat on him just like Carl did when he thought he hurt Groves.


Thought he hurt Groves? There's no thought about it.

George's legs weren't all there from the moment he first got belted with a sweeping right hand to the temple. To a man everyone on this site has stated the stoppage was early, but I can't believe how some folk are trying to peddle a notion that Groves wasn't all that hurt. While he wasn't out of it as in unconscious on his feet, but when a fighters not got his legs under him there's no dispute he's got to be hurting.

Froch jumped on what he knew was a wounded foe, and he landed several more direct hits that had George in a worse state at the finish than he had been when first nailed roughly 30 seconds prior. Not quite in a bad enough state to justify a stoppage at that point in time, but closing in on that state fast aided by Froch's fists.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Che Guevara on November 26, 2013, 12:56:18 PM
Your not really adding anything to the debate Wally.

Except for exaggerated emotion and ridicule of facts. For a self-proclaimed neutral you , like a few, have a hard-on for saying the ref stopped Groves from winning.

You seem to think Groves was somehow getting better and would have made it to then end.

Nonsense. He was terribly fatigued and his legs and movement were failing him.

Come out of the fog red. Ur a very knowledgeable poster on here but ur loosing credibility by the post since Saturday. If froch was stopped under these circumstances you would be going abs AWOL on here, just admit the stoppage stunk and was wrong.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Buckers on November 26, 2013, 01:00:54 PM
dear me this is getting desperate now, compare groves' expression?? the only momentum froch had in the ninth was when he took a run up to clumsily crash into groves just before the stoppage. i had groves winning the round, and obviously the fight, at that point... all this talk about groves slowing down and froch coming on strong? in the real world it was froch getting desperate and groves enjoying his massive points lead into the final stretch, but groves was still winning the rounds even with his foot off the gas a little compared to previous rounds.

the only real serious question to be asked about this travesty of a stoppage, and the ref not docking points, and the judges scorecards....... is was it incompetence or corruption?



You had Groves winning the 9th???? Jesus wept I despair.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: willlywalllly on November 26, 2013, 01:01:53 PM
Your not really adding anything to the debate Wally.

Except for exaggerated emotion and ridicule of facts. For a self-proclaimed neutral you , like a few, have a hard-on for saying the ref stopped Groves from winning.

You seem to think Groves was somehow getting better and would have made it to then end.

Nonsense. He was terribly fatigued and his legs and movement were failing him.

i fully expect you to have a different point of view to my own, due to your strong allegiance to carl. but as you say i was a neutral supporter going into thos fight, i dont have a biased oppinion either way it is based on what we all saw.

to me it was like (work with me here) bradford city beating man united 8-1 in the fa cup final, and the referee suddenly stops the game for no apparent reason and awards the win to man united even though they were losing 8-1! .... that would NEVER happen in football, so why is it ok for it to happen in boxing? not only that, but your all greatfull for the win as well!

it needs investigating, all them casual fans paying hard earned money to watch the fight who will never watch a live show again.. it has a ripple effect on the sport as a whole. disgusting.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: AO88 on November 26, 2013, 01:20:44 PM
Thought he hurt Groves? There's no thought about it.

George's legs weren't all there from the moment he first got belted with a sweeping right hand to the temple. To a man everyone on this site has stated the stoppage was early, but I can't believe how some folk are trying to peddle a notion that Groves wasn't all that hurt. While he wasn't out of it as in unconscious on his feet, but when a fighters not got his legs under him there's no dispute he's got to be hurting.

Froch jumped on what he knew was a wounded foe, and he landed several more direct hits that had George in a worse state at the finish than he had been when first nailed roughly 30 seconds prior. Not quite in a bad enough state to justify a stoppage at that point in time, but closing in on that state fast aided by Froch's fists.

That is just it though Lurky, your assessment is no more real than mine because me you and every other ranter was denied the chance to see how hurt Groves was.

Sure he may of been hurt, it is a fight after all against a big puncher so Is it not to be expected he got hurt.

Froch had unloaded combo's similar to that earlier on when George was just fine, In the process he often left himself wide open.

Froch believes he has Groves out on his feet, George states he was hit with a shot but that his legs felt fine. Howard Foster sadly without any real justification sided with Froch's point of view.

Many a fighter have been given a chance to recover from far worse a situation and in far less profile bouts.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dannffc on November 26, 2013, 01:26:51 PM
i fully expect you to have a different point of view to my own, due to your strong allegiance to carl. but as you say i was a neutral supporter going into thos fight, i dont have a biased oppinion either way it is based on what we all saw.

to me it was like (work with me here) bradford city beating man united 8-1 in the fa cup final, and the referee suddenly stops the game for no apparent reason and awards the win to man united even though they were losing 8-1! .... that would NEVER happen in football, so why is it ok for it to happen in boxing? not only that, but your all greatfull for the win as well!

it needs investigating, all them casual fans paying hard earned money to watch the fight who will never watch a live show again.. it has a ripple effect on the sport as a whole. disgusting.

It's absofuckinglutely nothing like that.

After reflecting a bit more I see it like this;
Groves fought a brilliant fight.
Groves has won the sporting respect of all for his performance.
Carl started cold, and to even stay with Groves in the first half of the fight, with the amount of shots he took, is remarkable.
Carl proved the Champion he is by forcing a position (after being outboxed) where the ref felt he needed to jump in.
The ref made a mistake.
The ref was wrong, just, at the point he jumped in.
Carl was going to finish it, likely in that round, maybe in one of the last THIRD of the fight.
Groves was 3 points up AT THE TIME of the stoppage. If Carl had won the round as a 10-8 it was game on anyway.
People need to stop accusing and bandying about words like corruption - it's a default position when you don't like the result.
Froch doesn't need to fight Groves again.
Froch should fight in America next.
Groves should fight Steiglitz and get his Title.
If he does then it will be the same outcome - as in, he (Groves) gets stopped late after putting on another great show.
Where does Groves go after being beaten twice by Froch? Albeit with great performances in both.



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Faulks on November 26, 2013, 01:34:53 PM
Its all subjective and down to opinions but i thought it was stopped at the wrong time, though another 10-20 seconds and i think we would of had a more conclusive end to the fight..

GG fought a great fight, Carls never been about speed and movement though George fought a fight no one really believed he would. I expected a slower version of Dirrel.

We'll never know how it would of panned out though no way would it of gone the 12 and looking at it 3-4 times im sticking by the fact Carl would of just come on stronger. That's taking nothing away from GG, Carl didn't have an answer for him in those first 6 rounds so IF there is a rematch i might just fancy GG next time..

For the record i also felt Froch should of given GG a hell of alot more respect afterwards.. The guy gave him one hell of a battle and i hate it when fighters dont really acknowledge it.. Pre-fight & post fight are totally different though after the sustained punches he'd been shipping then ill give him the benefit of the doubt until i read another interview with him when he reflects on the fight.
 


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on November 26, 2013, 01:35:31 PM
Froch the elite got a spanking by some ginger, this is absolutely hilarious.



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: AO88 on November 26, 2013, 01:39:23 PM
It's absofuckinglutely nothing like that.

After reflecting a bit more I see it like this;
Groves fought a brilliant fight.
Groves has won the sporting respect of all for his performance.
Carl started cold, and to even stay with Groves in the first half of the fight, with the amount of shots he took, is remarkable.
Carl proved the Champion he is by forcing a position (after being outboxed) where the ref felt he needed to jump in.
The ref made a mistake.
The ref was wrong, just, at the point he jumped in.
Carl was going to finish it, likely in that round, maybe in one of the last THIRD of the fight.
Groves was 3 points up AT THE TIME of the stoppage. If Carl had won the round as a 10-8 it was game on anyway.
People need to stop accusing and bandying about words like corruption - it's a default position when you don't like the result.
Froch doesn't need to fight Groves again.
Froch should fight in America next.
Groves should fight Steiglitz and get his Title.
If he does then it will be the same outcome - as in, he (Groves) gets stopped late after putting on another great show.
Where does Groves go after being beaten twice by Froch? Albeit with great performances in both.



Not needing too does not mean he should not.

Lets be honest he won't beat Ward in a month of Sundays, Golovkin is all set to fight Martin Murray in February, Carl won't step up in weight so what is there for him?


He will lose a lot of credibility for not rematching Groves irrespective of what you or I think the outcome will be. He cried to the heavens over his Kessler defeat and Mikkel gave him the rematch, now more controversy surrounds one of Carls wins and you don't seem to think a rematch is needed?

I don't see the controversy of this fight just being swept away and forgot about if no rematch happens.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Havoc on November 26, 2013, 01:42:40 PM
Looks even worse in the slow mo.

He took solid shots granted but he didn't slump. Pulled down by Froch when Groves was trying to move out the way then ref jumped on him.

One thing agreed even with most of the Froch fan boys is it was a premature stoppage.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dannffc on November 26, 2013, 01:53:39 PM
Not needing too does not mean he should not.

Lets be honest he won't beat Ward in a month of Sundays, Golovkin is all set to fight Martin Murray in February, Carl won't step up in weight so what is there for him?


He will lose a lot of credibility for not rematching Groves irrespective of what you or I think the outcome will be. He cried to the heavens over his Kessler defeat and Mikkel gave him the rematch, now more controversy surrounds one of Carls wins and you don't seem to think a rematch is needed?

I don't see the controversy of this fight just being swept away and forgot about if no rematch happens.

Your right Aaron. I just don't think it needs to be the next fight. I would like to see it again and Groves and the public deserve to see how it would go. All I'm saying is this; If it's the next fight, and a similar pattern to the fight occurs, albeit with a conclusive stoppage, then what has Groves really achieved? He would have shown that he can "buzz" the toughest chin in the division without stopping him, and Carl proves again that a fight is scheduled for 12 rounds and you MUST be able to see them out if you can't stop the guy before then.

It's all hypothetical. I just think that they will both be better for a break from each other, have a good, well paid fight in May or June, in which Carl fulfils his aim to fight at MSG or Vegas, Groves picks up a title...and then we could really get the roof closed at Wembley in November and see the outcome.

I don't think Carl or George achieve ANYTHING from a repeat performance of Saturday in May 2014 - even if Carl had in fact stopped him late.... The Yanks would just look at the 2 x L on Groves record and hit Groves with the same shit that many are spouting on Twitter and the Forums... Groves couldn't beat Carl who is..a bra wler, one dimensional and is there for the taking etc...So what happens to Groves reputation if he can't do it next time?



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: willlywalllly on November 26, 2013, 01:54:00 PM

People need to stop accusing and bandying about words like corruption - it's a default position when you don't like the result



sorry i didnt read the majority of that post due to the way it was written, has red employed robots to post now?  

jokes aside, i picked up on this point which is really the crux of the matter.

without taking anything away from froch, he got up after a massive knockdown and carried on into the ninth despite getting beaten throughout in every department... fair play to him for that. but no way was he anywhere near as close as the OFFICIAL  scorecards made out, nor was he the deserved winner of the fight we all saw because it shouldnt have been stopped, plus he cheated throughout the fight by using elbows, forearms, and hitting on the break yet not a single point was deducted

believe it or not im not having a go at froch here, but i am deeply concerned about the way this fight was officiated... officials are employed in a sport like boxing to safeguard the fighters first and foremost, but they cant do that if they are either incompetent or corrupt. so which is it?



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dannffc on November 26, 2013, 02:07:24 PM
sorry i didnt read the majority of that post due to the way it was written, has red employed robots to post now?  

jokes aside, i picked up on this point which is really the crux of the matter.

without taking anything away from froch, he got up after a massive knockdown and carried on into the ninth despite getting beaten throughout in every department... fair play to him for that. but no way was he anywhere near as close as the OFFICIAL  scorecards made out, nor was he the deserved winner of the fight we all saw because it shouldnt have been stopped, plus he cheated throughout the fight by using elbows, forearms, and hitting on the break yet not a single point was deducted

believe it or not im not having a go at froch here, but i am deeply concerned about the way this fight was officiated... officials are employed in a sport like boxing to safeguard the fighters first and foremost, but they cant do that if they are either incompetent or corrupt. so which is it?



I don't think Howard Foster is corrupt. If you say that it was incompetence then its your opinion. I think there is a huge difference between a mistake and incompetence. Was it a mistake to not have given Groves more time? Yes. Was it incompetent when the referees remit is to administer the rules of Boxing with one of his main roles being to make split second judgements on this;

"Determines when one fighter's health will be endangered by more blows and thus, stops the fight."


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: willlywalllly on November 26, 2013, 02:15:05 PM
I don't think Howard Foster is corrupt. If you say that it was incompetence then its your opinion. I think there is a huge difference between a mistake and incompetence. Was it a mistake to not have given Groves more time? Yes. Was it incompetent when the referees remit is to administer the rules of Boxing with one of his main roles being to make split second judgements on this;

"Determines when one fighter's health will be endangered by more blows and thus, stops the fight."

its not just the stoppage though is it... its the blatant fouls froch was allowed to commit throughout the fight without points been deducted, then the farcical stoppage, then the official scorecards been totally wrong. all these "mistakes" were made by paid officials. im not just saying this to have a whinge on an internet forum, im going to voice my concerns down the appropriate channels and would urge everybody on here to do the same. whether you support froch or not.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 26, 2013, 02:23:41 PM
I don't think Howard Foster is corrupt. If you say that it was incompetence then its your opinion. I think there is a huge difference between a mistake and incompetence. Was it a mistake to not have given Groves more time? Yes. Was it incompetent when the referees remit is to administer the rules of Boxing with one of his main roles being to make split second judgements on this;

"Determines when one fighter's health will be endangered by more blows and thus, stops the fight."

Its no good danny, waste of time talking to most the clown on here....whatever we say its because were froch fan bois and therefore biast. These guys who are apparently neutral yet have changed all there avatars to that of groves knocking froch down know best. Haters gonna hate. AND STILL.....


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dannffc on November 26, 2013, 02:27:20 PM
its not just the stoppage though is it... its the blatant fouls froch was allowed to commit throughout the fight without points been deducted, then the farcical stoppage, then the official scorecards been totally wrong. all these "mistakes" were made by paid officials. im not just saying this to have a whinge on an internet forum, im going to voice my concerns down the appropriate channels and would urge everybody on here to do the same. whether you support froch or not.


Go for it. Fouls were on both sides, and just as blatant. There was an Italian and an American judge scoring the fight. Take it up with Papa Johns and McDonalds...You'll probably get at least a Pizza or a Burger if you complain enough...


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: sweeno on November 26, 2013, 03:36:33 PM
What amazes me is some of the hatred towards Carl on the forums, FB and Twitter.

Carl has been a fantastic champion and provided the fans with back to back to back incredible fights. All done the hard way. He was never handed a World Title shot on a plate like many fighters out there have been.

Carl was critizised for calling out JC, took years to gain the repsect off fans, everyone loved him after the AA, LB and MK fights, now he's being booed!

The country does it with many of our top sportsman


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Brick Top on November 26, 2013, 03:44:13 PM
That what Froch's last stand, he was on empty, George had already weathered the storm, Carl stopped punching before it was stopped and Groves would have knocked him out.

Its easy to write our opinions down as facts isnt it  ;)


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Box4life on November 26, 2013, 03:45:51 PM
I think a lot of the "Hate" is from the post fight interview ..... According to Froch he was the only one in the ring "I"


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dannffc on November 26, 2013, 03:51:25 PM
What amazes me is some of the hatred towards Carl on the forums, FB and Twitter.

Carl has been a fantastic champion and provided the fans with back to back to back incredible fights. All done the hard way. He was never handed a World Title shot on a plate like many fighters out there have been.

Carl was critizised for calling out JC, took years to gain the repsect off fans, everyone loved him after the AA, LB and MK fights, now he's being booed!

The country does it with many of our top sportsman

It's disgusting.

...And he was "maybe" only a short time away from coming back from being outboxed to stop the guy in a way that everyone would have agreed with... and that would have been OK for everyone again I imagine... Carl the Warrior does it again, never write off a Champion etc etc...Instead we get Fix, Corruption, Retire, Too Slow, Brawler etc etc

I don't think I could watch Carl fight in the UK again after his last "Mega Fights" anyway....The crowds are full of Twats (me included :) ) and the rematch would be Vile...I hope he takes a US option, and any other fight in the UK I'll watch from the safety of my local or home. Still go to the weigh in though...


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: cloughie on November 26, 2013, 03:57:18 PM
well said youth. this whole thing is starting to f#ck me off now. froch was gonna smash the ginger slag.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 26, 2013, 06:51:41 PM
A lot seem to forget Groves stepped on the gas in round 9 after catching Froch with a cracking shot and he was actually going for the stoppage when Carl fired back Groves was actually winning the round until the stoppage, it doesn't help that Carl alienated a lot of people with his comments and behaviour in the lead up to the fight.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jimjack on November 26, 2013, 07:04:54 PM
I don't think Howard Foster is corrupt. If you say that it was incompetence then its your opinion. I think there is a huge difference between a mistake and incompetence. Was it a mistake to not have given Groves more time? Yes. Was it incompetent when the referees remit is to administer the rules of Boxing with one of his main roles being to make split second judgements on this;

"Determines when one fighter's health will be endangered by more blows and thus, stops the fight."

I'm not saying there was definitely something snide going on, but you must admit there are a few discrepencies.
The stoppage at the earliest possible point in favour of Carl.
The scorecards seemingly stacked against the opinion of all the press at ringside.
No point deductions...


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: willlywalllly on November 26, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
I'm not saying there was definitely something snide going on, but you must admit there are a few discrepencies.
The stoppage at the earliest possible point in favour of Carl.
The scorecards seemingly stacked against the opinion of all the press at ringside.
No point deductions...

i dont think you'll find a froch fan on here who will even acknowledge the incompetence shown by officials during that fight.... sad really


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Skratch-Alien on November 26, 2013, 07:45:41 PM
Our country really does get behind a loser  ;D ;D ;D

Groves really rinsing the sympathy vote  //

Kid was about to get decisively stopped and bollocks to any that disagree!!

Keep crying cos ya know what........Froch took your best shot, got right back up and smiled at you ;)

TKO 9 And still ;)


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jaimie77 on November 26, 2013, 07:49:54 PM
Our country really does get behind a loser  ;D ;D ;D

Groves really rinsing the sympathy vote  //

Kid was about to get decisively stopped and bollocks to any that disagree!!

Keep crying cos ya know what........Froch took your best shot, got right back up and smiled at you ;)

TKO 9 And still ;)

And when he retires you can go back to watching football  :P  ;D


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 26, 2013, 07:50:56 PM
And when he retires you can go back to watching football  :P  ;D

How dare you, carls not into football...hes a netball man  ;)


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Skratch-Alien on November 26, 2013, 07:56:26 PM
And when he retires you can go back to watching football  :P  ;D

nah,not really a footy fan,Kabaddi my sport ;)


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jaimie77 on November 26, 2013, 08:03:41 PM
nah,not really a footy fan,Kabaddi my sport ;)

Thought it was buying crap toys ?  :D


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Skratch-Alien on November 26, 2013, 08:29:41 PM
Thought it was buying crap toys ?  :D

You're so lucky I didn't bump into you ;D ;D ;D ;D

SWINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jaimie77 on November 26, 2013, 08:31:24 PM
You're so lucky I didn't bump into you ;D ;D ;D ;D

SWINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha !!  ;D

Missed quite a few people actually, was a very spread out group on sat night.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Red on November 26, 2013, 08:34:51 PM
i dont think you'll find a froch fan on here who will even acknowledge the incompetence shown by officials during that fight.... sad really



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Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: willlywalllly on November 26, 2013, 08:49:31 PM
no not mad, just disappointed


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: mattbaker1510 on November 27, 2013, 09:58:05 AM
Groves was defiantely rocking and rolling and if Carl had carried ounching on George may have ended up on the floor taking a count.  I don't see him being floored as he had turned away and had his hands up.  The only way Carl could have knocked him out cleanly would have been an illegal back of the head shot at the time.  If George had any sense he would have taken the count and ran for the rest of the round.

No idea what would have happened in the next round but if Carl can get pole axed in round 1 and end up still seeing round 9 I think George should have been given the chance to see if he could make it to the end of the fight.

Poor stoppage whichever way you look at it. 


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Methodical4u on November 27, 2013, 07:44:32 PM
it wasnt that groves could have been better,quicker than carl
could it have been that groves was better and quicker than carl on the night

No, I think it showed who has more skill, but perhaps not more will... only the last few rounds would have decided it.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Skratch-Alien on November 27, 2013, 07:52:12 PM
Groves was defiantely rocking and rolling and if Carl had carried ounching on George may have ended up on the floor taking a count.  I don't see him being floored as he had turned away and had his hands up.  The only way Carl could have knocked him out cleanly would have been an illegal back of the head shot at the time.  If George had any sense he would have taken the count and ran for the rest of the round.

No idea what would have happened in the next round but if Carl can get pole axed in round 1 and end up still seeing round 9 I think George should have been given the chance to see if he could make it to the end of the fight.

Poor stoppage whichever way you look at it. 


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Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Skratch-Alien on November 27, 2013, 07:53:39 PM
Those hands don't look like they are up to me?



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jimjack on November 27, 2013, 08:00:43 PM
Those hands don't look like they are up to me?



Neither were carls in rd 1, 4, 5 and 6.
Oh and the start of rd 9.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on November 27, 2013, 08:03:10 PM
why is this even being debated

froch was going to school groves, froch put him down in sparring dont you know. Why should groves disrespect someone with a legacy like that

fightnight : before the bell - groves and paddy starring down froch and his 20 ego masseurs

after the bell decked left hook right hand :D

battered for nine rounds

score cards fixed

premature stoppage

the end

my take is : groves doesnt need the rematch - carl has destroyed any credibility he had - all the talking he did and come fight night he was on his arse in the first round. For someone who was putting groves down in sparring was a pretty unfortunate night eh?!


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Skratch-Alien on November 27, 2013, 08:22:02 PM
Neither were carls in rd 1, 4, 5 and 6.
Oh and the start of rd 9.

Wasn't facing the other way & looking at floor though in some sort of pre-roly poly position was he ;)


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 27, 2013, 08:28:18 PM
why is this even being debated

froch was going to school groves, froch put him down in sparring dont you know. Why should groves disrespect someone with a legacy like that

fightnight : before the bell - groves and paddy starring down froch and his 20 ego masseurs

after the bell decked left hook right hand :D

battered for nine rounds

score cards fixed

premature stoppage

the end

my take is : groves doesnt need the rematch - carl has destroyed any credibility he had - all the talking he did and come fight night he was on his arse in the first round. For someone who was putting groves down in sparring was a pretty unfortunate night eh?!

That you george?


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jimjack on November 27, 2013, 08:41:41 PM
Wasn't facing the other way & looking at floor though in some sort of pre-roly poly position was he ;)

Nope, he was looking at the roof in rd 1.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Brick Top on November 27, 2013, 08:48:50 PM
At no point did Groves turn away, Froch stepped to the side then foster headlocked him before he could turn around


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Skratch-Alien on November 27, 2013, 09:18:43 PM
At no point did Groves turn away, Froch stepped to the side then foster headlocked him before he could turn around


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Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Skratch-Alien on November 27, 2013, 09:21:18 PM
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Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 27, 2013, 09:23:06 PM
hahahahaha, youl never beat the cobra.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 27, 2013, 09:28:16 PM
hahahahaha, youl never beat the cobra.

Aye tell that to Kessler and Ward  ;D


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Tim2366 on November 27, 2013, 09:37:05 PM
Aye tell that to Kessler and Ward  ;D

we did lol  ;)


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: wbamitch on November 27, 2013, 09:50:59 PM
I can't believe this is still being discussed and we're trying to find ways how on earth it was a legit stoppage.  We all know it wasn't whatever angle or slow mo you get on it.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Brick Top on November 27, 2013, 10:22:12 PM
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What's your point? As I said Froch steps off to the right then foster grabs Groves, at no point does Groves turn


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Skratch-Alien on November 28, 2013, 04:53:11 AM
What's your point? As I said Froch steps off to the right then foster grabs Groves, at no point does Groves turn

Groves turns into Mr.Bean on the end of that diving board........clear as day!


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jorg21 on November 28, 2013, 05:27:03 AM
http://youtu.be/Ex2KqAyPPKk
 (http://youtu.be/Ex2KqAyPPKk)

Prefer this myself than the slo mo vid  ;D.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Heathen on November 28, 2013, 08:05:43 AM
[url]http://youtu.be/Ex2KqAyPPKk[/url]
 ([url]http://youtu.be/Ex2KqAyPPKk[/url])

Prefer this myself than the slo mo vid  ;D.


 ;D. The best bit is the Degale bit at the end though


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: AO88 on November 28, 2013, 08:40:52 AM
I'm willing to draw a line in the sand in this if red, skratch or dan are willing to admit the better man lost that fight and that avoidance of a rematch constitutes a clear ducking.

One of the frochites admits that followed by a #TeamGroves and I see no reason why we can not move on to discussing  a new topic like the withdrawal of Nathan cleverly from the next blockbuster show at the copperbox.

 ;)




Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Bonters on November 28, 2013, 09:01:26 AM
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Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dannffc on November 28, 2013, 09:13:11 AM
I'm willing to draw a line in the sand in this if red, skratch or dan are willing to admit the better man lost that fight and that avoidance of a rematch constitutes a clear ducking.

One of the frochites admits that followed by a #TeamGroves and I see no reason why we can not move on to discussing  a new topic like the withdrawal of Nathan cleverly from the next blockbuster show at the copperbox.

 ;)





I'll take this man's thoughts over yours - http://www.fighthype.com/news/article15666.html (http://www.fighthype.com/news/article15666.html)


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: mattbaker1510 on November 28, 2013, 10:14:32 AM
I agree, just don't get some of the Froch fans.  I am one by the way.  I am going to go with my immediate reaction which was "what the f*ck?"  The stoppage was too early.  I think given another 20 seconds or so Froch might have knocked George to the ground.  No idea if he would get back up or make it to the bell.  He should have been given the chance, simple as that.  The ref wan't jumping in to save George from a Bute style beating and George hadn't gone down in the fight yet so he should have waited.

I think this is why there needs to be a rematch.  George did very well through the first half of the fight.  Froch was starting to wake up a bit and had George in a bit of trouble.  No one knows how it would have ended and by the look of it on this forum there is no clear consensus so they should do it again.

If Froch keeps his left up, which I know would be a miracle, I suspect it may be an even better fight.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Gadje on November 28, 2013, 01:05:45 PM
I'll take this man's thoughts over yours - [url]http://www.fighthype.com/news/article15666.html[/url] ([url]http://www.fighthype.com/news/article15666.html[/url])


He said more. Hunter on Froch-

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article15667.html (http://www.fighthype.com/news/article15667.html)


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dannffc on November 28, 2013, 01:10:57 PM
He said more. Hunter on Froch-

[url]http://www.fighthype.com/news/article15667.html[/url] ([url]http://www.fighthype.com/news/article15667.html[/url])


Yeah..I noticed. He said Froch would win a rematch.


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: son of bonters on November 28, 2013, 02:10:38 PM
I'm willing to draw a line in the sand in this if red, skratch or dan are willing to admit the better man lost that fight and that avoidance of a rematch constitutes a clear ducking.

One of the frochites admits that followed by a #TeamGroves and I see no reason why we can not move on to discussing  a new topic like the withdrawal of Nathan cleverly from the next blockbuster show at the copperbox.

 ;)




 ;D


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Driscoll on November 28, 2013, 05:26:02 PM
[url]http://youtu.be/Ex2KqAyPPKk[/url]
 ([url]http://youtu.be/Ex2KqAyPPKk[/url])

Prefer this myself than the slo mo vid  ;D.


If he dug the whole any deeper he would've struck oil  ;D


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Brick Top on November 28, 2013, 05:36:30 PM
I'll take this man's thoughts over yours - [url]http://www.fighthype.com/news/article15666.html[/url] ([url]http://www.fighthype.com/news/article15666.html[/url])


When it suits you....



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: dannffc on November 28, 2013, 05:42:56 PM
When it suits you....



I'd say its balanced...What's up? Doesn't suit you? Narrative not strong enough in Groves favour for you? You want him to say something else? There's plenty about saying exactly the same.... It's a shame isn't it, that after the dust settles and more opinion comes out, its nearly all Froch would have stopped him and he'd do the same again....The Ref saved you all from a conclusive smackdown...It's only taken 5 days for it to sink in through the hysteria of shaking hands and interviews you don't like...


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Brick Top on November 28, 2013, 05:46:50 PM
I'd say its balanced...What's up? Doesn't suit you? Narrative not strong enough in Groves favour for you? You want him to say something else? There's plenty about saying exactly the same.... It's a shame isn't it, that after the dust settles and more opinion comes out, its nearly all Froch would have stopped him and he'd do the same again....The Ref saved you all from a conclusive smackdown...It's only taken 5 days for it to sink in through the hysteria of shaking hands and interviews you don't like...

I didnt even read it, just the line you quoted, I just find it mildly amusing that before Ward ragdolled Froch around for 3/4 on an hour with one hand this man talked bollocks, now he's said something in positive about Froch its Gospel. Carl would be proud of the contradictions of his faithful


Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 28, 2013, 05:52:49 PM
[url]http://youtu.be/Ex2KqAyPPKk[/url]
 ([url]http://youtu.be/Ex2KqAyPPKk[/url])

Prefer this myself than the slo mo vid  ;D.


I take when Froch got back to the corner he said 'F*ck me' meaning what just happened?



Title: Re: The Stoppage [slow speed VIDEO]
Post by: jorg21 on November 28, 2013, 06:27:23 PM
I take when Froch got back to the corner he said 'F*ck me' meaning what just happened?



Sounds it.