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Title: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 30, 2013, 06:50:50 PM
'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again? I'm Enjoying My Emphatic Win, Now Bring On Ward. He'll Get The Same Treatment As Bute !!

Carl Froch says he does not have to fight George Groves again following the pair's controversial encounter last Saturday in Manchester, England. Froch also says Groves cannot cut it at world level, and he would knock him out properly should they ever meet in the ring again, which Froch states is unlikely.

''As much as the fans want to see a natural conclusion against George Groves, with me knocking him out again, I feel personally I gave him his chance and he blew it - he can't cut it at world leve.'' Froch said - despite the fact Groves was his mandatory challenger and Froch was ordered to face him, and Groves then dominated and outclassed Froch, dropped the veteran and was ahead on all three scorecards when referee Howard Foster controversially stopped the action after Froch had some success in the 9th round and landed a few clean punches.

''I've done my job and it's time to move on. I'm not motivated by money, I'm motivated by securing a legacy. It doesn’t do anything for my personal goals. George Groves was on my hitlist and guess what? On my record it says Froch v Groves – Froch TKO round 9, that’s what it says and that’s a very satisfying result on my record for the history books. They’re the facts. It’s a bitter pill for George Groves to swallow. I took the victory from him by being the warrior and the strong ironman that I am.''

''The bottom line is, he had his chance, he got off to an unbelievable start, the best start ever. He didn’t fight a 100 per cent Carl Froch, for reasons I’m not going to divulge. I don’t complain about injury, but let me tell you something, I was not 100 per cent. A lot of people in my team know why, my doctor knows why. There were issues going into the fight and George Groves, if he was ever going to beat me, that was the only chance he had to beat me. There’s no other way Groves can beat me, it’s not gonna happen. It would never happen. He got off to the best possible start and he blew it himself. He should have maybe, with hindsight, gone for the finish but I don’t think he’s got it in him.''

Froch, who still holds the IBF and WBA 'Regular' super middleweight titles, now believes Andre Ward should travel to the UK to fight him in a rematch. Ward, the WBA 'Super' and Ring Magazine super middleweight king, faced Froch in December 2011, and won a one sided unanimous decision as he outclassed Froch despite going into the fight with a broken hand.

''Ideally I'll fight Andre Ward next. It’s only fair for Ward to come over here. In my 34-fight career, there’s only one man I haven’t beaten - Andre Ward. Groves put me down and still couldn't beat me, when I came back at him he didn't know what to do. You’ve seen how Groves moved on from that, he’s been stopped in round nine, it was just another one of my great performances.''

''If Ward came over to the UK, it would be like when Lucian Bute came out of his country for the first time. You saw what happened to Bute. Lucian Bute came over to the UK, you saw what happened there. If Andre Ward decided to do the same he'll be getting the same treatment.'' Froch said.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 30, 2013, 06:51:48 PM
Let the debate begin lol  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on November 30, 2013, 07:07:27 PM
Guess ward will prove Carl can't cut it at world level based on his reasoning.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Flaccid Member on November 30, 2013, 07:16:17 PM
In the words of Froch at the end of the 6th - "F@ck me"



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on November 30, 2013, 07:19:37 PM
Carl 'the contradiction' Froch. George has obviously rattled is brain around more that originally feared.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: 7777 on November 30, 2013, 07:21:11 PM
These quotes have been out all week to be honest mate

I'm going to try and be balanced and reasonable without a one-liner....

I've been quiet on this all week, some of the bickering has been worse than my 4 year old's playground!

Said it in a post after the fight but it's shame that some of the posters on here who are (in the main) actually really clued up about boxing can't be balanced enough to see there are two sides to this and Groves / Froch both have a right to feel aggrieved. Nobody got to see the finish they wanted but neither fighter is to blame and I don't think the ref is either and I don't have a lot of time for Howard Foster!

Personally, taking the handshake and verbal stuff out of it, I think it's Froch that has suffered more (controversial I know). He didn't get to rubber stamp the stoppage and it can be argued all day long but it's my opinion that it was on it's way and he was getting well on top of the fight and would have stopped Groves. Opinions are like arseholes though right  ;)

Froch words it terribly and really needs a PR man as he is losing fans left right and centre through not explaining himself properly but I think I reading between the lines, I agree with what Froch is saying about Groves not being at World level...YET.

He has only fought 12 rounds twice. Once against Degale which was controversial and the other against a punching bag in Glencoffe Johnson. Froch and McCracken have both said this week they expected George to start well and gave him props, perhaps not so well as he did but they still gave him props. They also said there are 3 parts to a fight. Split the fight into thirds and anyone can win early (see Prizefighter) as lots of fighters start well or are warmed up / cold. Then the 2nd third and you have someone making their mark on the fight and then the championship rounds.

Here is where I think it's key. Froch took at least 3 rounds to recover from that haymaker of a right hand for the first third of the fight but was still in it. Watch the fight with the sound down because Jim Watt would have you believe Froch did F*ck all and also did all the fouling. The knockdown was Frochs' own fault, left hand down, terrible footwork, square on and boom, Groves studied it and went and executed brilliantly. It's the best I have seen the kid fight and I hope he does sort out any stamina issues as he could be a multiple world champion

Regardless of the posturing, I do think there will be a rematch!!

Lots to take into account for the second fight if it happens and it's all about who can make the adjustments

I'm on the fence, I'd go for a Froch stoppage as I think that was his best chance of the win but if he also makes adjustments, I could also see Groves doing it next time, it really is an intriguing fight

Groves called Froch on his defence and footwork before the fight and in the first round Froch as I've said, he walked right into it, literally. Left hand down, square on whilst punching and got absolutely banjo'd.

I am sure McCracken will have got on that and they will work on it for a rematch but will a leopard change it's spots when the red mist descends etc, is he too old to change that style or will he fight smart like he did against Abraham behind the jab, avoiding that big right hand?

I could see Fitzpatrick telling Groves to go for the kill next time as clearly they stood off this time biding their time which never came again

I don't think Groves will put as much weight on between fights either, Haye said he was up to 14st at one point so if he maintains a decent weight and doesn't have to dry out as much the night before, trains well, he may well have the stamina for 12 rounds and then it's also a completely different fight. He was definitely tiring though, look at the end of the 7th and 8th rounds and he looks like he is ready to go at that point, the fight was taking much more of a physical toll on him than Froch and that's just as they're going into the Championship rounds. I honestly only saw a Froch stoppage at that point and maybe the points Bellew makes are spot in in terms of him coming out of it doing okay and not being the 'nearly man'

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/182179-qaa-tony-bellew-on-stevenson-im-going-to-beat-on-this-midget (http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/182179-qaa-tony-bellew-on-stevenson-im-going-to-beat-on-this-midget)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tito on November 30, 2013, 07:48:14 PM
Froch thinks Ward should travel here to face him ......why Ward went from the west coast to the east coast to face Froch and ruined him why would he want to travel here with the poor judging and very questionable decisions for home fighters that would probably go against him. Froch should forget about Ward he is on to a complete loser facing him the money fight is the Groves fight all this talk about fighting in the US don't make anything a rematch would


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 30, 2013, 07:52:02 PM
I still stand by the fact that the rematch won't happen, that Rob Mckracken won't let it happen, i honestly ( unless Carl WAS injured ) can't see how his performance against Groves gives people the confidence he would beat Ward or even Groves again ?

His massive Heart pulled it out the bag last time, but how often can he keep doing that ?? Against Ward especially !!

Even if he were to beat either in his next fight he would ship a hell of a lot of punishment to get the win and does he really need it at this stage of his life ??


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on November 30, 2013, 07:53:45 PM
Before the hate begins....Froch has cut it at world level so shhhhhhh.

Really cant see Froch being this arrogant after some what of a humbling though. Sometimes these articles just look made up.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on November 30, 2013, 08:15:54 PM
You guys can debate amongst yourselves.

It's about as relevant or interesting as Kony 2012

#TKO9



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: mac-rebel021 on November 30, 2013, 08:29:07 PM
The previous legacy building fights will be as relevant as kony2012
If he ducks groves rematch.
#ducker


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 30, 2013, 08:32:52 PM
You guys can debate amongst yourselves.

It's about as relevant or interesting as Kony 2012

#TKO9



What's your thoughts Red ? Honest question.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: tomstrong on November 30, 2013, 08:39:12 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! That is all...The guy is a fooking cock.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 30, 2013, 08:40:17 PM
Good points Bellew makes 777's



RTV: Can I have your thoughts on Carl Froch vs. George Groves

TB:  I’ve known George Groves since the amateurs, and I’ve always been impressed by his boxing ability and punching power. Also, anyone who doubts his bravery need to do some checking. I was in Poland with him (at an amateur tournament) when he fought two rounds with a badly broken jaw, so I know how gutsy George could be. That said I was surprised when he claimed center ring and dictated the range against Carl Froch. When he scored the knockdown in Round 1 it took Carl a few rounds to get over that and it was a great fight. I feel for both of them because Carl was robbed of his moment of glory (due to the early stoppage) but George Groves was stopped too quickly. Still, George may have hit the lottery here. I think he was five or ten seconds away from being knocked out and if that had happened he would have been labelled a front runner for the rest of his career. Now we’ve swung around the other way and Carl Froch is the villain of boxing, and George Groves is the darling of the sport. George is also in a powerful position for the rematch, which will be huge. It was an early call by the referee, but I personally don’t believe George was going to survive that round. The referee’s decision making reminded me of (Arturo) Gatti vs. (Micky) Ward, when )referee) Frank Cappuccino allowed Gatti to fight on, in Round 9. No other fighter on the planet would have been allowed to take that punishment, but the referee gave Gatti the benefit of the doubt because of his warrior mentality. That’s what happened on Saturday. If George Groves had been as badly hurt as Carl was in Round 1 then I believe the referee would have stopped the fight, and that means reputation is playing a part in the game, when it shouldn’t. It’s wrong that George gets the reputation for being this chinny kid, because he’s not a vulnerable fighter. He’s been down a couple of times, and it is what it is, but boxing can be so fickle. In the space of an hour Carl Froch went from hero to villain which is crazy. He did nothing wrong.

 


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: tomstrong on November 30, 2013, 08:44:21 PM
You guys can debate amongst yourselves.

It's about as relevant or interesting as Kony 2012

#TKO9



Thats about as relevant as Froch!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Faulks on November 30, 2013, 08:51:20 PM
nail head and what the majority of knowledgable fans have been saying all along


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 30, 2013, 09:03:52 PM
I tell you what I noticed watching fight back was Barry Hearn at ringside, he was watching with no emotion at all whilst George was controlling the early rounds, looked a worried man, he was sitting next to Rachel who was obviously animated and getting behind Carl.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on November 30, 2013, 09:46:33 PM
Carl.. Cmon stop with the silly talk. Give credit where credits due. I used to think alot more of carl froch the boxer but the build up chat, after fight ignoring a simple handshake, then these EXCUSES for not honouring a great fight for the fans (who pay his wages) is bullshit.

He'd win alot more fans if wasnt being like this. Ward will beat him worse than last time anyone who thinks different is a fool.

Groves is world level, is a very good fighter and with a better camp now will go on and win a title.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Kevan2 on November 30, 2013, 10:01:29 PM
and will have both shoulders this time


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on November 30, 2013, 10:16:35 PM
I tell you what I noticed watching fight back was Barry Hearn at ringside, he was watching with no emotion at all whilst George was controlling the early rounds, looked a worried man, he was sitting next to Rachel who was obviously animated and getting behind Carl.

I've heard it said before Barry actually has a soft spot for George where as Eddie is good pals with Carl so I wouldn't read too much into that


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tito on November 30, 2013, 10:42:57 PM
I tell you what I noticed watching fight back was Barry Hearn at ringside, he was watching with no emotion at all whilst George was controlling the early rounds, looked a worried man, he was sitting next to Rachel who was obviously animated and getting behind Carl.

She wants muzzling all you can hear is her ''go on carl'' about a million times. Who would want her beside you screeching for a hour


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on November 30, 2013, 10:54:13 PM
Rumours now circulating that Stamford Bridge has been booked 10 May for the rematch and Hearn will announce it when he gets back from Canada


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Socrates on November 30, 2013, 10:56:08 PM
She wants muzzling all you can hear is her ''go on carl'' about a million times. Who would want her beside you screeching for a hour

All about context.

Her screeching my name for an hour elsewhere could be quite entertaining.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Socrates on November 30, 2013, 10:56:47 PM
Rumours now circulating that Stamford Bridge has been booked 10 May for the rematch and Hearn will announce it when he gets back from Canada

I hope they've shook hands on the deal.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on November 30, 2013, 11:05:57 PM
Rumours now circulating that Stamford Bridge has been booked 10 May for the rematch and Hearn will announce it when he gets back from Canada

I can comment in this:

Total bullshit.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on November 30, 2013, 11:07:55 PM
I can comment in this:

Total bullshit.


I certainly imagine so, some twatter shite apparently


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: KnuckleSandwich on November 30, 2013, 11:10:16 PM
Rumours now circulating that Stamford Bridge has been booked 10 May for the rematch and Hearn will announce it when he gets back from Canada


Hahaha - thats the funniest thing ive heard all year! Why would CF ever agree to that!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 01, 2013, 12:03:45 AM
Carl the contradiction Froch! Carl doesn't want the rematch i've been saying it since his first comments on the Sunday and Monday after the fight he's coming up with every reason not to take the rematch Groves isn't world level? Why did he put a world champion on his arse and Carl was gone for 2 rounds afterwards aswell he didn't get back into it till round 8.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 01, 2013, 12:30:37 AM
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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 01, 2013, 12:50:12 AM
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Don't be like that red, if we was all blind to the truth it would be no fun. Lucky for the fools on here me brick top and a few others know the dance.

Outside of that everyone else just repeats irrelevant tosh.

  ;)



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 01, 2013, 01:27:54 AM
([url]http://i42.tinypic.com/2zqqxk5.jpg[/url])


Where do you find this shit? Dread to think what's on your browsing history  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 01, 2013, 03:18:03 AM
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Hehe - The one in the middle looks like the mouth of impartiality.  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Chris on December 01, 2013, 05:34:04 AM
Groves doesn't belong at world level? Did Carl actually say that? Because last week after the fight he said that Groves showed he belongs at world level. I think it was in the post fight presser..


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tito on December 01, 2013, 06:01:10 AM
Groves doesn't belong at world level? Did Carl actually say that? Because last week after the fight he said that Groves showed he belongs at world level. I think it was in the post fight presser..

To much is being said a lot of it is being said out of context. Froch will take the fights his promoter will decide what is the best option for him. If he refuses to face Groves next he is likely to have fight someone for less money even if its in the US and the fans are less likely to stump up for a PPV with a nobody like JCC Jr and I can't see Golovkin being a option either.
At the end of the day the fans want a rematch and won't tolerate any bullshit he is no big PPV draw like Hatton was and who could get away fighting a nobody like Urango and Collazo and get the fans to stump up for it. The way Matchroom have set up there business model means the big PPV shows they put together have to make money to subsidise the smaller shows they are filling with a massive rota of fighters. That is from Eddie's mouth so no way are they going to bomb a PPV opportunity like a rematch because it will easily do 750k buys or more and that leaves plenty of cash to help pay these Olympians coming along


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 01, 2013, 10:12:37 AM
Carl the contradiction Froch! Carl doesn't want the rematch i've been saying it since his first comments on the Sunday and Monday after the fight he's coming up with every reason not to take the rematch Groves isn't world level? Why did he put a world champion on his arse and Carl was gone for 2 rounds afterwards aswell he didn't get back into it till round 8.

Give you credit on that one lad you called it from the start looking ever more likely


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 01, 2013, 10:34:20 AM
Just reading through facebook seen this comment from a female friend who watches the big fights

Jist watched frochs interview after his fight ,,, what a fuckin prick



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 01, 2013, 11:06:29 AM
Just reading through facebook seen this comment from a female friend who watches the big fights

Jist watched frochs interview after his fight ,,, what a fuckin prick



Oh well, that's it then!  If some random bird who watches the big fights says so, it must be right!   //


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 01, 2013, 11:10:58 AM
Oh well, that's it then!  If some random bird who watches the big fights says so, it must be right!   //

Either your being a sarcastic or missing the point the point is the average person casual fan what ever you want to call them the fans Carl worked so hard to win now think he's a twat so I guess if he was going for the tune in and hope to see me get beat image it worked.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 01, 2013, 11:14:37 AM
I can't wait until it moves to a new page, that pic red put up is nasty  :o


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: CelticHiggo on December 01, 2013, 11:21:15 AM
Froch has done himself no favours in the build up and after the fight with Groves.It took him a long time to get fans on his side and to get the recognition he deserves and that could be all for nothing.I dont remember another fighter in the UK have so many fans turn against them in such a short space of time.Its very sad really and it has to effect Froch with the backlash he's getting.

We have a few on this site that will stick by their man no matter how much a prick he has become and thats their business.

Froch has definitely let the fame go to his head in the last couple of years as did Ricky Hatton but the hate towards Carl is unbelievable.He needs to rethink how he goes about things in the next couple of months because the public perception of him now is not good.

I hope he gets the fans back on his side.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 01, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Froch has done himself no favours in the build up and after the fight with Groves.It took him a long time to get fans on his side and to get the recognition he deserves and that could be all for nothing.I dont remember another fighter in the UK have so many fans turn against them in such a short space of time.Its very sad really and it has to effect Froch with the backlash he's getting.

We have a few on this site that will stick by their man no matter how much a prick he has become and thats their business.

Froch has definitely let the fame go to his head in the last couple of years as did Ricky Hatton but the hate towards Carl is unbelievable.He needs to rethink how he goes about things in the next couple of months because the public perception of him now is not good.

I hope he gets the fans back on his side.

Good post. I think the sad thing is and I don't know Carl Froch never met the guy that he's a down to earth sort of lad I don't know if it is fame going to his head self esteem poor media training or a deliberate image change because he surely must know some of the things he's saying will get a reaction.

I seen the thread on the Froch board about him sending twitter followers DM messages no idea if he manages the account himself but stuff like that needs knocked on the head right away.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 01, 2013, 12:03:08 PM
Groves fans:

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2edch1c.jpg)







Froch fans:

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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: GOD on December 01, 2013, 12:07:29 PM
Froch should not have to fight him again had a certain someone done his job properly...

Froch's legacy has been tarnished...by Howard Foster and NO ONE else...

If Froch was on his way to victory the ref should have just let Groves get properly executed...

It was the PERFECT storyline...

1. In Eddie Hearns words, Froch was rendered unconscious by Groves (you can actually see this in the close up fight replay) and was unconscious when he got up...I've NEVER seen a fighter get up from a punch like that...that shot from Groves was in the class of the punch that Hatton took from Manny...

2. Froch took a pasting throughout the fight, taking clean right hand again and again and pushed onto the back foot...

3. Froch gets stronger towards the end of the fight and pulls out the fight saving punch to the top of Groves' head that shook up his equilibrium...

The next steps (for Froch's legacy) should have been...

4. Groves rendered unconscious on the ground and fails to beat the count...

5. Froch takes the acclaim in the greatest ever comeback on British soil...Froch leaves to the adoration of the fans...Groves gets applause for his tremendous courage but Froch is the one who takes the true acclaim...

6. Froch decides to call it a day and this last fight stays in the memories of the fight fans forever...

This has been TARNISHED!!!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 01, 2013, 12:10:06 PM
Red to be fair not everyone is a groves fan who is out to get Carl, i think you will find a lot of people with no particular alligiance think he is going about things all wrong at the moment. It's a real shame.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: CelticHiggo on December 01, 2013, 12:14:54 PM
Im certainly not a Groves fan.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 01, 2013, 12:32:28 PM
It's a real shame.


(http://i40.tinypic.com/2ewcjyq.jpg)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 01, 2013, 12:40:11 PM
I paid this guy to make this video...

CARL FROCH V GEORGE GROVES - SO YOU THINK GROVES WON? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGoNMnftMU#ws)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 01, 2013, 12:44:35 PM
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Very good  :)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: lurkyshaka on December 01, 2013, 12:46:42 PM

Groves has whined like a b*tch, even though what happened was a blessing in disguise.

Dream start but at the end of the day a lacklustre Froch had through nuts and guts worn Georgie down and had him teetering on the brink in the 9th. Early stoppage yes, but NOBODY can claim that Groves held the momentum by the time the 9th came around. In truth Foster robbed Froch more than Groves, George was given a lifeline and excuse he'll be able to turn to for the rest of his career. Folk seem to have forgotten that George had been winding down in the 7th and 8th.....but lest anyone forget Groves had already lost his grip before Foster did anything wrong.

Having said all that, Groves is worthy of a return and if Carl took on a Yusef Mack type next then George would have right to feel aggrieved......BUT.....if Froch can land major fights against the likes of Ward, Golovkin, Stevenson etc then he has every right to take those fights rather than going over old ground against Groves.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: 7777 on December 01, 2013, 12:51:42 PM
Carl the contradiction Froch! Carl doesn't want the rematch i've been saying it since his first comments on the Sunday and Monday after the fight he's coming up with every reason not to take the rematch Groves isn't world level? Why did he put a world champion on his arse and Carl was gone for 2 rounds afterwards aswell he didn't get back into it till round 8.

Round 8?! I've seen some shite about the fight and that's up there


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on December 01, 2013, 01:18:53 PM
I reckon Matchroom would stump up the cash (should Groves sign with Eddie) for Groves v Steiglitz or Abraham, whoever has the title.

If Groves wins, then unification with Froch.

Eitherway, dozy comment from Froch, Groves more than cut it at World Level especially considering the amount of fights he has had.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 01, 2013, 01:28:15 PM
(http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/brick-top/1456599_430327277067949_387699454_n_zps0201524e.jpg)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 01, 2013, 01:30:37 PM
Groves fans:

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Froch fans:

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(http://i.qkme.me/3t7616.jpg)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 01, 2013, 01:37:13 PM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2yuzfv8.jpg)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 01, 2013, 01:43:48 PM
([url]http://i40.tinypic.com/2yuzfv8.jpg[/url])


very good  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 01, 2013, 02:51:59 PM
Round 8?! I've seen some shite about the fight and that's up there

I gave Carl rounds 3 and 5 the rest were all Groves 6 was a clear Groves round 7 Carl done better 8 was probably a Carl round after i seen it again so i could have scored it 77-74 or 78-73 why is it so much shite that i say he struggled until round 8? just because you nick a few rounds doesn't mean you're back in the fight when the other guy is still battering you with right hands.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 01, 2013, 04:39:04 PM
Red to be fair not everyone is a groves fan who is out to get Carl, i think you will find a lot of people with no particular alligiance think he is going about things all wrong at the moment. It's a real shame.

Im probably groves biggest fan and i fort it should have been stopped probably 20 seconds before it was. Terrible official letting my favorite fighter get beat up like that.  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 01, 2013, 04:51:47 PM
I paid this guy to make this video...

CARL FROCH V GEORGE GROVES - SO YOU THINK GROVES WON? ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGoNMnftMU#ws[/url])


Why?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 01, 2013, 05:07:43 PM
I said straight after the fight there would be no re match.
Why would there be?
Like breaking out of jail and knocking on the front door to get back in.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 01, 2013, 05:33:58 PM
Slightly off topic but I was watching the first round knock down again and I can't help but question the refs conduct he walks Groves to the natural corner then cleans Carls gloves standard but he fails to ask Carl to raise his hands makes no eye contact with him and doesn't ask him to walk forward. Most people go on about the stoppage but I can't help question his dealing off the knock down or am I seeing something that's not there?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 01, 2013, 06:22:20 PM
Slightly off topic but I was watching the first round knock down again and I can't help but question the refs conduct he walks Groves to the natural corner then cleans Carls gloves standard but he fails to ask Carl to raise his hands makes no eye contact with him and doesn't ask him to walk forward. Most people go on about the stoppage but I can't help question his dealing off the knock down or am I seeing something that's not there?

But he also let Groves hit Carl after the bell....less of the conspiracy theories.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 01, 2013, 06:25:57 PM
But he also let Groves hit Carl after the bell....less of the conspiracy theories.

But he also didn't punish Carl for hitting on the break numerous times and catching Groves on the head with an elbow and using his forearm.....it's stupid saying "he didn't do this or this" But simple things like asking a fighter to walk forward after a knockdown is simple practice.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 01, 2013, 06:31:45 PM
But he also didn't punish Carl for hitting on the break numerous times and catching Groves on the head with an elbow and using his forearm.....it's stupid saying "he didn't do this or this" But simple things like asking a fighter to walk forward after a knockdown is simple practice.

If he asked carl to walk forward n dusted his gloves etc. youd than say he was giving carl more time to recover. Cant win with u clowns. Groves had Froch down and hurt but with little time left in the round so surely the ref knew this and acted accordingly.

I swear youd get less barrel scraping on a george groves forum than this one.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 01, 2013, 06:36:21 PM
If he asked carl to walk forward n dusted his gloves etc. youd than say he was giving carl more time to recover. Cant win with u clowns. Groves had Froch down and hurt but with little time left in the round so surely the ref knew this and acted accordingly.

I swear youd get less barrel scraping on a george groves forum than this one.

This is the Groves forum.

 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 01, 2013, 06:47:12 PM
This is the Groves forum.

 ;D

It is now. ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 01, 2013, 07:00:43 PM
This is the Groves forum.

 ;D

Correct, Carl has his little board, this is Grove's board now that he is World Boxing personified  ^-^


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 01, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
This is the Groves forum.

 ;D

 haha no wonder i cudn't find a world title on here.  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 01, 2013, 07:05:23 PM
haha no wonder i cudn't find a world title on here.  ;)

Watch for water leaks on that sinking ship over there, there might be a few ducks about too  :-*


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Spice on December 01, 2013, 07:06:50 PM
Twat!!!!!





  


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 01, 2013, 07:08:13 PM
Twat!!!!!





  

who?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Havoc on December 01, 2013, 07:08:49 PM
Not on world level huh?

From where i was sitting, a non world class fighter schooled a world class fighter for 9 rounds.

Based on Carl's logic. Why should Andre Ward take a rematch?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 01, 2013, 07:17:02 PM
I have no idea why these Groves vs Froch debates fail to take off.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: CelticHiggo on December 01, 2013, 07:25:39 PM
Ward looked like he had no where to go at smw and along came Groves.

Nobody wants to see Froch against Ward and im not only saying it now ive said it since it was so one sided last time.No disrespect to Froch but i think Groves gives ward a tougher fight.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 01, 2013, 07:29:15 PM
Watch for water leaks on that sinking ship over there, there might be a few ducks about too  :-*

Every ship can only stay afloat so long...its nice to see so many people jump on and off over the years but always prefered the crew that stayed loyal. 34 fights 32 wins 24 ko's....and still. Team Froch.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 01, 2013, 07:34:17 PM
Ward looked like he had no where to go at smw and along came Groves.

Nobody wants to see Froch against Ward and im not only saying it now ive said it since it was so one sided last time.No disrespect to Froch but i think Groves gives ward a tougher fight.

I think in a few fights time you could be correct.

If Carl does not fancy the rematch then let George go off and get a few world class wins under his belt, collect a belt or two hopefully on the way and it could make for a good fight.

Wonder if Groves team would fancy a Kessler fight if the rematch fails to happen?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 01, 2013, 07:36:39 PM
Every ship can only stay afloat so long...its nice to see so many people jump on and off over the years but always prefered the crew that stayed loyal. 34 fights 32 wins 24 ko's....and still. Team Froch.

Correct, its just a shame to see so many trying to bail out the water and pretend all's well


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 01, 2013, 07:45:01 PM
Correct, its just a shame to see so many trying to bail out the water and pretend all's well

Ive agreed that froch was shit n groves was good, ive agreed that groves was up on the scorecards at time of stoppage, ive agreed that froch was badly hurt in round 1, ive agreed that groves outboxed him for a majority of the fight and ive agreed that the stoppage was early.

The flaw is that no groves fan will accept the fact that he was in serious trouble at time of stoppage. They have this insane idea that he was going to take another 90 seconds of punishment from froch and than shake it off in between rounds.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 01, 2013, 07:48:22 PM
Ive agreed that froch was shit n groves was good, ive agreed that groves was up on the scorecards at time of stoppage, ive agreed that froch was badly hurt in round 1, ive agreed that groves outboxed him for a majority of the fight and ive agreed that the stoppage was early.



welcome aboard  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 01, 2013, 07:49:05 PM
Tko 9



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 01, 2013, 07:57:27 PM
(http://3.s3.envato.com/files/31632999/SINKING-SHIP-Preview.jpg)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: CelticHiggo on December 01, 2013, 08:11:18 PM
Ive agreed that froch was shit n groves was good, ive agreed that groves was up on the scorecards at time of stoppage, ive agreed that froch was badly hurt in round 1, ive agreed that groves outboxed him for a majority of the fight and ive agreed that the stoppage was early.

The flaw is that no groves fan will accept the fact that he was in serious trouble at time of stoppage. They have this insane idea that he was going to take another 90 seconds of punishment from froch and than shake it off in between rounds.

Good post Tim, regarding the fight

Now you only have to agree that Froch has turned into a proper Bellend  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 01, 2013, 08:14:27 PM
But he also let Groves hit Carl after the bell....less of the conspiracy theories.

What was it you said to me about Froch never being stopped still believe that?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 01, 2013, 08:39:12 PM
Good post Tim, regarding the fight

Now you only have to agree that Froch has turned into a proper Bellend  ;D

Hahaha I hate you all  :D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 01, 2013, 08:41:42 PM
What was it you said to me about Froch never being stopped still believe that?

Id probz change that to Froch will never be stopped outside the first 3 rounds haha. He took some massive shots in the 6th and still didnt cover up so I can only imagine that Groves power caught Froch out big time.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Shavio on December 01, 2013, 11:41:09 PM
Here is one then. Does ANYONE actually believe Froch can beat WArd in a rematch?

Styles make fights and I agree Groves puts a better showing against Ward than Carl at this point (although obviously Ward beats both)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 01, 2013, 11:54:00 PM
Here is one then. Does ANYONE actually believe Froch can beat WArd in a rematch?

Styles make fights and I agree Groves puts a better showing against Ward than Carl at this point (although obviously Ward beats both)

I think should Froch get a Ward rematch he should announced his retirement pre fight and than just go for broke in the ring.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 01, 2013, 11:58:10 PM
By all accounts carl got the easy version of ward as he had a damaged hand. I think hed struggle alot more if they box again.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Heathen on December 02, 2013, 08:33:01 AM
Groves put on a better show against Froch than Froch did against Ward.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: CelticHiggo on December 02, 2013, 09:03:44 AM
I would hate to see a Ward/Froch rematch.I don't remember talking to anyone that would like to see it again.There is no point in it what so ever.It wasn't even close the first time round.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 02, 2013, 09:42:26 AM
Watched the fight again last night with the radio connentary and sky pictures synced. What a difference.. Mike Costello actually describes the action. What a strange thing for a commentator to do! Good interviews and debate at the end between Booth and Rob Mc. Costello calls it right pretty much all the way through... And guess what his scorecard was? TKO9
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YAhl_d-Sju0 (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YAhl_d-Sju0)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 02, 2013, 09:48:56 AM
I certainly think Froch CAN beat Ward, it only takes one good sustained attack from him. That's not to say that I think he WILL beat Ward, should the fight happen. But I wouldn't begrudge him the chance, if that's what he decides to do, I just wouldn't be getting overly excited about it


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 02, 2013, 12:14:29 PM
Bonters youve lost the plot lad!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 02, 2013, 12:40:49 PM
I certainly think Froch CAN beat Ward, it only takes one good sustained attack from him. That's not to say that I think he WILL beat Ward, should the fight happen. But I wouldn't begrudge him the chance, if that's what he decides to do, I just wouldn't be getting overly excited about it

More chance of plaiting piss


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 02, 2013, 01:04:42 PM
Bonters youve lost the plot lad!

I said earlier this week he had, glad it isn't just me who thinks it  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 02, 2013, 01:19:13 PM
Bonters youve lost the plot lad!

Haha, I did say I don't actually think he WILL beat Ward but the question was 'Can he?' And the answer to that has to be yes, given that he's a proven World class fighter. Even if only on the basis of a puncher's chance. But you have more pressing problems hereabouts - Jaimie's agreeing with you and that's NEVER good.   ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: ScottMillwall on December 02, 2013, 01:28:53 PM
Haha, I did say I don't actually think he WILL beat Ward but the question was 'Can he?' And the answer to that has to be yes, given that he's a proven World class fighter.

But Ward is so far ahead of his peers that it'll take a very special world class boxer to beat him. Either that or one with concussive one punch ko power, which I don't believe Froch has.

Canelo is a world class fighter but he had no chance against Mayweather. Ward and Mayweather are so much better than anyone about.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Havoc on December 02, 2013, 01:57:31 PM
Why should there be a rematch?

Well Kessler gave him a rematch which he didn't have to do. Close fight but thought Kessler pipped him by 1 round in the first fight.

He wants a rematch with Ward. Why should Ward give him a rematch when he won relatively easily. May be Ward thinks Froch doesn't belong on his level?

Groves can't cut it word level but yet took a world class fighter to his limit!

There is every reason for a rematch here. For one, to shut the Froch doubters up. Secondly it will sell out in 10 seconds flat. Thirdly, probably be the biggest pay day for both fighters.

The fact Froch his saying Groves doesn't belong at world level says to me he doesn't want anything to do with Groves in a rematch.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Buckers on December 02, 2013, 02:33:59 PM
Why should there be a rematch?

Well Kessler gave him a rematch which he didn't have to do. Close fight but thought Kessler pipped him by 1 round in the first fight.

He wants a rematch with Ward. Why should Ward give him a rematch when he won relatively easily. May be Ward thinks Froch doesn't belong on his level?

Groves can't cut it word level but yet took a world class fighter to his limit!

There is every reason for a rematch here. For one, to shut the Froch doubters up. Secondly it will sell out in 10 seconds flat. Thirdly, probably be the biggest pay day for both fighters.

The fact Froch his saying Groves doesn't belong at world level says to me he doesn't want anything to do with Groves in a rematch.

By the reasoning Groves owes Anderson and DeGale Rematches then.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Fightin Irish on December 02, 2013, 02:34:57 PM
A rematch makes most sense for all involved, and the winner can fight Ward in California for less money! ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 02, 2013, 02:46:59 PM
But Ward is so far ahead of his peers that it'll take a very special world class boxer to beat him. Either that or one with concussive one punch ko power, which I don't believe Froch has.

Canelo is a world class fighter but he had no chance against Mayweather. Ward and Mayweather are so much better than anyone about.

Agree with all of that, which is why I don't think he WILL beat Ward.  I just never regard any fighter as unbeatable and I'm sure either Ward or Mayweather only need to be caught with the right punch against an opponent who is a good finisher and they CAN be beaten.  It just aint very likely, which is the reason I cannot get excited about the prospect of the fight (can someone simplify this into Tellytubbies language so that Jaimie will understand as well  ;D)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 02, 2013, 03:04:09 PM
Maybe froch will see sense if ward offered groves a title shot. That way froch will finally get some perspective, unless groves punches to his head had a bigger effect than we first thought.

Ward can then tell froch to beat groves convincingly as he did  if he wants a rematch with him. The first fight was simply not close enough to warrant one otherwise.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 02, 2013, 03:16:10 PM
Froch dont have many fights left now.

Much prefer Golovkin myself.

Groves will go the exact same way in a remact, except Froch wont be lacksadasical in camp and the fight. He will be switched on and not fighting 4 or 5 rounds whilst still fuzzy from taking a stupid shot like he did in their first fight.

That said, prefer Groves over Ward as both a spectacle and a fight.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 02, 2013, 03:40:03 PM
Froch dont have many fights left now.

Much prefer Golovkin myself.

Groves will go the exact same way in a remact, except Froch wont be lacksadasical in camp and the fight. He will be switched on and not fighting 4 or 5 rounds whilst still fuzzy from taking a stupid shot like he did in their first fight.

That said, prefer Groves over Ward as both a spectacle and a fight.

To be honest Red he couldn't be any worse than the first Groves fight, if they do fight and he doesn't improve then Groves would likely beat him. It could also be said Groves could improve from the first fight and work on what he did wrong. That's along with the controversy is why the rematch should happen..... But I reckon JCC in Vegas and he will retire myself.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Driscoll on December 02, 2013, 03:48:57 PM
How much say does Eddie Hearn have in Carl's next fight?

I'd say Eddie would be pushing for a rematch because of the money. Carl and Rob clearly want Togo in another direction. What happens then?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 02, 2013, 04:14:35 PM
How much say does Eddie Hearn have in Carl's next fight?

I'd say Eddie would be pushing for a rematch because of the money. Carl and Rob clearly want Togo in another direction. What happens then?

The plan was tread water by getting Groves out the way and then launch off to Vegas for a big fight and then a finale against Ward and retire.

They got the win by forcing the stoppage after a terrible opening round and rocky middle. But now instead of being able to move on they might have to do the rematch.

Obviously it's got the fan's attention in a big way - but HBO have been patiently waiting for him to get it on with their boys.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Harvey on December 02, 2013, 04:33:22 PM
The plan was tread water by getting Groves out the way and then launch off to Vegas for a big fight and then a finale against Ward and retire.

They got the win by forcing the stoppage after a terrible opening round and rocky middle. But now instead of being able to move on they might have to do the rematch.

Obviously it's got the fan's attention in a big way - but HBO have been patiently waiting for him to get it on with their boys.

Any date as long as its July 5th  (unlikely because of UFC  :() but I can hope  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 02, 2013, 04:37:55 PM
You know one thing I do not agree with is the thinking that Carl got caught cold or got hit with a lucky or stupid shot in the first round which put him down, I think Groves deserves a little credit there.

If you watch the knockdown you see Carl after the exchange on the ropes does his trademark lunge forward swinging those big shots (  something he used with great success in the Bute fight ) George I'm sure would of seen this as something to work on and i think did so and countered him beautifully. The only thing that could be said was maybe Carl got excited a little early after the exchange instead of staying behind his jab early like he did against Kessler.

Still that Knock down could of been the wrong thing to happen for george as like Virgil Hunter said kept going for that shot again and again and neglected other work he should of been doing.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 02, 2013, 05:00:46 PM
You know one thing I do not agree with is the thinking that Carl got caught cold or got hit with a lucky or stupid shot in the first round which put him down, I think Groves deserves a little credit there.

If you watch the knockdown you see Carl after the exchange on the ropes does his trademark lunge forward swinging those big shots (  something he used with great success in the Bute fight ) George I'm sure would of seen this as something to work on and i think did so and countered him beautifully. The only thing that could be said was maybe Carl got excited a little early after the exchange instead of staying behind his jab early like he did against Kessler.

Still that Knock down could of been the wrong thing to happen for george as like Virgil Hunter said kept going for that shot again and again and neglected other work he should of been doing.

I think the dust is beginning to settle and people are looking at the fight differently.
I dont think Carl was caught cold, he was caught with a shot which he told him about 3 days before (cant have more time to warm up for it really). He was getting beat and was on the fortunate end of a premature stoppage.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tuco on December 02, 2013, 05:25:56 PM
The plan was tread water by getting Groves out the way and then launch off to Vegas for a big fight and then a finale against Ward and retire.

They got the win by forcing the stoppage after a terrible opening round and rocky middle. But now instead of being able to move on they might have to do the rematch.

Obviously it's got the fan's attention in a big way - but HBO have been patiently waiting for him to get it on with their boys.

 Forcing the stoppage?? Dont you mean, given an early Christmas present by the ref.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tito on December 02, 2013, 05:36:50 PM
The plan was tread water by getting Groves out the way and then launch off to Vegas for a big fight and then a finale against Ward and retire.

They got the win by forcing the stoppage after a terrible opening round and rocky middle. But now instead of being able to move on they might have to do the rematch.

Obviously it's got the fan's attention in a big way - but HBO have been patiently waiting for him to get it on with their boys.

HBO show Stevenson is he one of the big names they plan on matching with Froch.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 02, 2013, 06:11:16 PM


They got the win by forcing the stoppage

haha im creased! its the way you tell 'em! ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Spice on December 02, 2013, 06:52:26 PM
who?

Mr international superstar

Twat x100


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 02, 2013, 07:00:15 PM
Incisive stuff as always from the Groves "fans"...


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 02, 2013, 07:03:25 PM
Incisive stuff as always from the Groves "fans"...


 ;D

You just agree with everything that sides with froch.

One post does not represent groves fans.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 02, 2013, 07:06:29 PM
;D

You just agree with everything that sides with froch.

One post does not represent groves fans.

Something interesting Ive noticed lately on here, anyone who speaks positively about Froch is refered to as 'knowledgeable', whereas if you speak negatively you're not. Very very interesting, its almost as if people are confusing their own opinions as fact  ^-^


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 02, 2013, 07:13:12 PM
I would say that the majority of the "pro" Froch posts have been balanced and put forward a position backed with reason...Personal abuse and constant reference to handshakes and interviews have nothing to do with the fight.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 02, 2013, 07:19:35 PM
Something interesting Ive noticed lately on here, anyone who speaks positively about Froch is refered to as 'knowledgeable', whereas if you speak negatively you're not. Very very interesting, its almost as if people are confusing their own opinions as fact  ^-^




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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 02, 2013, 07:39:18 PM
I would say that the majority of the "pro" Froch posts have been balanced and put forward a position backed with reason...Personal abuse and constant reference to handshakes and interviews have nothing to do with the fight.

Really Dan, you feel the pro froch posts have been balanced?

Next you will be telling me you are a froch fan.

 ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tyskrum on December 02, 2013, 08:23:09 PM
I've really been a big fan of Froch, especially for the way he and Kessler had equally respect for eachother and he really came out great with that.

This on the other hand is madness. Wtf is happening to that man!? He's lost me!

How can Froch make an argument that he deserves another shot at Ward, when he was beated very convincingly, and at the same time say Groves doesn't deserve another shot at him though he was giving Froch a better fight (winning the fight) than Froch did Ward. He's dillusional.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 02, 2013, 08:27:12 PM
I would say that the majority of the "pro" Froch posts have been balanced and put forward a position backed with reason...Personal abuse and constant reference to handshakes and interviews have nothing to do with the fight.


The cant really remember any personal insults from the few of us who arnt Froch fans to be honest



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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 02, 2013, 08:49:45 PM
I dont think its a question of who deserves a rematch...Froch v Ward of Groves v Froch....the fact is that Ward is the best super middleweight on the planet but Froch has the belts....surely Ward will beg to rematch a guy hes already beat in an attempt to claim two more world titles??


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 02, 2013, 09:04:31 PM
I dont think its a question of who deserves a rematch...Froch v Ward of Groves v Froch....the fact is that Ward is the best super middleweight on the planet but Froch has the belts....surely Ward will beg to rematch a guy hes already beat in an attempt to claim two more world titles??

He'd really only be getting the ibf as he is already the wba super champion or something stupid.


Carl just keeps the dust of ward's wba belt.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 02, 2013, 09:23:57 PM
He'd really only be getting the ibf as he is already the wba super champion or something stupid.


Carl just keeps the dust of ward's wba belt.


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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 02, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
i watched the fight back... dirty cheating bastards

Quote
they got the win by forcing the stoppage

"they" sure did


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 02, 2013, 09:36:13 PM
He'd really only be getting the ibf as he is already the wba super champion or something stupid.


Carl just keeps the dust of ward's wba belt.

Yes but there's more reason for Ward to actually want the Froch fight than for Froch to want the Groves fight. Its clear as day that if Froch has the choice of the two than hes obviously going to go for the number 2 p4p in the world over a guy he has just beat(controversial or not)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 02, 2013, 10:02:32 PM
Yes but there's more reason for Ward to actually want the Froch fight than for Froch to want the Groves fight. Its clear as day that if Froch has the choice of the two than hes obviously going to go for the number 2 p4p in the world over a guy he has just beat(controversial or not)

Tbh your probably right.
Looking from Froch's point of view... he can fight Groves again, if he wins people will say 'that's 1 each, lets go again' OR if he loses he retires having been beat by a kid he was meant to expose.
If he fights Ward... he will probably (almost certainly) lose and can say 'top fighter on the planet was the only one to beat me' OR by some miracle he wins he cements a place among the best British fighters ever and walks away at the very top.

Groves is far too risky for Froch to want to get in there again.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 02, 2013, 10:06:06 PM
I dont think its a question of who deserves a rematch...Froch v Ward of Groves v Froch....the fact is that Ward is the best super middleweight on the planet but Froch has the belts....surely Ward will beg to rematch a guy hes already beat in an attempt to claim two more world titles??

The belts are trinkets - mainly used as a milestone for boxers to aspire to achieve. When you get to be one of the best in the world regardless of weight-class like manny, mayweather and ward, these belts and sanction fees can be neglected. You could say that one is a paper champion compared with the other. The world knows who the best SMW is. The guy holding the belts (Froch) has already been defeated with ease by the Daddy in the division. Its not really an incentive in this case.

If ward wants to become undisputed SMW like calzaghe was he could quite easily, but then you have the politics and fees to keep it that way. That's why mayweather and manny don't bother with the belts... they along with ward don't really need them.

Froch is 2nd tier compared with the Elite and thats what was proven by a 19 pro fight opponent.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 02, 2013, 10:37:30 PM
Froch isnt gonna rematch Groves unless the option of a fight in the states dries up. Groves needs to get himself to the Bika v Dirrell fight and look at fighting the winner of that.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 02, 2013, 10:39:07 PM
The belts are trinkets - mainly used as a milestone for boxers to aspire to achieve. When you get to be one of the best in the world regardless of weight-class like manny, mayweather and ward, these belts and sanction fees can be neglected. You could say that one is a paper champion compared with the other. The world knows who the best SMW is. The guy holding the belts (Froch) has already been defeated with ease by the Daddy in the division. Its not really an incentive in this case.

If ward wants to become undisputed SMW like calzaghe was he could quite easily, but then you have the politics and fees to keep it that way. That's why mayweather and manny don't bother with the belts... they along with ward don't really need them.

Froch is 2nd tier compared with the Elite and thats what was proven by a 19 pro fight opponent.



Froch only ever agreed to the fight with Groves because he was not prepared to give up a belt rather than face a mandatory who he thought was unworthy.  That's the way it is with him, a matter of pride and principles.  That is what so many find hard to understand in this totally materialistic, mercenary world.  And he has never courted the press or public opinion, he tells it the way he sees it and doesn't give a stuff if you don't like it.  He said himself he wasn't just gonna go over and shake hands, he wanted to clear the air first and tell George what was on his mind.  He did that and then shook hands, when the air had been cleared.  He's not a fooking Tony Blair politician, he's an honest, decent bloke.  Oh yeah, and he won  -  TKO Round 9   ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 02, 2013, 10:48:35 PM
Froch only ever agreed to the fight with Groves because he was not prepared to give up a belt rather than face a mandatory who he thought was unworthy.  That's the way it is with him, a matter of pride and principles.  That is what so many find hard to understand in this totally materialistic, mercenary world.  And he has never courted the press or public opinion, he tells it the way he sees it and doesn't give a stuff if you don't like it.  He said himself he wasn't just gonna go over and shake hands, he wanted to clear the air first and tell George what was on his mind.  He did that and then shook hands, when the air had been cleared.  He's not a fooking Tony Blair politician, he's an honest, decent bloke.  Oh yeah, and he won  -  TKO Round 9   ;)


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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 02, 2013, 10:53:44 PM
And still!!  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 02, 2013, 11:03:48 PM
Froch only ever agreed to the fight with Groves because he was not prepared to give up a belt rather than face a mandatory who he thought was unworthy.  That's the way it is with him, a matter of pride and principles.  That is what so many find hard to understand in this totally materialistic, mercenary world.  And he has never courted the press or public opinion, he tells it the way he sees it and doesn't give a stuff if you don't like it.  He said himself he wasn't just gonna go over and shake hands, he wanted to clear the air first and tell George what was on his mind.  He did that and then shook hands, when the air had been cleared.  He's not a fooking Tony Blair politician, he's an honest, decent bloke.  Oh yeah, and he won  -  TKO Round 9   ;)

He would of dropped the belt if he had better options but he didn't which he admitted himself, he took a very well paid domestic fight albeit against a dangerous opponent and won.

The problem he has now is does he worry what the publics and press think about him and take the Groves rematch or does he go for the bright lights of Vegas on HBO and go down that avenue ??





Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 02, 2013, 11:31:40 PM
He would of dropped the belt if he had better options but he didn't which he admitted himself, he took a very well paid domestic fight albeit against a dangerous opponent and won.

The problem he has now is does he worry what the publics and press think about him and take the Groves rematch or does he go for the bright lights of Vegas on HBO and go down that avenue ??





Told u already jaimie....when froch smashes up chavez in vegas everyone will forget they dont like froch and jump back on the bandwagon.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Buckers on December 02, 2013, 11:41:06 PM
Told u already jaimie....when froch smashes up chavez in vegas everyone will forget they dont like froch and jump back on the bandwagon.


I agree that Froch beats Chavez jnr but I personally think the bandwagon is coming to halt sooner rather than later.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 02, 2013, 11:42:24 PM
Told u already jaimie....when froch smashes up chavez in vegas everyone will forget they dont like froch and jump back on the bandwagon.


I hope so, I dont think he has come across very well at times since the fight was made and would probably hold his hand up to certain things but he doesn't deserve the backlash and hatred he is getting now. He should be celebrating a huge comeback win against a guy who gave him probably his toughest fight but instead is now the pantomime villain who is getting abused from all angles. I think he deserves his Vegas shot at least before retirement, I'm just not sure it will sit well with the public if he doesn't give George the rematch be it next or at all.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 03, 2013, 12:02:55 AM
I hope so, I dont think he has come across very well at times since the fight was made and would probably hold his hand up to certain things but he doesn't deserve the backlash and hatred he is getting now. He should be celebrating a huge comeback win against a guy who gave him probably his toughest fight but instead is now the pantomime villain who is getting abused from all angles. I think he deserves his Vegas shot at least before retirement, I'm just not sure it will sit well with the public if he doesn't give George the rematch be it next or at all.

I think that will also depend on what groves achieves in the meantime. If he goes on to beat the winner of Bika and Dirrell than no one will care that the Froch fight didnt happen....should he go on to fight bums than the elusive Froch rematch will be the only think that Groves fans will talk about.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 03, 2013, 12:13:40 AM
 That's the way it is with him, a matter of pride and principles.  

Good lord. Clearly not been listening to the sh*te this guy has spouted since the fight.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 03, 2013, 12:15:20 AM
Back to the original post-

Froch is clearly trying to justify avoiding Groves. Not sure who he is trying to convince, us or himself?

Anyhow, ducker.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 03, 2013, 12:17:42 AM
Froch only ever agreed to the fight with Groves because he was not prepared to give up a belt rather than face a mandatory who he thought was unworthy.  That's the way it is with him, a matter of pride and principles.  That is what so many find hard to understand in this totally materialistic, mercenary world.  And he has never courted the press or public opinion, he tells it the way he sees it and doesn't give a stuff if you don't like it.  He said himself he wasn't just gonna go over and shake hands, he wanted to clear the air first and tell George what was on his mind.  He did that and then shook hands, when the air had been cleared.  He's not a fooking Tony Blair politician, he's an honest, decent bloke.  Oh yeah, and he won  -  TKO Round 9   ;)

If that's true then he should tell himself he got schooled by somebody who ward would have played with for fun.

Lets keep it real - the ward fight wasn't even close. The only way he will ever stand any chance against ward is if the fight takes place in Nottingham and froch lands a 4 punch combo which results in the ref jumping in and saving ward from life threatening punches from guard damage.

Froch beating chavez Jr - is nothing special as chavez has been an over-hyped protected fighter throughout his entire career. Very few fans of boxing respect chavez jr. It would be more impressive to fight at light-heavyweight than to look at the lower weight classes. Maybe he should take on the challenge of Kovalev or stevenson - they would be worthy wins and would definitely help him end his career on a high.

Just stay away from Andre Ward - froch is simply not intelligent enough to come close to defeating a boxer like that. In boxing terms he is below George groves. So he should be realistic and know his limits.

He has a chance against the other two as it would be a brawl. Its that simple.   


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 03, 2013, 12:21:25 AM
If that's true then he should tell himself he got schooled by somebody who ward would have played with for fun.  

this.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 03, 2013, 12:24:20 AM
If that's true then he should tell himself he got schooled by somebody who ward would have played with for fun.

Lets keep it real - the ward fight wasn't even close. The only way he will ever stand any chance against ward is if the fight takes place in Nottingham and froch lands a 4 punch combo which results in the ref jumping in and saving ward from life threatening punches from guard damage.

Froch beating chavez Jr - is nothing special as chavez has been an over-hyped protected fighter throughout his entire career. Very few fans of boxing respect chavez jr. It would be more impressive to fight at light-heavyweight than to look at the lower weight classes. Maybe he should take on the challenge of Kovalev or stevenson - they would be worthy wins and would definitely help him end his career on a high.

Just stay away from Andre Ward - froch is simply not intelligent enough to come close to defeating a boxer like that. In boxing terms he is below George groves. So he should be realistic and know his limits.

He has a chance against the other two as it would be a brawl. Its that simple.    


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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 03, 2013, 01:17:53 AM
Aren't you bored yet?

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I'm about as bored as those spouting froch v ward rematch.  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: stephen thompson on December 03, 2013, 05:20:10 AM
My conclusion.. both Froch and Groves have made twats of themselves, one before, the other after.

regards the fight, i think Froch took the fight way to lightly and was very under prepared. However, should there be a rematch, George will have a much better plan and be really dangerous


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 03, 2013, 07:23:07 AM
My conclusion.. both Froch and Groves have made twats of themselves, one before, the other after.

regards the fight, i think Froch took the fight way to lightly and was very under prepared. However, should there be a rematch, George will have a much better plan and be really dangerous

Agreed, a very good unbiased take on it.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Driscoll on December 03, 2013, 08:00:00 AM
Told u already jaimie....when froch smashes up chavez in vegas everyone will forget they dont like froch and jump back on the bandwagon.


Chavez has long lost his shine. His last fight was an absolute joke, he's no superstar.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 03, 2013, 08:48:00 AM
Chavez has long lost his shine. His last fight was an absolute joke, he's no superstar.

added to that no one reallys knows him outside of mexico aside from being a cheat.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 03, 2013, 09:12:23 AM
added to that no one reallys knows him outside of mexico aside from being a cheat.

Sky will build him up no doubt, it would be interesting if it was PPV over here and would people now pay for it seeing as Carl is not flavour of the month anymore !?!?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Hurricane on December 03, 2013, 09:15:18 AM
Sky will build him up no doubt, it would be interesting if it was PPV over here and would people now pay for it seeing as Carl is not flavour of the month anymore !?!?

I think it was Boxing News that said Froch v Groves did more PPV's than Froch v Kessler.  Groves is clearly the draw so easily deserves 60/40 in a rematch  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 03, 2013, 09:23:19 AM
I think it was Boxing News that said Froch v Groves did more PPV's than Froch v Kessler.  Groves is clearly the draw so easily deserves 60/40 in a rematch  ;D

;D

I bet Carl hates ginger people right now!!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 03, 2013, 09:24:04 AM
I think it was Boxing News that said Froch v Groves did more PPV's than Froch v Kessler.  Groves is clearly the draw so easily deserves 60/40 in a rematch  ;D

Has Red a funny pic for this one  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Buckers on December 03, 2013, 09:43:29 AM
Groves having a pop at Lee Froch on twitter. Bit silly when it gets to that stage.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 03, 2013, 10:51:52 AM
Chavez has long lost his shine. His last fight was an absolute joke, he's no superstar.

O im not doubting that....but we have to realise that a majority of Froch haters are casual fans who were raving about him before the fight with Groves and just jumped ship because Jim Watt told them to. I bet these people dont know the difference between Chavez and Marquez and will jump back on the bandwagon should Froch beat the guy in Vegas.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 03, 2013, 11:36:31 AM
O im not doubting that....but we have to realise that a majority of Froch haters are casual fans who were raving about him before the fight with Groves and just jumped ship because Jim Watt told them to. I bet these people dont know the difference between Chavez and Marquez and will jump back on the bandwagon should Froch beat the guy in Vegas.

Look I know Bonters has his faults but don't be too hard on him  :)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 03, 2013, 12:06:15 PM
Look I know Bonters has his faults but don't be too hard on him  :)

Haha, it is yourself who keeps gradually stoking the Froch hatred, then back-pedalling time and again, when you gonna come out the closet?  And another thing, I thought you were a plumber?  When the fook do you ever have time to plumb?  You're on here 24 hours a day, stalking my every comment!   ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 03, 2013, 12:37:46 PM
Haha, it is yourself who keeps gradually stoking the Froch hatred, then back-pedalling time and again, when you gonna come out the closet?  And another thing, I thought you were a plumber?  When the fook do you ever have time to plumb?  You're on here 24 hours a day, stalking my every comment!   ;D

Il post up all the txts he sent me when he was worried about not getting tickets to Froch v Groves....every day he was paranoid that hed be left hanging because hes a Groves fan but kept telling us that hes a Froch fan first and was annoyed that he was being called a traitor. Froch first Jaimie? your the biggest Groves troll on here  :D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 03, 2013, 12:38:57 PM
Haha, it is yourself who keeps gradually stoking the Froch hatred, then back-pedalling time and again, when you gonna come out the closet?  And another thing, I thought you were a plumber?  When the fook do you ever have time to plumb?  You're on here 24 hours a day, stalking my every comment!   ;D

Haha !! Back peddling..... It's called pulling the pin :)

I am a plumber but im Under worked AND underpaid !!!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 03, 2013, 12:40:41 PM
Il post up all the txts he sent me when he was worried about not getting tickets to Froch v Groves....every day he was paranoid that hed be left hanging because hes a Groves fan but kept telling us that hes a Froch fan first and was annoyed that he was being called a traitor. Froch first Jaimie? your the biggest Groves troll on here  :D

Oi !! Don't side with him !!!

It's called fence sitting  :)

I like both hardly a crime.... Or is it  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 03, 2013, 12:43:01 PM
Oi !! Don't side with him !!!

It's called fence sitting  :)

I like both hardly a crime.... Or is it  ;)

Traitor.....off with his head!! haha


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Hurricane on December 03, 2013, 12:51:40 PM
Haha !! Back peddling..... It's called pulling the pin :)

I am a plumber but im Under worked AND underpaid !!!

There's massive demand for Team Groves t-shirts at the moment mate.  Just stick a couple of yours on eBay and you'll be rolling in it!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 03, 2013, 01:02:49 PM
There's massive demand for Team Groves t-shirts at the moment mate.  Just stick a couple of yours on eBay and you'll be rolling in it!

i seen raoul moat t shirts sell for more.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 03, 2013, 04:31:11 PM
Froch vs Chavez does nothing for me as a fight and it won't do nothing for Carl's legacy either Chavez was beaten by Vera only to be given the decision on the cards.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 03, 2013, 06:31:09 PM
Has Red a funny pic for this one  ;D


(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/43498867.jpg)





Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 03, 2013, 06:43:36 PM
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 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Harvey on December 03, 2013, 08:13:21 PM
Il post up all the txts he sent me when he was worried about not getting tickets to Froch v Groves....every day he was paranoid that hed be left hanging because hes a Groves fan but kept telling us that hes a Froch fan first and was annoyed that he was being called a traitor. Froch first Jaimie? your the biggest Groves troll on here  :D ;D

I have some of those txts aswell  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 03, 2013, 08:43:08 PM
I have some of those txts aswell  ;D

It's that Bloody Skratch stitching me up with videos and pics of me and Groves !!! Swine !!!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 03, 2013, 08:53:35 PM
I have some of those txts aswell  ;D

He was so worried haha, worse than when Haye pulled out of Fury fight.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 03, 2013, 08:55:25 PM
He was so worried haha, worse than when Haye pulled out of Fury fight.

Bloody bullies !!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on December 03, 2013, 09:16:26 PM
George Groves' promise to Carl Froch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPUgu1kTcf8#ws)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Socrates on December 03, 2013, 09:45:47 PM
Froch vs Chavez does nothing for me as a fight and it won't do nothing for Carl's legacy either Chavez was beaten by Vera only to be given the decision on the cards.

Why aren't you going mental at Burns fighting Crawford instead of Beltran?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 03, 2013, 09:57:56 PM
Why aren't you going mental at Burns fighting Crawford instead of Beltran?

Crawford is the mandatory it's not like he's ducking Beltran to fight someone like Derry Matthews that's why i'm not going mental.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: deck on December 03, 2013, 10:47:18 PM
It's that Bloody Skratch stitching me up with videos and pics of me and Groves !!! Swine !!!

In fairness it was excellent! Has my vote for a BAFTA! ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: 7777 on December 04, 2013, 04:50:10 AM
Crawford is the mandatory it's not like he's ducking Beltran to fight someone like Derry Matthews that's why i'm not going mental.

So on that basis you would have no problem with Carl fighting Stanyslav Kashtanov or Thomas Oosthuizen then?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 04, 2013, 07:21:24 AM
It's that Bloody Skratch stitching me up with videos and pics of me and Groves !!! Swine !!!

You're still my favourite Groves fan (NO HOMO)  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 04, 2013, 07:22:24 AM
You're still my favourite Groves fan (NO HOMO)  ;)

I did warn you that I would get my revenge over THAT fooking tshirt!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Socrates on December 04, 2013, 01:04:56 PM
Crawford is the mandatory it's not like he's ducking Beltran to fight someone like Derry Matthews that's why i'm not going mental.

Who is Froch fighting next for you to accuse him of ducking Groves so frequently?

Because as far as I can see absolutely nothing has been lined up.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Socrates on December 04, 2013, 01:05:18 PM
You're still my favourite Groves fan (NO HOMO)  ;)

There are only about 4 others to be fair.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 04, 2013, 01:10:39 PM
Who is Froch fighting next for you to accuse him of ducking Groves so frequently?

Because as far as I can see absolutely nothing has been lined up.

Apparently not fighting a guy you have just beaten is now classed as 'ducking'. I hope Ward doesnt duck Froch and Groves doesnt duck Degale. Cowards  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 04, 2013, 01:50:49 PM
Apparently not fighting a guy you have just beaten is now classed as 'ducking'. I hope Ward doesnt duck Froch and Groves doesnt duck Degale. Cowards  ;)

put it into context though, ward beat froch hands down and no ammount technical adjustment from froch is going to change the outcome, ward beats him 10/10... even froch stated himself that ward would probably go the rest of his career undefeated so whats the point?

as for groves/degale... groves has already beaten degale twice (once in amateurs) so hes got every right to move on and put that one to bed.

but froch/groves? well everybody saw what happened there so no need to go over it,  the fight itself deserves a rematch.. i just fear for froch if it were to happen. but it wont, and we all know why.

onwards and upwards!



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 04, 2013, 01:57:09 PM
put it into context though, ward beat froch hands down and no ammount technical adjustment from froch is going to change the outcome, ward beats him 10/10... even froch stated himself that ward would probably go the rest of his career undefeated so whats the point?

as for groves/degale... groves has already beaten degale twice (once in amateurs) so hes got every right to move on and put that one to bed.

but froch/groves? well everybody saw what happened there so no need to go over it,  the fight itself deserves a rematch.. i just fear for froch if it were to happen. but it wont, and we all know why.

onwards and upwards!



You were doing quite well for a while there..I'll just remind you.. TKO9


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 04, 2013, 01:58:28 PM


but froch/groves? well everybody saw what happened there so no need to go over it

onwards and upwards!




Congrats mate, glad your seeing things clearly now as a "neutral" again.

Froch vs Groves - stoppage in slow motion HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bAmx89ciw#ws)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 04, 2013, 02:02:20 PM
It looks even worse this week!
Awful awful stoppage.

Have you tried photo shopping some of those punches onto Groves chin... that may look better. >:<


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 04, 2013, 02:03:06 PM
  ;D

its sad though that what your actually celebrating here is incompetence/corruption in british boxing, not your fighters performance

each to their own


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 04, 2013, 02:12:51 PM
 ;D

each to their own


Hang on, so your not a neutral then like me ?



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 04, 2013, 02:18:29 PM
put it into context though, ward beat froch hands down and no ammount technical adjustment from froch is going to change the outcome, ward beats him 10/10... even froch stated himself that ward would probably go the rest of his career undefeated so whats the point?

as for groves/degale... groves has already beaten degale twice (once in amateurs) so hes got every right to move on and put that one to bed.

but froch/groves? well everybody saw what happened there so no need to go over it,  the fight itself deserves a rematch.. i just fear for froch if it were to happen. but it wont, and we all know why.

onwards and upwards!




Tbf your not wrong, however there is big interest in all 3 fights from here or over seas. I cant understand how Froch is ducking Groves though...Carl has maybe only one fight left and is in a declining division due to top super mids else retiring or moving to light heavy. I think after the career Carl has had we should give him a bit of credit and let him decide who he fights next without the ducking Groves rubbish.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 04, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Hang on, so your not a neutral then like me ?



haha no red not like you, its difficult to sustain such an unbiased opinion i dont know how you do it


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 04, 2013, 03:37:20 PM
t?

as for groves/degale... groves has already beaten degale twice (once in amateurs) so hes got every right to move on and put that one to bed.




Froch just stopped Groves so he has every right to move on and put that one to bed.

Groves needs to rematch Degale as that fight did not end in  conclusive fashion & many thought the wrong hand was raised ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Cobra on December 04, 2013, 03:56:58 PM
Froch just stopped Groves so he has every right to move on and put that one to bed.

Groves needs to rematch Degale as that fight did not end in  conclusive fashion & many thought the wrong hand was raised ;)
Spot on mate !
Carl also beat George fighting with an injury ......


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 04, 2013, 04:02:38 PM
 ;D :D I can't believe people are bringing up me being a fan of Burns who has to fight his mandatory as a reason to give Frochh a pass on a rematch that everyone wants to see everyone wants the rematch apart from Carl and Rob because they know Carl would eat those right hands again.


Quack Quack!!!!!!  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Cobra on December 04, 2013, 04:07:35 PM
;D :D I can't believe people are bringing up me being a fan of Burns who has to fight his mandatory as a reason to give Frochh a pass on a rematch that everyone wants to see everyone wants the rematch apart from Carl and Rob because they know Carl would eat those right hands again.


Quack Quack!!!!!!  ;D
You seriously don't have a clue .... 
You think Carl and rob wouldn't do a rematch ??? 
Have you asked Carl / rob ???


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 04, 2013, 04:22:10 PM
You seriously don't have a clue .... 
You think Carl and rob wouldn't do a rematch ??? 
Have you asked Carl / rob ???

Title of this thread says it all on Carl's opinion of a rematch and Rob was never keen on the first fight because of Carl's style being made for George.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 04, 2013, 04:26:35 PM

Groves needs to rematch Degale as that fight did not end in  conclusive fashion & many thought the wrong hand was raised ;)

the difference between groves/degale is that the fights went their natural course on both occasions, and groves won on both occasions. close fights but no real controversy, they could be scored either way. styles make fights and those two neutralise each other so no great clammer for a trilogy.

the only difference now is that degales career has stalled on ch5, fighting in front of one man and his dog, while groves has gone on to establish himself as an international superstar  :-X



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 04, 2013, 04:28:38 PM
Spot on mate !
Carl also beat George fighting with an injury ......

What was the injury out of curiosity?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 04, 2013, 04:32:35 PM

Carl also beat George fighting with an injury ......

injury?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 04, 2013, 04:54:55 PM
Froch just stopped Groves so he has every right to move on and put that one to bed.

Groves needs to rematch Degale as that fight did not end in  conclusive fashion & many thought the wrong hand was raised ;)

I think you might find that the ref stopped groves.

Look at it this way - if the ref stopped the fight based on that flurry of punches - and that flurry alone. Do you think we would have had such classics as :

1) Ali v Frazier
2) Hagler v Hearns
3) Ward v Gatti
4) Morales v Barrera

The people who support this outcome/decision are in my opinion froch fans first... boxing fans 2nd.

Just tell it like it is - and come out of the closet, the inconsistencies are so glaring it makes so-called knowledgeable aficionado's from this forum look anything but. Which is a pity as it means your selling-out the sport which is probably worse than a bandwagon jumper in my opinion.

The outcome was inconclusive - that is a FACT. Bragging about the paper win (W) wont change the course of events - and that is froch was not better than groves in any department other than to have a little premature help from the ref. As a warrior you either run for the hills or you stand and prove you are really better than your opponent. If froch is satisfied with his performance - then it speak's volumes about the kind of warrior that froch wants to be remembered for ?

Some of the fights listed above were epic trilogies - whereby the fights were actually close. This fight was one-sided and ended in controversy which if I were froch I would put right. Just saying.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 04, 2013, 05:20:09 PM
Spot on mate !
Carl also beat George fighting with an injury ......

George schooled Froch without a trainer


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 04, 2013, 05:24:50 PM
I think you might find that the ref stopped groves.

Look at it this way - if the ref stopped the fight based on that flurry of punches - and that flurry alone. Do you think we would have had such classics as :

1) Ali v Frazier
2) Hagler v Hearns
3) Ward v Gatti
4) Morales v Barrera

The people who support this outcome/decision are in my opinion froch fans first... boxing fans 2nd.

Just tell it like it is - and come out of the closet, the inconsistencies are so glaring it makes so-called knowledgeable aficionado's from this forum look anything but. Which is a pity as it means your selling-out the sport which is probably worse than a bandwagon jumper in my opinion.

The outcome was inconclusive - that is a FACT. Bragging about the paper win (W) wont change the course of events - and that is froch was not better than groves in any department other than to have a little premature help from the ref. As a warrior you either run for the hills or you stand and prove you are really better than your opponent. If froch is satisfied with his performance - then it speak's volumes about the kind of warrior that froch wants to be remembered for ?

Some of the fights listed above were epic trilogies - whereby the fights were actually close. This fight was one-sided and ended in controversy which if I were froch I would put right. Just saying.


great post


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 04, 2013, 05:29:16 PM
George schooled Froch without a trainer

But won ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 04, 2013, 05:30:42 PM
But won ;)

But goes on to look for a fight against Chavez jr.

Quack Quack!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The_Answer on December 04, 2013, 05:39:06 PM
I think you might find that the ref stopped groves.

Look at it this way - if the ref stopped the fight based on that flurry of punches - and that flurry alone. Do you think we would have had such classics as :

1) Ali v Frazier
2) Hagler v Hearns
3) Ward v Gatti
4) Morales v Barrera

The people who support this outcome/decision are in my opinion froch fans first... boxing fans 2nd.

Just tell it like it is - and come out of the closet, the inconsistencies are so glaring it makes so-called knowledgeable aficionado's from this forum look anything but. Which is a pity as it means your selling-out the sport which is probably worse than a bandwagon jumper in my opinion.

The outcome was inconclusive - that is a FACT. Bragging about the paper win (W) wont change the course of events - and that is froch was not better than groves in any department other than to have a little premature help from the ref. As a warrior you either run for the hills or you stand and prove you are really better than your opponent. If froch is satisfied with his performance - then it speak's volumes about the kind of warrior that froch wants to be remembered for ?

Some of the fights listed above were epic trilogies - whereby the fights were actually close. This fight was one-sided and ended in controversy which if I were froch I would put right. Just saying.


So what you're saying is Froch in a stage of his career where he may have only 1 fight left should deny himself of a big US last Hoorah against a world renowned name because a poor refereeing decision robbed him of what he truly believes would have been a clean stoppage shortly after... ?

Why should he feel less of a warrior or a coward because a referee told him stop hitting your opponent?

I'd love to see a rematch i really would but in Froch's shoes times running out, do i have time to fight an unknown quantity outside of the uk again?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 04, 2013, 05:44:32 PM
But goes on to look for a fight against Chavez jr.

Quack Quack!!!!!!!!

Yes Carl will duck Groves by fighting a better opponent who can get past the 9th round.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 04, 2013, 05:47:05 PM
But won ;)

On paper, not in boxing fans eyes, quack quack little duck


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 04, 2013, 05:53:34 PM
On paper, not in boxing fans eyes, quack quack little duck

groves


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 04, 2013, 05:54:29 PM
Yes Carl will duck Groves by fighting a better opponent who can get past the 9th round.


 :D :D :D :D :D Oh god my ribs!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 04, 2013, 05:56:51 PM
So what you're saying is Froch in a stage of his career where he may have only 1 fight left should deny himself of a big US last Hoorah against a world renowned name because a poor refereeing decision robbed him of what he truly believes would have been a clean stoppage shortly after... ?

Why should he feel less of a warrior or a coward because a referee told him stop hitting your opponent?

I'd love to see a rematch i really would but in Froch's shoes times running out, do i have time to fight an unknown quantity outside of the uk again?

I personally think Froch should go for a Vegas fight to finish his career, but let's not pretend it's for any reason other than a swan song.
Froch has earned the right to fight who he wants (especially if it is his last fight), but he should be equally gracious in the manner of his win against groves and admit he was on the right side of an early stoppage. He doesn't have to come out and say "no fuckin chance am I getting back in there with that rusty wreckin ball"... But to say "groves doesn't belong at world level, why should I fight him again" just makes him look at 24 kt tit.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 04, 2013, 05:57:52 PM
groves

Nope, I was right the first time  ^-^


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 04, 2013, 06:08:08 PM
Nope, I was right the first time  ^-^

Boxing fans think Ward is number 2 p4p so guess its braver to fight him than someone who was stopped in their last fight  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 04, 2013, 06:15:19 PM
So what you're saying is Froch in a stage of his career where he may have only 1 fight left should deny himself of a big US last Hoorah against a world renowned name because a poor refereeing decision robbed him of what he truly believes would have been a clean stoppage shortly after... ?

Why should he feel less of a warrior or a coward because a referee told him stop hitting your opponent?

I'd love to see a rematch i really would but in Froch's shoes times running out, do i have time to fight an unknown quantity outside of the uk again?

Did froch say he was retiring after his next fight ? I didn't read that article - could you send me the link ?

Which BIG US name are we talking about - Chaves Jnr means nothing. Froch would get a lot of credit to step back into the ring with Ward but he will end up retiring on a loss. Adonis Stevenson or Kovalev are big fights at LHW and froch will again get a lot of credit for taking these BIG punchers on.

It all depends who the final opponent of his career is.

The groves fight will remain a black mark - because he was outclassed by a relative newbie fringe world level opponent.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 04, 2013, 06:18:17 PM

 :D :D :D :D :D Oh god my ribs!

Why? Is there no better opponent than Groves?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 04, 2013, 06:19:16 PM
Boxing fans think Ward is number 2 p4p so guess its braver to fight him than someone who was stopped in their last fight  ;)

Braver? No, he's openly said Ward will probably never lose so if he goes there its for a final payday now Groves has semi retired him  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 04, 2013, 06:20:46 PM
groves

Dude - I don't think george groves has many fans. That should tell you something.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: deck on December 04, 2013, 06:23:17 PM
Jaysus! A rematch please! Not for the fighters but for the poor people stuck on the would/should have merry-go-round apparently fuelled, apparently, by perpetual motion.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 04, 2013, 06:23:46 PM
Haha, you lot are ace   :D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The_Answer on December 04, 2013, 06:24:57 PM
Did froch say he was retiring after his next fight ? I didn't read that article - could you send me the link ?

Which BIG US name are we talking about - Chaves Jnr means nothing. Froch would get a lot of credit to step back into the ring with Ward but he will end up retiring on a loss. Adonis Stevenson or Kovalev are big fights at LHW and froch will again get a lot of credit for taking these BIG punchers on.

It all depends who the final opponent of his career is.





I don't understand you've quoted me on a statement in where I've said 'may' but have acted like i know it to be the truth? Realistically Froch has got 1 maybe 2 left if he wants to retire at the top, but again that's nothing more then speculation on my part.

I wouldn't want a Chavez Jr bout for Froch but more importantly would Chavez Jr want the fight? Didn't it take serious persuasion from Martinez to finally get him in the ring away from mediocre level.

If like you say it depends on who the opponent is then why have you already damned Froch as less of a warrior because he wants bigger fish in better ponds? It could be Golovkin for all we know one of the most feared men in the sport.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 04, 2013, 06:25:31 PM
Jaysus! A rematch please! Not for the fighters but for the poor people stuck on the would/should have merry-go-round apparently fuelled, apparently, by perpetual motion.

Its all in good fun


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 04, 2013, 06:35:13 PM
I don't understand you've quoted me on a statement in where I've said 'may' but have acted like i know it to be the truth? Realistically Froch has got 1 maybe 2 left if he wants to retire at the top, but again that's nothing more then speculation on my part.

I wouldn't want a Chavez Jr bout for Froch but more importantly would Chavez Jr want the fight? Didn't it take serious persuasion from Martinez to finally get him in the ring away from mediocre level.

If like you say it depends on who the opponent is then why have you already damned Froch as less of a warrior because he wants bigger fish in better ponds? It could be Golovkin for all we know one of the most feared men in the sport.

I'm not damning him - I actually think that it would be an extremely brave and courageous thing to do to get in the ring with a boxer who will knock the living daylights out of George Groves.

What I'm saying is - he was clearly "outclassed". Does he want to reverse peoples opinions on this matter - or bank on doing it indirectly by defeating the Elite guys at SMW or LHW. I just don't give him a chance against these guys. Not after the groves performance.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The_Answer on December 04, 2013, 06:45:23 PM
I'm not damning him - I actually think that it would be an extremely brave and courageous thing to do to get in the ring with a boxer who will knock the living daylights out of George Groves.

What I'm saying is - he was clearly "outclassed". Does he want to reverse peoples opinions on this matter - or bank on doing it indirectly by defeating the Elite guys at SMW or LHW. I just don't give him a chance against these guys. Not after the groves performance.

He was clearly out classed for 90% of the fight against Jermain Taylor and lots of people will remind us of that. In the end a referee told him stop hitting Taylor, in the end of the Groves fight a referee told him stop hitting Groves. What more can he do? "please ref let me keep hitting this opponent the fans won't tolerate it otherwise, Tut! I will have to fight him again now clueless ref!"


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 04, 2013, 06:49:35 PM
He was clearly out classed for 90% of the fight against Jermain Taylor and lots of people will remind us of that. In the end a referee told him stop hitting Taylor, in the end of the Groves fight a referee told him stop hitting Groves. What more can he do? "please ref let me keep hitting this opponent the fans won't tolerate it otherwise, Tut! I will have to fight him again now clueless ref!"

Nah the Taylor fight was a lot closer than the Groves one


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 04, 2013, 06:54:05 PM
Why? Is there no better opponent than Groves?

 :D Sorry for the late reply i couldn't see to type as i was laughing so hard at you saying Chavez was better than Groves  ;D.

In all seriousness the only other option other than Groves is Ward and we seen how that went last time i'm sure no one would want to watch that one again.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The_Answer on December 04, 2013, 06:57:53 PM
Nah the Taylor fight was a lot closer than the Groves one

Because Froch won a couple of the later rounds in the Taylor fight but he was told he wasn't allowed to keep hitting Grove's in those rounds...


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 04, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
He was clearly out classed for 90% of the fight against Jermain Taylor and lots of people will remind us of that. In the end a referee told him stop hitting Taylor, in the end of the Groves fight a referee told him stop hitting Groves. What more can he do? "please ref let me keep hitting this opponent the fans won't tolerate it otherwise, Tut! I will have to fight him again now clueless ref!"

Dude I think you need to go back and watch the Jermain Taylor v Froch fight. The ref stopped the fight after a knockdown in the 12th and after taylor was unable to defend himself intelligently by taking numerous unanswered punches. There was a definite conclusion in that fight.

Its like Lewis beating Nasim Rahman only to get KTFO.... its a definite conclusion without controversy. Do you see the difference ? I can't explain it any clearer I'm afraid.

Froch did what he was required to do - His criticism stems from un-sportsman-like conduct after the fight... but the fight itself has been robbed from a conclusive outcome by a referee who would in my opinion have ruined some of the greatest fights of all time with decisions based on that 9th round flurry alone.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The_Answer on December 04, 2013, 07:08:49 PM
Dude I think you need to go back and watch the Jermain Taylor v Froch fight. The ref stopped the fight after a knockdown in the 12th and after taylor was unable to defend himself intelligently by taking numerous unanswered punches. There was a definite conclusion in that fight.

Its like Lewis beating Nasim Rahman only to get KTFO.... its a definite conclusion without controversy. Do you see the difference ? I can't explain it any clearer I'm afraid.

Froch did what he was required to do - His criticism stems from un-sportsman-like conduct after the fight... but the fight itself has been robbed from a conclusive outcome by a referee who would in my opinion have ruined some of the greatest fights of all time with decisions based on that 9th round flurry alone.

So Froch should be held responsible and his career possibly stunted because of this incompetence by an official is what you're saying?



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 04, 2013, 07:13:12 PM
So Froch should be held responsible and his career possibly stunted because of this incompetence by an official is what you're saying?



Should Georges?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 04, 2013, 07:16:50 PM
So Froch should be held responsible and his career possibly stunted because of this incompetence by an official is what you're saying?


His career has been stunted by being outclassed by an opponent who he believed was levels below.

His performance may have stunted his career.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 04, 2013, 07:18:54 PM
 
:D Sorry for the late reply i couldn't see to type as i was laughing so hard at you saying Chavez was better than Groves  ;D.

In all seriousness the only other option other than Groves is Ward and we seen how that went last time i'm sure no one would want to watch that one again.

 :P I never said Chavez was better than Groves. Just suggested that Froch wil most like face a better fighter than Groves. N e ways this topics long over....time to consider who Groves may face next after his first defeat  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The_Answer on December 04, 2013, 07:30:36 PM
Should Georges?

He is a young man with many fights left and despite being stopped wrongly or rightly has taken more of out the fight with Froch then anyone could have imagined. So no his career has been enhanced not stunted.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 04, 2013, 07:32:40 PM
He is a young man with many fights left and despite being stopped wrongly or rightly has taken more of out the fight with Froch then anyone could have imagined. So no his career has been enhanced not stunted.


I actually agree, which is why I'm not bothered about a rematch personally because even with a win Groves stock won't go any higher, I'm just argumentative  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The_Answer on December 04, 2013, 07:34:13 PM
His career has been stunted by being outclassed by an opponent who he believed was levels below.

His performance may have stunted his career.

I'm starting to get confused now because you wanted a great trilogy a short while back?

As far as I'm aware no great trilogy started by someone getting completely outclassed in the first fight? Unless you know different?

Did his performance in the early/middle part of the Taylor fight stunt his career?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 04, 2013, 07:38:12 PM
where did the original article come from at the beginning of the thread... only just got round to actually reading it is it real? haha

edit: http://boxingnewsonline.net/latest/feature/carl-froch-i-don-t-need-to-fight-george-groves-again-part-two (http://boxingnewsonline.net/latest/feature/carl-froch-i-don-t-need-to-fight-george-groves-again-part-two)

dear me thats hilarious, i actually thought somebody was on the wind up like me and bricktop before the hatton/pac fight


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 04, 2013, 07:51:46 PM
I'm starting to get confused now because you wanted a great trilogy a short while back?

As far as I'm aware no great trilogy started by someone getting completely outclassed in the first fight? Unless you know different?

Did his performance in the early/middle part of the Taylor fight stunt his career?

I think you need to read my original post again. I am not asking for a great trilogy between Froch v Groves. What I said was that we would have been denied great trilogies of the past if fights were stopped based on the flurry of punches thrown and landed in the 9th round.

If I watch boxing and 9 out of 10 major world title fights are decided based on the events of the 9th round. It would turn me off the sport. I don't know if I would hang around for the one in 10 fight that attracted me to the sport in the first place.

Its a "Big Picture boxing thing" not a "fan of a single boxer win at any cost thing". The second approach is more of a football fan perspective, whereby a win is a win who cares "How". I understand that.... I just don't subscribe to it.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The_Answer on December 04, 2013, 08:03:18 PM
I think you need to read my original post again. I am not asking for a great trilogy between Froch v Groves. What I said was that we would have been denied great trilogies of the past if fights were stopped based on the flurry of punches thrown and landed in the 9th round.

If I watch boxing and 9 out of 10 major world title fights are decided based on the events of the 9th round. It would turn me off the sport. I don't know if I would hang around for the one in 10 fight that attracted me to the sport in the first place.

Its a "Big Picture boxing thing" not a "fan of a single boxer win at any cost thing". The second approach is more of a football fan perspective, whereby a win is a win who cares "How". I understand that.... I just don't subscribe to it.

What about the I'm a fighter at the back end of my career and the referee told me to stop hitting my opponent perspective?

Does Froch now owe us all not to advance his career as best he can because he wasn't allowed to keep hitting Groves?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 04, 2013, 08:09:05 PM
What about the I'm a fighter at the back end of my career and the referee told me to stop hitting my opponent perspective?

Does Froch now owe us all not to advance his career as best he can because he wasn't allowed to keep hitting Groves?

Its up to froch if he believes that his performance was good enough to live with when he retires from the sport. The fans, spectators and media will have their own opinions.

By all means go for the BIG names - its a tough road ahead if the groves performance is anything to go by. That knockdown was bad - and he has been in some tough fights. The Elite guys could destroy him if he is not careful.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The_Answer on December 04, 2013, 08:29:22 PM
Its up to froch if he believes that his performance was good enough to live with when he retires from the sport. The fans, spectators and media will have their own opinions.

By all means go for the BIG names - its a tough road ahead if the groves performance is anything to go by. That knockdown was bad - and he has been in some tough fights. The Elite guys could destroy him if he is not careful.

So say Froch has one more fight a big hoorah in Vegas win or lose... he's then at home that night looking back at his career and 4 world titles and says to himself "if only the ref had let me carry on hitting Groves some more" I just don't see it? You can't please fans and media at the best of times so i don't think he's bothered much by that at the moment let alone when he calls time. Remember the shellacking US boxing fans gave him after the Dirrell fight...

It won't be the first time the BIG names are expected to beat him soundly and didn't. Maybe he can pull it out of the hat 1 or 2 more times...



 



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 04, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
So say Froch has one more fight a big hoorah in Vegas win or lose... he's then at home that night looking back at his career and 4 world titles and says to himself "if only the ref had let me carry on hitting Groves some more" I just don't see it? You can't please fans and media at the best of times so i don't think he's bothered much by that at the moment let alone when he calls time. Remember the shellacking US boxing fans gave him after the Dirrell fight...

It won't be the first time the BIG names are expected to beat him soundly and didn't. Maybe he can pull it out of the hat 1 or 2 more times...


Maybe - lets wait and see.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tito on December 04, 2013, 10:14:30 PM
Froch may want a fight in Vegas under the glitz and glamour but Vegas as more than one venue and some of them like Palms attract small cards. Froch doesn't wet the appetite of fight fans over there Ward as already beaten him why go over old ground and the money split would have to be parity with Ward because he don't need Froch like Froch needs him.
As for Chavez what as he done the WBC and Arum have allowed him to cherry pick and blag a living fighting on cheap PPV shows through TR conning fans while he was struggling with tomato cans. Froch says Chavez is a great fighter but the world knows different he as fought 1 genuine top class fighter and only got going in the last 2 rounds when his opponent was tired from administering a 10 round beatdown. To fight Chavez and duck Groves or even Stevenson smacks of one last gimme fight before he hangs them up. I just wish he was honest about it no one says he don't deserve a easy fight to go out on just don't expect us to pay PPV for it.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 04, 2013, 10:25:50 PM
injury?


More BS being spouted by the Froch apologists. Hanging on his every post-fight word, despite the fact that all can see he's been talking utter crap.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 04, 2013, 11:15:15 PM
More BS being spouted by the Froch apologists. Hanging on his every post-fight word, despite the fact that all can see he's been talking utter crap.

Exactly!  Why the fook doesn't he start talking some sense like old sick-note Haye?  He should've spouted all manner of shite before the fight, fought like a nonce and then said his toe hurt a bit.  That way everybody would respect him, eh son?   ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 04, 2013, 11:36:56 PM
Livefight domestic ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 05, 2013, 12:53:19 AM
He should've spouted all manner of shite before the fight, fought like a nonce...

Mmmmm......  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Heathen on December 05, 2013, 08:20:55 AM
Exactly!  Why the fook doesn't he start talking some sense like old sick-note Haye?  He should've spouted all manner of shite before the fight, fought like a nonce and then said his toe hurt a bit.  That way everybody would respect him, eh son?   ;)

Froch did spout all manner of shite before the fight (international superstar, Britain's greatest ever, KO power, bad breath, pink trousers) and did fight like a nonce.

Haye was going up against the undisputed champion at HW, Froch was up against a 19 fight novice.

Bad example...


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 05, 2013, 11:26:55 AM
Kony2012


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 05, 2013, 11:36:48 AM
Kony2012

 ;) Just aint gona last. Can we please move on to Groves options rather than talk about Froch all the time.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 05, 2013, 12:14:34 PM
;) Just aint gona last. Can we please move on to Groves options rather than talk about Froch all the time.

Carl is his only route to fortune.

With Froch, he can earn £1m and without him he earns nothing because he's lost his mandatory and will be the "opponent".

His stock has risen, but he is now seen as a threat.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 05, 2013, 12:24:49 PM
Carl is his only route to fortune.

With Froch, he can earn £1m and without him he earns nothing because he's lost his mandatory and will be the "opponent".

His stock has risen, but he is now seen as a threat.

And after all this talk of Froch ducking the rematch we are yet to hear any news on who else Groves may fight next. Perhaps another terrible opponent to be added to Groves cv.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 05, 2013, 12:49:49 PM
Credit to Groves he has done brilliant both in the fight (whilst he was in it) and in the aftermath.

But he needs to play it carefully and get the rematch, otherwise he will be yesterday's fish and chip wrappers by the time Xmas is over.

What is big news last week, soon becomes forgotten.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 05, 2013, 12:57:31 PM
Credit to Groves he has done brilliant both in the fight (whilst he was in it) and in the aftermath.

But he needs to play it carefully and get the rematch, otherwise he will be yesterday's fish and chip wrappers by the time Xmas is over.

What is big news last week, soon becomes forgotten.

Is the rematch still on the cards?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 05, 2013, 01:38:39 PM
Carl is his only route to fortune.

With Froch, he can earn £1m and without him he earns nothing because he's lost his mandatory and will be the "opponent".

His stock has risen, but he is now seen as a threat.

... to froch.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 05, 2013, 02:02:06 PM
Credit to Groves he has done brilliant both in the fight (whilst he was in it) and in the aftermath.

But he needs to play it carefully and get the rematch, otherwise he will be yesterday's fish and chip wrappers by the time Xmas is over.

What is big news last week, soon becomes forgotten.

Its a difficult one to know how to play it for Groves.
If he says nothing from now on (after making his point) it's easy for him to be forgotten and dismissed by Froch's camp. People will think he's obviously not that bothered, perhaps he didnt want the rematch after all.

However if he goes to town on the calling for a rematch constantly he also runs the risk of isolating himself and Carl will think 'fook it, why should i give him another chance when hes slating me every week'.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 05, 2013, 02:08:00 PM
Froch did spout all manner of shite before the fight (international superstar, Britain's greatest ever, KO power, bad breath, pink trousers) and did fight like a nonce.

Haye was going up against the undisputed champion at HW, Froch was up against a 19 fight novice.

Bad example...

Haha, well if you think that performance by Froch was 'fighting like a nonce', then might I suggest you're following the wrong sport.  Maybe American Wrestling might be more your cuppa tea?  Unless of course you were trying to be hilarious, in which case you succeeded admirably!   ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Hurricane on December 05, 2013, 02:16:05 PM
Groves is still very highly ranked with the WBO, behind only Abraham I think, so a rematch isn't the be all and end all for him.  A Froch rematch would undoubtedly be the big payday for him but at 25 he has years ahead of him.  

I'm sure he'll be on HBO's radar as a possible opponent for Ward as unless Andre moves up to 175 or one of the guys from 160 moves up he's very short on relevant opponents.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 05, 2013, 04:12:44 PM
Groves is still very highly ranked with the WBO, behind only Abraham I think, so a rematch isn't the be all and end all for him.  A Froch rematch would undoubtedly be the big payday for him but at 25 he has years ahead of him.  

I'm sure he'll be on HBO's radar as a possible opponent for Ward as unless Andre moves up to 175 or one of the guys from 160 moves up he's very short on relevant opponents.

I would love to see a Groves v Ward match. I think he will lose to ward but I think he will impress the mass's on this fight too. He will almost certainly do better than froch managed which could help raise his stock levels even higher than it is now.

Ward could also show the world and froch how the job should be done. 


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 05, 2013, 04:15:18 PM
Could just imagine seeing Groves on Bullseye having just failed to win Bully's special prize:

Here's what you cudda won ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

And Still  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 05, 2013, 04:30:28 PM
Could just imagine seeing Groves on Bullseye having just failed to win Bully's special prize:

Here's what you cudda won ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

And Still  ;)

Groves is a Londoner - so winning a Caravan or a Speedboat would be useless. However he would have the adulation and admiration of the world audience.

... and the new... peoples champ.   ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 05, 2013, 04:39:37 PM
Groves is a Londoner - so winning a Caravan or a Speedboat would be useless. However he would have the adulation and admiration of the world audience.

... and the new... peoples champ.   ;)


The nation loves a loser ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Cobra on December 05, 2013, 04:40:42 PM
Its a difficult one to know how to play it for Groves.
If he says nothing from now on (after making his point) it's easy for him to be forgotten and dismissed by Froch's camp. People will think he's obviously not that bothered, perhaps he didnt want the rematch after all.

However if he goes to town on the calling for a rematch constantly he also runs the risk of isolating himself and Carl will think 'fook it, why should i give him another chance when hes slating me every week'.
Spot on !!!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 05, 2013, 04:49:56 PM
The nation loves a loser ;)

That is true. Just look at the likes of Frank Bruno. Win or lose - he always won the hearts of the nation.

Humility goes a long way on these shores. We effing hate a flash arrogant c?nt.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 05, 2013, 05:05:45 PM

We effing hate a flash arrogant c?nt.

so you know what groves is really like then ;)






Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 05, 2013, 05:11:08 PM
so you know what groves is really like then ;)


I dunno what Groves or Bruno are really like.

I know what the public perception is though and it is very different than for froch or say khan.

Not very likeable, lets say.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: ScottMillwall on December 05, 2013, 05:24:09 PM
I dunno what Groves or Bruno are really like.

I know what the public perception is though and it is very different than for froch or say khan.

Not very likeable, lets say.

I'd heard that Bruno was actually a total arsehole. Could be bollocks, obviously. Probably is bollocks.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 05, 2013, 05:39:27 PM
I'd heard that Bruno was actually a total arsehole. Could be bollocks, obviously. Probably is bollocks.

Funnily enough, I've heard the same.

Does seem hard to believe but then again I've not met him personally.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 05, 2013, 05:39:41 PM
I'd heard that Bruno was actually a total arsehole. Could be bollocks, obviously. Probably is bollocks.

I'm presuming he was no Herbie Hide.

Bear in mind I'm not talking about stalker like "OK/Hello" magazine personal/private life behind closed doors stuff.

I'm talking about the public perception born from the media exposure in the public spotlight occurring as a direct result of their profession.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 05, 2013, 05:47:40 PM
Froch to me comes across as the kinda guy who always needs praised and told how good he is and how good he's been for British boxing I remember watching his behind the ropes before the fight and he said something along the lines of "Groves should have said how well he's prepared for this fight how hard it's going to be and how much he's appreciative of getting to fight for a world title" it made me laugh at the time.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tito on December 05, 2013, 05:50:02 PM
Its a difficult one to know how to play it for Groves.
If he says nothing from now on (after making his point) it's easy for him to be forgotten and dismissed by Froch's camp. People will think he's obviously not that bothered, perhaps he didnt want the rematch after all.

However if he goes to town on the calling for a rematch constantly he also runs the risk of isolating himself and Carl will think 'fook it, why should i give him another chance when hes slating me every week'.

Froch is hoping he starts going down the route of saying Froch is avoiding him and that he is yellow. He will just justify it avoiding him by saying he don't want to give him a big payday whilst he is hoping we pay for a PPV against a bum like Chavez and a fight he can't win against Ward. If Hearn wants to keep the fans happy there is only one option and that is a rematch.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Hurricane on December 05, 2013, 06:06:24 PM
Bruno is sound, as is Groves.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: ScottMillwall on December 05, 2013, 06:10:31 PM
Bruno is sound, as is Groves.

Thought it may have been bollocks. Didn't think he'd be an arsehole.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 05, 2013, 06:22:36 PM
Wasnt Ali a dick? and look how hes seen today. GOAT


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 05, 2013, 06:54:00 PM
I don't think he has come across that well at times in the press especially recently and sometimes I have cringed at what he has said but I always think back to the time he spoke to the fans including myself in Monaco ( for hours ) and the few times I have met him where he has been very friendly.

He isn't a bad guy at all, an international superstar yes but a bad guy no ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2013, 06:55:52 PM
Wasnt Ali a dick? and look how hes seen today. GOAT

Ali was more modest than Froch.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: GOD on December 05, 2013, 07:02:45 PM
Froch to me comes across as the kinda guy who always needs praised

Well, if that's good enough for Almighty God...  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 05, 2013, 07:08:12 PM
Ali was more modest than Froch.

Just because Carl doesn't spit lyrics.  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 05, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
Wasnt Ali a dick? and look how hes seen today. GOAT

Ali was a dick to Americans because he converted to Islam and refused to kill Vietnamese people for his country.

Regarding boxing his abuse toward his opponents was mostly for entertainment purposes, and was mostly tongue in cheek. He had Charisma.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 05, 2013, 07:17:39 PM
Ali was a dick to Americans because he converted to Islam and refused to kill Vietnamese people for his country.

Regarding boxing his abuse toward his opponents was mostly for entertainment purposes.

frazier never forgave him for what went on in the build up ... calling him a gorrilla and all that. ali even went round to his hotel waving a gun around apparently?



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 05, 2013, 07:19:33 PM
Ali was a dick to Americans because he converted to Islam and refused to kill Vietnamese people for his country.

Regarding boxing his abuse toward his opponents was mostly for entertainment purposes.

yeah I wouldn't really bring that into his boxing career tbh.

I just had the impression that he along with Frazier he wasn't the nicest guys in the world. Look at Fraziers claims relating to the state he left Ali in.

Fact is boxers past and present dont always say nice things and if people are getting jumped up over a handshake and some banter than get back to hollyoaks.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 05, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
frazier never forgave him for what went on in the build up ... calling him a gorrilla and all that. ali even went round to his hotel waving a gun around apparently?



The gun thing was a media stunt.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 05, 2013, 07:23:41 PM


Fact is boxers past and present dont always say nice things and if people are getting jumped up over a handshake and some banter than get back to hollyoaks.


are you trying to compare froch to ali!? ffs heard it all now!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 05, 2013, 07:27:52 PM

are you trying to compare froch to ali!? ffs heard it all now!

Is an international superstar on the same level as a living Legend ??

Not quite yet I wouldn't of thought  :)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 05, 2013, 07:29:11 PM

are you trying to compare froch to ali!? ffs heard it all now!

Yes Froch is Ali  //

Im explaining that not all boxers say nice things but when all is said and done no one cares.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 05, 2013, 07:36:02 PM
Yes Froch is Ali  //

Im explaining that not all boxers say nice things but when all is said and done no one cares.

nobody cares if its Muhammad Ali .... but Froch doesn't get a pass as well lol


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 05, 2013, 07:43:53 PM
nobody cares if its Muhammad Ali .... but Froch doesn't get a pass as well lol

Ali, Frazier, Benn, Eubank, Mcclellan, Mayweather, Haye, Degale. etc.

Froch is just current topic and haters are gona hate. I half expect a topic on Froch should he not tip next time he goes out for a meal.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 05, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
Ali, Frazier, Benn, Eubank, Mcclellan, Mayweather, Haye, Degale. etc.

Froch is just current topic and haters are gona hate. I half expect a topic on Froch should he not tip next time he goes out for a meal.

How dare you include Degale in that list  >:(


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 05, 2013, 07:55:20 PM
cant put my finger on why froch stands out as such a tool

Quote
George Groves was on my hitlist and guess what? On my record it says Froch v Groves – Froch TKO round 9

Quote
''As much as the fans want to see a natural conclusion against George Groves, with me knocking him out again, I feel personally I gave him his chance and he blew it - he can't cut it at world leve.''

Quote
I took the victory from him by being the warrior and the strong ironman that I am.''

Quote
it was just another one of my great performances.''

Quote
He didn’t fight a 100 per cent Carl Froch, for reasons I’m not going to divulge.

Quote
I'll fight Andre Ward next. It’s only fair for Ward to come over here.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 05, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
How dare you include Degale in that list  >:(

Groves is ducking Degale  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 05, 2013, 08:06:42 PM
Ali, Frazier, Benn, Eubank, Mcclellan, Mayweather, Haye, Degale. etc.

Froch is just current topic and haters are gona hate. I half expect a topic on Froch should he not tip next time he goes out for a meal.

Haha - wake up to the world of king khan. Build'em up to knock them down.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 05, 2013, 08:08:49 PM
Haha - wake up to the world of king khan. Build'em up to knock them down.

Khan beat Prescott...early stoppage by a shit ref.  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 05, 2013, 09:06:04 PM
JAMES DeGALE REACTS TO CARL FROCH v GEORGE GROVES & SAYS 'FROCH SHOULD RETIRE' - EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34YTI7SfEa8#ws)



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 05, 2013, 10:46:04 PM
Khan beat Prescott...early stoppage by a shit ref.  ;)

Your referring to their boxing performances inside the ring. Whilst we are referring to their antics outside of the ring (not tipping next time he goes out for a meal.) . You gotta get on the same page dude - follow the flow.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 05, 2013, 10:52:29 PM
Your referring to their boxing performances inside the ring. Whilst we are referring to their antics outside of the ring (not tipping next time he goes out for a meal.) . You gotta get on the same page dude - follow the flow.

I didn't even know that about Khan tbh....hes a twat either way.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 05, 2013, 10:57:16 PM
I didn't even know that about Khan tbh....hes a twat either way.

True.... there are many of them amongst us.

Look at the bright side for every Froch/khan there is a Gary Linekar.  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 05, 2013, 11:10:45 PM
True.... there are many of them amongst us.

Look at the bright side for every Froch/khan there is a Gary Linekar.  ;D

Hahaha that's one way of putting it  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Methodical4u on December 07, 2013, 03:25:08 AM
Froch translation "I was getting my ass handed to me and I don't want to risk getting embarrassed".


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 07, 2013, 08:59:08 PM
(http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/brick-top/Ba5jz2eIEAALEKO_zps0d641380.jpg)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 07, 2013, 09:44:44 PM
([url]http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/brick-top/Ba5jz2eIEAALEKO_zps0d641380.jpg[/url])


 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dmp on December 07, 2013, 09:49:42 PM
([url]http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/brick-top/Ba5jz2eIEAALEKO_zps0d641380.jpg[/url])


nice  :D :D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 07, 2013, 11:26:50 PM
Froch couldn't even talk about George by name tonight lol QUACK!!!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 07, 2013, 11:29:11 PM
Froch couldn't even talk about George by name tonight lol QUACK!!!

I heard that, Carl sounded daft.

He then had to have his dig at Joe which I have no problem with, but his timing for it was shit.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 07, 2013, 11:37:46 PM
froch really let himself down tonight


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 07, 2013, 11:59:15 PM
froch really let himself down tonight


(http://i39.tinypic.com/20iga3p.gif)





Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 08, 2013, 12:05:18 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 08, 2013, 12:30:07 AM
([url]http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/brick-top/Ba5jz2eIEAALEKO_zps0d641380.jpg[/url])


 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 08, 2013, 12:38:48 AM
([url]http://i39.tinypic.com/20iga3p.gif[/url])






How about



















QUACK QUACK!!!!!!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dmp on December 08, 2013, 01:27:39 AM
carl said my opponent no respect at all from carl
hes loosing his own respect every time its brought up


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 08, 2013, 10:54:18 AM
([url]http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/brick-top/Ba5jz2eIEAALEKO_zps0d641380.jpg[/url])
Quack Quack!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 08, 2013, 01:39:25 PM
Why offer a rematch if your not going to honour it? Froch is finished mentally he's a wreck and physically the wars have all caught up with him if he's not stopped before his career is finished I'll be very surprised he should retire whilst he still has his health.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 08, 2013, 02:30:00 PM
Why offer a rematch if your not going to honour it? Groves fans are finished. Mentally they're wrecked and physically the wars have all caught up with them. If they don't stop before their sanity is finished I'll be very surprised, they should retire whilst they still have their whinge health.

 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 08, 2013, 02:31:19 PM
;D

;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 08, 2013, 03:15:29 PM
Quack Quack!
Quack Quack!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 09, 2013, 04:09:31 PM
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Havoc on December 09, 2013, 04:48:10 PM
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....

And in this case fights like a duck lol.

Oh, here come the Froch fan boys.  ;D :D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 09, 2013, 07:07:39 PM
quackers!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 09, 2013, 07:58:35 PM
I think personally Carl should go to Vegas next, he has the offers on the table and its a dream of his, I think he deserves his name in lights.

Also he has to take it now as if he did fight George next and lost ( which is a realistic possibility ) those offers wouldn't be there again. In the mean time George can go out and get a few fights with his new team under his belt maybe even another world title fight, build his name on sky a bit more and let the rivalry brew.

Let Carl Fight in Vegas and hopefully win then a huge rematch in the summer at Forrest's ground ( which is another dream of Carl's )

That would be awesome  8)



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 09, 2013, 08:48:27 PM
([url]http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww228/brick-top/Ba5jz2eIEAALEKO_zps0d641380.jpg[/url])
I think he deserves his name in lights.

Why does he deserve anything is the question? Your only as good as your last fight, and there is plenty of question marks over this one already.
Quack Quack!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 09, 2013, 08:58:44 PM
Why does he deserve anything is the question? Your only as good as your last fight, and there is plenty of question marks over this one already.
Quack Quack!

Because he is an international superstar !!!  :-X  :)

Why shouldn't he ?? He has had a fantastic career and is a multiple world champion surely he dererves a vegas trip ?? Plus I haven't said he shouldn't rematch George, Carl has only so much time left at his age so will need to do these things sooner than later, Vegas then a huge summer rematch.

If he doesn't fight George then I'm sure he will get stick. Also if he fights George straight after and beats George what then for Groves !?! I think it's best for both to let it brew and meet up again a fight down the line.

Saying that my opinion is Carl's trainer won't want Carl in another fight like his last and that it won't happen.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 09, 2013, 09:26:23 PM
I think personally Carl should go to Vegas next, he has the offers on the table and its a dream of his, I think he deserves his name in lights.





Johnny Cash tribute act?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 09, 2013, 09:46:39 PM
Groves will have plenty of time on his hands to make up funny pictures, as he plots his next leisure centre fight.

(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-09-2013/0REzwG.gif)


(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-09-2013/7MSuf5.gif)


(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-09-2013/AlwH0X.gif)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 09, 2013, 09:56:57 PM
21 pages, this is iconic.

Personally Red I think you owe a big thanks to all the Groves fans, they have brought reason and understanding to a fight that was polluted by all the Frochites taking there Frochitude to a whole new deluded level.

I am all in favour or Willywalley, Brick Top and those few yet so brave others being made mod gods.

 ;D



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 09, 2013, 10:15:58 PM
Froch Fans = Not a single whinge
Groves Fans = Whinge, whinge whinge, whinge!  Man up, guys   ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 10:54:38 PM
Groves will have plenty of time on his hands to make up funny pictures, as he plots his next leisure centre fight.


 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yep ;D ;D

Grves is absolutely desperate to get the rematch because of the $$$$$$, THAT is as clear as bloody daylight  ;)

It's so funny seeing Grves bandwagon being more popular than the coca cola lorry because it's full of clueless fuckwits ;D ;D ;D ;D

I love seeing comments like:

Should have had a standing 8 count.

Why wasn't Froch stopped in rd1?

Froch never landed a clean punch.

Groves had his hands up at time of stoppage.

Groves wasn't hurt at any point during the fight.

Groves looked fresh at time of stoppage.

The ref pulled Groves arms down.

Groves looked certain to get the ko after the rd9 exchange if ref not jumped in.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I can't stop laughing,seriously.

A massive percentage of them have no idea about Grves ducking Degale rematch or Anderson.......not once,but twice //

The karma makes me proper laugh ;D ;D ;D ;D

The thought of Grves sat at home,seething & going redder than what he was in rd9 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The only sad thing is that us Froch fans were just a few seconds away from seeing a Taylor/Bute fight all rolled into one :(

TKO9


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 09, 2013, 10:59:04 PM
Quack Quack  ???


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 11:01:05 PM
Quack Quack  ???

Degale and Anderson?

Two wrongs don't make a right ;)



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 09, 2013, 11:01:37 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D

Yep ;D ;D

Grves is absolutely desperate to get the rematch because of the $$$$$$, THAT is as clear as bloody daylight  ;)

It's so funny seeing Grves bandwagon being more popular than the coca cola lorry because it's full of clueless fuckwits ;D ;D ;D ;D

I love seeing comments like:

Should have had a standing 8 count.

Why wasn't Froch stopped in rd1?

Froch never landed a clean punch.

Groves had his hands up at time of stoppage.

Groves wasn't hurt at any point during the fight.

Groves looked fresh at time of stoppage.

The ref pulled Groves arms down.

Groves looked certain to get the ko after the rd9 exchange if ref not jumped in.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I can't stop laughing,seriously.

A massive percentage of them have no idea about Grves ducking Degale rematch or Anderson.......not once,but twice //

The karma makes me proper laugh ;D ;D ;D ;D

The thought of Grves sat at home,seething & going redder than what he was in rd9 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The only sad thing is that us Froch fans were just a few seconds away from seeing a Taylor/Bute fight all rolled into one :(

TKO9

Oh eck.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 09, 2013, 11:04:10 PM
Degale and Anderson?

Two wrongs don't make a right ;)



Maybe Carl's next fight should be Pascal then, George isn't the first person he has said he would give a rematch too  ;)



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 09, 2013, 11:04:47 PM
I think this is going to carry on rolling for a while yet!  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 11:06:39 PM
Maybe Carl's next fight should be Pascal then, George isn't the first person he has said he would give a rematch too  ;)



Don't think that would be big in Vegas though ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 09, 2013, 11:07:57 PM
I think this is going to carry on rolling for a while yet!  ;D

I wouldn't worry, Mr Alien will be back watching Forrest and playing with Transformers when Carl Retires  :)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 09, 2013, 11:08:56 PM
Don't think that would be big in Vegas though ;)

It does however throw your Degale and Anderson argument out the window does it not ??


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 11:09:20 PM
I wouldn't worry, Mr Alien will be back watching Forrest and playing with Transformers when Carl Retires  :)

and you'll be cranking one out into your collection of Grves tops ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 11:10:19 PM
It does however throw your Degale and Anderson argument out the window does it not ??

How......Froch wanted a big fight in Vegas before the Grves fight?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 11:14:16 PM
The end of the day,Grves crying out for HIS rematch yet wouldn't give Degale one & threw his belt in the bin & ducked Anderson twice.

So then, that's 3 ducks to 0 seeing as Froch has NOT decided who his next opponent will be ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 09, 2013, 11:14:38 PM
How......Froch wanted a big fight in Vegas before the Grves fight?

Well you keep saying George is a ducker for not rematching Degale and Anderson having beaten them when the same could be said for Carl then with Mr Pascal then by you're reasoning.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 09, 2013, 11:15:33 PM
The end of the day,Grves crying out for HIS rematch yet wouldn't give Degale one & threw his belt in the bin & ducked Anderson twice.

So then, that's 3 ducks to 0 seeing as Froch has NOT decided who his next opponent will be ;)

I bet you 50 quid its not George


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 11:20:15 PM
Well you keep saying George is a ducker for not rematching Degale and Anderson having beaten them when the same could be said for Carl then with Mr Pascal then by you're reasoning.

Froch hasn't fought since Groves ;)

He went on to fight higher calibre opposition immediately after Pascale.......we all know Grves didn't ;)



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 11:21:11 PM
I bet you 50 quid its not George

I'm not a gambling man ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 09, 2013, 11:22:26 PM
It's so funny seeing Grves bandwagon being more popular than the coca cola lorry because it's full of clueless fuckwits
You must be talking about the 20,000 in the MEN!  >:<


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 11:28:23 PM
You must be talking about the 20,000 in the MEN!  >:<

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Trust me,there were not 20000 booing Froch.

You should of heard the thunderous roar exactly when Groves got stopped..........oh yeah,guess people forgot that bit ;)

The major booing was at the refs stoppage shortly after because the majority of people wanted to see Groves on the deck  ;)



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 09, 2013, 11:30:22 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Trust me,there were not 20000 booing Froch.
Your not Froch's PR man are you ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 11:31:50 PM
Your not Froch's PR man are you ;)

20000 is a nice figure quoted straight from the Grves bandwagon handbook  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 09, 2013, 11:32:17 PM
i think scratch is slowly starting to realise the truth, albeit hes still in denial ... its just a natural process he must go through.

be gentle with him.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 11:38:30 PM
i think scratch is slowly starting to realise the truth, albeit hes still in denial ... its just a natural process he must go through.

be gentle with him.

YOU can't handle the truth ;)

TKO9


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 09, 2013, 11:39:25 PM
Froch hasn't fought since Groves ;)

He went on to fight higher calibre opposition immediately after Pascale.......we all know Grves didn't ;)



You are talking absolute bollocks !!

The end of the day all this bickering amounts to nothing, you can go over silly points and the he said he did bollox.....Carl won the fight and would of done anyway had the ref not stopped it albeit too early, however he got a right going over up until then and would again if he fought Groves even if he did beat him again.

 Lets be clear on this George is a very good fighter, he isnt a ducker and neither is Carl. If Groves was a ducker he would of gone the easy route out of his title shots to win a belt but didn't he fought the toughest guy out there and gave him his hardest fight to date.

If Carl was a ducker he wouldn't of ever fought the calibre of opposition he has time and again and certainly wouldn't of been able to come back the way he did the other week from what was coming his way and win that fight.

Like I said I think Carl deserves his shot in Vegas and hope he gets it, George also deserves a rematch and if he gets it then great, if not he will come again.

It's getting boring now, same nonsense spouted over and over again.

Yes Froch TK0 round 9.

Groves future world champion.

Anything else to say ?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 11:49:55 PM
You are talking absolute bollocks !!

The end of the day all this bickering amounts to nothing, you can go over silly points and the he said he did bollox.....Carl won the fight and would of done anyway had the ref not stopped it albeit too early, however he got a right going over up until then and would again if he fought Groves even if he did beat him again.

 Lets be clear on this George is a very good fighter, he isnt a ducker and neither is Carl. If Groves was a ducker he would of gone the easy route out of his title shots to win a belt but didn't he fought the toughest guy out there and gave him his hardest fight to date.

If Carl was a ducker he wouldn't of ever fought the calibre of opposition he has time and again and certainly wouldn't of been able to come back the way he did the other week from what was coming his way and win that fight.

Like I said I think Carl deserves his shot in Vegas and hope he gets it, George also deserves a rematch and if he gets it then great, if not he will come again.

It's getting boring now, same nonsense spouted over and over again.

Yes Froch TK0 round 9.

Groves future world champion.

Anything else to say ?


yeah,he's a ginger C**t.




Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 09, 2013, 11:58:47 PM
You are talking absolute bollocks !! Totally disagree,I have displayed the utmost intelligence & boxing intellect whilst inputting my valid side of the argument

The end of the day all this bickering amounts to nothing, you can go over silly points (all raised by coca cola bandwagon riders) and the he said he did bollox.....Carl won the fight and would of done anyway had the ref not stopped it albeit too early Totally agree 100%

 Lets be clear on this George is a very good fighter (for about 6 rounds), he isnt a ducker (apart from degale & Anderson) and neither is Carl. If Groves was a ducker he would of gone the easy route out of his title shots to win a belt but didn't he fought the toughest guy out there and gave him his hardest fight to date.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 10, 2013, 05:11:58 AM
You are talking absolute bollocks !! Totally disagree,I have displayed the utmost intelligence & boxing intellect whilst inputting my valid side of the argument

The end of the day all this bickering amounts to nothing, you can go over silly points (all raised by coca cola bandwagon riders) and the he said he did bollox.....Carl won the fight and would of done anyway had the ref not stopped it albeit too early Totally agree 100%

 Lets be clear on this George is a very good fighter (for about 6 rounds), he isnt a ducker (apart from degale & Anderson) and neither is Carl. If Groves was a ducker he would of gone the easy route out of his title shots to win a belt but didn't he fought the toughest guy out there and gave him his hardest fight to date.


The end of the day is you won't say anything good about the guy because he dared fight Carl ........ " It's as simple as that "  :)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 10, 2013, 05:37:19 AM
i think scratch is slowly starting to realise the truth, albeit hes still in denial ... its just a natural process he must go through.

be gentle with him.

I think you're right mate, he's obviously just lashing out at the minute but he'll soon find acceptance


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Buckers on December 10, 2013, 06:15:15 AM
If the Grovesamaniacs could wish for one thing this Christmas what would it be?

Seriously lads let it go.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 10, 2013, 08:49:40 AM
20000 is a nice figure quoted straight from the Grves bandwagon handbook  ;)
end of the day the booing is a completely different gravy, and both sides of that can be argued about - pretty much the same as the fight. I'm a boxing fan at the end of the day and still after all this time people are still talking what happened that night. That pretty much cries rematch in many peoples eyes. and btw skratch, im not on any bandwagon, i just love the sport of boxing ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 10, 2013, 10:09:38 AM
The end of the day is you won't say anything good about the guy because he dared fight Carl ........ " It's as simple as that "  :)

LIES!!!!!!!!!!

He's got good tattoos  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: TC on December 10, 2013, 11:25:15 AM
I love seeing comments like:

Should have had a standing 8 count.

Why wasn't Froch stopped in rd1?

Froch never landed a clean punch.

Groves had his hands up at time of stoppage.

Groves wasn't hurt at any point during the fight.

Groves looked fresh at time of stoppage.

The ref pulled Groves arms down.

Groves looked certain to get the ko after the rd9 exchange if ref not jumped in.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I can't stop laughing,seriously.

A massive percentage of them have no idea about Grves ducking Degale rematch or Anderson.......not once,but twice //

The karma makes me proper laugh ;D ;D ;D ;D

The thought of Grves sat at home,seething & going redder than what he was in rd9 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The only sad thing is that us Froch fans were just a few seconds away from seeing a Taylor/Bute fight all rolled into one :(

TKO9

I think some of what you're saying is true, but if there's no case for Froch to answer here then why do his fans feel the need to respond to any of it? Me thinks the lady doth protest too much...


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Socrates on December 10, 2013, 12:07:23 PM
You are talking absolute bollocks !!

The end of the day all this bickering amounts to nothing, you can go over silly points and the he said he did bollox.....Carl won the fight and would of done anyway had the ref not stopped it albeit too early, however he got a right going over up until then and would again if he fought Groves even if he did beat him again.

 Lets be clear on this George is a very good fighter, he isnt a ducker and neither is Carl. If Groves was a ducker he would of gone the easy route out of his title shots to win a belt but didn't he fought the toughest guy out there and gave him his hardest fight to date.

If Carl was a ducker he wouldn't of ever fought the calibre of opposition he has time and again and certainly wouldn't of been able to come back the way he did the other week from what was coming his way and win that fight.

Like I said I think Carl deserves his shot in Vegas and hope he gets it, George also deserves a rematch and if he gets it then great, if not he will come again.

It's getting boring now, same nonsense spouted over and over again.

Yes Froch TK0 round 9.

Groves future world champion.

Anything else to say ?


This should be made the last post on this thread and the whole thing closed.

The only thin I'd disagree with is "It's getting boring now". It got boring a long, long, long time ago.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 10, 2013, 12:32:59 PM
No way this thread gets closed until justice is served  //


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 10, 2013, 03:08:45 PM
This should be made the last post on this thread and the whole thing closed.

The only thin I'd disagree with is "It's getting boring now". It got boring a long, long, long time ago.

???
Cos a few people say they're bored, this should be closed?
This is a forum.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Socrates on December 10, 2013, 03:38:33 PM
???
Cos a few people say they're bored, this should be closed?
This is a forum.

No.

Because it's eminently sensible, realistic, honest and an excellent summary of the position.

There's been nothing new the last 15 pages or so. It's the same people repeating the same arguments becoming more entrenched in their position and it's spilling out to and ruining other threads and the board as a whole.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 10, 2013, 03:43:10 PM
This should be made the last post on this thread and the whole thing closed.

The only thin I'd disagree with is "It's getting boring now". It got boring a long, long, long time ago.

Amen. We should all shake hands and move on - but only after I've told the Groves fans what I think of them... It would go against everything I believe in if I just did it straight away...


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 10, 2013, 04:24:30 PM
Amen. We should all shake hands and move on - but only after I've told the Groves fans what I think of them... It would go against everything I believe in if I just did it straight away...

Irony of a froch fan insisting on a hand shake  ;D




Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 10, 2013, 04:27:36 PM
Irony of a froch fan insisting on a hand shake  ;D




 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 10, 2013, 05:28:43 PM
I did notice this thread turned into a thew groves fans just saying quack quack to each other for bout a week. Shame people started to bite as these guys were on the verge of being sectioned.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Buckers on December 10, 2013, 08:35:48 PM
Irony of a froch fan insisting on a hand shake  ;D




And round and round we go


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Kevan2 on December 10, 2013, 08:37:57 PM
Irony of a froch fan insisting on a hand shake  ;D




  Hahahahahaha  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 10, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
No.

Because it's eminently sensible, realistic, honest and an excellent summary of the position.

There's been nothing new the last 15 pages or so. It's the same people repeating the same arguments becoming more entrenched in their position and it's spilling out to and ruining other threads and the board as a whole.

Dont read it then, simple as  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 10, 2013, 09:25:55 PM
Irony of a froch fan insisting on a hand shake  ;D




 ;D My favorite post today.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 10, 2013, 09:34:39 PM
Dont read it then, simple as  ;)

socrates cannot comprehend his man wasnt winning the fight and and also will not accept that Carl is ducking a rematch  :D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 10, 2013, 10:48:35 PM
Irony of a froch fan insisting on a hand shake  ;D




  :lolz:



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: bigbibbs on December 16, 2013, 12:53:47 PM
Groves would easily win the rematch!

He would do what he did again but be more clever about it and pace himself better.

He could easily run away with it for the first seven rounds and then just box.  Not go for the KO and not get too involved as the rounds ticked on.  He would outpoint him by a mile that way and run away with it.

Froch wont fight him again unless ordered to, he was humiliated for at least six rounds.

Andre Ward dont make me laugh he will just do the same again


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Faulks on December 16, 2013, 05:26:28 PM
Socrates doesn't need me to fight his corner but I'm sure he's agreed which most of us (if not all) carl at the time was losing the fight??

Rematch won't happen IMO because there's every chance groves would win as bigbiibbs as pointed out though I'm sure carl would change his gameplan.

Though not sure he could change it that much to be honest .


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 16, 2013, 06:27:56 PM
Socrates doesn't need me to fight his corner but I'm sure he's agreed which most of us (if not all) carl at the time was losing the fight??

Rematch won't happen IMO because there's every chance groves would win as bigbiibbs as pointed out though I'm sure carl would change his gameplan.

Though not sure he could change it that much to be honest .

Not sure what Carl can do differently what you see with Carl is what you get.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 16, 2013, 07:34:51 PM
Groves was dangerous for the early rounds no doubt but the fight didn't even reach the 10th so how anyone can say that Groves wins the rematch easy is beyond me, what rubbish.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 16, 2013, 07:40:26 PM
Groves was dangerous for the early rounds no doubt but the fight didn't even reach the 10th so how anyone can say that Groves wins the rematch easy is beyond me, what rubbish.

Picking a guy who had won every round prior to getting stopped prematurely is rubbish? Hmmm.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 16, 2013, 08:11:20 PM
Picking a guy who had won every round prior to getting stopped prematurely is rubbish? Hmmm.

You should give it a rest if the story is now that groves "won every round". It's boring now. Just get over it. He didn't win every round and he lost the fight. The whining and embellishment is plain embarrassing now.

Next you'll be saying that Groves is in the top 10 of the top 100 P4P listings for 2013 in Ring magazine.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 16, 2013, 08:13:24 PM
'Joe Calzaghe: Carl Froch Got Schooled, He Was Very Lucky, He Has To Give George Groves A Rematch To Save His Reputation!'

Former undisputed super middleweight and light heavyweight world champion Joe Calzaghe has told Carl Froch he risks damaging his legacy if he does not agree to a rematch with rising star George Groves.

Groves dominated the bout against the IBF and WBA 'Regular' super middleweight champion Froch, flooring Froch in the 1st round and giving him a boxing lesson. Then, referee Howard Foster controversially stepped in to stop the contest in the 9th round after Froch landed a couple of punches when Groves was against the ropes, for what many believed to be a premature stoppage. Froch has so far refused to court talk of a rematch - a rematch which boxing fans around the world are demanding.

2 division king Calzaghe, who retired with a perfect 46-0 undefeated record and was recently inducted into the Boxing Hall Of Fame, believes Froch has to give Groves a rematch, and said Groves gave Froch a boxing lesson.

Calzaghe himself resisted numerous call outs and disrespectful comments directed as him by Froch as he campaigned for a fight with the legendary Welshman. Undisputed super middleweight king Calzaghe opted not to face the relatively unknown Froch, and instead travel to America to face the legendary Bernard Hopkins - who is the current IBF light heavyweight champion and set to face WBA champion Beibut Shumenov in a unification bout in March - where Calzaghe defeated Hopkins to become the light heavyweight world champion.

"I thought Carl was fortunate and I think he should give him a rematch." Calzaghe said. "Carl's a strong fighter and we know what he brings to the table but I thought he got schooled in that fight. He was losing it badly and I think as champion it is up to him to give Groves another chance. The rematch should happen but it's up to Carl. If he doesn't, it could damage his reputation and ruin it for him."

Froch, meanwhile, claims he is not interested in talking about a rematch, saying he believed the fight was becoming very one sided in his favour. He said he will sit down with promoter Eddie Hearn soon, and wants a rematch with super middleweight king Andre Ward, who dominated and outclassed Froch in a one sided unanimous decision win in 2011, despite going into the bout with a broken hand.

''Everyone could see what was going to happen in that fight (against Groves) and the fact is I have nothing more to prove in a rematch. I was dominating the bout and it was becoming very one-sided.'' Froch said. "I will sit down with my promoter Eddie Hearn and discuss my options. I think I have a maximum of three more fights left in me and I am interested in trying to make a rematch with Ward."


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 16, 2013, 08:23:47 PM
'Joe Calzaghe: Carl Froch Got Schooled, He Was Very Lucky, He Has To Give George Groves A Rematch To Save His Reputation!'

Former undisputed super middleweight and light heavyweight world champion Joe Calzaghe has told Carl Froch he risks damaging his legacy if he does not agree to a rematch with rising star George Groves.

Groves dominated the bout against the IBF and WBA 'Regular' super middleweight champion Froch, flooring Froch in the 1st round and giving him a boxing lesson. Then, referee Howard Foster controversially stepped in to stop the contest in the 9th round after Froch landed a couple of punches when Groves was against the ropes, for what many believed to be a premature stoppage. Froch has so far refused to court talk of a rematch - a rematch which boxing fans around the world are demanding.

2 division king Calzaghe, who retired with a perfect 46-0 undefeated record and was recently inducted into the Boxing Hall Of Fame, believes Froch has to give Groves a rematch, and said Groves gave Froch a boxing lesson.

Calzaghe himself resisted numerous call outs and disrespectful comments directed as him by Froch as he campaigned for a fight with the legendary Welshman. Undisputed super middleweight king Calzaghe opted not to face the relatively unknown Froch, and instead travel to America to face the legendary Bernard Hopkins - who is the current IBF light heavyweight champion and set to face WBA champion Beibut Shumenov in a unification bout in March - where Calzaghe defeated Hopkins to become the light heavyweight world champion.

"I thought Carl was fortunate and I think he should give him a rematch." Calzaghe said. "Carl's a strong fighter and we know what he brings to the table but I thought he got schooled in that fight. He was losing it badly and I think as champion it is up to him to give Groves another chance. The rematch should happen but it's up to Carl. If he doesn't, it could damage his reputation and ruin it for him."

Froch, meanwhile, claims he is not interested in talking about a rematch, saying he believed the fight was becoming very one sided in his favour. He said he will sit down with promoter Eddie Hearn soon, and wants a rematch with super middleweight king Andre Ward, who dominated and outclassed Froch in a one sided unanimous decision win in 2011, despite going into the bout with a broken hand.

''Everyone could see what was going to happen in that fight (against Groves) and the fact is I have nothing more to prove in a rematch. I was dominating the bout and it was becoming very one-sided.'' Froch said. "I will sit down with my promoter Eddie Hearn and discuss my options. I think I have a maximum of three more fights left in me and I am interested in trying to make a rematch with Ward."

So...Nothing new to report. Calzaghe has little dig at Froch shocker.. Froch says he's not made a decision yet. Enjoy Christmas and start it all again in the New Year..by which point Groves will not have only won every round at least twice...but he will probably get an MBE in the honours list for being the "nearly man" that everyone now loves. "I was robbed" "I was robbed"...blah blah blah...Zzzzzzzzzz



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 16, 2013, 09:24:57 PM
So...Nothing new to report. Calzaghe has little dig at Froch shocker.. Froch says he's not made a decision yet. Enjoy Christmas and start it all again in the New Year..by which point Groves will not have only won every round at least twice...but he will probably get an MBE in the honours list for being the "nearly man" that everyone now loves. "I was robbed" "I was robbed"...blah blah blah...Zzzzzzzzzz


Dude if people are still talking about manny v mayweather even after manny got KTFO. Or making reference to khan getting KTFO by prescott. Expect froch v groves 2 to be around well after froch retires. Its just the way it is I'm afraid.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 16, 2013, 10:06:26 PM
'Joe Calzaghe: Carl Froch Got Schooled, He Was Very Lucky, He Has To Give George Groves A Rematch To Save His Reputation!'

Former undisputed super middleweight and light heavyweight world champion Joe Calzaghe has told Carl Froch he risks damaging his legacy if he does not agree to a rematch with rising star George Groves.

Groves dominated the bout against the IBF and WBA 'Regular' super middleweight champion Froch, flooring Froch in the 1st round and giving him a boxing lesson. Then, referee Howard Foster controversially stepped in to stop the contest in the 9th round after Froch landed a couple of punches when Groves was against the ropes, for what many believed to be a premature stoppage. Froch has so far refused to court talk of a rematch - a rematch which boxing fans around the world are demanding.

2 division king Calzaghe, who retired with a perfect 46-0 undefeated record and was recently inducted into the Boxing Hall Of Fame, believes Froch has to give Groves a rematch, and said Groves gave Froch a boxing lesson.

Calzaghe himself resisted numerous call outs and disrespectful comments directed as him by Froch as he campaigned for a fight with the legendary Welshman. Undisputed super middleweight king Calzaghe opted not to face the relatively unknown Froch, and instead travel to America to face the legendary Bernard Hopkins - who is the current IBF light heavyweight champion and set to face WBA champion Beibut Shumenov in a unification bout in March - where Calzaghe defeated Hopkins to become the light heavyweight world champion.

"I thought Carl was fortunate and I think he should give him a rematch." Calzaghe said. "Carl's a strong fighter and we know what he brings to the table but I thought he got schooled in that fight. He was losing it badly and I think as champion it is up to him to give Groves another chance. The rematch should happen but it's up to Carl. If he doesn't, it could damage his reputation and ruin it for him."

Froch, meanwhile, claims he is not interested in talking about a rematch, saying he believed the fight was becoming very one sided in his favour. He said he will sit down with promoter Eddie Hearn soon, and wants a rematch with super middleweight king Andre Ward, who dominated and outclassed Froch in a one sided unanimous decision win in 2011, despite going into the bout with a broken hand.

''Everyone could see what was going to happen in that fight (against Groves) and the fact is I have nothing more to prove in a rematch. I was dominating the bout and it was becoming very one-sided.'' Froch said. "I will sit down with my promoter Eddie Hearn and discuss my options. I think I have a maximum of three more fights left in me and I am interested in trying to make a rematch with Ward."

 :o Does he actually believe the stuff he comes out with?!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 16, 2013, 10:09:15 PM
:o Does he actually believe the stuff he comes out with?!

Does sound like an Amir Kahn quote !!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 16, 2013, 11:14:52 PM
You should give it a rest if the story is now that groves "won every round". It's boring now. Just get over it. He didn't win every round and he lost the fight. The whining and embellishment is plain embarrassing now.

Next you'll be saying that Groves is in the top 10 of the top 100 P4P listings for 2013 in Ring magazine.

Ok almost every round then.

It comes as little shock to me you find an opinion different to that of your own boring.

I'm not arsed about debating the fight anymore, just did not agree with Tims post and said why, it is a forum I thought.

Look at the majority of scorecards from score collectors report, the majority only gave Carl a couple of rounds and those he never won clear.

I find it quite embarrasing that fans of fighters deny what was apparent to almost everyone else simply to blow there heroes trumpet that little bit more. Not only do they support Carl but churn out the same cringe worthy rubbish at times also.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 16, 2013, 11:24:29 PM
Who cares what that washed up coke head thinks?

"It's all about the money maaaaan" so Sky / Hennessy offered him a career high purse and he still went for Roy Jones.

That's his legacy right there.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 16, 2013, 11:25:22 PM
http://youtu.be/jVbfPALPLeA (http://youtu.be/jVbfPALPLeA)

Recent Ifilm interview with Groves - Rematch or Retire.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 16, 2013, 11:26:39 PM
Who cares what that washed up coke head thinks?

"It's all about the money maaaaan" so Sky / Hennessy offered him a career high purse and he still went for Roy Jones.

That's his legacy right there.

So what if Sky and Eddie offer Carl a career high purse and he goes to Vegas ?

Devils advocate and all that....


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 16, 2013, 11:31:48 PM
So what if Sky and Eddie offer Carl a career high purse and he goes to Vegas ?

Devils advocate and all that....

Not really, your talking about a fact, compared with something you dreamed up.

At first I was dying for the rematch, now I hope he don't give him one. All the whining and revisionist shit he's spouting since ... He was a dick before and a dick after.

Froch can pick up a couple of mill, spank a big name stateside and fight at the Thomas & Mack or MGM on HBO - whilst sticking two fingers up at GG and his lofty purse demands.

It's a win,win,win,win,win situation.




Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 16, 2013, 11:37:51 PM
Not really, your talking about a fact, compared with something you dreamed up.

At first I was dying for the rematch, now I hope he don't give him one. All the whining and revisionist shit he's spouting since ... He was a dick before and a dick after.

Froch can pick up a couple of mill, spank a big name stateside and fight at the Thomas & Mack or MGM on HBO - whilst sticking two fingers up at GG and his lofty purse demands.

It's a win,win,win,win,win situation.




Ah but its More than likely a reality as Hearn has or will of offered the rematch and he will earn more money fighting Groves than ANother in Vegas. Its not some nonsense i have made up is it.

I havent personally got a problem with him going to vegas as he deserves his name in lights IMO, I'm more pointing out you criticising one for doing so when you will obviously give Carl a pass for doing the same  :)

Good for the goose and all that !!



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 17, 2013, 12:47:40 AM
Not really, your talking about a fact, compared with something you dreamed up.

At first I was dying for the rematch, now I hope he don't give him one. All the whining and revisionist shit he's spouting since ... He was a dick before and a dick after.

Froch can pick up a couple of mill, spank a big name stateside and fight at the Thomas & Mack or MGM on HBO - whilst sticking two fingers up at GG and his lofty purse demands.

It's a win,win,win,win,win situation.



Huh ??? - but calzaghe did the same when he went to vegas to fight hopkins. I thought you was against that then and wanted him to fight an unknown froch. That was like 5 years ago. In which case hopkins now 5 years later would still spank froch.

Plus aint there some other boxing legends who were/are coke heads.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 17, 2013, 01:30:06 AM
Let's look at the levels they were fighting at when Carl was calling out Joe

Joe Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy - Carl Froch vs Brian Magee
Joe Calzaghe vs Mikkel Kessler - Carl Froch vs Robin Reid
Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins - Carl Froch vs Albert Rybacki


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 17, 2013, 02:07:26 AM
Let's look at the levels they were fighting at when Carl was calling out Joe

Joe Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy - Carl Froch vs Brian Magee
Joe Calzaghe vs Mikkel Kessler - Carl Froch vs Robin Reid
Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins - Carl Froch vs Albert Rybacki

Also didn't calzaghe step up to Light heavyweight to face hopkins. That would be like Froch stepping up to face Adonis Stephenson or Kovalev who I believe would be far more difficult challenges than George groves. So I guess we will have to wait and see who froch faces next ... but please not chavez jr - he is a waste of space.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 17, 2013, 08:34:23 AM
If Carl fights again, and it's a big if, it will be against Chavez in Vegas.
He doesn't want to step up and fight Stevenson as others have suggested, he doesn't even want to fight GGG... Too much risk at this stage.
He certainly will never ever ever ever fight groves again, that is certainly too much risk.

Carl knew after the groves fight he was done at the top level, he will never admit it but he's also no idiot. I said immediately after there would be no re match, and the will not be.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 17, 2013, 10:13:14 AM
that recent interview with eddie and kugs made me chuckle, could tell eddie was chomping at the bit to get this fight signed... "i put all the options on the table for carl, and groves is the biggest fight out there"



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 17, 2013, 10:34:52 AM
that recent interview with eddie and kugs made me chuckle, could tell eddie was chomping at the bit to get this fight signed... "i put all the options on the table for carl, and groves is the biggest fight out there"



So I didn't dream it up then  :)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 17, 2013, 10:49:59 AM
So I didn't dream it up then  :)

no mate your talking about a fact


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Kevan2 on December 17, 2013, 10:57:04 AM
Im still of the belief that money will talk....
  
He would be destroyed by Ward, especialy now a) Ward has both hands. b) He's seen Groves do a number and will want to show the world he can do the same or better.

  Chavez would be a great fight to watch but i dont think he has much respect for himself or his sport and very little respect as a fighter by the true boxing fans. only my opinion not a fact.

  There is no way on earth he goes up to face GGG or Kovalev   so where and who ?

  I would love to see the rematch.... i dont see GG getting off to the same kind of start again but id love to see the best man win in a difinative way.  


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Driscoll on December 17, 2013, 11:09:00 AM
Im still of the belief that money will talk....
  
He would be destroyed by Ward, especialy now a) Ward has both hands. b) He's seen Groves do a number and will want to show the world he can do the same or better.

  Chavez would be a great fight to watch but i dont think he has much respect for himself or his sport and very little respect as a fighter by the true boxing fans. only my opinion not a fact.

  There is no way on earth he goes up to face GGG or Kovalev   so where and who ?

  I would love to see the rematch.... i dont see GG getting off to the same kind of start again but id love to see the best man win in a difinative way.  

Golovkin would be the one moving up to fight Froch


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 17, 2013, 11:51:40 AM
Huh ??? - but calzaghe did the same when he went to vegas to fight hopkins. I thought you was against that then and wanted him to fight an unknown froch. That was like 5 years ago. In which case hopkins now 5 years later would still spank froch.

Plus aint there some other boxing legends who were/are coke heads.

WRONG

Carl was WBC #1 and purse bids were called - he vacated the WBC instead.

Then said he was off to Light Heavyweight.

Upon hearing this, the WBO then stripped him  - and Joe Blow wrote a grovelling letter to the WBO asking to keep his 168lb title, that he was "proud" of it and intended to come back and defend it.

Joker.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 17, 2013, 11:56:34 AM
This thread should be under the 'Not Even Funny' title!  Froch finished?  After he just won again?  Groves must be done too then?  How ridiculous can we get on here?  Rightly or wrongly (in anyone's eyes), he won TKO 9.  Stoppage too early but it would've become a conclusive one within seconds imo. And any talk about the rematch is a wasted hypothesis until Froch announces his next fight.  It might be and it might not..................


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 17, 2013, 12:12:01 PM
"But Groves would have won on poin.... doh my teeth"

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/9794e46b149a6f18420860c156725711/tumblr_mvd8mgF5bV1sm2f5ao1_250.gif)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 17, 2013, 12:18:56 PM

"But Groves would have won on poin.... doh my teeth"

([url]http://25.media.tumblr.com/9794e46b149a6f18420860c156725711/tumblr_mvd8mgF5bV1sm2f5ao1_250.gif[/url])



Stoppage too early but it would've become a conclusive one within seconds


 ;D




Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: G-man on December 17, 2013, 12:21:49 PM
Let's look at the levels they were fighting at when Carl was calling out Joe

Joe Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy - Carl Froch vs Brian Magee
Joe Calzaghe vs Mikkel Kessler - Carl Froch vs Robin Reid
Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins - Carl Froch vs Albert Rybacki
In fairness, Calzaghe withdrew from a fight against Magee not that long before he fought Lacy so he could fight Mario Veit.....again.

And Lacy fought Reid only 6 months or so before Calzaghe.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 17, 2013, 01:30:40 PM
Im still of the belief that money will talk....
  
He would be destroyed by Ward, especialy now a) Ward has both hands. b) He's seen Groves do a number and will want to show the world he can do the same or better.

  Chavez would be a great fight to watch but i dont think he has much respect for himself or his sport and very little respect as a fighter by the true boxing fans. only my opinion not a fact.

  There is no way on earth he goes up to face GGG or Kovalev   so where and who ?

  I would love to see the rematch.... i dont see GG getting off to the same kind of start again but id love to see the best man win in a difinative way.  

I don't think he would get off to the same start either that was a peach of a punch but I think he would pace himself a bit better in the later rounds and just go for the win on points he got a bit greedy and cocky in the later rounds of the first fight and tried to knock Carl out and you're going to have to hit Carl with something massive to knock him out so I think he'll pace himself better.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 17, 2013, 01:32:35 PM
I don't think he would get off to the same start either that was a peach of a punch but I think he would pace himself a bit better in the later rounds and just go for the win on points he got a bit greedy and cocky in the later rounds of the first fight and tried to knock Carl out and you're going to have to hit Carl with something massive to knock him out so I think he'll pace himself better.

Do you think he will pace himself better ?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Kevan2 on December 17, 2013, 01:43:37 PM
Golovkin would be the one moving up to fight Froch

   Your right of course, why did i put that instead of Stevenson ? i may well be a tad punch drunk!!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Harvey on December 17, 2013, 02:08:58 PM
If going to Vegas was going to generate Carl more cash than a re-match then I could understand why he would take that option.

However,  I don't see how they can generate more cash than the re-match.

I suppose it also depends on how many more fights he has in him.

If he only wants one more then I suppose he may want to see his name up in lights in Vegas before he hangs up his gloves.

However, If he did re-match Groves and won again then the Vegas option for a final fight would still be there.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 17, 2013, 02:09:25 PM
This thread should be under the 'Not Even Funny' title!  Froch finished?  After he just won again?  Groves must be done too then?  How ridiculous can we get on here?  Rightly or wrongly (in anyone's eyes), he won TKO 9.  Stoppage too early but it would've become a conclusive one within seconds imo. And any talk about the rematch is a wasted hypothesis until Froch announces his next fight.  It might be and it might not..................

At the top level mate he's done.
Carl will know it but will rightfully never admit it until he quits. He will have one more pay day against the vastly over rated Chavez, win in style and retire saying hes done all he wanted to in sport.
I dont blame him by the way, the same way i didnt blame lewis after he came off the back of a win, but Lennox knew he got out of jail and had no intention of getting back into it... Carl is the same.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 17, 2013, 02:18:00 PM
The Froch Delusion (Part 2/2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toTNvFQRc-I#ws)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 17, 2013, 02:30:01 PM
The Froch Delusion (Part 1/2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqWNFFHw4jM#ws)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Che Guevara on December 17, 2013, 04:05:04 PM
The Froch Delusion (Part 1/2) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqWNFFHw4jM#ws[/url])


"George's groves didn't blow it, the ref blew it... He blew Carl froch's knob, that's what he blew".  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: KnuckleSandwich on December 17, 2013, 05:36:37 PM

Why is there such an obsession with the end of Carl Froch's career on these pages.

If Froch is so past it please tell me who he would lose to in the SMW division bar Andre Ward?

Stevenson cant make SMW and should be concentrating on deciding how to stop Krusher Kolarev punching a hole in his  head.
Golovkin is a Middleweight.
Froch beats Sakio Bika and Steiglitz with his eyes shut.
He punched Groves so hard the Ref stopped the fight.

Far from fiinsihed im sure you'll agree Anti Froch Club.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 17, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
Do you think he will pace himself better ?

I think he will, He'll have learned a lot from the first fight and he will change up his tactics and IMO he will beat Carl in a rematch, Groves can change but IMO what you see is what you get from Carl so I can't see what he can change in a rematch.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: KnuckleSandwich on December 17, 2013, 05:58:10 PM

Has Froch deteriorated to the point where Groves has the energy to keep Froch at bay for 12 rounds?



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Chri5123 on December 17, 2013, 06:04:26 PM
Going to join in the fun!  ;D

I will probably get more boo's than Carl Froch leaving the boxing ring BUT I think Carl would win a rematch!

I think he truly didn't expect George to actually stand in the middle of the ring with him let alone push him back and that was the first shock.

The knockdown ended any composure Carl had during the fight and you could tell he just wanted to get even and was plodding after George, chasing him rather than cutting the ring off.

Carl thought he would be able to outjab George for sure and that was not the case.

Anyway, I think now that they have fought Carl would apply more educated pressure in a rematch and wear George down quicker.

Of course I think Carl would take a lot of knocks in a rematch but not end up on his arse, that punch caught him square on.

I actually think Carl can step it up a few gears based on that performance and the lead up really did get to him. The weigh in reminded me off the Hatton/Mayweather weigh in when Ricky looked so fired up he was going to explode - that is either going to work really well for you or against you but if it is out of character it is normally the latter.

Rematch - Froch wins in the 10th having fought more intelligently and wears down George faster.

All that said I think George is world class without a doubt and I would rather see Groves Vs Kessler first - if Kessler is not retired.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Wilsonhammers on December 17, 2013, 06:22:16 PM
Groves can pace him self all he likes, did no 1 else notice the wicked hurtful body shots Froch was landing, I'm sure they had some thing to do with groves down fall


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: mattbaker1510 on December 17, 2013, 06:53:31 PM
Going to join in the fun!  ;D

I will probably get more boo's than Carl Froch leaving the boxing ring BUT I think Carl would win a rematch!

I think he truly didn't expect George to actually stand in the middle of the ring with him let alone push him back and that was the first shock.

The knockdown ended any composure Carl had during the fight and you could tell he just wanted to get even and was plodding after George, chasing him rather than cutting the ring off.

Carl thought he would be able to outjab George for sure and that was not the case.

Anyway, I think now that they have fought Carl would apply more educated pressure in a rematch and wear George down quicker.

Of course I think Carl would take a lot of knocks in a rematch but not end up on his arse, that punch caught him square on.

I actually think Carl can step it up a few gears based on that performance and the lead up really did get to him. The weigh in reminded me off the Hatton/Mayweather weigh in when Ricky looked so fired up he was going to explode - that is either going to work really well for you or against you but if it is out of character it is normally the latter.

Rematch - Froch wins in the 10th having fought more intelligently and wears down George faster.

All that said I think George is world class without a doubt and I would rather see Groves Vs Kessler first - if Kessler is not retired.



Equally George had at least three opportunities to finish frock that he didn't quite manage to take. What happens if he learns from that and takes one next time?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 17, 2013, 07:13:15 PM
Picking a guy who had won every round prior to getting stopped prematurely is rubbish? Hmmm.

Picking a guy who hit Carl with everything he had and still found himself getting smashed about with over quarter of the fight left to beat froch EASILY is pure rubbish.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 17, 2013, 07:15:28 PM
Dude if people are still talking about manny v mayweather even after manny got KTFO. Or making reference to khan getting KTFO by prescott. Expect froch v groves 2 to be around well after froch retires. Its just the way it is I'm afraid.

Froch v Dirrell had similar press at the time and no one talks about that now.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 17, 2013, 07:20:48 PM
I can remember a certain Nigel Benn being battered all over the ring and getting the KO after that fight he was never the same again. Not saying I think Froch is the exact same but I suspect the Groves fight was that fight to many.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Driscoll on December 17, 2013, 07:32:57 PM
I don't think Froch is finished I just think that everyone, myself included underestimated how good groves was. Ward is far and away the best in the division and I think (if u take Froch out of the equation) Groves is probably the next best.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 17, 2013, 07:49:49 PM
The question is whether that was the beginning of the end  or a bad day at the office....Groves fought well no doubt but Froch has never been hit so hard and often....it looked like a suicide mission.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 17, 2013, 08:10:18 PM
The question is whether that was the beginning of the end  or a bad day at the office....Groves fought well no doubt but Froch has never been hit so hard and often....it looked like a suicide mission.

I agree and it could well be that it is the end of the line, if his performance level is like it was that night again I think George would win comfortably and stop him, but if it was due to a blip or an injury that he looked so poor at times and Carl is on top form then i could see the outcome being the same, with Carl winning late but in an even more brutal fight with both guys going hell for leather again.

I still have a feeling it won't happen though but would love it too if only to set the record straight once and for all.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 17, 2013, 08:35:37 PM
Picking a guy who hit Carl with everything he had and still found himself getting smashed about with over quarter of the fight left to beat froch EASILY is pure rubbish.

As is the reverse of picking a guy who was outboxed for pretty much every minute of the fight previous and was down on the scorecards and got a controversial stoppage against a guy he was expected to smash.

Froch is not an easy fight, his toughness is the reason for that. That being said though I do feel Groves only has minor adjustments to make in order to make himself mure assured of a win, lets not act like we all expected Groves to fight like he did.

I know I never and I was championing him as much as anyone, he fought to Carl's strengths and dominated pretty much every aspect. All he needs to do next time is similar tactics but with a round here and there utilising his movement and just let Carl chase him around hitting nothing, even if it costs him the round he would preserve energy to finish stronger later.

He was a bit to keen this time though given his success he did have a right to be, next time a little more composure to keep some gas in the tank and for me he should win.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 17, 2013, 09:07:25 PM
As is the reverse of picking a guy who was outboxed for pretty much every minute of the fight previous and was down on the scorecards and got a controversial stoppage against a guy he was expected to smash.

Froch is not an easy fight, his toughness is the reason for that. That being said though I do feel Groves only has minor adjustments to make in order to make himself mure assured of a win, lets not act like we all expected Groves to fight like he did.

I know I never and I was championing him as much as anyone, he fought to Carl's strengths and dominated pretty much every aspect. All he needs to do next time is similar tactics but with a round here and there utilising his movement and just let Carl chase him around hitting nothing, even if it costs him the round he would preserve energy to finish stronger later.

He was a bit to keen this time though given his success he did have a right to be, next time a little more composure to keep some gas in the tank and for me he should win.


This is where I differ big time. Groves was good but I'm sure he will be the first to admit that he only hit Carl with big shots because it was made so easy for him, Groves didn't really have to do anything special...Carl was like a big red bullseye with a hit me sign over it. I'd expect Carl to be extremely cautious in a rematch and make it so that Groves has to work for his shots to land.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 17, 2013, 09:19:27 PM

This is where I differ big time. Groves was good but I'm sure he will be the first to admit that he only hit Carl with big shots because it was made so easy for him, Groves didn't really have to do anything special...Carl was like a big red bullseye with a hit me sign over it. I'd expect Carl to be extremely cautious in a rematch and make it so that Groves has to work for his shots to land.

How though mate.
Is groves going to slow down?
Is Carl going to speed up? Is Carl suddenly going to improve his reflexes.

Out of all the above the only one which may happen is groves gets faster, purely because of his age compared to carls.
Just cannot see how Carl can avoid something he cannot get out of the way of.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Driscoll on December 17, 2013, 09:23:58 PM
I think if there was a rematch Groves would be a fool to go for the KO like he's been saying. Groves beats Carl with jab, hand speed, angles, footwork, defense. Those are his strengths so if he really wants to win he should stick to those. If he goes for the kill he makes it Carl's type of fight and he would be the favourite.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 17, 2013, 09:27:47 PM

This is where I differ big time. Groves was good but I'm sure he will be the first to admit that he only hit Carl with big shots because it was made so easy for him, Groves didn't really have to do anything special...Carl was like a big red bullseye with a hit me sign over it. I'd expect Carl to be extremely cautious in a rematch and make it so that Groves has to work for his shots to land.

I don't think Carl can fight cautious and win, he can't match groves for speed and skill and being cautious enhances groves advantages for me.

Next time Carl has to take centre ring and not be bullied like he was in fight one, George dictated fight one and Carl took a beating as a result.

Carl is willing to take to give, he has to against groves.

Fighting cautious is not his style, and against groves it would make a hard job harder.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 17, 2013, 09:33:09 PM
As is the reverse of picking a guy who was outboxed for pretty much every minute of the fight previous and was down on the scorecards and got a controversial stoppage against a guy he was expected to smash.

Froch is not an easy fight, his toughness is the reason for that. That being said though I do feel Groves only has minor adjustments to make in order to make himself mure assured of a win, lets not act like we all expected Groves to fight like he did.

I know I never and I was championing him as much as anyone, he fought to Carl's strengths and dominated pretty much every aspect. All he needs to do next time is similar tactics but with a round here and there utilising his movement and just let Carl chase him around hitting nothing, even if it costs him the round he would preserve energy to finish stronger later.

He was a bit to keen this time though given his success he did have a right to be, next time a little more composure to keep some gas in the tank and for me he should win.

That is just hysterical bollox, there, Aaron.  Go watch it again.  Seriously.  All this talk that Froch was 'schooled' and totally outboxed is the stuff of fantasy.  I take nothing away from the Groves performance, which was top drawer.  But if there is any doubt about how to score a Round, the benefit of the doubt is always gonna go to the champ.  And some of the Rounds were a good deal more open to debate than the hysteria suggests!   ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 17, 2013, 09:37:25 PM
That is just hysterical bollox, there, Aaron.  Go watch it again.  Seriously.  All this talk that Froch was 'schooled' and totally outboxed is the stuff of fantasy.  I take nothing away from the Groves performance, which was top drawer.  But if there is any doubt about how to score a Round, the benefit of the doubt is always gonna go to the champ.  And some of the Rounds were a good deal more open to debate than the hysteria suggests!   ;)

I have seen it plenty of times, Carl had spells but he landed hardly anything of significance.

He had very few periods of success in the first eight rounds, then five seconds of succes in round nine before tagging in Howard who finished the job via a ddt ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 17, 2013, 09:40:30 PM
That is just hysterical bollox, there, Aaron.  Go watch it again.  Seriously.  All this talk that Froch was 'schooled' and totally outboxed is the stuff of fantasy.  I take nothing away from the Groves performance, which was top drawer.  But if there is any doubt about how to score a Round, the benefit of the doubt is always gonna go to the champ.  And some of the Rounds were a good deal more open to debate than the hysteria suggests!   ;)

They weren't though.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 17, 2013, 09:40:39 PM
That is just hysterical bollox, there, Aaron.  Go watch it again.  Seriously.  All this talk that Froch was 'schooled' and totally outboxed is the stuff of fantasy.  I take nothing away from the Groves performance, which was top drawer.  But if there is any doubt about how to score a Round, the benefit of the doubt is always gonna go to the champ.  And some of the Rounds were a good deal more open to debate than the hysteria suggests!   ;)

Hearn should of hired you with the other two idiots who had Carl only down by a round then !!

I have watched it twice since Carl's pretty amazing comeback and anyone who thinks Carl wasnt getting a good going over up until then is totally deluded.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Gavin on December 17, 2013, 09:49:28 PM
Carl was hitting gloves a lot, fan of both but it's hard to say Carl was getting anything near as much success as groves was upto 9.

Regarding Vegas, name in lights is fine, but I'm not sure the arena would sell out. It should as he is great to watch, but can't see the masses travelling over as those froch 'fans' in manc turned on him fairly quickly, not the types to travel half way round the world and spend thousands even if they forgive froch (for not really doing anything wrong might I add!) Carls loyal fan base will without doubt be there, but can see a Calzaghe/Hopkins style ticket upgrade due to half empty arena unfortunately. The groves fight would sell out in minutes anywhere in the UK.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 17, 2013, 09:58:40 PM
Carl was hitting gloves a lot, fan of both but it's hard to say Carl was getting anything near as much success as groves was upto 9.

Regarding Vegas, name in lights is fine, but I'm not sure the arena would sell out. It should as he is great to watch, but can't see the masses travelling over as those froch 'fans' in manc turned on him fairly quickly, not the types to travel half way round the world and spend thousands even if they forgive froch (for not really doing anything wrong might I add!) Carls loyal fan base will without doubt be there, but can see a Calzaghe/Hopkins style ticket upgrade due to half empty arena unfortunately. The groves fight would sell out in minutes anywhere in the UK.

Also with some of the froch fans booing him... I guess these fans would either decide not to go to Vegas to follow him - or go there to see him get beat. Difficult to tell. I cant see many going over even if the opponent was ward. It would be a forgone conclusion like watching mayweather v khan. The chavez fight is just plain dull imo.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 17, 2013, 10:28:39 PM
Why is there such an obsession with the end of Carl Froch's career on these pages.

If Froch is so past it please tell me who he would lose to in the SMW division bar Andre Ward?

Stevenson cant make SMW and should be concentrating on deciding how to stop Krusher Kolarev punching a hole in his  head.
Golovkin is a Middleweight.
Froch beats Sakio Bika and Steiglitz with his eyes shut.
He punched Groves so hard the Ref stopped the fight.

Far from fiinsihed im sure you'll agree Anti Froch Club.

The same happened with calzage - he pretty much cleaned up the SMW division - so people wanted him to face bigger challenges at higher weights.

George Groves at 20 pro fights wasn't considered world class by froch pre-and-post fight..... hence the prompt for froch's retirement.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Gavin on December 17, 2013, 10:29:47 PM
I don't think his proper loyal fans were booing him, just the ones that turned up and probably picked him due to being the champ/being more famous/being the favourite/geographical reasons etc.

Can see why people would pay PPV money to see someone lose, but can't see someone paying thousands and wasting a week of their lives to travel to see someone lose surely!? Or does this happen???


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Gadje on December 17, 2013, 10:37:20 PM
Also with some of the froch fans booing him... I guess these fans would either decide not to got to Vegas to follow him - or go there to see him get beat. Difficult to tell. I cant see many going over even if the opponent was ward. It would be a forgone conclusion like watching mayweather v khan. The chavez fight is just plain dull imo.

The Chavez fight is meaningless in the division true, but it's not dull to entertain as a fight. It won't be an advert for the sweet science but violent and entertaining no doubt.

Froch really need to fight Groves again though. His popularity in this sport has been all about his willingness to take up the challenge. For some reason Groves gave him the hardest fight of his career. Froch ignoring that on the basis Groves isn't well known enough to merit a return won't wash with boxing fans.

He'd get great credit beating Groves legitimately which he could, rather than swerving to Vegas for a celebrity fight. Swerving hasn't been his style so far.





Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 17, 2013, 10:41:41 PM
How though mate.
Is groves going to slow down?
Is Carl going to speed up? Is Carl suddenly going to improve his reflexes.

Out of all the above the only one which may happen is groves gets faster, purely because of his age compared to carls.
Just cannot see how Carl can avoid something he cannot get out of the way of.

I wouldnt expect either guy to be much better or worse tbh. Carl has never been that elusive but he was unbelievably open v groves. I think Carl will look to edge his way into a fight like he has so many times rather then be forced into one like he was v Groves....If Carl can dictate the pace and get that jab going than he may be able to get Groves into the trenches without taking so many big shots. We have to remember that the knock down in the 1st round completely dismantled Carl physically and mentally but he recovered and was starting to land some decent shots prior to the 9th.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 17, 2013, 10:48:43 PM
I wouldnt expect either guy to be much better or worse tbh. Carl has never been that elusive but he was unbelievably open v groves. I think Carl will look to edge his way into a fight like he has so many times rather then be forced into one like he was v Groves....If Carl can dictate the pace and get that jab going than he may be able to get Groves into the trenches without taking so many big shots. We have to remember that the knock down in the 1st round completely dismantled Carl physically and mentally but he recovered and was starting to land some decent shots prior to the 9th.

You also have to factor in that groves will know that he can't rely upon the ref or the judges to act without bias - unless the rematch occurs in a another country, which is pointless moneywise.

He will therefore go for the KO early now that he knows for sure froch cant cope with it.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Kevan2 on December 17, 2013, 11:19:42 PM
They weren't though.

  I must agree... it was a nitemare for Carl.. he got his bum smacked... but he was still there and GG was flagging a bit. Then the stupid ref jumped in and phucked up a great fight and what was going to be a great finish by either or both men.

    Just to add.... i hate to think what would have happened had it gone to the scorecards.... i dont see how GG could have won on the cards the way the judges had it at the time of the stoppage....


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 17, 2013, 11:22:33 PM
You also have to factor in that groves will know that he can't rely upon the ref or the judges to act without bias - unless the rematch occurs in a another country, which is pointless moneywise.

He will therefore go for the KO early now that he knows for sure froch cant cope with it.

Yes, words of wisdom. Groves put Froch down in the first but didn't go for the knock out becasue he didnt know the ref and judges were taliban secret agents out to destroy his day. Great tactics by Groves (If I badly hurt Froch I wont go for the stoppage)

Clownface.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: HurricaneHig on December 18, 2013, 12:46:53 AM
Hahaha, I love that were still talking about this

The ginger fook deserves everything he gets.

As I said before, I was delighted it was controversial, all the more bitter for GG after his childish carry on before the fight, asking Carl was he ready to cry on ringside, then sobs like a girl post fight interview.

I couldn't care less if he got cheered after it, TKO9 is what he has to live with regardless of the shite he spouts.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 18, 2013, 12:58:25 AM
Hahaha, I love that were still talking about this

The ginger fook deserves everything he gets.

As I said before, I was delighted it was controversial, all the more bitter for GG after his childish carry on before the fight, asking Carl was he ready to cry on ringside, then sobs like a girl post fight interview.

I couldn't care less if he got cheered after it, TKO9 is what he has to live with regardless of the shite he spouts.



It's amazing isn't it !!!!

29 pages !!!

Double the attendance at the blue water arena  :D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 18, 2013, 01:02:41 AM
Yes, words of wisdom. Groves put Froch down in the first but didn't go for the knock out becasue he didnt know the ref and judges were taliban secret agents out to destroy his day. Great tactics by Groves (If I badly hurt Froch I wont go for the stoppage)

Clownface.

Hehe - Clownface. I love it. Touche.  ;D ;D

On a serious note - When Trout faced canelo - I think it was open scoring which he said changed the way he fought i.e. taking risks he would have otherwise not taken if he had known that he was losing rounds. Just another ingredient to add to the Taliban Terrorist controversy.

Groves along with the nation could see he was way ahead in the fight (neglecting the froch fanboys of course) - but the judges saw different. The same happened in the Dirrell fight. Like I said the only way to eliminate the bias is to fight in a country where nobody in the arena gave a shi?te who won. No Matchroom/house fighter.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 18, 2013, 02:20:29 AM
I think I prefer this reversal of perception of Froch. On his way to the top he was constantly seen as the underdog in a large proportion of his fights - or at least a 50/50 shot. He's lost 2 fights and been beaten by only one man in his professional career. Those that forget that probably shouldn't and talk of his demise is stupidly premature. Several of us are probably aware of a contributing factor to his below par performance against groves. Not an excuse, a factor - and he still beat him. All this "opinion" about groves pacing himself better, or going in for the kill quicker is simply just "talk". Do you really think when he launched right hands in the double figures in round 6 he wasn't trying to stop Froch? And he couldn't.

The groves goading can continue for as long as he and you lot can be arsed - and it won't change a single thing. Froch will continue to fight in huge fights and again prove the naysayers wrong.  If he decides to give groves his payday then it won't be for at least a year.

I think groves can look forward to at least 3 fights and training camps to earn what he would earn against Froch in 1. The more he keeps on with the "robbed" line and retweeting of silly pictures and videos, the more I want Froch to smile when he says I'm off to Vegas, see ya!

Froch doesn't owe anyone anything, least of all groves.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 18, 2013, 06:26:59 AM
Rightly or wrongly (in anyone's eyes), he won TKO 9.

Wrongly


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 18, 2013, 06:30:01 AM
Why is there such an obsession with the end of Carl Froch's career on these pages.

If Froch is so past it please tell me who he would lose to in the SMW division bar Andre Ward?
He punched Groves so hard the Ref stopped the fight.

DKSAB


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 18, 2013, 06:33:17 AM
I don't think Froch is finished I just think that everyone, myself included underestimated how good groves was. Ward is far and away the best in the division and I think (if u take Froch out of the equation) Groves is probably the next best.

Even with Froch in the equation, Groves is the next best  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 18, 2013, 06:38:58 AM
I have seen it plenty of times, Carl had spells but he landed hardly anything of significance.

He had very few periods of success in the first eight rounds, then five seconds of succes in round nine before tagging in Howard who finished the job via a ddt ;D

I've not watched it back in full yet, but this is the impression I got on the night too. Even the shots from Froch which were being cheered by his fans weren't actually landing, Groves blocked the majority very well. My (pissed) old man was screaming and shouting in the early rounds about how hurt Groves was, how he was wobbled, but this was not the reality, and I said as much at the time.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 18, 2013, 06:44:08 AM
Froch doesn't owe anyone anything, least of all groves.

Yes he does. He owes Howard Foster for his 'World Title'.  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 18, 2013, 07:40:56 AM
I think I prefer this reversal of perception of Froch. On his way to the top he was constantly seen as the underdog in a large proportion of his fights - or at least a 50/50 shot. He's lost 2 fights and been beaten by only one man in his professional career. Those that forget that probably shouldn't and talk of his demise is stupidly premature. Several of us are probably aware of a contributing factor to his below par performance against groves. Not an excuse, a factor - and he still beat him. All this "opinion" about groves pacing himself better, or going in for the kill quicker is simply just "talk". Do you really think when he launched right hands in the double figures in round 6 he wasn't trying to stop Froch? And he couldn't.

The groves goading can continue for as long as he and you lot can be arsed - and it won't change a single thing. Froch will continue to fight in huge fights and again prove the naysayers wrong.  If he decides to give groves his payday then it won't be for at least a year.

I think groves can look forward to at least 3 fights and training camps to earn what he would earn against Froch in 1. The more he keeps on with the "robbed" line and retweeting of silly pictures and videos, the more I want Froch to smile when he says I'm off to Vegas, see ya!

Froch doesn't owe anyone anything, least of all groves.

What was the injury he had mate? Genuine question not goading, it's been alluded to a few times but never revealed.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 18, 2013, 07:57:56 AM
What was the injury he had mate? Genuine question not goading, it's been alluded to a few times but never revealed.



Could be the same 'issue' he had before the Ward fight. Or the same 'issue' as before the first Kessler fight. Guess only those in his training circle truly know what 'issue' he was hampered by.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: mattbaker1510 on December 18, 2013, 08:47:29 AM
I would be interested to know what the issue was too.  Mainly because I am nosey but also because it would give me a better idea as to what I would be see in the rematch.  If it was something genuine then we might see a better performance from froch which would make a cracking fight as quite frankly he was shite that night.  Slow ponderous jab, scared to engage and serious lacking any movement head or otherwise. 


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 18, 2013, 09:30:25 AM
"carl froch doesnt make excuses so carl froch wont tell you what the issue was... carl froch wasnt 100% though, more like 80%, so yeah 20% of carl froch wasnt working at all"









Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 18, 2013, 09:41:44 AM
Could be the same 'issue' he had before the Ward fight. Or the same 'issue' as before the first Kessler fight. Guess only those in his training circle truly know what 'issue' he was hampered by.

The "issue" might require surgery, hence any rematch might not happen for at least 7 months. End of May / June time.

But Froch (nor his supporters) will offer any excuses for his TKO9 win.

Fully fit it would have been TKO4 win.

Fancy that eh?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 18, 2013, 09:54:08 AM
wouldnt surprise me if it was jaw related


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Driscoll on December 18, 2013, 10:02:39 AM
Triple ego bypass  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 18, 2013, 11:00:35 AM
Hehe - Clownface. I love it. Touche.  ;D ;D

On a serious note - When Trout faced canelo - I think it was open scoring which he said changed the way he fought i.e. taking risks he would have otherwise not taken if he had known that he was losing rounds. Just another ingredient to add to the Taliban Terrorist controversy.

Groves along with the nation could see he was way ahead in the fight (neglecting the froch fanboys of course) - but the judges saw different. The same happened in the Dirrell fight. Like I said the only way to eliminate the bias is to fight in a country where nobody in the arena gave a shi?te who won. No Matchroom/house fighter.


 :D well I consider myself a Froch fan but I agree that he was a good 4-5 points down going into the 9th and that the two judges were wrong...however I see no reasoning to them robbing Groves, Carl has limited time left in his career and minimal fights...hes not a long term investment at this stage.

Like I have said before, Carl was hurt on a couple of occassions and in big trouble in the first (i was shcoked it reached the 3rd after that knock down) but he took a couple of rounds and finally caught up with Groves in the 9th.....The fight was far from a Groves win and Carl was still in it. The decision was bad for both fighters.

The thing is now that both guys have done what they needed to do, groves showed hes no easy push over as many(including me) fort he would be and Froch has retained his titles and can move on with his career(if he chooses to)

What do you think Groves next move would have been if he had taken the titles home?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 18, 2013, 12:17:38 PM
"carl froch doesnt make excuses so carl froch wont tell you what the issue was... carl froch wasnt 100% though, more like 80%, so yeah 20% of carl froch wasnt working at all"









 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 18, 2013, 12:19:38 PM
wouldnt surprise me if it was jaw related

Had it wired shut to stop him spouting shit?  :)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 18, 2013, 12:24:46 PM
"Groves was way ahead in the fight"

That's like saying in a 3000m race between Usain Bolt and Mo Farrah , at the 1500m mark Usain was slightly in front, gasping for air and a shadow of himself a few laps earlier.

Meanwhile Mo is looking far fresher and coming on strong.

Being in front means feck all.




Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Heathen on December 18, 2013, 12:27:18 PM
"Groves was way ahead in the fight"

That's like saying in a 3000m race between Usain Bolt and Mo Farrah , at the 1500m mark Usain was slightly in front, gasping for air and a shadow of himself a few laps earlier.

Meanwhile Mo is looking far fresher and coming on strong.

Being in front means feck all.


The race starter wouldn't go and rugby tackle Usain Bolt to the ground though, just in case, would he?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 18, 2013, 12:29:21 PM
The race starter wouldn't go and rugby tackle Usain Bolt to the ground though, just in case, would he?

 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 18, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
The race starter wouldn't go and rugby tackle Usain Bolt to the ground though, just in case, would he?

Hehe !!

Quality  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 18, 2013, 02:23:24 PM
I think I prefer this reversal of perception of Froch. On his way to the top he was constantly seen as the underdog in a large proportion of his fights - or at least a 50/50 shot. He's fightsandbeeneaten by only one man in his professional career. Those that forget that probably shouldn't andtalkof his demise is stupidly premature. Several of us are probably aware of a contributing factor to his below par performance against groves. Not an excuse, a factor - and he still beat him. All this "opinion" about groves pacing himself better, or going in for the kill quicker is simply just "talk". Do you really think when he launched right hands in the double figures in round 6 he wasn't trying to stop Froch? And he couldn't.

The groves goading can continue for as long as he and you lot can be arsed - and it won't change a single thing. Froch will continue to fight in huge fights and again prove the naysayers wrong.  If he decides to give groves his payday then it won't be for at least a year.

I think groves can look forward to at least 3 fights and training camps to earn what he would earn against Froch in 1. The more he keeps on with the "robbed" line and retweeting of silly pictures and videos, the more I want Froch to smile when he says I'm off to Vegas, see ya!

Froch doesn't owe anyone anything, least of all groves.

I'll say the same to you as Groves said to Froch, He's lost to 2 people avenging a loss doesnt wipe it off his record.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 18, 2013, 03:06:49 PM
Haha, more hilarious by the minute!  Ok, I admit my guilty pleasure these days is baiting the sad, miserable, cry-baby Groves fans but I think I've got it now.  I thought the early rounds were a lot closer, so did professional officials ringside, but some wailing, whingeing saddo Groves fans say not, so obviously we must be wrong?  And the result says TKO 9 to Froch but obviously that is wrong too and everyone was being paid off and there's a conspiracy against Groves, and Froch is finished and would've lost and he shot John Lennon too, blah, blah, blah, blah.  And now the likes of Jaimie start saying I'M biased?  I rest my case.  Go find a cause, guys, this is a man's sport.  I actually still give Groves great respect for his performance and I sincerely hope he does not become tainted by his ridiculous following!   //


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 18, 2013, 03:08:50 PM
I'll say the same to you as Groves said to Froch, He's lost to 2 people avenging a loss doesnt wipe it off his record.

Froch has defeated everyone he has faced except Ward.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 18, 2013, 03:55:16 PM
Froch has defeated everyone he has faced except Ward.



He's still been beaten more than once which is what the quote I replied to said, He's been beaten by Kessler whether Froch and his fans like to say it or not it's still an L on his record whether he avenged it or not.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 18, 2013, 04:41:53 PM
I'll say the same to you as Groves said to Froch, He's lost to 2 people avenging a loss doesnt wipe it off his record.

Yep. He's lost two decisions and been beaten by one man in his career. What's your point?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Havoc on December 18, 2013, 04:59:28 PM
Triple ego bypass  ;D

Best comment i've seen in this thread  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 18, 2013, 05:22:09 PM
O no a fighter with a bit of arrogance....u lot must be the loose women panel in disguise.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 18, 2013, 06:32:02 PM
Yep. He's lost two decisions and been beaten by one man in his career. What's your point?

Ok unless my maths is wrong how can you lose 2 decisions and be beaten by 1 man? He's not faced Ward twice ;), Froch fans excuses he's been beaten by 2 men in his career dress it up all you like it's fact.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 18, 2013, 06:47:48 PM
Ok unless my maths is wrong how can you lose 2 decisions and be beaten by 1 man? He's not faced Ward twice ;), Froch fans excuses he's been beaten by 2 men in his career dress it up all you like it's fact.

He's lost twice, we all know that. I find it worrying that all the guys blabbing about the judges for froch v groves had nothing to say about roger tillemans score card for the first froch v Kessler fight though.  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 18, 2013, 07:30:20 PM
He's lost twice, we all know that. I find it worrying that all the guys blabbing about the judges for froch v groves had nothing to say about roger tillemans score card for the first froch v Kessler fight though.  ;)

I can't remember his scorecard but I watched that fight just before the Groves fight and it wasn't close Kessler won the fight by a wider margin than I had it on the night.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 18, 2013, 07:34:51 PM
I can't remember his scorecard but I watched that fight just before the Groves fight and it wasn't close Kessler won the fight by a wider margin than I had it on the night.

Even Kessler has stated it was a close fight. He took it by 2 or 3 but tbh that is irrelevant to the fact that roger tilleman was always going to score the fight to Kessler and the margin in which he did was a disgrace.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 18, 2013, 07:43:51 PM
Even Kessler has stated it was a close fight. He took it by 2 or 3 but tbh that is irrelevant to the fact that roger tilleman was always going to score the fight to Kessler and the margin in which he did was a disgrace.

Wouldn't argue with you about his scoring I think Kessler by 3-4 is about right Carl was second best that night Kessler beat him to the punch and landed a lot cleaner terrific battle but very difficult to make a case for Carl winning the fight.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 18, 2013, 08:02:14 PM
The race starter wouldn't go and rugby tackle Usain Bolt to the ground though, just in case, would he?

Haha spot on that.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 18, 2013, 08:02:58 PM
:D well I consider myself a Froch fan but I agree that he was a good 4-5 points down going into the 9th and that the two judges were wrong...however I see no reasoning to them robbing Groves, Carl has limited time left in his career and minimal fights...hes not a long term investment at this stage.

Like I have said before, Carl was hurt on a couple of occassions and in big trouble in the first (i was shcoked it reached the 3rd after that knock down) but he took a couple of rounds and finally caught up with Groves in the 9th.....The fight was far from a Groves win and Carl was still in it. The decision was bad for both fighters.

The thing is now that both guys have done what they needed to do, groves showed hes no easy push over as many(including me) fort he would be and Froch has retained his titles and can move on with his career(if he chooses to)

What do you think Groves next move would have been if he had taken the titles home?

I think he would have tried to get the winner of the Sakio Bika v Anthony Dirrell fight. If he were to have unified the titles then I think Andre Ward would give groves his shot - for what would have been the undisputed title.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 18, 2013, 08:08:52 PM
I think he would have tried to get the winner of the Sakio Bika v Anthony Dirrell fight. If he were to have unified the titles then I think Andre Ward would give groves his shot - for what would have been the undisputed title.

I think bout those routes are still available to Groves without the rematch....big gamble on his part IMO.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 18, 2013, 08:17:57 PM
I think bout those routes are still available to Groves without the rematch....big gamble on his part IMO.

Agree Groves has great options open to him Ward Stieglitz and Bika are all good oppurtunities for George.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Gavin on December 18, 2013, 08:57:56 PM
O no a fighter with a bit of arrogance....u lot must be the loose women panel in disguise.

Same for George though, can't get why so many people are saying he was disrespectful in the build up, you would think these people hadn't watched boxing before and the silly talk was new to them! Groves was nowhere near as disrespectful as most fighters in most fights. Silly excuse to not like him in my opinion.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 18, 2013, 09:06:49 PM
Same for George though, can't get why so many people are saying he was disrespectful in the build up, you would think these people hadn't watched boxing before and the silly talk was new to them! Groves was nowhere near as disrespectful as most fighters in most fights. Silly excuse to not like him in my opinion.

Yeah makes me laugh when everyone talks about how great the whole benn v Eubank rivalry was yet cry because one fighters doesn't shake the others hand.

For the record I don't like groves because it winds up Jamie  :D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 18, 2013, 09:17:06 PM
Yep. He's lost two decisions and been beaten by one man in his career. What's your point?

So how many men have beaten Lennox Lewis then ?

None or Two ??

What your proposing is the oddest concept I have heard in some time. Though your answer to the question above might provide some clarity.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 18, 2013, 09:23:23 PM
The best thing Eddie could do here is face Carl Vs Degale and then the winner fights Groves


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 18, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
The best thing Eddie could do here is face Carl Vs Degale and then the winner fights Groves

Rather see summet along the lines of Froch v Chavez jr. with Groves v Bika on undercard. Winner fight next.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 18, 2013, 10:58:38 PM
Yeah makes me laugh when everyone talks about how great the whole benn v Eubank rivalry was yet cry because one fighters doesn't shake the others hand.

For the record I don't like groves because it winds up Jamie  :D

The thing is I doubt that a Eubank or benn would have been classless enough to do it against a novice 20 pro fight challenger.

For example eubank got dropped against a novice calzaghe and lost a hard fight. Though he gave calzaghe a lot of praise.

Benn/Eubank were considered to be in the same peer group, their careers were at the same level, same time. If that makes any sense.

Its a class thing. Berating an underdog novice when your sitting at the top isn't normally considered appropriate. It would be like mayweather disrespecting an opponent who was 20-0, in his weight class. It wouldn't make much sense compared to his peer opponent like pacman for example.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 19, 2013, 12:39:09 AM
spot on scarface... 10 years from now froch will be 46 years old, but groves will still be younger than froch is now. kind of puts it into context.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 19, 2013, 01:27:08 AM
I've not watched it back in full yet, but this is the impression I got on the night too. Even the shots from Froch which were being cheered by his fans weren't actually landing, Groves blocked the majority very well. My (pissed) old man was screaming and shouting in the early rounds about how hurt Groves was, how he was wobbled, but this was not the reality, and I said as much at the time.

So basically you just watched rd1 and the last few seconds of the stoppage then  ;D ;D ;D

A massive percentage of the bandwagon lot have only watched those bits too ;)



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 19, 2013, 01:28:42 AM
Found this on twitter......say's it all ;)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2zf7beu.jpg)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Gavin on December 19, 2013, 03:04:26 AM
Found this on twitter......say's it all ;)

([url]http://i39.tinypic.com/2zf7beu.jpg[/url])


Thats probably the refs twitter page! set up 2 months before the fight  ;D >:<


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 19, 2013, 06:55:43 AM
So basically you just watched rd1 and the last few seconds of the stoppage then 

No.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Driscoll on December 19, 2013, 07:07:03 AM
Probably adding 2 and 2 and getting 15 but Dave Coldwell was doing a q&a on twitter last night and someone asked him. Do you think Froch will rematch Groves or if not who will Froch fight. And DC said rematch. He's quite close with Eddie Hearn so maybe he knows a bit if inside info.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Faulks on December 19, 2013, 07:39:32 AM
Jesus groves and Ricky B knocked out next year...

Late Christmas present


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 19, 2013, 08:46:31 AM
Lets all score it round by round.  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 19, 2013, 08:52:21 AM
Agree Groves has great options open to him Ward Stieglitz and Bika are all good oppurtunities for George.

Groves has none of those opportunities.

Show me one grain of evidence , he is remotely close to fighting any of them ?

Degale is fighting PEriban for the WBC mandatory position against Bika.

Stieglitz is fighting Abraham again.

Ward is after a big HBO fight against Froch, and an unknown fighter coming off a loss dont fill that spot should Froch do something different.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 19, 2013, 09:34:23 AM
an unknown fighter coming off a loss

 //


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 19, 2013, 09:39:16 AM
The thing is I doubt that a Eubank or benn would have been classless enough to do it against a novice 20 pro fight challenger.

For example eubank got dropped against a novice calzaghe and lost a hard fight. Though he gave calzaghe a lot of praise.

Benn/Eubank were considered to be in the same peer group, their careers were at the same level, same time. If that makes any sense.

Its a class thing. Berating an underdog novice when your sitting at the top isn't normally considered appropriate. It would be like mayweather disrespecting an opponent who was 20-0, in his weight class. It wouldn't make much sense compared to his peer opponent like pacman for example.

Agree but without trying to sound like a 8 year old kid 'Groves started it'


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 19, 2013, 12:10:27 PM
//

How many American's has he fought ?

Noe Gonzalez = Argentine , Glen Johnson = Jamaican , Fransisco Sierra = Mexican

Putting down a cold Froch and losing by TKO doesn't suddenly grant you lots of opportunities.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 19, 2013, 12:22:19 PM
How many American's has he fought ?

Noe Gonzalez = Argentine , Glen Johnson = Jamaican , Fransisco Sierra = Mexican

Putting down a cold Froch and losing by TKO doesn't suddenly grant you lots of opportunities.
Yeah, my bad. No one is talking about Groves, he's irrelevant.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on December 19, 2013, 12:23:18 PM
American's 

??


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 19, 2013, 12:27:14 PM
if froch mans up and accepts the rematch, would groves be giving him the biggest payday in his whole career?  



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 19, 2013, 12:28:35 PM


Putting down a cold Froch and losing by TKO doesn't suddenly grant you lots of opportunities.

hes got more opportunities ahead of him than froch has to be fair


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 19, 2013, 12:44:11 PM
if froch mans up and accepts the rematch, would groves be giving him the biggest payday in his whole career?  



Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson, Ward, Bute, Mack, Kessler, Groves.

really?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 19, 2013, 12:48:46 PM
Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson, Ward, Bute, Mack, Kessler, Groves.

really?

who would give froch the biggest payday out of that lot?



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 19, 2013, 12:59:36 PM
I think the Groves rematch would be his biggest payday but a win over someone like Golovkin in Vegas could perhaps set up a bigger pay day.

My previous comment was in reply to you saying 'If Froch mans up' .


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: ScottMillwall on December 19, 2013, 01:03:46 PM
hes got more opportunities ahead of him than froch has to be fair

He hasn't. HBO aren't trying to temp Groves into a fight with Stevenson, Golovkin or JCC Jr. Whilst I'm a fan of Groves, he doesn't have as many lucrative options as Froch.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 19, 2013, 01:10:25 PM
He hasn't. HBO aren't trying to temp Groves into a fight with Stevenson, Golovkin or JCC Jr. Whilst I'm a fan of Groves, he doesn't have as many lucrative options as Froch.

but froch doesnt have any options as lucrative as groves  ;)

and from what red was saying earlier, froch is due to go in for an operation and wont be fit untill summer next year.... thats if his body heals as expected, but at 36 its going to take its toll no matter what the operation is. which we can only speculate on because he wont confirm the injury


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: ScottMillwall on December 19, 2013, 01:17:59 PM
but froch doesnt have any options as lucrative as groves  ;)


I agree with that.

It's not as though Froch will be left without any options if he were to pass on the rematch, though.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Kevan2 on December 19, 2013, 01:38:50 PM
I agree with that.

It's not as though Froch will be left without any options if he were to pass on the rematch, though.

  Theres go to vegas fight Chavez, Carl will have to K.O. him Twice to win on points,.... Ward rematch...Gaurantee'd loss or Groves and do the job right, if he can.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 19, 2013, 01:42:55 PM
I think without doubt the most lucrative $ fight for Froch next would be Groves, just for the drooling legion of halfwits who would want to be part of it.  Hearn has made it clear that he favours that option, and who can blame him, it'll make the most money.  I just wonder if I were Froch, what would be my choice and why?  Go all out for the dosh at his stage of a career (which has its attractions obviously), but it means fighting the guy you just beat (however controversial some fans see it)?  Or move on and snub the guy you never did like anyway, and add something to the legacy?  I certainly don't think Froch has that many fights left in him and so I do think he will take his time, and choose carefully.  Which he's entitled to do.  As a loyal fan, I doubt that I would make the pilgrimage to Vegas, or elsewhere in the USA, if I'm honest.  But that maybe results from a wasted weekend in Atlantic City when he was supposed to be fighting but it got called off.  One thing I do know, Carl will hardly be influenced by a bunch of window-licking miscreants baying for blood, when making his choice!   ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 19, 2013, 02:42:31 PM
If Carl does fight groves and wins well than it will just be another odds defining on an already world class record. Carl Froch dvd boxset will be un matched by almost any uk boxer ever.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 19, 2013, 02:55:47 PM
I agree with that.

It's not as though Froch will be left without any options if he were to pass on the rematch, though.

depends what happens with this operation that red was on about... if its anything to do with his lower back problem that he picked up in the dancing competion  // and it now requires surgery, then it could be serious


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 19, 2013, 02:58:26 PM
I think without doubt the most lucrative $ fight for Froch next would be Groves, just for the drooling legion of halfwits who would want to be part of it.  Hearn has made it clear that he favours that option, and who can blame him, it'll make the most money.  I just wonder if I were Froch, what would be my choice and why?  Go all out for the dosh at his stage of a career (which has its attractions obviously), but it means fighting the guy you just beat (however controversial some fans see it)?  Or move on and snub the guy you never did like anyway, and add something to the legacy?  I certainly don't think Froch has that many fights left in him and so I do think he will take his time, and choose carefully.  Which he's entitled to do.  As a loyal fan, I doubt that I would make the pilgrimage to Vegas, or elsewhere in the USA, if I'm honest.  But that maybe results from a wasted weekend in Atlantic City when he was supposed to be fighting but it got called off.  One thing I do know, Carl will hardly be influenced by a bunch of window-licking miscreants baying for blood, when making his choice!   ;D

I love people trying to justify the decision as anything else other than Carl not wanting to fight Groves again.
I will repeat, I do not blame Froch at all for that. Lennox Lewis did the same thing, got out of jail and knew enough was enough. But people making out as though Carl is not fighting Groves because of extending his fuckin legacy and other mythical bollox is just bull shit. Carl wont give the rematch because he's not an idiot, he knows he got lucky with the stoppage he doesnt need to or want to go through that night again.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 19, 2013, 02:59:30 PM
If Carl does fight groves and wins well than it will just be another odds defining on an already world class record. Carl Froch dvd boxset will be un matched by almost any uk boxer ever.

It would be an unbelievable achievement if he did that.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 19, 2013, 03:16:40 PM
If Carl does fight groves and wins well than it will just be another odds defining on an already world class record. Carl Froch dvd boxset will be un matched by almost any uk boxer ever.

What, beating a 6 round fighter who he previously stopped and who's not in Frochs league? What's so special about that?  >:<

Your lots words, not mine...


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 19, 2013, 04:17:49 PM
What, beating a 6 round fighter who he previously stopped and who's not in Frochs league? What's so special about that?  >:<

Your lots words, not mine...

Beating a guy who first battered Degale than smashed Froch up for 8 rounds and after two punches in the 9th was robbed by a ref who was paid thousands to do so while the judges also received thousands to rig the score cards....the undefeated true champion and king of gingers.  >:< theres many people on here that talk boloks and they aint all Froch fans.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: HurricaneHig on December 19, 2013, 04:28:13 PM
Beating a guy who first battered Degale than smashed Froch up for 8 rounds and after two punches in the 9th was robbed by a ref who was paid thousands to do so while the judges also received thousands to rig the score cards....the undefeated true champion and king of gingers.  >:< theres many people on here that talk boloks and they aint all Froch fans.
It was a split decision that a lot of people thought he lost, what fight did you watch him batter him.

Talking boloks as you spell it, is being spouted by yourself mate


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Hurricane on December 19, 2013, 04:44:53 PM
It was a split decision that a lot of people thought he lost, what fight did you watch him batter him.

Talking boloks as you spell it, is being spouted by yourself mate

Oh dear, another case of DeGale fan brain fail there.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 19, 2013, 04:49:29 PM
It was a split decision that a lot of people thought he lost, what fight did you watch him batter him.

Talking boloks as you spell it, is being spouted by yourself mate

HAHAHA, holy F*ck I hate stupid people. That was my impression of a Groves fan but clearly you have yet to click onto that. Backing up you're already flawed comment with a spelling correction aswell  ;D Jog on dingbat.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: HurricaneHig on December 19, 2013, 04:50:19 PM
Oh dear, another case of DeGale fan brain fail there.
:-*


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: HurricaneHig on December 19, 2013, 04:51:06 PM
HAHAHA, holy F*ck I hate stupid people. That was my impression of a Groves fan but clearly you have yet to click onto that. Backing up you're already flawed comment with a spelling correction aswell  ;D Jog on dingbat.
:-* here's one for you 2 big boy


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 19, 2013, 05:52:20 PM
This thread brings out the best in people.


 :slapper:


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Kevan2 on December 19, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
This thread brings out the best in people.


 :slapper:
  i was just thinking along similar lines.... its all becoming very much like a playground.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 19, 2013, 06:56:45 PM
Shut up, he started it  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 19, 2013, 07:12:30 PM
Can't we all just shake hands and make up  :)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: HurricaneHig on December 19, 2013, 07:29:17 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 19, 2013, 07:47:45 PM
Can't we all just shake hands and make up  :)

Im going to physically shoot you.  8)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 19, 2013, 08:20:16 PM
Aside from all the bickering I thought this was top stuff from Carl.



MY SPECIAL DAY WITH CARL FROCH


The second My Special Day of the 2013 series saw 17-year-old boxer Tyler White spend an unforgettable couple of days with a certain Mr Carl Froch.

Here, Tyler, who also has his own blogspot www.twhite95.blogspot.co.uk (http://www.twhite95.blogspot.co.uk) looks back on how a simple tour around Sky Studios ended up as an experience of a lifetime.

I arrived at Sky Studios to be told by my coach, Andre, that Ryan - my best friend and fellow boxer - and I were going on a tour around the complex.

I thought that was awesome - and it got even more awesome when I realised Carl Froch and George Groves were filming 'Ringside' - but I wasn't expecting what happened next...

Part way through the tour, I was told to go into a room. I looked through the window and saw cameras, so I turned around and said "but they're filming..." It didn't matter, I was told - go on in.

I opened the door and there he was: the WBO and IBF World Champion - Carl 'The Cobra' Froch!

I thought I was dreaming - and then Carl said to me "You must be Tyler. I think you've been set up!"

He knew all about me and my story - he told me I was going to be watching the filming of Ringside and that I would be ringside for The Cobra's world title defence. Suddenly an awful year looked to have a bright ending.

Carl said I was a focused young man. It really meant a lot to me - for a hero of mine to say this about me was amazing. To know Carl had heard about my story is great for my confidence. What he said to me I will keep with me forever.

But what is my story? Why did I get this amazing experience? Well, five years ago I lost my dad to Hodgkins Lymphoma - a cancer of the white blood cells. After my dad's death I started boxing, it was really a release of anger, but also to make him proud.

After a successful start (4-0-0) I was told that I too, had Hodgkins Lymphoma - in February of 2013. I began four months of intensive chemotherapy and then a further two months of radiotherapy - it was a real, tough time. Thankfully, I came through and I'm now in remission - I found out just before the Froch v Groves fight - but my dream of becoming a world champion was the one thing I never lost sight of.

A few weeks later I travelled up to Manchester for the weigh-in just and the atmosphere was incredible, afterwards I had a quick chat and a few photos - Carl said that he'd heard about my good news about being in remission.

Saturday was fight night! As I walked into the arena, I was astonished by the size of the venue. Everywhere I looked there were sporting heroes - I met Amir Khan, David Haye, Ricky Hatton and Ricky Burns - amazing.

Before Carl's title defence, I visited him in the changing rooms, wishing him luck - I really didn't expect him to see me right before his contest.

The fight was incredible - a credit to British boxing - and my heart felt as though it was beating out of my chest.

After the contest, I went backstage to see Carl. Again, I didn't expect to see him after such a tough fight but he allowed me into his changing room, where he gave all those present a short speech about me - saying how brave I had been, that I was a fighter and an inspiration. Wow!

Carl let me hold onto his WBO belt and I thanked him for everything. Carl proved what a humble champion he really is. He made a fan's dream come true - he's a fantastic example of a people's champion. Thanks a lot Carl!!!

In the future, I hope to keep competing in boxing and eventually turn professional. From there I aim to win as many titles as I can but the big one I want is a world title.

After my battle against cancer and after meeting so many boxing legends, it's made me even hungrier and more determined to never give up and keep on chasing down my dreams.

As I said when diagnosed: "My dreams will become reality - cancer can't stop me!"



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 19, 2013, 09:48:30 PM
I love people trying to justify the decision as anything else other than Carl not wanting to fight Groves again.
I will repeat, I do not blame Froch at all for that. Lennox Lewis did the same thing, got out of jail and knew enough was enough. But people making out as though Carl is not fighting Groves because of extending his fuckin legacy and other mythical bollox is just bull shit. Carl wont give the rematch because he's not an idiot, he knows he got lucky with the stoppage he doesnt need to or want to go through that night again.

What decision?  He hasn't announced a decision?  And when he does, it won't require any justification from the likes of ourselves.  If he just doesn't fancy fighting Groves again, fair enough.  Froch fans will accept that and Groves fans will whinge into their old age.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 19, 2013, 09:54:58 PM
Can't we all just shake hands and make up  :)


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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 19, 2013, 09:55:25 PM
What decision?  He hasn't announced a decision?  And when he does, it won't require any justification from the likes of ourselves.  If he just doesn't fancy fighting Groves again, fair enough.  Froch fans will accept that and Groves fans will whinge into their old age.

Well I know this thread has gone on and on but if you look at the title of the thread it could give you a clue to why Carl's decision ( or lack of one as of yet ) to rematch George is being questioned.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 19, 2013, 10:14:37 PM
What decision?  He hasn't announced a decision?  And when he does, it won't require any justification from the likes of ourselves.  If he just doesn't fancy fighting Groves again, fair enough.  Froch fans will accept that and Groves fans will whinge into their old age.

The decision that every one expects and he has alluded to in the title of this thread.
I wouldn't blame him as I have said, I will accept it for what it is... A sensible decision.

As I said before, if you get out of jail you don't try to climb back in.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 26, 2013, 10:01:56 AM
Sounds like Carl wants none of George, back to bleating on about respect.

It's a shame Carl with all he has done may end his career having refused one of the biggest rematches in British boxing history.

Groves does not need Carl, its a shame though he won't have belts that are rightfully his  ;)

Happy boxing day. X


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 26, 2013, 10:03:42 AM
Quack Quack Quack.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 26, 2013, 10:15:54 AM
Article Link - http://www.boxingscene.com/vera-beltran-screwed-win-here-robbery-year--73084#ixzz2oZgbTHZE (http://www.boxingscene.com/vera-beltran-screwed-win-here-robbery-year--73084#ixzz2oZgbTHZE)
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Robbery's off the year: Runner Up to Beltran - Burns / Chavez - Vera

11/23/2013 – Carl Froch TKO9 George Groves:   Before the judges could screw this one up, referee Howard John Foster bailed them out and ruined what might have ended up the Fight of the Year.  The IBF/WBA Super Middleweight titlist Froch got off the floor in the first round and slowly grinded his way back into the fight after the younger, quicker Groves appeared to build a strong lead.  The tide started to turn and by the ninth Froch had Groves rocked.

That’s all.

Rocked.

In a fight no one but Foster would have thought complete, he jumped in for one of the worst stoppages since Michael Dokes-Mike Weaver I.  Would Froch have finished the dramatic comeback?  Would the younger man have found a second win and finished the upset?  We’ll never know because Foster screwed both the fighters, and the fans, out of a genuine finish.  The judges had it close enough to wonder what the hell they were watching too before the stoppage.  It was an all-around fleecing of Groves who earned better in the previous eight rounds.              

Cliff Rold is the Managing Editor of BoxingScene, a founding member of the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board, and a member the Yahoo Pound for Pound voting panel, and the Boxing Writers Association of America.  He can be reached at roldboxing@hotmail.com

Guess we will never find out who would have won.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 26, 2013, 10:29:18 AM
 :cobra:



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 26, 2013, 10:41:22 AM
Froch's so called 'Legacy' Tarnished!

'I beat him fair and square. The referee stopped the contest and there is no argueing about the fact he was down and out.''

Yeah right!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 26, 2013, 11:07:04 AM
its embarrassing for froch now, cringe worthy, he's turning into a david brent type character totally oblivious to how much of a bell end he looks


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 26, 2013, 11:08:32 AM
And the endless cry-baby bleating goes on. Happy Christmas (TKO9)  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 26, 2013, 11:46:36 AM
its embarrassing for froch now, cringe worthy, he's turning into a david brent type character totally oblivious to how much of a bell end he looks


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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tito on December 26, 2013, 12:28:41 PM
Froch needs to remember his purses are paid from PPV there is no way he, Hearn or Sky can get away with another PPV show against some two bob fraud like Chavez next time out. Hearn knows a rematch is the biggest fight out there from a financial sense and also the fight the fans want to see.
No one including Hearn wants to see Froch fight Chavez or Ward again because Ward would school him and the warrior that is Froch is likely to duck another guy who as called him out for a while Adonis Stevenson. Hearn is a business man once he tells Froch there is little money in his other options he will soon grant Groves a rematch. Hearn won't lose money on a PPV that will flop if they try to justify not going with Groves. Froch is no big draw like Hatton was and could get away with mugging the fans against a nobody and Hearn won't pay him a big purse on a gamble.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 26, 2013, 12:41:08 PM
Froch is no big draw like Hatton was and could get away with mugging the fans against a nobody and Hearn won't pay him a big purse on a gamble.



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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Laney on December 26, 2013, 01:09:22 PM
There looks like there could be a case for saying Carl is trying to dodge the rematch, even though it make the most sense financially. He could however just be posturing to get a bigger share of the purse. Georges constant whining is getting pretty annoying though, the fight was a month ago, it appears negotiations are going on behind the scenesm shut your cakehole or he may blow the fight. Carl seems a fairly stubborn character who would forsee the financial benefits of the rematch to spite Groves.

There can be no case whatsoever for saying he is avoiding Stevenson. When he was mandatory, the IBF allowed his to have a unifcation as per their rules. At that point in time, the Kessler rematch made most sense from a legacy and financial perspective as opposed to facing someone who has been stopped by Darnell Boone. Stevenson then jumped up a weight and looked superb beating Dawson and Cloud, but he is now in a different weight division. Carl has never had any major ambitions to jump up to 175 and just because someone who was his mandatory at 168 is calling him out all the time, doesnt mean he is dodging him.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 26, 2013, 01:18:41 PM
Has this been bumped for the sake of trolling or is there an article/interview thats yet to be mentioned?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 26, 2013, 01:49:53 PM
There looks like there could be a case for saying Carl is trying to dodge the rematch, even though it make the most sense financially. He could however just be posturing to get a bigger share of the purse. Georges constant whining is getting pretty annoying though, the fight was a month ago, it appears negotiations are going on behind the scenesm shut your cakehole or he may blow the fight. Carl seems a fairly stubborn character who would forsee the financial benefits of the rematch to spite Groves.

There can be no case whatsoever for saying he is avoiding Stevenson. When he was mandatory, the IBF allowed his to have a unifcation as per their rules. At that point in time, the Kessler rematch made most sense from a legacy and financial perspective as opposed to facing someone who has been stopped by Darnell Boone. Stevenson then jumped up a weight and looked superb beating Dawson and Cloud, but he is now in a different weight division. Carl has never had any major ambitions to jump up to 175 and just because someone who was his mandatory at 168 is calling him out all the time, doesnt mean he is dodging him.

Exactly, nobody gave a xmas fig about Adonis back then, whom had been KTFO by Darnell Boone and laboured over Don George.

And the irony is that Adonis calls out Froch, a division below and was looking beatable in his fight with Groves whilst not breathing a word about Sergey Kovalev who was actually on the undercard of his Bellew fight, and sitting 20 ft away from the ring.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 26, 2013, 01:57:17 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/9088234/george-groves-hopes-of-a-rematch-with-carl-froch-set-to-be-dashed (http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/9088234/george-groves-hopes-of-a-rematch-with-carl-froch-set-to-be-dashed)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 26, 2013, 04:11:04 PM
Carl doesn't want the fight than, we have already herd all the criticism of Carl so lets move on to who Carl and groves will face instead.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 26, 2013, 04:28:03 PM
Carl doesn't want the fight than, we have already herd all the criticism of Carl so lets move on to who Carl and groves will face instead.

George can target Stieglitz or some other world class fighter if he can't get a title shot but I'm not sure where Froch goes from here, Chavez jr won't sell on PPV Froch-Ward is already a foregone conclusion.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Laney on December 26, 2013, 04:41:02 PM
Froch vs Chavez doesnt sell over here but I believe Chavez Jr fights on PPV in the states and is a big draw, so there would be a few quid in that fight but obviously not as much as Groves.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Buckers on December 26, 2013, 04:43:42 PM
George can target Stieglitz or some other world class fighter if he can't get a title shot but I'm not sure where Froch goes from here, Chavez jr won't sell on PPV Froch-Ward is already a foregone conclusion.

Not very often I agree with your posts Jorg but your spot on here. Neither Chavez or Ward sell well on PPV especially as the fight with either will be in the states (probably Vegas) at 4 or 5 in the morning. Who's gonna folk out £10+ for that against a bloke who beat him convincingly (Not as one sided as some make out though) or Chavez Jnr who the common bloke has never heard of.

Up to Froch at the end of the day just think its not gonna be as big a pay day in Vegas as some people make out.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 26, 2013, 04:48:16 PM
Froch vs Chavez doesnt sell over here but I believe Chavez Jr fights on PPV in the states and is a big draw, so there would be a few quid in that fight but obviously not as much as Groves.

Would Eddie/Sky be happy to just stick that 1 on at 4am on sky sports though? All Eddie has been talking about recently is the rematch so we know what he wants.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 26, 2013, 04:54:56 PM
Just seen it again on sky still don't agree with the stoppage but George didn't do the right things either he was sitting on the ropes trying to throw back instead of spinning off or holding on.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 26, 2013, 05:13:56 PM
George can target Stieglitz or some other world class fighter if he can't get a title shot but I'm not sure where Froch goes from here, Chavez jr won't sell on PPV Froch-Ward is already a foregone conclusion.

Agree, I wonder if Carl is starting to doubt himself....perhaps looking for an easier option before jumping back in with the big boys. I would like to see Froch v Bika just cos it'll be a tear up and also a chance to see if froch has hit the wall. Groves v Degale II would keep Groves well and truly in the spotlight or maybe Stieglitz like you say.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 26, 2013, 08:28:15 PM
Agree, I wonder if Carl is starting to doubt himself....perhaps looking for an easier option before jumping back in with the big boys. I would like to see Froch v Bika just cos it'll be a tear up and also a chance to see if froch has hit the wall. Groves v Degale II would keep Groves well and truly in the spotlight or maybe Stieglitz like you say.

Thing is when GG boxed Carl, it was a win win as long as he did himself proud in performing against the odds (which he did).

Now he has to really cement on what he has done in either a rematch or getting a shot with another champ and winning.

I would love to see Stieglitz v Groves.. that is a winnable title.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 26, 2013, 08:48:55 PM
The only other fight that interests me really is Ward.  Ok, I don't think Froch can do it either, but I'd be real interested to see him at least try.  I know he's saying "Why should I give this whingeing kid a rematch", but of course, he still might.  Whatever he decides to do, he might as well build the hype now, in case he decides the rematch is the best option.   ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 26, 2013, 09:05:39 PM
Least someone is up for the challenge of Groves eh!


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Andre Ward (27-0, 14 KOs) returned from a 14-month layoff to easily defeat Edwin Rodriguez in November.

Rodriguez didn't present much of a challenge, but Ward is looking at a tougher opponent for his next bout.

"I would consider fighting George Groves next," Ward, 29, Tweeted from his verified account Thursday. "He showed a lot his last fight. He's a good fighter and deserves a shot."

Groves, 25, lost via controversial stoppage to Carl Froch in November. Groves (19-1, 15 KOs) has beat the drums for a rematch with his fellow Brit, but perhaps he will turn his attention to the lineal super middleweight champion.

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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 26, 2013, 09:32:21 PM
Least someone is up for the challenge of Groves eh!


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Andre Ward (27-0, 14 KOs) returned from a 14-month layoff to easily defeat Edwin Rodriguez in November.

Rodriguez didn't present much of a challenge, but Ward is looking at a tougher opponent for his next bout.

"I would consider fighting George Groves next," Ward, 29, Tweeted from his verified account Thursday. "He showed a lot his last fight. He's a good fighter and deserves a shot."

Groves, 25, lost via controversial stoppage to Carl Froch in November. Groves (19-1, 15 KOs) has beat the drums for a rematch with his fellow Brit, but perhaps he will turn his attention to the lineal super middleweight champion.

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interesting case of events ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: styledoctor on December 26, 2013, 10:15:53 PM
Least someone is up for the challenge of Groves eh!


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Andre Ward (27-0, 14 KOs) returned from a 14-month layoff to easily defeat Edwin Rodriguez in November.

Rodriguez didn't present much of a challenge, but Ward is looking at a tougher opponent for his next bout.

"I would consider fighting George Groves next," Ward, 29, Tweeted from his verified account Thursday. "He showed a lot his last fight. He's a good fighter and deserves a shot."

Groves, 25, lost via controversial stoppage to Carl Froch in November. Groves (19-1, 15 KOs) has beat the drums for a rematch with his fellow Brit, but perhaps he will turn his attention to the lineal super middleweight champion.

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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 26, 2013, 10:18:02 PM
Least someone is up for the challenge of Groves eh!


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By Mike Coppinger

Andre Ward (27-0, 14 KOs) returned from a 14-month layoff to easily defeat Edwin Rodriguez in November.

Rodriguez didn't present much of a challenge, but Ward is looking at a tougher opponent for his next bout.

"I would consider fighting George Groves next," Ward, 29, Tweeted from his verified account Thursday. "He showed a lot his last fight. He's a good fighter and deserves a shot."

Groves, 25, lost via controversial stoppage to Carl Froch in November. Groves (19-1, 15 KOs) has beat the drums for a rematch with his fellow Brit, but perhaps he will turn his attention to the lineal super middleweight champion.

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Does Ward have many other options? and would Groves take this?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 26, 2013, 10:23:49 PM
Does Ward have many other options? and would Groves take this?

I would think gg would prefer to go in there with a belt himself also in a fight v ward. I think we may see this fight by the end of 2014 though.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tito on December 26, 2013, 11:20:57 PM
Exactly, nobody gave a xmas fig about Adonis back then, whom had been KTFO by Darnell Boone and laboured over Don George.

And the irony is that Adonis calls out Froch, a division below and was looking beatable in his fight with Groves whilst not breathing a word about Sergey Kovalev who was actually on the undercard of his Bellew fight, and sitting 20 ft away from the ring.

Stevenson as said he will fight down at 168 to face Froch its a option Froch should consider if he is to by pass the Groves fight. Who is Froch going to face and make the fight a PPV success.....Chavez is a nobody, Ward would want at least 50% and then there is Stevenson who Froch is unlikely to face.
He should just fight Groves and settle the thing once and for all.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 26, 2013, 11:42:45 PM
Stevenson as said he will fight down at 168 to face Froch its a option Froch should consider if he is to by pass the Groves fight. Who is Froch going to face and make the fight a PPV success.....Chavez is a nobody, Ward would want at least 50% and then there is Stevenson who Froch is unlikely to face.
He should just fight Groves and settle the thing once and for all.

Stevenson is a big boy, I doubt he'd come back to 168 especially with so many options at 175 for him.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 26, 2013, 11:53:02 PM
The Stevenson fight would make sense following his beating of bellew. Can't see it being hard to sell.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tito on December 27, 2013, 12:13:37 AM
Stevenson is a big boy, I doubt he'd come back to 168 especially with so many options at 175 for him.

He only moved up to 175 because the IBF allowed Froch to have a unification. His team stumped up the money for Dawson in his hometown and he did a job on him and as said on record he wants Froch. I think he would be happy to face him at SMW he is less than 6ft tall and as always made weight and as no problem doing it. He as Kovalev, Hopkins and Pascal left and none of them will bring in the same money as Froch or Ward.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 27, 2013, 08:44:29 AM
Does Ward have many other options? and would Groves take this?
I think he had the balls to step in and shock Froch with his boxing ability. I personally think he would easily go for the champ in Oakland. Would have a better chance than Froch IMO.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: KnuckleSandwich on December 27, 2013, 10:27:26 AM

Ward would make Groves look stupid - end of.

Groves should give his head a shake and push for a winnable fight with Bika or Stieglitz. If he rematches Froch and loses again where does he go?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 27, 2013, 10:35:09 AM
Ward would make Groves look stupid - end of.

Groves should give his head a shake and push for a winnable fight with Bika or Stieglitz. If he rematches Froch and loses again where does he go?

How about a bit of credit for not wanting the easy route to the belt.

I'd like to bet George and his team will be thinking about when he wins not if he gets beat then what.

George is calling out the guys above him while Carl appears to be looking at guys below his level.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Buckers on December 27, 2013, 10:57:02 AM
How about a bit of credit for not wanting the easy route to the belt.

I'd like to bet George and his team will be thinking about when he wins not if he gets beat then what.

George is calling out the guys above him while Carl appears to be looking at guys below his level.

It's Froch that keeps calling out Ward. Hardly below his level is he.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 27, 2013, 11:03:36 AM
He only moved up to 175 because the IBF allowed Froch to have a unification. His team stumped up the money for Dawson in his hometown and he did a job on him and as said on record he wants Froch. I think he would be happy to face him at SMW he is less than 6ft tall and as always made weight and as no problem doing it. He as Kovalev, Hopkins and Pascal left and none of them will bring in the same money as Froch or Ward.

If he can make 168 than its a fight I would like to see. I just cant see him moving back down when he seems very comfortable at 175.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 27, 2013, 11:04:01 AM
It's Froch that keeps calling out Ward. Hardly below his level is he.

To be honest I am not too convinced he wants that fight but if he takes it then fair play.

All the rumours so far seem to be hinting at Chavez Jnr though who I would hope and expect Carl to beat easily.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 27, 2013, 11:11:36 AM
What a turn of events it would be if Groves got a shot at Ward .....And some how won  ;D



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 27, 2013, 11:13:50 AM
I think he had the balls to step in and shock Froch with his boxing ability. I personally think he would easily go for the champ in Oakland. Would have a better chance than Froch IMO.

I dont think Froch wants Ward yet tbh....im still of the opinion that he will be looking for an easier option like Bika or Chavez jr so he can hit Vegas and see just how much he really has left to give.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 27, 2013, 11:14:37 AM
What a turn of events it would be if Groves got a shot at Ward .....And some how won  ;D



Be good for Froch seeing Ward lose to the guy he just beat  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 27, 2013, 11:22:37 AM
Be good for Froch seeing Ward lose to the guy he just beat  ;)

Depends how you look at it, how would Carl feel seeing George beat Ward.... Would it kill his desire or worth of fighting Ward again.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tito on December 27, 2013, 11:34:49 AM
If he can make 168 than its a fight I would like to see. I just cant see him moving back down when he seems very comfortable at 175.

He as said he will go to 168 he must know Froch won't go to 175. Froch doesn't have many options that will give him the kind of paydays he as got for his last 2 fights. No way will HBO and Arum break the bank for a Froch fight for Chavez its not a fight they can justify for a $70 PPV.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 27, 2013, 11:36:40 AM
Depends how you look at it, how would Carl feel seeing George beat Ward.... Would it kill his desire or worth of fighting Ward again.


I don't imagine Carl being upset with what George says in terms of any rematch talk if George did beat ward.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 27, 2013, 11:42:58 AM
He as said he will go to 168 he must know Froch won't go to 175. Froch doesn't have many options that will give him the kind of paydays he as got for his last 2 fights. No way will HBO and Arum break the bank for a Froch fight for Chavez its not a fight they can justify for a $70 PPV.

Agreed Carl would make more setting up fights with Degale and a Groves rematch imo Ward will stop him if they meet again, Chavez a pointless fight he'll get no credit for if he can't get the fight he wants then he'd be better off out of it how much that beating Groves gave him has taken out of him is anyones guess but its likely the sorest nights work he's ever had not just to his body but also to his reputation and ego.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 27, 2013, 11:49:42 AM
The notion of Groves -v- Ward being a possibility brings a whole new dimension for Carl's thought processes.  BUT what if it did happen and Groves lost again, which is pretty likely?  He's then been rushed along too quickly and becomes pretty much a wasted potential, with a fairly long road to rebuilding his career.  I doubt he would relish that prospect and so I don't think he would risk a Ward encounter at this stage.  Further down the line, with Ward a bit beyond his peak, maybe, but not right now


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 27, 2013, 12:08:51 PM
The notion of Groves -v- Ward being a possibility brings a whole new dimension for Carl's thought processes.  BUT what if it did happen and Groves lost again, which is pretty likely?  He's then been rushed along too quickly and becomes pretty much a wasted potential, with a fairly long road to rebuilding his career.  I doubt he would relish that prospect and so I don't think he would risk a Ward encounter at this stage.  Further down the line, with Ward a bit beyond his peak, maybe, but not right now

The same thought process has to apply to Carl who'd likely lose to Ward again which would only leave retirement? Both Groves and Froch should take fights in the meantime and with Degale likely to pick up a title very shortly its leaves interesting fights for all three at home which as proven with the Froch Groves fight generates decent money for all involved.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Cobra on December 27, 2013, 12:37:19 PM
Ward won't fight George next ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 27, 2013, 12:56:12 PM
Ward won't fight George next ;)

Not more nudges and winks?
Injuries  ;)
Issues  ;)
We know something you don't  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Cobra on December 27, 2013, 01:16:02 PM
Not more nudges and winks?
Injuries  ;)
Issues  ;)
We know something you don't  ;)

Hahaha yes true , I do know what you lot don't ;)
All good fun  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 27, 2013, 01:18:37 PM
Agreed Carl would make more setting up fights with Degale and a Groves rematch imo Ward will stop him if they meet again, Chavez a pointless fight he'll get no credit for if he can't get the fight he wants then he'd be better off out of it how much that beating Groves gave him has taken out of him is anyones guess but its likely the sorest nights work he's ever had not just to his body but also to his reputation and ego.

nothing to suggest that, Ward will take a win and probably bore the fight to death if it favours him rather than attempt to stop the unstoppable.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 27, 2013, 01:48:26 PM
nothing to suggest that, Ward will take a win and probably bore the fight to death if it favours him rather than attempt to stop the unstoppable.

Bollocks and fine you know it the unstoppable tag is well and truly gone matter of time  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 27, 2013, 03:01:40 PM
Bollocks and fine you know it the unstoppable tag is well and truly gone matter of time  ;)

Clev vs Froch = Dexter's predicition "Clev by late stoppage"

nuff said  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tito on December 27, 2013, 03:15:11 PM
Hahaha yes true , I do know what you lot don't ;)
All good fun  ;D

You know like we know your boy as lost his bottle  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 27, 2013, 03:26:23 PM
Bollocks and fine you know it the unstoppable tag is well and truly gone matter of time  ;)

Its a terrible prediction and one that you would never lump on. Groves hits hard, he had Carl down, hurt, legs gone and still he couldnt get the job done....so what makes you think that Ward will stop Carl?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 27, 2013, 03:48:50 PM
Its a terrible prediction and one that you would never lump on. Groves hits hard, he had Carl down, hurt, legs gone and still he couldnt get the job done....so what makes you think that Ward will stop Carl?

Cause he'd have done it the last time if he hadn't hurt his hands


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 27, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
Clev vs Froch = Dexter's predicition "Clev by late stoppage"

nuff said  ;D

He certainly couldn't miss Carl could he  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 27, 2013, 04:26:44 PM
Cause he'd have done it the last time if he hadn't hurt his hands


O yh, his hand that was so damaged he didnt even realise until after the fight...the same hands that were fine v Green, Bika, Abraham, and Rodriguez. Like I said you wont lump on and you know it.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 27, 2013, 05:57:09 PM
O yh, his hand that was so damaged he didnt even realise until after the fight...the same hands that were fine v Green, Bika, Abraham, and Rodriguez. Like I said you wont lump on and you know it.

I don't gamble but if I did I'd back him to stop Froch like it or not Ward, Stevenson and Groves are all now difficult fights for Carl and deep down you know it.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 27, 2013, 06:19:52 PM
I don't gamble but if I did I'd back him to stop Froch like it or not Ward, Stevenson and Groves are all now difficult fights for Carl and deep down you know it.

Ward will NEVER stop Froch. The End.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on December 27, 2013, 06:29:32 PM
Ward will NEVER stop Froch. The End.

I agree. Ward will just outbox, outpoint and basically send him back to school to learn the elementary stuff before playing with the skill technicians of the sport. Its a whole new dizzy height up there.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 27, 2013, 07:22:48 PM
I agree. Ward will just outbox, outpoint and basically send him back to school to learn the elementary stuff before playing with the skill technicians of the sport. Its a whole new dizzy height up there.

That's why he'd be better off staying away from Ward. Stevenson at a catchweight would be a big fight Degale when he has a title would be a domestic fight.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 27, 2013, 08:08:19 PM
I agree. Ward will just outbox, outpoint and basically send him back to school to learn the elementary stuff before playing with the skill technicians of the sport. Its a whole new dizzy height up there.

Ward is the only guy at that dizzy height. The division is now a case of whose the best of the rest and as it stands Froch has it. Stevenson can ask for the fight and say he would go back to 168 but id be very surprised if he actually means it...Stevenson will not fight at 168 again imo.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Blue on December 27, 2013, 08:36:46 PM
I still can't get over the froch red tinted glasses comments here lol... Nearly 40 pages now. Lets face it Froch vs Ward or Froch vs Groves.. It all ends the same way... Game over for the Froch. TKO9 is all i here on this forum, look around the other major players forums and it's completly a diff animal. Seriously he needs to stay away from boxers as he will get exposed yet again.

If i was Froch i would take groves based on public opinion, just to save his superstar status. However i know carl is a little too worried about groves now. Ward will take him with two hands, with no chance of it being in uk. Kessler rubber match, cash out and retire would be probable preference rather than getting outclassed by GGG (wouldn't happen anyway) or chavez, tbh who would want to see that apart from jim lampley, with max and red naked in a hbo dark room.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 27, 2013, 10:17:09 PM
I still can't get over the froch red tinted glasses comments here lol... Nearly 40 pages now. Lets face it Froch vs Ward or Froch vs Groves.. It all ends the same way... Game over for the Froch. TKO9 is all i here on this forum, look around the other major players forums and it's completly a diff animal. Seriously he needs to stay away from boxers as he will get exposed yet again.

If i was Froch i would take groves based on public opinion, just to save his superstar status. However i know carl is a little too worried about groves now. Ward will take him with two hands, with no chance of it being in uk. Kessler rubber match, cash out and retire would be probable preference rather than getting outclassed by GGG (wouldn't happen anyway) or chavez, tbh who would want to see that apart from jim lampley, with max and red naked in a hbo dark room.

TKO 9 usually comes out on here in response to the endless pathetic whingeing by Groves fans about the outcome of the first fight.  It was an early stoppage and a genuine mistake by an otherwise honourable ref.  Groves did remarkably well, but when he had Froch at his mercy in the 1st round, he failed to cash in.  And the result says TKO 9, have a look.   ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 27, 2013, 10:23:56 PM
I really hate when people can not debate without insults and personal references to other posters.
It's all opinion ffs, and let's remember the person who puts all this together is a Froch fan and friend from the start. I'm not huge fan of Carl, but respect him hugely. Regardless of that everyone should respect the forum you are posting on... Or fcuk off and post on another one.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 27, 2013, 10:39:59 PM
I really hate when people can not debate without insults and personal references to other posters.
It's all opinion ffs, and let's remember the person who puts all this together is a Froch fan and friend from the start. I'm not huge fan of Carl, but respect him hugely. Regardless of that everyone should respect the forum you are posting on... Or fcuk off and post on another one.

Who is insulting people? It's all been pretty good natured of late.



In other news
I'm dissapointed my Sig clip has vanished, what's that about?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 27, 2013, 11:03:03 PM
I still can't get over the froch red tinted glasses comments here lol... Nearly 40 pages now. Lets face it Froch vs Ward or Froch vs Groves.. It all ends the same way... Game over for the Froch. TKO9 is all i here on this forum, look around the other major players forums and it's completly a diff animal. Seriously he needs to stay away from boxers as he will get exposed yet again.

If i was Froch i would take groves based on public opinion, just to save his superstar status. However i know carl is a little too worried about groves now. Ward will take him with two hands, with no chance of it being in uk. Kessler rubber match, cash out and retire would be probable preference rather than getting outclassed by GGG (wouldn't happen anyway) or chavez, tbh who would want to see that apart from jim lampley, with max and red naked in a hbo dark room.

There has been some very biast views from both froch and groves fans tbh. You saying Froch was exposed? That's a terrible comment. How can a 4 times world champion be exposed? than you comment with this rubbish about Wards broken hand....he hit Carl hard and often with that left, I guarantee if Carl was to come out and say he fought Groves with a broken hand you would be ranting about him making excuses.

Fact is several people on here find a way to put down everything froch has achieved in the sport to the extent it's becoming difficult to realise whose trolling and whose debating.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 27, 2013, 11:14:25 PM

I'm dissapointed my Sig clip has vanished, what's that about?



Your signature is still intact. It's just wherever you have got it from has deleted it from their servers.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 27, 2013, 11:19:50 PM

Your signature is still intact. It's just wherever you have got it from has deleted it from their servers.



I see, cheers mate.

Might wait for the rematch before doing another ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Driscoll on December 28, 2013, 12:11:04 AM
TKO 9 usually comes out on here in response to the endless pathetic whingeing by Groves fans about the outcome of the first fight.  It was an early stoppage and a genuine mistake by an otherwise honourable ref.  Groves did remarkably well, but when he had Froch at his mercy in the 1st round, he failed to cash in.  And the result says TKO 9, have a look.   ;)

To be fair the kd was right at the death of the first round. You can't really criticise him for not finishing the job as there was only about 15 seconds left.

Not saying if it was at the beginning of the round he would've finished it, but I don't think he had enough time to try.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 28, 2013, 09:40:05 AM
There has been some very biast views from both froch and groves fans tbh. You saying Froch was exposed? That's a terrible comment. How can a 4 times world champion be exposed? than you comment with this rubbish about Wards broken hand....he hit Carl hard and often with that left, I guarantee if Carl was to come out and say he fought Groves with a broken hand you would be ranting about him making excuses.

Fact is several people on here find a way to put down everything froch has achieved in the sport to the extent it's becoming difficult to realise whose trolling and whose debating.

I think you know considering the amount of debates us two have had on Carl Froch my opinion on the matter has been fairly consistent.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 28, 2013, 11:39:36 AM
How about a bit of credit for not wanting the easy route to the belt.

I'd like to bet George and his team will be thinking about when he wins not if he gets beat then what.

George is calling out the guys above him while Carl appears to be looking at guys below his level.

Just how many are above Froch in the SMW division  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 28, 2013, 04:06:10 PM
TKO 9 usually comes out on here in response to the endless pathetic whingeing by Groves fans about the outcome of the first fight.  It was an early stoppage and a genuine mistake by an otherwise honourable ref.  Groves did remarkably well, but when he had Froch at his mercy in the 1st round, he failed to cash in.  And the result says TKO 9, have a look.   ;)

TK9 will become like 46-0 is used to answer any argument about this fight. Both true answers but both have questions against them.

Saying that I'm sick of the fight, the talk and and everything that goes with Froch Groves.  It's a shame because it could of been so much more. I think back to the Froch Kessler fight and how much fun it was leading up to it, the respect between the two, the build up and the fight itself. The good lighthearted discussions, It was great and all I enjoy about the sport.

This fight has left a real bad taste. I hope they don't fight again now just so we don't have to go through it all again. They are both behaving like petulant arrogant school kids arguing who is the toughest after the teacher broke up the fight. It really has been that childish between them along with all the crap on here.

I fancy Vegas for Carl for one last away trip and a German trip to see Groves vs Steiglitz.

Back to watching and supporting British fighters. Brilliant.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 28, 2013, 05:39:38 PM
I think you know considering the amount of debates us two have had on Carl Froch my opinion on the matter has been fairly consistent.

Agree, That wasn't a dig at you but in general. Get tired of hearing the same rubbish on here discrediting all of Frochs wins. People who say that Taylor schooled him for 11 rounds or that Groves schooled him for 8...its just not true.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 28, 2013, 07:03:24 PM
Agree, That wasn't a dig at you but in general. Get tired of hearing the same rubbish on here discrediting all of Frochs wins. People who say that Taylor schooled him for 11 rounds or that Groves schooled him for 8...its just not true.


No one's discrediting anything Froch has done he's had a great career but no one can deny he struggles with certain styles and the styles of Groves and Taylor were giving him problems up until the end of both fights.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 28, 2013, 08:59:55 PM
No one's discrediting anything Froch has done he's had a great career but no one can deny he struggles with certain styles and the styles of Groves and Taylor were giving him problems up until the end of both fights.

He cant handle fast movers but the Groves fight seemed different...he was there to be hit all night and barely made Groves work for the shot like Taylor and Dirrell had to.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 28, 2013, 09:01:57 PM
No one's discrediting anything Froch has done he's had a great career but no one can deny he struggles with certain styles and the styles of Groves and Taylor were giving him problems up until the end of both fights.

Yeah, neither saw the final bell.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 29, 2013, 12:07:44 AM
Yeah, neither saw the final bell.

I wasn't having a dig at Carl i was simply answering tim's post.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 29, 2013, 02:07:37 AM
Just watching Molina v Smith from the Mayweather v Alvarez bill on BoxNation.

If Froch fights Ward in Vegas; I would love to see the ref of this fight officiate it. His name is Jay Nady. He keeps it clean and calls fouls as they're happening in the fight. It's something that would trouble Ward regarding his holding but clever style and Carl would have to watch the odd shot to the side / back of the head which he uses when being held. It's probable that both would lose points if he was the ref, but I think they both deserve a fairly called fight for what would be at stake.

Regarding this thread;
Froch won't be fighting Groves next. I don't think he will "duck" him. He doesn't or hasn't "ducked" anyone. If Eddie wants 60 or 70 thousand at Wembley then I'd wait a year. The rematch doesn't need to be the next fight. If Groves is as good as most seem to think then prove it against someone else and make the fight even bigger. The fight with Carl will always be there.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 29, 2013, 03:07:14 AM
Just watching Molina v Smith from the Mayweather v Alvarez bill on BoxNation.

If Froch fights Ward in Vegas; I would love to see the ref of this fight officiate it. His name is Jay Nady. He keeps it clean and calls fouls as they're happening in the fight. It's something that would trouble Ward regarding his holding but clever style and Carl would have to watch the odd shot to the side / back of the head which he uses when being held. It's probable that both would lose points if he was the ref, but I think they both deserve a fairly called fight for what would be at stake.

Regarding this thread;
Froch won't be fighting Groves next. I don't think he will "duck" him. He doesn't or hasn't "ducked" anyone. If Eddie wants 60 or 70 thousand at Wembley then I'd wait a year. The rematch doesn't need to be the next fight. If Groves is as good as most seem to think then prove it against someone else and make the fight even bigger. The fight with Carl will always be there.

The ref for maidana v broner was good n all, he just physically stopped the holding himself lol


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jonty666 on December 29, 2013, 03:09:10 AM
Just watching Molina v Smith from the Mayweather v Alvarez bill on BoxNation.

If Froch fights Ward in Vegas; I would love to see the ref of this fight officiate it. His name is Jay Nady. He keeps it clean and calls fouls as they're happening in the fight. It's something that would trouble Ward regarding his holding but clever style and Carl would have to watch the odd shot to the side / back of the head which he uses when being held. It's probable that both would lose points if he was the ref, but I think they both deserve a fairly called fight for what would be at stake.

Regarding this thread;
Froch won't be fighting Groves next. I don't think he will "duck" him. He doesn't or hasn't "ducked" anyone. If Eddie wants 60 or 70 thousand at Wembley then I'd wait a year. The rematch doesn't need to be the next fight. If Groves is as good as most seem to think then prove it against someone else and make the fight even bigger. The fight with Carl will always be there.

Cash wise, it's the biggest fight on the table. Legacy wise it isn't, Ward is. But I think everyone knows that if he fights Ward he gets schooled. Regardless who the ref is.

I also think that Carl would rather fight Ward than Groves because a loss to Ward wouldn't damage his career as much as a loss to Groves would. And both are highly possible. Groves is only going to get better.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 29, 2013, 03:34:33 AM
Cash wise, it's the biggest fight on the table. Legacy wise it isn't, Ward is. But I think everyone knows that if he fights Ward he gets schooled. Regardless who the ref is.

I also think that Carl would rather fight Ward than Groves because a loss to Ward wouldn't damage his career as much as a loss to Groves would. And both are highly possible. Groves is only going to get better.

Pretty much agree with this the only way Froch - Groves could be bigger is if Groves wins a world title but Froch isn't gonna hang around for that to happen so if he does fight Ward again and loses he then loses the WBA and IBF titles meaning Groves is the champion going into the fight if he wins the WBO title before the rematch.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on December 29, 2013, 10:16:38 AM
Cash wise, it's the biggest fight on the table. Legacy wise it isn't, Ward is. But I think everyone knows that if he fights Ward he gets schooled. Regardless who the ref is.

I also think that Carl would rather fight Ward than Groves because a loss to Ward wouldn't damage his career as much as a loss to Groves would. And both are highly possible. Groves is only going to get better.

I think that's the point really.  He could fight Ward and lose, which would still mean there was only ever one fighter in his career that he was unable to overcome (either the first fight or the rematch).  Whereas a loss to Groves tarnishes the legacy somewhat.  It's easy for folk on here to beat their chest and shout 'Come on, let's have it, ducker!'.  But for Froch, there are some difficult elements to the equation.  None of that will appeal to the baying Groves fans, I know, but it's fact all the same


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 29, 2013, 10:58:17 AM
Im fairly sure theres been a twitter offer from ward to GG.. so it puts a damn big spanner in Carls Ward fight plan.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 29, 2013, 11:11:28 AM

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Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 29, 2013, 11:53:27 AM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2KqAyPPKk (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2KqAyPPKk)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dmp on December 29, 2013, 12:44:47 PM
 ;D
[url]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2KqAyPPKk[/url] ([url]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2KqAyPPKk[/url])



 ;D ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 29, 2013, 02:14:12 PM
I think that's the point really.  He could fight Ward and lose, which would still mean there was only ever one fighter in his career that he was unable to overcome (either the first fight or the rematch).  Whereas a loss to Groves tarnishes the legacy somewhat.  It's easy for folk on here to beat their chest and shout 'Come on, let's have it, ducker!'.  But for Froch, there are some difficult elements to the equation.  None of that will appeal to the baying Groves fans, I know, but it's fact all the same

Massive problem why should Ward fight a fighter he beat comfortably again? Losing to Groves isn't that big a deal IMO Groves could go onto to be better than Ward!!!

I personally think the longer Carl fights the more damage he does to his legacy he's way to easy to hit fights square on and has limited movement it also looks like the legs are starting to go, its for these reasons I believe he should retire four weight world champion fought a string of tough fights his career legacy or whatever we want to call it is made he won't get any better and he won't beat Ward.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 29, 2013, 03:02:19 PM
I think that's the point really.  He could fight Ward and lose, which would still mean there was only ever one fighter in his career that he was unable to overcome (either the first fight or the rematch).  Whereas a loss to Groves tarnishes the legacy somewhat.  It's easy for folk on here to beat their chest and shout 'Come on, let's have it, ducker!'.  But for Froch, there are some difficult elements to the equation.  None of that will appeal to the baying Groves fans, I know, but it's fact all the same

But then he's going back on his self proclaimed "I'll
fight anyone" attitude all well and good saying it when you have to fight them in the super six but the first real time the fans ask you to fight someone you refuse.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 29, 2013, 04:06:44 PM
Massive problem why should Ward fight a fighter he beat comfortably again? Losing to Groves isn't that big a deal IMO Groves could go onto to be better than Ward!!!

I personally think the longer Carl fights the more damage he does to his legacy he's way to easy to hit fights square on and has limited movement it also looks like the legs are starting to go, its for these reasons I believe he should retire four weight world champion fought a string of tough fights his career legacy or whatever we want to call it is made he won't get any better and he won't beat Ward.

In fairness Ward was ment to fight Bute after the super six but instead we got Froch v Bute, after what Froch did in that fifth and since I'd say he well in line fora Ward fight.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on December 29, 2013, 04:09:15 PM
If Bute wins his next fight or two then I wouldn't mind Froch taking a trip to Canada before his career is out. He would deserve his rematch if he proves he can fight at World level.

Ward v Groves is the biggest fight in the division apparently.

Nobody needs Froch do they  //


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 29, 2013, 04:25:11 PM
If Bute wins his next fight or two then I wouldn't mind Froch taking a trip to Canada before his career is out. He would deserve his rematch if he proves he can fight at World level.

Ward v Groves is the biggest fight in the division apparently.

Nobody needs Froch do they  //

He can fight Pascal then after promising him a rematch  :)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 29, 2013, 04:33:00 PM
In fairness Ward was ment to fight Bute after the super six but instead we got Froch v Bute, after what Froch did in that fifth and since I'd say he well in line fora Ward fight.

Slightly off topic but Bute must have some chin he took so many flush shots in that bout its unreal.

Only reason Ward will fight Froch is for money that simple it does nothing for Ward.

Froch should retire IMO there isn't a viable fight that he can win that will enhance what he's already achieved only fight that interests me would be Stevenson he's called out Carl several times so its up to Carl to accept or decline.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 29, 2013, 07:16:29 PM
Seen online Groves went down to a pub in Hammersmith after a guy said he was there who had been trolling him !!

Scratch and Cloughie take note :)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Hurricane on December 29, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
Scratch won't be there, he'll be too busy indoors knocking one out over an adultwork profile.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 29, 2013, 07:24:28 PM
Scratch won't be there, he'll be too busy indoors knocking one out over an adultwork profile.

 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 29, 2013, 08:33:04 PM
Seen online Groves went down to a pub in Hammersmith after a guy said he was there who had been trolling him !!

Scratch and Cloughie take note :)

Doncaster Boxing wasn't it ?

AKA  The Don


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 29, 2013, 08:38:47 PM
Doncaster Boxing wasn't it ?

AKA  The Don

AKA The Done One


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 29, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
AKA The Done One


Pffft.

I doubt that.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Hurricane on December 29, 2013, 09:25:53 PM
Not sure of the name but I think it was some bellend that kept being racist about his Mrs.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 29, 2013, 09:32:04 PM
Not sure of the name but I think it was some bellend that kept being racist about his Mrs.

Yeah that was why, Doncaster boxing was the guy.

Unreal all this, over a boxing fight.

Carl has got just as much I'm sure, its pathetic really.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on December 29, 2013, 09:35:39 PM
It was Jaimie, he misses groves so much that he now abuses him online in the hope one day groves will find him.  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 29, 2013, 09:43:12 PM
Scratch won't be there, he'll be too busy indoors knocking one out over an adultwork profile.

A lot bloody cheaper ;)



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 29, 2013, 09:52:57 PM
Seen online Groves went down to a pub in Hammersmith after a guy said he was there who had been trolling him !!

Scratch and Cloughie take note :)

My banter hasn't been offensive/racist or nasty  ;)



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 29, 2013, 09:54:28 PM
My banter hasn't been offensive/racist or nasty  ;)



It's gingerist!  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 29, 2013, 10:08:43 PM
It's gingerist!  ;D

I don't find ginger C**t offensive?

Just been reading doodahs twitter.........I personally wouldn't go that far but,the lad has been getting a LOT of stick off the Groves fans.

Anyway,to be on safe side, I have changed my profile picture on twitter to one of Jaimieieie's ;)



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 29, 2013, 10:19:53 PM
I've had a pint or two with Doncaster Boxing.

Passionate about boxing.... and disposing of dead bodies in his scrap yard.

"No officer, I didn't know someone had put a body in that Ford Carpri's boot" - true story.

Owns about 20 Alsatians and a crusher does The Don.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 29, 2013, 10:57:01 PM
groves went to the pub he reckoned he was in but he had done a runner


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: presa on December 29, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
Pathetic.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 29, 2013, 11:52:00 PM
Grown men wanting to fight over the internet totally sad


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on December 30, 2013, 02:01:54 AM
Grown men wanting to fight over the internet totally sad

Yep totally out of order, We all have our opinions on here whether we agree or not we always keep things civil it over steps the mark when it gets racist or turns into real life situations but I can't blame George if someone has been racist about his mrs.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 30, 2013, 06:26:31 AM
Grown men wanting to fight over the internet totally sad

This whole fight and everything surrounding it has gotten really sad, both fighters are behaving like petulant children, the majority of the fans behaving the same online ( especially on twitter ) It's pathetic it really is.

It's embarrassing like you say grown men baiting each other about two fighters who had a boxing fight. Even worse when family members get involved and it gets to the stage where the guys mothers and partners are getting abused.

It's crazy, its great that boxing is in the mainstream now but with it has come this crap.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Hurricane on December 30, 2013, 09:12:54 AM
I've had a pint or two with Doncaster Boxing.

Passionate about boxing.... and disposing of dead bodies in his scrap yard.

"No officer, I didn't know someone had put a body in that Ford Carpri's boot" - true story.

Owns about 20 Alsatians and a crusher does The Don.



I can picture him now. Crush dead body in car; tweet Kerry Katona to tell her she's fat. Feed dead body to Alsations; tweet Justin Bieber to tell him he'll love him forever.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 30, 2013, 09:14:17 AM
I've had a pint or two with Doncaster Boxing.

Passionate about boxing.... and disposing of dead bodies in his scrap yard.

"No officer, I didn't know someone had put a body in that Ford Carpri's boot" - true story.

Owns about 20 Alsatians and a crusher does The Don.



Also has a passion for eating.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 30, 2013, 09:43:08 AM
Grown men wanting to fight over the internet totally sad

When it is intentionally done for you to see it and some of these idiots write some pretty horrible things I can actually understand the likes of Woodhouse etc going round looking for them.

We use twitter and have no problems with it, but imagine loading it up each day to see the same idiots slagging you off and worse so your family etc every day for no real reason etc?

The fact is the majority of us on here our dislikes ends with boxers as boxers, and even if we think the guy is a bit of a nob outside the ring then we don't go and plaster it all over somewhere he will see it and keep doing it just for a reaction.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 30, 2013, 12:05:27 PM
When it is intentionally done for you to see it and some of these idiots write some pretty horrible things I can actually understand the likes of Woodhouse etc going round looking for them.

We use twitter and have no problems with it, but imagine loading it up each day to see the same idiots slagging you off and worse so your family etc every day for no real reason etc?

The fact is the majority of us on here our dislikes ends with boxers as boxers, and even if we think the guy is a bit of a nob outside the ring then we don't go and plaster it all over somewhere he will see it and keep doing it just for a reaction.

See I see what your saying but I have a different view now I could be wrong as I have a twitter but I'm not the best on it but surely there is a block facility or a report to admin does it really have to get to the stage of traveling to places to fight someone?

Now your a professional boxer your fighting at a reasonable level its fair to say the chances are you can knock lumps out of your twitter troll. If your traveling any distance to confront someone your not doing it for a chat IMO.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 30, 2013, 12:22:59 PM
See I see what your saying but I have a different view now I could be wrong as I have a twitter but I'm not the best on it but surely there is a block facility or a report to admin does it really have to get to the stage of traveling to places to fight someone?

Now your a professional boxer your fighting at a reasonable level its fair to say the chances are you can knock lumps out of your twitter troll. If your traveling any distance to confront someone your not doing it for a chat IMO.

There is a block button.

Fact is though why should these idiots just get off so easy? I don't know what was said to groves but woodhouse had to suffer some sickening things about his deceased mother from what I recall.

The fact fighters would knock lumps out of the average guy should make these idiots think twice about spouting shite, not be used as a reason for them to hide behind with there keyboard warrior image.

Hopefully this idiot did run off when groves turned up and everyone who knows him seen it, I'm sure he will feel tough saying I called a guy and his family then shit out when he confronted me.


Did you see some of the stuff peoples tweeted Carl's partner post groves, profession regardless you would struggle to not want to grip the guy writing it.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 30, 2013, 12:35:35 PM
There is a block button.

Fact is though why should these idiots just get off so easy? I don't know what was said to groves but woodhouse had to suffer some sickening things about his deceased mother from what I recall.

The fact fighters would knock lumps out of the average guy should make these idiots think twice about spouting shite, not be used as a reason for them to hide behind with there keyboard warrior image.

Hopefully this idiot did run off when groves turned up and everyone who knows him seen it, I'm sure he will feel tough saying I called a guy and his family then shit out when he confronted me.


Did you see some of the stuff peoples tweeted Carl's partner post groves, profession regardless you would struggle to not want to grip the guy writing it.

I didn't mate I tend to only use twitter back and forward its to unregulated for me so stuff like this happens.

The point is boxer turns up and smashes twitter troll chance of license being revoked and potential assault charges and not to mention any claim for damages said troll try's to make or boxer turns up at door door opens and the troll turns out to be a nut job who stabs boxer forth with either way isn't blocking someone the easiest answer?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 30, 2013, 12:51:49 PM
I didn't mate I tend to only use twitter back and forward its to unregulated for me so stuff like this happens.

The point is boxer turns up and smashes twitter troll chance of license being revoked and potential assault charges and not to mention any claim for damages said troll try's to make or boxer turns up at door door opens and the troll turns out to be a nut job who stabs boxer forth with either way isn't blocking someone the easiest answer?

I know mate, I was not trying to put words in your mouth sorry ;).


I think however the chances of the average guy on the street trying his look in a scrap with a pro boxer are pretty slim, and I would imagine many of the boxers know that so any altercation is highly unlikely.

Blocking would be the best and easiest way to go about it, but I would not criticise any of them depending on the level of abuse they recieved for going round and pulling these people up about it.

If you are going to slag off someone on twitter, you have to be pretty thick to do with people who are highly trained to fight for a living.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 30, 2013, 01:03:52 PM
I know mate, I was not trying to put words in your mouth sorry ;).


I think however the chances of the average guy on the street trying his look in a scrap with a pro boxer are pretty slim, and I would imagine many of the boxers know that so any altercation is highly unlikely.

Blocking would be the best and easiest way to go about it, but I would not criticise any of them depending on the level of abuse they recieved for going round and pulling these people up about it.

If you are going to slag off someone on twitter, you have to be pretty thick to do with people who are highly trained to fight for a living.



And tell them where you are ie in a pub near by  //


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on December 30, 2013, 01:25:20 PM
Unless you have a few nutters with you.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 30, 2013, 01:33:20 PM
the thing with these type of  20 stone "hard men" is they dont have fck all to lose,  pathetic, their life is grim... so they aren't concerned with the negative consequences that might come with certain actions. in fact they usually invite it because that is literally all they have going for them. it is their one and only identity, which probably began forming in their teenage years due to been bullied or abused in some way.... they are now just performing monkeys for the rest of society, performing their act for our amusement.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Buckers on December 30, 2013, 08:13:07 PM
the thing with these type of  20 stone "hard men" is they dont have fck all to lose,  pathetic, their life is grim... so they aren't concerned with the negative consequences that might come with certain actions. in fact they usually invite it because that is literally all they have going for them. it is their one and only identity, which probably began forming in their teenage years due to been bullied or abused in some way.... they are now just performing monkeys for the rest of society, performing their act for our amusement.

I suggest you never visit Bradford there's one of them blokes on every road. I live in Huddersfield and that has its fair share of idiots, but Bradford takes it to a whole new level. Steer clear lads.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 30, 2013, 08:54:06 PM
I suggest you never visit Bradford there's one of them blokes on every road. I live in Huddersfield and that has its fair share of idiots, but Bradford takes it to a whole new level. Steer clear lads.

cheers buckers i'll bear that in mind


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 30, 2013, 09:05:36 PM
Don't think anybody's mentioned the ammount of trollin Grove's has done.

He likes to dish it out and do a bit of stirring himself!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 30, 2013, 09:07:47 PM
Don't think anybody's mentioned the ammount of trollin Grove's has done.

He likes to dish it out and do a bit of stirring himself!

There is a line tough....


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Hurricane on December 30, 2013, 09:10:42 PM
Don't think anybody's mentioned the ammount of trollin Grove's has done.

He likes to dish it out and do a bit of stirring himself!

Coming from someone who must've tweeted him over a thousand times in the last year  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on December 30, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
Coming from someone who must've tweeted him over a thousand times in the last year  ;D

 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 30, 2013, 09:31:58 PM
Coming from someone who must've tweeted him over a thousand times in the last year  ;D

He bloody blocked me from day one.

No racism,nastyness or threats from me,all witty banter  ;)

He couldn't compete with my style,always one step ahead,anticipating the next move.

I am like the Bruce Lee of twitter.

I invented my own style:

Tweet Kune Do

The art of tweeting without fighting ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Hurricane on December 30, 2013, 09:38:45 PM
Just trying to interact even though you are blocked...can't remember if that's you on Twitter or Adultwork though  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 30, 2013, 09:43:08 PM
Just trying to interact even though you are blocked...can't remember if that's you on Twitter or Adultwork though  ;D

Fookin ell,you lot aint gonna let that fooker drop now ;D ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Hurricane on December 30, 2013, 09:48:55 PM
Fookin ell,you lot aint gonna let that fooker drop now ;D ;D ;D ;D



Gonna be like the t-shirts all over again  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 30, 2013, 09:50:21 PM
Gonna be like the t-shirts all over again  ;D

& I bet Jaimieieie wish he had never said owt ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: The Cobra on December 30, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Don't think anybody's mentioned the ammount of trollin Grove's has done.

He likes to dish it out and do a bit of stirring himself!
Spot on mate !! George and that gingerbread chan have been doing it for a long time .
And just for the record .... Why does George THINK he can tell Carl what to do ?? Rematch or retire ???  Carl can make BIG money fighting in Vegas next year !  Carl don't need George !!!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 30, 2013, 10:28:10 PM
Spot on mate !! George and that gingerbread chan have been doing it for a long time .
And just for the record .... Why does George THINK he can tell Carl what to do ?? Rematch or retire ???  Carl can make BIG money fighting in Vegas next year !  Carl don't need George !!!


This part isnt really about that thoug is it mate.
If GG had said that to Carl and then made a racial or vulgar remark about his mrs then it would be a valid point.
This is about some fat mess from doncaster racially abusing Groves' mrs on twitter.

For the record, you are right. Carl can make decent money in Vegas next year (not as much as fighting GG), and Carl doesn't 'need' to fight Groves again. If I were him I wouldn't take the rematch.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Brick Top on December 30, 2013, 10:39:08 PM
cheers buckers i'll bear that in mind

Dont you live in Bradford?  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 30, 2013, 11:04:26 PM
Dont you live in Bradford?  ;D

born and bred mate!  ;D ... he's not wrong though theres me and this other reet hard bastid living on my street


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 30, 2013, 11:08:48 PM
He bloody blocked me from day one.

No racism,nastyness or threats from me,all witty banter  ;)

He couldn't compete with my style,always one step ahead,anticipating the next move.

I am like the Bruce Lee of twitter.

I invented my own style:

Tweet Kune Do

The art of tweeting without fighting ;)

Tweets kunts do.  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 30, 2013, 11:10:28 PM
born and bred mate!  ;D ... he's not wrong though theres me and this other reet hard bastid living on my street

Is it not 'bratford'?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: willlywalllly on December 30, 2013, 11:15:01 PM
Is it not 'bratford'?

only if your a leeds fan  :D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 30, 2013, 11:19:16 PM
Tweets kunts do.  ;D

C**t  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 30, 2013, 11:25:33 PM
Tweets kunts do.  ;D

(the following should be read in your mind in the style of a martial arts film dubber from 70's)

HA HA HA,YOUR TECHNIQUE,IT'S VERY STRANGE.

HHHHHMMMMMMM,IT SEEMS YOU NEED A LESSON.

HAHA,MY STYLE IS UNORTHODOX,YOUR CRAYON TECHNIQUE CANNOT DEFEAT ME HAHAH HA HAH HA.

HHHHMMMMM,NOW IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO DIE.

OOOOHHHHHWWWAAAAHHHHHH WATTAH WATTAH JAPPA JAPPA OOOOOOWWWWWWAHHHHHH

FEEL THE WRATH OF MY ULTIMATE KUNT CHOP OF DEATH HAH HAHA

PREPARE TO MEET THY DOOOOOOOOM.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: deck on December 31, 2013, 03:48:52 AM
(the following should be read in your mind in the style of a martial arts film dubber from 70's)

HA HA HA,YOUR TECHNIQUE,IT'S VERY STRANGE.

HHHHHMMMMMMM,IT SEEMS YOU NEED A LESSON.

HAHA,MY STYLE IS UNORTHODOX,YOUR CRAYON TECHNIQUE CANNOT DEFEAT ME HAHAH HA HAH HA.

HHHHMMMMM,NOW IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO DIE.

OOOOHHHHHWWWAAAAHHHHHH WATTAH WATTAH JAPPA JAPPA OOOOOOWWWWWWAHHHHHH

FEEL THE WRATH OF MY ULTIMATE KUNT CHOP OF DEATH HAH HAHA

PREPARE TO MEET THY DOOOOOOOOM.

You've eaten a full box of Quality Street again haven't you?!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Buckers on December 31, 2013, 07:27:58 AM
born and bred mate!  ;D ... he's not wrong though theres me and this other reet hard bastid living on my street

Haha sorry mate. I lived in Wyke for 2 years and that was enough for me. You've done well to survive keep it up  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 31, 2013, 08:56:35 AM
You've eaten a full box of Quality Street again haven't you?!

I only like the big purple ones with the nuts.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jimjack on December 31, 2013, 09:17:03 AM
(the following should be read in your mind in the style of a martial arts film dubber from 70's)

HA HA HA,YOUR TECHNIQUE,IT'S VERY STRANGE.

HHHHHMMMMMMM,IT SEEMS YOU NEED A LESSON.

HAHA,MY STYLE IS UNORTHODOX,YOUR CRAYON TECHNIQUE CANNOT DEFEAT ME HAHAH HA HAH HA.

HHHHMMMMM,NOW IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO DIE.

OOOOHHHHHWWWAAAAHHHHHH WATTAH WATTAH JAPPA JAPPA OOOOOOWWWWWWAHHHHHH

FEEL THE WRATH OF MY ULTIMATE KUNT CHOP OF DEATH HAH HAHA

PREPARE TO MEET THY DOOOOOOOOM.

  ;D
I think you've finally cracked!
 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on December 31, 2013, 09:33:49 AM
  ;D
I think you've finally cracked!
 ;D

The ultimate troll gets trolled  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on December 31, 2013, 09:40:21 AM
The ultimate troll gets trolled  ;D

Jaimieieieie, how can you say I am the ultimate troll???

You're just upset because you have a big mancrush on George ;) x x x


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on January 03, 2014, 02:52:47 PM
BoxRec News British Fighter of the Year 2013- George Groves.

At least they know the score.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on January 03, 2014, 03:01:59 PM
BoxRec News British Fighter of the Year 2013- George Groves.

At least they know the score.

Boxrec have always been known for talking shit....nothing new here.  :D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on January 03, 2014, 03:09:56 PM
Boxrec have always been known for talking shit....nothing new here.  :D

"I'm a warrior I'll fight anyone.......without the initials GG"  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on January 03, 2014, 10:16:46 PM
"I'm a warrior I'll fight anyone.......without the initials GG"  ;D

Probably true if you'd add an additional "G" too.  :)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on January 03, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
Perhaps GG can fight GGG than.  ;)

pigs flying me thinks...they will both fight guys who aren't even worth mentioning as per.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on January 04, 2014, 12:20:53 AM
Perhaps GG can fight GGG than.  ;)

pigs flying me thinks...they will both fight guys who aren't even worth mentioning as per.

Probably... but at 25 and 31, age wise they have time on there side to make it happen down the line.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on January 04, 2014, 01:25:58 AM
The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) have noticed a level of controversy around the stoppage and scoring of this weekend’s Carl Froch-George Groves IBF title fight at super-middleweight (12st).

 While we understand that Mr Groves and his team are disappointed with the conclusion of the fight and the scores the judges had recorded, we wanted to put our criteria on the record. It is fair to say that a Carl Froch fight needs to be scored differently for a number of reasons:

 1. Carl Froch is a “warrior”

2. Carl Froch has an “iron chin”

3. Carl Froch is an “international superstar”

4. Carl Froch is the “champion” and any opponent must “take it” from him

 We ask that referees and judges keep these issues in mind during a fight. We accept that for the casual hardcore fan however, these reasons may cause confusion as to the specific assessment our judges make during Mr Froch’s fights. To support you, and to offset any suggestion of impropriety (as the Board is and always will be above reproach or suspicion) we have compiled this quick guide to how to score a Carl Froch fight.

 The criteria

 1. If Carl lands more punches in the round, or the more damaging punches, he wins the round 10-9

 2. If Carl’s opponent lands more punches, or the more damaging punches, Carl wins the round because “that’s how he fights”

3. If Carl is boxing on the back foot behind his jab, this is an example of his versatility and he wins the round

 4. If Carl’s opponent is boxing on the back foot behind their jab, this is an example of them running away from Carl’s power, and Carl wins the round

 5. If Carl punches legal, but non-scoring, areas like arms and gloves, Carl wins the round because he’s doing damage that will “pay off down the stretch”

6. If the opponent punches legal, but non-scoring, areas like arms and gloves, this is because Froch’s defence is “underrated” and his opponent is wearing himself out

 7. If Carl knocks his opponent down, he wins the round 10-8 and gains additional “warrior” points* to spend throughout the remainder of the fight

 8. If the opponent knocks Carl down and he gets up, this is down to his “iron chin” and Carl receives “warrior” points to spend throughout the remainder of the fight. He loses the round 10-8, but gains additional “iron chin” points. These points can be used to halt the referee from stopping the fight in your opponent’s favour – even if you have taken a career-altering beating.

 Using these criteria, you can see it was correct that there was only a two-point margin in Mr Groves favour. It also explains why Howard Foster opted to stop the fight, since the amount of “iron chin” and “warrior points” Mr Froch had accumulated during the prior eight rounds left too large a gap for Mr Groves to overcome. It was the right thing to do because, as you know, the Board’s paramount concern is fighter safety.

 We hope this helps with any further discussions you may engage in on this topic.

 Yours,

 The Board

 *”Warrior” points are a relatively new addition to the BBBoC’s scoring criteria and deserve some clarification. We created them to ensure that fighters like Carl Froch, who fight with scant regard for defence or their health, have the opportunity to win fights against more skilled opposition.

 For every clean shot or knockdown Carl suffers, or wild swing that he misses, he gets additional credit. He can then use these points to even up the scorecards, overlooking that unfair “defence” criterion, or in some cases encourage the referee to halt the fight in his favour when he lands any series of punches. The opponent’s condition is not a valid concern at this stage, since “warrior” points overrule any concerns about “fitness to continue”


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: deck on January 04, 2014, 04:39:59 AM
BoxRec News British Fighter of the Year 2013- George Groves.

At least they know the score.

He fought 3 nobodies and albeit, impressing mightily with a world class performance, he tired and got stopped by Carl.

Carl on the other hand fought and beat the world class Mikkel Kessler and stopped George Groves(blame the ref and not the fighter if blame is to be apportioned) after coming back strong.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on January 04, 2014, 08:42:24 AM
The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) have noticed a level of controversy around the stoppage and scoring of this weekend’s Carl Froch-George Groves IBF title fight at super-middleweight (12st).

 While we understand that Mr Groves and his team are disappointed with the conclusion of the fight and the scores the judges had recorded, we wanted to put our criteria on the record. It is fair to say that a Carl Froch fight needs to be scored differently for a number of reasons:

 1. Carl Froch is a “warrior”

2. Carl Froch has an “iron chin”

3. Carl Froch is an “international superstar”

4. Carl Froch is the “champion” and any opponent must “take it” from him

 We ask that referees and judges keep these issues in mind during a fight. We accept that for the casual hardcore fan however, these reasons may cause confusion as to the specific assessment our judges make during Mr Froch’s fights. To support you, and to offset any suggestion of impropriety (as the Board is and always will be above reproach or suspicion) we have compiled this quick guide to how to score a Carl Froch fight.

 The criteria

 1. If Carl lands more punches in the round, or the more damaging punches, he wins the round 10-9

 2. If Carl’s opponent lands more punches, or the more damaging punches, Carl wins the round because “that’s how he fights”

3. If Carl is boxing on the back foot behind his jab, this is an example of his versatility and he wins the round

 4. If Carl’s opponent is boxing on the back foot behind their jab, this is an example of them running away from Carl’s power, and Carl wins the round

 5. If Carl punches legal, but non-scoring, areas like arms and gloves, Carl wins the round because he’s doing damage that will “pay off down the stretch”

6. If the opponent punches legal, but non-scoring, areas like arms and gloves, this is because Froch’s defence is “underrated” and his opponent is wearing himself out

 7. If Carl knocks his opponent down, he wins the round 10-8 and gains additional “warrior” points* to spend throughout the remainder of the fight

 8. If the opponent knocks Carl down and he gets up, this is down to his “iron chin” and Carl receives “warrior” points to spend throughout the remainder of the fight. He loses the round 10-8, but gains additional “iron chin” points. These points can be used to halt the referee from stopping the fight in your opponent’s favour – even if you have taken a career-altering beating.

 Using these criteria, you can see it was correct that there was only a two-point margin in Mr Groves favour. It also explains why Howard Foster opted to stop the fight, since the amount of “iron chin” and “warrior points” Mr Froch had accumulated during the prior eight rounds left too large a gap for Mr Groves to overcome. It was the right thing to do because, as you know, the Board’s paramount concern is fighter safety.

 We hope this helps with any further discussions you may engage in on this topic.

 Yours,

 The Board

 *”Warrior” points are a relatively new addition to the BBBoC’s scoring criteria and deserve some clarification. We created them to ensure that fighters like Carl Froch, who fight with scant regard for defence or their health, have the opportunity to win fights against more skilled opposition.

 For every clean shot or knockdown Carl suffers, or wild swing that he misses, he gets additional credit. He can then use these points to even up the scorecards, overlooking that unfair “defence” criterion, or in some cases encourage the referee to halt the fight in his favour when he lands any series of punches. The opponent’s condition is not a valid concern at this stage, since “warrior” points overrule any concerns about “fitness to continue”

Lol. Definitely cashed in those warrier points :D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on January 04, 2014, 09:21:16 AM
The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) have noticed a le...

Interesting post from a Burn's fan.

What does the board mention about Ricky ?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on January 04, 2014, 11:23:17 AM
The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) have noticed a level of controversy around the stoppage and scoring of this weekend’s Carl Froch-George Groves IBF title fight at super-middleweight (12st).

 While we understand that Mr Groves and his team are disappointed with the conclusion of the fight and the scores the judges had recorded, we wanted to put our criteria on the record. It is fair to say that a Carl Froch fight needs to be scored differently for a number of reasons:

 1. Carl Froch is a “warrior”

2. Carl Froch has an “iron chin”

3. Carl Froch is an “international superstar”

4. Carl Froch is the “champion” and any opponent must “take it” from him

 We ask that referees and judges keep these issues in mind during a fight. We accept that for the casual hardcore fan however, these reasons may cause confusion as to the specific assessment our judges make during Mr Froch’s fights. To support you, and to offset any suggestion of impropriety (as the Board is and always will be above reproach or suspicion) we have compiled this quick guide to how to score a Carl Froch fight.

 The criteria

 1. If Carl lands more punches in the round, or the more damaging punches, he wins the round 10-9

 2. If Carl’s opponent lands more punches, or the more damaging punches, Carl wins the round because “that’s how he fights”

3. If Carl is boxing on the back foot behind his jab, this is an example of his versatility and he wins the round

 4. If Carl’s opponent is boxing on the back foot behind their jab, this is an example of them running away from Carl’s power, and Carl wins the round

 5. If Carl punches legal, but non-scoring, areas like arms and gloves, Carl wins the round because he’s doing damage that will “pay off down the stretch”

6. If the opponent punches legal, but non-scoring, areas like arms and gloves, this is because Froch’s defence is “underrated” and his opponent is wearing himself out

 7. If Carl knocks his opponent down, he wins the round 10-8 and gains additional “warrior” points* to spend throughout the remainder of the fight

 8. If the opponent knocks Carl down and he gets up, this is down to his “iron chin” and Carl receives “warrior” points to spend throughout the remainder of the fight. He loses the round 10-8, but gains additional “iron chin” points. These points can be used to halt the referee from stopping the fight in your opponent’s favour – even if you have taken a career-altering beating.

 Using these criteria, you can see it was correct that there was only a two-point margin in Mr Groves favour. It also explains why Howard Foster opted to stop the fight, since the amount of “iron chin” and “warrior points” Mr Froch had accumulated during the prior eight rounds left too large a gap for Mr Groves to overcome. It was the right thing to do because, as you know, the Board’s paramount concern is fighter safety.

 We hope this helps with any further discussions you may engage in on this topic.

 Yours,

 The Board

 *”Warrior” points are a relatively new addition to the BBBoC’s scoring criteria and deserve some clarification. We created them to ensure that fighters like Carl Froch, who fight with scant regard for defence or their health, have the opportunity to win fights against more skilled opposition.

 For every clean shot or knockdown Carl suffers, or wild swing that he misses, he gets additional credit. He can then use these points to even up the scorecards, overlooking that unfair “defence” criterion, or in some cases encourage the referee to halt the fight in his favour when he lands any series of punches. The opponent’s condition is not a valid concern at this stage, since “warrior” points overrule any concerns about “fitness to continue”

That's very good  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on January 04, 2014, 12:20:59 PM
Interesting post from a Burn's fan.

What does the board mention about Ricky ?

That he's Scottish and doesn't get half the credit he deserves because of it.  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: deck on January 04, 2014, 12:54:34 PM
That he's Scottish and doesn't get half the credit he deserves because of it.  ;D

Wouldn't say that's the case from any true boxing fan. It's more the fact that there are many good fighters in his division and he's not fighting any of them, be it promotional issues or whatever.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on January 04, 2014, 12:56:55 PM
That he's Scottish and doesn't get half the credit he deserves because of it.  ;D

I actually think he gets more acceptance because he is a very nice guy.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Faulks on January 04, 2014, 01:01:29 PM
Wouldn't say that's the case from any true boxing fan. It's more the fact that there are many good fighters in his division and he's not fighting any of them, be it promotional issues or whatever.

Undeniable . Great honest post .



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on January 04, 2014, 01:17:23 PM
The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) have noticed a level of controversy around the stoppage and scoring of this weekend’s Carl Froch-George Groves IBF title fight at super-middleweight (12st).

 While we understand that Mr Groves and his team are disappointed with the conclusion of the fight and the scores the judges had recorded, we wanted to put our criteria on the record. It is fair to say that a Carl Froch fight needs to be scored differently for a number of reasons:

 1. Carl Froch is a “warrior”

2. Carl Froch has an “iron chin”

3. Carl Froch is an “international superstar”

4. Carl Froch is the “champion” and any opponent must “take it” from him

 We ask that referees and judges keep these issues in mind during a fight. We accept that for the casual hardcore fan however, these reasons may cause confusion as to the specific assessment our judges make during Mr Froch’s fights. To support you, and to offset any suggestion of impropriety (as the Board is and always will be above reproach or suspicion) we have compiled this quick guide to how to score a Carl Froch fight.

 The criteria

 1. If Carl lands more punches in the round, or the more damaging punches, he wins the round 10-9

 2. If Carl’s opponent lands more punches, or the more damaging punches, Carl wins the round because “that’s how he fights”

3. If Carl is boxing on the back foot behind his jab, this is an example of his versatility and he wins the round

 4. If Carl’s opponent is boxing on the back foot behind their jab, this is an example of them running away from Carl’s power, and Carl wins the round

 5. If Carl punches legal, but non-scoring, areas like arms and gloves, Carl wins the round because he’s doing damage that will “pay off down the stretch”

6. If the opponent punches legal, but non-scoring, areas like arms and gloves, this is because Froch’s defence is “underrated” and his opponent is wearing himself out

 7. If Carl knocks his opponent down, he wins the round 10-8 and gains additional “warrior” points* to spend throughout the remainder of the fight

 8. If the opponent knocks Carl down and he gets up, this is down to his “iron chin” and Carl receives “warrior” points to spend throughout the remainder of the fight. He loses the round 10-8, but gains additional “iron chin” points. These points can be used to halt the referee from stopping the fight in your opponent’s favour – even if you have taken a career-altering beating.

 Using these criteria, you can see it was correct that there was only a two-point margin in Mr Groves favour. It also explains why Howard Foster opted to stop the fight, since the amount of “iron chin” and “warrior points” Mr Froch had accumulated during the prior eight rounds left too large a gap for Mr Groves to overcome. It was the right thing to do because, as you know, the Board’s paramount concern is fighter safety.

 We hope this helps with any further discussions you may engage in on this topic.

 Yours,

 The Board

 *”Warrior” points are a relatively new addition to the BBBoC’s scoring criteria and deserve some clarification. We created them to ensure that fighters like Carl Froch, who fight with scant regard for defence or their health, have the opportunity to win fights against more skilled opposition.

 For every clean shot or knockdown Carl suffers, or wild swing that he misses, he gets additional credit. He can then use these points to even up the scorecards, overlooking that unfair “defence” criterion, or in some cases encourage the referee to halt the fight in his favour when he lands any series of punches. The opponent’s condition is not a valid concern at this stage, since “warrior” points overrule any concerns about “fitness to continue”

because the judges get one fight wrong in Frochs favour?

I dont remember you posting when the judges had Taylor 4 points up going into 12 or when Tilleman gave Kessler the fight by 6 points after we saw him having a laugh with Saunderland at the weight in or when one of the judges actually gave Abraham a round which was laughable or how a judge had the Johnson fight a draw. All terrible decision against Froch and yet he still won all but one of those fights. Now the judges get one fight wrong in Frochs favor even though there scores weren't even needed and you write a f***ing book on it.

Behave  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on January 04, 2014, 01:21:03 PM
because the judges get one fight wrong in Frochs favour?

I dont remember you posting when the judges had Taylor 4 points up going into 12 or when Tilleman gave Kessler the fight by 6 points after we saw him having a laugh with Saunderland at the weight in or when one of the judges actually gave Abraham a round which was laughable or how a judge had the Johnson fight a draw. All terrible decision against Froch and yet he still won all but one of those fights. Now the judges get one fight wrong in Frochs favor even though there scores weren't even needed and you write a f***ing book on it.

Behave  ;)

Relax Tim I found it elsewhere and thought it was funny so decided to share it


 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Scarface on January 04, 2014, 02:25:15 PM
The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) have noticed a level of controversy around the stoppage and scoring of this weekend’s Carl Froch-George Groves IBF title fight at super-middleweight (12st).

 While we understand that Mr Groves and his team are disappointed with the conclusion of the fight and the scores the judges had recorded, we wanted to put our criteria on the record. It is fair to say that a Carl FrohYch fight needs to be scored differently for a number of reasons:

 1. Carl Froch is a “warrior”

2. Carl Froch has an “iron chin”

3. Carl Froch is an “international superstar”

4. Carl Froch is the “champion” and any opponent must “take it” from him

 We ask that referees and judges keep these issues in mind during a fight. We accept that for the casual hardcore fan however, these reasons may cause confusion as to the specific assessment our judges make during Mr Froch’s fights. To support you, and to offset any suggestion of impropriety (as the Board is and always will be above reproach or suspicion) we have compiled this quick guide to how to score a Carl Froch fight.

 The criteria

 1. If Carl lands more punches in the round, or the more damaging punches, he wins the round 10-9

 2. If Carl’s opponent lands more punches, or the more damaging punches, Carl wins the round because “that’s how he fights”

3. If Carl is boxing on the back foot behind his jab, this is an example of his versatility and he wins the round

 4. If Carl’s opponent is boxing on the back foot behind their jab, this is an example of them running away from Carl’s power, and Carl wins the round

 5. If Carl punches legal, but non-scoring, areas like arms and gloves, Carl wins the round because he’s doing damage that will “pay off down the stretch”

6. If the opponent punches legal, but non-scoring, areas like arms and gloves, this is because Froch’s defence is “underrated” and his opponent is wearing himself out

 7. If Carl knocks his opponent down, he wins the round 10-8 and gains additional “warrior” points* to spend throughout the remainder of the fight

 8. If the opponent knocks Carl down and he gets up, this is down to his “iron chin” and Carl receives “warrior” points to spend throughout the remainder of the fight. He loses the round 10-8, but gains additional “iron chin” points. These points can be used to halt the referee from stopping the fight in your opponent’s favour – even if you have taken a career-altering beating.

 Using these criteria, you can see it was correct that there was only a two-point margin in Mr Groves favour. It also explains why Howard Foster opted to stop the fight, since the amount of “iron chin” and “warrior points” Mr Froch had accumulated during the prior eight rounds left too large a gap for Mr Groves to overcome. It was the right thing to do because, as you know, the Board’s paramount concern is fighter safety.

 We hope this helps with any further discussions you may engage in on this topic.

 Yours,

 The Board

 *”Warrior” points are a relatively new addition to the BBBoC’s scoring criteria and deserve some clarification. We created them to ensure that fighters like Carl Froch, who fight with scant regard for defence or their health, have the opportunity to win fights against more skilled opposition.

 For every clean shot or knockdown Carl suffers, or wild swing that he misses, he gets additional credit. He can then use these points to even up the scorecards, overlooking that unfair “defence” criterion, or in some cases encourage the referee to halt the fight in his favour when he lands any series of punches. The opponent’s condition is not a valid concern at this stage, since “warrior” points overrule any concerns about “fitness to continue”

The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) also apologises for not having the power or authority to extend this system to encompass Oakland - USA.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on January 04, 2014, 02:31:02 PM
Relax Tim I found it elsewhere and thought it was funny so decided to share it


 ;D

F*ck you  ;D

my new years resolution....dont bite haha

Team Froch TKO9


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: deck on January 04, 2014, 02:38:41 PM
I actually think he gets more acceptance because he is a very nice guy.

Yeah I've met Ricky and he seems a very nice lad.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on January 04, 2014, 03:34:40 PM
F*ck you  ;D

my new years resolution....dont bite haha

Team Froch TKO9

 ;D You're welcome.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Socrates on January 04, 2014, 06:20:46 PM
The irony of a Burns fan mocking the scoring in a fight.

I bet Beltran pissed himself at your post.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on January 05, 2014, 12:33:44 AM
The irony of a Burns fan mocking the scoring in a fight.

I bet Beltran pissed himself at your post.


Zzzzzz still not learned what a laugh is then.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Socrates on January 05, 2014, 07:05:33 AM

Zzzzzz still not learned what a laugh is then.

I think you'll find it's you that isn't.

Say something funny and people might laugh.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on January 05, 2014, 12:23:41 PM
A lot of forums have awards such as

poster of the year
funniest poster of the year
biggest moaner of the year

well with you two I officially award you ' feud of the year ' 
 
;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Faulks on January 05, 2014, 12:25:59 PM
The scots should have their own little deluded board to post on  :-*


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on January 05, 2014, 01:13:30 PM
The scots should have their own little deluded board to post on  :-*

raciest  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on January 08, 2014, 01:42:32 AM
Had this sent to me on twitter.

My Moviyoutube2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMPmbiDYVCE#)

It's not me but I reckon somebody on here knows all about it!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Heathen on January 08, 2014, 07:45:19 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on January 08, 2014, 08:30:16 AM
"Until november 23rd when TRADEG struck ?"

Funny though.  ;D



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on January 08, 2014, 10:57:28 AM
I notice im in the bloody thing again !!  >:(

Swines !!!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on January 08, 2014, 11:22:00 AM
I notice im in the bloody thing again !!  >:(

Swines !!!

Jaimie,it's not me that did it!

I did share it though ;D ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on January 08, 2014, 02:53:06 PM
I notice im in the bloody thing again !!  >:(

Swines !!!

Well...................you DO usually support losers!  (I truly wish I'd been responsible for this!)  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: King Cotto on January 08, 2014, 05:36:48 PM


there once was a bold boxer called Froch
whose lead hand hung down guarding his crotch
but he battered Bute
botched his latest melee
though, n his eye looked a blackish hotchpotch


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Driscoll on January 09, 2014, 09:13:36 AM

there once was a bold boxer called Froch
whose lead hand hung down guarding his crotch
but he battered Bute
botched his latest melee
though, n his eye looked a blackish hotchpotch


That is terrible  ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jaimie77 on January 09, 2014, 09:37:29 PM
http://youtu.be/8lSssYwl-kg (http://youtu.be/8lSssYwl-kg)

New Groves Ifilm interview......Should stir the pot again  :)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on January 09, 2014, 10:05:05 PM
Carl Froch v George Groves - Pre & Post Fight Chit Chat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOQC6x4Yzx4#ws)

Carl the Contradiction part II :D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Bonters on January 09, 2014, 11:08:07 PM
[url]http://youtu.be/8lSssYwl-kg[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/8lSssYwl-kg[/url])

New Groves Ifilm interview......Should stir the pot again  :)


Kugan Cassius should be shot for that one, what a fookin' shambles!  He's lost his voice and there's endless demolition going on all around.  Surely to God he could've taken Groves off somewhere quieter!  Otherwise, there's nothing new, apparently Froch has no other options!   //


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Fightin Irish on January 10, 2014, 08:10:25 AM
Seriously, are you not all bored with this shit yet? //


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: deck on January 10, 2014, 09:11:58 AM
Seriously, are you not all bored with this shit yet? //

Longest nine rounds ever!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on January 10, 2014, 10:03:14 AM
Seriously, are you not all bored with this shit yet? //

It would seem not !

I'm more interested in both respective fighter's next chapter.




Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: son of bonters on January 10, 2014, 10:06:48 AM
Seriously, are you not all bored with this shit yet? //

It's apathy that leads to issues being forgotten about or allowed to be swept under the carpet, which consequently hinders the chance of reform.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: deck on January 10, 2014, 10:35:13 AM
It's apathy that leads to issues being forgotten about or allowed to be swept under the carpet, which consequently hinders the chance of reform.

Have you contacted the BBBofC, the IBF and the WBA with your concerns? With many people doing that there will be more chance of reform.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on January 10, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/11afuz4.jpg)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: deck on January 10, 2014, 10:50:44 AM
([url]http://i44.tinypic.com/11afuz4.jpg[/url])


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5XlEydDBTFs/UIBFHI8BGYI/AAAAAAAAAcg/xwyA8gyAiyw/s320/computer_says_no.jpg)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on January 10, 2014, 11:03:10 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: dannffc on June 09, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
I wouldnt expect either guy to be much better or worse tbh. Carl has never been that elusive but he was unbelievably open v groves. I think Carl will look to edge his way into a fight like he has so many times rather then be forced into one like he was v Groves....If Carl can dictate the pace and get that jab going than he may be able to get Groves into the trenches without taking so many big shots. We have to remember that the knock down in the 1st round completely dismantled Carl physically and mentally but he recovered and was starting to land some decent shots prior to the 9th.

Tim the Clown....Know's nothing...Fanboy  //

 8)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on June 09, 2014, 05:58:35 PM
Tim the Clown....Know's nothing...Fanboy  //

 8)

Cheers dan, it's just laughable how we get called fan bois for backing or home town fighter in one of the greatest boxing careers this country has ever seen. The way Cotto won the other night against what IMO was a very unsteady Martinez would be highlighted on an hourly basis if it were Froch insted of Cotto.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: jorg21 on June 09, 2014, 07:13:32 PM
You both got it right others got it wrong that's what I love about boxing everyone has opinions but now it's just getting boring bringing back 5 month old threads.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on June 09, 2014, 07:19:05 PM
You both got it right others got it wrong that's what I love about boxing everyone has opinions but now it's just getting boring bringing back 5 month old threads.

Thing is Jorg.it is a Froch/Groves thread so people can choose to ignore  8)



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on June 09, 2014, 07:23:35 PM
Cheers dan, it's just laughable how we get called fan bois for backing or home town fighter in one of the greatest boxing careers this country has ever seen. The way Cotto won the other night against what IMO was a very unsteady Martinez would be highlighted on an hourly basis if it were Froch insted of Cotto.

It's not your backing of Froch that attracted that lable, but the constant and often pointless knocking of his last opponent. There was a clear lacking from some on hear to give Groves often the slightest bit of credit. Any thread brought up with him in an interview, the subject of the interview, what he would wear, the promtional methods he used all for some reason attracted the same drivel on here.  

Then we would be filled with the good old "I've been told" stuff which while maybe true, if your not going to reveal what it was or who told you then you can't expect people to take it a stone cold fact. Also it's pretty reasonable for an opposing fighters supperter, not to take the word of the other fighters fan as truth simply because he says he has seen or been told something.

These are not things I am saying specficcally you did by the way, just a general overview of the things going on.

I mean the knocking of Groves on here by some for such petty things, in comparison makes me look like Carls biggest fan.

I think it rubbed Dan up the wrong way too so I thought sod it!  ;)


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on June 09, 2014, 07:30:23 PM
It's not your backing of Froch that attracted that lable, but the constant and often pointless knocking of his last opponent. There was a clear lacking from some on hear to give Groves often the slightest bit of credit. Any thread brought up with him in an interview, the subject of the interview, what he would wear, the promtional methods he used all for some reason attracted the same drivel on here.  

Then we would be filled with the good old "I've been told" stuff which while maybe true, if your not going to reveal what it was or who told you then you can't expect people to take it a stone cold fact.

These are not things I am saying specficcally you did by the way, just a general overview of the things going on.

I mean the knocking of Groves on here by some for such petty things, in comparison makes me look like Carls biggest fan.


Il be honest i didn't really comment on a lot of those things but the other side were doing the same so it wasn't constant goading. IMO Groves mouth is what led to all this....if he just shut up and prepared in sted of doing every little pointless thing to try and wind Carl up than this constant back and forth would never of taken place. If Carl was to spark a guy like Kessler in that fashion than every froch fan on this forum would be instantly concerned but with groves it was just a party.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: ScottMillwall on June 09, 2014, 07:44:18 PM
I think it's fair to say that, Froch, Groves, the Froch lot and the Groves lot have all acted like C**ts at some point during the last nine months or so. It's inevitable when there's such an event when that has such partisanship. What's done is done, no need to keep it going, in my opinion.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on June 09, 2014, 08:00:38 PM
Il be honest i didn't really comment on a lot of those things but the other side were doing the same so it wasn't constant goading. IMO Groves mouth is what led to all this....if he just shut up and prepared in sted of doing every little pointless thing to try and wind Carl up than this constant back and forth would never of taken place. If Carl was to spark a guy like Kessler in that fashion than every froch fan on this forum would be instantly concerned but with groves it was just a party.

 I said and believe that Carl initially got all wound up over nothing and George just continued to feed off that.

I asked you lot loads of times to find something George said pre fight one that Carl was justified in moaning about as he did, I never recall getting an answer. Carl himself could not even answer.

With regards to your last sentence,  I think it's pretty poor taste in all honesty but I guess minimal credit can be given for honesty.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on June 09, 2014, 08:07:17 PM
Why would George winding Carl up bother you though? I also said and believe that Carl initially got all wound up over nothing and George just continued to feed off that.

I asked you lot loads of times to find something George said pre fight one that Carl was justified in moaning about as he did, I never recall getting an answer. Carl himself could not even answer.

With regards to your last sentence,  I think it's pretty poor taste in all honesty but I guess minimal credit can be given for honesty.

Are you gonna cry, Eddie can't help you? Come on Aaron it's the same stuff the groves lot cried about when Degale did it to him. Nothing wound anyone up....we just took piss out of groves and his fans took piss out of froch.

O Yes Aaron because you didn't jump in the air when groves knocked froch down? I bet you were on the phone.....ambulance please phones for you arena.

Anyways what's done is done tko 9 ko 8 Vegas......move on people nothing to see here.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on June 09, 2014, 08:15:10 PM
Are you gonna cry, Eddie can't help you? Come on Aaron it's the same stuff the groves lot cried about when Degale did it to him. Nothing wound anyone up....we just took piss out of groves and his fans took piss out of froch.

O Yes Aaron because you didn't jump in the air when groves knocked froch down? I bet you were on the phone.....ambulance please phones for you arena.

Anyways what's done is done tko 9 ko 8 Vegas......move on people nothing to see here.



Carls "disrespect " agenda started long before then and your well aware of that.

And there's no comparison between Carl and Georges knockdown as you also know.

We'll see who moves on next time George fights and what gets posted on here.

Roll on September,  team groves.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Tim2366 on June 09, 2014, 08:26:16 PM
Carls "disrespect " agenda started long before then and your well aware of that.

And there's no comparison between Carl and Georges knockdown as you also know.

We'll see who moves on next time George fights and what gets posted on here.

Roll on September,  team groves.



Haha....who is this groves fella?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Skratch-Alien on June 09, 2014, 08:33:37 PM
Carls "disrespect " agenda started long before then and your well aware of that.

And there's no comparison between Carl and Georges knockdown as you also know.

We'll see who moves on next time George fights and what gets posted on here.

Roll on September,  team groves.



Aaron, Groves was saying all kinds of shit about Froch way before the fight was signed mate.


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: AO88 on June 09, 2014, 08:35:50 PM
Aaron, Groves was saying all kinds of shit about Froch way before the fight was signed mate.

Such as?

Give me something George said repeatedly that you remember?


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: GOD on June 09, 2014, 09:03:20 PM
Bottom line is, regardless of who started it, Carl finished it, and BRUTALLY...Carl won the war, let's move on now lads...


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Terrible on June 09, 2014, 09:24:31 PM
Bottom line is, regardless of who started it, Carl finished it, and BRUTALLY...Carl won the war, let's move on now lads...

Amen


Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on June 09, 2014, 09:28:46 PM
Im the biggest supporter of Carl's and even im bored.

We are now at the point of arguing over previous arguments?

Seriously , everyone - stop it now.



Title: Re: 'Froch: Groves Can't Cut It At World Level, Why Should I Fight Him Again?
Post by: Red on June 09, 2014, 09:29:55 PM
Locked.