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Title: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 01, 2014, 10:53:53 AM
is this confirmed?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: dmp on October 01, 2014, 10:55:28 AM
you cant be serious


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 01, 2014, 11:06:15 AM
Farcical if true.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 01, 2014, 11:11:54 AM
Surely it would need one hell of an undercard to make that a viable proposition.

Edit:  Just seen the tweet from Matchroom indicating that it will indeed be PPV.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 01, 2014, 11:21:53 AM
Hard to defend this.  Frank W***** is giving them a slating on Twitter as well


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Terrible on October 01, 2014, 11:24:29 AM
Have I slept past April 1st?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 01, 2014, 11:27:14 AM
Disappointing given their previous comments on PPV i.e. its for the megafights only.

It is a stacked card with McDonnell and Quigg in world title fights, with DeGale, Joshua and Callum Smith all featuring, but still, its not a PPV show.

With all that said, some of the FW PPV cards back in the day were a lot worse than this.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on October 01, 2014, 11:29:09 AM
Matchrooms Facebook page which has announced it as PPV is getting absolutely slaughtered !!!  ;D



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 01, 2014, 11:32:31 AM
Hard to defend this.  Frank W***** is giving them a slating on Twitter as well

He ain't really one to talk.

The fact this is on PPV f***ing stinks, though. I'd love to know the justification for it.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 01, 2014, 11:38:39 AM
Disappointing given their previous comments on PPV i.e. its for the megafights only.

It is a stacked card with McDonnell and Quigg in world title fights, with DeGale, Joshua and Callum Smith all featuring, but still, its not a PPV show.

With all that said, some of the FW PPV cards back in the day were a lot worse than this.
I would Imagine Joshua certainly will be and they definitely need one world title fight at the very least


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 01, 2014, 11:41:47 AM
I would Imagine Joshua certainly will be and they definitely need one world title fight at the very least

All of those names have been confirmed mate.

Anyone else got tickets? Just got mine.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 01, 2014, 11:43:11 AM
I knew it would be they think by sticking 2 world titles on the card they are giving value for money but Quigg and McDonnell have low profiles and are hardly facing anyone really knows or cares about.
Once Eddie got his claws into Sky you just knew he would try and force PPV on any fight that he thought was meaningful. I know Joshua and Callum Smith are on as well but those are gimme fights at best its rumoured its Matt Sprott up next for Joshua so its the Matchroom way from now on. If this was FW btw there would be uproar he promoted the first fight when a world title was at stake and it was on BoxNation with a better card than this tripe Eddie is serving up.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 01, 2014, 11:44:15 AM

It is a stacked card with McDonnell and Quigg in world title fights, with DeGale, Joshua and Callum Smith all featuring, but still, its not a PPV show.


It's not a stacked card if they're all in with gimmes.

I've heard Agbeko for Quigg. Quite like that fight, to be honest. Agbeko's seen better days, mind.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 01, 2014, 11:44:40 AM
cheers lads thought it was bullshit would appear otherwise.  Hope BN doesn't go under if stuff like this is PPV


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 01, 2014, 11:48:46 AM
If degale is fighting froch 31 jan will he really be out just over 2 months before?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: MFC_SE15 on October 01, 2014, 11:50:52 AM
Complete joke this is PPV.

These are the fights announced from the SKY website:

Nathan Cleverly v Tony Bellew
Eliminator for world cruiserweight title

Scott Quigg v Joseph Agekbo
WBA world super-bantamweight title

Jamie McDonnell v Walberto Ramos
WBA world bantamweight title

Anthony Joshua v Michael Sprott
Final eliminator for British heavyweight title

Callum Smith v Nikola Sjekloca
Final eliminator for WBC super middleweight title


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 01, 2014, 11:50:57 AM
All of those names have been confirmed mate.

Anyone else got tickets? Just got mine.

What ones did you go for mate?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 01, 2014, 11:53:55 AM
What ones did you go for mate?

Was going for the best floor non-VIP seats but they didnt look any good from what I could get on the website.

Ended up with £80 lower tier seats, on row 5.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 01, 2014, 11:54:03 AM
Complete joke this is PPV.

These are the fights announced from the SKY website:

Nathan Cleverly v Tony Bellew
Eliminator for world cruiserweight title

Scott Quigg v Joseph Agekbo
WBA world super-bantamweight title

Jamie McDonnell v Walberto Ramos
WBA world bantamweight title

Anthony Joshua v Michael Sprott
Final eliminator for British heavyweight title

Callum Smith v Nikola Sjekloca
Final eliminator for WBC super middleweight title

Just looking at Walberto Ramos on Boxrec and I can't work out how the hell he's fighting for a world title. A Mickey Mouse world title, admittedly.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 01, 2014, 11:55:05 AM
It's not a stacked card if they're all in with gimmes.

I've heard Agbeko for Quigg. Quite like that fight, to be honest. Agbeko's seen better days, mind.

Joshua - Sprott another fighter 5 years on the slide. Callum Smith is decent do you think he will get a tough opponent they are talking about him fighting for a world title in a year maybe they should put him in with someone closer to that level.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 01, 2014, 11:57:12 AM
Was going for the best floor non-VIP seats but they didnt look any good from what I could get on the website.

Ended up with £80 lower tier seats, on row 5.

They sound decent.  The downside of getting them through Fight Pass is that I'm not sure exactly where I'm sat.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 01, 2014, 11:58:36 AM
They sound decent.  The downside of getting them through Fight Pass is that I'm not sure exactly where I'm sat.

I believe they hold the best seats in each price category for fightpass subscribers so I wouldnt worry mate.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 01, 2014, 12:01:03 PM
Joshua - Sprott another fighter 5 years on the slide. Callum Smith is decent do you think he will get a tough opponent they are talking about him fighting for a world title in a year maybe they should put him in with someone closer to that level.

Smith is supposed to be fighting Nikola Sjekloca but on Boxrec Sjekloca is fighting on the 25th of October. Dunno if that's confirmed.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 01, 2014, 12:02:06 PM
If degale is fighting froch 31 jan will he really be out just over 2 months before?

My thoughts also. Will be a keep busy fight no doubt.

Unless there has been a change of direction regarding Froch v DeGale?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on October 01, 2014, 12:12:05 PM
This is not worthy of PPV.

Main events a scrap between a Welsh pisshead who got his title gifted the lost it (sorry taffys) & a Liverpudlian idiot whos bark is far more aggressive than his bite (sorry scousers)

Its an ok domestic dust up but the whole card does not warrent an extra £15 (or is it more after Froch now?) on top of the £88 i pay sky every month..


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on October 01, 2014, 12:20:30 PM
That's an absolute piss take for the fans. Lisst count of how many prizefighters and middle o the road domestic shows there's been and as soon as they up the standard a bit they try and fleece you for pay per view. Surely will be sky's lowest ever PPV numbers. It definitely deserves to be.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 01, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
Never in a million years is this a PPV card.

Being sold exclusively on some embarrassing staged tutt between them.

Crap.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on October 01, 2014, 12:25:50 PM
A mate txt me saying 6,000 tickets gone already.... Not sure if that's Hearn jazzing it up.
I fancy going but am not asked if I can't get any tickets..


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 01, 2014, 12:28:30 PM
A mate txt me saying 6,000 tickets gone already.... Not sure if that's Hearn jazzing it up.
I fancy going but am not asked if I can't get any tickets..

I don't care how many tickets have been shifted - the fact it's selling quick makes me less likely to go because it means it's being bought by idiots.

This means there is no point watching Ringside for the next 8 weeks because they'll hammer the hell out of this with awful banter to try and sell it. They'll both be on Soccer AM this month too.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 01, 2014, 12:31:28 PM
With Froch v Degale almost nailed on for PPV, there doesn't seem a lot to merit keeping SKY now for the foreseeable future.

As others say, definitely not PPV.

I was under the impression that big Wembley fights would top up the kitty to make other fights happen?

There has been a big over-estimate of this show. And if people buy it, then be prepared for more shows of this calibre to head the same route.

People need to understand that we already pay for subscriptions, it's the same with SKY movies, they put on a shit romcom each week as a "premier" and then anything remotely interesting is purchased through box office.

Freeview, Netflix and Blu Ray is the route for me now.

Well done Sky !


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 01, 2014, 12:41:58 PM
thing what riles me most is it's always Boxing fans who gwt done.  Ryder Cup Champions league never PPV. Then the money goes elsewhere not into a boxing pot


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 01, 2014, 12:57:22 PM
Only one way to stop it man - boycott the fight, consider cancelling Sky.

I don't pay full whack for Sky. Every six months I call them and threaten to cancel and they offer me a deal. I used to go to pretty much every fight without question - just spent the weekend in Germany - but I didn't go to Froch/Groves II or buy it and I won't be buying this either.

Probably is they aren't selling boxing to boxing fans now. They're going for the casual market - their marketing is clear as day. Domestic fights sell, manufacture a bit of needle, get them on Soccer AM, tell people it's an event and the idiots lap it up.

He's turning the sport into WWE.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 01, 2014, 12:59:51 PM
agree I much prefer the international fights. much cheaper as well Frampton Martinez £500 Hopkins Kovalev row 5 £190. I won't be buying this nonsense


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: BurnleyHitman on October 01, 2014, 01:08:44 PM
Just gutted that I wont even get to watch this now.

I watch the Sky cards and Ringside weekly on my phone through that Sky Go app (my old man sorted this out through his Sky).

Cant see that I will be able to buy SBO events on mobile though?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 01, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
Just gutted that I wont even get to watch this now.

I watch the Sky cards and Ringside weekly on my phone through that Sky Go app (my old man sorted this out through his Sky).

Cant see that I will be able to buy SBO events on mobile though?

No I don't think so mate.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jorg21 on October 01, 2014, 01:26:01 PM
Joke to put this on as PPV.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: grizzlyadams on October 01, 2014, 01:27:52 PM
No way am I paying for this. They fought world class opponents and lost, this is a comeback fight. Absolute joke.

Please repost in the "Not even funny" Thread!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Buckers on October 01, 2014, 01:31:23 PM
Can't wait for the IFilm iterview with Hearn tonight. No way they can avoid bringing up the backlash from the fans, it's all over twitter and Facebook. Some folk out there are fuming about this.

Two mediocre british fighters, with no belt on the line, and we have to stump up £15 for it?

No thanks, and don't even say there's 2 world title fights on the undercard, anyone that knows boxing know them belts carry as much weight as the WBO intercontinental belt.

And finally correct me if I'm wrong but didn't George Groves just fight and win a WBC final eliminator? So how can Callum Smith do they same thing before Groves even gets a title shot? Oh that's right he'll have about another 10 final eliminators first.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Kevan2 on October 01, 2014, 01:47:40 PM
So download sunday morning to watch sunday evening it is then!!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: BurnleyHitman on October 01, 2014, 02:04:15 PM
No I don't think so mate.



Christ, gonna have to go sit with the parents then and pay them to get it.

It is what it is, though.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 01, 2014, 03:06:10 PM
The guy that McDonnell is fighting is ranked 44th by Boxrec at Light-Fly.  The WBA don't even have him ranked at Bantam.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 01, 2014, 03:29:00 PM
50/50 fights  :D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: tweetstreet on October 01, 2014, 03:39:06 PM
Absolutely no chance that I'll pay for this on PPV! On top of ticket prices this is day light robbery and I hope it bombs!!

Il be doing my best to either find a stream or download the next day now.

I hope someone slaughters them in an interview with sky on this being a robbery or an IFL interview. Can someone get a 'f*** her right in the pussy' into every single live interview that is done in regards to this fight please? Lol


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tim2366 on October 01, 2014, 03:39:26 PM
What a joke....both of them pretty fresh from world title defeats and yet it's ppv? Joke.


Bet I buy it though  8)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 01, 2014, 03:45:44 PM
Think I'll avoid even buying a ticket now let alone the ppv. One of the worst ppv fights I can recall.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Stevie J on October 01, 2014, 04:00:28 PM
Never in a million years is this even close to being PPV - Any other sport they wouldn't get away with shi* like this....
pissed off as a sky sports subscriber why should I have to pay more?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: lurkyshaka on October 01, 2014, 04:17:51 PM
Very disappointing.....its a solid quality card but not PPV.

There are no superstars on display, no bonefide superfights. Its just a good card that should have been readily available to all SKY subscribers and which could if marketed right have perhaps created a few more boxing fans. But now it won't even reach a big audience. Many hardcore fans will boycott and the casuals definitely aren't shilling out for this.

Shame they've gone down this greedy route.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 01, 2014, 04:22:41 PM
This is probably the first time I have not heard at least one person say they will but it. I know people will change their minds come the night but not one person has defended this.

Sky & Matchroom have lost a lot of the goodwill they have built up with this


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jorg21 on October 01, 2014, 04:31:03 PM
EDDIE HEARN REACTS TO CLEVERLY-BELLEW II LIVERPOOL PRESSER & DECISION TO GO SKY BOX OFFICE PPV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_GFWxDh8TM#ws)

Eddie throwing out his usual "I can't do this without PPV" crap.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 01, 2014, 04:44:26 PM

Eddie throwing out his usual "I can't do this without PPV" crap.

I'd imagine 'do what?' is the question that would come to everyone's minds. A match between two guys without big names, titles or many other options can hardly be breaking the bank. No one else on the card is demanding of big money either.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 01, 2014, 04:58:24 PM
That's it, team sauerland promotions!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on October 01, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
Like everybody else on this thread I'm more than disappointed about this fight being on PPV.

I see it didn't take long for FW to throw some mud  //. To put this in perspective tho for him and everybody else tho, 3 and a half years ago W***** put on Cleverly-Kuziemski plus Groves-Degale on Sky PPV.

Sky are basically sticking two fingers up to their subscribers cos Ringside and Sky Sports News will be non-stop build-up for this fight especially. If they needed extra money then why not add on 5/10 quid to price of each ticket and that way the fight could still have been shown on Sky Sports. With Froch due out early 2015 and potential Brook-Khan and Quigg-Frampton there is prob gonna be at least another 2 PPVs on top of this by summer next year. I appreciate the likes of the fights I've listed warrant PPV it really is disrespectful for Sky to expect its customer to fork out for one like this.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on October 01, 2014, 05:17:55 PM
Smith Abraham 2 will be PPV if it's made !! You watch !!

I'm still cringing at his after fight interview on sky when he said "..... and 40,000 scousers will now want to watch it ... " Socrates pretty much summed it up with what he is trying to do to make money.

I'll prob go to the fight though, for the piss up of course  :)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: tweetstreet on October 01, 2014, 05:35:01 PM
Like everybody else on this thread I'm more than disappointed about this fight being on PPV.



If they needed extra money then why not add on 5/10 quid to price of each ticket and that way the fight could still have been shown on Sky.

The ticket prices are already about double what I've seen for this type of card before. I paid £120 for VIP for the last show in Cardiff which was a pretty good night of boxing.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on October 01, 2014, 05:35:44 PM
Smith Abraham 2 will be PPV if it's made !! You watch !!

I'm still cringing at his after fight interview on sky when he said "..... and 40,000 scousers will now want to watch it ... " Socrates pretty much summed it up with what he is trying to do to make money.

I'll prob go to the fight though, for the piss up of course  :)

At least that fight would have one big name on it and also be for a world title


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 01, 2014, 05:49:47 PM
Even dan rafael joked about it on twitter.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on October 01, 2014, 05:54:00 PM
Even dan rafael joked about it on twitter.



I have been looking on all the boxing pages on Facebook and it's getting absolutely slaughtered from everyone, masses of posts, Nobody is buying this is PPV material, Hearns greed has caught up with him on this one.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 01, 2014, 05:58:41 PM
I have been looking on all the boxing pages on Facebook and it's getting absolutely slaughtered from everyone, masses of posts, Nobody is buying this is PPV material, Hearns greed has caught up with him on this one.
Considering he has always said he is in it for the good of boxing, for the fans, the anti-W*****, etc he has really let himself down here. Froch-groves 1 people just about bought as ppv at the time but not this. Is macklin v Martin Murray going to be ppv if it happens? Smith v fielding? Corolla v burns? And the list could go on


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on October 01, 2014, 06:01:40 PM
Michael Sprott was on prizefighter not so long ago now he's on ppv  ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 01, 2014, 06:18:40 PM
I'd imagine 'do what?' is the question that would come to everyone's minds. A match between two guys without big names, titles or many other options can hardly be breaking the bank. No one else on the card is demanding of big money either.

"Don't do it then" was my first thought. Let the two of them seek other opponents out and see how much they get paid there.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jimjack on October 01, 2014, 06:51:57 PM
This is just unjustifiable.
I am actually planning on going to this, but daft as it sounds I don't fancy it now... :-\

Just bad all round this.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on October 01, 2014, 07:12:09 PM
This is just unjustifiable.
I am actually planning on going to this, but daft as it sounds I don't fancy it now... :-\

Just bad all round this.

I feel the same, I was going to this instead of Fury Chisora but it all feels a little sh*t now  :-\


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on October 01, 2014, 08:02:09 PM
A mate sent me this link, it's hitting the newspapers  :)

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/nathan-cleverly-vs-tony-bellew-2-decision-to-air-the-rematch-on-sky-sports-box-office-ppv-causes-outrage-9767617.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/nathan-cleverly-vs-tony-bellew-2-decision-to-air-the-rematch-on-sky-sports-box-office-ppv-causes-outrage-9767617.html)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 01, 2014, 08:18:15 PM
A mate sent me this link, it's hitting the newspapers  :)

[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/nathan-cleverly-vs-tony-bellew-2-decision-to-air-the-rematch-on-sky-sports-box-office-ppv-causes-outrage-9767617.html[/url] ([url]http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/nathan-cleverly-vs-tony-bellew-2-decision-to-air-the-rematch-on-sky-sports-box-office-ppv-causes-outrage-9767617.html[/url])


To be honest, that's the first time I have seen British boxing fans complaints over PPV make it into a mainstream news website.

It's the "value for money" comment by Hearn that doesn't sit well with anyone, from what I'm reading.

Sky subscribers pay a shit ton of money and then now have to pay again?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on October 01, 2014, 08:24:36 PM
To be fair, if it sells, it can be justified.  If it doesn't, it's a failure.  I'm not entirely surprised myself.  There's needle and bad blood in this one, which always appeals to the casuals, who are the ones who stump up the money these days.  They don't give a flying fook that there's no belt on the line, two blokes who don't like one another are gonna be slugging it out and that's all that matters.  I'm not defending it but by the same token, I'm not surprised at all.  Won't even consider going to this one  -  will 'we' PPV it?  I suspect so!  It's either that or some shite stream that keeps freezing, certainly on my limited tech computer.  A sign of the times.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jimjack on October 01, 2014, 08:27:13 PM
You're right bonters... If it sells then so be it.
I just don't think the 'casual' has the first idea who these pair are.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 01, 2014, 08:31:15 PM
Yeh makes no sense to put this on PPV, just Bellew talk absolute shite for the next few weeks - can't listen to that bloke!!

Never heard a boxer with so many excuses on why he loses a fight. Cleverly should do another job on him.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jorg21 on October 01, 2014, 08:50:39 PM
EDDIE HEARN ON CLEVERLY v BELLEW CARDIFF PRESSER, PAY-PER VIEW FEEDBACK & FRANK W***** COMMENTS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQJefYeEi7c#ws)

"If you don't like it don't buy it" Good way to sell your product Eddie!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: dmp on October 01, 2014, 08:51:05 PM
would any 1 here buy it


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: dmp on October 01, 2014, 08:53:01 PM
EDDIE HEARN ON CLEVERLY v BELLEW CARDIFF PRESSER, PAY-PER VIEW FEEDBACK & FRANK ****** COMMENTS ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQJefYeEi7c#ws[/url])

"If you don't like it don't buy it" Good way to sell your product Eddie!
#

just a greedy twat fleecing enough off the fighters backs,who risk all in there,get together and no 1 buy it


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 01, 2014, 09:02:10 PM
EDDIE HEARN ON CLEVERLY v BELLEW CARDIFF PRESSER, PAY-PER VIEW FEEDBACK & FRANK ****** COMMENTS ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQJefYeEi7c#ws[/url])

"If you don't like it don't buy it" Good way to sell your product Eddie!


Arrogant prick.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jorg21 on October 01, 2014, 09:06:56 PM
I used to like Eddie but he's turned into a bit of an arrogant twat recently.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 01, 2014, 09:18:55 PM
"If you dont like it dont buy it" But I tell you what carry on paying SKY subscription as a Boxing fan than and dont get any fights  :o


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on October 01, 2014, 09:39:03 PM
would any 1 here buy it


I prob will :-[

At the end of the day I want to see the fight and as Bonters said, you either take your chances with a stream (and for a fight like this the demand for streams will be a lot higher than usual which will no doubt have an effect) or you stump up.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: tweetstreet on October 01, 2014, 10:26:10 PM
I rang sky today (before I saw this was PPV) and when ordering a new wireless router for multi room box asked for a discout on my package.

Got sky sports 3 months half price sky sports so saved best part of £40 there. I suggest everyone try's this explains why they want the discount and proceed to put the money saved towards 3 months of boxnation.

For £12 in November you get Kameda v Hernandez, Hopkins v Kovalev, pacquiao v Algiers (lomenchenko on undercard) and Chisora v Fury.

Expect W***** to take a few adds out in the Sun, boxing news etc highlighting what you can get for £12 and what you can get for £16.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 01, 2014, 11:07:03 PM
Its funny that 3 years ago I was the first one on here to expose this guy as a chancer and a wolf in sheep's clothes and he is finally being exposed for the money grabbing fraud he is.
Read Jimmy White's book or Steve Davis they paint a very clear picture of how Barry Hearn built the popularity of snooker around certain popular players and then put a lot of money in his own pocket and Eddie as done the same with Boxing. He managed to inherit a lot of top fighters and literally bribed them with bigger promises of more money if they jumped ship and now with a lot of those fighters are earning inflated purses he as to start squeezing the fans by trying to con us certain cards are worth buying via PPV.
What this arrogant bastard fails to recognise is that we are already paying for a Sky Sports Package and that PPV Boxing events should be for fight cards that are pretty stacked and featuring only the biggest names in the sport. He as simply got himself into a position where Cleverly and Bellew are going to pick up over 1/2 million in purses between them and then by just putting a few undercard fights on and only getting normal Sky sanctioning fees the sums are way off and he as to then fill it with some of his other fighters and stack it and then justify the fight being in via PPV.
I knew Hearn would turn his back on hardcore fans and build his business model on casual fans snapping up tickets and PPV's because the Sky propaganda machine simply loves to shove all this ''bad blood'' down our throats. Bellew and Cleverly are probably ringing each other every night and are like to 2 love birds away from the cameras and why do I think that is simply because without each other they are both finished and both would be earning peanuts.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 01, 2014, 11:27:46 PM
I'm sure Eddie is fully aware of the silly amounts people pay to sky etc, but I just doubt he cares.

I doubt this does fifty thousand ppv buys.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 01, 2014, 11:48:15 PM
I'm sure Eddie is fully aware of the silly amounts people pay to sky etc, but I just doubt he cares.

I doubt this does fifty thousand ppv buys.

If you push for a PPV the cost is very expensive you have to purchase the license for the channel, the production costs, advertisements and promotional costs are all added up and then Hearn and Matchroom will only get a certain % of what is generated in sales. I can't see 50k buys being successful enough to cover Hearn's and Sky's costs never mind the fighters purses he will be hoping are covered with x amount of sales he thinks it will achieve.
He should have simply put Bellew - Cleverly on, Fielding, Stephen Smith and McDonnell and been happy for it to sell out and it would have been fair to the fans and far cheaper for him to manage but he as a flawed business model built on pursuing fighters and paying them over the odds which now means he as to go the PPV model more frequent than what the fans first thought when he built Matchroom Boxing up from a nothing company.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Kevan2 on October 01, 2014, 11:54:34 PM
Anyone else hearing its Degale vs Bika?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 02, 2014, 05:59:52 AM
thing I'm struggling with he says in the interviews he had to because of the purses I'm dying to know who is getting them. Sprott? The road sweeper flyweight Mcdonell is fighting?  Calum Smith? So who are the big purses? "come with me on a journey" f***ing leave off


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 02, 2014, 07:56:37 AM
I used to like Eddie but he's turned into a bit of an arrogant twat recently.

Recently? Bloke's a cocksucker.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on October 02, 2014, 08:28:19 AM
I don't really get all the hate for Eddie if I'm honest.  He's a boxing promoter, after all.  Of course he's gonna balance the demand with what profit he can make.  If he doesn't make a profit, he goes out of business, and if he can make even more profit then he's successful.  I have to agree with him that if you don't like it, don't buy it.  What's so wrong with that?  At least we have a choice, there's nothing compulsory about it (don't ever start me on the TV Licence debate!).  The fact is that we all want to see it, which is why so many are peed off that it's PPV.  I wish it wasn't and that it was included in that exorbitant fee I reluctantly pay to Sky every Month.  But I've no doubt either myself or my son will fork out and have a get-together to watch it.  And if I was a boxing promoter in the current age, I would most certainly target the casuals market, it's where the money is.  I wish it wasn't, but how many of that 80,000 at Wembley recently were dedicated boxing fans?  I think it was always excessively naive to think that Eddie was gonna do all sorts for our benefit, to the neglect of profit.  I don't see him as any worse than most the others before him really, and in many ways better.  But business is business.  I crave for Boxing to return to the pure 'Sport' status, rather than being a business, but it aint gonna happen I'm afraid


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 02, 2014, 09:10:54 AM
agree with a lot of that he's no different to any other promoters, but it's the Brentisms thst get me. "let me take you on a journey" Jesus. He could do this card easily without PPV he himself said how expensive the tickets are hopefully much like Pre Plus with the football years ago it fails


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: TC on October 02, 2014, 09:19:44 AM
thing what riles me most is it's always Boxing fans who gwt done.  Ryder Cup Champions league never PPV. Then the money goes elsewhere not into a boxing pot

Ryder cup was PPV in 1999 mate. Sky stopped doing that when no-one bought it. Boxing fans should do the same.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 02, 2014, 09:29:13 AM
I don't really get all the hate for Eddie if I'm honest.  He's a boxing promoter, after all.  Of course he's gonna balance the demand with what profit he can make.  If he doesn't make a profit, he goes out of business, and if he can make even more profit then he's successful.  I have to agree with him that if you don't like it, don't buy it.  What's so wrong with that?  At least we have a choice, there's nothing compulsory about it (don't ever start me on the TV Licence debate!).  The fact is that we all want to see it, which is why so many are peed off that it's PPV.  I wish it wasn't and that it was included in that exorbitant fee I reluctantly pay to Sky every Month.  But I've no doubt either myself or my son will fork out and have a get-together to watch it.  And if I was a boxing promoter in the current age, I would most certainly target the casuals market, it's where the money is.  I wish it wasn't, but how many of that 80,000 at Wembley recently were dedicated boxing fans?  I think it was always excessively naive to think that Eddie was gonna do all sorts for our benefit, to the neglect of profit.  I don't see him as any worse than most the others before him really, and in many ways better.  But business is business.  I crave for Boxing to return to the pure 'Sport' status, rather than being a business, but it aint gonna happen I'm afraid

It's not about personalities for me, I have nothing against Hearn and find him fairly amusing and honest for the most part - but when he gets his promoter's hat on with regards his own shows, well that is his job and it washes over me. His fighters get paid and they get lots of shows.

People feel a "stacked card" is not PPV, and I agree. A "killer fight" is what makes PPV or if they need the fund to bring in a top American to make a big unification for example.

Sky Sports + PPV for November is £41.50 for existing subscribers, whom pay a baseline subscription to have basic sky in the first place.

To put it into perspective, their main rivals in this segment, are for £12.00 giving us Hopkins vs Kovalev, Paquiao vs Algeri and Fury vs Chisora.

"If you don't want it, don't pay for it" has really lit the touch paper for some people, especially those who feel that the sums they are already paying should include this, which let's be honest is nothing more than a domestic grudge match between two fallen light heavies.

It all well and good dropping lots of names like Degale, Joshua into the mix - but if those in the opposite corner are knock-overs and gimmes, then that is a complete red herring.

Bika is a nobody.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 02, 2014, 10:06:47 AM
My cousin has just offered me a ticket for this with good seats, but I'm having a hard time deciding simply due to ppv side of things.

The boxing fan in me is saying vote with my feet and say no, the sociable side says a few pints and hopefully a decent main even after a naff undercard.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Stevie J on October 02, 2014, 10:16:55 AM


"If you don't want it, don't pay for it" has really lit the touch paper for some people!!

That's the line that really takes the biscuit for me and the first time Eddie has come across as very arrogant.
I honestly believed that matchroom would be very good for boxing but this is the first time a genuine mistake has been made by putting this as a PPV.

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Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: tweetstreet on October 02, 2014, 11:36:44 AM
I don't really get all the hate for Eddie if I'm honest.  He's a boxing promoter, after all.  Of course he's gonna balance the demand with what profit he can make.  If he doesn't make a profit, he goes out of business, and if he can make even more profit then he's successful.  I have to agree with him that if you don't like it, don't buy it.  What's so wrong with that?  At least we have a choice, there's nothing compulsory about it (don't ever start me on the TV Licence debate!).  The fact is that we all want to see it, which is why so many are peed off that it's PPV.  I wish it wasn't and that it was included in that exorbitant fee I reluctantly pay to Sky every Month.  But I've no doubt either myself or my son will fork out and have a get-together to watch it.  And if I was a boxing promoter in the current age, I would most certainly target the casuals market, it's where the money is.  I wish it wasn't, but how many of that 80,000 at Wembley recently were dedicated boxing fans?  I think it was always excessively naive to think that Eddie was gonna do all sorts for our benefit, to the neglect of profit.  I don't see him as any worse than most the others before him really, and in many ways better.  But business is business.  I crave for Boxing to return to the pure 'Sport' status, rather than being a business, but it aint gonna happen I'm afraid

Maybe because before Hearn has made a big song and dance about how they make enough money from the darts and snooker for the boxing to be about putting the big fights on and not so much about making big bucks, along with the likes of the massive froch shows being able to help them do this too.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on October 02, 2014, 11:58:20 AM
As I said in a previous post, I'm not sticking up for Hearn but W***** went through a spell of putting on a fair amount of PPV cards for Sky around 2010-2011 and main of those cards (Mitchell-Katsidis at Upton Park / 'Magnificent 7' at the NEC) were much along the lines of what Hearn is doing with this event.

Totally agree that the main event could have been put on with just a couple of the undercard fights on normal Sky Sports - Froch-Bute was on Sky Sports back in 2012 and that was a massive fight.  If the revenue from ticket sales at the Echo wasnt gonna be enough to cover the event why not put fight on at MEN Arena?  Could have done twice the numbers there.

Sky are just exploiting the 'hatred' between them and using it as sales pitch.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 02, 2014, 12:07:24 PM
As I said in a previous post, I'm not sticking up for Hearn but W***** went through a spell of putting on a fair amount of PPV cards for Sky around 2010-2011 and main of those cards (Mitchell-Katsidis at Upton Park / 'Magnificent 7' at the NEC) were much along the lines of what Hearn is doing with this event.

Thatís called whataboutery.

W***** was rightly called out on his shit PPVs as is Hearn now.

On another note (not directed at you, Vlad), some string has started a petition - just donít but the bloody PPV! The only way to make the fuckers take notice is by hitting them in the pocket. Iíd love Matchroom to make a loss out of this card.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 02, 2014, 12:09:00 PM
As I said in a previous post, I'm not sticking up for Hearn but ****** went through a spell of putting on a fair amount of PPV cards for Sky around 2010-2011 and main of those cards (Mitchell-Katsidis at Upton Park / 'Magnificent 7' at the NEC) were much along the lines of what Hearn is doing with this event.

Totally agree that the main event could have been put on with just a couple of the undercard fights on normal Sky Sports - Froch-Bute was on Sky Sports back in 2012 and that was a massive fight.  If the revenue from ticket sales at the Echo wasnt gonna be enough to cover the event why not put fight on at MEN Arena?  Could have done twice the numbers there.

Sky are just exploiting the 'hatred' between them and using it as sales pitch.
I don't think anyone is defending W***** here it is more that Hearn painted himself as good for boxing, giving the fans what they want, bringing in a new are of boxing promoting and is doing just the same as FW did


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on October 02, 2014, 12:27:53 PM
The fact remains that Hearn is in a very strong position indeed, being the only promoter with a Sky deal.  That is the fault of Sky, not Hearn, and it gives him quite a stranglehold, which he could wield a lot more than he is doing in my opinion.  The reason so many are peed off about this is that they want to see the fight.  And if so many want to see the fight, that encourages him to put it on PPV.  It's a strange fight, Bellew/Cleverly, and one which is difficult to categorise.  It's not a title fight, and neither are premium world class fighters, more borderline or gatekeepers.  But there's bad blood, real or improvised, and I cannot deny that I look forward to seeing it, albeit I wouldn't bother attending on the night.  We have FW announcing fights and selling tickets when the contracts are not even signed, and the likes of Sauerland who overtly make it clear that their fighter will be the winner on points in Germany, come what may.  Eddie has some catching up to do in my opinion!   ;)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 02, 2014, 12:30:00 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2776174/Nathan-Cleverly-Tony-Bellew-s-grudge-rematch-one-biggest-nights-British-boxing-history-winner-guaranteed-world-title-shot.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2776174/Nathan-Cleverly-Tony-Bellew-s-grudge-rematch-one-biggest-nights-British-boxing-history-winner-guaranteed-world-title-shot.html)
I can't help thinking that this will be the highest quality card in this country in years with plenty more still to come.

That is the quote that gets me. How is this better than the Wembley card last summer?

If the 3 main fights happen on the Fury-Chisora card I think that is a better night of boxing



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 02, 2014, 01:22:00 PM
"I expect the winner to get a world title shot. but Also the loser" that takes some beating to be fair


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Stevie J on October 02, 2014, 01:50:24 PM
Nathan Cleverly and Tony Bellew's grudge rematch will be one of the biggest nights in British boxing history!!!!

Laughable.....  ;D ;D





Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: TC on October 02, 2014, 02:10:02 PM
Wasn't one of Amir's fights set up to be on SBO a while ago? That got shifted back onto normal Sky Sports when they realised no-one was buying it if I remember rightly. If people vote with their pockets the money men listen.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jorg21 on October 02, 2014, 02:28:10 PM
Wasn't one of Amir's fights set up to be on SBO a while ago? That got shifted back onto normal Sky Sports when they realised no-one was buying it if I remember rightly. If people vote with their pockets the money men listen.

Did he not eventually take that to primetime to get PPV?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 02, 2014, 04:12:11 PM
Did he not eventually take that to primetime to get PPV?

Correct, Sky had a build-up show and everything - then he took it at the last minute to Primetime because Sky said it was not box office worthy as the undercard was far too one-sided and weak.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 02, 2014, 05:37:04 PM
far too one sided and weak? Sprott Joshua Mcdonnell v a roadsweeper. Better hope Quigg V agbeko holds


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 02, 2014, 05:44:55 PM
£12

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£23.50 sky sports sub? nope add another £17 to that, plus your base sky subscription:

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Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 02, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
You know it's bad when Red is saying that BoxNation is better value!  ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: willlywalllly on October 02, 2014, 05:50:55 PM
You know it's bad when Red is saying that BoxNation is better value!  ;D


(http://i61.tinypic.com/35bxtp3.jpg)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 02, 2014, 06:12:38 PM
You know it's bad when Red is saying that BoxNation is better value!  ;D

x2


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Stevie J on October 02, 2014, 06:45:47 PM
You know it's bad when Red is saying that BoxNation is better value!  ;D

 ;D classic


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 02, 2014, 11:04:08 PM
There will be plenty of streams for this and I can always get a good quality one. No way am I paying for this I'l watch it for free instead its the only way Sky and Matchroom are going to learn.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on October 03, 2014, 07:44:37 AM
What do you all think the ppv figures will end up for this? 10,000, 20,000 buys?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jimjack on October 03, 2014, 08:00:02 AM
What do you all think the ppv figures will end up for this? 10,000, 20,000 buys?

I think it will be pullled.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on October 03, 2014, 08:06:52 AM
I hope it is pulled..

It's robbery .. At least Dick Turpin wore a mask


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 03, 2014, 08:21:24 AM
I think it will be pullled.

I would hope the card stayed but it just reverted to regular Sky.  I think Adam Smith has a lot to answer for here as well as he would have signed off on this being PPV worthy.  Aside from a few losers cry wanking whilst tweeting Eddie to tell him what a stacked card it is in the desperate hope of a re-tweet, it has been castigated generally.  Before Ringside last night the Sky Sports Boxing account asked what people thought of the fight and I think every response was slating it for being PPV and nothing else.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on October 03, 2014, 08:31:59 AM
I would hope the card stayed but it just reverted to regular Sky.  I think Adam Smith has a lot to answer for here as well as he would have signed off on this being PPV worthy.  Aside from a few losers cry wanking whilst tweeting Eddie to tell him what a stacked card it is in the desperate hope of a re-tweet, it has been castigated generally.  Before Ringside last night the Sky Sports Boxing account asked what people thought of the fight and I think every response was slating it for being PPV and nothing else.

Agree


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 03, 2014, 09:19:48 AM
I think you will be surprised how many casual fans will buy into this.

They will see a bit of bad mouthing, pushing and shoving and they will be thinking this is the second coming of Ali v Frazier.

Still disappointing this is going on PPV. Id much have preferred regular sky and a bog standard undercard, but they are trying something new. If it fails commercially, they wont be doing it again.

Eddie has managed to build up a lot of trust over the last few years but seems he could have lost that in an instant by making this decision.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: mooreman on October 03, 2014, 09:45:05 AM
I can't blame Hearn at all for this. Hearn is a man at the forefront of a large business, he will have countless advisors crunching numbers, budgeting and doing ratio analysis on all UK PPV's who will have come to the conclusion that this will on its very worst day, break even. If this was not the case, they wouldn't do it.

The fault of this lies firmly at Skys feet, they have gone from a fan friendly channel that showed top class US boxing for nothing including Pac and Mayweather. Usually backed up by a top UK card earlier in the night. However boxing in the UK is at the moment dying slowly due to Sky's performance. There are alot of poor fighters getting star treatment and they seem to think that if they get to world level they can fight handpicked fighters (frampton, Quigg). The only real top class fighters the UK have are

Froch - Top 3 in his division in my opinion and nearing the end of a fantastic career.
Khan - An international name and a top class fighter that fights top class fighters.
Brook - Yet to see how his career will develop but looks promising.

Yet Sky are squeezing the fans to pay for this shit as they have splashed out on a worthless monopoly. They seem to be basing the model on the US model of Showtime/Goldenboy and are nearly at the same PPV to Cable percentages. The only thing is that the US has the stars to attract the fans.

4 years ago Sky swore blind they wouldn't get involved in more PPV's of poor quality. I didn't see the value in Froch vs Groves as a PPV personally but in the UK it was massive so thats fair game. The rest has been utter shit though and its literally the fault of Sky.

Unfortunately even if fans boycott this it'll make no difference, Sky make their real money elsewhere, boxing is just a a bit of extra cash they make on the side. A petition and bad publicity probably is the best way to hurt them.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 03, 2014, 10:38:12 AM
I can't blame Hearn at all for this. Hearn is a man at the forefront of a large business, he will have countless advisors crunching numbers, budgeting and doing ratio analysis on all UK PPV's who will have come to the conclusion that this will on its very worst day, break even. If this was not the case, they wouldn't do it.

The fault of this lies firmly at Skys feet, they have gone from a fan friendly channel that showed top class US boxing for nothing including Pac and Mayweather. Usually backed up by a top UK card earlier in the night. However boxing in the UK is at the moment dying slowly due to Sky's performance. There are alot of poor fighters getting star treatment and they seem to think that if they get to world level they can fight handpicked fighters (frampton, Quigg). The only real top class fighters the UK have are

Froch - Top 3 in his division in my opinion and nearing the end of a fantastic career.
Khan - An international name and a top class fighter that fights top class fighters.
Brook - Yet to see how his career will develop but looks promising.

Yet Sky are squeezing the fans to pay for this shit as they have splashed out on a worthless monopoly. They seem to be basing the model on the US model of Showtime/Goldenboy and are nearly at the same PPV to Cable percentages. The only thing is that the US has the stars to attract the fans.

4 years ago Sky swore blind they wouldn't get involved in more PPV's of poor quality. I didn't see the value in Froch vs Groves as a PPV personally but in the UK it was massive so thats fair game. The rest has been utter shit though and its literally the fault of Sky.

Unfortunately even if fans boycott this it'll make no difference, Sky make their real money elsewhere, boxing is just a a bit of extra cash they make on the side. A petition and bad publicity probably is the best way to hurt them.






Don't get how  you discount quigg and frampton yet including brook as one of the uks three top class boxers mooreman? Might even question khan too.

I mean granted neither Scott or Carl beat rigo, but Froch won't beat ward and kell and Amir won't beat floyd plus others so what are you separating them on? Carl is the only one for me of our top lot with a solid world class resume.

Before the frochy fan boys jump at me I'm not saying he's not top class, just comparisons in that sadly none of our best are the best in there division.




Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on October 03, 2014, 11:52:14 AM
Will be interesting to see what price the PPV actually is and whether they'll try to persuade people by saying setting price at say 12.99?

I seem to remember Khan-McCloskey getting pulled from PPV a week or so before the fight so potentially it could happen.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 03, 2014, 12:45:55 PM
Whilst Matchroom are getting a towelling, did anyone buy a ticket for the card at the O2 next weekend?  I seem to remember there being talk of big(ish) fights for Mitchell and DeGale on it but it's being headlined by Selby and the rest of the card is really weak.  I imagine they could probably hold it in the Indigo with the amount of interest in it.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on October 03, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Will be interesting to see what price the PPV actually is and whether they'll try to persuade people by saying setting price at say 12.99?

I seem to remember Khan-McCloskey getting pulled from PPV a week or so before the fight so potentially it could happen.

Whats £3 though?? Seriously its an insult.. It could be £5 its still too much on top of what i pay


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: mooreman on October 03, 2014, 03:10:36 PM




Don't get how  you discount quigg and frampton yet including brook as one of the uks three top class boxers mooreman? Might even question khan too.

I mean granted neither Scott or Carl beat rigo, but Froch won't beat ward and kell and Amir won't beat floyd plus others so what are you separating them on? Carl is the only one for me of our top lot with a solid world class resume.

Before the frochy fan boys jump at me I'm not saying he's not top class, just comparisons in that sadly none of our best are the best in there division.




I think Quigg and Frampton are at world level, but there is a tendancy to milk fighters like them in Britain as they are not the best in their division. Khan and Froch fight the best and dont mind being the underdog!! I can see Brook maybe doing the future.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on October 03, 2014, 03:17:43 PM
They'll probably offer voucher codes to anyone who subscribes to skys "next" ppv event. Which will probably be something to do with the WWE


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Platty on October 03, 2014, 07:55:57 PM
They'll probably offer voucher codes to anyone who subscribes to skys "next" ppv event. Which will probably be something to do with the WWE

Well considering people pay for WWE it's no wonder this is being put on SBO. Answer is right there people...if you don't pay for shit, you won't get asked!

I think this will be a cheaper ppv than normal...still don't think it's right but he's running a business and he knows people will pay for it.

It's a shocking card btw. I only think the quigg fight is decent but similar to what he's beaten before.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 03, 2014, 08:00:23 PM
Hearn again on his interview with Kugan "I think it's a minority" that don't agree with it being PPV and just as Kugan was about to question that Eddie kept talking. No chance this is a minority, all of my Boxing mates think this is a joke PPV and every forum I have been on has been 95% negative.

I will not being paying for this PPV and I am an easy sell. The only other PPV (unless I have attended) I have not bought over the last 10 years or so is Haye v Harrison.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: styledoctor on October 03, 2014, 09:12:24 PM


THE worst PPV card I can remember in this country.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on October 03, 2014, 10:37:30 PM
Seeing all sorts of tweets saying Audley Harrisson v Kimbo Slice is a possibility for the undercard. Have I missed the joke?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 04, 2014, 11:50:01 AM
Seeing all sorts of tweets saying Audley Harrisson v Kimbo Slice is a possibility for the undercard. Have I missed the joke?

No chance I am buying this PPV card, even more laughable if that fight gets added. I Would love to know who these Boxing fans are who Eddie Hearn claims are happy with the Bellew v Cleverly PPV card and it's just a minority who are slamming it !!?

On the W***** card the following week you have 4 quality fights. Apart from Bellew v Cleverly I have no interest in what else is on so far - bored of watching Callum Smith and Anthony Joshua smash up average fighters, appreciate they are still young but don't need Hearn trying to convince me they are good fights for a PPV card!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: grizzlyadams on October 04, 2014, 12:59:39 PM
Ringside was cringeworthy. Oh dear


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Stevie J on October 04, 2014, 01:11:11 PM
Ringside was cringeworthy. Oh dear

you got a lot more of that shi* coming  ;D ;D

I want a quid for every time I hear the biggest fight in british boxing...


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 04, 2014, 01:23:46 PM
No chance I am buying this PPV card, even more laughable if that fight gets added. I Would love to know who these Boxing fans are who Eddie Hearn claims are happy with the Bellew v Cleverly PPV card and it's just a minority who are slamming it !!?

On the ****** card the following week you have 4 quality fights. Apart from Bellew v Cleverly I have no interest in what else is on so far - bored of watching Callum Smith and Anthony Joshua smash up average fighters, appreciate they are still young but don't need Hearn trying to convince me they are good fights for a PPV card!

Hearn and Adam Smith are like spin doctors they serve up all this propaganda on Ringside, IFL and twitter trying to make these fights far bigger occasions than what they are. The fact is they are pissing in the same pot Hearn as a flawed business model he as to many fighters he as poached and they are all on inflated purses because he as promised them more than rival promoters could. The fans in part are getting value for money because he is taking these shows across the UK and ticket prices are fair but not every show is making them enough so he as to build these phony cards and stick them on PPV to even the books out on the cards that losing money like that show in Manchester last month.
Sky's Boxing budget as fallen in recent years the promoters have to boost the coffers with PPV's just so its got a future on the channel. Smith is just a pawn but a slimy self important one who as done very little to get Sky back to what it was doing 10 years ago.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on October 04, 2014, 04:21:03 PM
Hearn and Adam Smith are like spin doctors they serve up all this propaganda on Ringside, IFL and twitter trying to make these fights far bigger occasions than what they are. The fact is they are pissing in the same pot Hearn as a flawed business model he as to many fighters he as poached and they are all on inflated purses because he as promised them more than rival promoters could. The fans in part are getting value for money because he is taking these shows across the UK and ticket prices are fair but not every show is making them enough so he as to build these phony cards and stick them on PPV to even the books out on the cards that losing money like that show in Manchester last month.
Sky's Boxing budget as fallen in recent years the promoters have to boost the coffers with PPV's just so its got a future on the channel. Smith is just a pawn but a slimy self important one who as done very little to get Sky back to what it was doing 10 years ago.

Yeah he has definitely build-up a massive stable, perhaps too big now. Hearn always mentions from time to time about boxing being flawed in terms of making money etc but then signs fighters left right and centre cos he sees the £ signs in his eyes from what can be made further down the road.

Totally agree that this card is being used to cover losses made from MEN show last month but that shouldn't be the way. The Wembley show in May should have given them profits to help subsidise putting on a card like this so that when the next PPV worthy card comes along people would have been all over it. I don't see how you can talk about "growing the sport" and "getting the man on the street interested" when anytime there's a big fight they have to fork out even more money for it.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: grizzlyadams on October 04, 2014, 04:31:58 PM
you got a lot more of that shi* coming  ;D ;D

I want a quid for every time I hear the biggest fight in british boxing...

That's the beauty of sky+. I can record ringside and fast forward it  ;D

I wonder if they'll be using higlighs from the kovalev and stevenson fights as part of the promo?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 07, 2014, 11:29:18 AM
Wow Jamie McDonnell is defending his World Title against Walberto Ramos who has defeated 4 guys over the last year with losing records to earn his shot at the title!!

Shaping up to be a cracking undercard to support the fight on the Century!!  :)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 07, 2014, 05:58:50 PM
Wally Ramos ?

Who the feck is he?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on October 07, 2014, 07:37:14 PM
Remarkable the full circle Hearn has done, from blinding cards and decent value to this along with constant reference to stadium fights.

Shame, similar to FW back in the day with Khan Prescott and the like. Even Groves v DeGale was PPV i recall and got pumped to main event as every other fight seems to fall through.

Sure that was the reason Sky canned certain promotors and didn't want the PPV model. Seems they have got greedy following the success of Froch Groves I & II. (Didn't Froch Kessler II do crap numbers?).

Pretty sure I also read or watched him comment on Smith v Abraham rematch at Anfield and PPV too...

Acid test is Saturday for AJ at O2. Be interesting to see the attendance for that one.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jim1973 on October 07, 2014, 08:15:48 PM
No f***ing way! PPV!!!! Seriously?????? This fad to be a wind up.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 08, 2014, 08:06:43 AM
Hearn and Adam Smith are like spin doctors they serve up all this propaganda on Ringside, IFL and twitter trying to make these fights far bigger occasions than what they are. The fact is they are pissing in the same pot Hearn as a flawed business model he as to many fighters he as poached and they are all on inflated purses because he as promised them more than rival promoters could. The fans in part are getting value for money because he is taking these shows across the UK and ticket prices are fair but not every show is making them enough so he as to build these phony cards and stick them on PPV to even the books out on the cards that losing money like that show in Manchester last month.
Sky's Boxing budget as fallen in recent years the promoters have to boost the coffers with PPV's just so its got a future on the channel. Smith is just a pawn but a slimy self important one who as done very little to get Sky back to what it was doing 10 years ago.

Hearn is a promoter. His job is to make fights as big as posible.

I dont think Hearns business model is flawed, having all the sky dates and the majority of the best fighters in the country is the objective of all promoters. If he wasnt keeping them happy, they would be leaving. The reason his fighters are on higher purses than other is because he has the Sky deal to finance this and he doesnt make excessive bids to bring a fighter over and the subsequent risk associated with this.

I dont agree with this bill being PPV and would have much preffered it was just Clev v Bellew and a standard undercard. But this is the only really bad thing I think he has done since the rise of Matchrooms prominence in the sport again. On the whole, I would say he has done a lot of good for the sport on these shores and he does seem fairly reputable, especially when compared to the alternative promoters on these shores.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 08, 2014, 01:28:48 PM
he promised 50 50 match ups and although it's not always possible last week and this week are as far as 50 50 cards as you can get


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 08, 2014, 01:29:44 PM
Periban confirmed as Degales opponents. Disappointing considering Hearn had built him up as a legitimate test and having fought for a world title recently. He fought Bika for the vacant title last year and hasnt won since the start of last year.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 08, 2014, 01:34:55 PM
Periban confirmed as Degales opponents. Disappointing considering Hearn had built him up as a legitimate test and having fought for a world title recently. He fought Bika for the vacant title last year and hasnt won since the start of last year.

As soon as he said it would be a former world title challenger I thought it would be Periban.  He's solid enough but that's about it.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 08, 2014, 01:40:28 PM
As soon as he said it would be a former world title challenger I thought it would be Periban.  He's solid enough but that's about it.

In fairness, no one would really expect him to take on a big test given his position (mandatory challenger), its just annoying Hearn has bigged it up as a big fight and contributor towards PPV.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Stevie J on October 08, 2014, 01:42:50 PM
Periban confirmed as Degales opponents. Disappointing considering Hearn had built him up as a legitimate test and having fought for a world title recently. He fought Bika for the vacant title last year and hasnt won since the start of last year.

That's an absolute joke... He hasn't won since March 2013 and hasn't really beaten anyone of great note.. 

Welcome to Eddie and the lads V's the tomato cans all over again...


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 08, 2014, 02:02:51 PM
In fairness, no one would really expect him to take on a big test given his position (mandatory challenger), its just annoying Hearn has bigged it up as a big fight and contributor towards PPV.

Agreed.  I can see why DeGale wants to stay active until it becomes clear with the IBF title but it is a stay busy fight and nothing more.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 08, 2014, 04:44:28 PM
Periban is actually game as f*ck to be fair to him.

Not much going for him in any department mind, but he is a tryer.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Stevie J on October 08, 2014, 07:35:22 PM
Periban is actually game as f*ck to be fair to him.

Not much going for him in any department mind, but he is a tryer.



I doubt Eddie will quote him as a tryer... World title challenger probably and an acid test.
Is this a final eliminator  ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 08, 2014, 07:37:56 PM
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Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: tweetstreet on October 10, 2014, 01:55:41 PM
Hearn attempting to justify the PPV...... Can't really see who he can add to the bill that would justify it being PPV short of adding maybe Groves, Price, Ogogo, and a few others in competitive fights. And even then....

Josh Warrington is looking increasingly impressive. Do you anticipate matching him with Lee Selby in the near future?

Thatís a big fight but Selbyís got a massive fight on Saturday and if he can win that then heís going to fight [Evgeny] Gradovich.

Then, if he wins that, match him and Warrington in Elland Road?

Without a doubt. That sells out Elland Road in a heartbeat. We did 6,000 on Saturday and heís not even getting started. Itís serious. Iíve never seen an atmosphere like it. I didnít really go to any Ricky Hatton fights and I know they were off the charts but this has got the same feeling. Heís only 23. Heís a good fighter and all.

READ THIS: Josh Warrington will be a world champion in 18 months, says Mickey Vann

So whatís next for Carl Froch?

Iím going to Monaco with him tomorrow [Wednesday]. I think he will fight again but he wants to be motivated. He thinks heís got one, maybe two fights left, so he wants to make the most of it.

Heís fought when the juices not flowing and it didnít work.

Exactly. Exactly. I think thatís what heís worried about.

Are you doing anything about the judges in the Paul Smith fight?

Yes. Thereís an appeal in at the moment. The problem is, I had him losing the fight by a round or two. So the decision might be right but the cards were so badÖ So do you rule, ĎSorry, but we thought he [Abraham] won the fight but the cards were bad so we discipline the judgesí or do you just scrap it altogether and say ĎWeíll make him mandatoryí. Because he was a voluntary itís hard to instil an immediate rematch. What you could do is make him a mandatory and then give him [Abraham] a mandatory.

That one judge should be punished thoughÖ

Oh my God. Just being honest I thought Abraham just got it on the night, although when I watched it back I had a draw, but to give him [Smith] one round, thatís brutal.

Bellew and Cleverly. Youíve talked about growing the game. Is this pay-per-view show growing the game?

In an ideal world youíd like the fight to be seen by as many people as possible. We donít live in an ideal world. To put this fight on, and the card that will be produced on November 22nd, itís the only way possible to make that happen. We had the option to run the fight with what have been a very thin, thin, thin card to make it happen. This way, I feel fans are getting a huge night, British boxing is getting a huge night and fighters are able to go out, have major fights and progress their careers in the right way.

What makes it pay-per-view?

This is the situation and this is where people are getting confused. Itís not that Bellew-Cleverly is necessarily a pay-per-view fight. In my opinion, this is a pay-per-view night of boxing. There will be six hours of championship boxing, some of the best fighters in Britain, in big fights Ė and by the way weíve still got another three fights to announce, that people will be quite pleased with Ė so itís just a huge night for British boxing. We have done one pay-per-view card this year, in Carl Froch-George Groves, and this will be number two. The tickets sold out in less than 48 hours, 10,000 tickets in 48 hours. This is a massive night.

Could you not have run it as a loss-leader with an eye on making the cast of this bill even bigger next year?

Thereís well over a million pounds worth of purses being paid on the night. The only argument anyoneís got is I could have just done Bellew-Cleverly and a weak card. I wanted to do a major night for British boxing and without trying to sound brutal, if you do not think this card delivers value for money, you will not buy it. I have not promoted a pay-per-view show that has not delivered value for money so far. I am certain this card will. As always, when you make a decision to purchase anything in life, you have to weigh-up whether youíre getting value for money. If you donít think you will, Iím guessing you wonít buy it. If you think you will, Iím guessing youíll buy it. If youíre not sure, youíll probably buy it and if you donít get value for money then I have to come in for the criticism that comes with it.

What is the response youíve had via social media and other outlets?

The hardcore [fans] response has not been good. Itís certainly become softer as either a fight or fighter has been added or time has just gone on. It started badly, then it was, ĎIím not happy, but Iím still gonna buy it Ė but Iím not happyí, and then youíve got the casuals Ė and by the way, the price hasnít been set yet, and I donít set the price Ė so I canít tell you whether itís £9.95, £12.95 or say itís £14.95, a lot of the casuals think, ĎF*** me, itís only the price of a pizza.í But people love to moan and at the moment, because we have control of a lot of boxing, people are angry. When I had no control of boxing and was giving it a go, I couldnít get enough support. Thatís just what happens. Ultimately, we came in for a bit of criticism for 24 hours, and like anything it calms down, and as we build the card, I believe people will be more and more pleased and by the time the 22nd comes around I believe it will do good numbers.

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Is David Price going to be on the bill?

Quite possibly. It all depends on his hand. But I want to put more focus on quality fights. I donít just want David Price in a 10-rounder against a Latvian. I donít think that adds anything. Because thatís what weíre going to get stick for. Itís like Ricky Burns or Brian Rose last Saturday night. So theyíre in fights where theyíve had a horrendous run. Rose fought Maciel, got battered, and then fought Andrade and got battered and you give him half a gimme and everyone says ĎThis is a disgrace!í Same with Burns. Heís fought Mitchell, Gonzalez, Beltran, Crawford, ZlaticananÖ and he fought a geezer whoís 17-1 and who actually gave him half a decent fight and people are saying, ĎOh, whatís he gonna learn from that.í Give him a rest.

When the Ryan-Nurse cracker was on, the commentators said Burns and Callum Smith were on next, before Warrington. That was prime time and Smith was ticking over and Burns was supposed to be in an easier fight back.

The reason I did that, Tris, was I didnít want to put Rose, Burns, Callum Smith, in three one-sided fights so what I wanted to do was get Rose out of the way, then do a 50-50 Ė I knew Ryan would give Nurse a great fight Ė and then stick Callum and Burns on, and then go with Warrington. The problem we have at the moment is weíve got too many fighters, but weíve got too many dates. I think next year you will see us doubling up dates and making bigger shows because I donít want to spread ourselves too thin. Iíve had a run, September 13, September 20, the 27th, the 4th, the 11th and then the 25th. Itís a long run of fights and itís taxing. There are plenty of grey hairs; Iím losing a bit, everything. Listen, itís good fun because things are going well but you donít want to spread yourself too thin. Maybe it makes sense to double up one of those shows and do a bit of a bumper show.

Weíve heard thereís a chance Froch might fight DeGale on January 31 in the O2, any risks in a big fight in January not doing good business?

Froch sells out anywhere against anyone at the moment. Youíd go on sale with that in November and it sells out in about an hour.

READ THIS: James DeGale reveals his next opponent

Going back to Liverpool, is this the kind of event youíd hoped to put on pay-per-view with Sky?

I think when we moved back into pay-per-view shows the way back in was going to be to put on a great fight. I believe now that boxing is in a completely different place than it was two years ago. I think itís much more popular, particularly our position in the market has changed considerably, I think we have bigger names, better fighters and fighters with a much bigger profile than we did two years ago and because of the plans weíve got for next year, I donít believe this is going to set a model for the way pay-per-view will work in the future. I just think this is an opportunity to make a fantastic domestic fight, make a number of world title fights, and make big fights for other domestic fighters as well in one night. I think next year is more about Froch, itís more about Brook-Khan, itís more about Frampton-Quigg, for example. Thereís three potential pay-per-views for next year. This is more about timing, there hasnít been a pay-per-view show since May. Itís not a case of there hasnít been a pay-per-view so letís do one regardless. With what weíre going to build on the 22nd, we think itís going to deliver value for money. Is this the way pay-per-view is going to go? Not really. Itís a case by case scenario. If Froch had boxed in December, or November, you wouldnít have had this because you would have just had Froch. And what it would have been would be Brook [defending his world title, before he was stabbed] it was going to be Brook against X and Bellew against Cleverly in a double-header. I donít think that would have had as many moans. No one likes paying, but thatís just life.

One of the arguments is people already pay a lot for Sky?

Yes, but itís not a boxing channel is it? I appreciate everything that everyone is saying but ultimately like any product in any walk of life you will decide, just before you buy it, whether you should or not. And that decision is based upon whether youíre getting value or not. Itís sold 10,000 tickets in 48 hours, there is demand for this fight, there is demand for this night, and by the time the promotional tour has gone around and Sky have run their programmes, this is going to be a big night. And Iím very confident in it.

What would make it a success from a pay-per-view standpoint?

Forget Froch-Groves 2 numbers, that was a freak, in terms of numbers, we might never see that again. But I think realistically, with the fights that are on the card, and the quality thatís on the card, and the hype that particularly the main fight will get I donít think it will be too dissimilar to a Froch-Kessler. Who knows, it could catch fire.

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Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 10, 2014, 02:56:55 PM
Hearn thinks it could raise the same PPV numbers as Froch vs Kessler II ?

I would counter that by saying it's doesn't do 50% of that fight. There isn't a headline show stopper.

Linking the live gate with the TV numbers is not going to work in this equation.

It's not about Clev, or Bellew - they are just fighters trying to earn a living - it's about subscribers already paying a fortune in subs already and then are expected to pay for a weak card that has no business being on PPV supported by a weak card of disinteresting 'title' fights with has-beens and never-were.

I hear the £1m in purses being said too often during the defence of this card, when football has that much wage warming the bench.

Wembley was supposed to "inject money back into the sport for other big fights"  - what happened to that comment ?

Sorry Eddie, you have tons of credit on this board (mostly from me) but that dont wash.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Kevan2 on October 10, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
I'm just hoping that someone will know of a good stream.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 10, 2014, 03:12:27 PM
In terms of the card as a whole as it stands at the moment, I'm not sure it's that much better than the first card FW put on at the Copper Box.  That had: BJS v Ryder, Walsh v Murray, Chisora v Gerber, Butler v Gonzalez and a few domestic up and comers.

Aside from the 'world' titles kicking about on the Liverpool show, I wouldn't say there is enough between them to indicate it is PPV worthy as a 'night of boxing' as Eddie is selling it.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 10, 2014, 06:15:59 PM
Hearn thinks it could raise the same PPV numbers as Froch vs Kessler II ?

I would counter that by saying it's doesn't do 50% of that fight. There isn't a headline show stopper.

Linking the live gate with the TV numbers is not going to work in this equation.

It's not about Clev, or Bellew - they are just fighters trying to earn a living - it's about subscribers already paying a fortune in subs already and then are expected to pay for a weak card that has no business being on PPV supported by a weak card of disinteresting 'title' fights with has-beens and never-were.

I hear the £1m in purses being said too often during the defence of this card, when football has that much wage warming the bench.

Wembley was supposed to "inject money back into the sport for other big fights"  - what happened to that comment ?

Sorry Eddie, you have tons of credit on this board (mostly from me) but that dont wash.

Once they got the foot in the door he as always going to start taking the piss his Dad as done it with Snooker and Darts injected tons of money into both sports but look at both calendar's for both sports tourneys after tourneys all over the world ticket prices for Darts almost like a PL game now.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 13, 2014, 07:37:43 AM
Once they got the foot in the door he as always going to start taking the piss his Dad as done it with Snooker and Darts injected tons of money into both sports but look at both calendar's for both sports tourneys after tourneys all over the world ticket prices for Darts almost like a PL game now.

Change the record mate! Same thing every other post with you "Once he got his foot in the door they will take the piss" "His dad did it with the darts and snooker"

Of course they are in it to make as much as they can, the same as any other promoter in the sport. If they take the piss, people wont pay and/or sky will give their dates to someone else. Simple.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 13, 2014, 08:14:49 AM
Change the record mate! Same thing every other post with you "Once he got his foot in the door they will take the piss" "His dad did it with the darts and snooker"

Of course they are in it to make as much as they can, the same as any other promoter in the sport. If they take the piss, people wont pay and/or sky will give their dates to someone else. Simple.

No they won't though because Hearn as put most of his competitor's out of business. Hearn and Sky will test the water with this card and if it does anything above a profit expect them to roll out PPV's 3 or 4 times a year. The WWE put there main shows on PPV in the UK and they don't do great numbers and they are a Billion dollar operation and can afford to make losses in PPV because they recoup it in merchandise.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 13, 2014, 09:16:46 AM
No they won't though because Hearn as put most of his competitor's out of business. Hearn and Sky will test the water with this card and if it does anything above a profit expect them to roll out PPV's 3 or 4 times a year. The WWE put there main shows on PPV in the UK and they don't do great numbers and they are a Billion dollar operation and can afford to make losses in PPV because they recoup it in merchandise.

Which promoters has Hearn directly put out of business?



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on October 13, 2014, 09:19:27 AM
Got to agree with Laney here.  If the show is not worthy of PPV, folk won't buy it and they'll get their fingers burnt.  It really is as simple as that.  I know folk often begrudge the monopoly Matchroom have with Sky, but really, blame Sky for that.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 13, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
And things were so much better with Wazza, Hennessy, Maloney and at the end, Hatton all on the channel?

No of course not.

That was the driving factor for the cull - that promoters would rarely deal with one another or have meetings to discuss the great fights they could make between them.

It was a terrible time for British boxing, when the likes of Hatton / Witter, Calzaghe / Froch were all there to be made, but nobody forced the issue.

To give Hennessy some credit in all of this, he did try to force through his fighters into genuine fights but was always brushed aside by the more established promoters.

Khan fought a heap of nobodies like Gary St Clair at lightweight when there was John Murray and Jon Thaxton calling him out on a weekly basis. Khan was even pulled out of British title purse bids when it looked like he was about to be paired up with either of them.

Hatton fought some great fights, but a return against Lazcano was not very interesting if we are honest, in comparison to say Witter. I completely agree it was coming off a KO loss and all that, but it wasn't a good fight on paper at all.

It would seem back then that fights were hard to make - and now with box nation in the mix, the fights are nigh on impossible. The only one that springs to mind was Saunders vs Ryder were that was debunked. And even that gave way to mud slinging as Barry Hearn was accused of parking his flash bentley in the disabled spot outside the front door.  ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 13, 2014, 09:57:35 PM
Which promoters has Hearn directly put out of business?



Maloney was finished after Sky got rid of him he only stayed with Price because he had a contract to fulfil and thought he had a genuine chance of him being decent which was obviously a mistake. Hobson is he still in business now McDonnell fell for Hearn's bullshit and look at Hatton after Quigg left you could hold his shows in his gym he only as 1 decent fighter left in Rabchenko after everything he did for Sky making them a fortune he was told via a email he was out with Sky because they was giving a up and coming promoter the whole 16 dates and this Matchroom who previously just did Prizefighter and the odd date.
I think Eddie as done well building them into a powerhouse but he is just wanting to milk the fans for every penny. He as done some good shows and some wank ones but charging for fight pass is just another way of making a few quid and he as alienated a lot of fans with his arrogant attitude that paying for Sky Sports mean F*ck all when it comes to these PPV cards he wants to roll out regularly. He will happily let some shows lose money and then bullshit his way through making a PPV to off set costs for other shows.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 13, 2014, 10:12:47 PM
And things were so much better with Wazza, Hennessy, Maloney and at the end, Hatton all on the channel?

No of course not.

That was the driving factor for the cull - that promoters would rarely deal with one another or have meetings to discuss the great fights they could make between them.

It was a terrible time for British boxing, when the likes of Hatton / Witter, Calzaghe / Froch were all there to be made, but nobody forced the issue.

To give Hennessy some credit in all of this, he did try to force through his fighters into genuine fights but was always brushed aside by the more established promoters.

Khan fought a heap of nobodies like Gary St Clair at lightweight when there was John Murray and Jon Thaxton calling him out on a weekly basis. Khan was even pulled out of British title purse bids when it looked like he was about to be paired up with either of them.

Hatton fought some great fights, but a return against Lazcano was not very interesting if we are honest, in comparison to say Witter. I completely agree it was coming off a KO loss and all that, but it wasn't a good fight on paper at all.

It would seem back then that fights were hard to make - and now with box nation in the mix, the fights are nigh on impossible. The only one that springs to mind was Saunders vs Ryder were that was debunked. And even that gave way to mud slinging as Barry Hearn was accused of parking his flash bentley in the disabled spot outside the front door.  ;D

Adam Smith was to blame as Head of Boxing and a respected man within the sport he was responsible with others like Vic Wakeling and then Barney Francis to make sure that the dates should have been given to Promoters who where willing to make fights with other promoters.
W***** got a load of dates based on Calzaghe and Khan's popularity but surely Sky should have said that other dates he had for domestic fights should be possible to co promote with the likes of Hennessey or Hatton who had fighters of there own chasing British title shots. I went to a Maloney card at Wigan and it was quite good Jamie Moore, Jason Booth, Mark Thompson etc but it was all in house fighters against each other. They could have shared dates with Maloney/Hatton/Hennessey and let them match make there stables so the best fights could be made. If your reasonable with purses fighters get the exposure and ticket sales would be up. Hatton thought he could carry his company with his name but his stable of fighters never got any decent domestic fights that mattered. Hennessey jumped ship to CH5 but fighters like Froch got to big for him and he didn't have the clout dealing with the big boys. I honestly think if his deal falls through he ends up at BN him and W***** could make some cracking shows together.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 14, 2014, 09:22:21 AM
Maloney was finished after Sky got rid of him he only stayed with Price because he had a contract to fulfil and thought he had a genuine chance of him being decent which was obviously a mistake. Hobson is he still in business now McDonnell fell for Hearn's bullshit and look at Hatton after Quigg left you could hold his shows in his gym he only as 1 decent fighter left in Rabchenko after everything he did for Sky making them a fortune he was told via a email he was out with Sky because they was giving a up and coming promoter the whole 16 dates and this Matchroom who previously just did Prizefighter and the odd date.
I think Eddie as done well building them into a powerhouse but he is just wanting to milk the fans for every penny. He as done some good shows and some wank ones but charging for fight pass is just another way of making a few quid and he as alienated a lot of fans with his arrogant attitude that paying for Sky Sports mean F*ck all when it comes to these PPV cards he wants to roll out regularly. He will happily let some shows lose money and then bullshit his way through making a PPV to off set costs for other shows.

Its not Eddies fault that Sky cut Maloney's dates. In parallel, Sky do not have an obligation to keep giving promoters dates. They made a business decision in not giving Maloney any more dates. This is always a risk in the promoting business and is the responsibility of the promoter to mitigate that risk i.e. by finding another broadcaster, which they did with Boxnation. The demise of Maloney promotions is Maloneys fault, no one elses.

What "bullshit" of Hearn did McDonnell fall for? Another world title shot on one of the biggest bills in British boxing histroy and no doubt a career high pay day? Better than the Hobson "bullshit" of a fight in front of a couple of thousand in an otherwise empty stadium that was broadcast on a PPV porn channel.

As for Hatton, same story as Maloney. Just because Hatton made Sky a lot of money as a fighter, doesnt mean Sky have an obligation to TV dates as a promoter. If Hattons long term plan was to get into promoting, he should have wrapped in a long term TV deal for his promotional company in with his deal for the Pacquiao fight.

If Eddie doesnt deliver value, people wont pay and he will fail as a business. I dont personally have fightpass as I dont think its value, but if others have it and it is financially viable, it will continue. People moaned about the ticket situation for Froch v Kessler II, Fightpass addresses this and at least gives people the option. Its up to the consumers if they wish to purchase. Of course Eddie wants to make money, he's a business man! As Carl Froch would say (and now Tony Bellew in every other sentance)... its as simple as that!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on October 14, 2014, 09:12:37 PM
Another 'big' name to be added to card next week according to Hearn.

David Haye comeback possibly?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jimjack on October 14, 2014, 09:14:20 PM
Another 'big' name to be added to card next week according to Hearn.

David Haye comeback possibly?

It'll be someone with a double barreled surname.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 14, 2014, 09:24:57 PM
Another 'big' name to be added to card next week according to Hearn.

David Haye comeback possibly?
Do you think this was the plan all along or he has seen the fall out and had to re - think?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on October 14, 2014, 09:50:21 PM
Do you think this was the plan all along or he has seen the fall out and had to re - think?

If it is him I really doubt it was part of the original plan or they would have announced him at the time.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: grizzlyadams on October 14, 2014, 09:57:35 PM
It'll be someone with a double barreled surname.

Mr Jim-Jack?  :D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: son of bonters on October 15, 2014, 01:20:51 AM
Another 'big' name to be added to card next week according to Hearn.

David Haye comeback possibly?

Rumors abound that it is Haye.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on October 15, 2014, 08:02:08 AM
Rumors abound that it is Haye.

Shame really, that would stop me paying for it on principle.   >:(


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 15, 2014, 08:18:16 AM
Will Haye fight on an undercard or demand top billing ?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 15, 2014, 08:28:50 AM
If Haye were to make an appearance, he would represent a proven PPV seller from a promotional point of view which can't be said for anyone else on the card.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 15, 2014, 08:43:41 AM
If it is him I really doubt it was part of the original plan or they would have announced him at the time.

Sorry I meant has he seen the backlash and had to go out to bring more big names on board, not specifically Haye


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 15, 2014, 09:28:29 AM
Haye would have to actually turn up and box, I hope he's aware of this if he has signed a deal.


Sounding as though Froch vs Chavez is also now happening, that's another ppv I bet.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on October 15, 2014, 09:42:19 AM
If Haye were to make an appearance, he would represent a proven PPV seller from a promotional point of view which can't be said for anyone else on the card.

Agreed. Hearn has to seek a fighter from outside his stable to sell a PPV event..! Talk that there are over £1M in purses isn't the public's problem and shows perhaps Hearn is over paying certain fighters.

If it is Haye on the undercard, wouldn't surprise me if the marketing changes around the "comback of David Haye" and ultimately it would be about Haye and not this "grudge" match between Bellew & Clev.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 15, 2014, 11:22:39 AM
How can Clev and Bellew split £1 million between them obviously I way have read this wrong and this is the combined purses for ALL the fighters who are participating in Liverpool.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on October 15, 2014, 12:12:07 PM
This I read (Red?) £1M for the whole card which is still big money.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 15, 2014, 12:16:48 PM
This I read (Red?) £1M for the whole card which is still big money.

Yeah, it was across the card.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on October 15, 2014, 05:16:41 PM
Just see Jim White talking about IT on sky sports. They put both fighters records up and they still have cleverly as undefeated  ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 15, 2014, 05:26:13 PM
Just see Jim White talking about IT on sky sports. They put both fighters records up and they still have cleverly as undefeated  ;D

Shocking if true.

Perhaps they are overlooking his *cough* boxnation career.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on October 15, 2014, 07:15:26 PM
Shocking if true.

Perhaps they are overlooking his *cough* boxnation career.

White even said it when comparing. Cleverly still has his unbeaten record.

They had his KO loss as a draw. Mustve thought he was fighting in Germany  ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on October 15, 2014, 09:25:37 PM
If Haye were to make an appearance, he would represent a proven PPV seller from a promotional point of view which can't be said for anyone else on the card.

Haha, that sincerely is the funniest thing I've read on here in ages.  It was for my benefit, right?   ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on October 15, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
Haye ain't fighting in an undercard . Egos too big


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 16, 2014, 06:55:23 AM
In the mail online today it says barney Francis has personally rang Haye and groves asking them to appear on the under card


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on October 16, 2014, 07:51:15 AM
In the mail online today it says barney Francis has personally rang Haye and groves asking them to appear on the under card

Why don't they just bin the PPV element. Then it would be a decent card on Sky Sports 1 with good viewing figures. A loss leader to some extent but look at the profits that must have been made on the Froch v Groves bills.

I guess they are thinking that neither Bellew or Clev are likely to be PPV stars in the long term.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 16, 2014, 08:01:14 AM
Haha, that sincerely is the funniest thing I've read on here in ages.  It was for my benefit, right?   ;D ;D

My turn to buy you his calendar this year isn't it mate  ;D  I'd be willing to bet that if they put Haye v Barrett 2 as the main event this would still sell more PPV that if he wasn't on the card.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 16, 2014, 09:19:27 AM
Haye v Harrison II - Yes He Can


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 16, 2014, 09:19:52 AM
In the mail online today it says barney Francis has personally rang Haye and groves asking them to appear on the under card

Be good if Groves did, not bothered one bit about watching the toe fight.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 16, 2014, 09:22:22 AM
This solution that Barney Francis proposes is part of the problem.

Sky think that throwing more names at it makes it PPV. Wrong.

How about some proper fights? Actual competitive matches? This close to the event Haye and Groves would only accept gimme opponents. So what's the point?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 16, 2014, 09:47:22 AM
This solution that Barney Francis proposes is part of the problem.

Sky think that throwing more names at it makes it PPV. Wrong.

How about some proper fights? Actual competitive matches? This close to the event Haye and Groves would only accept gimme opponents. So what's the point?
Or are they just in panic mode after seeing the reaction to this being ppv and instead of losing face and removing the ppv they are trying anything they can


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 16, 2014, 09:48:28 AM
This solution that Barney Francis proposes is part of the problem.

Sky think that throwing more names at it makes it PPV. Wrong.

How about some proper fights? Actual competitive matches? This close to the event Haye and Groves would only accept gimme opponents. So what's the point?

I agree, if this is his answer, he's asking the wrong question.  To make it worth having them on the card it would need something along the lines of Groves v Dirrell and Haye v Chagaev which won't happen with five weeks notice and would change the nature of the whole promotion.

Decent opponents for Quigg (who appears to still be fighting TBA officially) and McDonnell from the outset may have avoided what now appears to be a desperate arse covering exercise.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 16, 2014, 09:59:27 AM
Probably this fight being PPV is perhaps the worst news for british boxing fans in a long time.

We are seen as chumps that will lap up anything.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 16, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
Probably this fight being PPV is perhaps the worst news for british boxing fans in a long time.

We are seen as chumps that will lap up anything.

It sets a precedent though if he can get away with this one expect 1 or 2 a year of these types of cards to be part of his 20 dates a year deal. When you see that Froch as 2 PPV dates for himself and then Brook - Khan and Frampton - Quigg as another you could easily be getting PPV rammed down our throats and him trying to justify it.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on October 16, 2014, 10:18:37 AM
Whos actually attending this?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 16, 2014, 10:21:37 AM
Whos actually attending this?

I'm going up for it with my brother.  Got a mate who lives in Liverpool who's Mrs is going to drop their first nipper early next year so using it as a chance to meet up with him before he's off the radar for a while as well.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 16, 2014, 10:23:24 AM
Whos actually attending this?

The odd one or two I know, but more for something to do.

The lion's share will be Bellew supporters etc local to the arena, then a few buses of Clev fans from Wales.

I think as a live gate it will be successful in a 10,000 arena - how it goes down with general fans outside of Liverpool and Wales remains to be seen.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on October 16, 2014, 10:31:09 AM
Lives not as bad as its about meeting up with mates and stuff and Liverpool is a great night out but PPV by yourself at home its horrendous.

That might sound odd but your talking to someone who been all the quigg fights ;-) So im getting used to crap cards


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 16, 2014, 11:05:25 AM
I agree, if this is his answer, he's asking the wrong question.  To make it worth having them on the card it would need something along the lines of Groves v Dirrell and Haye v Chagaev which won't happen with five weeks notice and would change the nature of the whole promotion.

Decent opponents for Quigg (who appears to still be fighting TBA officially) and McDonnell from the outset may have avoided what now appears to be a desperate arse covering exercise.

Agreed.

Quigg v Agbekpo and McDonnell in a genuine fight and you then perhaps do have a proper night of boxing.

Right now I forecast a series of walkovers and a domestic fight in the most boring division there is.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on October 16, 2014, 11:50:21 AM
In the mail online today it says barney Francis has personally rang Haye and groves asking them to appear on the under card

That is embarrassing tbh

Surely adding them to bill just increases the cost of the PPV they charge

If they'd left it at is and charged say 12.95 they'd get more buys but theyre obviously going with speculate-accumulate approach


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: stevenmason on October 16, 2014, 04:10:06 PM
Probably this fight being PPV is perhaps the worst news for british boxing fans in a long time.

We are seen as chumps that will lap up anything.

If we are all being honest that is exactly what most of us are. After the attendance of Haye v Harrison I won't be surprised at anything.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 16, 2014, 05:10:32 PM
Whos actually attending this?

Decided to take a ticket my cousin had going, never in a million years would I pay to watch it on TV.

Even buying a ticket I felt like I sold out to be honest.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on October 16, 2014, 08:20:27 PM
Decided to take a ticket my cousin had going, never in a million years would I pay to watch it on TV.

Even buying a ticket I felt like I sold out to be honest.

Think about that for a minute though, mucka.  Ok, I know there's a whole lot of socialising to be done by attending, but add in travel/food/ale to the ticket price and it makes no economical sense at all to shun the PPV/takeaway cost in favour of that?   ???


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jimjack on October 16, 2014, 10:07:04 PM
Whos actually attending this?

Decided on the eubank v Saunders fight instead. Further away, but just more appeal. F***ed if I'm ppv for this either.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 17, 2014, 08:12:14 AM
I saw this morning that Shingo Wake had pulled out of the fight with Quigg (I didn't know he had it to start with) so they are looking for yet another late replacement.  Gallagher said it wouldn't be Galahad though claiming he's not ready for it.  Although I imagine that he'd easily be as ready for it as whoever ends up opposite Quigg come fight night.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 17, 2014, 08:15:08 AM
I saw this morning that Shingo Wake had pulled out of the fight with Quigg (I didn't know he had it to start with) so they are looking for yet another late replacement.  Gallagher said it wouldn't be Galahad though claiming he's not ready for it.  Although I imagine that he'd easily be as ready for it as whoever ends up opposite Quigg come fight night.

According to Eddie the Wake fight wasn't even agreed. They're talking Hidenori Otake, I believe.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 17, 2014, 08:37:50 AM
I saw this morning that Shingo Wake had pulled out of the fight with Quigg (I didn't know he had it to start with) so they are looking for yet another late replacement.  Gallagher said it wouldn't be Galahad though claiming he's not ready for it.  Although I imagine that he'd easily be as ready for it as whoever ends up opposite Quigg come fight night.

Is Gallagher Quigg and other fighters manager too?

He certainly has a lot to say about opponents in interviews.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 17, 2014, 08:38:45 AM
According to Eddie the Wake fight wasn't even agreed. They're talking Hidenori Otake, I believe.

Otake would be a reasonable replacement.  It is starting to look like Quigg has just been stuck on the card as a 'name' with it appearing there was never any firm agreement for Agbeko or Wake.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 17, 2014, 08:45:55 AM
Is Gallagher Quigg and other fighters manager too?

He certainly has a lot to say about opponents in interviews.

I think all Gallagher cares about managing is having someone in the opposite corner who can help him maintain his ridiculous unbeaten run.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 17, 2014, 08:59:56 AM
Otake would be a reasonable replacement.  It is starting to look like Quigg has just been stuck on the card as a 'name' with it appearing there was never any firm agreement for Agbeko or Wake.

If W***** pulled that shit he'd be slated.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 17, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
I have been informed by someone on another forum there is major trouble brewing between Sky's UK Executives and Matchroom and Adam Smith. Sky aren't pleased by some business decisions certain people are making and a lack of big name fights they are unwilling to make.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 17, 2014, 09:21:59 AM
If ****** pulled that shit he'd be slated.

Especially considering this will be either the third or fourth Quigg fight where there has been a replacement fighter in the red corner.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 17, 2014, 09:39:06 AM
I have been informed by someone on another forum there is major trouble brewing between Sky's UK Executives and Matchroom and Adam Smith. Sky aren't pleased by some business decisions certain people are making and a lack of big name fights they are unwilling to make.

Hope so, things need a shake up again.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 17, 2014, 09:45:01 AM
Especially considering this will be either the third or fourth Quigg fight where there has been a replacement fighter in the red corner.
I feel sorry for Quigg here as he genuinely seems to want the big fights and keeps getting fed late replacements.

Reminds me a bit of Clev when we kept hearing "Hopkins next" from FW. And look where he is now!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 17, 2014, 10:17:20 AM
I feel sorry for Quigg here as he genuinely seems to want the big fights and keeps getting fed late replacements.

Reminds me a bit of Clev when we kept hearing "Hopkins next" from FW. And look where he is now!

Hearn was on about Rigo other day why doesn't he put him in with him. Quigg should get a decent fight at some point he wants Frampton but Eddie won't make the fight when clearly Frampton can make the fight at a moments notice. Eddie wants good money for Scott but lets be honest here you can't divide it up equally because Frampton sells x10 as many tickets as him and as a better resume. He is holding a world title he WON rather than handed to him when he fluked a DRAW for a vacant title.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: lurkyshaka on October 17, 2014, 10:30:07 AM
Quigg is talented and dangerous but lacks profile and so the big names aren't interested in fighting him as a win won't gain much credit and a loss to a relative unknown would be very damaging to them.....so the big name American based fighters just don't want to know.

Frampton is currently resting an injured hand, but he's in less rush than Quigg as he's in a more comfortable position as in Ireland he's in demand. He can take a soft first defense and get away with it. He's also better thought of in America from what i can gather so I think he feels Quigg needs him more than he needs Quigg.

I do feel sorry for Scott because I do believe he'd fight just about anyone. Think he needs to be more vocal himself on the subject. Have Matchroom's PR people contact the American media and try to drum up some hype for him. Be seen at some American fight cards and call out the big names. He's understated but i think he needs to make some noise outside the ring.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 17, 2014, 10:32:52 AM
Hearn was on about Rigo other day why doesn't he put him in with him. Quigg should get a decent fight at some point he wants Frampton but Eddie won't make the fight when clearly Frampton can make the fight at a moments notice. Eddie wants good money for Scott but lets be honest here you can't divide it up equally because Frampton sells x10 as many tickets as him and as a better resume. He is holding a world title he WON rather than handed to him when he fluked a DRAW for a vacant title.

What rationale is there behind Eddie being the one not wanting to make the fight?

He has been far more vocal about it that McGuigan.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on October 17, 2014, 10:34:23 AM
Is Gallagher Quigg and other fighters manager too?

He certainly has a lot to say about opponents in interviews.

He was on the Toe to Toe podcast the other week, saying that Smith v Abraham should happen at Anfield in the summer on PPV with a scouse undercard.

What is happening to boxing in Britian and all this stadium chat. Doing my head in.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on October 17, 2014, 10:36:24 AM
Hearn was on about Rigo other day why doesn't he put him in with him. Quigg should get a decent fight at some point he wants Frampton but Eddie won't make the fight when clearly Frampton can make the fight at a moments notice. Eddie wants good money for Scott but lets be honest here you can't divide it up equally because Frampton sells x10 as many tickets as him and as a better resume. He is holding a world title he WON rather than handed to him when he fluked a DRAW for a vacant title.

I think perhaps Eddie is paying top dollor or at least promising top dollar to all his fighters.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 17, 2014, 10:57:05 AM
I imagine Barry needs to needs a big split in Frampton's favour in order to get him parity financially (net).  Quigg is self managed and doesn't have a lot of hangers on so could probably clear for an undercard fight what Frampton did when he won the title.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 17, 2014, 11:01:38 AM
What rationale is there behind Eddie being the one not wanting to make the fight?

He has been far more vocal about it that McGuigan.
I wonder if he thinks Frampton would beat Quigg? Promoters can make a lot of noise without producing anything (FW with Hopkins next for Clev).

I honestly think with Quigg - Frampton, Eddie only wants it if it is Sky PPV, MEN Arena and with options on Frampton. That's only my thoughts and not based on anything but I don't think he has any intention of moving away from that from what he has said in interviews


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 17, 2014, 11:14:09 AM
I think perhaps Eddie is paying top dollor or at least promising top dollar to all his fighters.



There is nothing wrong with wanting to make the most money for his fighters and himself from the opportunities that arise in the sport.

But guess who pays the top money? the fans.

It's all about balance, give us something "worth paying for" and we will pay. Don't take your ball home and stick a show on PPV when it's not good enough for PPV because making money is the only focus of your mind - and not what the customer wants.

You'd not pay £23 to enter an all-you-can eat buffet restaurant, to discover that the food was all gone - but you can pay an extra £17 on top for a chip butty would you?

You'd pay it because your starving, but afterwards the feeling of getting shafted remains. Even if it's the best chip butty you've eaten in years - no butty is worth £17 !


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 17, 2014, 11:21:30 AM
Quigg is talented and dangerous but lacks profile and so the big names aren't interested in fighting him as a win won't gain much credit and a loss to a relative unknown would be very damaging to them.....so the big name American based fighters just don't want to know.

Frampton is currently resting an injured hand, but he's in less rush than Quigg as he's in a more comfortable position as in Ireland he's in demand. He can take a soft first defense and get away with it. He's also better thought of in America from what i can gather so I think he feels Quigg needs him more than he needs Quigg.

I do feel sorry for Scott because I do believe he'd fight just about anyone. Think he needs to be more vocal himself on the subject. Have Matchroom's PR people contact the American media and try to drum up some hype for him. Be seen at some American fight cards and call out the big names. He's understated but i think he needs to make some noise outside the ring.

I get the feeling Matchroom have no knowledge or interest in anything other than domestic stadium fights once a fighter has a world title.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 17, 2014, 11:23:48 AM
He was on the Toe to Toe podcast the other week, saying that Smith v Abraham should happen at Anfield in the summer on PPV with a scouse undercard.

What is happening to boxing in Britian and all this stadium chat. Doing my head in.



He's an absolute prick if he genuinely thinks that.

I've an awful lot of time for Smith. shit, I even went over for the fight. But let's get this right, he was an undeserving mandatory who got the rough end on Judge's cards but still lost the fight in the eyes of most - just lost it closer than the Judge's had it.

How that translates into a stadium PPV fight I'll never know.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 17, 2014, 11:50:10 AM
What rationale is there behind Eddie being the one not wanting to make the fight?

He has been far more vocal about it that McGuigan.

He is wanting both fighters to make the same money and as asked for options on Frampton's next fight. McGuigan knows Frampton will smoke him so why let Eddie make more money out of Scott. Frampton as no TV deal at the moment from what I have heard Khan, Frampton, Haye and Murray could all sign deals with Sky without any involvement from Hearn. One fight said to have frustrated Sky is that Macklin - Lee never happened despite a verbal agreement it was to be made by Hearn.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 17, 2014, 12:06:32 PM
Just an absolute shambles this card - absolutely going nowhere. Which fight is PPV worthy there??

Tony Bellew v Nathan Cleverly
James DeGale v Marco Antonio Periban
Scott Quigg v TBC
Callum Smith v Nikola Sjekloca
Jamie McDonnell v Walberto Ramos
Anthony Joshua v Michael Sprott
Stephen Smith v TBC


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 17, 2014, 12:16:11 PM
McGuigan knows Frampton will smoke him

knows?

Make the fight then, make more than you've ever made, then move on to bigger things ..... if he knows.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 17, 2014, 12:47:38 PM
McGuigan knows Frampton will smoke him

Really???

McGuigan has done all the talking for the last few years and now don't hear a word out of the little fella when it makes sense for the fight to happen - find it very bizarre myself.

Knew this fight wouldn't happen and McGuigan is the Man stopping it happening.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 17, 2014, 12:50:23 PM
knows?

Make the fight then, make more than you've ever made, then move on to bigger things ..... if he knows.

You know good and well it never works like that.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 17, 2014, 04:16:15 PM
You know good and well it never works like that.

I do.

That's why I wouldn't say stupid stuff like "knows".

Haye knew he'd bang Enzo out so he took the fight for mega money. Floyd knows he's got the beating of everybody he faces.

Both Quigg and Frampton will be supremely confident. "Knows" is totally different.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on October 17, 2014, 04:29:42 PM
I do.

That's why I wouldn't say stupid stuff like "knows".

Haye knew he'd bang Enzo out so he took the fight for mega money. Floyd knows he's got the beating of everybody he faces.

Both Quigg and Frampton will be supremely confident. "Knows" is totally different.

I recall Haye was going to move to Heavyweight but then Fwank offered him £450k (think i read that sum in Boxing News) to face Enzo. So he stayed and banged him out in 2 rounds. Haye didn't even turn up to a few press conferences as he claimed he was sleeping during the day as the fight was post midnight so he wanted his body to adjust.

Not sure Eddie can command 50/50 for Quigg. All that talk of the Manchester showdown with Quigg, John Murray, Crolla and a few others and the arena was half full.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Buckers on October 17, 2014, 08:54:50 PM
I recall Haye was going to move to Heavyweight but then Fwank offered him £450k (think i read that sum in Boxing News) to face Enzo. So he stayed and banged him out in 2 rounds. Haye didn't even turn up to a few press conferences as he claimed he was sleeping during the day as the fight was post midnight so he wanted his body to adjust.

Not sure Eddie can command 50/50 for Quigg. All that talk of the Manchester showdown with Quigg, John Murray, Crolla and a few others and the arena was half full.


Pretty sure Haye was playing on moving up to heavyweight to get a better deal out of Frank.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on October 17, 2014, 09:17:51 PM
Pretty sure Haye was playing on moving up to heavyweight to get a better deal out of Frank.

Didn't he already move to hw before the Enzo fight and then came back down to cruiser to fight him?  I think his fight before Enzo was against Tomas Bonin at HW


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on October 17, 2014, 09:43:24 PM
Is Gallagher Quigg and other fighters manager too?

He certainly has a lot to say about opponents in interviews.

I do know that Callum Johnson refers to Gallagher as his trainer and manager these days.  I have to confess, I've never really understood what a 'manager' does for a fighter.  Surely it's the promoter's job to 'manage' him as well?  Of course, in Callum's case, he doesn't actually have a promoter!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 17, 2014, 10:41:52 PM
knows?

Make the fight then, make more than you've ever made, then move on to bigger things ..... if he knows.

Eddie is the one who wants options on Frampton's next fight. To my knowledge there as been no offer on the table of a one off fight. I believe FW made Quigg a offer that was £200k in June 2013 shortly after he left Hatton Promotions and Quigg and Hearn dismissed it. For Quigg to let Hearn dismiss a £200k purse when he as probably not earned that in his last 3 or 4 fights is pretty much why Hearn thinks he can still make Quigg a bigger name over a period of time when he can justify getting parity in the % of the purses if a Frampton fight ever materialises. If you divided what both bring to the table Frampton as him over a barrel a legitimate world title and probably x10 as many fans who would buy a ticket if it was staged in any arena in the UK is why McGuigan is playing hardball and prepared to wait until Hearn gets realistic.
Does anyone think a fight could get signed tomorrow and Hearn would be happy for Quigg to get a 30% purse because that is pretty much what he is worth at best when you start valuing who brings what to the table.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on October 18, 2014, 09:15:29 AM
I hate all this talk of who brings what to the table, and greedy wrangling over who gets more money.  They're both top fighters, everyone wants to see it, they both get in the ring and put their health and welfare on the line for our entertainment.  There's perfectly legitimate reasons why Frampton attracts bigger crowds, he's got no real competition for his fanbase and McGuigan has hyped him to hell.  50/50 is the only sensible solution, and if the match-up fails because of money, more fool them.  That is all


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 18, 2014, 10:52:59 AM
I hate all this talk of who brings what to the table, and greedy wrangling over who gets more money.  They're both top fighters, everyone wants to see it, they both get in the ring and put their health and welfare on the line for our entertainment.  There's perfectly legitimate reasons why Frampton attracts bigger crowds, he's got no real competition for his fanbase and McGuigan has hyped him to hell.  50/50 is the only sensible solution, and if the match-up fails because of money, more fool them.  That is all

Absolutely bang on.

And just to give it even more perspective - this isn't Mayweather, this isn't Pacquiao, this isn't even Ricky Hatton. This is Carl Frampton, a man who got paid significantly less than Kiko Martinez in his last fight.

It's absolutely ludicrous ego to put money in the way of a fight which basically decides who is the third best fighter in the division.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Kevan2 on October 18, 2014, 11:36:21 AM
I hate all this talk of who brings what to the table, and greedy wrangling over who gets more money.  They're both top fighters, everyone wants to see it, they both get in the ring and put their health and welfare on the line for our entertainment.  There's perfectly legitimate reasons why Frampton attracts bigger crowds, he's got no real competition for his fanbase and McGuigan has hyped him to hell.  50/50 is the only sensible solution, and if the match-up fails because of money, more fool them.  That is all
   lol it my day to agree with you. as above.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 18, 2014, 03:36:49 PM
Does anyone think a fight could get signed tomorrow and Hearn would be happy for Quigg to get a 30% purse because that is pretty much what he is worth at best when you start valuing who brings what to the table.

May as well knock making any decent fights on the head if you think Quigg should get 30%. This fight brings in a big crowd period whether it is in Northern Ireland or England.

The Northern Irish follow anyone who is half decent because they are so deprived of any decent Sports Stars. McGuigan is stopping this fight happening.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on October 18, 2014, 04:00:43 PM
May as well knock making any decent fights on the head if you think Quigg should get 30%. This fight brings in a big crowd period whether it is in Northern Ireland or England.

The Northern Irish follow anyone who is half decent because they are so deprived of any decent Sports Stars. McGuigan is stopping this fight happening.

The fact that you say Northern Irish supposedly back any decent sports stars has nothing to do with anything, why should that even be mentioned ?

They are there and in numbers that pay money. Quigg hasn't the same following that offers that so it's something in Framptons favour when negotiating.

The difference now in the negotiations is Carl holding the better belt and they can say no to Hearns demands and biased offers that they undoubtably offered before when only Quigg had a version of a world title. Now they can say we have a title too and no we don't want it in Manchester with rematch clauses and everything in your favour, we want this.....It's business, that's not stopping a fight from happening, that's looking after your own interest and not being pushed around.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 18, 2014, 04:31:53 PM
I can never accept a good fight not being made over an argument over basically who has a bigger dick.

As long as you're happy what you're getting paid what does it matter what the other guy is getting?

We can go round and round on this all day. They are both world champions. They make far more money fighting each other than anybody else so make it 50/50 and get on with it.

Frampton may be a big name. But he's a bigger name when fighting Quigg and vice versa.

Screw McGuigan, Screw Hearn, stop being dicks and make the fight.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 18, 2014, 04:38:20 PM
I love how framptons support is down played simply due to Ireland not having a great deal of sports stars to get behind.

Yet quigg is from a place that has pretty much been the centre for British boxing for a good few years and yet he still could not sell out a double decker bus with or without a world title.


For me frampton does deserve the bigger split, and none of this options on the other fighter crap. If Carl gets the bigger split it can happen in Manchester and everyone should be happy.

If you bring more to the table, you deserve a slightly bigger piece of the pie.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 18, 2014, 04:52:57 PM
The fact that you say Northern Irish supposedly back any decent sports stars has nothing to do with anything, why should that even be mentioned ?

I'll be honest I don't give a flying F*ck who gets what, I just want to watch the fight. To me for all the talking and classless words spoken by the Frampton camp after they beat Martinez for the title they have just gone missing!!

I am not having a dig at the Northern Irish, I just mean that McGuigan will just line up some shitty defence's now and rip the fans of a cracking unification fight in Belfast, Manchester, London or wherever. I mean how bad was the undercard (if you can call it that!) for Frampton v Martinez fight!!?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on October 18, 2014, 05:04:32 PM
I'll be honest I don't give a flying F*ck who gets what, I just want to watch the fight. To me for all the talking and classless words spoken by the Frampton camp after they beat Martinez for the title they have just gone missing!!

I am not having a dig at the Northern Irish, I just mean that McGuigan will just line up some shitty defence's now and rip the fans of a cracking unification fight in Belfast, Manchester, London or wherever. I mean how bad was the undercard (if you can call it that!) for Frampton v Martinez fight!!?

And who will Quigg fight !?!? He has Hardly been fighting p4p fighters himself after winning the title in the mail, It won't be just Frampton ( if indeed he does ) who fights some shitty defences like you say.

I agree we all want to see the fight but it's boxing politics and stubborn promoters, it's not all at Barry's door like you are saying it it, Hearn is as much to blame if it doesn't happen as he will I'm sure be asking for the best for his fighter like Barry will be.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 18, 2014, 05:19:50 PM
I'll be honest I don't give a flying F*ck who gets what, I just want to watch the fight. To me for all the talking and classless words spoken by the Frampton camp after they beat Martinez for the title they have just gone missing!!

I am not having a dig at the Northern Irish, I just mean that McGuigan will just line up some shitty defence's now and rip the fans of a cracking unification fight in Belfast, Manchester, London or wherever. I mean how bad was the undercard (if you can call it that!) for Frampton v Martinez fight!!?

Carl is injured, what can they do?

And at least his opponents turn up, and we don't have crap from the promoter saying a late notice step in will be his toughest fight yet.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on October 18, 2014, 05:35:08 PM
Same faces banging the Frampton deserves more drum... He ain't got sky behind him.

Are these the same people that said pac v floyd should be 50/50?  //


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 18, 2014, 05:35:58 PM
And who will Quigg fight !?!? He has Hardly been fighting p4p fighters himself after winning the title in the mail, It won't be just Frampton ( if indeed he does ) who fights some shitty defences like you say.

I agree we all want to see the fight but it's boxing politics and stubborn promoters, it's not all at Barry's door like you are saying it it, Hearn is as much to blame if it doesn't happen as he will I'm sure be asking for the best for his fighter like Barry will be.

Your missing my point, i'll leave it there!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jimjack on October 18, 2014, 06:13:50 PM
I hate all this talk of who brings what to the table, and greedy wrangling over who gets more money.  They're both top fighters, everyone wants to see it, they both get in the ring and put their health and welfare on the line for our entertainment.  There's perfectly legitimate reasons why Frampton attracts bigger crowds, he's got no real competition for his fanbase and McGuigan has hyped him to hell.  50/50 is the only sensible solution, and if the match-up fails because of money, more fool them.  That is all

Absolute spot on bonters.
If this is a mega money spinner they both think then 50% will be considerably more than either would get from another option.
They must remember 50% of a lot is still half of a lot... 80% of F*ck all is still F*ck all.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 18, 2014, 06:44:19 PM
Too be fair Hearn turned down Galahad for 400K and wanted 600K. I'd have good money Quigg hasnt got paid 25% of that figure so far in his career


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 18, 2014, 07:18:30 PM
Same faces banging the Frampton deserves more drum... He ain't got sky behind him.

Are these the same people that said pac v floyd should be 50/50?  //

Same could be said for those claiming quigg deserves a 50/50 split.

It sounds like we are getting to a stage though that any match room fighter should get a better split than they deserve as there promoter has a deal with sky. If Eddie adopts the same attitude I fear it will ruin many exciting possible match ups.

Let's not pretend like sky bust a guy to show quigg fights, I doubt they could care less only for matchrooms need to fill dates.

And I can't speak for others but I don't recall me saying nanny vs floyd should of been an equal split.

If quigg was to move to box nation would he deserve a 50/50 split?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jimjack on October 18, 2014, 07:22:17 PM
Same could be said for those claiming quigg deserves a 50/50 split.

It sounds like we are getting to a stage though that any match room fighter should get a better split than they deserve as there promoter has a deal with sky. If Eddie adopts the same attitude I fear it will ruin many exciting possible match ups.

Let's not pretend like sky bust a guy to show quigg fights, I doubt they could care less only for matchrooms need to fill dates.

And I can't speak for others but I don't recall me saying nanny vs floyd should of been an equal split.

If quigg was to move to box nation would he deserve a 50/50 split?

Kin ell Aaron. Any one would think your on the payroll. 😃
What's the atmos like?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 18, 2014, 07:26:05 PM
Quigg is a leisure centre fighter he doesn't have huge competition to sell tickets from other fighters in Manchester/Bury but he doesn't sell many tickets despite being a paper world champion. Hearn as managed to take some other fighters he as poached and made them bigger ie Froch, Groves, Brook and Crolla but with Quigg he is having to take a backwards step behind novice Olympians and none title domestic fights hence why he earns peanuts and always as done.
I don't see a single offer put to McGuigan that doesn't say there is X amount and NO options. Hearn is petrified that Frampton would take the money and run with a big fat cheque and Quigg's title that's why there as been no concrete or serious offer made. Hearn as proved he can make the big fights when everything is in favour with Frampton being so cagey about being tied in with Matchroom expect Hearn to come out with his usual clap trap about the McGuigan's not wanting the fight.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 18, 2014, 07:39:19 PM
Kin ell Aaron. Any one would think your on the payroll. 😃
What's the atmos like?

Hell of a lot better than a sports hall in Oldham  ;)


And Tito, agreed.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 18, 2014, 09:25:23 PM
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Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on October 19, 2014, 06:24:13 AM
Frampton is the bigger draw as it stand because he's the one with the momentum. If Quiggs opponents since winning the title had been of any note then he'd have the same momentum and would probably be selling out the MEN aswell. Eddie Hearn has let Scott Quigg down in my opinion, that's the way it looks anyway.

Sometimes I wonder if Quigg had stayed with Hatton would he have been further along in his career by now?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 19, 2014, 11:56:52 AM
Frampton is the bigger draw as it stand because he's the one with the momentum. If Quiggs opponents since winning the title had been of any note then he'd have the same momentum and would probably be selling out the MEN aswell. Eddie Hearn has let Scott Quigg down in my opinion, that's the way it looks anyway.

Sometimes I wonder if Quigg had stayed with Hatton would he have been further along in his career by now?

Quigg as fought on bigger shows with Hearn its a shame for him he doesn't have the personality to match his ability. When your playing second fiddle to Olympians and a pair of Cruiserweights then the question must be asked why his profile isn't much bigger considering he holds a world title. Jamie McDonnell is in the same position plenty of talent but couldn't sell out a decent sized arena if he tried.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 20, 2014, 11:23:49 AM
He is wanting both fighters to make the same money and as asked for options on Frampton's next fight. McGuigan knows Frampton will smoke him so why let Eddie make more money out of Scott. Frampton as no TV deal at the moment from what I have heard Khan, Frampton, Haye and Murray could all sign deals with Sky without any involvement from Hearn. One fight said to have frustrated Sky is that Macklin - Lee never happened despite a verbal agreement it was to be made by Hearn.

Havnt heard of Eddie wanting options on Framptons next fight? I know he wanted a rematch clause so that both Manchester and Belfast could stage the fight.

As for Khan, Frampton, Haye and Murray all being able to sign deals directly with Sky, again what is your source? I highly doubt that is on the table because if they were to do it, that would be circa 8 extra dates which is circa 40% higher than what they do at the moment. Where would they finance this from? They wouldnt take away Hearns dates as that is already contracted. They would then end up having to deal with 5 promoters in total (Matchroom, Goldenboy, Cyclone, Hayemaker and Golden Gloves) some of whom arent even based in the UK. Its a non-starter as far as im concerned.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 20, 2014, 12:05:13 PM
Eddie is the one who wants options on Frampton's next fight. To my knowledge there as been no offer on the table of a one off fight. I believe FW made Quigg a offer that was £200k in June 2013 shortly after he left Hatton Promotions and Quigg and Hearn dismissed it. For Quigg to let Hearn dismiss a £200k purse when he as probably not earned that in his last 3 or 4 fights is pretty much why Hearn thinks he can still make Quigg a bigger name over a period of time when he can justify getting parity in the % of the purses if a Frampton fight ever materialises. If you divided what both bring to the table Frampton as him over a barrel a legitimate world title and probably x10 as many fans who would buy a ticket if it was staged in any arena in the UK is why McGuigan is playing hardball and prepared to wait until Hearn gets realistic.
Does anyone think a fight could get signed tomorrow and Hearn would be happy for Quigg to get a 30% purse because that is pretty much what he is worth at best when you start valuing who brings what to the table.

To be fair, I think Frampton does bring more to the table in terms of fans, and he could sit pretty in Belfast and have a few gimme defences and make a few quid out of it, whereas Quigg doesnt have that luxury and certainly needs Frampton more than Frampton needs Quigg. With that said, Quiggs promoter has access to Sky PPV revnues, which financially will be worth more than 9,000 tickets in Belfast (assuming the fight takes place outside the summer months). Hearn seems to be trying to get the fight on, but its all been quiet from Team Frampton, admittidley probably because of the hand injury.

Quigg is a leisure centre fighter he doesn't have huge competition to sell tickets from other fighters in Manchester/Bury but he doesn't sell many tickets despite being a paper world champion. Hearn as managed to take some other fighters he as poached and made them bigger ie Froch, Groves, Brook and Crolla but with Quigg he is having to take a backwards step behind novice Olympians and none title domestic fights hence why he earns peanuts and always as done.
I don't see a single offer put to McGuigan that doesn't say there is X amount and NO options. Hearn is petrified that Frampton would take the money and run with a big fat cheque and Quigg's title that's why there as been no concrete or serious offer made. Hearn as proved he can make the big fights when everything is in favour with Frampton being so cagey about being tied in with Matchroom expect Hearn to come out with his usual clap trap about the McGuigan's not wanting the fight.


If the McGuigans want a fight with no options, why dont they make an offer to Eddie rather than keeping stum? Probably because they have no broadcaster/money behind them to support any offer.

Hearn has made fights against the odds before (Bute in Nottm for Froch as an example off the top of my head, believe Barker was a volantary for Martinez too). Id say if this fight doesnt happen in the next 6 months, its because of Frampton and in fairness, you can see why as he can take a few soft touch defences as it will be decent reward for little risk.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 20, 2014, 04:26:59 PM
I heard Frampton has made square root of eff all so far.

That's what happens when McGuigan, his daughter, his two sons are all on the pay roll as manager, secretary, PR and trainer.

It's not like they can split their costs across an entire stable, because Frampton is the only real cash generator they've got.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: 7777 on October 20, 2014, 05:32:28 PM
Frampton is the bigger draw as it stand because he's the one with the momentum. If Quiggs opponents since winning the title had been of any note then he'd have the same momentum and would probably be selling out the MEN aswell. Eddie Hearn has let Scott Quigg down in my opinion, that's the way it looks anyway.

Sometimes I wonder if Quigg had stayed with Hatton would he have been further along in his career by now?

 :o


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 20, 2014, 05:33:47 PM
I heard Frampton has made square root of eff all so far.

That's what happens when McGuigan, his daughter, his two sons are all on the pay roll as manager, secretary, PR and trainer.

It's not like they can split their costs across an entire stable, because Frampton is the only real cash generator they've got.

I know Barry and Shane are involved, is it true about the others?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 21, 2014, 10:59:57 AM
lets not try and make Hearn out to be top wheeler dealer for gis fighter. the moron has just turned down 400k to fight Galahad that in itself trumps anything any promoter has done for a very longtime. any news or replacement for Papa shango on nov 22nd?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 21, 2014, 11:20:35 AM
lets not try and make Hearn out to be top wheeler dealer for gis fighter. the moron has just turned down 400k to fight Galahad that in itself trumps anything any promoter has done for a very longtime. any news or replacement for Papa shango on nov 22nd?

That offer was made after it was announced Quigg was on the Bellew card. What was he supposed to do, pull him from the card? That offer was put in because it couldnt have been accepted.

Hearn has said he is willing to consider the fight with Galahad next year.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 21, 2014, 11:51:08 AM
Well considering he hasn't got an opponent and the opponent was shit awful yes. We could also go into as Hennesey said why they came back and asked for 600k so really it had nothing to do with being on said bill at all. If it was purely for being on the bill you don't ask for 600k


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 21, 2014, 12:00:35 PM
Well considering he hasn't got an opponent and the opponent was shit awful yes. We could also go into as Hennesey said why they came back and asked for 600k so really it had nothing to do with being on said bill at all. If it was purely for being on the bill you don't ask for 600k

You ask for £600k with a view to negotiatiting a good deal for his fighter next year.

If Hearn pulled Quigg off the Bellew card, there would be up-roar, theres no two ways about it.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 21, 2014, 12:02:41 PM
You ask for £600k with a view to negotiatiting a good deal for his fighter next year.

If Hearn pulled Quigg off the Bellew card, there would be up-roar, theres no two ways about it.

There already is uproar. Quigg wouldn't have made much difference.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 21, 2014, 12:04:07 PM
I would love to know when Eddie Hearn is planning on putting this PPV card together!!?

Nearly 4 weeks to go, plenty of time for a Journeyman to get a good training camp in before the Quigg fight!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 21, 2014, 12:05:12 PM
There already is uproar. Quigg wouldn't have made much difference.

Disagree. If Quigg was to be removed from the bill, it would make a big difference and the PPV would come under even further scrutiny.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 21, 2014, 12:06:45 PM
You ask for £600k with a view to negotiatiting a good deal for his fighter next year.

If Hearn pulled Quigg off the Bellew card, there would be up-roar, theres no two ways about it.




True Quigg v a Jamoye/Munyai/Silva type will probably turn this card from standard Sky Sports to PPV


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 21, 2014, 12:23:21 PM
Disagree. If Quigg was to be removed from the bill, it would make a big difference and the PPV would come under even further scrutiny.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, then. Quigg versus Otake makes no odds to a PPV, in my opinion. If he was fighting a top ten rated 122lber I'd probably agree with you. Turning down a huge payday to try and prop up a gash PPV is a bit selfish and I'd be pretty cheesed off if I were Quigg. Obviously we ain't privy to all the details and he may be in line for that fight next year. Or, as I personally suspect, Eddie is too proud to allow his fighters to go onto another British promoter's card. For that reason, we'll never see Quigg - Frampton unless it's on Sky. (Just my opinion)

Edit: Just seen Otake is rated #8 by Boxrec!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 21, 2014, 12:52:27 PM
I think we'll have to agree to disagree, then. Quigg versus Otake makes no odds to a PPV, in my opinion. If he was fighting a top ten rated 122lber I'd probably agree with you. Turning down a huge payday to try and prop up a gash PPV is a bit selfish and I'd be pretty cheesed off if I were Quigg. Obviously we ain't privy to all the details and he may be in line for that fight next year. Or, as I personally suspect, Eddie is too proud to allow his fighters to go onto another British promoter's card. For that reason, we'll never see Quigg - Frampton unless it's on Sky. (Just my opinion)

Edit: Just seen Otake is rated #8 by Boxrec!

In fairness, unless he takes on Frampton/Santa Cruz/Rigondeaux he is going to get stick.

As for Eddie letting him go on another promoters show, without doubt he would prefer it on his show, but if the money is right, I feel he would allow it. The difficulty the other British promoters have is their broadcaster cant put up the same money that Sky have.

On a seperate point, Frampton doesnt have a broadcaster at the moment.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on October 21, 2014, 12:54:12 PM
I think we'll have to agree to disagree, then. Quigg versus Otake makes no odds to a PPV, in my opinion. If he was fighting a top ten rated 122lber I'd probably agree with you. Turning down a huge payday to try and prop up a gash PPV is a bit selfish and I'd be pretty cheesed off if I were Quigg. Obviously we ain't privy to all the details and he may be in line for that fight next year. Or, as I personally suspect, Eddie is too proud to allow his fighters to go onto another British promoter's card. For that reason, we'll never see Quigg - Frampton unless it's on Sky. (Just my opinion)

Edit: Just seen Otake is rated #8 by Boxrec!

Didn't Hearn let Ryder fight BJS on a W***** card?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 21, 2014, 12:56:40 PM
Didn't Hearn let Ryder fight BJS on a W***** card?

Went to purse bids. I don't think he'd allow it otherwise. I have nothing to back this up with. Just a hunch.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 21, 2014, 01:04:13 PM
In fairness, unless he takes on Frampton/Santa Cruz/Rigondeaux he is going to get stick.

As for Eddie letting him go on another promoters show, without doubt he would prefer it on his show, but if the money is right, I feel he would allow it. The difficulty the other British promoters have is their broadcaster cant put up the same money that Sky have.

On a seperate point, Frampton doesnt have a broadcaster at the moment.

Iíd agree with you there. I was just having a nose at the top 20 and itís really weak. I actually like Mathebula as a fight for Quigg. I know heís over the hill but heíd pose some stylistic problems, heíd be cheap and heís also a former champion.

No, but Boxnation havenít closed the door on Frampton. Carlís team are just trying to find the best deal for him, I presume? If Frampton were to sign, say, a three fight deal with BN I just donít think Eddie would allow Quigg to fight on that channel. Iím just hypothesising, so have nothing to back this up with!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 21, 2014, 01:07:47 PM
I heard Frampton has made square root of eff all so far.

That's what happens when McGuigan, his daughter, his two sons are all on the pay roll as manager, secretary, PR and trainer.

It's not like they can split their costs across an entire stable, because Frampton is the only real cash generator they've got.



very different to what I've heard. Could all be hear say but just speaking to a bloke who is mates with Carl informs me Carl has just bought his new house cash. Like I say what I've heard


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 21, 2014, 01:13:55 PM


very different to what I've heard. Could all be hear say but just speaking to a bloke who is mates with Carl informs me Carl has just bought his new house cash. Like I say what I've heard

Can't imagine a terraced house in Belfast is too pricey! ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 21, 2014, 01:23:05 PM
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 21, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
Quigg still not having an opponent so late on is embarrasing, the guy is a "world champion" and yet is having his fights planned as though he is some young new prospect needing to be carefully managed.

This card is PPV and yet maybe the best fighter on the bill has no opponent, not long after a fight in wich he also faced a late replacement.

I think it's fair to say that Quiggs development/treatment under Matchroom the last 12/18 months has been pretty crap. The belt he has might as well be made of plastic, and is has added nothing to his profile due to continuing crap opponents on very average cards.

Joe Gallagher if he is Scotts manager needs to step up and tell matchroom that this is not good enough.

I don't want to go back into the quigg vs Frampton debate, but it's more a reason you can see why team frampton are unwilling for an even split when Scott could very well be going into having faced nobody for god knows how long.




Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 21, 2014, 02:24:11 PM
Quigg still not having an opponent so late on is embarrasing, the guy is a "world champion" and yet is having his fights planned as though he is some young new prospect needing to be carefully managed.

This card is PPV and yet maybe the best fighter on the bill has no opponent, not long after a fight in wich he also faced a late replacement.

I think it's fair to say that Quiggs development/treatment under Matchroom the last 12/18 months has been pretty crap. The belt he has might as well be made of plastic, and is has added nothing to his profile due to continuing crap opponents on very average cards.

Joe Gallagher if he is Scotts manager needs to step up and tell matchroom that this is not good enough.

I don't want to go back into the quigg vs Frampton debate, but it's more a reason you can see why team frampton are unwilling for an even split when Scott could very well be going into having faced nobody for god knows how long.




Agree that its bad that there is no opponent yet, but the opponent for Santa Cruz on the Mayweather undercard was also very late. I also recall Eddie mentioning that they offered to go over to Vegas to fight Santa Cruz on that show.

Sky did have Agbeko as the opponent on their website but this was never announced by Eddie.

I think its unfair to say Matchroom havnt treated him well. We has headlined 2 cards at the MEN. Admittedly, the opponents werent the best, but he has had the opportunity to try and become a draw financially, but he hasnt. Could be a personality thing, could be because he is a less glamorous division, but at least he has had the opportunity.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on October 21, 2014, 02:59:08 PM
Quigg still not having an opponent so late on is embarrasing, the guy is a "world champion" and yet is having his fights planned as though he is some young new prospect needing to be carefully managed.

This card is PPV and yet maybe the best fighter on the bill has no opponent, not long after a fight in wich he also faced a late replacement.

I think it's fair to say that Quiggs development/treatment under Matchroom the last 12/18 months has been pretty crap. The belt he has might as well be made of plastic, and is has added nothing to his profile due to continuing crap opponents on very average cards.

Joe Gallagher if he is Scotts manager needs to step up and tell matchroom that this is not good enough.

I don't want to go back into the quigg vs Frampton debate, but it's more a reason you can see why team frampton are unwilling for an even split when Scott could very well be going into having faced nobody for god knows how long.




V embarrassing. Usually a World Champion would be heading a show, not fighting a TBA with 4 weeks to go. Doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the PPV status if Quigg is on or not, especially considering he doesn't even have an opponent.

The PPV status should be downgraded to Sky Sports 1. Hearn was a massive advocate of that for Khan v that Irish fella a few years back, but Khan refused and moved onto that other PPV platform (Babestation sister channel or something).

Now Hearn finds himself in the exact same situation.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: lurkyshaka on October 21, 2014, 03:01:27 PM
Agree that its bad that there is no opponent yet, but the opponent for Santa Cruz on the Mayweather undercard was also very late. I also recall Eddie mentioning that they offered to go over to Vegas to fight Santa Cruz on that show.

Sky did have Agbeko as the opponent on their website but this was never announced by Eddie.

I think its unfair to say Matchroom havnt treated him well. We has headlined 2 cards at the MEN. Admittedly, the opponents werent the best, but he has had the opportunity to try and become a draw financially, but he hasnt. Could be a personality thing, could be because he is a less glamorous division, but at least he has had the opportunity.

Yeah I don't think its Matchrooms fault that Quigg is struggling to find quality opposition to fight.....i think its just a case of Quigg not being 'fashionable' at the moment despite being a quality fighter.

Not entirely sure why he's not caught the imagination since he's good to watch and has scored some impressive stoppages of late. But he's not the most charismatic in front of the camera and isn't controversial, he's a bit understated really and that might be part of the reason he's not more of a 'name'. As of the moment I think he's seen as high risk, low reward for the bigger names out there.

So I guess its a case of beating who they put in front of him. Shame because Quigg I feel would genuinely fight just about anyone and would be prepared to travel too. It must be testing his patience but I don't think Matchroom are to blame. Hopefully things will start to click into place for him soon and someone noteworthy will fight him....though at this late notice he's not going to land anyone significant for the Clev/Bell card.

Not for this card but perhaps Darchinyan might fancy a crack at him? Vic's at a stage in his career where surely he'd just be glad of a title shot and despite obviously a declining force he does still carry a bit of name value at least.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 21, 2014, 03:07:35 PM
Agree that its bad that there is no opponent yet, but the opponent for Santa Cruz on the Mayweather undercard was also very late. I also recall Eddie mentioning that they offered to go over to Vegas to fight Santa Cruz on that show.

Sky did have Agbeko as the opponent on their website but this was never announced by Eddie.

I think its unfair to say Matchroom havnt treated him well. We has headlined 2 cards at the MEN. Admittedly, the opponents werent the best, but he has had the opportunity to try and become a draw financially, but he hasnt. Could be a personality thing, could be because he is a less glamorous division, but at least he has had the opportunity.

He needs meaningful fights to become the draw, simply topping the bill at shows nobody cares about is not enough.

The fact he never fought to win his title probably did him no favours, he never had the chance to be billed in a big title fight and that's not changed after getting given the belt.

Santa Cruz has established his name in America, he's being talked about in big fights and is doing well. Scott does not seem to get mentioned as often as his rivals IMO and I don't think that's due to the other guys being scared.

I posted reports of rigos team chasing him a few weeks back and it's been silent from quiggs team. Granted he'd lose to rigo but at least he could of put his name out there.

I fear that other than frampton the other guys view Scott as not being worth the risk with him having little to offer. His belt is rigos hand down and his resume is filling up with unknowns on undercard a or poor shows like his last Manchester fight.


Maybe his team are putting all there hopes on landing the frampton fight, for Scott's sake I hope he gets it or he might well miss out on some great fights in his division.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: lurkyshaka on October 21, 2014, 03:09:26 PM
V embarrassing. Usually a World Champion would be heading a show, not fighting a TBA with 4 weeks to go. Doesn't make a blind bit of difference to the PPV status if Quigg is on or not, especially considering he doesn't even have an opponent.

The PPV status should be downgraded to Sky Sports 1. Hearn was a massive advocate of that for Khan v that Irish fella a few years back, but Khan refused and moved onto that other PPV platform (Babestation sister channel or something).

Now Hearn finds himself in the exact same situation.

Agreed on that.....at this point in time the card simply isn't PPV worthy despite what the pre-build up plan was of having a load of quality world class matchup. Eddie said judge the value of the card when its all been announced and I went along with that, but I think now he has to hold his hands up and admit he's had problems nailing down 'name' fighters to come and fight the likes of Quigg etc...so the card will now be on regular SKY. It'd be the right thing for him and SKY to do....though not sure who has most control over that issue. But someone needs to be honest and be fair with the subscribers.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 21, 2014, 03:16:48 PM
He needs meaningful fights to become the draw, simply topping the bill at shows nobody cares about is not enough.

The fact he never fought to win his title probably did him no favours, he never had the chance to be billed in a big title fight and that's not changed after getting given the belt.

Santa Cruz has established his name in America, he's being talked about in big fights and is doing well. Scott does not seem to get mentioned as often as his rivals IMO and I don't think that's due to the other guys being scared.

I posted reports of rigos team chasing him a few weeks back and it's been silent from quiggs team. Granted he'd lose to rigo but at least he could of put his name out there.

I fear that other than frampton the other guys view Scott as not being worth the risk with him having little to offer. His belt is rigos hand down and his resume is filling up with unknowns on undercard a or poor shows like his last Manchester fight.


Maybe his team are putting all there hopes on landing the frampton fight, for Scott's sake I hope he gets it or he might well miss out on some great fights in his division.

Thats the crux of the matter I feel, he is too high risk for little reward. If he packed out the MEN or even half filled it, he would be able to pay the money for the decent opponents to come over.

Plenty of fighters past and present have fought relative no marks and still pack in the fans. Warrington is a good example of that in some respects.

As for Rigo, im sure everyone in the division would be chomping at the bit if the loss on the record came with a payday, but the money isnt there and it isnt worth the risk.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 21, 2014, 08:45:38 PM
The Galahad offer was to fight in DUBAI , not in the UK where it makes obvious sense.

They're like 4-5 hours ahead from memory, so UK time the fight would be on about 5pm or earlier.

Good offer, but nowhere near straightforward.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 21, 2014, 10:15:02 PM
Thats the crux of the matter I feel, he is too high risk for little reward. If he packed out the MEN or even half filled it, he would be able to pay the money for the decent opponents to come over.

Plenty of fighters past and present have fought relative no marks and still pack in the fans. Warrington is a good example of that in some respects.

As for Rigo, im sure everyone in the division would be chomping at the bit if the loss on the record came with a payday, but the money isnt there and it isnt worth the risk.

He's either too high risk or just not worth it worryingly.

Gallagher is saying how kid Galahad need twelve or 18 months, yet in four weeks time Scott will face an unknown opponent in another fight that does diddly squat for his career or reputation.
After the fight we will be given talks of this and that guy, but I have genuine doubts about any of those fights happening.

I don't blame Scott for this stalling in his career, but I think he needs to find his voice soon and speak up.

For me Eddie appears far more interested in Luke Campbell and Anthony Joshua than a guy who should be competing now at the level those two hope to reach.

In four weeks quigg a world champion is on the undercard of a domestic none title fight against an unknown opponent and most likely a half empty arena. Not the world championship reign he dreamed of I'd imagine. More so when he's following in the foot steps of britains most popular fighter who is from the same city as him.

He wins next month nobody really cares. He loses frampton is gone, his belt is gone and any hope of building him into any sort of name vanishes. He loses all that when unfortunatley very few cared that he had it in the first place.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 22, 2014, 08:20:19 AM
He's either too high risk or just not worth it worryingly.

Gallagher is saying how kid Galahad need twelve or 18 months, yet in four weeks time Scott will face an unknown opponent in another fight that does diddly squat for his career or reputation.
After the fight we will be given talks of this and that guy, but I have genuine doubts about any of those fights happening.

I don't blame Scott for this stalling in his career, but I think he needs to find his voice soon and speak up.

For me Eddie appears far more interested in Luke Campbell and Anthony Joshua than a guy who should be competing now at the level those two hope to reach.

In four weeks quigg a world champion is on the undercard of a domestic none title fight against an unknown opponent and most likely a half empty arena. Not the world championship reign he dreamed of I'd imagine. More so when he's following in the foot steps of britains most popular fighter who is from the same city as him.

He wins next month nobody really cares. He loses frampton is gone, his belt is gone and any hope of building him into any sort of name vanishes. He loses all that when unfortunatley very few cared that he had it in the first place.

Id agree that Galahad probably does need 12/18 months in order to make the fight bigger, but as you say is Quigg is fighting a no-mark, he may aswell fight Galahad. However, before we speculate too much on the Quigg opponent, lets wait until its announced first.

What speaking up would you want Quigg to do? Demand the rigo fight, probably for a career high pay day, but where would his career be after that? Same with Frampton, if he were just accept 80/20 or 70/30, in Belfast and lose, where would he be then, from both a career and financial point of view?



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 22, 2014, 11:55:23 AM
I think we can safely say Quigg will once again be massive odds on come November 22nd. No speculation needed


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 22, 2014, 12:01:34 PM
Id agree that Galahad probably does need 12/18 months in order to make the fight bigger, but as you say is Quigg is fighting a no-mark, he may aswell fight Galahad. However, before we speculate too much on the Quigg opponent, lets wait until its announced first.

What speaking up would you want Quigg to do? Demand the rigo fight, probably for a career high pay day, but where would his career be after that? Same with Frampton, if he were just accept 80/20 or 70/30, in Belfast and lose, where would he be then, from both a career and financial point of view?



Does not have to be rigo, but he could at least say he's not happy facing mediocre late notice opponents that are a hiding to nothing job for him.

A world champion with TBA opponent four weeks from fight night is pathetic.

I'd like to see him face Martinez or something like that.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 22, 2014, 12:34:23 PM

What speaking up would you want Quigg to do? Demand the rigo fight, probably for a career high pay day, but where would his career be after that? Same with Frampton, if he were just accept 80/20 or 70/30, in Belfast and lose, where would he be then, from both a career and financial point of view?


He is never going to Belfast and fighting for daft splits like that, makes absolutely no sense.

I think everyone gets schooled by Rigo so I think Quigg would gain a lot of respect by going in there and taking the fight and he will definitely be making decent money for fighting him - certainly a lot more than what he has made so far in his career.

Hearn has just made an absolute mockery of his fight in Liverpool, how you get to 4 weeks out without an opponent being named is just ridiculous. I understand guys get injured etc. but not even an announcement on a fight!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 22, 2014, 01:23:58 PM
Does not have to be rigo, but he could at least say he's not happy facing mediocre late notice opponents that are a hiding to nothing job for him.

A world champion with TBA opponent four weeks from fight night is pathetic.

I'd like to see him face Martinez or something like that.

Speaking out about not being happy isnt going to do him any good, just de-promote the fight and alert the casual fans to the reality of his situation. For all we know, he could be very happy, fighting very frequently for a world champion and picking up frequent pay cheques, even if they arent excessive.

Agree its a bit of a joke there is no opponent confirmed yet, but, Santa Cruz didnt have an opponent 4 weeks before his recent outing either, but he didnt take any flak. In-fact, Quigg/Hearn offered to go over at short notice, but it wasnt accepted, yet Santa Cruz doesnt get any stick? Seems that the easy thing for everyone to do at the moment is point the finger at Matchroom.

I think Martinez would be a good fight too. Que everyone saying he would just be facing Framptons left overs though. They will be criticised regardless unless they step in with Rigo/Frampton/Santa Cruz.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 22, 2014, 02:36:15 PM
Looks like the Otake fight has been confirmed for Quigg now.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 22, 2014, 02:48:15 PM
well that swings it for me well worth the PPV


Title: Quig vs Otake
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on October 22, 2014, 08:29:52 PM
Scott Quigg will defend his WBA super-bantamweight title against Japan's Hidenori Otake on the undercard of Cleverly-Bellew II next month.

Quigg's fifth defence will form part of the Sky Sports Box Office bill at the sold-out Echo Arena in Liverpool on November 22.

His opponent is a Japanese champion ranked third in the IBF list and fighting outside his home country for the first time in 26 contests (22-1-3).

Quigg told Sky Sports News: "I've not got too much footage of him so I'm not up to date with his style, but I know he's got good reviews and is highly thought of with the world governing bodies."

The Bury man's longer-term aim is an all-British showdown with Belfast's IBF champ Carl Frampton, and preliminary talks have taken place between the two camps.

"I know Eddie Hearn's spoken to the McGuigans (Frampton's representatives) - just early talks," Quigg said. "It's the fight all the fans want, it's the fight I want and the fight Carl Frampton wants so it's just about us getting that fight made.

"There are obstacles. I've got this November 22 fight and Carl has a mandatory defence in January or February.

"Once we both take care of business it's a fight that must happen - not only for British boxing but for me and Carl. We both deserve this massive fight and I truly believe I'd come out on top."

Quigg-Otake is the latest addition to next month's bill on a night when some of British boxing's biggest names will be in action.

Tony Bellew will be out to avenge his 2011 defeat to rival Nathan Cleverly in the cruiserweight main event, while Olympic gold medallists James DeGale and Anthony Joshua also return to the ring.

Yorkshire's WBA bantamweight champion Jamie McDonell and Liverpool brothers Callum and Stephen Smith are also confirmed, and promoter Hearn expects to announce another huge contest on Thursday.

http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/20876/9529134/cleverly-bellew-ii-scott-quigg-to-defend-world-title-against-japans-hidenori-otake (http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/20876/9529134/cleverly-bellew-ii-scott-quigg-to-defend-world-title-against-japans-hidenori-otake)


Title: Re: Quig vs Otake
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 23, 2014, 06:41:36 AM
I didn't expect anything less to be fair, 4 weeks out from a fight. Hearn needs to get some contingency plans in plans in place, just seems to have a name in his head to get for Quigg from the start and when that falls through he is just scrapping round to make a fight.

On IFL TV interview yesterday he said the fans "can't complain about that fight" - different planet that lad!

He is now going to add George Groves to the card in a keep busy fight to complete the Greatest Card in British Boxing History!!

Which will be beaten a week later by the Frank W***** card!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 23, 2014, 07:55:42 AM
I don't actually mind the Otake fight. He's better than some of the other shit that Quigg's fought.

Other than the main event, though, are any of the fights 50/50? This is what fucks me off with Matchroom cards, it's all showcase stuff. Froch being an exception.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 23, 2014, 08:36:05 AM
I don't actually mind the Otake fight. He's better than some of the other shit that Quigg's fought.

Other than the main event, though, are any of the fights 50/50? This is what fucks me off with Matchroom cards, it's all showcase stuff. Froch being an exception.

Otake is only ranked after Avalos by the IBF so imagine how good he would be if he were fighting Frampton.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 23, 2014, 08:46:17 AM
Otake is only ranked after Avalos by the IBF so imagine how good he would be if he were fighting Frampton.

Has he any good wins or ones that would provide hope he will make a half decent fight? I'll be honest I don't know much if anything about him.


Rankings however are now days not worth a great deal in finding out how good a fighter is, guys get to mandatory positions by facing very average opposition a lot of the time.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 23, 2014, 08:52:46 AM
Otake is only ranked after Avalos by the IBF so imagine how good he would be if he were fighting Frampton.

The IBFís rankings for 122lbs are pretty horrible, to be honest. Fightnewsí seem a lot better.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 23, 2014, 09:01:12 AM
The IBFís rankings for 122lbs are pretty horrible, to be honest. Fightnewsí seem a lot better.

I was just joshing mate.  I'd say Otake is probably top 10-15 independently so is at least respectable.

Has he any good wins or ones that would provide hope he will make a half decent fight? I'll be honest I don't know much if anything about him.


Rankings however are now days not worth a great deal in finding out how good a fighter is, guys get to mandatory positions by facing very average opposition a lot of the time.

No names that I recognise Aaron.  But Japanese boxing tends to operate in a bit of a vacuum for us.  Given that they probably have as many, if not more, world champs as we do I imagine most people would struggle to name any.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 23, 2014, 09:06:27 AM
Other than the main event, though, are any of the fights 50/50? This is what fucks me off with Matchroom cards, it's all showcase stuff. Froch being an exception.

Agree mate. Degale fight might be half decent but can't see him not winning. Quigg will blow this Otake lad away or win a UD as his record suggests he is not a puncher. Callum Smith will win early doors. Jamie McDonnell fight is just embarrassing. Groves likely in a keep busy fight. Joshua KO in 1 or 2 against Sprott. Stephen Smith probably just a filler now (bad times!)

Then next week on FW card you have 4 well matched fights!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on October 23, 2014, 03:44:29 PM
Groves vs a bum as well. So this is the route match room are going down? Names on cards vs shit opponents


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 23, 2014, 03:51:24 PM
With such a crap one sided card, the main event could be starting for half eight at this rate.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Cobra on October 23, 2014, 03:52:22 PM
With such a crap one sided card, the main event could be starting for half eight at this rate.
#missmatchroom ;)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on October 23, 2014, 03:55:07 PM
#missmatchroom ;)

I like that!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 23, 2014, 04:03:26 PM
#missmatchroom ;)

Farce pal, can see me starting to give there shows a miss unless snything really does appeal. Shame the boxnation card is not on sky as it's miles better.

Even there bill this weekend will probably have better scraps than the sky card.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 23, 2014, 05:18:08 PM
Groves is fighting a guy who is trained by his mum and very limited. It is hands down the worse PPV on paper I have ever heard. Who ever snipes at a FW show again remember this crock of shit Eddie is serving up


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 23, 2014, 05:49:49 PM
Eddie Hearn "If you bought a ticket for the Echo Arena, Congratulations" what a bell end!!

Just because you stick a load of decent names in British Boxing and match them up against guys they are all going to beat does not make it a PPV Card!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Kevan2 on October 23, 2014, 05:52:53 PM
Groves is fighting a guy who is trained by his mum and very limited. It is hands down the worse PPV on paper I have ever heard. Who ever snipes at a FW show again remember this crock of shit Eddie is serving up
Wont be buying it!!   This will make or break the ppv shite cards for the future. If the numbers are good for Matchroom with this card, then i'm afraid, the tone will have been set and boxing will out-price itself for me as a fan pretty damn quick.  If, on the other hand,....


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: stevenmason on October 23, 2014, 06:09:10 PM
Just say no.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 23, 2014, 06:51:59 PM
Anyone taking a guess on ppv buys?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 23, 2014, 07:44:16 PM
Anyone taking a guess on ppv buys?

Unless they are high they never release them. It takes a lot of money to license them then you have promotional costs, advertising in newspapers other media costs etc so its a big gamble for Matchroom/Sky. The problem is if this is successful its the straw that broke the camels back in terms of them justifying putting any decent fight on a PPV.
If you go through the forums I seriously doubt the hardcores will buy it be lucky to do 70,000 PPV's and if you talking over £1 million in purses then the sums already are against Eddie considering Sky get a big slice of the TV money.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 23, 2014, 08:45:29 PM
George Groves said "I'll fight anybody"

He wasn't kidding.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 23, 2014, 09:57:24 PM
I'm sure the Groves Brass Band will cheer his fans up with their stirring rendition of Dam Busters.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on October 24, 2014, 07:06:17 AM
Groves is fighting a guy who is trained by his mum and very limited. It is hands down the worse PPV on paper I have ever heard. Who ever snipes at a FW show again remember this crock of shit Eddie is serving up

FW PPV shows also include The Magnificent 7, Khan v Salita, Khan v Prescott, Groves vs DeGale.

This isnt the best show ever and it isnt PPV, but Eddie is only doing what others have done in the past (doesnt mean that its ok though).

FW was also talking on IFL the other day that Boxnation now has the capability to do PPV. Dont be surprised to see FW banging the PPV drum, especially if this does half decent numbers.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on October 24, 2014, 08:48:06 AM
FW PPV shows also include The Magnificent 7, Khan v Salita, Khan v Prescott, Groves vs DeGale.

This isnt the best show ever and it isnt PPV, but Eddie is only doing what others have done in the past (doesnt mean that its ok though).

FW was also talking on IFL the other day that Boxnation now has the capability to do PPV. Dont be surprised to see FW banging the PPV drum, especially if this does half decent numbers.

I think the BN PPV capability is through their HD channel as I have to put my PIN in whenever I want to record something on there.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Stevie J on October 24, 2014, 08:48:23 AM
Will save the money buying this and subscribe to Boxnation, it's got far better shows for November.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on October 24, 2014, 08:57:32 AM
And if our Frank does do PPV, you'll be extremely lucky if you end up watching the fights that were advertised originally!  Most of which were not even signed at the time of announcement.  I don't think Eddie and Matchroom are necessarily blameless, but to bang the drum for FW as the saviour with a conscience is just plain silly!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 24, 2014, 09:32:36 AM
They allow people to make one-off purchases without an account I believe.

Doubt they would jeopardise their subscriber base trying that.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 24, 2014, 09:42:44 AM
They allow people to make one-off purchases without an account I believe.

Doubt they would jeopardise their subscriber base trying that.
If he did do that it would finish Box Nation


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 24, 2014, 07:26:47 PM
They allow people to make one-off purchases without an account I believe.

Doubt they would jeopardise their subscriber base trying that.

They got feedback that a lot of casual fans were happier to subscribe for a Mayweather fight via PPV for a one off show than be tied down with a monthly fee and a connection fee on top. If people don't want to subscribe in the quitter months that is fair enough but they represent fantastic value for money £12 a month is nothing when the schedule is really good and they have added more stuff like military Boxing etc which is good to see.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on October 24, 2014, 07:37:22 PM
FW PPV shows also include The Magnificent 7, Khan v Salita, Khan v Prescott, Groves vs DeGale.

This isnt the best show ever and it isnt PPV, but Eddie is only doing what others have done in the past (doesnt mean that its ok though).

FW was also talking on IFL the other day that Boxnation now has the capability to do PPV. Dont be surprised to see FW banging the PPV drum, especially if this does half decent numbers.

The only way FW could retain Khan's services was with PPV a bit like Froch now with Hearn  ;). Do you think Froch - Groves 1 was a worthy PPV on paper ......me neither.
Your right it isn't the best show ever ...however it is PPV adding Groves and Degale to it means very little one is fighting a bum and Periban is hardly world beater either. Eddie thinks value for money is sticking 10 of his best fighters on a card giving 8 of them gimmes and 1 or 2 competitive matches. If people pay for it that's up to them but I know there will be a million and 1 streams for this card and despite his bullshit saving face when the numbers come in it won't do many judging what is being said on social media and the forums.
FW won't make BN a PPV channel for SUBSCRIBERS. They are looking to sell certain shows like the Mayweather fights via PPV to people who don't want to subscribe over 2 or 3 months and keep paying connection fees once a big fight comes round. Its simply a option to retain casual viewers who just want to watch and pay for fights on a occasional basis.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on October 25, 2014, 06:12:16 PM
I mentioned it previously and will say it again: Frank W*****'s 'Magnificent Seven' show back in 2010. 11 fights on card, 8 wins for 'home' fighters, 5 via KO. And there wasn't a world title fight in sight. People have short memories!

Speaking of which, stumbled across this article

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/frank-W*****-gone-off-the-rails-rickys-been-off-for-eight-years-2081444.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/frank-W*****-gone-off-the-rails-rickys-been-off-for-eight-years-2081444.html)

"Kell Brook number 1 challenger for Pacquaio if he wins"  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on October 26, 2014, 02:34:08 PM
I mentioned it previously and will say it again: Frank ******'s 'Magnificent Seven' show back in 2010. 11 fights on card, 8 wins for 'home' fighters, 5 via KO. And there wasn't a world title fight in sight. People have short memories!

Speaking of which, stumbled across this article

[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/frank-[/url]******-gone-off-the-rails-rickys-been-off-for-eight-years-2081444.html ([url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/frank-[/url]******-gone-off-the-rails-rickys-been-off-for-eight-years-2081444.html)

"Kell Brook number 1 challenger for Pacquaio if he wins"  ;D ;D ;D


Magnificent 7 ended up as the mediocre 4 from memory.

I remember falling asleep watching Macklin labouring away.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: grizzlyadams on October 26, 2014, 09:49:32 PM
Magnificent 7 was awful. I bought a ticket because it was meant to be Barker v Macklin, and alright that one falling through wasn't Fwanks fault, but the general standard was dire


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on October 27, 2014, 08:12:39 AM
Sheet thing about mag 7 was the kicking off in the crowd and Enzo almost being decapitated ..

Apart from that it was crap ..

Gatecrasher after it was a laugh though


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 27, 2014, 07:52:11 PM
Another embarrassing interview from Hearn regarding the PPV. Supposedly 80% of the feedback he is getting is positive, would love to know who these people are!!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeqdHVLpBig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeqdHVLpBig)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on October 27, 2014, 08:06:10 PM
I wouldn't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on October 27, 2014, 08:39:28 PM
I wouldn't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth.

Only kugan Cassius does I think.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on October 28, 2014, 10:24:22 AM
I can't watch ringside because it's going to be a none stop advert for this show. only reason Id go it would be to catch up with some mates before the year end..

Clevs got the personality of a dead dog. Bellew doesn't exactly float my boat either .. I feel sorry for quigg, Joshua seems to be on a never ending learning curve (I know he's Young but so what) and the rest ain't worth a mention even if they are decent fighters their opponents ain't


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Wilsonhammers on October 28, 2014, 11:36:52 AM
I've always ended buying ppv but not this time, what makes it even worse is Eddie Hearn keep going on about if you don't like don't buy it, but I'm a boxing fan and I pay my subs for fights like this, it's not that I don't won't to watch it I just feel I shouldn't pay for it on top of my sky bill, let's face it clev hasn't been the same since he lost and bello all ways gives it the big un, and then there's the fake grudge match thing which I don't buy into, all in all poor attitude from sky/matchroom, defently  won't pay for this


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: BurnleyHitman on October 28, 2014, 02:49:45 PM
K'in hell. Come back on here after a wee break from forums.. 10 pages to catch up on this thead. Theres me thinking how can so much be written on Bellew V Clev compared to the last two weekends worth of cards.

Then there it is, pages of arguing who deserves the most brass in Quigg and Hampton. Tiring. Its why I didnt come on here for two months either side of Froch Groves 1, fans bickering.


As for the card, shame, turns out its pretty w@nk, waste of what could have been a solid card. Still, im going to a mates, watch it with him....no point making a stance, saving myself £8 and having nothing to do at home.

Quiggs toughest test so far?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on October 30, 2014, 10:47:34 PM
Bloody Hell, just proves the point of how uninterested people are in this fight as a PPV when not a word is said after the Ringside tonight promoting the fight!

Just the same old nonsense. Bellew just completely contradicting himself over and over again and Cleverly saying he will outbox him and make it 2-0 again!

Hearn also informing us we are watching the greatest PPV in the History of Boxing!

Not even worth a watch to anyone who is planning on it (Ringside I mean)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: wbamitch on October 31, 2014, 10:05:17 PM
Have to agree it's a really poor and very disappointing decision, it's a good card that the fans deserve to see as part of there Sky sports package but to warrant this as a PPV card never mind the initial plan to sell it as a PPV through solely the main event is a joke.
When I saw this thread title a while back I was a bit stunned and was hoping it was just a dodgy rumour.

I'm not going to go through the other PPV cards from the past and draw constant comparisons to where it ranks but it is absolutely not at the level required to be one, whether we're going for the big fight or the 'high quality stacked undercard' which seems to be the common one banded around lately.

No denying the fight is one I wanted to see, it's solely the fight that makes sense for these guys with them both moving up to cruiserweight and them both seemingly just on the fringes of world level, plus it was a good competitive fight last time, forgetting all the build up s***. I really didn't see this move coming though and for me and a few others it seemed the W***** card would get the nod with them both being originally scheduled for the same date.

I won't be purchasing this event, I most likely will see if it's on at the pub but I'm not too sure it's got that capacity to get that sort of attention, surprisingly my local had the whole Froch vs Groves 2 event on but for Froch vs Kessler barely got it on for the opening bell so judging by that I'm not even sure they will be aware of this and that's usually the sort of audience they grab for box office.
 I did catch ringside last night and thankfully it didn't go off as I feared, I was quite worried they would go completely overboard and possibly pull a few stunts to desperately attract that extra level of interest. I thought it was good to get a few fans In to ask questions.
My views on the fighters can wait until another day.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: grizzlyadams on October 31, 2014, 10:12:20 PM
Watched Ringside on sky+ so I could get the jist and fast forward most of it.

Thought I would share the big news.

Nathan Cleverly....

And Tony Bellew....


......don't like each other.

The end. Oh and they both got wallopped at true world level so have nowhere else to go.

Thank fook im in holiday for this one, hopefully be on in the pub because they wouldnt be getting my cash if I was home. Just hope Jamie Mcdonnell comes through well and the Kameda fight can be made afterwards.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 01, 2014, 12:49:51 PM
Some salty tweets from W***** promotions today towards Clev Bellew.

You know it's bad when the inventor of crap PPV's takes aim.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jorg21 on November 01, 2014, 01:52:53 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/11067/9538781/cleverly-bellew-you-can-book-it-now-and-see-joshua-groves-degale-and-more-on-november-22 (http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/11067/9538781/cleverly-bellew-you-can-book-it-now-and-see-joshua-groves-degale-and-more-on-november-22)

£16.95?! boxing fans getting shafted again.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 01, 2014, 03:05:32 PM
£16.95!?!

Really thought they would price it at £14.99 or maybe even go at £12.99 to try and reel more buys in.

Also noticed that if you don't order it before 22nd November then it goes up to £21.95!!! That is utterly ridiculous. So basically Joe Bloggs suddenly decides on the day of the event he wants to order the event it's an extra five quid.  //


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on November 01, 2014, 03:28:15 PM
£16.95!?!

Really thought they would price it at £14.99 or maybe even go at £12.99 to try and reel more buys in.

Also noticed that if you don't order it before 22nd November then it goes up to £21.95!!! That is utterly ridiculous. So basically Joe Bloggs suddenly decides on the day of the event he wants to order the event it's an extra give quid.  //

I have never purchased a PPV more than a day before the event.

Half tempted to make a banner 'saying my fight ticket only cost £10 more than your PPV'  :D
It is a disgrace this event.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: stevenmason on November 01, 2014, 03:42:27 PM
£16.95!?!

Really thought they would price it at £14.99 or maybe even go at £12.99 to try and reel more buys in.

Also noticed that if you don't order it before 22nd November then it goes up to £21.95!!! That is utterly ridiculous. So basically Joe Bloggs suddenly decides on the day of the event he wants to order the event it's an extra give quid.  //

Sounds like you had particular plans.  ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on November 01, 2014, 04:13:38 PM
Just watched the IFL TV interview with Adam Booth and even Eddie Hearn's best mate Kugan Cassius doesn't think it is a PPV event in Liverpool - that say's it all!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 01, 2014, 05:31:35 PM
Just watched the IFL TV interview with Adam Booth and even Eddie Hearn's best mate Kugan Cassius doesn't think it is a PPV event in Liverpool - that say's it all!

Good interview that one, Booth put that question on him  :)

£20 odd quid on the day to watch it ?? Hearn is having a laugh, the same casual fans he craves will be turned away as well as the hardcore if he keeps taking the piss like this.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on November 01, 2014, 05:57:30 PM
Knew this would happen after Froch ..

I'm binning ppv/sky off when I move and going a 'cheaper' option ..



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 01, 2014, 10:25:11 PM
Knew this would happen after Froch ..

I'm binning ppv/sky off when I move and going a 'cheaper' option ..



All content on sky is available elsewhere. Only their proprietary stuff like sky news and sky sports events is exclusive to the platform.

The movies etc suck, unless you want to pay more via 'Sky Store' , your better off ordering release-day blu rays for the movies you fancy. US shows via Netflix - and catch a YouTube of a fight after - than shell out hundreds upon hundreds a year for their greedy and overpriced dross.

That approach will also free you of the TV license.

I championed sky for the last couple of years, but if they are going to now charge PPV for domestic fights with one-sided undercards , then no thank you.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on November 02, 2014, 01:24:03 PM
I've seen a few people on Twitter that would come under the "casual" bracket say they can't wait for the fight. Genuine needle etc.

I really hope that's a minority and the show bombs. Otherwise this is all we're goin to get.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on November 02, 2014, 02:20:10 PM
To be fair, self service bookings on the day of the fight (remote control or online) are still priced at £16.95, it's only phoneline bookings which will be dearer, and only on that day.  I still think it's overpriced, but let's not stoke the hysteria more than necessary.  The supposed rivalry between Bellew and Cleverly on Ringside was pretty cringeworthy the other night.  It was absolutely genuine in the case of Froch and Groves but it's nothing of the sort here.  Nonetheless, I'm still sufficiently interested in the fight to stump up the PPV, or at least to watch it with someone who has stumped it up, and repay them with beer and pizza!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: BurnleyHitman on November 03, 2014, 10:48:45 AM
Knew this would happen after Froch ..

I'm binning ppv/sky off when I move and going a 'cheaper' option ..



The lad whos house I go to to watch the Burnley away games 'live' on his tv.....going watching this PPV at his....his £250 for twelve months includes all PPV shows....which seems bizarre.

I dont understand it all, but what he has would be ideal for your next set-up.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on November 03, 2014, 12:22:15 PM
All content on sky is available elsewhere. Only their proprietary stuff like sky news and sky sports events is exclusive to the platform.

The movies etc suck, unless you want to pay more via 'Sky Store' , your better off ordering release-day blu rays for the movies you fancy. US shows via Netflix - and catch a YouTube of a fight after - than shell out hundreds upon hundreds a year for their greedy and overpriced dross.

That approach will also free you of the TV license.

I championed sky for the last couple of years, but if they are going to now charge PPV for domestic fights with one-sided undercards , then no thank you.

Whats a TV licence ..  ;)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: dmp on November 03, 2014, 08:44:06 PM
Whats a TV licence ..  ;)

the bills i get for tv license when the scumbags move out off my rentals


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: son of bonters on November 04, 2014, 12:42:42 AM
Sheet thing about mag 7 was the kicking off in the crowd and Enzo almost being decapitated ..

Apart from that it was crap ..

Gatecrasher after it was a laugh though

The best part about Magnificent 7 was Bonters bitching about the 3000 mile walk back to the car afterwards  :)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: BurnleyHitman on November 04, 2014, 11:38:42 AM
Walking, effectively, through an airport to get to the arena was a pretty queer experience at Mag7.

The bars in the arena selling the G&T, JD&C etc cans was pretty unique too, easy to smuggle up to your seats (couldnt drink in seats at that one for whatever reason), quite lethal though in high quantity. Like drinking pop.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on November 05, 2014, 02:42:35 PM
Stephen smith injured and off the bill.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on November 05, 2014, 03:21:09 PM
Stephen smith injured and off the bill.

Happened in Kiel too from memory.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on November 05, 2014, 04:25:06 PM
Happened in Kiel too from memory.

Can't say it changes my view of the card in any particular way, but not good to have people dropping off a weak ppv card so close.

Anyone seen the preview clip of the face off thing they are going to show? Just incase you don't know, bellew has three kids.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on November 05, 2014, 04:53:42 PM
I've tried to get behind Bellew and like him but I can't. He's just a moaner, and makes out the worlds against him. It's depressing.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on November 05, 2014, 04:58:07 PM
I've tried to get behind Bellew and like him but I can't. He's just a moaner, and makes out the worlds against him. It's depressing.

I used to like him but he just talks crap an awful lot now days and it's boring. His last few fights have not been that exciting either.

I'm not Nathan's biggest fan but I can feel my self lending my support to him in this fight which was not the case in fight one.

One thing I do hate is these lot who say bellew and cleverly are proven at world level. That is a load of tosh.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on November 05, 2014, 06:18:26 PM
I used to like him but he just talks crap an awful lot now days and it's boring. His last few fights have not been that exciting either.

I'm not Nathan's biggest fan but I can feel my self lending my support to him in this fight which was not the case in fight one.

One thing I do hate is these lot who say bellew and cleverly are proven at world level. That is a load of tosh.

To be fair they are.

Proven not good enough.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: grizzlyadams on November 05, 2014, 09:42:55 PM
To be fair they are.

Proven not good enough.

Agree. The show name should be Battle of The Wooden Spoon.

It was cringeworthy when they were arguing who was better stevenson or kovalev


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on November 05, 2014, 10:53:18 PM
Agree. The show name should be Battle of The Wooden Spoon.

It was cringeworthy when they were arguing who was better stevenson or kovalev

I've not watched it but that is horrendous.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on November 05, 2014, 11:07:36 PM
Agree. The show name should be Battle of The Wooden Spoon.

It was cringeworthy when they were arguing who was better stevenson or kovalev

Yeh was pretty cringeworthy that as was most of the show. Have to side with Cleverly myself for this fight, Bellew is just a mouthpiece and don't believe a word the fella says. He lost the first fight and he knows it yet protests about that as well as everything else that has gone against him in his career!

Awful PPV card but everyone is getting fully behind it now according to Eddie!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 06, 2014, 05:08:26 AM
Yeh was pretty cringeworthy that as was most of the show. Have to side with Cleverly myself for this fight, Bellew is just a mouthpiece and don't believe a word the fella says. He lost the first fight and he knows it yet protests about that as well as everything else that has gone against him in his career!

Awful PPV card but everyone is getting fully behind it now according to Eddie!

Ringside (as in the show ) put a link up to sky box office to buy the fight on Facebook and every single comment of the hundred plus absolutely hammered Hearn and this fight, surely they and sky must know they have dropped a massive one here !?! Even Hearn deep down must also but has to justify it to himself.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on November 06, 2014, 08:46:42 PM
Ringside (as in the show ) put a link up to sky box office to buy the fight on Facebook and every single comment of the hundred plus absolutely hammered Hearn and this fight, surely they and sky must know they have dropped a massive one here !?! Even Hearn deep down must also but has to justify it to himself.

He is a salesman a fast talking Essex wide boy salesman who lives in a bubble and could teach Joseph Goebbels a trick or 2 in self propaganda. He would never ever drop this faÁade he as adopted in these interviews when he seems to smile and try and justify what he is saying and doing.
His mate Kugan seems a bit used to the Eddie trash talk and as been far more vocal about the justification of what Hearn is doing with this PPV. The truth is if this PPV was successful it gives Hearn the green light to do these type of gimme domestic cannon fodder shows in the future. The funniest bit was saying the next Brook show was meant to be PPV anyway .......Brook on PPV on dear me. No mention of him facing Khan or Mayweather just Brook on PPV. What will be next on PPV Joshua - Price, Callum Smith - Groves, Quigg - Rigondeaux. McDonnell brothers.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on November 06, 2014, 09:18:33 PM
He is a salesman a fast talking Essex wide boy salesman who lives in a bubble and could teach Joseph Goebbels a trick or 2 in self propaganda. He would never ever drop this faÁade he as adopted in these interviews when he seems to smile and try and justify what he is saying and doing.
His mate Kugan seems a bit used to the Eddie trash talk and as been far more vocal about the justification of what Hearn is doing with this PPV. The truth is if this PPV was successful it gives Hearn the green light to do these type of gimme domestic cannon fodder shows in the future. The funniest bit was saying the next Brook show was meant to be PPV anyway .......Brook on PPV on dear me. No mention of him facing Khan or Mayweather just Brook on PPV. What will be next on PPV Joshua - Price, Callum Smith - Groves, Quigg - Rigondeaux. McDonnell brothers.

You can bet your life that when Joshua fights anyone worth watching it will be PPV.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: grizzlyadams on November 06, 2014, 10:14:49 PM
I've not watched it but that is horrendous.

It was awful.

Bellew: Name me one elite fighter that Kovalev has beaten. Stevenson has beaten several and me!🙈


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on November 09, 2014, 02:28:50 AM
Vincent Feigenbutz seems to have been added to the card.

Was real impressed with him in Kiel.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on November 09, 2014, 02:37:29 PM
Vincent Feigenbutz seems to have been added to the card.

Was real impressed with him in Kiel.

That the lad they are wanting to face Callum Smith?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on November 09, 2014, 03:50:23 PM
That the lad they are wanting to face Callum Smith?

Yeah, the one that Hearn absolutely shat his pants when offered the fight.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on November 09, 2014, 05:49:16 PM
Yeah, the one that Hearn absolutely shat his pants when offered the fight.

But then spoke of how Callum is ready for groves ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on November 09, 2014, 06:06:58 PM
But then spoke of how Callum is ready for groves ;D

I presume it's only because he doesn't know which team Feigunbutz supports so can't decide which stadium to put the fight in?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jimjack on November 09, 2014, 08:02:43 PM
I presume it's only because he doesn't know which team Feigunbutz supports so can't decide which stadium to put the fight in?

 ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on November 10, 2014, 05:20:44 PM
You can bet your life that when Joshua fights anyone worth watching it will be PPV.

As soon as he is ready for a Haye type of fighter it will be. I think the winner of Chisora - Fury could face him and that could be PPV as well.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on November 11, 2014, 12:22:29 PM
As soon as he is ready for a Haye type of fighter it will be. I think the winner of Chisora - Fury could face him and that could be PPV as well.

A fight between two guys "proven at world level".



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on November 11, 2014, 08:29:45 PM
One of my mates has just asked if I want it on round mine with a few of us chipping in. Looks like I am going to pay for it after all


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 11, 2014, 09:09:07 PM
Looks like I am going to pay for it after all



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Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on November 12, 2014, 11:00:32 AM
One of my mates has just asked if I want it on round mine with a few of us chipping in. Looks like I am going to pay for it after all

Yeh, as much as I have slated it and will probably be slating it afterwards - im getting 4/5 mates round to watch it!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 12, 2014, 11:19:23 AM
Yeh, as much as I have slated it and will probably be slating it afterwards - im getting 4/5 mates round to watch it!



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Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on November 12, 2014, 11:47:53 AM
Yeh, as much as I have slated it and will probably be slating it afterwards - im getting 4/5 mates round to watch it!

If I did not have to be in Liverpool that night I'd be outside your house calling you rotten ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on November 12, 2014, 12:41:56 PM
You'd should hang your heads in shame  ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Buckers on November 12, 2014, 03:36:00 PM
He's an angry man is Tony Bellew!

http://youtu.be/RwAiJezb2as (http://youtu.be/RwAiJezb2as)

Wonder what Bunce said.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: stevenmason on November 12, 2014, 03:51:17 PM
There will be nothing to watch. But if you really must then find a pub and go out with your mates to watch it. Don't put money in Hearns' pocket for this junk. You will set a new precedence for the future.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on November 12, 2014, 05:23:07 PM
He's an angry man is Tony Bellew!

[url]http://youtu.be/RwAiJezb2as[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/RwAiJezb2as[/url])

Wonder what Bunce said.


Bunce took exception to Bellew claiming he was willing to die in the ring.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on November 12, 2014, 05:24:28 PM
Haven't heard what Bunce said but for Bellew to claim he was willing to die in the ring then not throw a punch come on now


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 12, 2014, 06:29:17 PM
Fair enough from Bellew IMO, I think he is a plank at times but he had a problem with Buncey and told him, he didn't kiss his arse, told him straight.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: dmp on November 12, 2014, 08:47:05 PM
bunce is a boxing journalist/presenter/critic hes supposed say what he sees
and what he seen bellew v adonis was not what bellow promised and give it all


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 12, 2014, 08:55:48 PM
bunce is a boxing journalist/presenter/critic hes supposed say what he sees
and what he seen bellew v adonis was not what bellow promised and give it all

I agree with bunches opinion but Bellew had a problem with what he said and told him so, fair enough IMO.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: dmp on November 12, 2014, 09:46:05 PM
I agree with bunches opinion but Bellew had a problem with what he said and told him so, fair enough IMO.

quite right,but bunches was right so was below


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on November 12, 2014, 11:17:10 PM
bunce is a boxing journalist/presenter/critic hes supposed say what he sees
and what he seen bellew v adonis was not what bellow promised and give it all

I agree Bellew talks a good one but the truth is he is limited and blows hot and cold. The fact his mouth is as big as ego the big talk often doesn't back itself up in the ring.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on November 12, 2014, 11:26:19 PM
Bellew just talking his usual nonsense again - no change there!!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 13, 2014, 12:35:18 PM
You'd think Bellew would have thicker skin than that.









Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on November 14, 2014, 01:28:33 PM
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.  I just watched the Gloves Are Off programme, which I downloaded.  It is astonishingly cringeworthy and a total embarrassment.  Even my missus commented on how boring it was and that they were just saying the same thing over and over again (in the case of Bellew 'it's as simple as that').  I then told her it was gonna be a PPV fight and even she was gobsmacked, and she's not exactly the most clued-up boxing fan!  I'm utterly embarrassed to say that I still want to see the fight  -  I'm just not sure why!   :-\


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on November 14, 2014, 01:35:46 PM
I watched it last night it was predictable but quite funny at times. My God Bellew really as a high opinion of himself I don't see how he can beat Clev at all. No way am I paying for this PPV I will probably skip it or get a stream which I hear will be a lot off.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jimjack on November 15, 2014, 08:20:54 PM
Just watched the gloves are off...
Some helmet bellew, if he could fight like he talks he wouldn't have been scrapped off the deck after Stevenson met him.
I don't really think either is a top level fighter, but bellew talks like he's a mix between jack Dempsey and rigondeux. Cleverly seems to accept he's at this level, bellew just spews bollocks.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on November 15, 2014, 09:16:53 PM
Just watched the gloves are off...
Some helmet bellew, if he could fight like he talks he wouldn't have been scrapped off the deck after Stevenson met him.
I don't really think either is a top level fighter, but bellew talks like he's a mix between jack Dempsey and rigondeux. Cleverly seems to accept he's at this level, bellew just spews bollocks.

Cleverly has gone up in my estimations and I'd never previously been a fan.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on November 15, 2014, 11:24:32 PM
Bellew is a shit fighter, Cleverly should win and hope he does listening to all the bullshit from the Scouse twat


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: dmp on November 15, 2014, 11:25:47 PM
Bellew is a shit fighter, Cleverly should win and hope he does listening to all the bullshit from the Scouse twat
:) :)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on November 15, 2014, 11:28:38 PM
Bellew is a weak man he can't accept criticism and tries to justify everything with excuses. Its all a front the outspokenness once he is in the ring he goes into his shell and tries to bomb his way through fights. Any fighter with good technical skills would tear him a new one and he knows that deep down.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on November 15, 2014, 11:33:37 PM
Never back against an Englishman but I hope the Scouse twat that is Bellew gets sparked out, just a British Champion fighter at best!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: 7777 on November 16, 2014, 06:35:24 PM
quite right,but bunches was right so was below

Bunches and Below. Boss autocorrect!

Bellew is a shit fighter, Cleverly should win and hope he does listening to all the bullshit from the Scouse twat

Come on now  //


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jimjack on November 16, 2014, 06:40:35 PM
Bunches and Below. Boss autocorrect!

Come on now  //

Just out on interest mate, what is the general opinion of him around Liverpool?
Is he seen as a good local lad... Or just a deluded gob shite. Or somewhere in between


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: 7777 on November 16, 2014, 07:11:14 PM
Just out on interest mate, what is the general opinion of him around Liverpool?
Is he seen as a good local lad... Or just a deluded gob shite. Or somewhere in between

It will always be somewhere in between mate because he is a blue and it sways peoples opinions anyway

I've only met him once and thought he was sound and had all the time in the world for people but peoples opinions will be based on hearing him mainly before the Cleverly fights and I don't think he will get any nicer this week when he is cutting weight  :D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on November 17, 2014, 06:20:52 PM
Apparently McDonnell's opponent is out because of visa issues so Eddie has found another Argie knocking about for him to fight.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: TC on November 17, 2014, 06:55:17 PM
I've only met him once and thought he was sound and had all the time in the world for people

Yeah Bellew strikes me as a decent bloke in general, but when he's promoting a fight he comes out with some right shit.

Deep down he knows he's a limited European level fighter at best, but he's doing his best to interest the casuals in this embarrassing card, I'll give him that.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on November 17, 2014, 08:09:58 PM
I wonder if any of the fighters get a slice of this PPV or is the PPV needed to justify the reportably huge purses Matchroom is forking out. It would be funny if it did a million PPV's and none of them got a penny  ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on November 18, 2014, 07:52:27 AM
Apparently McDonnell's opponent is out because of visa issues so Eddie has found another Argie knocking about for him to fight.

Not that i'm overly bothered about McDonnell having a change of opponent but never understand how you get to 5 days before a fight and you have Visa issues??

Is this not sorted or known about way in advance, seems to be an excuse used quite frequently nowadays for late changes in an opponent.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 18, 2014, 12:54:31 PM
Not that i'm overly bothered about McDonnell having a change of opponent but never understand how you get to 5 days before a fight and you have Visa issues??

Is this not sorted or known about way in advance, seems to be an excuse used quite frequently nowadays for late changes in an opponent.

Agreed. Especially when its a world title fight, not some 6 rounder on undercard


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: 7777 on November 18, 2014, 09:16:31 PM
I wonder if any of the fighters get a slice of this PPV or is the PPV needed to justify the reportably huge purses Matchroom is forking out. It would be funny if it did a million PPV's and none of them got a penny  ;D

I'd have thought it'd be standard for the undercard fighters to not get a slice of the PPV pie. It's there as a mechanism to make the bigger fights and regardless of peoples opinions, Bellew and Cleverly will have warranted decent purses which probably require a PPV top up if you're also going to have a decent undercard.
 
I think a £10.95 fee would have been much better mind... //


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on November 18, 2014, 09:20:38 PM
I'd have thought it'd be standard for the undercard fighters to not get a slice of the PPV pie. It's there as a mechanism to make the bigger fights and regardless of peoples opinions, Bellew and Cleverly will have warranted decent purses which probably require a PPV top up if you're also going to have a decent undercard.
 
I think a £10.95 fee would have been much better mind... //


Sky have really hyped the main event the card in general as names but not many fights that get you excited. It just sets out a worrying trend that if this is half profitable he will roll it out in the future. I really hope he puts Quigg in with Frampton for all the talk about him wanting the big fights for Quigg he just gets mediocre standard rubbish.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: 7777 on November 18, 2014, 09:36:11 PM

Sky have really hyped the main event the card in general as names but not many fights that get you excited. It just sets out a worrying trend that if this is half profitable he will roll it out in the future. I really hope he puts Quigg in with Frampton for all the talk about him wanting the big fights for Quigg he just gets mediocre standard rubbish.

That doesn't really cover the point though mate? If a main card needs purses supplementing with PPV to make the fight, I don't think the undercard is going to see any of that money and that's standard and I don't think we should expect to see a worldy undercard either

This isn't a new thing, there have been awful undercards for years in the States, I honestly don't think Sky like doing it but they realise there are times to bend the rules for the big grudge matches


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on November 19, 2014, 05:27:27 AM
Just saw an article on sky Bellew calls cleverly a fraud. He is having a laugh? Pot kettle black.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: The Hurricane on November 19, 2014, 08:45:41 AM
Just saw an article on sky Bellew calls cleverly a fraud. He is having a laugh? Pot kettle black.

It made me laugh when I read that article. At least Clev operates within the boundaries of reality. Bellew is just deluded.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on November 19, 2014, 09:34:16 AM
It made me laugh when I read that article. At least Clev operates within the boundaries of reality. Bellew is just deluded.

I didn't even bother reading it. I dislike Bellew more every time is see or hear him. The way he goes on you'd think he was top of his game.

Talks like he's Ali fights like he's Audley


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 19, 2014, 10:31:26 AM
I am thoroughly bored of people's life stories in boxing.

"I was a bouncer when i was 15" jeebus

We live in an era of Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy - and all sorts of crazy TV entertainment. And let's face it, this is supposed to be TV entertainment is it not ?

When i watch the fight eventually on repeat or youtube, and if Tony embrace's Clev, giving him cuddles and talking about meeting up for dinner with their wives - then i will puke onto my keyboard. It would be another scripted part of the story - the happy ending after the rivalry.

Bellew should play it like Clev and be mature. I know people say "well it gets people talking which is publicity" well it puts me off watching even more as I cant bear another word tumbling out.

I had little interest in any of the pre-fight videos, now i will swerve them deliberately.

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/81/81a8936228302aa05a0a67c55eb69e685accd45fcc3ee24b08924670e890307e.jpg)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: TC on November 19, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
I am thoroughly bored of people's life stories in boxing.

Bellew should play it like Clev and be mature. I know people say "well it gets people talking which is publicity" well it puts me off watching even more as I cant bear another word tumbling out.

I had little interest in any of the pre-fight videos, now i will swerve them deliberately.

Not being funny, but you're not the one they're trying to appeal to. The whole circus is there to appeal to the foolish masses who lap up this kind of shit. As regular boxing watchers we get fed a lot of this boxer's life story crud, and I agree it does get monotonous and formulaic. But like it or not, it sells fights to a certain group of people.

Even if this was the classiest, most respectful build up to a fight ever, most regular boxing fans wouldn't pay £20 to watch it, cos they know what they're watching and aren't stupid.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on November 19, 2014, 12:10:25 PM
Not being funny, but you're not the one they're trying to appeal to. The whole circus is there to appeal to the foolish masses who lap up this kind of shit. As regular boxing watchers we get fed a lot of this boxer's life story crud, and I agree it does get monotonous and formulaic. But like it or not, it sells fights to a certain group of people.

Even if this was the classiest, most respectful build up to a fight ever, most regular boxing fans wouldn't pay £20 to watch it, cos they know what they're watching and aren't stupid.
Spot on mate. I have spoken to people the last 3 nights who want to watch this and also think the under card is "great". The are casual boxing fans so in that respect Hearn has done his job


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: son of bonters on November 19, 2014, 12:28:44 PM
Just saw an article on sky Bellew calls cleverly a fraud. He is having a laugh? Pot kettle black.

Apparently there is footage of Bellend placing a 'Fraud' bandana on poster of Clev. But it was the second take. They were made to destroy footage of the first take, cos Bellend spelt fraud wrongly!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on November 19, 2014, 12:32:46 PM
Apparently there is footage of Bellend placing a 'Fraud' bandana on poster of Clev. But it was the second take. They were made to destroy footage of the first take, cos Bellend spelt fraud wrongly!

Bellew just finds new ways to embarrass himself even more every single day. If he loses this fight then he will look like an even bigger tool than he already is given all his talk!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on November 19, 2014, 02:09:25 PM
Apparently there is footage of Bellend placing a 'Fraud' bandana on poster of Clev. But it was the second take. They were made to destroy footage of the first take, cos Bellend spelt fraud wrongly!

Sums the whole event up to a tee  ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: willlywalllly on November 19, 2014, 06:02:28 PM
its a couple of days away anybody buckling? can see me end up getting this ffs


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 19, 2014, 06:21:04 PM
its a couple of days away anybody buckling? can see me end up getting this ffs

I bet most boxing fans who don't stream fights will end up getting it, all will be angry at themselves for doing so but at the end of the day it will be better than all the other tosh on TV and it's still a night of boxing, people will crumble.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on November 19, 2014, 06:50:07 PM
Not being funny, but you're not the one they're trying to appeal to. The whole circus is there to appeal to the foolish masses who lap up this kind of shit. As regular boxing watchers we get fed a lot of this boxer's life story crud, and I agree it does get monotonous and formulaic. But like it or not, it sells fights to a certain group of people.

Even if this was the classiest, most respectful build up to a fight ever, most regular boxing fans wouldn't pay £20 to watch it, cos they know what they're watching and aren't stupid.

You've hit your head on a nail there!  I've been saying it for ages, I call it the Kyle effect.  the 'crossover' fans as FW calls them all want to see a scrap with some bad feeling, just like the schoolground challenges of their youth.  They don't give a flying fook for the finer points of a noble sport and there aren't enough of us serious fans to fill and arena any more.  Simple as that (as Bellend would say)   ;)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on November 19, 2014, 06:55:12 PM
I bet most boxing fans who don't stream fights will end up getting it, all will be angry at themselves for doing so but at the end of the day it will be better than all the other tosh on TV and it's still a night of boxing, people will crumble.

I think so too. I've always said we would get it, albeit I would rather it was for 'free'.  Look how many pages there are on this thread  -  there's interest in this fight and even some of the undercard ones too, even if only for the 'names'.  I respect any serious fan who snubs the PPV on principle, but I cannot resist the pull of watching this live, and streams are rarely ever good enough on my Sinclair ZX Spectrum!   ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: willlywalllly on November 19, 2014, 07:24:39 PM
I bet most boxing fans who don't stream fights will end up getting it, all will be angry at themselves for doing so but at the end of the day it will be better than all the other tosh on TV and it's still a night of boxing, people will crumble.

true. i just hope it doesn't set a precedent for future ppv's... its going to feel dirty buying this shit because its all clearly been set up from the start so Hearn can sit back smugly and call us all mugs

  :cigar:



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on November 20, 2014, 05:27:53 AM
Not paying for this craP PPV..

I have however spent £80 on a ticket  ;D

Get to meet Arron and get bored to death of Belfast stories so that's the reason


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: son of bonters on November 20, 2014, 07:59:28 AM

Get to meet Arron and get bored to death of Belfast stories so that's the reason

 ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on November 20, 2014, 09:23:08 AM
I'll pick up a stream. I can't get Sky or SBO out here but wouldn't pay for it even if I could


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on November 20, 2014, 09:24:01 AM
It's my birthday on Saturday so I'll be out in the evening. I'll try and pick up a download in the morning.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: TC on November 20, 2014, 09:43:03 AM
I think so too. I've always said we would get it, albeit I would rather it was for 'free'.  Look how many pages there are on this thread  -  there's interest in this fight and even some of the undercard ones too, even if only for the 'names'.  I respect any serious fan who snubs the PPV on principle, but I cannot resist the pull of watching this live, and streams are rarely ever good enough on my Sinclair ZX Spectrum!   ;D

I've found people's principles can be bended more and more nowadays (the name change debacle over my football club, Hull City is a good example, but that's another issue), so I'm sure some will crumble and reluctantly cough up the £18 or whatever it is.

At the end of the day, people work hard for their money, so they can spend it on what they want, good luck to them. Personally I'm more bothered that if this does half decently sales-wise, we'll be set for more and more of the same shit PPVs in the future. If I'm in the pub and it's on there i'll watch it, but Eddie can swivel if he thinks he's getting my cash for a european level domestic fight.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: tweetstreet on November 20, 2014, 12:15:56 PM
I'm going to Tenerife in protest of the PPV, so if anyone knows anywhere over there that will be showing the fight please let me know...

Staying in LA Arena if that helps.....


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 20, 2014, 02:33:54 PM
Bellew wearing headphones will only add to his popularity for some:

 ;D

NATHAN CLEVERLY v TONY BELLEW HEATED HEAD TO HEAD @ FINAL PRESS CONFERENCE / REPEAT OR REVENGE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQXWUgDb_jY#ws)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 20, 2014, 03:35:37 PM
Anyone who buys this should be ashamed of themselves


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 20, 2014, 04:49:05 PM
Don't buy it there will be tons of streams available and if you do buy it be prepared to pay for PPV's far more often.

I'm going to it, but I would be pēssed off if I had to pay PPV to watch it.

I agree with those that say this will be the start of sky doing a load of them.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Every Cloud on November 20, 2014, 06:19:26 PM
Just watched Meehan Sprott  :-[ I fear for Sprott Saturday I really do


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 20, 2014, 06:31:33 PM
Can we keep the "stream" talk down on the forum please , I dont want anyone getting in hot water.

Thanks.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tim2366 on November 20, 2014, 09:27:41 PM
Be in the casino watching this but would have bought it if not......looking forward to it tbh.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 20, 2014, 11:04:32 PM
Anyone who buys this should be ashamed of themselves

So anybody wanting to see this, mainly the main event, should cut their nose off to spite their face?

I'm in no way for it being on PPV but I want to see main event and don't want to be messing about with streams therefore I'll pay it and enjoy my evening. For 30 quid I'll get a case of beer and the boxing, I'd spend about double that on a normal Sat night out.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 20, 2014, 11:48:42 PM
So anybody wanting to see this, mainly the main event, should cut their nose off to spite their face?

I'm in no way for it being on PPV but I want to see main event and don't want to be messing about with streams therefore I'll pay it and enjoy my evening. For 30 quid I'll get a case of beer and the boxing, I'd spend about double that on a normal Sat night out.

You are because youre going to pay for it. You wont get the chance to add a little note to your booking saying 'now now Mr Hearn I shouldnt really be paying for this because its not PPV worthy but i have to because theres no other way i can watch it.' It'll just say Vlads house - 1 ppv purchase. Eddie Hearn will be on IFilm saying 'people were saying this wasnt PPV worthy, are they facking mad, weve done £800,000 buys, the people have spoken.' Ive got no problem with someone saying i think its worth £15 and paying for it, its the people whinging about it not being PPV worthy and buying it anyway. We, as boxing fans have an opportunity to make a statement. You wont miss anything its Bellew v Cleverley, its not Floyd v Manny. Go to tesco buy a DVD boxset, £10, and youve saved yourself another £5 that you'd spend on a saturday night


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: GOD on November 21, 2014, 01:13:40 AM
You are because youre going to pay for it. You wont get the chance to add a little note to your booking saying 'now now Mr Hearn I shouldnt really be paying for this because its not PPV worthy but i have to because theres no other way i can watch it.' It'll just say Vlads house - 1 ppv purchase. Eddie Hearn will be on IFilm saying 'people were saying this wasnt PPV worthy, are they facking mad, weve done £800,000 buys, the people have spoken.' Ive got no problem with someone saying i think its worth £15 and paying for it, its the people whinging about it not being PPV worthy and buying it anyway. We, as boxing fans have an opportunity to make a statement. You wont miss anything its Bellew v Cleverley, its not Floyd v Manny. Go to tesco buy a DVD boxset, £10, and youve saved yourself another £5 that you'd spend on a saturday night

YOU should be ashamed of YOURSELF if you buy a Floyd vs Manny PPV if it was to happen...YOU should make a stand against that fight by not buying that PPV so as to show fighters of that level that they should have fought in their PEAK i.e. 2010 and not when they have reached the end of their career... far more important than trying to make a statement against Hearn here...


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 21, 2014, 01:28:11 AM
YOU should be ashamed of YOURSELF if you buy a Floyd vs Manny PPV if it was to happen...YOU should make a stand against that fight by not buying that PPV so as to show fighters of that level that they should have fought in their PEAK i.e. 2010 and not when they have reached the end of their career... far more important than trying to make a statement against Hearn here...

As I said in my post above, if the individual feels its ppv worthy then its ppv worthy. You need to lay off the crack if you think Floyd vs Manny isnt PPV  ;)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: GOD on November 21, 2014, 02:00:11 AM
As I said in my post above, if the individual feels its ppv worthy then its ppv worthy. You need to lay off the crack if you think Floyd vs Manny isnt PPV  ;)

I will not dignify your crack comment with a response...

I will however point out the fact that you have completely missed the point of what I am saying...

You talk about making a statement against this PPV, then contrast it with a fight that should have happened YEARS AGO. Of course Floyd Vs Manny is a big fight, but it would have been a far bigger fight four years ago, when it eventually does happen, it's people like you who are only going to re-enforce the fact that such a delay in finally getting the fight on is acceptable. Why not make a statement here instead? I personally have far less interest in that fight now than I did previously and a lot on here feel the same...


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 21, 2014, 03:23:24 AM
I will not dignify your crack comment with a response...

I will however point out the fact that you have completely missed the point of what I am saying...

You talk about making a statement against this PPV, then contrast it with a fight that should have happened YEARS AGO. Of course Floyd Vs Manny is a big fight, but it would have been a far bigger fight four years ago, when it eventually does happen, it's people like you who are only going to re-enforce the fact that such a delay in finally getting the fight on is acceptable. Why not make a statement here instead? I personally have far less interest in that fight now than I did previously and a lot on here feel the same...

Why would I make a statement against Mayweather v Pacquiao when I'm happy to pay for it and consider it PPV worthy? Because you don't?




Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jorg21 on November 21, 2014, 04:55:42 AM
Why would I make a statement against Mayweather v Pacquiao when I'm happy to pay for it and consider it PPV worthy? Because you don't?




You're totally missing the point he's trying to make he's not arguing about the PPV worthiness of the fight he's arguing that fighters are taking fans for mugs and instead of fighting when both were on top in 2009-10 the fight is happening in 2014-15 when Floyd had 2 fights left and Manny is coming to the end of his career aswell, We as fans should get the fights we want when we want them not "Oh i'll fight him....in x amount of years."


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 21, 2014, 09:06:54 AM
Just because a point is being argued badly - it doesn't make the point incorrect.

What will cease domestic fights that should be heading to normal sky sports, from going on PPV?

A lack of sales.

As far as I can tell, is that people who bemoan it and yet still buy it are part of problem , a bigger problem they are about to make for everyone else - and shouldn't even try defending it because it's not defendable.

If you think its a good card, and thats your basis for purchasing it - then fair enough, but lets not say its not worth the money, then still hand said money over - because they will take that money again and again for this level of show.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Laney on November 21, 2014, 09:35:19 AM
Just because a point is being argued badly - it doesn't make the point incorrect.

What will cease domestic fights that should be heading to normal sky sports, from going on PPV?

A lack of sales.

As far as I can tell, is that people who bemoan it and yet still buy it are part of problem , a bigger problem they are about to make for everyone else - and shouldn't even try defending it because it's not defendable.

If you think its a good card, and thats your basis for purchasing it - then fair enough, but lets not say its not worth the money, then still hand said money over - because they will take that money again and again for this level of show.



Nail. Head.

CC if they were still around.

If I wasnt going, I wouldnt PPV.

I think its worth going to because as Adam Booth said, its effecitvley 3/4 saturday night fight nights, on one night.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Kevan2 on November 21, 2014, 10:23:34 AM
I'm making a night of it... looked online for a pub that has it on and found this http://www.rileys.co.uk/ (http://www.rileys.co.uk/) Free membership online.. so I joined, booked a table and will be with a few mates... I know i'm gonna end up spending more than if I purchased it... but I don't have sky or a t.v, we all have our computers and I cant get a deal from sky to watch it online.
  Inside I will feel better for not giving in to PPV.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: willlywalllly on November 21, 2014, 11:23:34 AM
fck it reds right.... we need to stick together on this. its like fuel prices, everybody whinges and moans but still queues up at the petrol station to give them your pound note. im not buying, will watch it elsewhere.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: TC on November 21, 2014, 12:11:55 PM
Exactly. It's not the point of how much money it's personally gonna cost you, it's the principle of endorsing this scandalous PPV with your money. I'd much rather go watch it in the pub and spend £30-40 on my night than cough up £18 and let Matchroom think it's ok to take the piss out of us.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 21, 2014, 12:32:38 PM
Just because a point is being argued badly - it doesn't make the point incorrect.

What will cease domestic fights that should be heading to normal sky sports, from going on PPV?

A lack of sales.

As far as I can tell, is that people who bemoan it and yet still buy it are part of problem , a bigger problem they are about to make for everyone else - and shouldn't even try defending it because it's not defendable.

If you think its a good card, and thats your basis for purchasing it - then fair enough, but lets not say its not worth the money, then still hand said money over - because they will take that money again and again for this level of show.



Which is exactly what I was saying. Red, you obviously have a voice for the common man. I'm obviously too eloquent and articulate  ;)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 21, 2014, 12:34:12 PM
You're totally missing the point he's trying to make he's not arguing about the PPV worthiness of the fight he's arguing that fighters are taking fans for mugs and instead of fighting when both were on top in 2009-10 the fight is happening in 2014-15 when Floyd had 2 fights left and Manny is coming to the end of his career aswell, We as fans should get the fights we want when we want them not "Oh i'll fight him....in x amount of years."

I know what he's saying, but that wasn't the issue being discussed. Also, I think Floyd and Manny is a special case


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: willlywalllly on November 21, 2014, 02:35:42 PM
I know what he's saying, but that wasn't the issue being discussed. Also, I think Floyd and Manny is a special case

the floyd v manny debacle epitomises whats wrong with the sport. fans been shafted out of a great fight due to politricks, cherry picking, and financial gain. that fight has lost all meaning now for a lot of fans... but it will still be billed as if it were 2010, and people in 2015 will lap it up.



Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 21, 2014, 02:44:27 PM
the floyd v manny debacle epitomises whats wrong with the sport. fans been shafted out of a great fight due to politricks, cherry picking, and financial gain. that fight has lost all meaning now for a lot of fans... but it will still be billed as if it were 2010, and people in 2015 will lap it up.

I know, thats why I think its a special case. I have no problem with people justifying not paying for it with the above reasons and I would fully understand why


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: willlywalllly on November 21, 2014, 03:13:04 PM
I know, thats why I think its a special case. I have no problem with people justifying not paying for it with the above reasons and I would fully understand why

not really a special case though it seems like fighters at every level are avoiding each other these days, 50/50 fights are becoming increasingly rare. maybe thats why bellew/clev is ppv


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 21, 2014, 03:22:49 PM
not really a special case though it seems like fighters at every level are avoiding each other these days, 50/50 fights are becoming increasingly rare. maybe thats why bellew/clev is ppv

I meant special case in terms of the individuals, both of them being potentially Top 10 all time greats, which brings something else to the event compared to Kovalev v Stevenson, etc. Out of interest, which 50/50 fights arent being made that you'd like? I'm looking through  Ring magazines Top 10 in each weight class. Kovalev v Stevenson is an obvious one.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on November 21, 2014, 03:26:33 PM
Hearn is a smug C**t lets hope he isn't so smug when PPV sales he is relying on to pay the purses don't even break even. He is taking a big gamble putting so many fights on at once and with PPV his saving grace to making a profit if people avoid paying it and watching it elsewhere he will soon get the message.
He as got a lot of PR with Sky, Newspaper advertisements, production costs will have cost a fortune so he is well in the red. I fear if it does well then expect this kind of thing to be rolled out frequently especially where Joshua is concerned.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Chris on November 21, 2014, 03:42:22 PM
When's the weigh in?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: ScottMillwall on November 21, 2014, 03:44:13 PM
When's the weigh in?

Been and gone.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 21, 2014, 03:46:50 PM
NATHAN CLEVERLY v TONY BELLEW 2 - OFFICIAL WEIGH IN FROM LIVERPOOL / REPEAT OR REVENGE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Mwe7Rd6BY#ws)

Weigh in


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Chris on November 21, 2014, 03:51:51 PM
NATHAN CLEVERLY v TONY BELLEW 2 - OFFICIAL WEIGH IN FROM LIVERPOOL / REPEAT OR REVENGE ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Mwe7Rd6BY#ws[/url])

Weigh in


Cheers, gonna be a great scrap!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on November 21, 2014, 04:48:54 PM
Hearn is a smug C**t lets hope he isn't so smug when PPV sales he is relying on to pay the purses don't even break even. He is taking a big gamble putting so many fights on at once and with PPV his saving grace to making a profit if people avoid paying it and watching it elsewhere he will soon get the message.
He as got a lot of PR with Sky, Newspaper advertisements, production costs will have cost a fortune so he is well in the red. I fear if it does well then expect this kind of thing to be rolled out frequently especially where Joshua is concerned.

Get off the fence


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on November 21, 2014, 04:50:14 PM
Eddie Hearn dressed like a magician.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: GOD on November 21, 2014, 04:56:18 PM
I meant special case in terms of the individuals, both of them being potentially Top 10 all time greats, which brings something else to the event compared to Kovalev v Stevenson, etc. Out of interest, which 50/50 fights arent being made that you'd like? I'm looking through  Ring magazines Top 10 in each weight class. Kovalev v Stevenson is an obvious one.

I can definitely see where you're coming from and understand why you would still be interested in the Pac May fight...

What I was just highlighting was for the reasons mentioned, given the individuals involved i.e. the best fighters of this generation, this would be the BEST fight to make a stand in terms of not buying as PPV.. imagine if that PPV bombed if it ever did take place, do you think other boxers / promoters would be happy to try and mug us fans off in terms of failing to get the fight on when they should have? It would be the best action fans can do to show them that the big fights should be made at the right time and would be a far more powerful stand than any other action that fans could take.. 


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 21, 2014, 05:42:11 PM
Eddie Hearn dressed like a magician.


(http://i62.tinypic.com/11grdhy.gif)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 21, 2014, 05:58:07 PM
(http://content.internetvideoarchive.com/content/photos/724/003043_45.jpg)

He just needed the tache today


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tim2366 on November 21, 2014, 06:28:00 PM
Groves and Degale fighting backstage apparently.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on November 21, 2014, 06:32:44 PM
([url]http://i62.tinypic.com/11grdhy.gif[/url])


If he turns in good PPV figures for this show he might just be one


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on November 21, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
Kugan had an interview with that Denis Douglin's Mum, was actually really good and interesting interview - can tell she know's her stuff


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 21, 2014, 06:34:57 PM
Kugan had an interview with that Denis Douglin's Mum, was actually really good and interesting interview - can tell she know's her stuff

Eddie Mustafa and Mayweather have been training this lad for the past few months. He's moved to vegas and joined their gym up there.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on November 21, 2014, 06:40:01 PM
Eddie Mustafa and Mayweather have been training this lad for the past few months. He's moved to vegas and joined their gym up there.

Well she does a 9-5 job as an Accountant apparently so makes sense for him to move to Vegas - but she was an Amateur fighter and been training him since 8. Will be interesting to see how she is in the corner tomorrow or maybe im just quite sad!!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 21, 2014, 06:46:13 PM
Groves and Degale fighting backstage apparently.

I bet thats more to do with matchroom and george groves security after their run in at Froch v Groves 2


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tim2366 on November 21, 2014, 06:48:49 PM
I bet thats more to do with matchroom and george groves security after their run in at Froch v Groves 2

Groves doesn't have his security now...that was just for the Froch fight after Froch shoved him. Herd it was groves and Degale scuffling and there families were scrapping too. Security broke it up.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Goldenboy87 on November 21, 2014, 06:50:12 PM
Groves doesn't have his security now...that was just for the Froch fight after Froch shoved him. Herd it was groves and Degale scuffling and there families were scrapping too. Security broke it up.

Hearn said in an interview after the weigh ins that Groves has his own security with him, no clue why!!


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 21, 2014, 06:53:52 PM
Groves doesn't have his security now...that was just for the Froch fight after Froch shoved him. Herd it was groves and Degale scuffling and there families were scrapping too. Security broke it up.

Maybe it was their mums going at it, which raises an interesting point. Is Mrs Degale vs Mrs Groves more worthy of headlining a PPV than Bellew vs Cleverley? Both are unbeaten, unlike Bellew or Cleverley


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 21, 2014, 06:57:05 PM
Sounds like it's all hype for next years fight...


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on November 21, 2014, 07:03:23 PM
Sounds like it's all hype for next years fight...

this.

Build up into a tables, ladders and chairs loser leaves town match commentated on by Jerry "The King" Lawlor and Good Old JR.

F*ck Matchroom.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 21, 2014, 07:13:43 PM
Not seen any videos yet but apparently Kalle was apparently in his usual state  :)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on November 21, 2014, 07:22:32 PM
Get off the fence

You don't like the taste of his semen anymore  :kissmyass:


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaimie77 on November 21, 2014, 07:31:03 PM
Saw something online it was Groves Mrs and Degales mum kicking off which started the group fight  :)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on November 21, 2014, 07:32:49 PM
You don't like the taste of his semen anymore  :kissmyass:

By God you're stupid.

Do you struggle to find Velcro shows in adult sizes?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jimjack on November 21, 2014, 07:42:19 PM
Sounds like it's all hype for next years fight...

Spot on. Load of bollocks


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 21, 2014, 08:11:17 PM
Groves got boo'd when he made weight I see.

1.35

GEORGE GROVES v DENIS DOUGLIN - OFFICIAL WEIGH IN FROM LIVERPOOL / CLEVERLY v BELLEW 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlUO0KtczYM#ws)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tim2366 on November 21, 2014, 09:31:35 PM
No need to hype this fight yet......both of these clowns will be one fight away from becoming world champions after the weekend and we all know this fight will be massive if they both win said fights.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on November 21, 2014, 10:00:07 PM
I assume now they are building groves v degale 3, Carl has told Eddie to fcuk himself over degale


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: DANIELK104 on November 21, 2014, 10:54:44 PM
So instead of going back and forth about how this aint PPV worthy which am sure we have all agreed on a long time ago, what is everyone's predictions tomorrow night?....

I am going for....

Cleverly TKO/KO Rounds 10-12
Groves TKO/ KO Round 4-6
Degale Unanimous Decision
Joshua Brutal KO Round 3
Callum Smith TKO/ KO Round 4-6


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on November 21, 2014, 10:59:24 PM
I assume now they are building groves v degale 3, Carl has told Eddie to fcuk himself over degale

Source re: Froch? 

If Khan-Brook doesn't happen I can't help but think the Wembley date booked for summer will be used for Groves-Degale.

Also, if Froch isn't going to fight Degale does that mean Degale will get to fight for his IBF belt on 31st Jan? Potentially Groves-Degale could be a unification fight.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: jaff_no1 on November 21, 2014, 11:05:27 PM
Source re: Froch? 

If Khan-Brook doesn't happen I can't help but think the Wembley date booked for summer will be used for Groves-Degale.

Also, if Froch isn't going to fight Degale does that mean Degale will get to fight for his IBF belt on 31st Jan? Potentially Groves-Degale could be a unification fight.
No source just my hunch as degale previously couldn't do an interview without mentioning carl


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Neil on November 22, 2014, 03:06:14 AM
this.

Build up into a tables, ladders and chairs loser leaves town match commentated on by Jerry "The King" Lawlor and Good Old JR.

F*ck Matchroom.

Amen, spot on this fight will be the next ppv.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Chris on November 22, 2014, 06:26:26 AM
Anyone know what time the main fight is likely to start? Heading to Macau in the morning for the Pac fight, so might work out well to watch this before setting off.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on November 22, 2014, 08:01:25 AM
1/200, 1/100, 1/14, 1/16, 1/20, 1/100, 1/9, 1/100.

The odds for the "home" fighters tonight on the Matchroom card.

Less a night of boxing, more a night of boxers you've heard of beating up older, smaller, slower boxers you haven't heard of.

MisMatchroom.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on November 22, 2014, 08:15:05 AM
I shan't be paying for it...............but I know somebody who is, so that's where I'll be.  Tonight for me is just simple boxing entertainment really.  I'm not excited or anything but I definitely want to see it and it'll provide a good night's entertainment in my opinion.  It's pretty much a case of each to his own I guess.  A number of knowledgeable boxing fans known to me are saying they would never stump up the PPV, but are attending the fight, with all the ancillary costs involved in that.  I took the complete opposite view for this one  -  no way does it justify the travelling/hotel/spends expense but I'm prepared to swallow the £17 PPV between several of us for a decent evening of boxing.  And the main event is still very much a 50/50 affair, even if not many of the others are.  One man's meat and all that (no homo, cloughie!)   ;)


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Socrates on November 22, 2014, 08:33:47 AM
You're absolutely right Bonters.

I won't pay £17 for it on TV but my ticket is £80, hotel substantially more plus I'm out with Faulks so there's a wedge needed for bail money.

I thought about why that was and came to the conclusion that I'm a huge fan of live boxing so it's something different than paying for PPV. I have no objection to the fight, I don't even really have an objection to a mismatched card if I really think about it - but I do have an objection to being told it's a PPV fight.

As you say though, each to there own ultimately.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Stevie J on November 22, 2014, 08:46:02 AM

Mathroom seem to be more like WWE every day, it seems you cant just have 2 good fighters having a scrap nowdays there has to be some fake little beef going on between them to drum up numbers.

Bores me shi*less all this fake hate


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Red on November 22, 2014, 08:48:41 AM
I wonder how sour the atmosphere will be if Clev wins?

It's as simple as that.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on November 22, 2014, 09:17:54 AM
I wonder how sour the atmosphere will be if Clev wins?

It's as simple as that.

I bet Eddie will be praying for a close points win to Bellew?  Cue the stadium based decider!  Simple as that!   ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on November 22, 2014, 09:56:03 AM
Just looking forward to a few beers and see a few faces.

Not fussed who wins the main event to be honest, just hope it's a good scrap.

Fair play to cleverly though, twice he's faced bellew in his home town now.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Faulks on November 22, 2014, 10:24:36 AM
Just looking forward to a few beers and see a few faces.

Not fussed who wins the main event to be honest, just hope it's a good scrap.

Fair play to cleverly though, twice he's faced bellew in his home town now.

I can't credit  a man who's needed to travel because even his fellow countrymen dislike him... There's not a lot to oike about clev really.. He's got the personality of a plank of wood


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: AO88 on November 22, 2014, 10:30:09 AM
I can't credit  a man who's needed to travel because even his fellow countrymen dislike him... There's not a lot to oike about clev really.. He's got the personality of a plank of wood

Not sure I'd have a pint with bellew either though to be honest.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: westbo on November 22, 2014, 01:06:41 PM
I shan't be paying for it...............but I know somebody who is, so that's where I'll be.  Tonight for me is just simple boxing entertainment really.  I'm not excited or anything but I definitely want to see it and it'll provide a good night's entertainment in my opinion.  It's pretty much a case of each to his own I guess.  A number of knowledgeable boxing fans known to me are saying they would never stump up the PPV, but are attending the fight, with all the ancillary costs involved in that.  I took the complete opposite view for this one  -  no way does it justify the travelling/hotel/spends expense but I'm prepared to swallow the £17 PPV between several of us for a decent evening of boxing.  And the main event is still very much a 50/50 affair, even if not many of the others are.  One man's meat and all that (no homo, cloughie!)   ;)
ill be doing pretty much the same.. couple of us just go around my mates few beers and a decent night of boxing,
Beats sitting in with thr mrs watching xfactor anyway.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Forest on November 22, 2014, 02:49:18 PM
Just found out Bar 9 in Exmouth has got it on (so they say). Sorted. And no money for Eddie and contributing to nonsense PPV from me. Well smug.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: wbamitch on November 22, 2014, 03:35:25 PM
You're absolutely right Bonters.

I won't pay £17 for it on TV but my ticket is £80, hotel substantially more plus I'm out with Faulks so there's a wedge needed for bail money.

I thought about why that was and came to the conclusion that I'm a huge fan of live boxing so it's something different than paying for PPV. I have no objection to the fight, I don't even really have an objection to a mismatched card if I really think about it - but I do have an objection to being told it's a PPV fight.

As you say though, each to there own ultimately.

Summed up very well, this fight fits into the category of making perfect sense, one the fans would like to see and I'd say a 50/50 fight, if you have that topping a mismatched card its not that much of a problem and if this was a Saturday fight night it would certainly be one of the best ones offered which you would say the fans deserve after some of the offerings. PPV though, we all know it isn't and I've already spoke all about that, not come close to being swayed into buying and encouraging it. Preferably I would like to catch the fight and see some of the performances on the undercard tomorrow without knowing the result but I'd imagine they will share the results on the later show on Boxnation.

Onto the fights, I hope to see Groves, Degale and Quigg all impress and set up bigger fights, probably football stadium fights. It's hard to see the main event not being a good scrap and very hard to call as well, I'm going to go for Bellew to bank too much on his power and Cleverly to nick another close fight in the later rounds pretty much like he did last time if I remember rightly, possibly stopping Bellew. I think only a Cleverly early stoppage surprises you as a result in this fight.
 Not sure who I'm supporting as Bellew is one of those fighters who seems to have a great passion for the sport which is good to see as a fan and comes across well on IFLTV and Twitter, yet when it's regarding himself and fight week especially he can make you go the other way, Cleverly I don't mind.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: stevenmason on November 22, 2014, 04:56:05 PM
You're absolutely right Bonters.

I won't pay £17 for it on TV but my ticket is £80, hotel substantially more plus I'm out with Faulks so there's a wedge needed for bail money.

I thought about why that was and came to the conclusion that I'm a huge fan of live boxing so it's something different than paying for PPV. I have no objection to the fight, I don't even really have an objection to a mismatched card if I really think about it - but I do have an objection to being told it's a PPV fight.

As you say though, each to there own ultimately.

And you call others stupid.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: CelticHiggo on November 22, 2014, 05:15:40 PM
I'm sitting here only back from hols doing F.All so I'll be watching the fight.I hope Clev wins.It's not a ppv fight and it hurts a little paying for it but I don't want to miss it.Hopefully it's a great fight and might ease the pain.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Tito on November 22, 2014, 05:25:46 PM
I'm sitting here only back from hols doing F.All so I'll be watching the fight.I hope Clev wins.It's not a ppv fight and it hurts a little paying for it but I don't want to miss it.Hopefully it's a great fight and might ease the pain.

How is it a PPV fight no title on the line both have them hardly in the greatest form. The fact is we have had it shoved down our throats they hate each other hardly makes it worth £17.95. The rest of the card is just gimmes I'm afraid the odds in the bookies prove that.


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 22, 2014, 05:43:14 PM
Who do I speak to about a stream? Im interested in having one installed in my garden  ;D


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: middleweight on November 22, 2014, 05:43:50 PM
Does anybody have the running order?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: grizzlyadams on November 22, 2014, 05:50:13 PM
A pub on the waterfront in Playa Blanca are showing it so that'll do for me. Coverage starts 9.30 though so I expect we'll miss most of the undercard.

Thinking Bellew early or Clev points. Tony boxed so well in the opening stages of the first fight but I don't know if he can hold it together over 12. Should be a good tear up though whatever happens.

Can't believe the bollucks between Degale and Groves. Froch, Dirrell, Ward, Abraham, Taylor, Kessler duke it out to be crowned undisputed best super middleweight. Then degale and groves take to twitter to argue who is chief support 🙈


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: smoky on November 22, 2014, 06:13:29 PM
Can someone please send me a good quality link to the bellew-cleverly card?


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Driscoll on November 22, 2014, 06:20:23 PM
Jamie McDonnell (world champion) on already as a warm up. That's a bit rediculous 


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: dannffc on November 22, 2014, 06:34:36 PM
Got Chacon up a round going in to 5...


Title: Re: Bellew Cleverly PPV?
Post by: Bonters on November 23, 2014, 12:46:58 AM
I bet Eddie will be praying for a close points win to Bellew?  Cue the stadium based decider!  Simple as that!   ;D

Never forget, you read it here first!  That fight was abysmal.  Bellew said he would put Cleverly to sleep, whereas he actually put ME to sleep.  And straight afterwards, he's talking a decider in a stadium.  Pish!  A total fix.   >:(