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Title: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on July 08, 2016, 04:20:51 PM
Confirmed


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on July 08, 2016, 04:22:48 PM
10th of sept O2


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: SteveR on July 08, 2016, 04:23:51 PM
Just seen it break on sky sports news. What weight??


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on July 08, 2016, 04:24:23 PM
Middleweight


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: liamo on July 08, 2016, 04:24:32 PM
Wow!!! If kell can stay on his toes I could see him winning this. Needs to be on his bike allllll night long.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 08, 2016, 04:24:40 PM
Well, that came out of leftfield. Not unlike Khan v Canelo.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on July 08, 2016, 04:26:44 PM
Wow I just read this thought it was a fantasy fight


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: MadMariner on July 08, 2016, 04:28:43 PM

Hotel booked :)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on July 08, 2016, 04:35:33 PM
Wow. Did not see that coming!

Guess Jr couldn't find his pen  // ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on July 08, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
Matchroom Boxing and K2 Promotions are delighted to announce that Gennady Golovkin will defend his IBF, WBA, WBC and IBO Middleweight World titles against IBF Welterweight champion Kell Brook at The O2 in London on September 10, live on Sky Sports Box Office and HBO World Championship Boxing.

The two unbeaten stars collide in London with the US-based Kazakh KO king Golovkin stepping into the ring as a defending champion for the 16th time and looking to keep up his incredible knockout percentage – with 32 of his previous 35 fights ending early, including all of his World title outings, and the 34 year old is ready to add to that run in his first fight in the UK.

“I’m very excited to be fighting in front of the great British boxing fans and promise another ‘Big Drama Show’ against Kell Brook,” said Golovkin.

Most recently Golovkin has sold out famed venues in the United States, Madison Square Garden in New York City and The Fabulous Forum in Los Angeles.

On October 17, 2015 Golovkin knocked out IBF Middleweight World Champion David Lemieux at Madison Square Garden in front of 20,548. Most recently, Golovkin stopped undefeated mandatory challenger Dominic Wade on April 23, 2016 in the second round at the sold-out Fabulous Forum before a crowd of 16,353.

‘GGG’ has beaten two British fighters already in his career in Matthew Macklin and Martin Murray, but Brook will be out to take his mantel as the World’s most feared fighter. ‘The Special One’ moves up from Welterweight where he holds the IBF title that he ripped from Shawn Porter in August 2014, defending it three times since then with KO wins in all to take his own impressive unbeaten record to 36-0 with 25 wins inside the distance.

Brook – who will retain his status as IBF Welterweight champion – has been hunting a major fight since landing the World title, and the 30 year old believes he has the tools to defeat Golovkin and become boxing’s biggest star.

“This is the fight and the moment I have been waiting for for some time,” said Brook. “We've tried and tried to lure the best to come and fight me and now we've got the best of the best – the number one pound for pound fighter in the world is coming to the UK.

“When this fight got offered to me I accepted within minutes and I can't wait. Everyone knows I'm a huge welterweight and I know I will carry my speed and accuracy and even more power through the weights. This is the ultimate fight, one of the biggest international fights the country has seen in many years - you have seen some huge names run from GGG but I'm running to him. I'm a Special fighter and I will show the World on September 10.”

“We’re very excited to have Gennady fight for the first time in the UK,” said Golovkin’s promoter Tom Loffler. “We have a great deal of respect for Kell Brook for stepping up and facing Gennady when so many have been reluctant to do so.

“We look forward to working with Eddie and the Matchroom Boxing team on this huge international fight on September 10.”

“I cannot tell you how excited I am for this mega fight,” said Brook’s promoter Eddie Hearn. “I've worked hard with Tom over the years to bring GGG to the UK and now we do it as the number one pound-for-pound fighter in the world. Right here you have the number one Welterweight in the world against the number one Middleweight in the world – 36-0 vs. 35-0, two of the best on the planet, it's what big time boxing is all about.

“I couldn't be happier for Kell. We have pushed for that big name for a long time with many reluctant to step into the ring with him and now this is the ultimate challenge, the biggest fight of 2016 and I can't tell you how happy I am to bring it to the UK. September 10 is going to be an incredible night at The O2 – it's a special night for British sport and we will provide a packed show with multiple World title fights and some of the biggest names in British boxing.”

Adam Smith Head of Boxing at Sky Sports said: “What a massive announcement! It’s the kind of an astonishing twist that can only happen in our sport. Britain’s longest reigning unbeaten fighter and world welterweight champion Kell Brook moves up to challenge Gennady Golovkin who brings his world middleweight titles to our shores. With 71 wins between them, 57 by knockout and no defeats, it’s a wonderful clash and a huge opportunity for Sheffield’s ‘Special One’. It promises to be another great night on Sky Sports Box Office!” 

Information on ticket on-sale dates and prices will be released early next week.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 08, 2016, 04:48:40 PM
f***ing lol. Hypocrisy on a new level.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jorg21 on July 08, 2016, 04:50:51 PM
Didn't see that one coming!  :o Wonder how the Eubanks are feeling right now.  ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on July 08, 2016, 04:55:26 PM
Didn't see that one coming!  :o Wonder how the Eubanks are feeling right now.  ;D



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Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on July 08, 2016, 04:57:24 PM
Wow!!! If kell can stay on his toes I could see him winning this. Needs to be on his bike allllll night long.


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Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on July 08, 2016, 05:22:44 PM
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Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on July 08, 2016, 05:36:42 PM
Ggg 1/5

Anything Khan can do .......


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: AO88 on July 08, 2016, 05:42:18 PM
Fair play to Kell, give him the credit he deserves.

Strange and dissapointing though from GGG.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on July 08, 2016, 06:13:36 PM
Fair play to Kell, give him the credit he deserves.

Strange and dissapointing though from GGG.

It's hard to call but GGG isn't a huge middle and he's very beatable were as Kell drains down it'll be interesting....


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Laney on July 08, 2016, 06:21:00 PM
Que Brook vs Khan at Wembley next summer for the 147 pound belt...


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: AO88 on July 08, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
It's hard to call but GGG isn't a huge middle and he's very beatable were as Kell drains down it'll be interesting....

I think golovkin will eat him up to be honest.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on July 08, 2016, 08:09:18 PM
Fair play to Hearn here.

He didn't waste anytime when Eubank Jnr was stalling and after the Eubanks binned him last time i guess he didn't owe them anything.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jimjack on July 08, 2016, 08:49:19 PM
Something isn't right here. Brook just doesn't need the fight, on form he's the best welter out there, obviously a reason he's taking a fight two weights up that he has little chance of seeing half way.
Seems like last a desperate fight to take for Brook.
I know people will say fair play, just plain stupid imo.

He's asleep before match of the day.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 08, 2016, 09:10:01 PM
If Brook is struggling to make 147 then it's not necessarily the worst move.  There aren't any big fights at 154 with the domestic interest of the Smith fight off the table.  And Brook would get to be the middleweight champ if he beats GGG, not a belt holder like Khan would've been in beating Canelo.

I can see to a point why Brook's team would fancy the style match up too. Although it does have the same feel as Khan V Canelo with Brook doing good work for the first half of the fight before being caught big.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 08, 2016, 09:29:58 PM
Can people stop making excuses for this joke fight please. Thank you.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tito on July 08, 2016, 10:31:19 PM
Hearn must hate Brook why risk his undefeated record and a horrendous beating when Brook can fight guys his own size and just keep making decent money and build for a fight with Thurman, Garcia, Bradley, Pacquaio or even Mayweather.
GGG as to come under some serious stick as well he is fighting someone much smaller and no disrespect to Brook but he just don't have the power to shift this guy or have the ability to outbox him. Brook as shown vulnerability at times he as fought at 154 before but GGG will come in at 160 and still have every advantage going into the ring.
If Brook is doing it for the money you can't blame him but in 3 days as he ever actually fought what he is getting into and the repuercutions of sustaining a career changing loss.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 08, 2016, 11:05:11 PM
Hearn must hate Brook why risk his undefeated record and a horrendous beating when Brook can fight guys his own size and just keep making decent money and build for a fight with Thurman, Garcia, Bradley, Pacquaio or even Mayweather.
GGG as to come under some serious stick as well he is fighting someone much smaller and no disrespect to Brook but he just don't have the power to shift this guy or have the ability to outbox him. Brook as shown vulnerability at times he as fought at 154 before but GGG will come in at 160 and still have every advantage going into the ring.
If Brook is doing it for the money you can't blame him but in 3 days as he ever actually fought what he is getting into and the repuercutions of sustaining a career changing loss.

Brook is deseperate for that Super fight and that big payday. He's 30 years old, he hasn't got time to be playing the waiting game. Same goes for GGG. Eubank didn't want it, I don't think there were many options for both fighters. I don't blame either of them. It's clear they want to fight the Biggest names in their respective weight divisions, but the biggest names won't fight them. It's seems like this has been hastily put together. Credit to Brook for stepping up.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 08, 2016, 11:26:17 PM
Brook is deseperate for that Super fight and that big payday. He's 30 years old, he hasn't got time to be playing the waiting game. Same goes for GGG. Eubank didn't want it, I don't think there were many options for both fighters. I don't blame either of them. It's clear they want to fight the Biggest names in their respective weight divisions, but the biggest names won't fight them. It's seems like this has been hastily put together. Credit to Brook for stepping up.

Bull shit. GGG ran from the Ward fight, turned down a 155lb offer from Canelo and slated Canelo for bringing Khan up to 155lbs.

Now GGG was in negotiations with the Ehbanks but was secretly working to bring Brook up to 160lbs and you think it's because he wants to fight the biggest names?

Kell Brook...biggest names? Wow.

Bull shit fight, bull shit excuses, bull shit from team GGG....again.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 09, 2016, 12:17:35 AM
Wow wow wow. I want a ticket for this fight.

The guy goes from jo jo dan, bizier to triple f***ing G.

Oh shit.  What are all those Americans going to say about brook being too scared to fight Errol Spence... In your face.

Kudos to brook... Jumping two proper weight classes to fight the number 2 p4p.

Somebodies ohhhhhh is gotta gooooooo.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 09, 2016, 07:38:54 AM
Bull shit. GGG ran from the Ward fight, turned down a 155lb offer from Canelo and slated Canelo for bringing Khan up to 155lbs.

Now GGG was in negotiations with the Ehbanks but was secretly working to bring Brook up to 160lbs and you think it's because he wants to fight the biggest names?

Kell Brook...biggest names? Wow.

Bull shit fight, bull shit excuses, bull shit from team GGG....again.

We all know you have extreme cognitive bias on this so theres no point in even engaging you on it......but I will.
Eddie Hearn broke down what happened. Facts....

- The Eubanks were given a deadline for the fight and chose not to accept it.
- Hearn had been working on this for 3 weeks and was getting no where because of the Eubanks
- GGG agreed terms and was ready to sign to fight Junior, but Jr lost his pen (apparently)
- Eddie Hearn contacted Kell Brook, it had nothing to do with GGG
- Hearn mentioned what happened with Eubank in passing, Kell Brook said he'd take the fight.
- The deal was made in 24hs, after Hearn brought the offer to GGG.

But of course your Confirmation bias on this means you (move away from intelligent rational thinking) want to believe that it was GGG 'in secret negotiations with Brook' all along (the scoundrel!). Absolutely ridiculous.






Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 09, 2016, 09:35:14 AM
Unfortunately it looks as though this fight will go the same way as the last two joshua fights in terms of tickets.  Matchroom will say they sold out in 2 minutes whilst really selling them for an undisclosed percentage to stub hub... who will then sell them for 4 times the face value. Rip off Britain strikes again.

Not sure why they didn't opt for a stadium fight like the vargas intentions.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: ashishwarrior on July 09, 2016, 09:38:17 AM
Either brook was not that close to death in Tenerife or he likes flirting with it
U ope he is getting more than the 13 million khan allegedly got


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on July 09, 2016, 09:42:24 AM
http://youtu.be/Wnl0HbRtzOQ (http://youtu.be/Wnl0HbRtzOQ)   >:(


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 09, 2016, 09:48:08 AM
Money talks Faulkes. Remember this is a middleweight wanting to fight mayweather. This is no different.

Could this be brook cashing out. Or is he going to shake up the world.

Win or lose his market value will go through the roof amongst the other WW in the division.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 09, 2016, 10:12:53 AM
Khan tweeted: "Great work Eddie, preferred to have seen Chris Eubank Jr. fight Golovkin with his style but fair play. Behind you 100% Kell Brook. Glad you took a leaf out of my book, tough ask but anything can happen, just don't pull out. British fighters running the sport of boxing right now, so many fighters willing to fight the best and taking chances."

 ;D ;D ;D.... back handed support.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on July 09, 2016, 10:50:59 AM
I'm taking kell in this fight


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 09, 2016, 11:08:40 AM
Brook is only 9/2 for the win on Sky Bet. I think Lemieux was longer odds than that.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 09, 2016, 11:55:20 AM
We all know you have extreme cognitive bias on this so theres no point in even engaging you on it......but I will.
Eddie Hearn broke down what happened. Facts....

- The Eubanks were given a deadline for the fight and chose not to accept it.
- Hearn had been working on this for 3 weeks and was getting no where because of the Eubanks
- GGG agreed terms and was ready to sign to fight Junior, but Jr lost his pen (apparently)
- Eddie Hearn contacted Kell Brook, it had nothing to do with GGG
- Hearn mentioned what happened with Eubank in passing, Kell Brook said he'd take the fight.
- The deal was made in 24hs, after Hearn brought the offer to GGG.

But of course your Confirmation bias on this means you (move away from intelligent rational thinking) want to believe that it was GGG 'in secret negotiations with Brook' all along (the scoundrel!). Absolutely ridiculous.






Wow you lost me when you stated that Eddie Hear broke down the facts hahaha. Good old reliable Eddie.

This post has came straight from the location of GGG's arse hole.

Rational thinking? Holy duck you just called a guy who coming of title defences v Frank Gain and Kevin Bizier one of the biggest names hahaha hahaha WOW.

The Eubank fight was there to be made but GGG has instead opted for another guy that campaigns at lower weights.

He refused to move up 8lbs for Ward or down 5lbs for Canelo and you're now defending him bringing Brook up two weight classes because in your words 'wants the biggest names" wow just wow.

O and just to clarify the guy was in secret negotiations with Brook hence why no one knew about it...the Eubanks didn't and none of us lot had a clue....I'd call that pretty secret.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Goldenboy87 on July 09, 2016, 01:00:18 PM
Personally feel nothing for this fight, GGG will just smash him to bits - going up 2 weight divisions makes absolutely no sense other than getting a great pay cheque.

Prefer to watch a quality UFC card nowadays than watch the mismatches served up in Boxing.

Unfortunately the Thurman v Porter fights are few and far between and even when you get a good matchup the undercard fights are not worth the time of day.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Wilsonhammers on July 09, 2016, 01:13:43 PM
I can't see how brook has any chance in this one, he struggled with the pressure of Carson Jones, how is going to deal with ggg, what's more as this is a ppv fight it won't be a ppv card so I'm not expecting the undercard to be great. So there's not much to look forward to with this. I would love brook to pull it off tho but I just can't see how


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Goldenboy87 on July 09, 2016, 01:49:41 PM
I can't see how brook has any chance in this one, he struggled with the pressure of Carson Jones, how is going to deal with ggg, what's more as this is a ppv fight it won't be a ppv card so I'm not expecting the undercard to be great. So there's not much to look forward to with this. I would love brook to pull it off tho but I just can't see how

Hearn will have spent every penny on Brook v Golovkin so expect Campbell, Whyte, Murray, Paul Smith and Stephen Smith to be wheeled out in complete mismatches.

Great night of Boxing!!!


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Wilsonhammers on July 09, 2016, 02:01:28 PM
Hearn will have spent every penny on Brook v Golovkin so expect Campbell, Whyte, Murray, Paul Smith and Stephen Smith to be wheeled out in complete mismatches.

Great night of Boxing!!!


That's my point right there


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 09, 2016, 02:16:24 PM
Wow. What a depressing bunch.   ;D ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 09, 2016, 02:30:38 PM
Wow you lost me when you stated that Eddie Hear broke down the facts hahaha. Good old reliable Eddie.

This post has came straight from the location of GGG's arse hole.

Rational thinking? Holy duck you just called a guy who coming of title defences v Frank Gain and Kevin Bizier one of the biggest names hahaha hahaha WOW.

The Eubank fight was there to be made but GGG has instead opted for another guy that campaigns at lower weights.

He refused to move up 8lbs for Ward or down 5lbs for Canelo and you're now defending him bringing Brook up two weight classes because in your words 'wants the biggest names" wow just wow.

O and just to clarify the guy was in secret negotiations with Brook hence why no one knew about it...the Eubanks didn't and none of us lot had a clue....I'd call that pretty secret.

You cling onto that ward argument like a baldman clings onto his Toupee in a gust of wind. GGG is hardly Maywweather when it comes to ducking opponents. He isn't a Super middleweight.

It wasn't a secret because negotiations with the Eubanks had virtually come to an end. Junior didn't want the fight.  Hearn had every right to go somewhere else. It's clear he really wants GGG in the UK regardless of Eubank.

The size difference isn't going to be as much as people are making out. GGG is a small Middleweight and Brook, a big Welter. Theyre almost the same height. Its an intriguing fight. 



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: GOD on July 09, 2016, 02:34:36 PM
Something isn't right here. Brook just doesn't need the fight, on form he's the best welter out there, obviously a reason he's taking a fight two weights up that he has little chance of seeing half way.
Seems like last a desperate fight to take for Brook.
I know people will say fair play, just plain stupid imo.

He's asleep before match of the day.

It's all about the money mate...£3 million I've heard?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: GOD on July 09, 2016, 02:38:08 PM
We all know you have extreme cognitive bias on this so theres no point in even engaging you on it......but I will.
Eddie Hearn broke down what happened. Facts....

- The Eubanks were given a deadline for the fight and chose not to accept it.
- Hearn had been working on this for 3 weeks and was getting no where because of the Eubanks
- GGG agreed terms and was ready to sign to fight Junior, but Jr lost his pen (apparently)
- Eddie Hearn contacted Kell Brook, it had nothing to do with GGG
- Hearn mentioned what happened with Eubank in passing, Kell Brook said he'd take the fight.
- The deal was made in 24hs, after Hearn brought the offer to GGG.

But of course your Confirmation bias on this means you (move away from intelligent rational thinking) want to believe that it was GGG 'in secret negotiations with Brook' all along (the scoundrel!). Absolutely ridiculous.






To be fair to Tim though mate, Abel Sanchez kind of unintentionally dropped a clanger in an interview he did subsequent to confirmation of the fight, where he kind of hinted that this was the "Plan B" for a lot longer than the actual two days of "formal" negotiations, so there MUST have been at least "informal" negotiations about this fight from a lot earlier than has been suggested by Hearn...Hearn would never concede this in all reality because it would make him look bad in terms of perhaps appearing to Shaft Eubank Jr...i don't blame him one bit to be honest though, because the Eubanks are so hard to deal with, so he needed to have a solid plan B especially with the 02 Booked (he himself conceded that you need to get 02 booked ASAP because dates are of a premium), and he wouldn't want to look stupid by having to cancel etc knowing how much of a liability the Eubanks can be...I firmly believe the Sanchez insight into all of this


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 09, 2016, 02:58:30 PM
You cling onto that ward argument like a baldman clings onto his Toupee in a gust of wind. GGG is hardly Maywweather when it comes to ducking opponents. He isn't a Super middleweight.

It wasn't a secret because negotiations with the Eubanks had virtually come to an end. Junior didn't want the fight.  Hearn had every right to go somewhere else. It's clear he really wants GGG in the UK regardless of Eubank.

The size difference isn't going to be as much as people are making out. GGG is a small Middleweight and Brook, a big Welter. Theyre almost the same height. Its an intriguing fight. 



O sorry for pointing out the hypocrisy of team GGG.

Negotiations were far from at the end...why didn't team GGG contact the Eubanks and tell them to take the original offer or they will be fighting Brook?

Blatantly because GGG would rather fight Brook who is by far the safer option. It's a bitch move by GGG...one of many and definately not the last.

Again I'll point out that he slated Canelo for bringing Khan up to 155lbs yet he's got Brook to come to 160lbs.

If GGG is a small middleweight why wouldn't he take Canelos offer at 155lbs?

As for this fight being intriguing...that's laughable. It's a win for GGG regardless of how good Brooks chin may be.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on July 09, 2016, 03:01:51 PM
We all know you have extreme cognitive bias on this so theres no point in even engaging you on it......but I will.
Eddie Hearn broke down what happened. Facts....

- The Eubanks were given a deadline for the fight and chose not to accept it.
- Hearn had been working on this for 3 weeks and was getting no where because of the Eubanks
- GGG agreed terms and was ready to sign to fight Junior, but Jr lost his pen (apparently)
- Eddie Hearn contacted Kell Brook, it had nothing to do with GGG
- Hearn mentioned what happened with Eubank in passing, Kell Brook said he'd take the fight.
- The deal was made in 24hs, after Hearn brought the offer to GGG.

But of course your Confirmation bias on this means you (move away from intelligent rational thinking) want to believe that it was GGG 'in secret negotiations with Brook' all along (the scoundrel!). Absolutely ridiculous.






I don't believe for one minute Jnr lost his pen his old man was supposed to be signing the fight by Wednesday and he didn't if anyone is to blame for Jnr not meeting GGG its the old mans ego and belief in his own self importance.

GGG is very beatable and I fully expected Jnr to give him a very tough nights work if not sneak the win. GGG isn't a massive middleweight and its really impossible to predict how big Brook will be come fight night. On paper this is a bullshit fight, either Brook is looking long term couple of million for this fight and Khan later on for a couple of million still a very sellable fight and retirement.

Its also possible at 35 GGG is starting to slow down and isn't as tough as he once was and he's looking for larger paydays beats Brook and Fast Car really goes into Hype overdrive with the Jnr fight another decent payday for GGG. I'm willing to bet Jnr is on the undercard and some sort of ring face off confrontation happens after GGG beats Brook  ;D.




Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 09, 2016, 03:02:50 PM
Amazing how Eddie Hearn get ripped to shreds on here every single day yet the second he's backing the GGG fan Bois all of a sudden he's the voice of reasoning and facts.

 ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: GOD on July 09, 2016, 03:58:27 PM
O sorry for pointing out the hypocrisy of team GGG.

Negotiations were far from at the end...why didn't team GGG contact the Eubanks and tell them to take the original offer or they will be fighting Brook?

Blatantly because GGG would rather fight Brook who is by far the safer option. It's a bitch move by GGG...one of many and definately not the last.

Again I'll point out that he slated Canelo for bringing Khan up to 155lbs yet he's got Brook to come to 160lbs.

If GGG is a small middleweight why wouldn't he take Canelos offer at 155lbs?

As for this fight being intriguing...that's laughable. It's a win for GGG regardless of how good Brooks chin may be.

I agree with everything you say mate, yet I must admit I'm still intrigued by the fight...it's gonna be like watching a live experiment in terms of how much punishment Brook is able to take before folding and what his pain threshold is...it's gonna be a beautiful hurting...


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on July 09, 2016, 04:13:19 PM
I very much doubt they could have sold team GGG on fighting in a football stadium in Sheffield in the middle of September.  ;D

Wonder where this leaves Eubank Jr. Had chance to fight for world title in his own country on a PPV show, be a while before other world champions even entertain him in terms of talks. Very little credibility after this episode.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 09, 2016, 04:16:04 PM
I agree with everything you say mate, yet I must admit I'm still intrigued by the fight...it's gonna be like watching a live experiment in terms of how much punishment Brook is able to take before folding and what his pain threshold is...it's gonna be a beautiful hurting...

Yeah to be fair they're reasons to watch this fight for sure. I give Brook a better chance in this then I gave Khan v Canelo and the question over how Brook copes at the weight etc.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: pogo on July 09, 2016, 04:49:06 PM
Oh dear, Bizier to GGG in one short step.

RIP Kell.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 09, 2016, 06:51:38 PM
I very much doubt they could have sold team GGG on fighting in a football stadium in Sheffield in the middle of September.  ;D

Wonder where this leaves Eubank Jr. Had chance to fight for world title in his own country on a PPV show, be a while before other world champions even entertain him in terms of talks. Very little credibility after this episode.

Chris Eubank Jr is only 26 years old.  Your making it sound like his career is over already. It wasn't long ago that one of the top fighters in the world gave up his WBC belt to avoid this guy. Eubank jnr will have his day hopefully after brook softens GGG up.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Laney on July 09, 2016, 07:27:54 PM
The same people who slated Brook for poor level of opposition are the same ones criticising him for stepping in with GGG!? No pleasing some I guess!? No wonder we are labelled a country of professional moaners!



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on July 09, 2016, 07:43:07 PM
The same people who slated Brook for poor level of opposition are the same ones criticising him for stepping in with GGG!? No pleasing some I guess!? No wonder we are labelled a country of professional moaners!



Fair point mate.

GGG is going to smash the granny out of Brook though.

His choice at the end of the day.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 09, 2016, 08:38:13 PM
Fair point mate.

GGG is going to smash the granny out of Brook though.

His choice at the end of the day.

Well at the very least it will finally kill off the ..."yeah but who has brook fought" brigade.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Laney on July 09, 2016, 08:38:51 PM
Fair point mate.

GGG is going to smash the granny out of Brook though.

His choice at the end of the day.

Absolutely agreed mate. Since Porter, the opponents have been slated for being poor then he takes on a mammoth challenge and gets slated again! The chap can't win!

I say fair play to him, if he manages to pull it off, he catapults himself into superstardom overnight. If he doesn't, he still have the IBF strap at 147 and all fights he is chasing now will still be there. It may even make the Khan fight easier to agree!


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 09, 2016, 09:11:12 PM
Can't blame Brook for taking the hardest challenge. Can blame GGG for taking the easiest....again.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: pogo on July 09, 2016, 09:47:30 PM
Absolutely agreed mate. Since Porter, the opponents have been slated for being poor then he takes on a mammoth challenge and gets slated again! The chap can't win!

I say fair play to him, if he manages to pull it off, he catapults himself into superstardom overnight. If he doesn't, he still have the IBF strap at 147 and all fights he is chasing now will still be there. It may even make the Khan fight easier to agree!


To be fair his opponents get slated cos they were gash. I mean Frankie Gavin, destroyed at European level etc. I wont even go into Dan and that other guy.

I doubt anyones slating Kell for stepping up and taking a shot, but lets be real, he has no chance. He was there when a slot needed filling, and no doubt will receive a big pay day. Probably more importantly  Eddie gets another PPV  but as a competitive spectacle it seems to me a huge  damp squib.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jimjack on July 09, 2016, 09:53:49 PM
Absolutely agreed mate. Since Porter, the opponents have been slated for being poor then he takes on a mammoth challenge and gets slated again! The chap can't win!

I say fair play to him, if he manages to pull it off, he catapults himself into superstardom overnight. If he doesn't, he still have the IBF strap at 147 and all fights he is chasing now will still be there. It may even make the Khan fight easier to agree. !

My only question is the reason behind taking the fight. If it's because he just wants the hardest fights, then fair play (doesn't ring true to date though - not him btw his team). However I can't help but think there is a bit more to this.
I'm guessing Kell has some issues with weight, or training, or boxing, or his personal life... And he wants a decent pension. No need for brook to take this fight, no sense in him taking it either.
He's the best welter out there, but he's taking s fight he must know he's little chance in winning.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on July 09, 2016, 10:02:57 PM
I can't blame Brook for taking this fight but surely somebody sensible has to say this is terrible match making.

GGG should be fighting Jacobs or Canelo it's disgraceful really on his part.

People saying he has all the other 147 fighters & Khan afterwards that maybe true but the beating he will could take everything out of him.

I don't see this going beyond 6 rounds it's a repeat of Khan v Canelo.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 10, 2016, 12:26:35 AM

If GGG is a small middleweight why wouldn't he take Canelos offer at 155lbs?

As for this fight being intriguing...that's laughable. It's a win for GGG regardless of how good Brooks chin may be.

Remember B-hop fighting Dela hoya?...whats the difference? Other than Dela hoya was a bigger name, B-hop was a huge middleweight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 10, 2016, 12:28:54 AM
I don't believe for one minute Jnr lost his pen his old man was supposed to be signing the fight by Wednesday and he didn't if anyone is to blame for Jnr not meeting GGG its the old mans ego and belief in his own self importance.

GGG is very beatable and I fully expected Jnr to give him a very tough nights work if not sneak the win. GGG isn't a massive middleweight and its really impossible to predict how big Brook will be come fight night. On paper this is a bullshit fight, either Brook is looking long term couple of million for this fight and Khan later on for a couple of million still a very sellable fight and retirement.

Its also possible at 35 GGG is starting to slow down and isn't as tough as he once was and he's looking for larger paydays beats Brook and Fast Car really goes into Hype overdrive with the Jnr fight another decent payday for GGG. I'm willing to bet Jnr is on the undercard and some sort of ring face off confrontation happens after GGG beats Brook  ;D.


Seems like Eubank sr was to blame for negotiations falling apart with ridiculous demands. Maybe demands that he knew Hearn wouldn't agree to. Was it because he got cold feet in the end? I'm sure Junior wanted this fight. GGG took the next best offer. I don't blame him for that. He doesn't have alot of options. It's still a big fight though. The Eubank fight is still on the cards, that fight will be bigger should GGG beat Kell Brook.

Golovkin is at that age but hes a fresh 35, I don't recall him being in many wars. He wants that payday no doubt. With Jacobs and Canelo ducking and doging him he doesn't have many options.

Theres alot of bloody whinging on here.... If people aren't lamenting the fact fights aren't getting made because of boxing politics, theyre whinging when big fights are getting made and still not happy. Theres no pleasing some people.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 10, 2016, 12:38:54 AM
Remember B-hop fighting Dela hoya?...whats the difference? Other than Dela hoya was a bigger name, B-hop was a huge middleweight.

B hop and De La Hoya both had the intention to fight top opposition....something GGG has yet to show.

He's fighting Brook....anyone that defends that needs to pick a new sport. It's a farce.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on July 10, 2016, 07:47:12 AM
Remember B-hop fighting Dela hoya?...whats the difference? Other than Dela hoya was a bigger name, B-hop was a huge middleweight.

De La Hoya wasn't just a bigger name. He was the biggest name in the sport. Massive difference.

Plus Oscar already had a belt at the weight.

Plus it was at 158.

But otherwise ..... yeah, what's the difference.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 10, 2016, 10:51:41 AM
De La Hoya wasn't just a bigger name. He was the biggest name in the sport. Massive difference.

Plus Oscar already had a belt at the weight.

Plus it was at 158.

But otherwise ..... yeah, what's the difference.

Yeah because we all know Dela hoya won that belt fair and square right. *eye roll*

So in his next fight he fought two pounds under the limit, openly admitting his body didn't carry the weight. B-hop towered above him. GGG and Kell Brook are almost the same size.

In reality (not on paper) De la hoya lost his last two fights before he fought Bernard.  He had no business being in there.

If Brook vs GGG is some kind of farce of a fight then Dela Hoya vs B-hop was way more of a farce.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on July 10, 2016, 11:35:58 AM
Yeah because we all know Dela hoya won that belt fair and square right. *eye roll*

So in his next fight he fought two pounds under the limit, openly admitting his body didn't carry the weight. B-hop towered above him. GGG and Kell Brook are almost the same size.

In reality (not on paper) De la hoya lost his last two fights before he fought Bernard.  He had no business being in there.

If Brook vs GGG is some kind of farce of a fight then Dela Hoya vs B-hop was way more of a farce.

That's not what you said though.

You said they were the same. You've then done four paragraphs evidencing that they are not.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on July 10, 2016, 12:26:49 PM
In sticking by my kell brook wins this fight.

I don't think GGG is that good, not his fault but his division is wank .

Kelly's a huge welter, he could fill out nicely at middle.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 10, 2016, 01:43:40 PM
In sticking by my kell brook wins this fight.

I don't think GGG is that good, not his fault but his division is wank .

Kelly's a huge welter, he could fill out nicely at middle.


Brooks by far the best guy GGG has ever faced but the weight just seems too big a jump imo.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 10, 2016, 02:23:36 PM
The same people who slated Brook for poor level of opposition are the same ones criticising him for stepping in with GGG!? No pleasing some I guess!? No wonder we are labelled a country of professional moaners!


I Didn't see this until now. Spot on mate.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 10, 2016, 02:45:08 PM
Where has anyone criticised Brook for taking this fight?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jaff_no1 on July 10, 2016, 02:54:47 PM
Fair play to brook for taking this on. I have slated him for his opposition in the past but can't fault his stones for taking this on. And we'll done to Hearn for putting up the bucks to get ggg over here. And that is coming from one of hearn's biggest critics


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Wilsonhammers on July 10, 2016, 03:05:46 PM
I've not seen anyone slate brook, more to point people are slating ggg if anything which is fair comment. Also general opion is that brook don't have much chance which again is fair comment. If he had a longer camp to bulk up a bit then maybe but I think it's only about 9 weeks until the fight which is the longest camp in any circumstances. But fair play to brook hope he pulls it out of the bag but I would of preferred the eubank personally


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 10, 2016, 03:13:35 PM
I've not seen anyone slate brook, more to point people are slating ggg if anything which is fair comment. Also general opion is that brook don't have much chance which again is fair comment. If he had a longer camp to bulk up a bit then maybe but I think it's only about 9 weeks until the fight which is the longest camp in any circumstances. But fair play to brook hope he pulls it out of the bag but I would of preferred the eubank personally

this. Fair play to Brook, poor from GGG, Eubank better fight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 10, 2016, 03:50:47 PM
this. Fair play to Brook, poor from GGG, Eubank better fight.

Eubank fight will still be there. Brook needs a big fight more than Eubank jnr does right now.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 10, 2016, 03:55:50 PM
Eubank fight will still be there. Brook needs a big fight more than Eubank jnr does right now.

Brook needs a big fight at his own weight tbh.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: mac-rebel021 on July 10, 2016, 05:07:38 PM
Who would win if Eubank fought Brook?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on July 10, 2016, 05:09:33 PM
Who would win if Eubank fought Brook?


I'm not convinced Eubank has the power at world level, where Brook resides.

He's bigger and flashier perhaps, but he is too much style over substance for me.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on July 10, 2016, 05:14:14 PM
Anyone know or have an idea what both Brook and GGG normally weigh on fight night?

From looking at him Brook looks as if he would be in and around the 160 mark. If so then he doesn't really have to bulk up. Just won't have to boil down for the weigh in.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 10, 2016, 05:16:01 PM
Who would win if Eubank fought Brook?


At 160...Eubank.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 10, 2016, 05:36:30 PM
I think brook beats BJS at middleweight - not sure about Eubank though. That would be interesting.

I think GGG will beat brook - but I just hope that both are tested - as I've yet to see either of them struggling or hurt.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: mac-rebel021 on July 10, 2016, 05:52:38 PM
I think Brook would beat Jr ,  a bit too clever for him.
I dont think eubank is a huge puncher for a middleweight and is also not that difficult to hit.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Wilsonhammers on July 10, 2016, 06:41:29 PM
I'm not convinced Eubank has the power at world level, where Brook resides.

He's bigger and flashier perhaps, but he is too much style over substance for me.

I agree about the doubts of he's power, but style over substance is yet to proved or disproved, that's why I was looking forward to him fighting ggg. We know he can be outboxed but I wanted to see if he had he's dads determination and resolve, which I have a feeling he does. I think him vs ggg would be a war. If he can handle ggg's power I think he has enough punch output to inflict some damage himself, all together much more intriguing. Where as eubank vs brook, maybe brook could outbox him.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on July 10, 2016, 09:19:23 PM
Brook needs a big fight at his own weight tbh.

And he has struggled to get one hence why when Hearn told him the GGG-Eubank fight wasn't happening he was like "I'll take it"


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 10, 2016, 10:14:51 PM
And he has struggled to get one hence why when Hearn told him the GGG-Eubank fight wasn't happening he was like "I'll take it"

Vargas was a good fight for him...he took the eubank fight for the cash and the chance of a life time.

Brooks taking a chance v a guy that doesn't take chances.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 10, 2016, 10:21:34 PM
Vargas was a good fight for him...he took the eubank fight for the cash and the chance of a life time.

Brooks taking a chance v a guy that doesn't take chances.

It could be that GGG is fighting brook in the UK for less than Vargas was going to get.  Not sure.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 11, 2016, 12:37:44 AM
It could be that GGG is fighting brook in the UK for less than Vargas was going to get.  Not sure.

I imagine GGG would happily take a pay cut to avoid fighting outside 160lb.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on July 11, 2016, 07:01:48 AM
Anyone else feel the excitement and surprise of this bout has now worn off?

We are left with a welter whom may or may not be the best in his division, jumping up to the No1 at middleweight.

People can look at it as this 'great challenge' or equally as Kell whoring his 'O' for money.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: cloughie on July 11, 2016, 07:42:52 AM
its like losing the buzz halfway through a wank - and getting blue balls as a result.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 11, 2016, 08:23:51 AM
Anyone else feel the excitement and surprise of this bout has now worn off?

We are left with a welter whom may or may not be the best in his division, jumping up to the No1 at middleweight.

People can look at it as this 'great challenge' or equally as Kell whoring his 'O' for money.

I think it's good that boxers go back to the way things were before.  Instead of constantly in fear of losing a perfect record.  Nobody gave a shit before... which is why it was the golden era... it means everyone fights everyone.

I also commend GGG for taking a fight in the UK. You just know certain fighters would never have the balls to do that. Mayweather,  hopkins, Ward... etc.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on July 11, 2016, 10:00:30 AM
 GGG generates F*ck all income, his fight at the MSG on PPV completely bombed, (dont quote me but didn't i read less than 150k) I dont think HBO will PPV him again it was that bad.  It was there worst PPV in over 10 years.

He will be earning more from Sky than he's ever earned, for fighting a Welter, You can hardly blame the guy for taking this fight.

Canello is the PPV attraction, thats why he gets to call the shots with regards to weight, IF GGG wanted to earn mega bucks then he could of gone down in weight for the Mexican. He obviously wasnt that confident though.

I think he's there to be beat personally and I am looking forward to the fight. September is a good month for British Boxing


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Chris on July 11, 2016, 01:24:20 PM
its like losing the buzz halfway through a wank - and getting blue balls as a result.

 ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: son of bonters on July 11, 2016, 05:09:42 PM
Can people stop making excuses for this joke fight please. Thank you.

this. shit fight. shit shit shit fight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: son of bonters on July 11, 2016, 05:23:10 PM
We all know you have extreme cognitive bias on this so theres no point in even engaging you on it......but I will.
Eddie Hearn broke down what happened. Facts....

- The Eubanks were given a deadline for the fight and chose not to accept it.
- Hearn had been working on this for 3 weeks and was getting no where because of the Eubanks
- GGG agreed terms and was ready to sign to fight Junior, but Jr lost his pen (apparently)
- Eddie Hearn contacted Kell Brook, it had nothing to do with GGG
- Hearn mentioned what happened with Eubank in passing, Kell Brook said he'd take the fight.
- The deal was made in 24hs, after Hearn brought the offer to GGG.

But of course your Confirmation bias on this means you (move away from intelligent rational thinking) want to believe that it was GGG 'in secret negotiations with Brook' all along (the scoundrel!). Absolutely ridiculous.






Oh F*ck, well if Eddie said so...


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on July 11, 2016, 05:26:46 PM
GGG generates F*ck all income, his fight at the MSG on PPV completely bombed, (dont quote me but didn't i read less than 150k) I dont think HBO will PPV him again it was that bad.  It was there worst PPV in over 10 years.

He will be earning more from Sky than he's ever earned, for fighting a Welter, You can hardly blame the guy for taking this fight.

Canello is the PPV attraction, thats why he gets to call the shots with regards to weight, IF GGG wanted to earn mega bucks then he could of gone down in weight for the Mexican. He obviously wasnt that confident though.

I think he's there to be beat personally and I am looking forward to the fight. September is a good month for British Boxing

Been saying this for a while


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 11, 2016, 05:32:33 PM
Been saying this for a while

I get the impression that even GGG knows this, hence his reluctance to take any real chances.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on July 11, 2016, 07:09:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUzPkDdyjzo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUzPkDdyjzo)

Long interview but really worth the watch


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 11, 2016, 07:23:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUzPkDdyjzo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUzPkDdyjzo)

Long interview but really worth the watch

3 mins in and he's called GGG the no.1 p4p fighter in the world...may try watch the rest later but if he's starting the interview with bullshit I imagine he will keep it up throughout.

At any point did Hearn call the Eubanks and tell them to sign the deal that was on the table or he was going to give Brook the fight?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: lurkyshaka on July 11, 2016, 08:06:23 PM
3 mins in and he's called GGG the no.1 p4p fighter in the world...may try watch the rest later but if he's starting the interview with bullshit I imagine he will keep it up throughout.

At any point did Hearn call the Eubanks and tell them to sign the deal that was on the table or he was going to give Brook the fight?

He gave them a 5 PM deadline which they failed to adhere too. If you watch the interview in full its clear that Chris Eubank Snr is simply a nightmare to deal with. Its probably the only thing that Eddie and Frank W***** can agree on....lol


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 11, 2016, 08:27:29 PM
He gave them a 5 PM deadline which they failed to adhere too. If you watch the interview in full its clear that Chris Eubank Snr is simply a nightmare to deal with. Its probably the only thing that Eddie and Frank W***** can agree on....lol

I'm not saying the Eubanks aren't C**ts I'm just asking why Eddie(another C**t) didn't ring the Eubanks and tell them that they had to sign or lose the fight to Brook.

I think it's clear that once Brook put his name in the hat both Eddie and team GGG were a lot happier with that fight and so did the deal behind the Eubanks back.

I don't blame Eddie for fuckingoff the Eubanks but team GGG have made themselves out to be cowards the team with all talk and little action....again.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 11, 2016, 10:00:50 PM
I'm not saying the Eubanks aren't C**ts I'm just asking why Eddie(another C**t) didn't ring the Eubanks and tell them that they had to sign or lose the fight to Brook.

I think it's clear that once Brook put his name in the hat both Eddie and team GGG were a lot happier with that fight and so did the deal behind the Eubanks back.

I don't blame Eddie for fuckingoff the Eubanks but team GGG have made themselves out to be cowards the team with all talk and little action....again.

I don't think hearn can do that Tim. The moment he mentioned it to brook - brook said sign me up.  He cant go back and tell the Eubanks that brook will accept the fight if they don't... cus brook instantly accepted the fight.

Unless he speculates that brook would accept without mentioning it to him... and then telling Eubanks brook will be offered the fight if you don't agree... but then he comes off looking bad for trying to apply pressure on them to sign.

It doesn't take long to accept or decline a contract... and they did neither - even with all the tweets going around about losing his pen.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 11, 2016, 10:06:21 PM
I don't think hearn can do that Tim. The moment he mentioned it to brook - brook said sign me up.  He cant go back and tell the Eubanks that brook will accept the fight if they don't... cus brook instantly accepted the fight.

Unless he speculates that brook would accept without mentioning it to him... and then telling Eubanks brook will be offered the fight if you don't agree... but then he comes off looking bad for trying to apply pressure on them to sign.

It doesn't take long to accept or decline a contract... and they did neither - even with all the tweets going around about losing his pen.

 

From Hearns perspective you are right but nothing stopping GGG and his team from telling the Eubanks they will fight Brook if he doesn't sign...they chose not to.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 11, 2016, 10:10:06 PM
Thats true... I also found this odd.

Eubank Jnr... mentioned he never received a contract... "I haven't been shown one contract since my fight with GGG was announced. I'm still ready & waiting to sign. Fighting Brook is a joke "

... then later says “Hearn goes through a tough spot with my contract so offers you Brook as an easy way out and you take it. You ain’t no P4P king doing that.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 11, 2016, 10:19:24 PM
Thats true... I also found this odd.

Eubank Jnr... mentioned he never received a contract... "I haven't been shown one contract since my fight with GGG was announced. I'm still ready & waiting to sign. Fighting Brook is a joke "

... then later says “Hearn goes through a tough spot with my contract so offers you Brook as an easy way out and you take it. You ain’t no P4P king doing that.

Hmmm, Hearn, Eubank, GGG ...they all talk shit tbf. I know that when GGG pointed out that he'd signed and Eubank had lost his pen Eubank replied saying his pen was in his hand ready and waiting to sign as soon as he got the contract.

Surely Golovkin knew fighting a Brook would come with some serious backlash after his refusal to move weights previously and his criticism of Canelo fighting Khan. You'd think he'd of done all he could to get the Eubank fight but he obviously hasn't.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 11, 2016, 10:24:28 PM
Hmmm, Hearn, Eubank, GGG ...they all talk shit tbf. I know that when GGG pointed out that he'd signed and Eubank had lost his pen Eubank replied saying his pen was in his hand ready and waiting to sign as soon as he got the contract.

Surely Golovkin knew fighting a Brook would come with some serious backlash after his refusal to move weights previously and his criticism of Canelo fighting Khan. You'd think he'd of done all he could to get the Eubank fight but he obviously hasn't.

It can only mean one thing... the money GGG got was more than he was offered to face Eubank Jnr.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 11, 2016, 10:31:22 PM
It can only mean one thing... the money GGG got was more than he was offered to face Eubank Jnr.

Could well be. I'll just leave this here https://youtu.be/Uyt5ixbUQyQ


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: GOD on July 12, 2016, 12:26:28 AM
Anyone seen "The Parody" Hitler's reaction to the whole GGG / Eubank / Brook situation?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7YuAKofPbI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7YuAKofPbI)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 12, 2016, 05:58:29 AM
Anyone seen "The Parody" Hitler's reaction to the whole GGG / Eubank / Brook situation?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7YuAKofPbI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7YuAKofPbI)

Ahh.. hilarious. I never get tired watching these.    ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 12, 2016, 10:29:04 AM
Tickets for the blockbuster showdown between Gennady Golovkin and Kell Brook go on sale tomorrow (Wednesday July 13) ahead of their clash at The O2 in London on September 10, live on Sky Sports Box Office and HBO.

Pound-for-pound star Golovkin fights in the UK for the first time in his career and puts his IBF, WBA, WBC and IBO Middleweight titles on the line against the unbeaten IBF World Welterweight king Brook, with the duo sharing a combined record of 71-0 with 57 wins by KO.

Promoter Eddie Hearn announced the first additions to the undercard yesterday with former Team GB star Charlie Edwards challenging Johnriel Casimero for the IBF World Flyweight title and unbeaten teen sensation Conor Benn tasting his fourth fight in the paid ranks.

Tickets go on sale on Wednesday July 13 at midday to O2 Priority members at www.theO2.co.uk (http://www.theO2.co.uk).

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Tickets go on general sale on Friday July 15 at midday from www.theO2.co.uk (http://www.theO2.co.uk).

Tickets are priced between £40 to £500 will be available from www.theO2.co.uk (http://www.theO2.co.uk) and on 0844 856 0202. VIP tickets are £1,000 and available exclusively from Matchroom Boxing www.matchroomboxing.com (http://www.matchroomboxing.com).

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I wouldn't be happy at being behind people with o2 contracts if I had Fight Pass.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 12, 2016, 11:09:08 AM
Anyone an o2 priority member.  How do you become one ?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 12, 2016, 11:12:09 AM
Anyone an o2 priority member.  How do you become one ?

You've got to be on their network (or find someone you know that is!).


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 12, 2016, 01:21:47 PM
Anyone seen "The Parody" Hitler's reaction to the whole GGG / Eubank / Brook situation?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7YuAKofPbI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7YuAKofPbI)

 ;D ;D ;D

Brilliant lol


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 12, 2016, 02:23:05 PM
You've got to be on their network (or find someone you know that is!).

Thanks Hurricane... i managed to find someone.  Fingers crossed for tomorrow now.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: mac-rebel021 on July 12, 2016, 05:19:32 PM
https://twitter.com/spike_osullivan/status/752580669746864128?s=08

Spike o Sullivan  taking the piss of Eubank Snr


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 12, 2016, 06:25:44 PM
Can never understand fighters giving stick to guys who beat them up. Get over it spike.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on July 12, 2016, 06:44:47 PM
Can never understand fighters giving stick to guys who beat them up. Get over it spike.

Utterly cringeworthy.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: bigbibbs on July 12, 2016, 09:48:03 PM
doubt i would have gone anyway but just lost my job so no chance.

Anyway its a nothing fight and one that Brook will lever win.  Even if GGG slips on a banana skin, twists his ankle,  his laces snap and he loses a boot, puts his chin up and his hands down in despair Brook will never win.

Niether would eubank though but at least he was the right weight.

But OK give him his due he is taking the challenge when Canelo refuses to.  This will be Khan style repeat but this time for Brook.

By the way i got access to my account again yea!


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 12, 2016, 10:48:46 PM
Alvarez didn't refuse to fight GGG...he offered him the fight at 155lb.

Whatever people's thoughts are on the 155lb offer the fact is it was an offer and GGG turned it down point blank and will now be fighting a welterweight at 160lb.

https://youtu.be/DKG1DDgrTDk


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: lurkyshaka on July 13, 2016, 08:32:54 AM
Alvarez didn't refuse to fight GGG...he offered him the fight at 155lb.

Whatever people's thoughts are on the 155lb offer the fact is it was an offer and GGG turned it down point blank and will now be fighting a welterweight at 160lb.

https://youtu.be/DKG1DDgrTDk


Why would a middleweight champion fight the alleged linear middleweight champion at light-middle? The notion is ridiculous and only shows Alvarez up for being a coward as we all know he is physically best at middleweight, but he'll kill himself to make light-middle to swerve/duck/run from Golovkin.

Golovkin is now fighting Brook who has agreed to fight for the middleweight straps at middleweight. Major credit to Brook and can't blame Golovkin for taking what will be a high profile and very well paid fight in the UK.....Alvarez doesn't appear any less of a coward.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on July 13, 2016, 08:33:05 AM
doubt i would have gone anyway but just lost my job so no chance.


Sorry to hear that bud. You got anything else lined up ?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: east coast on July 13, 2016, 10:51:41 AM
Hi fellas. I am now in the virtual waiting room for tickets for this. Whats best value seats for boxing at the o2?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: cloughie on July 13, 2016, 11:04:54 AM
ask Eddie Hearn to show you his cock


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: east coast on July 13, 2016, 11:24:35 AM
Five minutes in and only single tickets avaliable.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on July 13, 2016, 11:37:23 AM
Im not going to this, hoping for the kov v ward and not boozing in September so i cant justify the 5-7 ton for a sober night down south..



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 13, 2016, 11:53:30 AM
Yep - Tried to get tickets. Starting price was £200. Not £40.

£40 ones must have been sold onto stubhub no doubt. They wasn't ever going to let someone pay £40 for this fight.

Watching on TV then.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on July 13, 2016, 12:12:45 PM
I was guaranteed four tickets through my Credit card, gave details to ethers off here..

f***ing stubhub


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 13, 2016, 12:15:21 PM
I was guaranteed four tickets through my Credit card, gave details to ethers off here..

f***ing stubhub

Gotta pay the fighters wages somehow... it ain't going to come out of hearns pocket. Gutted though.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: MFC_SE15 on July 13, 2016, 01:15:44 PM
First time I've been lucky on one of Hearns big shows found a couple of mates who had the o2 priority thingy and for once logged in fairly easily and got myself 4.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Laney on July 13, 2016, 01:22:14 PM
I was in two minds about going as despite being a big fight, its still a mismatch. Decided to try and then go from there.

Got through the waiting room but it wouldnt let me take either mine or my mates credit card details which both have plently of room on.

Decided that its fate not to go so gonna swerve it and keep my powder dry for Crolla vs Linares 2 weeks later, a much better match up IMO.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on July 13, 2016, 01:30:47 PM
Yeah im doing Crolla fight  8)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 13, 2016, 02:56:11 PM
Why would a middleweight champion fight the alleged linear middleweight champion at light-middle? The notion is ridiculous and only shows Alvarez up for being a coward as we all know he is physically best at middleweight, but he'll kill himself to make light-middle to swerve/duck/run from Golovkin.

Golovkin is now fighting Brook who has agreed to fight for the middleweight straps at middleweight. Major credit to Brook and can't blame Golovkin for taking what will be a high profile and very well paid fight in the UK.....Alvarez doesn't appear any less of a coward.

Why would a middleweight champion fight a welterweight?

I'm not even attempting to defend Alvarez but fact is the fight with him at 155lb is a lot more worth while then this joke fight v Brook. It's also more dangerous hence why GGG took the easy option again.

Kell Brook is too small, Golovkins words. https://youtu.be/Wnl0HbRtzOQ


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 13, 2016, 03:20:43 PM
Why would a middleweight champion fight a welterweight?

I'm not even attempting to defend Alvarez but fact is the fight with him at 155lb is a lot more worth while then this joke fight v Brook. It's also more dangerous hence why GGG took the easy option again.

Kell Brook is too small, Golovkins words. https://youtu.be/Wnl0HbRtzOQ


I guess Tim - if your the middleweight king and somebody wants to challenge you at middleweight (whether a Welter, SMW, or heavyweight)... he can only oblige. He is defending his dominance at 160lb regardless who they are and what their weight class is. He has no interest in moving up and down the weights at present.  


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jimjack on July 13, 2016, 03:28:41 PM
Why would a middleweight champion fight a welterweight?

I'm not even attempting to defend Alvarez but fact is the fight with him at 155lb is a lot more worth while then this joke fight v Brook. It's also more dangerous hence why GGG took the easy option again.

Kell Brook is too small, Golovkins words. https://youtu.be/Wnl0HbRtzOQ


Alvarez as you have pointed out previously had proved himself as a sucker in this potential fight. I also agree this fight is hard to defend for GGG. The only thing he has in his favour is that he ain't going anywhere as he's said previously. He's a middleweight and he's fighting for his titles at middleweight.
Personally I don't think he could believe his luck when Eddie threw brook at him in the middle of Eubank negotiations. He just sees this as a quick few quid imo.
Not defending the fight, but if someone offers you more money for doing an easier job than you normally do I think we would all take it.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 13, 2016, 03:36:52 PM
It's funny how GGG had never once stated his intention to fit for all the belts at 160lb until guys like Ward and Alvarez offered him fights at weights GGG had previously said he was happy to go to.

Again I am not defending Alvarez as he was the middleweight champion and should defend at middleweight but the fact remains he offered GGG the fight and GGG refused.

Now Golovkin will not fight at 155lb v Alvarez and will not fight at 168lb v Ward even though less then two years back he was name dropping the likes of Maywetaher, Pacquiao, Froch and Ward.

So let's say he saw sense and decided that moving weight to face these guys was to big an ask(fair if so) but doesn't that add to the farce of now having a guy move up two weight classes to fight him seeing as he wouldn't even lose 5lbs for what would have been a much bigger fight then this.

And let's not forget Golovkins criticism of Alvarez fight with Khan.

Imo it comes across as if Golovkin just doesn't rate himself nearly as highly as a majority of boxing fans do.

I think when all is said and done we will have another well though of fighter who was happy to dominate at his comfort zone but never really took the chances to find his full potential.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 13, 2016, 09:20:58 PM
Well Hopkins stayed at middleweight for 13 or so years, and he is considered as one of the great middleweights. So GGG has time on his side... doesn't he ? Why rush.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 13, 2016, 10:19:31 PM
Well Hopkins stayed at middleweight for 13 or so years, and he is considered as one of the great middleweights. So GGG has time on his side... doesn't he ? Why rush.

Agree. Hopkins spent all those years at middle and still worked his way up the divisions and ended up fighting at Light Heavy. How old was Hopkins when he fought De la Hoya?



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 13, 2016, 10:20:19 PM
People are underestimating Kell Brook. He'll be as big as GGG on the night and skillswise, I don't think GGG has faced anyone like Kell Brook before. Kell Brook is elite, I very much doubt he's just going to roll over as soon as he gets hit. Were not talking Khan here.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Laney on July 13, 2016, 10:34:30 PM
Did GGG shag your Mrs or something Tim!?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 13, 2016, 10:40:21 PM
 ^ ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 13, 2016, 10:42:11 PM
Did GGG shag your Mrs or something Tim!?


No mate she weights 120lb so he refused.

The guys playing you all for fools and I don't know how many more times I need to point it out. Every step he takes is surrounded with contradictions, excuses and straight up bull shit.

If GGGs every struggling for cash he could make a fortune selling you lot magic beans.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 13, 2016, 10:48:08 PM
People are underestimating Kell Brook. He'll be as big as GGG on the night and skillswise, I don't think GGG has faced anyone like Kell Brook before. Kell Brook is elite, I very much doubt he's just going to roll over as soon as he gets hit. Were not talking Khan here.

How much you sticking on Brook then? Perhaps those magic beans?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Laney on July 13, 2016, 10:52:55 PM
I think if you point it out a few more times that would help us mate  ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 13, 2016, 10:55:43 PM
I think if you point it out a few more times that would help us mate  ;D

Your loss mate...big boxing fans trying to justify ridiculous fights. Sad times.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 13, 2016, 10:57:31 PM
No mate she weights 120lb so he refused.

The guys playing you all for fools and I don't know how many more times I need to point it out.
Every step he takes is surrounded with contradictions, excuses and straight up bull shit.

How much you sticking on Brook then? Perhaps those magic beans?

(http://media1.giphy.com/media/NZhO1SEuFmhj2/giphy.gif)



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 13, 2016, 11:04:15 PM
Yep that's how it feels....love the part where you pointed out Kell will be the same size....making shit up to prove a point is always a game changer.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: ScottMillwall on July 14, 2016, 07:54:11 AM
Did GGG shag your Mrs or something Tim!?


No, much, much worse.... he called out Carl Froch.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 14, 2016, 08:18:21 AM
No, much, much worse.... he called out Carl Froch.

Brilliant  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 08:27:58 AM
  :D Wheeeyyyy, in Golovkins defence he was only name dropping so I'll let him off.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 14, 2016, 08:44:51 AM
Didn't Froch say the other week that he'd only have fought GGG at 172?  Two weight classes and 12lbs above GGG's weight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 08:57:37 AM
Didn't Froch say the other week that he'd only have fought GGG at 172?  Two weight classes and 12lbs above GGG's weight.

Yes, a year long retired Froch said this...pretty sure you've just inadvertently described just how bad this Golovkin v Brook fight is. Fair play  ;)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 14, 2016, 09:22:28 AM
Yes, a year long retired Froch said this...pretty sure you've just inadvertently described just how bad this Golovkin v Brook fight is. Fair play  ;)

That or showing the general prevalence of contradictions, excuses and straight up bullshit in boxing.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 09:38:36 AM
That or showing the general prevalence of contradictions, excuses and straight up bullshit in boxing.

I don't follow...Froch is retired. It's actually getting pretty cringy watching you lot defend this fight.

If this were Alvarez having Brook move to 155lb let alone 160lb he'd get ripped to shreds...tell me thats not true.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on July 14, 2016, 09:51:17 AM
 Hypothetically speaking Tim,

Honest answer..

What would you say if  Brook wins  8)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 14, 2016, 10:04:32 AM
I don't follow...Froch is retired. It's actually getting pretty cringy watching you lot defend this fight.

If this were Alvarez having Brook move to 155lb let alone 160lb he'd get ripped to shreds...tell me thats not true.

Exactly.  Yet he's still going on about fighting GGG at 172 in a fight that clearly isn't going to happen. 

I think Brook has had north of ten fights at Light-Middle and has actually been as high as 155 so I can't see why anyone would rip Canelo for it other than the fact that 155 isn't a proper weight to fight for titles at.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 10:05:58 AM
Hypothetically speaking Tim,

Honest answer..

What would you say if  Brook wins  8)

O I've sorted this so I'm right either way  ;D

GGG wins and I'll say I told you it was a shit pointless fight(most likely)

Brook wins and I'll say it shows why GGG wouldn't take any chances.  ;)

People seem to think I don't like GGG(the person) but I had no issue with the Eubank Jr fight and am one of ...if not the only person on here that wants to see him take dangerous fights and genuinely test himself but the way his fans praise him for knocking over tin cans the likely hood is he will not.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 10:13:43 AM
Exactly.  Yet he's still going on about fighting GGG at 172 in a fight that clearly isn't going to happen. 

I think Brook has had north of ten fights at Light-Middle and has actually been as high as 155 so I can't see why anyone would rip Canelo for it other than the fact that 155 isn't a proper weight to fight for titles at.

He was asked if he'd come back and fight Golovkin and answered by saying he'd only be able to make 172lb....think you're covering this with a heap of convenient bullshit to try and make a point that doesn't need making.

Hahahaha....sorry but that's poor I was expecting you to answer that question but you just make stuff up instead. I THINK Brook has actually been as high at 155lb??? haha he's a career welterweight, let's not fabricate ideas such as Kell struggling to make weight etc. You know I'm pretty sure at one point in time GGG weighed 147lb so in your logic perhaps GGG should be moving down for this fight???


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on July 14, 2016, 10:18:37 AM
O I've sorted this so I'm right either way  ;D

GGG wins and I'll say I told you it was a shit pointless fight(most likely)

Brook wins and I'll say it shows why GGG wouldn't take any chances.  ;)

People seem to think I don't like GGG(the person) but I had no issue with the Eubank Jr fight and am one of ...if not the only person on here that wants to see him take dangerous fights and genuinely test himself but the way his fans praise him for knocking over tin cans the likely hood is he will not.


You wont hear me say to many noce thin gs about GGG, as ive stated nuymerous times i think he's well overated, hes in a wank division void of any elite fighters much to his lucjk hence a true fighter goes hunting for the fights  albeit moving weights..

Ward moved up as he's cleared his division out, its what you do.. Especially if your not a draw like GGG, the guy lost HBO money on PPV he should be out hunting the big names big money.

He's very very luckly to get the brook fight land on him. Though i do feel he will get wiped out soon, id love it if that was Kel


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 14, 2016, 10:23:50 AM
He was asked if he'd come back and fight Golovkin and answered by saying he'd only be able to make 172lb....think you're covering this with a heap of convenient bullshit to try and make a point that doesn't need making.

Hahahaha....sorry but that's poor I was expecting you to answer that question but you just make stuff up instead. I THINK Brook has actually been as high at 155lb??? haha he's a career welterweight, let's not fabricate ideas such as Kell struggling to make weight etc. You know I'm pretty sure at one point in time GGG weighed 147lb so in your logic perhaps GGG should be moving down for this fight???

I did answer the question and I didn't say I 'think'.  Brook has weighed in at Light Middle on over ten occasions and has been up as high as 155.  I don't believe GGG has ever come in even close to weighing in at anything outside of the middleweight limit for any fight so that would be a very poor use of logic.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
You wont hear me say to many noce thin gs about GGG, as ive stated nuymerous times i think he's well overated, hes in a wank division void of any elite fighters much to his lucjk hence a true fighter goes hunting for the fights  albeit moving weights..

Ward moved up as he's cleared his division out, its what you do.. Especially if your not a draw like GGG, the guy lost HBO money on PPV he should be out hunting the big names big money.

He's very very luckly to get the brook fight land on him. Though i do feel he will get wiped out soon, id love it if that was Kel


I think you have a point. When a fighter talks up so many big fights but makes zero effort in actually landing those fights then you have to question his self belief.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 10:28:14 AM
I did answer the question and I didn't say I 'think'.  Brook has weighed in at Light Middle on over ten occasions and has been up as high as 155.  I don't believe GGG has ever come in even close to weighing in at anything outside of the middleweight limit for any fight so that would be a very poor use of logic.

When exactly did Kell Brook weigh in at 155lb and when was his last fight at light middle?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 14, 2016, 10:35:21 AM
When exactly did Kell Brook weigh in at 155lb and when was his last fight at light middle?

He was at 155 against David Gethin in 2008.  His last fight at Light-Middle was against Robles in Liverpool the fight before he beat Porter for the Welterweight title, so 2014.  He's had a lot though, the Carson Jones rematch was, as was his fight on the Froch v Ward undercard.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on July 14, 2016, 10:42:51 AM
He was at 155 against David Gethin in 2008.  His last fight at Light-Middle was against Robles in Liverpool the fight before he beat Porter for the Welterweight title, so 2014.  He's had a lot though, the Carson Jones rematch was, as was his fight on the Froch v Ward undercard.

I didnt realise he'd fought at light middle...

He's a big welter and looks like he could easily go up


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 10:54:21 AM
He was at 155 against David Gethin in 2008.  His last fight at Light-Middle was against Robles in Liverpool the fight before he beat Porter for the Welterweight title, so 2014.  He's had a lot though, the Carson Jones rematch was, as was his fight on the Froch v Ward undercard.

So 8 years ago he was 155lbs which is good enough reasoning for him to move to 160lb to fight a guy that turned down a career best pay day and mega fight over the sake of dropping 5lb from what he weighed in at in his last fight(but less then 8 years back)

If someones weight 8 years back justifies that move then consider Khan was 155lb in his last fight so do you think he should move up to 160lb too?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 14, 2016, 12:48:34 PM
So 8 years ago he was 155lbs which is good enough reasoning for him to move to 160lb to fight a guy that turned down a career best pay day and mega fight over the sake of dropping 5lb from what he weighed in at in his last fight(but less then 8 years back)

If someones weight 8 years back justifies that move then consider Khan was 155lb in his last fight so do you think he should move up to 160lb too?


He's moving up to the weight class above that of which he's had around a third of his career fights at.  I'm not going to get unduly concerned about it.  Equally if a guy wants to stay in a weight class at which he's operated during his entire career I'm not going to get upset about that either.

So you would be talking about Khan moving to 160 in 2024 then.  I wouldn't have a problem with him doing that either albeit he'd be getting on a bit.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 01:12:07 PM
He's moving up to the weight class above that of which he's had around a third of his career fights at.  I'm not going to get unduly concerned about it.  Equally if a guy wants to stay in a weight class at which he's operated during his entire career I'm not going to get upset about that either.

So you would be talking about Khan moving to 160 in 2024 then.  I wouldn't have a problem with him doing that either albeit he'd be getting on a bit.

Did Golovkin criticise Canelo for fighting Khan saying that Khan was too small? Yes

Did Golovkin state that Brook was too small? Yes

Did Golovkin refuse to move weight on two occasion for big fights? Yes

reading you talk about 5lbs as if it's nothing it's hilarious considering GGGs stance on that same amount of weight.

You all change you're own opinions each fight to suit the GGG hype agenda.

Is 5lbs a big ask or not because it seems to be a massive issue when it comes to GGG taking a chance but absolutely irrelevant when GGGs getting what he wants.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 14, 2016, 01:25:54 PM
Obviously it depends on the 5lbs in question.  Generally it's much easier to be effective in a weight class above your natural one hence the dearth of fighters moving down to win a world title in a lower weight division. 

I've never said it'll be an easy move for Brook.  But if he wants to go and win the middleweight title I respect him for doing it at the division limit.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on July 14, 2016, 01:26:15 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/IBvfmaR.png)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 14, 2016, 01:34:05 PM
I see there are already around 700 tickets for this fight on StubHub - tickets aren't even meant to be on general sale until tomorrow.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 01:38:54 PM
Obviously it depends on the 5lbs in question.  Generally it's much easier to be effective in a weight class above your natural one hence the dearth of fighters moving down to win a world title in a lower weight division. 

I've never said it'll be an easy move for Brook.  But if he wants to go and win the middleweight title I respect him for doing it at the division limit.

Brooks not the man in question...I've seen his odds at 5/1 at some places. I'm questioning why this so called great fighter in his 18th world title defence is fighting guys that are 5/1 to beat him? When he could have a much bigger fight if he were the one moving weights.

To me the answers obvious.....Golovkin doesn't fancy the job.

Regardless the fight is set and we can continue this discussion when Golovkin announces his next opponent who will likely be another slap to the face of boxing fans around the world.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 01:39:53 PM
I see there are already around 700 tickets for this fight on StubHub - tickets aren't even meant to be on general sale until tomorrow.

Lots of complaints by fight pass subscribers who got squat. Fight pass seems to be the place where you can only buy priority tickets to fights that will not sell out.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 14, 2016, 01:46:18 PM
Lots of complaints by fight pass subscribers who got squat. Fight pass seems to be the place where you can only buy priority tickets to fights that will not sell out.

I don't even know why it exists anymore.  I got it when it first came out and they were showing small hall cards on it.  I never renewed it as they stopped showing any boxing.  It seems it's been worthless for tickets for Frampton v Quigg and then this where having a phone contract with o2 gave people a better chance of getting something.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 01:58:59 PM
I don't even know why it exists anymore.  I got it when it first came out and they were showing small hall cards on it.  I never renewed it as they stopped showing any boxing.  It seems it's been worthless for tickets for Frampton v Quigg and then this where having a phone contract with o2 gave people a better chance of getting something.

Surprised they haven't been done for false advertising...they never touched the promises of which people signed up for.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on July 14, 2016, 03:48:33 PM
I see there are already around 700 tickets for this fight on StubHub - tickets aren't even meant to be on general sale until tomorrow.

That's pretty poor really.

StubHub kept emailing this site to advertise banners a few months ago as some sort of affiliate scheme and i told them to sod off.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 14, 2016, 03:57:14 PM
I see there are already around 700 tickets for this fight on StubHub - tickets aren't even meant to be on general sale until tomorrow.

That will be the £40 face value ones.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 14, 2016, 04:03:20 PM
Didn't hagler and hopkins fight welterweights without ever moving down a weight ? I'm sure there must be other legendary boxers.  Not everyone is interested in the mythical p4p title. It certainly didn't hold back the heavyweights.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 05:12:47 PM
Didn't hagler and hopkins fight welterweights without ever moving down a weight ? I'm sure there must be other legendary boxers.  Not everyone is interested in the mythical p4p title. It certainly didn't hold back the heavyweights.

I just had look at the Alvarez v Khan topic...2 pages in made me lol. Laney with the facts although he's changed his mind since. Aaron with nail on head and tbf the guys not overly impressed with GGG v Brook.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 14, 2016, 05:44:16 PM
I just had look at the Alvarez v Khan topic...2 pages in made me lol. Laney with the facts although he's changed his mind since. Aaron with nail on head and tbf the guys not overly impressed with GGG v Brook.

Oh yea. I see what you mean.

I like the idea of the brook v ggg fight, because i think ggg can be beaten.  I don't see much in what he does. I actually see more talent in brook and I'm hoping the underdog will steal the glory before someone else gets there first.  Ward will not beat ggg by knocking him out.  He will just outclass him.  Thats what i hope brook does.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 06:18:11 PM
Oh yea. I see what you mean.

I like the idea of the brook v ggg fight, because i think ggg can be beaten.  I don't see much in what he does. I actually see more talent in brook and I'm hoping the underdog will steal the glory before someone else gets there first.  Ward will not beat ggg by knocking him out.  He will just outclass him.  Thats what i hope brook does.

I can give Brook a chance based on his career so far....he played with Porter who can be a very dangerous guy. The reason GGG is such a big favourite is purely down to weight.... Brook is one of the best Welter weights on planet and although not a middleweight it's fair to say he'd beat everyone on Golovkins cv.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Gaz on July 14, 2016, 07:59:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4ss49WVcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4ss49WVcA)

Just seen this think this is the first head to head they have done? What do people read into the size difference based on that (horrific quality) clip?

As good as Brook is I can't see him making a dent in GGG personally.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on July 14, 2016, 08:06:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4ss49WVcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4ss49WVcA)

Just seen this think this is the first head to head they have done? What do people read into the size difference based on that (horrific quality) clip?

As good as Brook is I can't see him making a dent in GGG personally.

GGG has forearms like Popeye. You can see he's got that natural tendon strength.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 14, 2016, 08:16:25 PM
Same as Khan v Canelo....similar heights but ones a fair bit broader. Difference with this fight is we don't know much about Kell Brooks chin but with Khan we knew the second Canelo landed it was game over.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 14, 2016, 09:00:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4ss49WVcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4ss49WVcA)

Just seen this think this is the first head to head they have done? What do people read into the size difference based on that (horrific quality) clip?

As good as Brook is I can't see him making a dent in GGG personally.

All I can say is I didn't realise GGG lied about his height as much as Brook does. Brook claims 5 10" which is what I am. Having been next to him I'd be surprised if he's more than 5 7" so GGG can't be much more.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on July 14, 2016, 09:15:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4ss49WVcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4ss49WVcA)

Just seen this think this is the first head to head they have done? What do people read into the size difference based on that (horrific quality) clip?

As good as Brook is I can't see him making a dent in GGG personally.

Seeing this makes it feel like a reality. The angle of the camera made GGG look alot taller. Seeing it from a better angle, theyre virtually the same height.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O86fKpKgneY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O86fKpKgneY)




Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: ChicagoFightFan on July 15, 2016, 06:07:01 AM
Wow .. Just .. Wow. Good on Kel for the money grab, but ... Come on..


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 15, 2016, 06:29:33 AM
GGG looked a lot bigger than brook from every angle. Can brook pull off something not even mayweather would attempt.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: mooreman on July 15, 2016, 11:18:06 AM
Brook hasn't a hope here... This is a very strange decision.

Khan knew he was quicker and could outbox Canelo - until the inevitable.

I'm not sure you can say the same for Brook. GGG can box, his KO's come from his tidy boxing and ability to cut off the ring.

I can't see it going past 4. Unless GGG isn't in a rush.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on July 15, 2016, 11:30:33 AM
Brook hasn't a hope here... This is a very strange decision.

Khan knew he was quicker and could outbox Canelo - until the inevitable.

I'm not sure you can say the same for Brook. GGG can box, his KO's come from his tidy boxing and ability to cut off the ring.

I can't see it going past 4. Unless GGG isn't in a rush.

I think you sum up 99% of what everyone else is thinking mate.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jaff_no1 on July 15, 2016, 12:30:56 PM
For the first time since Froch v Groves 1 I have managed to get tickets to a big matchroom show. I fully expect GGG to win before half way but still really looking forward to this


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 15, 2016, 12:39:00 PM
For the first time since Froch v Groves 1 I have managed to get tickets to a big matchroom show. I fully expect GGG to win before half way but still really looking forward to this

Well done.  I tried again today.  I was in the waiting room for an hour between 11.45 and 12.45pm. Only ticket i was offered was 1 single at £550. Face value.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 15, 2016, 12:59:57 PM
I think you sum up 99% of what everyone else is thinking mate.

Not sure about that...already several trying to justify this fight so a blow out inside 4 will hardly be their predictions.

All comes down to Kells durability....he's been pretty solid at Welterweight but can he handle the power at middleweight..or in GGGs case more likely the power of a super middleweight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 15, 2016, 01:03:17 PM
I was lucky as I managed to get 2 x £200 yesterday and the same again today. At least all four of us got sorted albeit we are at different ends of the arena. Got the pair today after AXS had already said it was sold out on Twitter.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 15, 2016, 01:25:41 PM
I was lucky as I managed to get 2 x £200 yesterday and the same again today. At least all four of us got sorted albeit we are at different ends of the arena. Got the pair today after AXS had already said it was sold out on Twitter.

What kind of area do you get for £200?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Keiran on July 15, 2016, 01:28:39 PM
I managed to get £150 tickets in the O2 priority sale in block 106 which is a pretty decent view.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 15, 2016, 01:35:00 PM
What kind of area do you get for £200?

Lower tier to the side of the most central block. Not cheap but will at least be a decent view. £300 plus fees for the most central lower tier.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 15, 2016, 01:37:54 PM
Lower tier to the side of the most central block. Not cheap but will at least be a decent view. £300 plus fees for the most central lower tier.

I think you've done well man..better to be lower tier than on the floor.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jaff_no1 on July 15, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
I got 3 x £80 tickets in the upper tier. I was going up to £150 for this but they were the best available and thought I would get what I could instead of releasing and hoping for better after the disappointment of Frampton v Quigg and some AJ fights.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 15, 2016, 02:15:26 PM
I got 3 x £80 tickets in the upper tier. I was going up to £150 for this but they were the best available and thought I would get what I could instead of releasing and hoping for better after the disappointment of Frampton v Quigg and some AJ fights.

Green with envy.  That's what i wanted. So it was actually possible. Was that through axs ?  Well done.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 15, 2016, 02:39:35 PM
Just glad we have the Crolla fight coming up...a great fighter that the casuals haven't yet hijacked.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: MFC_SE15 on July 15, 2016, 02:45:54 PM
I got 3 x £80 tickets in the upper tier. I was going up to £150 for this but they were the best available and thought I would get what I could instead of releasing and hoping for better after the disappointment of Frampton v Quigg and some AJ fights.

Same for me mate, although I was only going up to £100. Logged in the priority clicked £100 couldn't get 4, so just went straight to 80 and got them. Block 413. I've been up in the 400's for the Groves fight but think I was more central for that one. I haven't managed to get tickets for any of the big matchroom shows so was pretty surprised I got lucky this time but I guess thats thanks to a mate giving me access to their o2 priority thing.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jaff_no1 on July 15, 2016, 02:49:09 PM
Green with envy.  That's what i wanted. So it was actually possible. Was that through axs ?  Well done.
Yes I logged in the waiting room around 11.30 and it just kept refreshing in the que until just gone 12. I feel your pain as I have had this a lot with matchroom recently. As soon as I got the opportunity to get any tickets I just took them


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Bonters on July 15, 2016, 03:32:09 PM
Not read this whole thread as it's so long.  However, I do know a reliable guy who has two tickets he would sell for the right price if anyone's interested.  They are face value £80 plus fees, so £88 apiece.  He would like around £150 each for them but MAY be open to offers.  It's defo not me, I wouldn't do that stuff and have no need to.  However, I can vouch for him as genuine and can help broker a deal if anyone's interested?   ;)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 15, 2016, 03:47:42 PM
Not read this whole thread as it's so long.  However, I do know a reliable guy who has two tickets he would sell for the right price if anyone's interested.  They are face value £80 plus fees, so £88 apiece.  He would like around £150 each for them but MAY be open to offers.  It's defo not me, I wouldn't do that stuff and have no need to.  However, I can vouch for him as genuine and can help broker a deal if anyone's interested?   ;)

Is it Eddie hearn?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 15, 2016, 07:07:38 PM
Is it Eddie hearn?


 ;D

Clearly not the sort of top bloke that would sort someone out face value.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on July 15, 2016, 07:09:15 PM
I think you've done well man..better to be lower tier than on the floor.

Yeah, I was as happy as I could be. There were £200 and £300 floor tickets where you'd be struggling for much of a view.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 15, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
Yeah, I was as happy as I could be. There were £200 and £300 floor tickets where you'd be struggling for much of a view.

Considering the rush for tickets etc. Lower tier seating was define tell the best option...I'd expect a couple decent fights on undercard too...should be good event. Sounds like Eubank v Murray so that will probably be same card.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: DANIELK104 on July 15, 2016, 08:20:32 PM
Not read this whole thread as it's so long.  However, I do know a reliable guy who has two tickets he would sell for the right price if anyone's interested.  They are face value £80 plus fees, so £88 apiece.  He would like around £150 each for them but MAY be open to offers.  It's defo not me, I wouldn't do that stuff and have no need to.  However, I can vouch for him as genuine and can help broker a deal if anyone's interested?   ;)

If this is a genuine post Bonters I will buy them?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: wbamitch on July 16, 2016, 12:22:37 PM
I really like the fight, of course it's more understandable as a British boxing fan and Kell Brook finally getting a big fight. I believe i may be in the minority but I prefer this to the GGG/Eubank fight. Yes Eubank is 160 but his opposition heading into this with a guy who seems to be a mile above the rest in the division doesn't really boast much to give him any hope at all. Eubank lost and was getting comfortably outclassed for half the fight against what is perceived the weaker champion and it seems very clearly avoided a fight with GGG himself. I do think Eubank's style is very exciting and this would have been 'a funner' fight to watch but the signs were pointing to a more one sided one for me. After initial criticism it seems the Eubank fight was going to be accepted with him purely being an exciting 160 fighter rather than somebody who had proved something.

I can certainly see why criticism of Golovkin is coming but it really seems no one at the weight wants to test themselves against him and i'm not going to consider that crap of Canelo to drag him down to 155, everybody knows. Huge credit goes to Brook just like Khan in the Canelo situation, it was perceived by literally every one in that fight looking at the history of Khan's vulnerabilities and inevitable lapses in fights which gets him in trouble or stopped at the lower weights. You don't really have that to state about Brook in this fight, he does not bring the clear speed advantage of Khan but brings a style of boxing and precision that is not yet to be seen on the Golovkin record, for me this is more looking at we don't know how good each guy actually is.

Brook brings the one big victory into this fight and again the similarity that the best in the division don't seem to want to get in the ring with him, there is a debate whether he is the best in the division with a bit more depth in talent down there. I think the general perception with Brook is very much that he seems right on the verge of the more natural move up to 154 so for me it very much seems like a 1 division move to take on someone who doesn't strike as a huge middleweight, (pleased to hear the 10lb rule has been placed on this one) definitely Golovkin has comforts and advantages in this fight due to his style as well but as I mentioned earlier I do feel we would have seen a more one sided beating and I believe a less focused Golovkin required in a Eubank fight.   

I thought this is what Boxing is all about the best fighting the best and taking risks with fighters/move up in weight, especially with these two who clearly can't get anybody else in the ring so I'm looking forward to this a lot. There is a whole weight debate or catchweight debate that is there to be discussed and it does interest me how others see the danger levels of moving up in divisions after seeing Malignaggi's comments on the fight the other day whose opinions I highly respect.

As for the fight Golovkin is certainly favorite but I do look forward to what i think will be a genuine test for him and would love for Brook to get this huge victory. I think Brook will have some success and cause problems but all signs are pointing towards another Golovkin stoppage in the middle rounds I would say.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on July 16, 2016, 12:58:56 PM
GGG is also indirectly sending a message to all the other WW belt holders... who use excuses to avoid coming to the UK to fight.  I think garcia said that he doesn't want to pay the additional tax. Come on.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on July 16, 2016, 03:28:30 PM
GGG is also indirectly sending a message to all the other WW belt holders... who use excuses to avoid coming to the UK to fight.  I think garcia said that he doesn't want to pay the additional tax. Come on.

Slight dig at Ward too.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Bonters on July 16, 2016, 07:45:21 PM
If this is a genuine post Bonters I will buy them?

Absolutely genuine mate, yeah


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: DANIELK104 on July 18, 2016, 10:16:54 AM
Absolutely genuine mate, yeah

PM  ;)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on August 02, 2016, 10:15:38 AM
I see all of a sudden Khan wants to fight Brook now he's getting plenty of attention for the GGG fight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on August 02, 2016, 10:58:42 AM
I see all of a sudden Khan wants to fight Brook now he's getting plenty of attention for the GGG fight.


Just see on the Sun app he's had an operation on his hand. "Says" he's been fighting with a broken hand for 13 years.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on August 02, 2016, 11:08:22 AM

Just see on the Sun app he's had an operation on his hand. "Says" he's been fighting with a broken hand for 13 years.

Well, that's explained the losses to Prescott, Garcia and Alvarez for me!


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on August 02, 2016, 12:11:15 PM
Well, that's explained the losses to Prescott, Garcia and Alvarez for me!

And here I was thinking, those losses were because the "Team" made mistakes.  ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on August 02, 2016, 01:27:47 PM
And here I was thinking, those losses were because the "Team" made mistakes.  ;D


Couldve saved a fortune on drawing boards


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 02, 2016, 03:12:53 PM

Couldve saved a fortune on drawing boards

Maybe it was his drawing hand.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: willlywalllly on August 02, 2016, 09:04:24 PM
hold your nerve tickets they will be available fight week at face value

hearns a C**t with the stub hub shit


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Cobra on August 03, 2016, 07:44:36 AM
I have a few £300 quid tickets for the fight ( off Kell )  face value . Not here to make any profit , never have .  I'll tell you one thing tho a lot of the fighters or there families have wanted a ' drink ' to get the tickets sorted ( which is fair enough ) as Eddie has been very tight with there allocation. As he wanted them to go elsewhere ...... ;)  so if anyone is interested let me know . ( first come and all of that ) 👍


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on August 10, 2016, 04:47:43 PM
GGG at 165 lbs and Brook at 176 lbs on the 30 day weight checks. Surprised Kell is that heavy.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 10, 2016, 05:28:25 PM
Does this mean GGG will pull out because Brook has a pre fight weight advantage?

Or does he only use that excuse when he's not fighting welterweights?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on August 10, 2016, 06:06:27 PM
Really surprised by the pre fight weighins


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: liamo on August 10, 2016, 06:44:52 PM
Brook at 176??? He's gonna need to be on the bike in the sauna the eve of weigh in at this! at this rate!


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: AO88 on August 10, 2016, 09:11:40 PM
I'd liked to have gone to this but I'm bordering on a full on matchroom boycott now days. Not to mention I hate getting ripped off to go London when it's shit.

If Frampton goes back to them am F***ed.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jimjack on August 10, 2016, 09:13:35 PM
I'd liked to have gone to this but I'm bordering on a full on matchroom boycott now days. Not to mention I hate getting ripped off to go London when it's shit.

If Frampton goes back to them am F***ed.

Are you a Frampton fan?
You've kept that very quiet.
 ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: AO88 on August 10, 2016, 09:50:59 PM
Are you a Frampton fan?
You've kept that very quiet.
 ;D

With a dislike of matchroom I'm trying to become kid Galahad fan also to broaden my area of interest.  ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jimjack on August 10, 2016, 10:18:30 PM
With a dislike of matchroom I'm trying to become kid Galahad fan also to broaden my area of interest.  ;D

Good plan!


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on August 11, 2016, 06:53:52 AM
I like the fact Kell is quite heavy - but I think this is too heavy.

The fight is just a few weeks away now. If he loses, which many think he will do (me included) then he is going to struggle to get down to 147lb ever again.

It's a pity as Thurman, Pacman etc have all basically ran out of opponents. There's only Garcia left for them. Kell would have been one of the most attractive ones if Mayweather returned, given the UK support he could muster.. Then finally Khan is making noise about finally fighting him.

Odd move by Brook.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on August 11, 2016, 07:36:42 AM
It would be interesting to know what his weight was 30 days before his last fight. Maybe this is quite normal for him. 176lb seems a lot... it didn't look like that when he stood side by side with GGG.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: lurkyshaka on August 11, 2016, 07:55:50 AM
I like the fact Kell is quite heavy - but I think this is too heavy.

The fight is just a few weeks away now. If he loses, which many think he will do (me included) then he is going to struggle to get down to 147lb ever again.

It's a pity as Thurman, Pacman etc have all basically ran out of opponents. There's only Garcia left for them. Kell would have been one of the most attractive ones if Mayweather returned, given the UK support he could muster.. Then finally Khan is making noise about finally fighting him.

Odd move by Brook.

Yeah I was expecting more like 170, 176 does seem high.

Having said that he clearly looks in shape and can see muscular definition. He's not bloated and carrying baggage. I'm thinking they wanted to keep him heavy during camp so he can train with full energy, we know he's under the guidance of the University experts....I just hope they've got their sums right.

Win, lose or draw we won't see him at 147 again. But to be honest I don't think that was ever the plan for him anyway. His days as a welterweight are over regardless.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 11, 2016, 09:03:50 AM
Footage of Kell Brook after this weigh in

https://youtu.be/S376iimvXIQ


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on August 11, 2016, 10:26:03 AM
Hearn tweeted believe it or not that's only a couple of pounds heavier than he normally is at the 30 days weigh in. Which seems to be a load of rubbish as you can only be 10% over the fighting weight. So 147 would be 161.7.

I think Brook really believes he's going to win, which to be fair is a good thing. Even if he doesn't beat Golovkin that's not to say he couldn't beat any of the other middleweights holding world titles.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on August 11, 2016, 10:44:10 AM
This was a WBC weight check which Brook won't have usually had to do. The IBF do the 10% second weigh in on the day of the fight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Laney on August 11, 2016, 11:15:33 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if he bollocked a load of water in him to make him artificially heavier to help ease some of the stick they have been getting


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 11, 2016, 11:56:11 AM
Seen all the casual GGG fans using this to convince themselves this is now a fair fight....shame these are the same people who criticised Canelo for fighting Khan when those two were less then 3lbs apart on the 30 day mark.

Can forgive GGG fans though as this is likely the first time most of them have ever herd of a 30 day weigh in. Conveniently it's only relevant when it suits them.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on August 11, 2016, 02:36:36 PM
This was a WBC weight check which Brook won't have usually had to do. The IBF do the 10% second weigh in on the day of the fight.

I see, but still can't see Brook being anywhere near 170lb 30 days before he has to weigh in at 147.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: liamo on August 11, 2016, 04:34:45 PM
I see, but still can't see Brook being anywhere near 170lb 30 days before he has to weigh in at 147.

I agree. I'm no nutrition expert but surely there's no way of healthily dropping around 2 stone in 30 days and still feel fit and fight ready


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Laney on August 11, 2016, 05:47:52 PM
I agree. I'm no nutrition expert but surely there's no way of healthily dropping around 2 stone in 30 days and still feel fit and fight ready

If he is overly hydrated now and we're then to dehydrate for the weigh in, that's a stone. That then just leaves 2 pound of actual weight to lose.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on August 11, 2016, 08:21:19 PM
Can't weight for this fight. GGG has never been in with a guy with the skillset Brook has. Kell kills himself to make Welter, in reality, both guys are similar in size, Brook will probably be heavier on fight night and at his physical peak. He's got a great chance.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 11, 2016, 08:35:46 PM
Has Kell Brook ever struggled to make Welterweight? Last I checked he's always been on weight on time and turned up to all but one fight to win pretty clearly. Doesn't sound like a guy that kills himself to make weight.

Now he may be transitioning to where he's no longer capable of that weight but let's not make stuff up just to try and give GGG a break....he's had enough of them already.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on August 12, 2016, 06:19:25 AM
Has Kell Brook ever struggled to make Welterweight? Last I checked he's always been on weight on time and turned up to all but one fight to win pretty clearly. Doesn't sound like a guy that kills himself to make weight.

Now he may be transitioning to where he's no longer capable of that weight but let's not make stuff up just to try and give GGG a break....he's had enough of them already.

I think he failed to make weight for one of the Carson Jones fights.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jaff_no1 on August 12, 2016, 08:39:04 AM
Hasn't he had quite a few fights at light middle previously as well. I'm sure Hearn said, when he was on about the khan fight, if it didn't happen this summer it wouldn't happen as Brook would be moving up


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 12, 2016, 02:17:42 PM
I think he failed to make weight for one of the Carson Jones fights.

Was definately an issue with the first Jones fight...not sure if he failed to make weight but there was something wrong.

People saying he kills himself to make weight or struggles to are just speculating.

The fact is he makes weight and he performs well...hardly call that struggling.

This fight to me is no different to Canelo v Khan....one has zero experience at the weight and although Kell will be able to show his skill set and likely trouble Golovkin I seriously doubt he will cope with the extra power and endurance he will meet at middleweight and ultimately he will get hurt.

People will look for anything to try justify this fight because Golovkins a nice guy(sad but true). However this fight is exactly the same as Khan v Canelo....if not worse.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on August 12, 2016, 06:07:29 PM
I think he failed to make weight for one of the Carson Jones fights.

He's pulled out of a few fights. The Diego Chavez pullout was particulary dubious with rumours going around at the time that it was because of his weight and not being able to boil down to WW. That is totally feasable when you consider how much weight he has to cut. He's now fighting at Middle and he's a stone heavier than the guy considered more natural at the weight! Brook must be absolutley killing himself to make Welter.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 12, 2016, 07:02:01 PM
He's pulled out of a few fights. The Diego Chavez pullout was particulary dubious with rumours going around at the time that it was because of his weight and not being able to boil down to WW. That is totally feasable when you consider how much weight he has to cut. He's now fighting at Middle and he's a stone heavier than the guy considered more natural at the weight! Brook must be absolutley killing himself to make Welter.



Ahh Brook must now be a big favourite now then...a stone heavier with 30 days to go....I bet the bookies have slashed the odds.  ;D

Career welterweight v career middleweight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: AO88 on August 12, 2016, 10:20:02 PM
Ahh Brook must now be a big favourite now then...a stone heavier with 30 days to go....I bet the bookies have slashed the odds.  ;D

Career welterweight v career middleweight.

Tim your bordering on diagnosable with your golovkin obsession.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: liamo on August 12, 2016, 10:27:08 PM
If he is overly hydrated now and we're then to dehydrate for the weigh in, that's a stone. That then just leaves 2 pound of actual weight to lose.

Luckily in my boxing days I was always pretty much on weight. Are u telling me that it's normal to dehydrate your body of 14 lbs of water????


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 12, 2016, 10:52:16 PM
Tim your bordering on diagnosable with your golovkin obsession.

Wheeeyyyy, fan boi on board.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: GOD on August 13, 2016, 07:50:49 PM
Was definately an issue with the first Jones fight...not sure if he failed to make weight but there was something wrong.

People saying he kills himself to make weight or struggles to are just speculating.

The fact is he makes weight and he performs well...hardly call that struggling.

This fight to me is no different to Canelo v Khan....one has zero experience at the weight and although Kell will be able to show his skill set and likely trouble Golovkin I seriously doubt he will cope with the extra power and endurance he will meet at middleweight and ultimately he will get hurt.

People will look for anything to try justify this fight because Golovkins a nice guy(sad but true). However this fight is exactly the same as Khan v Canelo....if not worse.

100% spot on analysis


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tito on August 15, 2016, 11:43:14 AM
Was definately an issue with the first Jones fight...not sure if he failed to make weight but there was something wrong.

People saying he kills himself to make weight or struggles to are just speculating.

The fact is he makes weight and he performs well...hardly call that struggling.

This fight to me is no different to Canelo v Khan....one has zero experience at the weight and although Kell will be able to show his skill set and likely trouble Golovkin I seriously doubt he will cope with the extra power and endurance he will meet at middleweight and ultimately he will get hurt.

People will look for anything to try justify this fight because Golovkins a nice guy(sad but true). However this fight is exactly the same as Khan v Canelo....if not worse.

Khan as fought at 154 and he is a big WW of course going up to MW is a unknown but I think he will be in better shape than what Khan was even if he as to go up to 160. I just don't think he stands any chance his power ain't that concussive and GGG as barely even taken a shot in his career that as knocked him off balance. Brook will get beat and could suffer a embarrassing loss its ok having his IBF belt but its going to cripple him looking for big name fights after this.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on August 15, 2016, 12:22:01 PM
Khan as fought at 154 and he is a big WW of course going up to MW is a unknown but I think he will be in better shape than what Khan was even if he as to go up to 160. I just don't think he stands any chance his power ain't that concussive and GGG as barely even taken a shot in his career that as knocked him off balance. Brook will get beat and could suffer a embarrassing loss its ok having his IBF belt but its going to cripple him looking for big name fights after this.



I don't think anybody expects brook to hurt or stop GGG. If he wins it will be because he out-boxed out-pointed him. Whilst GGG was unable to land anything of note. If brook loses which everybody expects, i doubt it will make any difference to him getting another big name fight due to the fact everyone bar andre ward is expected to lose against GGG.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 15, 2016, 02:05:57 PM
Khan as fought at 154 and he is a big WW of course going up to MW is a unknown but I think he will be in better shape than what Khan was even if he as to go up to 160. I just don't think he stands any chance his power ain't that concussive and GGG as barely even taken a shot in his career that as knocked him off balance. Brook will get beat and could suffer a embarrassing loss its ok having his IBF belt but its going to cripple him looking for big name fights after this.



There's some complete bull shit in this video but watch the Abel Sanchez interview that's just over a minute in. He talks about how Golovkin deals with 175lb fighters and even cruiser weight champions and yet people are trying to justify him fighting a big welterweight. It wasn't that long ago that they were apparently trying to negotiate a 168lb fight with Ward. This fight doesn't add up and even Golovkins own team knows it.

https://youtu.be/R_6RuDUZrVg


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on August 15, 2016, 04:33:40 PM
Khan as fought at 154 and he is a big WW of course going up to MW is a unknown but I think he will be in better shape than what Khan was even if he as to go up to 160. I just don't think he stands any chance his power ain't that concussive and GGG as barely even taken a shot in his career that as knocked him off balance. Brook will get beat and could suffer a embarrassing loss its ok having his IBF belt but its going to cripple him looking for big name fights after this.

Khan may have been a big welterweight but he had the chin of a strawweight. Kell Brook isn't so brittle. I think he'll take a few smacks but he can't afford to take too many. His size has suprised GGG, I think his speed will too, the only chances of Kell hurting him are the shots GGG doesn't see coming. Aka pacman at the higher weight classes.With GGG having that come forward style he is vunerable to getting caught with shots that the other fighters weren't capable of landing because they had neither the speed or the skill. I give Kell Brook a glimmer of hope. Another factor is that Brook doesn't have to kill himself to make the weight, he'll be the strongest he's been. 

This could be a very predictable fight like people are saying or speed kills and Kell can use it affectively against a guy who hits hard but is roughly the same size. I think Kell will suprise alot of people on the night but ultimately gets taken out late but it wouldn't surprise me if Kell can do something special and shock the world.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on August 16, 2016, 11:08:30 AM
Khan may have been a big welterweight but he had the chin of a strawweight. Kell Brook isn't so brittle. I think he'll take a few smacks but he can't afford to take too many. His size has suprised GGG, I think his speed will too, the only chances of Kell hurting him are the shots GGG doesn't see coming. Aka pacman at the higher weight classes.With GGG having that come forward style he is vunerable to getting caught with shots that the other fighters weren't capable of landing because they had neither the speed or the skill. I give Kell Brook a glimmer of hope. Another factor is that Brook doesn't have to kill himself to make the weight, he'll be the strongest he's been. 

This could be a very predictable fight like people are saying or speed kills and Kell can use it affectively against a guy who hits hard but is roughly the same size. I think Kell will suprise alot of people on the night but ultimately gets taken out late but it wouldn't surprise me if Kell can do something special and shock the world.

I'm not disagagreeing that Kell has a little bit of speed but Pac at a higher weight? Really? Pac was fast and vicious, Kell isnt anywhere near that level  of speed. Pac through his punches from all sort of angles, i dont see kell doing that.

Pac fought high class top of their game fighters for years on end, Kells been fighing JO JO and Funtime.

I'm a fan, i like Brook, i'll be rooting for him, I am also of the same train of though re GGG as Tim (maybe not quite to his stalker level mind  ;) but im not having kell in the same bracket or style as Manny Pac.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 16, 2016, 12:26:17 PM
I'm not disagagreeing that Kell has a little bit of speed but Pac at a higher weight? Really? Pac was fast and vicious, Kell isnt anywhere near that level  of speed. Pac through his punches from all sort of angles, i dont see kell doing that.

Pac fought high class top of their game fighters for years on end, Kells been fighing JO JO and Funtime.

I'm a fan, i like Brook, i'll be rooting for him, I am also of the same train of though re GGG as Tim (maybe not quite to his stalker level mind  ;) but im not having kell in the same bracket or style as Manny Pac.

 :D :o haha my stalker level is determined by others fan boy level.

Most the time I just state my opinion that the guy for all his talk of weight moves has zero intention to do so and would rather knock over tin cans at middleweight.

Some agree some disagree and that's that but now and again you get the fan boys that will adjust to whatever logic suits GGG...for example I've never seen anyone refer to Kell Brook as a big welterweight but now he's moving up to fight GGG apparently he always has been.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on August 16, 2016, 12:50:45 PM
Khan may have been a big welterweight but he had the chin of a strawweight. Kell Brook isn't so brittle. I think he'll take a few smacks but he can't afford to take too many. His size has suprised GGG, I think his speed will too, the only chances of Kell hurting him are the shots GGG doesn't see coming. Aka pacman at the higher weight classes.With GGG having that come forward style he is vunerable to getting caught with shots that the other fighters weren't capable of landing because they had neither the speed or the skill. I give Kell Brook a glimmer of hope. Another factor is that Brook doesn't have to kill himself to make the weight, he'll be the strongest he's been. 

This could be a very predictable fight like people are saying or speed kills and Kell can use it affectively against a guy who hits hard but is roughly the same size. I think Kell will suprise alot of people on the night but ultimately gets taken out late but it wouldn't surprise me if Kell can do something special and shock the world.

Manny's hand speed was only a tiny part of what he did.

Manny's best attribute at his best was his foot speed and he bounced in and out, throwing wave after wave of shots from unorthodox angles. That absolutely is not Brook.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on August 26, 2016, 08:24:23 AM
Happy Friday - http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10551020/fight-fans-can-now-pick-the-ultimate-top-10-pound-for-pound-fighters (http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10551020/fight-fans-can-now-pick-the-ultimate-top-10-pound-for-pound-fighters)

I just hope the Sky build up rightfully informs us that Brook will be fighting for the P4P title.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jaff_no1 on August 26, 2016, 10:07:20 AM
Happy Friday - [url]http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10551020/fight-fans-can-now-pick-the-ultimate-top-10-pound-for-pound-fighters[/url] ([url]http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10551020/fight-fans-can-now-pick-the-ultimate-top-10-pound-for-pound-fighters[/url])

I just hope the Sky build up rightfully informs us that Brook will be fighting for the P4P title.


To be fair apart from Brook being that high I don't think that is too bad. I was surprised nobody picked Manny at all. I also thought they would have been "encouraged" to put AJ in there


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 26, 2016, 11:14:44 AM
P4P list are hard tbh. Adamant that winner of Ward v Kovakev should take that no.1 spot though.

These list imo should be based on the quality of opposition you have beat...not sure on what some of that list is based on.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on August 26, 2016, 01:17:09 PM
P4P list are hard tbh. Adamant that winner of Ward v Kovakev should take that no.1 spot though.

These list imo should be based on the quality of opposition you have beat...not sure on what some of that list is based on.

Hard to argue with the winner of Kovalev v Ward taking top spot.  No idea how people can have GGG at #1 and Gonzalez at #9 though.  And how the hell did Russell Jr even end up on the list!  Tim Bradley is still way more involved in the P4P discussion than Russell Jr is.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 26, 2016, 07:48:48 PM
Hard to argue with the winner of Kovalev v Ward taking top spot.  No idea how people can have GGG at #1 and Gonzalez at #9 though.  And how the hell did Russell Jr even end up on the list!  Tim Bradley is still way more involved in the P4P discussion than Russell Jr is.

I'd love to ask these people why they have certain fighters at certain position....I'd bet good money that half people who stuck the likes of ggg and Brook up there have no idea who their last 5 opponents were.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: dannffc on August 31, 2016, 01:31:14 PM
Always liked Kell. He has the best chance of all the opponents GGG has faced. I like the way him and his team are talking, particularly the latest Dingle interview on IFL TV.....I hope he can do it, really do.

War Brook!  8)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 31, 2016, 02:10:25 PM
Always liked Kell. He has the best chance of all the opponents GGG has faced. I like the way him and his team are talking, particularly the latest Dingle interview on IFL TV.....I hope he can do it, really do.

War Brook!  8)

Just hope it's competetive tbh. I'm not sure people realise just how big a mismatch this could potentially be.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: dannffc on August 31, 2016, 02:45:44 PM
Just hope it's competetive tbh. I'm not sure people realise just how big a mismatch this could potentially be.

I hear you Tim, but I've always rated Kell, and he can be awkward to hit, so if he can avoid some full on GGG blows and can carry the power and speed up, then who knows? It's either going to be a disaster or a display of brilliance from him. Either way, I don't see him being ragdolled the way Macklin was....


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on August 31, 2016, 05:13:25 PM
I hear you Tim, but I've always rated Kell, and he can be awkward to hit, so if he can avoid some full on GGG blows and can carry the power and speed up, then who knows? It's either going to be a disaster or a display of brilliance from him. Either way, I don't see him being ragdolled the way Macklin was....

And Macklin was probably P4P 2 or 3 at the time?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on August 31, 2016, 06:15:54 PM
I hear you Tim, but I've always rated Kell, and he can be awkward to hit, so if he can avoid some full on GGG blows and can carry the power and speed up, then who knows? It's either going to be a disaster or a display of brilliance from him. Either way, I don't see him being ragdolled the way Macklin was....

Kell is a very good boxer..at welterweight. I'd give him a decent chance at a catch weight but the jump to middle will be too much imo.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Forest on September 01, 2016, 09:53:58 AM
It'd be really frustrating to see Kell outbox GGG and then lose due to one decent shot. Agree that the jump in weight will make it a mismatch - have Brook as the better boxer but GGG to win handily due to the size disparity. As others have said - basically Kahn v Canelo II


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on September 01, 2016, 11:30:09 AM
I don't know where this Brook is a better boxer talk has come from.

Golovkin is about as schooled as they come. He's rarely had to box as a pro, but when he has taken a look at his opponent he's always been great.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Alvy on September 01, 2016, 12:19:07 PM
I don't know where this Brook is a better boxer talk has come from.

Golovkin is about as schooled as they come. He's rarely had to box as a pro, but when he has taken a look at his opponent he's always been great.

Totally agree. Let's not forget we're talking about a 2003 World Championship gold medalist / 2004 Olympic silver medalist.

He may not be a slick stylist but make no mistake, Golovkin can box


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 01, 2016, 12:24:44 PM
I don't know where this Brook is a better boxer talk has come from.

Golovkin is about as schooled as they come. He's rarely had to box as a pro, but when he has taken a look at his opponent he's always been great.

Golovkin always looked wide open to me and was caught flush several times by Geale and Murray but then he fought Lemeiux who was considered a dangerous puncher and Golovkin looked a lot more elusive.

Be interesting if he turns up thinking Brook has no power but I think he takes this one very seriously and takes the w with ease. Brooks entire game plan will go out the window the second he tastes Golovkins power(like Bute v Froch)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on September 01, 2016, 01:54:17 PM
Does he fight wide open to encourage the other guy to take chances and open up?

Lemieux was the fight I was thinking of where he took a look first few rounds. I know Lemieux is as crude as they come but he didn't get near him early.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 01, 2016, 02:27:40 PM
Does he fight wide open to encourage the other guy to take chances and open up?

Lemieux was the fight I was thinking of where he took a look first few rounds. I know Lemieux is as crude as they come but he didn't get near him early.

I think v the likes of Murray and Geale etc. GGG was there to not just win but also entertain...the likely hood is he left himself more open then he'd like because he knew these guys didn't have the power to trouble him.

I think he will be all business v Brook and may regret it if he leaves himself open. Saying that Brook will likely find a few openings but he's a welterweight so it doesn't matter.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 02, 2016, 10:45:35 AM
Just seen that BN have picked up the Cuadras v Gonzalez fight that's on next Saturday night.  Should be a good card as it has the Soto-Karass v Kamegai rematch on it as well.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 02, 2016, 11:44:55 AM
Have some faith tim. Brook can do this.

I thought diaz was going to wipe the floor with mcgregor in the second fight... but it was a good close fight.

I thought ruiz was going to knock RJJ out cold... but it never came.

Brook can outbox GGG... just like ward can outbox kovalev.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on September 02, 2016, 11:57:30 AM
Have some faith tim. Brook can do this.

I thought diaz was going to wipe the floor with mcgregor in the second fight... but it was a good close fight.

I thought ruiz was going to knock RJJ out cold... but it never came.

Brook can outbox GGG... just like ward can outbox kovalev.

Finally, someone with a bit of common sense and belief. The way people are talking you'd think Kell was getting in there with a giant.  Theyre a similar size, regardless of the weight class theyre fighting in, and with a similar level of skill. One has more power, one has more speed. It's gonna be very tough for Brook, he's gonna have to weather several storms, but he's capable of doing it. History tells you that, as you pointed out.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 02, 2016, 12:11:42 PM
Finally, someone with a bit of common sense and belief. The way people are talking you'd think Kell was getting in there with a giant.  Theyre a similar size, regardless of the weight class theyre fighting in, and with a similar level of skill. One has more power, one has more speed. It's gonna be very tough for Brook, he's gonna have to weather several storms, but he's capable of doing it. History tells you that, as you pointed out.

Common sense? Yet to be seen. Seen Brook at 4/1 though so that's pretty good odds...let me know how much you lose.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: GOD on September 02, 2016, 01:13:42 PM
Have some faith tim. Brook can do this.

I thought diaz was going to wipe the floor with mcgregor in the second fight... but it was a good close fight.

I thought ruiz was going to knock RJJ out cold... but it never came.

Brook can outbox GGG... just like ward can outbox kovalev.

Mate, I respect your views very highly, always have, and respect your faith in Kell here, but mate I just can't see Kell having much chance here my friend...we'll only know one way or another on the night, but I gave him a slim chance to start with because of the fact he's jumping two weight classes to fight a guy who deals with guys his own size pretty easily, although in terms of skills Brook is probably above the opponents GGG has been fighting, but I honestly think that GGG hasn't even really had to get out of third gear yet and has more to offer the better the opponent he will face...he knows he's been able to take certain risks against the likes of Monroe but look how compact and excellent he was against Lemieux, who he knew was a dangerous fighter, and I believe that was still only third gear...

I actually think that Brook has reduced his chances in the fight by bulking up so much...from that sparring footage with Beefy, his foot movement and hand speed, plus lateral movement looks to have been adversely affected. I know I shouldn't read too much into the footage but it has left me rather concerned about Kell's safety if I'm honest because i think the bulking up is only playing into GGG's hands...not only is it likely to slow him down, it's also the fact that his body is not going to be accustomed to carrying so much bulk around in an actual fight, which means that he may well fatigue quite early, and will end up as a sitting target for GGG...I honestly hope that GGG knocks him out clean within 3-4 rounds but I fear that Brook is gonna put in a brave but losing performance where he takes an absolute battering for 8-10 rounds before he gets stopped or his corner pull him out...I can see this scenario because GGG is more than likely to put the hurt on first with his variety of soft shots to find his range mixed in with hard shots that put the fear of God into his opponent, which just prolongs the agony a la Murray, Lemieux, Rosado, Stevens etc...hopefully he can just get Kell out of there with an early body shot or something...


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on September 02, 2016, 02:53:18 PM
Let me be clear.

I'm not saying Golovkin beats Brook because he's bigger or stronger. I mean he is, but that ain't the point.

I firmly believe he's the better boxer too.

And comparing this to Ruiz v Jones Jr ...... c'mon man.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 02, 2016, 04:37:39 PM
A good big'un beats a good little'un


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 02, 2016, 06:02:16 PM
Brook just shy of 168 at the 7 day weigh in. Just hope they haven't tried to bank on making him the bigger man on the night too much.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jimjack on September 02, 2016, 07:40:13 PM
Let me be clear.

I'm not saying Golovkin beats Brook because he's bigger or stronger. I mean he is, but that ain't the point.

I firmly believe he's the better boxer too.

And comparing this to Ruiz v Jones Jr ...... c'mon man.

Spot on.
Pound for pound Golovkin is better than brook in every department.
He makes things look easy and people mistake this for him being ponderous and slow. Ha actually calculated and efficient, his timing is brilliant, his footwork and ring craft will be the difference... Not size.
I can't see it going past 5 rds.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: GOD on September 02, 2016, 07:48:33 PM
Let me be clear.

I'm not saying Golovkin beats Brook because he's bigger or stronger. I mean he is, but that ain't the point.

I firmly believe he's the better boxer too.

And comparing this to Ruiz v Jones Jr ...... c'mon man.

I agree that GGG is the superior boxer...GGG does a lot of subtle things technically that don't get the appreciation they deserve. In addition to that, the weight will be a massive factor in the fight as well...all in all, it's not going to be good night for Kell...


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 02, 2016, 08:37:47 PM
Let me be clear.

I'm not saying Golovkin beats Brook because he's bigger or stronger. I mean he is, but that ain't the point.

I firmly believe he's the better boxer too.

And comparing this to Ruiz v Jones Jr ...... c'mon man.

I think you missed the point Socrates... RJJ wasn't suppose to beat Ruiz for the Heavyweight title. Jones became the first former Middleweight title holder to win a Heavyweight title in 106 years. He was the underdog.

The point is people in hindsight think "of course RJJ beats ruiz" this wasn't the case prior to the fight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 02, 2016, 09:08:36 PM
Mate, I respect your views very highly, always have, and respect your faith in Kell here, but mate I just can't see Kell having much chance here my friend...we'll only know one way or another on the night, but I gave him a slim chance to start with because of the fact he's jumping two weight classes to fight a guy who deals with guys his own size pretty easily, although in terms of skills Brook is probably above the opponents GGG has been fighting, but I honestly think that GGG hasn't even really had to get out of third gear yet and has more to offer the better the opponent he will face...he knows he's been able to take certain risks against the likes of Monroe but look how compact and excellent he was against Lemieux, who he knew was a dangerous fighter, and I believe that was still only third gear...

I actually think that Brook has reduced his chances in the fight by bulking up so much...from that sparring footage with Beefy, his foot movement and hand speed, plus lateral movement looks to have been adversely affected. I know I shouldn't read too much into the footage but it has left me rather concerned about Kell's safety if I'm honest because i think the bulking up is only playing into GGG's hands...not only is it likely to slow him down, it's also the fact that his body is not going to be accustomed to carrying so much bulk around in an actual fight, which means that he may well fatigue quite early, and will end up as a sitting target for GGG...I honestly hope that GGG knocks him out clean within 3-4 rounds but I fear that Brook is gonna put in a brave but losing performance where he takes an absolute battering for 8-10 rounds before he gets stopped or his corner pull him out...I can see this scenario because GGG is more than likely to put the hurt on first with his variety of soft shots to find his range mixed in with hard shots that put the fear of God into his opponent, which just prolongs the agony a la Murray, Lemieux, Rosado, Stevens etc...hopefully he can just get Kell out of there with an early body shot or something...

You could be right GOD. Maybe I am letting my heart rule my head. I love boxing because every big fight where there is a clear underdog is like the romance of the FA cup. There is always a chance of a major upset.

I haven't been impressed by any of GGG's opponents - they remind me of Mike Tyson's opponents when everyone in the world believed he was unstoppable. I don't know how good GGG is because his opponents did not provide much of a challenge skill wise. They all appeared to have zero defense.

Like Driscoll said "A good big'un beats a good little'un". However to add to that I believe a good boxer beats a big puncher. I haven't seen anything impressive boxing, skill, defensive wise from GGG - only offense. I understand what mayweather means when he says "GGG - not being disrespectful, but he's straight up and down, no special effects," Mayweather said in an interview. "That's easy work."

We can only wait and see - but I agree with you GOD : brook could gas like Conor Mcgregor did in his first fight with diaz. I would have preferred him to come in at 155lb.

 


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on September 02, 2016, 09:14:37 PM
I think you missed the point Socrates... RJJ wasn't suppose to beat Ruiz for the Heavyweight title. Jones became the first former Middleweight title holder to win a Heavyweight title in 106 years. He was the underdog.

The point is people in hindsight think "of course RJJ beats ruiz" this wasn't the case prior to the fight.

I dunno man.

I think they were.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 03, 2016, 07:57:43 AM
I dunno man.

I think they were.


The truth is.... if we all new with absolute 100% certainty that brook loses this fight.  We would be remortgaging our homes to supplement the bet. We don't though because there's always that chance someone with a good boxing IQ could simply befuddle GGG... he can't win if he can't land.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Cobra on September 03, 2016, 09:30:17 AM
Really want Kell to win this fight , BUT just can't see how he can  ( Kells thoughts are ggg ain't fought anybody yet ) so we / he Doesn't know how good ggg really is . ( I know people might say the same about Kell )  even tho Kell used to spar Carl and do ok , I think the 2 weight jump up is too much . Ggg will win by stoppage IMO  . Look at the bookie prices they are RARELY wrong .


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 03, 2016, 09:59:09 AM
There is a recent sparring video of Brook vs Smith doing the rounds on social media its hard to take much from a sparring video but Kell looks slow and far to easy to hit only my opinion of course others may see it different he certainly seems to have the power and physical strength to back Smith up.

The weigh in yesterday was interesting with Kell still being over the middleweight limit. I still can't see Kell winning the fight but I'm now really looking forward to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv1f2maZxbA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv1f2maZxbA)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jimjack on September 03, 2016, 12:32:13 PM
Really want Kell to win this fight , BUT just can't see how he can  ( Kells thoughts are ggg ain't fought anybody yet ) so we / he Doesn't know how good ggg really is . ( I know people might say the same about Kell )  even tho Kell used to spar Carl and do ok , I think the 2 weight jump up is too much . Ggg will win by stoppage IMO  . Look at the bookie prices they are RARELY wrong .

I agree mate.
GGG has had what looks a relatively easy ride so far, but much of that is because he has made it look easy. He's fought guys who are durable, guys who have fast hands, guys who are big hitters... All have gone the same way and golovkin has looked equally comfortable handling them all. I don't see Kell bringing anything different to what he's already faced, GGG certainly brings more than Kell has faced.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: mac-rebel021 on September 03, 2016, 08:16:28 PM
Lads quick question is there a way of paying to watch this online.
Fathers 60th birthday is being celebrated next weekend in a hotel  about an hours drive away ,  I checked with hotel and they are not showing it. I checked a few of the bars in the area and neither are they.  Dont think family  would be too happy for me to fly home and watch fight and return. So im in a bit of predicament as id hate to miss it.
Its a pity sky box office is not available on sky go as im sure there is potential in increasing the ppv buys.
so does anyone have a solution for me?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on September 03, 2016, 08:17:38 PM
Brook just shy of 168 at the 7 day weigh in. Just hope they haven't tried to bank on making him the bigger man on the night too much.

I don't know too much about cutting weight etc but surely Brook is leaving it a bit late to get down to the weight? Seems like a lot to take off? And even if he does has he done it the right way?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 03, 2016, 08:32:32 PM
I don't know too much about cutting weight etc but surely Brook is leaving it a bit late to get down to the weight? Seems like a lot to take off? And even if he does has he done it the right way?

No that's fine....it'll be mainly water weight, they'll dip him below 160 just for the weigh in then he'll rehydrate. He'll be in great shape for the fight, that's not a concern.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Cobra on September 03, 2016, 08:32:51 PM
I agree mate.
GGG has had what looks a relatively easy ride so far, but much of that is because he has made it look easy. He's fought guys who are durable, guys who have fast hands, guys who are big hitters... All have gone the same way and golovkin has looked equally comfortable handling them all. I don't see Kell bringing anything different to what he's already faced, GGG certainly brings more than Kell has faced.

Spot on mate


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: tweetstreet on September 03, 2016, 10:22:24 PM
Lads quick question is there a way of paying to watch this online.
Fathers 60th birthday is being celebrated next weekend in a hotel  about an hours drive away ,  I checked with hotel and they are not showing it. I checked a few of the bars in the area and neither are they.  Dont think family  would be too happy for me to fly home and watch fight and return. So im in a bit of predicament as id hate to miss it.
Its a pity sky box office is not available on sky go as im sure there is potential in increasing the ppv buys.
so does anyone have a solution for me?

Pmd you mate


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: tweetstreet on September 03, 2016, 10:26:27 PM
I don't know too much about cutting weight etc but surely Brook is leaving it a bit late to get down to the weight? Seems like a lot to take off? And even if he does has he done it the right way?

You can lose 1-2kg having a hot bath mate try it, did it for a fight myself. Pros are cutting massive amounts of water weight in the last week.

im not sure Brook is going to do the weight well though and that's not through 'cutting' more through being too heavy for the 12 rounds of body weight his body is used to carrying.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on September 04, 2016, 06:20:59 AM
Lads quick question is there a way of paying to watch this online.
Fathers 60th birthday is being celebrated next weekend in a hotel  about an hours drive away ,  I checked with hotel and they are not showing it. I checked a few of the bars in the area and neither are they.  Dont think family  would be too happy for me to fly home and watch fight and return. So im in a bit of predicament as id hate to miss it.
Its a pity sky box office is not available on sky go as im sure there is potential in increasing the ppv buys.
so does anyone have a solution for me?

Il send you a link fight night if you remind me


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: mac-rebel021 on September 04, 2016, 01:00:25 PM
Il send you a link fight night if you remind me


Nice one


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 04, 2016, 01:49:02 PM
You can lose 1-2kg having a hot bath mate try it, did it for a fight myself. Pros are cutting massive amounts of water weight in the last week.

im not sure Brook is going to do the weight well though and that's not through 'cutting' more through being too heavy for the 12 rounds of body weight his body is used to carrying.

Not sure I agree here bud he looks fantastic body wise at 160 and he's clearly been struggling making 147 I'd be surprised what ever happens if he goes back to 147. Your right about the weight during the fight but only time will tell with that it could be the opposite that cutting has effected his stamina more, however its a big ask.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on September 04, 2016, 06:46:33 PM
Anybody read Eddie Hearn's "this is a fight to become the No.1 pound for pound fighter in the world" bollocks in Boxing News this week?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 04, 2016, 07:55:35 PM
Read it yesterday. Pretty sure I predicted on this thread or another that this would be described as being for the P4P title in the build up at some point.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 04, 2016, 07:55:49 PM
Anybody read Eddie Hearn's "this is a fight to become the No.1 pound for pound fighter in the world" bollocks in Boxing News this week?

Probably going off the back of the sky poll that had GGG finished no.1 p4p.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on September 04, 2016, 08:41:18 PM
Read it yesterday. Pretty sure I predicted on this thread or another that this would be described as being for the P4P title in the build up at some point.

Yeah, I think you did.

It's horrendous.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 04, 2016, 09:23:11 PM
Yeah, I think you did.

It's horrendous.

The fight you are going to later in the year is the real p4p number one fight.

I'd just ignore Hearn he isnt appealing to the likes of clued up boxing people like you if he keeps getting his face on Sky Sports News for a few weeks banging this drum he knows it creates more sales to the not so clued up !

Onto the fight I hope Kell puts up a good fight I just can't help think GGG body shots could be his way of really damaging Kell I'd be very surprised if this goes the distance.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 04, 2016, 09:26:04 PM
I don't think the casuals really understand how the P4P thing works... including journalists. They seem to think you can achieve it by winning a single one-off fight like a lineal championship. This only rarely occurs when P4P no.1 fights P4P No.2.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 06, 2016, 06:44:58 PM
I can't find any decent odds on a GGG stoppage anywhere for grouped round betting. I see the draw though is 40/1, might be worth a fiver.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 07, 2016, 09:17:49 AM
One possible value bet on the card is Hall to beat Haskins on points at 11/2.  I like Haskins but at 32 I think Hall's work rate could cause him a few problems.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: dawsy on September 07, 2016, 10:19:38 AM
I had a dream last night that Brook wins by split decision...... Although the other week I had a dream that Alan Carr was chasing me butt naked up the street. So make of that as you will  :o


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 07, 2016, 10:48:01 AM
I had a dream last night that Brook wins by split decision...... Although the other week I had a dream that Alan Carr was chasing me butt naked up the street. So make of that as you will  :o

Either way you've had two dreams about homosexuals...interesting.  ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 07, 2016, 11:09:25 AM
Just seen the WBA say, apparently without irony, that they haven't sanctioned this because it is a 'business fight' made to make money.  This coming from a body that currently have a 'regular' and 'interim' champion in the middleweight division.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on September 07, 2016, 11:54:51 AM
Either way you've had two dreams about homosexuals...interesting.  ;D

The next dream will be him, Kell and Carr doing a naked man train.

 ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 07, 2016, 12:10:49 PM
The next dream will be him, Kell and Carr doing a naked man train.

 ;D

 ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: dawsy on September 07, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
The next dream will be him, Kell and Carr doing a naked man train.

 ;D

Choo-chooooo !!!!!  ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: liamo on September 07, 2016, 02:19:37 PM
See Johnny Nelson reckons Kell can KO GGG early! Him and Ricky should be on the stage together!


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 07, 2016, 02:43:10 PM
He must've been out for lunch with Glenn McCrory.

Not that it is entirely impossible but I don't think there is any footage of GGG being dropped amateur or pro.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 07, 2016, 11:21:47 PM
I just re watched the Brook v Senchenko fight. Round 4 - brook gets rocked to his boots. I can't recall seeing him react to a punch like that before. Although he went into overdrive after that shot and took Senchenko out.

Seeing the effects of that punch on brook... has left me with doubts for Saturday. I hope I'm wrong though.

https://youtu.be/7MvDc1pVCRA


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 07, 2016, 11:35:12 PM
I just re watched the Brook v Senchenko fight. Round 4 - brook gets rocked to his boots. I can't recall seeing him react to a punch life that before. Although he went into overdrive after that shot and took Senchenko out.

Seeing the effects of that punch on brook... has left me with doubts for Saturday. I hope I'm wrong though.

https://youtu.be/7MvDc1pVCRA

I don't see Brook being taken out by a single shot but imagine it will be more systematic like Golovkins win over Murray although earlier in the fight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 07, 2016, 11:46:05 PM
I don't see Brook being taken out by a single shot but imagine it will be more systematic like Golovkins win over Murray although earlier in the fight.

You could be right Tim.

Malignaggi said in an interview with kugan that GGG doesn't have much head movement. He is easy to hit flush. Though I don't think its wise to fight fire with fire with GGG.... unless your Marvin Hagler of course.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on September 08, 2016, 07:54:43 AM
GGG has occaisionally showed off his toughness, invited blows in - Kell does have a punch on him. Be interesting if he offered Kell a free shot..


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: AO88 on September 08, 2016, 08:58:55 AM
GGG has occaisionally showed off his toughness, invited blows in - Kell does have a punch on him. Be interesting if he offered Kell a free shot..

Does he have a punch on him for a middleweight though?

I'll not pretend to know a lot about him but Limeuoux or whatever was talked of as a big hitter. He got GGG with a few and he barely blinked.



The closer this gets the more people starting to get feelings maybe Kell can do something. To be honest I'm the opposite. Put my money on this not going past six the other day, not a huge return as I'm not a big gambler but it will do me.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 08, 2016, 09:45:41 AM
Does he have a punch on him for a middleweight though?

I'll not pretend to know a lot about him but Limeuoux or whatever was talked of as a big hitter. He got GGG with a few and he barely blinked.

The closer this gets the more people starting to get feelings maybe Kell can do something. To be honest I'm the opposite. Put my money on this not going past six the other day, not a huge return as I'm not a big gambler but it will do me.

Lemiuex can bang, but lacked the ability to land anything of any real note on Golovkin. Brook on the other hand has real technical ability, speed and accuracy. Golovkin fought with more caution against the Canadian puncher, and was able to nullify him. Won't be so easy negating Brook's offense.

The big question is the impact that Brook's punches may or may not have on Golovkin. Personally I think Brook will carry the power to do damage at 160, we know he can really crack at 47 and he's looked good at the higher poundage in the training footage we've seen....totally the opposite of Khan who looked 'skinny fat' when he was desperately tring to bulk up for Alvarez. Khan looked fleshy and lacking muscular size and definition. Brook looks rock solid.

Hell of a task, but this is what great fighters seek to do. Brook is certainly daring to be great!


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 08, 2016, 10:02:34 AM
Lemiuex can bang, but lacked the ability to land anything of any real note on Golovkin. Brook on the other hand has real technical ability, speed and accuracy. Golovkin fought with more caution against the Canadian puncher, and was able to nullify him. Won't be so easy negating Brook's offense.

The big question is the impact that Brook's punches may or may not have on Golovkin. Personally I think Brook will carry the power to do damage at 160, we know he can really crack at 47 and he's looked good at the higher poundage in the training footage we've seen....totally the opposite of Khan who looked 'skinny fat' when he was desperately tring to bulk up for Alvarez. Khan looked fleshy and lacking muscular size and definition. Brook looks rock solid.

Hell of a task, but this is what great fighters seek to do. Brook is certainly daring to be great!

After the Geale and Murray fights I had the opinion that GGG is there to be hit but against Lemeiux he looked a different fighter defensively...I suppose the question is whether GGG upped his game for the bigger puncher or if Lemeiux is just easy to read.

Brook will land some of his best shots and likely in the first round but once he feels the weight of Golovkins punches I think it will all go out the window.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on September 08, 2016, 12:01:06 PM
Rubio took everything Lemiuex had and beat him.

Lemiuex would be a snack for Froch & Kessler etc.

That said - he is a middle whereas Kell hasn't set foot there.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 08, 2016, 12:05:43 PM
Rubio took everything Lemiuex had and beat him.

Lemiuex would be a snack for Froch & Kessler etc.

That said - he is a middle whereas Kell hasn't set foot there.



That last line pretty much sums it up.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: tweetstreet on September 08, 2016, 12:28:36 PM
Brook is going to have to hit him with a shot he doesn't see coming to hurt him I think, GGG is very technically adept though and I think sometimes he's got a few gears in reserve.

I'd be interested to see what the people GGG has fought think of his power in comparison to other middleweights theyve faced, is it 20,30,50% harder?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: AO88 on September 08, 2016, 01:44:21 PM
Brook is going to have to hit him with a shot he doesn't see coming to hurt him I think, GGG is very technically adept though and I think sometimes he's got a few gears in reserve.

I'd be interested to see what the people GGG has fought think of his power in comparison to other middleweights theyve faced, is it 20,30,50% harder?

Macklin said it tickled that much he couldn't beat the count for rolling round on the floor laughing.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 08, 2016, 01:50:24 PM
After the Geale and Murray fights I had the opinion that GGG is there to be hit but against Lemeiux he looked a different fighter defensively...I suppose the question is whether GGG upped his game for the bigger puncher or if Lemeiux is just easy to read.

Brook will land some of his best shots and likely in the first round but once he feels the weight of Golovkins punches I think it will all go out the window.

I think you're underestimating the mindset of Brook going into this fight......for certain fights, certain fighters do special things because they are braced for what's coming.

Look at the hellacious bombs that Hatton took off Tszyu and just walked through them. We know that Tszyu was a destructive puncher yet Hatton wasn't going to be denied and was basically a man possessed.

I think Brook understand what he's up against, but he's ready for that pain and the sacrafices needed. The question is....is Golovkin ready and aware for what Brook has for him??

Kell has the offensive arsenal to make things very interesting, he has the capacity to be hitting GGG with punches that he hasn't had to face before. GGG has faced predictable opposition in the pros, solid but predictable foes with standard punches. Brook has the variety and angles to pose a different look. The key in this fight for me is the impact that Brooks' punches have on GGG? He can't hurt him he's in huge trouble....but if he can then he's in business and has the potential to prevail.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on September 08, 2016, 02:03:24 PM
Final Press Conference




Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 08, 2016, 03:01:21 PM
I think you're underestimating the mindset of Brook going into this fight......for certain fights, certain fighters do special things because they are braced for what's coming.

Look at the hellacious bombs that Hatton took off Tszyu and just walked through them. We know that Tszyu was a destructive puncher yet Hatton wasn't going to be denied and was basically a man possessed.

I think Brook understand what he's up against, but he's ready for that pain and the sacrafices needed. The question is....is Golovkin ready and aware for what Brook has for him??

Kell has the offensive arsenal to make things very interesting, he has the capacity to be hitting GGG with punches that he hasn't had to face before. GGG has faced predictable opposition in the pros, solid but predictable foes with standard punches. Brook has the variety and angles to pose a different look. The key in this fight for me is the impact that Brooks' punches have on GGG? He can't hurt him he's in huge trouble....but if he can then he's in business and has the potential to prevail.



That sounds more like you are over estimating Brook tbh . We will see though.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 08, 2016, 03:08:46 PM
Brook has looked big compared to GGG in the build up where he's been so heavy but from the pictures I've seen today he looks like the man from a lower weight.

I think GGG could end this at any point after four rounds, it's just how long he wants to drag it out and put on a show.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Gaz on September 08, 2016, 03:26:06 PM
Seeing them both face to face today it looks clear that there is at the very least a clear weight class between them in terms of natural size. I read a feature with Carl Frampton in midweek where he described GGG as one of the most complete fighters he's ever seen. I don't see him as a character who talks shit so the closer we get to the fight the more one-sided I think this could be after the possible bright start that Brook may have in the fight while GGG circles his prey and weighs up the most clinical way to dissect and then execute.

I agree with the above the fight will be GGG's any time after 4.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: GOD on September 08, 2016, 04:43:27 PM
I think you're underestimating the mindset of Brook going into this fight......for certain fights, certain fighters do special things because they are braced for what's coming.

Look at the hellacious bombs that Hatton took off Tszyu and just walked through them. We know that Tszyu was a destructive puncher yet Hatton wasn't going to be denied and was basically a man possessed.

I think Brook understand what he's up against, but he's ready for that pain and the sacrafices needed. The question is....is Golovkin ready and aware for what Brook has for him??

Kell has the offensive arsenal to make things very interesting, he has the capacity to be hitting GGG with punches that he hasn't had to face before. GGG has faced predictable opposition in the pros, solid but predictable foes with standard punches. Brook has the variety and angles to pose a different look. The key in this fight for me is the impact that Brooks' punches have on GGG? He can't hurt him he's in huge trouble....but if he can then he's in business and has the potential to prevail.



To me, Kell doesn't seem as mobile as he was prior to getting stabbed in Tenerife, which added to him not being accustomed to fighting at this weight, will play into GGG's hand in my opinion...maybe it's just the opposition he's faced since then, that he hasn't had to show the same skill level...we'll see on the night but I can't really see Kell Showing GGG anything new to what he's seen before


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 08, 2016, 06:03:05 PM
Brook is going to have to hit him with a shot he doesn't see coming to hurt him I think, GGG is very technically adept though and I think sometimes he's got a few gears in reserve.

I'd be interested to see what the people GGG has fought think of his power in comparison to other middleweights theyve faced, is it 20,30,50% harder?

There was an interview on Sky with Murray and he was in the ring with Rocky Fielding and he was demonstrating how effectively GGG cuts of the ring how he paras shots and how he's never out his face. I might be reading to much into his comments but it sounds like he's an absolute nightmare to box and highly skilled technically. I can't find the clip on youtube.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 08, 2016, 06:54:17 PM
Found it really interesting insight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HlANAjJRAU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HlANAjJRAU)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on September 08, 2016, 08:05:17 PM
There was an interview on Sky with Murray and he was in the ring with Rocky Fielding and he was demonstrating how effectively GGG cuts of the ring how he paras shots and how he's never out his face. I might be reading to much into his comments but it sounds like he's an absolute nightmare to box and highly skilled technically. I can't find the clip on youtube.

Shane Mosley said something similar in an interview on his experience sparing with GGG. Murray is right I don't think theirs anyone strong enough to push GGG back at middle. Shame about what happened to Pirog, that would have been a very interesting fight had he not got injured.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on September 08, 2016, 10:04:47 PM
Final Press Conference

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Adam Smith just looks bloody useless every time I see him up on the top table.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: GOD on September 08, 2016, 11:03:40 PM
Found it really interesting insight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HlANAjJRAU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HlANAjJRAU)

Excellent mate cheers pal that was a really interesting watch...GGG's fighting style really does seem to be a heart-breaker and a mind-breaker for his opponents. Never would I have imagined Martin Murray speaking like that say a couple of years back because the boy is a tough as they come, but GGG really did him over physically and mentally...I could be wrong but I really can't see Kell being strong enough in any way come fight night


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jimjack on September 09, 2016, 07:52:04 AM
Found it really interesting insight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HlANAjJRAU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HlANAjJRAU)

Don't show this to Kell Brook!


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 09, 2016, 08:57:41 AM
The problem with martin murray and most of GGG's opponents is that they provide quite a large target by facing him square on. Where as guys like ward and mayweather provide a far smaller target area.  So GGG will be throwing and all you will be landing on is arms, elbows, shoulders and back.  The shoulder roll would be perfect to nullify these attacks.  Plus ward and mayweather would be scoring on the counter as GGG leaves himself open.

He can be beaten and exposed by someone with a great defense. Once ward deals with kovalev. GGG will join canelo and run for cover.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Gaz on September 09, 2016, 09:08:54 AM
The problem with martin murray and most of GGG's opponents is that they provide quite a large target by facing him square on. Where as guys like ward and mayweather provide a far smaller target area.  So GGG will be throwing and all you will be landing on is arms, elbows, shoulders and back.  The shoulder roll would be perfect to nullify these attacks.  Plus ward and mayweather would be scoring on the counter as GGG leaves himself open.

He can be beaten and exposed by someone with a great defense. Once ward deals with kovalev. GGG will join canelo and run for cover.

I don't understand the logic behind that last statement. Isn't Ward fighting at light-heavy now? If so then how can GGG possibly be accused of running from a guy 2 weight classes above?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 09, 2016, 09:12:31 AM
The problem with martin murray and most of GGG's opponents is that they provide quite a large target by facing him square on. Where as guys like ward and mayweather provide a far smaller target area.  So GGG will be throwing and all you will be landing on is arms, elbows, shoulders and back.  The shoulder roll would be perfect to nullify these attacks.  Plus ward and mayweather would be scoring on the counter as GGG leaves himself open.

He can be beaten and exposed by someone with a great defense. Once ward deals with kovalev. GGG will join canelo and run for cover.

I think he's been running for cover already..

He went from the guy that will fight anyone from 154lb - 168lb to the guy that wants to win all the belts at middleweight in the blink of an eye. Conveniently this was around the same time he had offers on the table from guys at those weights.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 09, 2016, 09:14:48 AM
I don't understand the logic behind that last statement. Isn't Ward fighting at light-heavy now? If so then how can GGG possibly be accused of running from a guy 2 weight classes above?

He was offered the Ward fight at 168lb and apparently negotiations were taking place but ultimately he didn't fancy it and the fight didn't come off.

I don't blame him for not taking on Ward in his first super mid fight but he had dropped Wards name several times in the past and talked of fighting at 168lb...changed his tune when an offer emerged.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 09, 2016, 11:16:53 AM
I don't understand the logic behind that last statement. Isn't Ward fighting at light-heavy now? If so then how can GGG possibly be accused of running from a guy 2 weight classes above?

Ward moved up to light heavy after he cleaned out the SMW division.  He would have stayed at 168lb if GGG was interested in the fight.  However GGG wanted to fight mayweather and bottled the challenge.

So once ward defeats kovalev and stevenson... proving unquestionably to be P4P number 1. GGG will have to accept he is number 2. Without the desire to meet ward in the middle at 168lb.

He will just have to accept he is second best.

Just like canelo accepted that GGG is better.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: G-man on September 09, 2016, 11:41:11 AM
I've been watching back a few of Brook's fight in anticipation of this weekend and i can't see any other result than him getting ironed out. He's nowhere near as fleet-footed and elusive as some give him credit for and spends a lot of his time in the pocket leaning away from punches.

Unless, like Lurky says, his own punches have an effect on GGG with the extra weight. That's a lot off eggs to put in one basket though.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 09, 2016, 12:27:06 PM
I've been watching back a few of Brook's fight in anticipation of this weekend and i can't see any other result than him getting ironed out. He's nowhere near as fleet-footed and elusive as some give him credit for and spends a lot of his time in the pocket leaning away from punches.

Unless, like Lurky says, his own punches have an effect on GGG with the extra weight. That's a lot off eggs to put in one basket though.

I agree. Having seen the effect that the Shevchenko punch had on him... I don't think its going to work out well for him. Though i hope I'm wrong as I'll be screaming like a girl in the sports bar if he pulls it off. Or if he sees the 12th round.  


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 09, 2016, 12:50:50 PM
GGG weighs in at 158.8 and Brook at 159.4.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 09, 2016, 01:08:29 PM
GGG weighs in at 158.8 and Brook at 159.4.

Wow. I thought the weigh in was later tonight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: G-man on September 09, 2016, 01:47:06 PM
Skysports are reporting there is rumours of GGG being under the weather. Probably bollocks.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 09, 2016, 01:53:57 PM
Skysports are reporting there is rumours of GGG being under the weather. Probably bollocks.

Probably came from the same person that told Johnny Nelson that GGG KO'd Kovalev in sparring.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: tweetstreet on September 09, 2016, 01:56:15 PM
Probably came from the same person that told Johnny Nelson that GGG KO'd Kovalev in sparring.

There's a bit of truth to that rumour though, kovalevs trainer admitted he was dropped by a body shot all be it when Kovalev had just started a training camp


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 09, 2016, 02:02:53 PM
There's a bit of truth to that rumour though, kovalevs trainer admitted he was dropped by a body shot all be it when Kovalev had just started a training camp

Still a big difference between being dropped and being KO'd.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jaff_no1 on September 09, 2016, 02:07:26 PM
There's a bit of truth to that rumour though, kovalevs trainer admitted he was dropped by a body shot all be it when Kovalev had just started a training camp
I see a bod shot ending the fight tomorrow night


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 09, 2016, 02:07:35 PM
Probably came from the same person that told Johnny Nelson that GGG KO'd Kovalev in sparring.

Thats nothing mate I heard Brook ko'd Fury in sparring !

Being serious Kovalev has admitted he did get caught by a body shot by GGG in training and took a knee obviously if they had a "real" fight there would only be one winner and it wouldn't be GGG.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 09, 2016, 02:09:11 PM
I see a bod shot ending the fight tomorrow night

Thats the shot which causes Kell the most danger as well although you havent said who will win :)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jaff_no1 on September 09, 2016, 02:17:45 PM
Thats the shot which causes Kell the most danger as well although you havent said who will win :)
GGG


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 09, 2016, 02:45:38 PM
Brook looked great on the scales.....looked in great shape, intense but relaxed. Golovkin didn't look as assured as in previous fights. Might mean nothing once the actual fighting begins, but he doesn't look as comfortable as we're used to seeing him.

I do think that Brook's serene confidence and the magnitude of the event is dawning on GGG to a degree....lets not forget he's never been on this big a stage before. We take it for granted as Brits....but fights in the UK are big time now. Huge aggressive crowds, lots of money and spotlight. All this can be overwhelming to anybody....and Golovkin is human.

Regarding GGG's previous opposition and the difference between them and Brook. Undoubtedly Kell is the most talented fighter that GGG will have faced as a pro, he has an offense and wrinkles to his game that the likes of Lemiuex etc could only dream of. Kell does things at times that makes people sit up and notice, in a way that NOBODY Golovkin's ever fought before has got in their locker room. This is a step up for Golovkin in terms of the talent he is now facing. But Brook's mindset is whats really key for me.

We'll use Murray as an example and in comparison......Now I've got a ton of respect for Martin, He's tough, willing and has some genuine ability. But did he really believe he was going to beat GGG??? Of course he went in prepared, looking to fight to a plan and would have been hopeful.....but did he expect to have his hands raised when smoke cleared? For me...NO. IMO he went in determined to put up stubborn resistance, to prove his toughness, to do his best and hope it went his way.

Difference is Brook goes into this fully expecting to win. Understanding what he's up against, but with a belief in his own abilities that means he'll fully believe hand on his heart that this is his time, his night, and victory will be his. Backed by a British crowd and that kind of conviction, He will not be easily vanquished, even for a fighter as formidable as GGG.

I've mentioned it a few times, but its the impact of Brook's fists on the night that'll be the deciding factor. We all know GGG has the power to hurt anyone he hits, but if Brook's power makes an impression on Golovkin....then Kell really will be in business, because his skill set has never been in question. He can't outbox Golovkin....'IF' he can't at least force GGG to respect his power and fight with some caution. But if he can put some kind of dent GGG, then we could be ready to witness something very special from one of our own!


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 09, 2016, 02:55:13 PM
GGG

I know mate ....

Enjoy all the rumours between now and tomorrow i'm sure there will be some crackers especially on Twitter.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 09, 2016, 04:52:24 PM
Carl's new nose stole the show today  ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: GOD on September 09, 2016, 06:38:18 PM
Brook looked great on the scales.....looked in great shape, intense but relaxed. Golovkin didn't look as assured as in previous fights. Might mean nothing once the actual fighting begins, but he doesn't look as comfortable as we're used to seeing him.

I do think that Brook's serene confidence and the magnitude of the event is dawning on GGG to a degree....lets not forget he's never been on this big a stage before. We take it for granted as Brits....but fights in the UK are big time now. Huge aggressive crowds, lots of money and spotlight. All this can be overwhelming to anybody....and Golovkin is human.

Regarding GGG's previous opposition and the difference between them and Brook. Undoubtedly Kell is the most talented fighter that GGG will have faced as a pro, he has an offense and wrinkles to his game that the likes of Lemiuex etc could only dream of. Kell does things at times that makes people sit up and notice, in a way that NOBODY Golovkin's ever fought before has got in their locker room. This is a step up for Golovkin in terms of the talent he is now facing. But Brook's mindset is whats really key for me.

We'll use Murray as an example and in comparison......Now I've got a ton of respect for Martin, He's tough, willing and has some genuine ability. But did he really believe he was going to beat GGG??? Of course he went in prepared, looking to fight to a plan and would have been hopeful.....but did he expect to have his hands raised when smoke cleared? For me...NO. IMO he went in determined to put up stubborn resistance, to prove his toughness, to do his best and hope it went his way.

Difference is Brook goes into this fully expecting to win. Understanding what he's up against, but with a belief in his own abilities that means he'll fully believe hand on his heart that this is his time, his night, and victory will be his. Backed by a British crowd and that kind of conviction, He will not be easily vanquished, even for a fighter as formidable as GGG.

I've mentioned it a few times, but its the impact of Brook's fists on the night that'll be the deciding factor. We all know GGG has the power to hurt anyone he hits, but if Brook's power makes an impression on Golovkin....then Kell really will be in business, because his skill set has never been in question. He can't outbox Golovkin....'IF' he can't at least force GGG to respect his power and fight with some caution. But if he can put some kind of dent GGG, then we could be ready to witness something very special from one of our own!

I think Murray, unlike Macklin, went into the GGG fight genuinely believing that he could win...but there was one shot that he took in that first round that switched up his whole demeanour and confidence for the rest of the fight, after that shot he looks beat...

Brook looked in great shape, GGG didn't look quite right to me but he has time now to rest and prepare. Brook looks supremely confident but let's see if his confidence goes the same way as Murray's once he gets hit...


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 09, 2016, 07:24:25 PM
I think Murray, unlike Macklin, went into the GGG fight genuinely believing that he could win...but there was one shot that he took in that first round that switched up his whole demeanour and confidence for the rest of the fight, after that shot he looks beat...

Brook looked in great shape, GGG didn't look quite right to me but he has time now to rest and prepare. Brook looks supremely confident but let's see if his confidence goes the same way as Murray's once he gets hit...

See I think Murray went in resolute and hopeful, but I don't think he had the conviction and faith that Brook has.

Bit like Murray kept trying to convince himself.....he's not a monster I can beat him!
Whereas Brook has an attitude of.....I know he's a monster and I'm going to slay him!

Murray had hope, Brook has belief. Think its a fairly big difference. Had Murray found some early success then his hope might have turned into belief, and its possible that Brook's belief will dim once he gets hit. But at this point I think Brook goes into this fight in a healthier state of mind than anybody GGG's faced upto yet. And if it is true that Golovkin is feeling a bit under the weather....well great, the omens are good!


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 09, 2016, 08:30:41 PM
Lets hope the aura around GGG is extinguished like Froch against Bute.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 09, 2016, 11:02:37 PM
Lets hope the aura around GGG is extinguished like Froch against Bute.

GGG is in some ways the Bute of today....looks unbeatable but full of excuses.

I think Golovkin could be a very special talent but his lack of intent to test himself makes me think he has some doubt in his own abilities.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 10, 2016, 06:23:18 AM
GGG is in some ways the Bute of today....looks unbeatable but full of excuses.

I think Golovkin could be a very special talent but his lack of intent to test himself makes me think he has some doubt in his own abilities.

I can't see that there are too many similarities to be honest. GGG hasn't been splattered all over the ring by someone of the quality of Librado Andrade only to be given as long as he needed to recover and scrape a win. Bute's only decent opponent prior to that was probably Sakio Bika. Golovkin hasn't set the world alight with opponents but he's got some decent solid names mixed in his list over the last 4 years and none of them have even come close to putting a dent in him.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 10, 2016, 07:22:29 AM
I can't see that there are too many similarities to be honest. GGG hasn't been splattered all over the ring by someone of the quality of Librado Andrade only to be given as long as he needed to recover and scrape a win. Bute's only decent opponent prior to that was probably Sakio Bika. Golovkin hasn't set the world alight with opponents but he's got some decent solid names mixed in his list over the last 4 years and none of them have even come close to putting a dent in him.

The simlaritites come in the excuses....they both talked up big fights but when it comes to it they never happen.

Bute was always on about how his next fight would be a big one and when the super six started claimed he wasn't invited but would fight a few more tomato cans during the tournament and then the winner after....instead he took on the runner up thinking it was easy pickings and got smashed,

Golovkins lack of intentions are just as clear all be it in a poor division.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 10, 2016, 08:15:54 AM
The simlaritites come in the excuses....they both talked up big fights but when it comes to it they never happen.

Bute was always on about how his next fight would be a big one and when the super six started claimed he wasn't invited but would fight a few more tomato cans during the tournament and then the winner after....instead he took on the runner up thinking it was easy pickings and got smashed,

Golovkins lack of intentions are just as clear all be it in a poor division.

You're right there but I think it's clear that Bute and Golovkin are two completely different animals


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 10, 2016, 09:45:13 AM
You're right there but I think it's clear that Bute and Golovkin are two completely different animals

If brook blasts him out in under 6 rounds (a massive if)... People will say :

1) Golovkin lost when he came up against the first world class opponent.
2) GGG will probably say he was ill and wants a rematch.
3) Canelo will jump to the chance to face brook in Vegas.
4) Mayweathers 50th fight v brook rumours will surpass WBC champ garcia.
5) Khan will beg for a showdown at wembley next summer... and will avoid big risk fights until then.

6) Errol spence will fight for the vacant IBF... due to the big money brook fights... and will go onto dominate the 147lb division.

7) Interest in GGG v Canelo will be secondary.




Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on September 10, 2016, 10:19:18 AM
Kell Brook looked great, very confident. GGG on the other hand appeared like he didn't want to be there, he looked ill.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Chris330 on September 10, 2016, 12:52:10 PM
Does anyone know of a good site I could subscribe to and watch the fight tonight? Every time I tried free streams they drop out  :'(


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on September 10, 2016, 01:31:56 PM
GGG looked fine to me.

He wasn't burning up any energy punching the air and yelling.

Brook needs to tone down the emotion and keep a lid on it.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: pogo on September 10, 2016, 02:32:34 PM
Brook has been saying all the right things in the run up, and has looked supremely confident.

I suspect he will have total belief right up to the point when he takes his first clean right hand. I cant see anything but a GGG stoppage.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Bonters on September 10, 2016, 02:44:43 PM
I cringed when Brook was speaking at that Presser (not entirely unusual for me to cringe when Brook speaks).  BUT FFS, he only used that most dreadful of Groveserisms and said 'Everything for a reason'
Goodnight Kell!   ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 10, 2016, 03:08:32 PM
If brook blasts him out in under 6 rounds (a massive if)... People will say :

1) Golovkin lost when he came up against the first world class opponent.
2) GGG will probably say he was ill and wants a rematch.
3) Canelo will jump to the chance to face brook in Vegas.
4) Mayweathers 50th fight v brook rumours will surpass WBC champ garcia.
5) Khan will beg for a showdown at wembley next summer... and will avoid big risk fights until then.

6) Errol spence will fight for the vacant IBF... due to the big money brook fights... and will go onto dominate the 147lb division.

7) Interest in GGG v Canelo will be secondary.




I thought about that Mayweather option the other day. I'd say it's be very likely if Brook won, but he won't.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: G-man on September 10, 2016, 05:47:01 PM
Why does Paul Smith always look out of shape at only 12 stone?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on September 10, 2016, 06:29:18 PM
Smith has always looked to me like he could do 160.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: G-man on September 10, 2016, 06:38:33 PM
Judging by his social media he seems to train hard but always looks really soft and fleshy.

Maybe he has lard sandwiches for his tea.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: tweetstreet on September 10, 2016, 06:45:13 PM
Same dietician as frankie Gavin is it?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 10, 2016, 06:51:15 PM
Can anyone help me out with a site? The paid one I use has closed subscriptions


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Kevan2 on September 10, 2016, 07:04:22 PM
What are we thinking to all the new commentary style....

I'm liking it. Dave C is always good to listen to, as is Paulie.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 10, 2016, 07:17:56 PM
Can anyone help me out with a site? The paid one I use has closed subscriptions

Sportsmania mate


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: tweetstreet on September 10, 2016, 07:22:48 PM
Can anyone help me out with a site? The paid one I use has closed subscriptions

There's plenty streaming on Facebook mate.

There's a page called boxing streams

Feel for Charlie Edwards there, came to soon but fair play he took his shot. Commentators saying he's got a lot to learn which is true but he's got a lot to unlearn too. They made a point of a top amateur v a good pro and if he wants to go from being one to another he's going to have to unlearn the amateur style and commit to his punches more and improve the defence.

Big props to him though


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 10, 2016, 07:31:01 PM
Cheers guys.

Edwards was brave there but just not good or experienced enough just yet.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Kevan2 on September 10, 2016, 07:31:18 PM
Good effort from Charlie But he had no power to keep him away. I see Kell failing in a similar way, of course i wish him well and hope he can pull it off.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: wbamitch on September 10, 2016, 07:45:49 PM
Excited now, its great to get GGG over here, Kell looks fantastic but I just feel GGG is goong to show how good he is and probably not get the credit. As good as Kell is, I would give him a great chance against many of the welterweights I think GGG could take him really early. A destruction in 3 is what I've been feeling today, 6 when im a bit generous.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 10, 2016, 09:34:44 PM
Close fight that but I think Hall pushed it a lot closer than the judges saw it.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: GOD on September 10, 2016, 09:35:11 PM
As long as GGG is not sick, he knocks Kell Brook put in 3-4 rounds


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 10, 2016, 09:50:55 PM
Excited now, its great to get GGG over here, Kell looks fantastic but I just feel GGG is goong to show how good he is and probably not get the credit. As good as Kell is, I would give him a great chance against many of the welterweights I think GGG could take him really early. A destruction in 3 is what I've been feeling today, 6 when im a bit generous.

Go home you're drunk. No result tonight will shoukd change anyone's opinion on GGG unless he loses.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: glenn_user on September 10, 2016, 09:56:28 PM
has there been a worse night of boxing intro music?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 10, 2016, 10:01:58 PM
Links have all gone freeze frame mode ffs


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jorg21 on September 10, 2016, 10:17:00 PM
Great 2nd round from Brook.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: SteveR on September 10, 2016, 10:19:08 PM
Links have all gone freeze frame mode ffs

Look up Boxing Guru on facebook


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: pogo on September 10, 2016, 10:25:48 PM
some effort from Brook. Nobody has pushed GGG so hard.

Stopped but Brook went up in my estimation. Brave brave effort.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jorg21 on September 10, 2016, 10:28:29 PM
Great effort from Brook think his orbital bone is broken.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: tweetstreet on September 10, 2016, 10:30:26 PM
Pretty sure that's why ingle stopped it, I think the bone is fractured too.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: SteveR on September 10, 2016, 10:31:03 PM
Great effort from Brook think his orbital bone is broken.

Looked to go a while back too. He was clearly struggling with it. Fair play to him


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 10, 2016, 10:32:25 PM
Brook was superb he has given GGG a better fight than most middleweights.

GGG is simply too big as most suspected.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: SCOTTY'S SOBER on September 10, 2016, 10:38:32 PM
Brook would beat canelo handily


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 10, 2016, 10:41:27 PM
Brook would beat canelo handily

Lol


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 10, 2016, 10:44:09 PM
Brook would beat canelo handily

Canelo needs to get his ar&e in with GGG that's what really should happen but it won't as he knows GGG will knock him out


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jimjack on September 10, 2016, 10:45:27 PM
Can't believe the nonsense on to and web.
GGG won very easy. No one st any time, ever, could look at that fight and think... Brook will win.
He did well for a welter


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 10, 2016, 10:50:42 PM
I don't think GGG was an easy winner Brook was probably level after 4 problem was he was not going to live with GGG for 12 rounds it's that simple.

I agree with most Brook belongs at 154 now.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jorg21 on September 10, 2016, 10:55:56 PM
I had it level after 4 but Golovkin was starting to land and was walking through everything Kell hit him with, Great effort from Kell but pretty much the result we all expected apart from the KO not happening.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tito on September 10, 2016, 10:57:05 PM
Fair play to Brook he had a go and didn't go hiding he went from it from the off and although the 1st was a bad one for him he stayed upright and went straight back at him from then on. It was just to big of a mountain to climb GGG looked big, tough and relentless he never let up and although he walked on to a few he always looked more dangerous and once he had Brook hurt he just targeted it and turned the screw.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 10, 2016, 10:59:05 PM
Brook made GGG look garbage at times and I actually believe he had the guy hurt to an extent. However he's not a middleweight and GGG is a bully.

Next fight should be GGG v Canelo at 154lb


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 10, 2016, 11:07:21 PM
Brook done well, he went for it that's all you can ask for so fair play to him.

I don't agree with the stoppage/save him for another day, not like that anyway. This is supposed to be elite level fighting people get busted up it comes with the territory. Gatti/Ward, Barrera/Moralles, Corralles/Castillo were all classics that's the sport you're in. The arguement will be "yeah but Kells not a MW" well he is/was tonight because he and everyone around him said he was. You signed up for this so deal with what comes with it.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jorg21 on September 10, 2016, 11:13:27 PM
Brook done well, he went for it that's all you can ask for so fair play to him.

I don't agree with the stoppage/save him for another day, not like that anyway. This is supposed to be elite level fighting people get busted up it comes with the territory. Gatti/Ward, Barrera/Moralles, Corralles/Castillo were all classics that's the sport you're in. The arguement will be "yeah but Kells not a MW" well he is/was tonight because he and everyone around him said he was. You signed up for this so deal with what comes with it.

I think the stoppage was more down to the fact that Kell's vision was blurred with a possible fractured eye socket if he hadn't gotten that injury I don't think they would have stopped it.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 10, 2016, 11:15:11 PM
Ingle was correct mate I noticed Brook keep touching his eye 2nd or 3rd round he couldn't see obviously Brook knew it as well.

He'd have been stopped in the 5th round


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 10, 2016, 11:19:48 PM
I think the stoppage was more down to the fact that Kell's vision was blurred with a possible fractured eye socket if he hadn't gotten that injury I don't think they would have stopped it.

If fights were stopped every time there was a possible fracture we'd hardly ever see one go past 6 rounds. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I want to see people get hurt but you're in a line of work that carries massive risk so you have to let it unfold naturally to a certain extent. You get much worse injuries in UFC yet they fight until they're out cold or submit themselves.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 10, 2016, 11:23:06 PM
I think the stoppage was more down to the fact that Kell's vision was blurred with a possible fractured eye socket if he hadn't gotten that injury I don't think they would have stopped it.

this. The guy can't risk his vision and that's what he was doing once that socket had gone and he was taking shot, I assume the corner told him to protect the inured eye or they'd stop it.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: SteveR on September 10, 2016, 11:32:32 PM
His corner did the right thing. An injury like that which is left could have much longer lasting repercussions


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jorg21 on September 11, 2016, 01:31:16 AM
If fights were stopped every time there was a possible fracture we'd hardly ever see one go past 6 rounds. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I want to see people get hurt but you're in a line of work that carries massive risk so you have to let it unfold naturally to a certain extent. You get much worse injuries in UFC yet they fight until they're out cold or submit themselves.

I'm sure Kell would be happy his team stopped it when they did rather than having an eye like Margacheato after the Pac fight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 11, 2016, 03:03:43 AM
Very impressive performance from brook. I agree with what froch said after the fight - GGG would have lost against him. Froch too big, too strong. GGG should stay at middleweight and not look to move up.

I felt brook exposed GGG... and the GGG team allured to this fact by seeing it as a positive.  "Maybe if kell can do that to gennady, so can I".

The stoppage was the right thing to do. If his sight is blurred he has no chance of winning.

Really enjoyed that... edge of the seat stuff. Watched it in a sports bar in Canary Wharf. Atmosphere felt like i was in the arena.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 11, 2016, 03:38:12 AM
Very impressive performance from brook. I agree with what froch said after the fight - GGG would have lost against him. Froch too big, too strong. GGG should stay at middleweight and not look to move up.

I felt brook exposed GGG... and the GGG team allured to this fact by seeing it as a positive.  "Maybe if kell can do that to gennady, so can I".

The stoppage was the right thing to do. If his sight is blurred he has no chance of winning.

Really enjoyed that... edge of the seat stuff. Watched it in a sports bar in Canary Wharf. Atmosphere felt like i was in the arena.

Pretty much my opinion. Although it's a shame as i wanted GGG to make the super mid move but now im certain that's never happening.

Odds are now he waits around at middleweight for BJS who I'm not even certain fights any more.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: brocktonbomber on September 11, 2016, 04:00:11 AM
Can't believe the nonsense on to and web.
GGG won very easy. No one st any time, ever, could look at that fight and think... Brook will win.
He did well for a welter

Exactly. He did well for a welter because he is, after all, a top class welter. However in this fight, he won one round on the way to getting stopped in five. GGG tried to make a show for the fans as he always does. So, Brook appeared more of a threat at times than he actually was. Seriously, GGG was never in any trouble.

Just finished watching Gonzalez-Cuadras, much better fight than this.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on September 11, 2016, 04:55:56 AM

Fantastic fight.
GGG did not show any regard for Kells power, he was very reckless, getting caught flush with shots he didn't see coming and just ate them up. The skill and welterweight speed was giving GGG a few problems but seemed an irritant more than him being hurt. Thought the stoppage was right, Kell could no longer defend himself.

Brook exposed weakneses in GGG. Jacobs and canelo might fancy that fight now. It's very difficult to estimate GGG as a fighter after this. He was so reckless. I'd love to see this one again. Hats off to both fighters, they made this a great fight.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: tweetstreet on September 11, 2016, 04:57:11 AM
Confirmed broken orbital bone for brook so fair play to him for fighting on with the injury and justified the corner throwing the towel in


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on September 11, 2016, 05:07:00 AM
Didn't enjoy the commentary it has to be said.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: GOD on September 11, 2016, 07:31:57 AM
That was a real fun fight, which was a win-win for both fighters...

Brook's stock has risen because he did show a lot of heart and courage to fight in the way he did...he took a lot of hellacious shots from GGG and was clearly wilting but he showed a warrior spirit...

It could benefit GGG in the sense that Canelo might look at that and think, hmmm maybe I can....

1st round was a terrible one for Brook, I think he took the second and then had some success in the 3rd and 4th, but GGG took those rounds IMO and the 5th was another bad one for Brook and it was the perfect stoppage from his corner...the Ingle's have known him since he was 9 years old and they want to see him live another day let alone live to fight another day. Had the corner of the ref not pulled him out, it could have ended very badly for him in terms of his right eye


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 11, 2016, 07:58:45 AM
Didn't enjoy the commentary it has to be said.

It was very pro brook. However, i think malignaggi is becoming one of the best commentators in boxing.  He even called the fractured or broken eye socket going into round 5. I thought he was brilliant.

Brook could have fought and beaten 20 jojo dans but what he did to golovkin in the last minute of round 2... elevated him to a whole new level.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on September 11, 2016, 08:01:47 AM
Brook didn't run off when the heat came. He slipped and slid, throw jabs and combos right back at him.

GGG must have fists like ice picks to break bones like that.

I was impressed with Brook, showed courage. But his punches literally bounced off GGG whom didn't even have a mark on him. Whereas you look at how Frankie Gavin looked afterwards, and he looked messed up.

I'd like to see Brook stay at the top, fighting the marquee fights. Canelo vs Smith winner would be good. I can see Canelo /GBP looking at brook at a yard stick now, to test themselves against.

GGG looked out of sorts at first, but once he got going he was putting some pounding shots together. He was gathering serious momentum when Dom threw the towel in.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 11, 2016, 08:03:24 AM
Brook didn't run off when the heat came. He slipped and slid, throw jabs and combos right back at him.

GGG must have fists like ice picks to break bones like that.

I was impressed with Brook, showed courage. But his punches literally bounced off GGG whom didn't even have a mark on him. Whereas you look at how Frankie Gavin looked afterwards, and he looked messed up.

I'd like to see Brook stay at the top, fighting the marquee fights. Canelo vs Smith winner would be good. I can see Canelo /GBP looking at brook at a yard stick now, to test themselves against.



I dunno red. If you watch the post fight interview.  GGG looks pretty marked up to me. He took some incredible uppercuts and hooks.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on September 11, 2016, 08:04:07 AM
I dunno red. If you watch the post fight interview.  GGG looks pretty marked up to me.

I haven't seen it to be fair. Encouraging if so.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 11, 2016, 08:06:49 AM
I haven't seen it to be fair. Encouraging if so.

Left eye and forehead. Nothing major. But he left his mark.

https://youtu.be/zEk1xe2ifsI

https://youtu.be/L3BaXpSiapw

In my view GGG is P4P no.1 hardest puncher... but he isn't P4P no.1 boxer.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: bigbibbs on September 11, 2016, 08:36:42 AM
The best way for the GGG to get the fights he wants is too look less then invincible.

People will no wthink they can beat him.  They can't and they won't.

He made the fight exciting and he made it a spectacle for the crowd and larger viewing audience.

I feel that if he fought his usual patient fight he would have made this a lot easier.

But! Kell did a brilliant job and did all he could.  Of course he would be a little faster but just Khan's attempt he was not big enough.

The obvious fight for me is Khan v Brook as both are coming off a loss against the two best MW in the world.  And for me Brook wins that fight with one hand, which is why of course it won't ever happen.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 11, 2016, 08:54:26 AM
It would be interesting to see from a styles point of view. Khan v Spence for the vacant IBF. It could be an easy fight to setup.

i think brook v canelo/smith.... has got to be next. I think a lot of people will be interested in seeing that after last night. Brook deserves a date in vegas. Its going to be tough to get back down to147lb.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 11, 2016, 08:58:55 AM
People going ott with Brook now. He sold his '0' to a middleweight.

It was good to watch but ultimately he got taken out in 5 rounds. 



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 11, 2016, 09:07:43 AM
I missed it live so watched it back a couple of times today whilst Brook gave it a shot he was never going to win that. I can't understand this fight in all honesty whilst it was a gutsy decision he was never going to win however I'm sure the pay day will be fantastic.

For me the only fight that makes sense is Brook Vs Khan in the UK which would surely deliver well for both fighters, probably at light middle. For GGG it really has to be BJS, Canelo of Eubank Jnr the latter I think would gave GGG a load of problems



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: tweetstreet on September 11, 2016, 09:21:44 AM
I missed it live so watched it back a couple of times today whilst Brook gave it a shot he was never going to win that. I can't understand this fight in all honesty whilst it was a gutsy decision he was never going to win however I'm sure the pay day will be fantastic.

For me the only fight that makes sense is Brook Vs Khan in the UK which would surely deliver well for both fighters, probably at light middle. For GGG it really has to be BJS, Canelo of Eubank Jnr the latter I think would gave GGG a load of problems




That will be sold as a stadium fight so we wont see that until next summer if it does happen so both will have to have another fight in the build up, will Brook do Welter again? I don't think so, so depends on whether Khan will do light middle.

As Red said though GGG is probably P4P hardest puncher but not P4P, Gonzales or the winner of Kovalev and Ward gets that mantle


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Bonters on September 11, 2016, 10:40:22 AM
Brook gave a good account of himself but never had GGG in any trouble at all.  Folk are forever looking for the weaknesses in Golovkin but there really don't seem to be any.  He's gonna take some stopping if he carries on as he is.  Last night I thought it disappointing that it ended with a 'towel surrender' and I agree with a lot of what Driscoll has said.  On reflection today (and without beer!), I guess it was the correct thing to do, albeit it makes modern day boxers look rather 'precious' compared to their predecessors.
As an aside, Ruya on Kodi worked perfectly, never a glitch, for my first experience of a PPV on there.   ;)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 11, 2016, 12:19:09 PM
Seeing t again this morning and looking at the stoppage it was the right call. Got a bit carried away last night I think  ;D

I don't see why Brook would need Khan at LMW he would eat him alive. At welter it might be closer but only because Kell would be dead at the weight. Brook vs Cotto or one of the Charlo brothers would be very good options for his next fight. Would do big numbers with the view to fighting Canelo after that. Khan doesn't really hold any cards at the minute he'd need to fight and beat someone like Danny Garcia to get his name back in the mix.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: glenn_user on September 11, 2016, 12:24:50 PM
thought brook would do a bit better to be fair, he got splattered in the first round. yes he looked good in the second, but it was clear by then that he'd already been very badly hurt, eye was really swollen. he had his moments, but seemed to just be hunted down for the most part and not throw enough back.

he needs another promoter after all this, hearn going on about being so excited and 'so f***ing up for it' etc etc. he happily shelled out 7million quid to buy a paper title for joshua, yet he arguably has one of the best 147 fighters there is on his books in brook, and the only way to make him any money/get him exposure is to put im in a fight like that 2 weights up after years of none events.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: G-man on September 11, 2016, 12:54:59 PM
Golovkin has never had any head movement but he was particularly open last night once he knew Brook had nothing to hurt him. He just walked Brook down and although Kel responded he always looked to me like he was breaking his neck just to stay in the fight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: mac-rebel021 on September 11, 2016, 01:19:45 PM
In regards the towel coming in. The best thing the corner could of done for him. Remember cheato getting pummeled by the pac, if his corner had the same compassion has ingle. They could of saved his career, cheato now cant take a left hook without his eye closing up.

Kell went out on his feet and will live to fight another day.

I know there is a lot of Froch fans on here but is not a bit of clown with his comments last night saying he'd beat ggg if it was him in there, if that's the case why didn't he sign the contract last year. His commentary is worse than watt, he has brook ahead on his scorecard....come on


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 11, 2016, 01:29:07 PM
In regards the towel coming in. The best thing the corner could of done for him. Remember cheato getting pummeled by the pac, if his corner had the same compassion has ingle. They could of saved his career, cheato now cant take a left hook without his eye closing up.

Kell went out on his feet and will live to fight another day.

I know there is a lot of Froch fans on here but is not a bit of clown with his comments last night saying he'd beat ggg if it was him in there, if that's the case why didn't he sign the contract last year. His commentary is worse than watt, he has brook ahead on his scorecard....come on

Not sure where this froch ducking ggg has come from. Froch never received an offer and ggg has no intention of fighting at 168lb. Hence why he bullied a welterweight last night.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 11, 2016, 01:43:56 PM
How anyone had Kell ahead is beyond me. Eddie Hearn contracts red himself in his ifl interview after the fight he's unbearable some times. Kugan asked if he regretted putting Kell in there he said no because he was winning the fight. Then went on to say Kell had a terrible first round the second and third were "epic" GGG started to get on top in the 4th and well, we all saw the 5th. Bell end!

I think what Froch was saying was right to be fair. Just as the size and strength was a factor for Kell against GGG, the same would've applied to GGG had he got in with Froch. I can see his point although he probably didn't need to make it.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 11, 2016, 06:02:52 PM
From being in the arena last night it seemed they shifted a lot of tickets to people who don't know shit about boxing. The booing of the stoppage was ridiculous. It's safe to assume that Ingle knew what Kell was capable of more than some Skytard.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 11, 2016, 06:38:32 PM
BJS wants Golovkin - after he fights on the undercard for Fury v Klitschko in October.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIQdH53MTA4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIQdH53MTA4)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: wbamitch on September 11, 2016, 07:49:00 PM
Terrific effort from Brook, obviously it was a short fight but I really think he looked good at the higher weight and it very much seems the right move to make, maybe not middleweight although I do think he can compete, he could be in some very good fights at 154 and push a claim towards being the top guy. GGG looked a lot better on fight night appearance wise although his performance was not as clinical as I think many expected. I do believe he takes shots and can prolong fights for entertainment value, I'm not so convinced last night though, Brook definitely frustrated him and had spells where he took the centre of the ring and put some good work on Golovkin.

Brook did as well as I have seen anyone against Golovkin, maybe not hurt but I was a bit surprised with the dismissive attitude towards Brook's strength post fight, I definitely think Brook surprised Golovkin in there and had him at least out of out his stride for a short period. It was a very angry and less calculated performance by GGG but the breakthrough and the hurt you always felt was coming.

Brook came back brilliantly at times after constant constant pressure from Golovkin which really made it an exciting fight to watch, I did feel there was a possibility that Brook could have again bounced back from the pressure from Golovkin that forced the finish to have a spell of success again in the fight to keep that exciting action going but the stoppage and a more brutal one was not far away. Particularly for the eye and future big fights which he deserves, that stoppage was well timed by Ingle, as I said the finish if Golovkin would have been allowed to carry on would have been a lot more painful.

It wasn't always clean but like another fighter on that night the pressure just kept coming and coming and that power can cause serious damage. Brook I would like to see go to 154, I don't want the Khan fight to be honest, I'd like to see him beat someone. Plenty of good fights and stylistic fights as well in that division, It would be a brilliant achievement if Kell could go and reign in that division. If Alvarez thinks he is that weight then him vs Brook would be a real good one, maybe Smith.

Golovkin, it would be crap if he was forced to move down for the Alvarez fight which I don't think will happen anyway, Jacobs and Saunders are good options and hopefully they will step up after watching the fight last night and talking still... not Eubank, hopefully the unification he craves and maybe Canelo the end of next year who can even have a fight at middleweight before that.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Faulks on September 11, 2016, 10:11:09 PM
Brook gave a good account of himself but never had GGG in any trouble at all.  Folk are forever looking for the weaknesses in Golovkin but there really don't seem to be any.  He's gonna take some stopping if he carries on as he is.  Last night I thought it disappointing that it ended with a 'towel surrender' and I agree with a lot of what Driscoll has said.  On reflection today (and without beer!), I guess it was the correct thing to do, albeit it makes modern day boxers look rather 'precious' compared to their predecessors.
As an aside, Ruya on Kodi worked perfectly, never a glitch, for my first experience of a PPV on there.   ;)

This covers my thoughts.

Ggg will smash BJS into tiny pieces .


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: MFC_SE15 on September 12, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
From being in the arena last night it seemed they shifted a lot of tickets to people who don't know shit about boxing. The booing of the stoppage was ridiculous. It's safe to assume that Ingle knew what Kell was capable of more than some Skytard.

Only thing I would say in defence is up the back of the O2 it isn't always easy to see absolutely everything. Most around us (including myself in fairness) wouldn't have known the damage he'd suffered to his eye. We could see the fight had completely turned and GGG was well in control and hurting Brook so would have assumed the stoppage was due to just him getting on top rather than knowing Brook had an injury.

That said there were a lot of wallies there but there always will be at any live event. Some will not have remembered it at all - for once I was sensible and drunk responsibly - even surprised myself!


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Danny B on September 12, 2016, 11:58:34 AM
Do most people think Brook would beat Khan if they fight next year (based on this), or are we still giving Khan a shot? I used to favour Khan all day but not so sure anymore.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 12, 2016, 12:14:15 PM
I think at 154 Brook would beat Khan not sure if we will see the fight happen though as it seems to me Khan really doesn't want to lose to Brook if that makes sense he'd rather lose to Garcia / Pacman etc.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 12, 2016, 12:55:05 PM
I think at 154 Brook would beat Khan not sure if we will see the fight happen though as it seems to me Khan really doesn't want to lose to Brook if that makes sense he'd rather lose to Garcia / Pacman etc.

Would you want to be constantly reminded by your opponent that you was knocked out in front of 80,000 fans at wembley. 😁😁


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 12, 2016, 02:09:00 PM
Would you want to be constantly reminded by your opponent that you was knocked out in front of 80,000 fans at wembley. 😁😁

Haha nice one !!  ;)



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 12, 2016, 02:20:46 PM
Would you want to be constantly reminded by your opponent that you was knocked out in front of 80,000 fans at wembley. 😁😁

And Cobrad


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 12, 2016, 02:23:38 PM
GGG has two option imo......negotiate a massive fight at 154lb with Alvarez in a bid to be a two weight champion.

Or wait for BJS who will avoid him like the plague forever.

A third option would be to try his hand at super mid but if he had doubts about that before Brook he'll certainly have ruled that out now.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 12, 2016, 02:43:54 PM
Surely Canelo could fight GGG at 160 he is a huge guy himself but he does hold the cards for the fight.

I agree he'd destroy BJS I mean he is a Frank W***** fighter so agreed it wont happen.

Degale would be an easy fight to make at SM but if he is feeling brave like Brook then he could take on Kovalev  ;D


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 12, 2016, 03:10:53 PM
GGG has two option imo......negotiate a massive fight at 154lb with Alvarez in a bid to be a two weight champion.

Or wait for BJS who will avoid him like the plague forever.

A third option would be to try his hand at super mid but if he had doubts about that before Brook he'll certainly have ruled that out now.

I think BJS will take the fight


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 12, 2016, 03:16:25 PM
Surely Canelo could fight GGG at 160 he is a huge guy himself but he does hold the cards for the fight.

I agree he'd destroy BJS I mean he is a Frank W***** fighter so agreed it wont happen.

Degale would be an easy fight to make at SM but if he is feeling brave like Brook then he could take on Kovalev  ;D

That's it...Canelo is the A side and tbf if GGG is happy to have welterweight move up he should be prepared to move down also.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on September 12, 2016, 03:50:20 PM
GGG is a middleweight, his style of fighting would not suit SM because of his size. I doubt he can make LM, he looked gaunt at the weighin against Brook. He's a middle weight. Did Kostya tszyu every stray from 140?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 12, 2016, 04:18:40 PM
I think BJS will take the fight

I'd be shocked if he did...the guy don't even wanna rematch Eubank.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 12, 2016, 04:21:22 PM
GGG is a middleweight, his style of fighting would not suit SM because of his size. I doubt he can make LM, he looked gaunt at the weighin against Brook. He's a middle weight. Did Kostya tszyu every stray from 140?

Did Kostya Tszyu talk about other weights as if he were willing to go to them?

I have no issue with any fighter staying at their own weight class but have to question them when they claim they'll move and don't.

Especially when the bigger fights are in those other divisions.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 12, 2016, 04:54:47 PM
I'd be shocked if he did...the guy don't even wanna rematch Eubank.

I don't blame him. Eubanks are messers they think they're worth more than they are, talk the talk and fight no one. BJS has publically called it on with GGG now so we'll see.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 12, 2016, 04:57:49 PM
I don't blame him. Eubanks are messers they think they're worth more than they are, talk the talk and fight no one. BJS has publically called it on with GGG now so we'll see.

£20 it doesn't happen?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 12, 2016, 05:46:39 PM
£20 it doesn't happen?

Ok. 20 quid that it gets signed before end of January.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 12, 2016, 05:56:32 PM
Ok. 20 quid that it gets signed before end of January.

Say a year just to give u a chance. So September next year bet this fight doesn't take place. Deal.  8)


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 12, 2016, 06:29:01 PM
GGG has two option imo......negotiate a massive fight at 154lb with Alvarez in a bid to be a two weight champion.

Or wait for BJS who will avoid him like the plague forever.

A third option would be to try his hand at super mid but if he had doubts about that before Brook he'll certainly have ruled that out now.

He also has Daniel Jacobs.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 12, 2016, 06:30:36 PM
He also has Daniel Jacobs.

True.

But i think GGG has that division on lock down. The only way I ever see him loosing is v Canelo or at 168lb


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: brocktonbomber on September 13, 2016, 02:33:51 AM
GGG is like Hagler in a way. You might say the other three 'Four Kings' (Duran, Hearns and Leonard) were the bigger draws, but Marvelous Marvin insisted on fighting at middleweight and waited for the other three to come up to his weight. Some might say Canelo is already a middleweight. He'd probably weigh as much as GGG on fight night. Oh well, at least Hearns and Leonard were up for the challenge and gave boxing fans a couple of historic fights. Too bad Canelo can't do the same.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 13, 2016, 03:45:24 AM
GGG is like Hagler in a way. You might say the other three 'Four Kings' (Duran, Hearns and Leonard) were the bigger draws, but Marvelous Marvin insisted on fighting at middleweight and waited for the other three to come up to his weight. Some might say Canelo is already a middleweight. He'd probably weigh as much as GGG on fight night. Oh well, at least Hearns and Leonard were up for the challenge and gave boxing fans a couple of historic fights. Too bad Canelo can't do the same.

Canelo has never fought at 160lb and GGG has never fought a 154lb. Why doesn't Golovkin make the move seeing as Canelos the only blockbuster fight out there for him.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 13, 2016, 07:26:59 AM
Canelo has never fought at 160lb and GGG has never fought a 154lb. Why doesn't Golovkin make the move seeing as Canelos the only blockbuster fight out there for him.

I think your right Tim. Whereas before canelo had the middleweight title it was up to him to defend it against other middleweights.

Assuming canelo becomes the new undisputed 154lb champ. It should be enticing for GGG to become a two weight world champ by fighting canelo at 154lb. However at the moment canelo has no world titles. So GGG may as well focus on unifying the middleweight division i.e BJS and gaining victories over Jacobs and Eubank Jnr.

For me it's difficult to put a boxer in the p4p no. 1 position if he is reluctant to step up or down the weights. Especially when they don't want to go up the weight classes though as that's where the real challenges should be.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 13, 2016, 08:00:03 AM
Canelo has had a couple of fights at middleweight I believe but Tim is correct never at 160ibs always been a catchweight which is a joke if honest i'm old fashioned I don't like catchweights you either fight at 154, 160 or 168 etc.

I can't see GGG going up to 168 as I said earlier I reckon Degale would be the easy fight to make as a fight against GGG would make more than say a fight against Jack.

I just checked BJS hasn't hada fight since he beat Andy Lee and I have no idea who he is fighting on the Tyson Fury undercard GGG will eat him for breakfast.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The_Answer on September 13, 2016, 09:13:32 AM
I still think Eubank Jr is GGG's biggest challenge at middleweight. He would have no problem throwing combo after combo at the openings Kell showed this past weekend. People may dismiss him as they don't like him or his dad but he'd be my pick to have the best chance..


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 13, 2016, 09:26:07 AM
Assuming canelo becomes the new undisputed 154lb champ. It should be enticing for GGG to become a two weight world champ by fighting canelo at 154lb. However at the moment canelo has no world titles. So GGG may as well focus on unifying the middleweight division i.e BJS and gaining victories over Jacobs and Eubank Jnr.

It's hard to see Canelo becoming undisputed at 154 unless PBC dissolves given that both the Charlo's and Lara are under that banner.  I know that Martin and Wade were allowed out to get flattened but neither of them were much cop whereas the aforementioned are all of a fairly decent standard.  There isn't a huge amount to get excited about for Canelo at 154, maybe Andrade but I imagine he's someone's mandatory.  Unfortunately it seems that it will be a case of waiting for all other options to be exhausted before the chances of this happening increase.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 13, 2016, 02:56:40 PM
It's hard to see Canelo becoming undisputed at 154 unless PBC dissolves given that both the Charlo's and Lara are under that banner.  I know that Martin and Wade were allowed out to get flattened but neither of them were much cop whereas the aforementioned are all of a fairly decent standard.  There isn't a huge amount to get excited about for Canelo at 154, maybe Andrade but I imagine he's someone's mandatory.  Unfortunately it seems that it will be a case of waiting for all other options to be exhausted before the chances of this happening increase.



There's hardly anything exciting at 154 or 160 to be fair but Canelo can sell out stadium's without even naming an opponent.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 13, 2016, 03:22:04 PM
There's hardly anything exciting at 154 or 160 to be fair but Canelo can sell out stadium's without even naming an opponent.

He couldn't sell out the T-Mobile against Khan though so he probably shouldn't count his chickens.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 13, 2016, 03:41:00 PM
He couldn't sell out the T-Mobile against Khan though so he probably shouldn't count his chickens.

Time of year would be a factor....not sure the yanks have even heard of Smith and that will sell plenty.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on September 13, 2016, 03:59:51 PM
I still think Eubank Jr is GGG's biggest challenge at middleweight. He would have no problem throwing combo after combo at the openings Kell showed this past weekend. People may dismiss him as they don't like him or his dad but he'd be my pick to have the best chance..
Agree, and if Eubank Jr is half as tough and durable as his dad was then he'll still be there in rounds 8/9. Those shots will start to take there toll in the second half of the fight. I don't think GGG will be as reckless against a natural Middle but then again he may play to the crowd.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 13, 2016, 06:13:07 PM
I still think Eubank Jr is GGG's biggest challenge at middleweight. He would have no problem throwing combo after combo at the openings Kell showed this past weekend. People may dismiss him as they don't like him or his dad but he'd be my pick to have the best chance..

Can't disagree its a fight I'd love to see


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 14, 2016, 08:27:27 AM
Think with Eubank Jr is he's well ranked but has he even beaten anyone that's good?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 14, 2016, 08:48:26 AM
His high point so far is really people being able to say he could have beaten BJS if he fought a different fight against him. 

I'm not convinced that Eubank necessarily has the power to keep GGG off him either.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 14, 2016, 09:01:08 AM
Think with Eubank Jr is he's well ranked but has he even beaten anyone that's good?

How many fighters in the middleweight division have defeated opponents that are "good" ?

BJS win over Eubank was a steal. You couldn't really say he "BEAT" him. The kid is tough and seems durable... which is what we need from a good challenger to GGG. Plus he holds a ferocious hurtful uppercut which he throws regularly almost every round. We saw from the brook fight GGG is clueless in defending that shot.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on September 14, 2016, 09:26:54 AM
How many fighters in the middleweight division have defeated opponents that are "good" ?

BJS win over Eubank was a steal. You couldn't really say he "BEAT" him. The kid is tough and seems durable... which is what we need from a good challenger to GGG. Plus he holds a ferocious hurtful uppercut which he throws regularly almost every round. We saw from the brook fight GGG is clueless in defending that shot.

I don't think it was. Saunders had done enough to beat him in the first half of the fight so took his foot off the gas. Eubank finished strong but that's because he knew he was behind. Watch most of BJS fights the all go the same way, does enough to win.

Eubank isn't even fighting European class fighters. There's no argument for him beating GGG not until he fights and beats someone that is levels above his opponents so far.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 14, 2016, 09:34:46 AM
How many fighters in the middleweight division have defeated opponents that are "good" ?

BJS win over Eubank was a steal. You couldn't really say he "BEAT" him. The kid is tough and seems durable... which is what we need from a good challenger to GGG. Plus he holds a ferocious hurtful uppercut which he throws regularly almost every round. We saw from the brook fight GGG is clueless in defending that shot.

Well let's put it this way...Eubanks last 4 opponents are all ranked outside top 35 and his next opponents is ranked 18. To be up for a GGG fight when he yet to beat anyone in top 15 is pretty laughable.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Gaz on September 14, 2016, 11:34:31 AM
How many fighters in the middleweight division have defeated opponents that are "good" ?

BJS win over Eubank was a steal. You couldn't really say he "BEAT" him. The kid is tough and seems durable... which is what we need from a good challenger to GGG. Plus he holds a ferocious hurtful uppercut which he throws regularly almost every round. We saw from the brook fight GGG is clueless in defending that shot.

Not sure I agree with that. GGG wasn't hurt by anything Brook did so gave little regard to defence. Yes I do believe he allowed himself to be hit in order to add to the drama of the fight if he was being hit regularly and still just moving forward enticing more pressure as he obviously wasn't threatened by anything Brook threw at him.

Contrast that to the Lemieux (a heavy handed proper middleweight) fight where GGG basically dominated him with the jab and had the good sense to revert back to the jab when he did get caught with something that caught his attention. Tactically he was brilliant that night, as he has been in basically every fight in his career. His amateur record is stunning, so I find it hard to believe that there is a single shot that he is 'clueless' in dealing with especially if that shot carries enough mustard to damage him. Eubank's uppercuts are spiteful, but also obvious in how he lunges in with them. I find it impossible to believe with his experience that GGG would not be able to negate that threat comfortably.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 14, 2016, 12:19:59 PM
I though GGG was buzzed a couple of times tbh and went into an Abraham shell as a result...I think a bigger puncher can get to the guy...Alvarez or one of the super mids may be that person.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: ScottMillwall on September 14, 2016, 12:26:55 PM
http://instantboxing.com/turley-on-tuesday-brave-brook-doesnt-excuse-mad-match-up-or-media-morass/ (http://instantboxing.com/turley-on-tuesday-brave-brook-doesnt-excuse-mad-match-up-or-media-morass/)

The gibberish reached fever pitch in the final days of last week, as everyone with a Sheffield accent or a contract with Sky went hysterically through the looking glass. We had been told for weeks that Kell Brook was a big welter and would outweigh Golovkin on the night. Then as fight-night drew near and the lust for PPV sales heightened, this became accompanied by a swirling vortex of utter, cynical nonsense.

Suddenly Golovkin was ill. Golovkin looked afraid in the stare-down. Golovkin wouldn’t be comfortable with a raucous atmosphere. Brook meanwhile was in the shape of his life and so, so relaxed at middleweight. He would have speed and power and movement. The spirits of Emile Griffith and Sugar Ray Leonard were invoked. Head of Sky boxing, Adam Smith, even had the temerity to roll out the line Bernard Hopkins and Oscar De la Hoya used for Amir Khan’s equally ill-advised tilt at Canelo Alvarez. Brook, apparently, was “daring to be great.”

Ok guys, ok.

Never mind that many of these payrolled pundits were blatantly contradicting public statements they had made previously. Johnny Nelson, for example, had waxed lyrical about GGG after he dismantled David Lemieux in October last year, saying how he was too strong for the middleweight division and should move up to 167 to find a worthy challenge. Yet with his corporate hat on, he was now telling us that someone who had boxed his whole career at 147 could beat him.

Paulie Malignaggi, as I mentioned last week, was one of the first to condemn this match-up when Eddie Hearn first signed it. He joined a chorus of outrage on Twitter by wondering how long it would be before such mismatches result in serious, life-changing injury. Yet facing cameras, with a Sky microphone in his hand and the slightly sinister Mr. Smith beside him, he was suddenly saying the total opposite.

By far the best display of tortured logic came from Carl ‘the cobra’ Froch, one of the more recent additions to the Sky panel, who was interviewed on the The Warm Up show on Talksport on Saturday morning. When the presenter asked him if Brook could beat Golovkin, he went to great lengths to explain how the jump from welter to middle was not that great, that Brook would take to it readily and his chances were good. Yet when he was asked if Golovkin could have beaten him he said, “there are weight classes in boxing for a reason. I was a super-middle and would have been too big and strong for him.” Clang! One personalised question was all it had taken for Froch to wander off message and lose the party line.

Tut-tut – you don’t get your contract renewed like that, Carl.

During four and a half exciting rounds on the night, Brook did better than many expected, even forcing Golovkin onto the back foot at times. One thing he proved beyond doubt is that he has an excellent chin. Triple G hit him with shots that have crumpled middleweights and Kell held his feet. All those plaudits for bravery are greatly deserved.

Beyond that, the facts, however, remain stark. Brook was hurt in round one, under increasing pressure as the fight went on and simply unable to contain the bigger man. Yes, he had bursts of success for which he can be commended, particularly in round two, but by the time he was withdrawn in the fifth, backpedalling desperately, he was really starting to ship major punishment and the evening was on the cusp of turning tragic. Bravo Dominic Ingle, but taken as a whole this was simply not a contest.

Despite his speed and defensive skill, which unsettled Golovkin to some extent and caused the Kazakh to look more ragged than usual, Brook was unable to get GGG’s respect. From a very early stage the middleweight number one gave up trying to box Brook, preferring to walk through him and hammer him. After all, when a wasp is buzzing around trying to sting you, you don’t buzz back, you just squash it with something heavy.

To criticise Golovkin for this blunt force approach, which some respected figures have done (attempting to atone for their wild pre-fight blather) is to miss the point. As a smaller man, Brook had the edge on speed and sharpness. Once that became clear, there was no point in GGG fighting on those terms – you don’t play to your opponent’s strengths, so he just old-manned him instead. In many ways it was reminiscent of the Khan / Alvarez fight, where Amir had some successes in the first three rounds before the size and power of his opponent became too much. In that way, it followed the pattern most honest analysts had expected.

I am sure if we see Golovkin in with Daniel Jacobs, Billy Joe Saunders or even Chris Eubank Jr in the near future, the patient, balanced and accurate GGG will return. Yes, he looked sloppy by his standards, but he still won by 5th round stoppage. Not bad for a guy who was supposed to be ill, scared at the weigh-in and daunted by 20,000 beery Brits singing ‘Sweet Caroline’ by Neil Diamond.

So, Kell Brook gets to go home with a broken eye socket, a story to tell his grandchildren and about £3.5 million. Where does he go from here? Nowhere other than hospital for at least six months, but he can then return to a weight division more suited to his physique, where he has a chance of being competitive. If healing permits his re-emergence at light-middle there are some exciting fights for him there, provided his promoter can make them. His gutsy showing on Saturday, under heavy Kazakh fire, will ensure he has the good will of the public.

Speaking of the public, whoever they are, it must be asked for how much longer they can allow themselves to be conned like this? They should not be paying extra fees on top of their subscriptions to watch Anthony Joshua v handpicked B listers or world champions bullying men much smaller than them. And yet they are. And they keep doing it.

Anyone who loves boxing should be outraged, demanding better. We know there are politics, egos and yachts to be paid for, but come on… is it too much to ask for some real, competitive title fights, between high-profile men in the same division? Fights where you don’t know who is going to win with about 95% certainty before they happen?

Perhaps that is a question for the pundits.


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The bit about Froch is brilliant.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Socrates on September 14, 2016, 12:37:18 PM
His high point so far is really people being able to say he could have beaten BJS if he fought a different fight against him. 

I'm not convinced that Eubank necessarily has the power to keep GGG off him either.

Best poster on here is The Hurricane.

Consistently excellent comments.

No Homo.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: jaff_no1 on September 14, 2016, 01:24:25 PM
Good article there. I still don't see how the judges had Brook up at the end of round 4. A draw would have been more the dubious IMO. Not saying he didn't do as well as anyone else against GGG but just because he was brave doesn't earn him a round. If Brook stayed at middle, based on Saturday night, how do people think he would fair bar GGG?


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on September 14, 2016, 01:33:00 PM

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Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: legs on September 14, 2016, 01:55:38 PM
Good article there. I still don't see how the judges had Brook up at the end of round 4. A draw would have been more the dubious IMO. Not saying he didn't do as well as anyone else against GGG but just because he was brave doesn't earn him a round. If Brook stayed at middle, based on Saturday night, how do people think he would fair bar GGG?

Brook surprised me with how tough he was in standing up to some shots he took and he definately stunned GGG with a few shots as well I do believe GGG was in the mindset of i'm willing to take 2 punches to land 2 or 3 of my own and in the second half of the fight he'd have took over.

In middleweight terms its hard to say for certain how he'd do Jaff I guess you mean against top ten fighters I think he was bang up for the fight saturday & he knew he was going to get hurt he admitted that before the fight which probably helped him in some ways.

I'd guess he wouldn't beat many in the top ten as he might turn into Hatton and think if I can take 5 rounds of GGG I can take anyone elses punches.

His future is at 154ibs & he could do well at that weight he obviously carries good power, is fairly quick & I am now convinced he doesn't have a Khan chin !


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 14, 2016, 10:33:45 PM
If GGG deliberately allowed brook to land huge uppercuts marking up his face.  Why have his guard up in the first place ? In fact why have a guard up at all ?

Kell brook is a professional boxer who came in at 160lbs on fight night.  There is no way GGG is dumb enough to allow his opponent to land clean to create drama. GGG was getting desperate... the urgency in his work showed it as he came out fresh at the beginning of each round. He wanted a street fight... Cus he had doubts about succeeding through boxing skills against brook.

His air of invincibility is a smoke screen... borne from is reliance on his superior punching power. He knows once he moves up... this advantage will no longer be as potent and he will have to win by boxing talent. Which is when he will meet his match.

GGG is excellent but he isn't the best boxer in the world by any stretch.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 15, 2016, 12:35:23 AM
If GGG deliberately allowed brook to land huge uppercuts marking up his face.  Why have his guard up in the first place ? In fact why have a guard up at all ?

Kell brook is a professional boxer who came in at 160lbs on fight night.  There is no way GGG is dumb enough to allow his opponent to land clean to create drama. GGG was getting desperate... the urgency in his work showed it as he came out fresh at the beginning of each round. He wanted a street fight... Cus he had doubts about succeeding through boxing skills against brook.

His air of invincibility is a smoke screen... borne from is reliance on his superior punching power. He knows once he moves up... this advantage will no longer be as potent and he will have to win by boxing talent. Which is when he will meet his match.

GGG is excellent but he isn't the best boxer in the world by any stretch.

I've had this impression for some time, always question any boxer that seems to be happy fighting relatively easy opposition rather then taking risks for bigger fights/pay days.

I honestly believe that Golovkin has his own doubts.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: bigbibbs on September 15, 2016, 12:45:51 PM
I suppose talking BS to the paying public is something you have to do to earn money from the corperations of the world.  Probably why i will always be skint but true.
But like a fool i very often get caught up in the hoopla and beleive it - but no this time i watched it next day on youtube.


[url]http://instantboxing.com/turley-on-tuesday-brave-brook-doesnt-excuse-mad-match-up-or-media-morass/[/url] ([url]http://instantboxing.com/turley-on-tuesday-brave-brook-doesnt-excuse-mad-match-up-or-media-morass/[/url])

The gibberish reached fever pitch in the final days of last week, as everyone with a Sheffield accent or a contract with Sky went hysterically through the looking glass. We had been told for weeks that Kell Brook was a big welter and would outweigh Golovkin on the night. Then as fight-night drew near and the lust for PPV sales heightened, this became accompanied by a swirling vortex of utter, cynical nonsense.

Suddenly Golovkin was ill. Golovkin looked afraid in the stare-down. Golovkin wouldn’t be comfortable with a raucous atmosphere. Brook meanwhile was in the shape of his life and so, so relaxed at middleweight. He would have speed and power and movement. The spirits of Emile Griffith and Sugar Ray Leonard were invoked. Head of Sky boxing, Adam Smith, even had the temerity to roll out the line Bernard Hopkins and Oscar De la Hoya used for Amir Khan’s equally ill-advised tilt at Canelo Alvarez. Brook, apparently, was “daring to be great.”

Ok guys, ok.

Never mind that many of these payrolled pundits were blatantly contradicting public statements they had made previously. Johnny Nelson, for example, had waxed lyrical about GGG after he dismantled David Lemieux in October last year, saying how he was too strong for the middleweight division and should move up to 167 to find a worthy challenge. Yet with his corporate hat on, he was now telling us that someone who had boxed his whole career at 147 could beat him.

Paulie Malignaggi, as I mentioned last week, was one of the first to condemn this match-up when Eddie Hearn first signed it. He joined a chorus of outrage on Twitter by wondering how long it would be before such mismatches result in serious, life-changing injury. Yet facing cameras, with a Sky microphone in his hand and the slightly sinister Mr. Smith beside him, he was suddenly saying the total opposite.

By far the best display of tortured logic came from Carl ‘the cobra’ Froch, one of the more recent additions to the Sky panel, who was interviewed on the The Warm Up show on Talksport on Saturday morning. When the presenter asked him if Brook could beat Golovkin, he went to great lengths to explain how the jump from welter to middle was not that great, that Brook would take to it readily and his chances were good. Yet when he was asked if Golovkin could have beaten him he said, “there are weight classes in boxing for a reason. I was a super-middle and would have been too big and strong for him.” Clang! One personalised question was all it had taken for Froch to wander off message and lose the party line.

Tut-tut – you don’t get your contract renewed like that, Carl.

During four and a half exciting rounds on the night, Brook did better than many expected, even forcing Golovkin onto the back foot at times. One thing he proved beyond doubt is that he has an excellent chin. Triple G hit him with shots that have crumpled middleweights and Kell held his feet. All those plaudits for bravery are greatly deserved.

Beyond that, the facts, however, remain stark. Brook was hurt in round one, under increasing pressure as the fight went on and simply unable to contain the bigger man. Yes, he had bursts of success for which he can be commended, particularly in round two, but by the time he was withdrawn in the fifth, backpedalling desperately, he was really starting to ship major punishment and the evening was on the cusp of turning tragic. Bravo Dominic Ingle, but taken as a whole this was simply not a contest.

Despite his speed and defensive skill, which unsettled Golovkin to some extent and caused the Kazakh to look more ragged than usual, Brook was unable to get GGG’s respect. From a very early stage the middleweight number one gave up trying to box Brook, preferring to walk through him and hammer him. After all, when a wasp is buzzing around trying to sting you, you don’t buzz back, you just squash it with something heavy.

To criticise Golovkin for this blunt force approach, which some respected figures have done (attempting to atone for their wild pre-fight blather) is to miss the point. As a smaller man, Brook had the edge on speed and sharpness. Once that became clear, there was no point in GGG fighting on those terms – you don’t play to your opponent’s strengths, so he just old-manned him instead. In many ways it was reminiscent of the Khan / Alvarez fight, where Amir had some successes in the first three rounds before the size and power of his opponent became too much. In that way, it followed the pattern most honest analysts had expected.

I am sure if we see Golovkin in with Daniel Jacobs, Billy Joe Saunders or even Chris Eubank Jr in the near future, the patient, balanced and accurate GGG will return. Yes, he looked sloppy by his standards, but he still won by 5th round stoppage. Not bad for a guy who was supposed to be ill, scared at the weigh-in and daunted by 20,000 beery Brits singing ‘Sweet Caroline’ by Neil Diamond.

So, Kell Brook gets to go home with a broken eye socket, a story to tell his grandchildren and about £3.5 million. Where does he go from here? Nowhere other than hospital for at least six months, but he can then return to a weight division more suited to his physique, where he has a chance of being competitive. If healing permits his re-emergence at light-middle there are some exciting fights for him there, provided his promoter can make them. His gutsy showing on Saturday, under heavy Kazakh fire, will ensure he has the good will of the public.

Speaking of the public, whoever they are, it must be asked for how much longer they can allow themselves to be conned like this? They should not be paying extra fees on top of their subscriptions to watch Anthony Joshua v handpicked B listers or world champions bullying men much smaller than them. And yet they are. And they keep doing it.

Anyone who loves boxing should be outraged, demanding better. We know there are politics, egos and yachts to be paid for, but come on… is it too much to ask for some real, competitive title fights, between high-profile men in the same division? Fights where you don’t know who is going to win with about 95% certainty before they happen?

Perhaps that is a question for the pundits.


------


The bit about Froch is brilliant.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tuco on September 15, 2016, 06:29:03 PM
If GGG deliberately allowed brook to land huge uppercuts marking up his face.  Why have his guard up in the first place ? In fact why have a guard up at all ?

Kell brook is a professional boxer who came in at 160lbs on fight night.  There is no way GGG is dumb enough to allow his opponent to land clean to create drama. GGG was getting desperate... the urgency in his work showed it as he came out fresh at the beginning of each round. He wanted a street fight... Cus he had doubts about succeeding through boxing skills against brook.

His air of invincibility is a smoke screen... borne from is reliance on his superior punching power. He knows once he moves up... this advantage will no longer be as potent and he will have to win by boxing talent. Which is when he will meet his match.

GGG is excellent but he isn't the best boxer in the world by any stretch.

GGG fights like a Mexican. He can box a bit but loves a tear up. What we saw last week, it was akin to Morales going to war and just not really giving a F*ck as long as it entertains the crowd. GGG struggles with slick fighters, (like most great Mexicans do). When he does move up he'll be stepping up in class and will probably struggle. He's a middleweight not a SM.

I disagree that GGG was getting deperate...... In round 4 & 5? I didn't see a desperate man in there, I just saw a guy that wanted to whoop ass and was willing to eat shots in order to get off his own. Brook seemed like an irritation, nothing more. I don't think GGG was expecting to get caught like that, he didn't seem to give a shit either way. He knew the fight would end early and it did. It was a case of how much resistance would Brook provide and too his credit, quite a bit. The writing was on the wall in the first round, lets be honest. An yes.....that was a knock down in the 3rd.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 15, 2016, 06:56:32 PM
The writing was on the wall the second the fight was announced.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: brocktonbomber on September 16, 2016, 05:31:31 AM
Canelo has never fought at 160lb and GGG has never fought a 154lb. Why doesn't Golovkin make the move seeing as Canelos the only blockbuster fight out there for him.
Golovkin clearly doesn't want to make the move. My point was that he's doing the exact same thing Hagler did. Insisting on fighting at middleweight and waiting for the big fights to come up to him.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 16, 2016, 10:20:15 AM
Golovkin clearly doesn't want to make the move. My point was that he's doing the exact same thing Hagler did. Insisting on fighting at middleweight and waiting for the big fights to come up to him.

Thing is bar Canelo i wouldn't want to see anyone else move up to middleweight to fight GGG.

To me Golovkin has the power to put away super mids and that's a major obstacle for anyone that moves up to middleweight to over come.

The test for GGG is at super mid because although the division isn't full of blockbuster fighters it's still a massive leap from the poor opposition at middleweight. Groves v GGG would be a decent scrap imo.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 16, 2016, 10:44:02 AM
Someone at 168 really needs to do something to generate some real interest in GGG making a move there if the Canelo fight doesn't happen.  There might be a chance of it if the DeGale v Jack fight is of a good standard but that might be an ask with Jack having been just nicking decisions for what seems like ages and DeGale seemingly can never fully stamp his authority on a fight.  Ramirez could be the man to put some life back in the division but he'll need to do more than just doing to Abraham what Froch did six years ago to achieve that.

Right now, for me, GGG v Jacobs or Saunders is as good a fight as anyone at 168.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on September 16, 2016, 10:49:00 AM
If GGG deliberately allowed brook to land huge uppercuts marking up his face.  Why have his guard up in the first place ? In fact why have a guard up at all ?

Kell brook is a professional boxer who came in at 160lbs on fight night.  There is no way GGG is dumb enough to allow his opponent to land clean to create drama. GGG was getting desperate... the urgency in his work showed it as he came out fresh at the beginning of each round. He wanted a street fight... Cus he had doubts about succeeding through boxing skills against brook.

His air of invincibility is a smoke screen... borne from is reliance on his superior punching power. He knows once he moves up... this advantage will no longer be as potent and he will have to win by boxing talent. Which is when he will meet his match.

GGG is excellent but he isn't the best boxer in the world by any stretch.

I think kell was actually 168 on the night.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 16, 2016, 11:50:33 AM
Someone at 168 really needs to do something to generate some real interest in GGG making a move there if the Canelo fight doesn't happen.  There might be a chance of it if the DeGale v Jack fight is of a good standard but that might be an ask with Jack having been just nicking decisions for what seems like ages and DeGale seemingly can never fully stamp his authority on a fight.  Ramirez could be the man to put some life back in the division but he'll need to do more than just doing to Abraham what Froch did six years ago to achieve that.

Right now, for me, GGG v Jacobs or Saunders is as good a fight as anyone at 168.

Those fights are ok but you'd bet your house on GGG winning them. At least with a fight at super mid we will be curious as to how GGG handles the extra weight, size and power that he will face at super mid.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 16, 2016, 12:24:15 PM
Those fights are ok but you'd bet your house on GGG winning them. At least with a fight at super mid we will be curious as to how GGG handles the extra weight, size and power that he will face at super mid.

For me, as things stand, that curiosity is negligible verging on the non-existent.  He could beat Abraham 120-108 and it would tell us nothing.  There's no one at 168 who would seem to hit harder than Lemieux or Stevens, be tougher than Murray or have better movement than Munroe Jr or any combination thereof.

If and when someone puts in the sort of performance that makes me think I'm watching a very good Super-Middleweight then I'll be interested.  Like I said, the winner of DeGale v Jack could do that but their most recent fights make me think that one is asking to be scored mildly interesting draw. 


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 16, 2016, 12:52:37 PM
For me, as things stand, that curiosity is negligible verging on the non-existent.  He could beat Abraham 120-108 and it would tell us nothing.  There's no one at 168 who would seem to hit harder than Lemieux or Stevens, be tougher than Murray or have better movement than Munroe Jr or any combination thereof.

If and when someone puts in the sort of performance that makes me think I'm watching a very good Super-Middleweight then I'll be interested.  Like I said, the winner of DeGale v Jack could do that but their most recent fights make me think that one is asking to be scored mildly interesting draw. 

Disagree, you talk about being tougher then Murray(arguably Golovkins biggest test to date) yet he's just been slapped around by Groves. I think most super mids hit harder then Lemieux and let's be honest it's not like Lemieux has been knocking out anyone that's renowned for having a tough chin.

Middleweight division is extremely poor...so much that it's makes the pretty poor super mid division look good.

All that aside its Golovkins u turn on super mid that leaves me with the impression that he himself believes it's a much more difficult task then the likes of Saunders.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 16, 2016, 12:56:26 PM
I think kell was actually 168 on the night.

Whoa... really.  Jeez. GGG is one tough cookie. I think your only going to beat this guy by outpointing and out boxing. Your not going to blast him out.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 16, 2016, 01:11:14 PM
Whoa... really.  Jeez. GGG is one tough cookie. I think your only going to beat this guy by outpointing and out boxing. Your not going to blast him out.

Kell could have weighed in at 190lb but the his problem was he had zero experience at that weight and against that kind of power. He was always going to get hurt.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Scarface on September 16, 2016, 01:29:00 PM
Kell could have weighed in at 190lb but the his problem was he had zero experience at that weight and against that kind of power. He was always going to get hurt.

Yea i get that.  I was alluding to the fact that brook put that weight on through muscle mass not fat. He didn't look flabby.  Those uppercuts would have KTFO of most WW I'm sure. Though GGG absorbed them flush.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 16, 2016, 01:30:04 PM
Disagree, you talk about being tougher then Murray(arguably Golovkins biggest test to date) yet he's just been slapped around by Groves. I think most super mids hit harder then Lemieux and let's be honest it's not like Lemieux has been knocking out anyone that's renowned for having a tough chin.

Middleweight division is extremely poor...so much that it's makes the pretty poor super mid division look good.

All that aside its Golovkins u turn on super mid that leaves me with the impression that he himself believes it's a much more difficult task then the likes of Saunders.

Murray was just a shell against Groves, whatever he used to have had left him before that night.  I'd fancy that there's not much in it regarding the power factor.  It seems to me that nearly all the world title fights have gone to decision in the last few years.  If he goes up I want to see him hit by someone with Kessler's sort of power not someone who might carry a tiny drop more than the middleweight average due to the fact they weigh a bit more on the scales.

Neither division is overflowing with talent but it's ridiculous to make out that 168 is appreciably better when there's a decent argument for it being worse.

No one has done anything to make it look like they'd warrant more caution than Saunders or Jacobs would and it's not like the stories come out of sparring that he's been on the wrong end of it against the likes of Groves or even Kovalev.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 16, 2016, 02:17:08 PM
Murray was just a shell against Groves, whatever he used to have had left him before that night.  I'd fancy that there's not much in it regarding the power factor.  It seems to me that nearly all the world title fights have gone to decision in the last few years.  If he goes up I want to see him hit by someone with Kessler's sort of power not someone who might carry a tiny drop more than the middleweight average due to the fact they weigh a bit more on the scales.

Neither division is overflowing with talent but it's ridiculous to make out that 168 is appreciably better when there's a decent argument for it being worse.

No one has done anything to make it look like they'd warrant more caution than Saunders or Jacobs would and it's not like the stories come out of sparring that he's been on the wrong end of it against the likes of Groves or even Kovalev.

Saw that Murray comment coming a mile off....conveniently he was at his peek v GGG but just a shell v Groves  ;D

The extra pop at super mid would be a factor v GGG but also the reach that those guys have...I mentioned few days back about Golovkin adoption the Abraham style guard when Brook started to drop combos on him...a super mid with decent reach and bit of pop will tear him up if he were to try that.

Sparring means nothing tbf and there were once rumours that he'd struggled v Groves.

Bottom line is if I had to bet my life on Saunders/Jacobs beating GGG at 160lbs or one of the better super mids beating GGG at 168lbs I wouldn't even have to think about it. Super mid is the biggest test for GGG and therefore the most exciting option.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 16, 2016, 02:47:02 PM
In fairness, GGG had beaten the life out of Murray by the time Groves got his hands on him a few fights further down the line.

I think Groves himself said that he held his own one time and got a broken rib another.  I don't recall anything about GGG struggling.  Of course it is only sparring but it's not like things have come out that would indicate a need for GGG to have real concerns.

Right now your life would look equally safe.  There's still time for someone to make a move at 168 and make a real claim to being a top level fighter given that I imagine at least lip service will be paid to the September 2017 date for GGG v Canelo if nothing else.  Hopefully the likes of Smith or Ramirez can make a mark and liven up the division.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 16, 2016, 02:58:38 PM
In fairness, GGG had beaten the life out of Murray by the time Groves got his hands on him a few fights further down the line.

I think Groves himself said that he held his own one time and got a broken rib another.  I don't recall anything about GGG struggling.  Of course it is only sparring but it's not like things have come out that would indicate a need for GGG to have real concerns.

Right now your life would look equally safe.  There's still time for someone to make a move at 168 and make a real claim to being a top level fighter given that I imagine at least lip service will be paid to the September 2017 date for GGG v Canelo if nothing else.  Hopefully the likes of Smith or Ramirez can make a mark and liven up the division.

Or perhaps Murray couldn't handle the jump to super mid  ;)

To me it seems like GGG has some real concerns though...hence why he's waiting for fighters to come to him. If he were to move to super mid he could force the fights but instead he's waiting for match ups at middleweight that imo will not happen.

Don't think Equally safe if accurate....that's pretty much stating that GGG has just as much to worry about at middleweight(zero imo) as he does at super mid....I disagree with that. A guy like Smith or Groves has a much bigger chance of holting GGG then BJS or Jacobs.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The Hurricane on September 16, 2016, 03:15:44 PM
That's a possibility given that he couldn't handle the jump from normal Middleweights to GGG either  ;D

A move to 168 would only make an Alvarez fight an impossibility if GGG went up and starched a champion.  At least as things stand, there's a chance all the talk becomes a reality.


Theoretically that's probably right but it doesn't equate to them having a better chance of winning than Saunders or Jacobs.  I'd say Saunders has the best chance of out boxing him.  It's still too hard to say anything with much certainty about Smith as he hasn't fought anyone fringe world level yet.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on September 16, 2016, 04:19:09 PM
I think Kell at 168 on the night was a bit of a water baby. He looks the bizz, with his big full muscle bellies and looks the part.

Proper natural tendon strength though?... not so sure about that one.

Tito Trinidad for example, he couldn't even bench press 1 plate aside - but he'd knock down a wall if he caught you properly.

It's hard to define unless you've felt their punches, because power comes in different flavours. And Kell's weren't meaty enough at middle.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on September 16, 2016, 04:39:07 PM
That's a possibility given that he couldn't handle the jump from normal Middleweights to GGG either  ;D

A move to 168 would only make an Alvarez fight an impossibility if GGG went up and starched a champion.  At least as things stand, there's a chance all the talk becomes a reality.


Theoretically that's probably right but it doesn't equate to them having a better chance of winning than Saunders or Jacobs.  I'd say Saunders has the best chance of out boxing him.  It's still too hard to say anything with much certainty about Smith as he hasn't fought anyone fringe world level yet.

Saunders isn't even going to take the fight let alone out box the guy. I'd be more confident in Smith beating GGG then any middleweight.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: The_Answer on September 16, 2016, 06:51:51 PM
If Saunders is Golovkins biggest challenge then GGG should go ahead and retire.. Saunders was lucky to scrape a win over Andy Lee and is rightly avoiding both Golovkin and a Eubank Jr rematch like the plague.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on October 13, 2016, 02:36:22 PM
Ok. 20 quid that it gets signed before end of January.

Saunders just pulled out of his next fight....think we should of bet on IF he fights within a year rather then who he fights.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on October 13, 2016, 03:34:13 PM
Saunders just pulled out of his next fight....think we should of bet on IF he fights within a year rather then who he fights.

Seriously??


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on October 13, 2016, 04:04:32 PM
Seriously??


http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10615680/billy-joe-saunders-postpones-artur-akavov-fight (http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10615680/billy-joe-saunders-postpones-artur-akavov-fight)

Billy Joe Sick Note.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Driscoll on October 13, 2016, 06:12:12 PM
[url]http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10615680/billy-joe-saunders-postpones-artur-akavov-fight[/url] ([url]http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10615680/billy-joe-saunders-postpones-artur-akavov-fight[/url])

Billy Joe Sick Note.


Both the main 2 fights fell apart at the same time. Sounds like it could be Franks doing.


Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Tim2366 on October 13, 2016, 06:33:49 PM
Both the main 2 fights fell apart at the same time. Sounds like it could be Franks doing.

Could definitely be the case with Frank.



Title: Re: GGG Vs Kell Brook
Post by: Red on October 14, 2016, 08:03:03 AM
Liam Williams also withdrew from training injury. Card rescheduled for later in year.