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Title: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Laney on August 30, 2017, 06:14:05 AM
Now that the circus is out the way, we all have this to look forward too.

Intrigued to see who everyone is going to go for.

I was always in favour of GGG by late stoppage or points, but GGG decline in his last few outings coupled with the youth and style of Canelo (and the fact he is the draw) mean I am now edging towards Canelo on points.



Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Red on August 30, 2017, 07:11:37 AM
Considering they're both hitters, I fancy this will be a points decision.

I'm more confident in Canelo than I was a couple of years ago. GGG doesn't seem as youthful but he still might be good enough to win.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Scarface on August 30, 2017, 09:31:36 AM
I'm going for two scenarios in no particular order.

1) Canelo win by point's... (Judges love Canelo especially when he is being outboxed - khan/Mayweather).

2) GGG win by stoppage. (This is what i hope will be the outcome)


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on August 30, 2017, 09:48:40 AM
Canelo hits like a truck ad Golovkin blocks with his face. Only one outcome. Should have stuck to fighting European level.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: legs on August 30, 2017, 09:50:56 AM
i'm in agreement with all of you on this.

I think Canelo might be getting GGG at a good time if it goes to points i'm pretty sure he is going to get the decision regardless.

I hope GGG wins this fight I was very confident 18 months ago but now i'm not so confident its great for boxing as it is a 50/50 fight and it is the number 1 & 2 middleweights fighting each other.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: The Hurricane on August 30, 2017, 10:13:10 AM
Canelo hits like a truck ad Golovkin blocks with his face. Only one outcome. Should have stuck to fighting European level.

Can currently get 10/1 on a Canelo KO/TKO on Sky Bet (9/1 with the DQ also).


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on August 30, 2017, 10:21:48 AM
Can currently get 10/1 on a Canelo KO/TKO on Sky Bet (9/1 with the DQ also).

I seen the same at 8/1 on Ladbrokes....pretty surprised with those odds. Think Canelo will find his range and then throw some real leather once he notices how easy Golovkin is to hit.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: The Hurricane on August 30, 2017, 10:29:20 AM
I seen the same at 8/1 on Ladbrokes....pretty surprised with those odds. Think Canelo will find his range and then throw some real leather once he notices how easy Golovkin is to hit.

It does make me interested at that price.  I know that there was the precedent with Andrade when Froch fought Bute but the same price was being offered there and Canelo has always looked solid enough to be able to afford to go looking for GGG.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on August 30, 2017, 10:35:41 AM
It does make me interested at that price.  I know that there was the precedent with Andrade when Froch fought Bute but the same price was being offered there and Canelo has always looked solid enough to be able to afford to go looking for GGG.

Only thing that put me of is the Lemieux fight where Golovkin looked pretty elusive. Maybe he does have a second gear when it comes to the harder hitters. If he's half as open as he was v Brook he'll lose his head.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Laney on August 30, 2017, 10:53:24 AM
I think im going to back the Canelo win at 6/4 and then have circa 20% of the stake on at the 9/1 price too...

Just cant get away from the feeling that Canelo is taking this on his terms when its right for him.

And just cant see GGG getting the decision if it goes that far.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: The Hurricane on August 30, 2017, 10:53:59 AM
He was certainly much more circumspect against Lemieux, although I'd say Canelo is a much more nuanced fighter coming forward.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: TC on August 30, 2017, 01:55:41 PM
I feel like GGG has been in second gear for the last couple of years. This is the first fight he's had in ages that will genuinely motivate him and I'm confident he'll outclass Alvarez. I can see it actually being quite cagey fight as I think GGG will respect Canelo's power, but he'll wear ginger bollocks out later in the fight and run out a comfortable winner on everyone's cards apart from the judges.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: GOD on August 30, 2017, 03:03:35 PM
Now that the circus is out the way, we all have this to look forward too.

Intrigued to see who everyone is going to go for.

I was always in favour of GGG by late stoppage or points, but GGG decline in his last few outings coupled with the youth and style of Canelo (and the fact he is the draw) mean I am now edging towards Canelo on points.



Great post and poll Laney...honest truth is I haven't made my mind up yet, but will poll and give my thoughts before the fight, that's for sure!!!


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on August 30, 2017, 05:14:45 PM
GGG is there for the taking and I believe Canelo will stop him late on. I believe Canelo will force the pace will find angles and will also find GGG very easy to hit. Canelo has really filled out into the weight. The only way I see a GGG win is if Canelo gets careless on the way in and walks onto a massive shot.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: jimjack on August 30, 2017, 05:56:29 PM
Close fight with GGG getting the decision thanks to a couple of knock downs.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Faulks on August 30, 2017, 06:18:15 PM
GGG will get found out . Can't fight shit all your career .

Bar spence he's untested


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Gaz on August 30, 2017, 07:33:09 PM
I've a sneaky feeling for Canelo late in this fight. Great odds for it too considering it's pretty much seen as a 50/50 fight.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: GOD on August 30, 2017, 08:40:58 PM
GGG will get found out . Can't fight shit all your career .

Bar spence he's untested

Brook?


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: wbamitch on August 30, 2017, 09:50:23 PM
Great post and poll Laney...honest truth is I haven't made my mind up yet, but will poll and give my thoughts before the fight, that's for sure!!!

Yeah same for me, I'm leaning to Canelo at the moment, got to see that GGG vs Jacobs fight again.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on August 30, 2017, 11:00:05 PM
GGG will get found out . Can't fight shit all your career .

Bar spence he's untested

this.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: AndyE on August 30, 2017, 11:10:05 PM
First round: Both fighters get off to a cagey start, both will attempt to press the action but will hesitate to throw more than their jabs. GGG will attempt to end the round strong and get caught but with nothing significant.

From then on I see GGG continuously trying to close the gap but getting caught by Canelo, there will be a few moments where GGG will break through but Canelo will remain strong with his jab and counter punches.

As the fight progresses GGG will continue to become frustrated and get caught with too many shots. Leading to a decisive Canelo victory on points.

Or I could just be chatting shit.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: CelticHiggo on August 31, 2017, 07:53:45 AM
Ive gone for Canelo Decision.GGG wont be able to walk him down like the other apponents hes faced.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Faulks on August 31, 2017, 08:51:47 AM
Brook?

I hope this is a joke? Should never of been in the ring together due to the weight


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: The Hurricane on August 31, 2017, 08:58:05 AM
I hope this is a joke? Should never of been in the ring together due to the weight

He was wondering who you meant as GGG hasn't fought Spence.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on August 31, 2017, 09:12:54 AM
He was wondering who you meant as GGG hasn't fought Spence.

He meant Jacobs...as they look the same  :-X


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tuco on August 31, 2017, 09:25:30 AM
He meant Jacobs...as they look the same  :-X
;D


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Faulks on September 01, 2017, 12:27:21 PM
He was wondering who you meant as GGG hasn't fought Spence.

Yeah apologies fast fingers slow mind..

 ;D


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: bigbibbs on September 02, 2017, 08:03:08 AM
I think like I have said on other posts that GGG is coming alive this fight.
This is at last his acid test. He has a very good chance of being beaten. That brings the best out of him I don't think we will see the same face forward slugging. He can't be patient as canelo will start to run away on points.
But I think he will force the pace, intelligent pressure and hit home going had and body.
On the other hand he may do the unexpected and box canelo like mayweather did.
Either way I think he wins in dramatic fashion.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: dmp on September 03, 2017, 07:47:46 PM
Yeah apologies fast fingers slow mind..

 ;D


just like my mrs 


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: ashishwarrior on September 16, 2017, 12:04:09 PM
Ggg stoppage between 9-11 rounds imo


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 16, 2017, 12:16:41 PM
I think like I have said on other posts that GGG is coming alive this fight.
This is at last his acid test. He has a very good chance of being beaten. That brings the best out of him I don't think we will see the same face forward slugging. He can't be patient as canelo will start to run away on points.
But I think he will force the pace, intelligent pressure and hit home going had and body.
On the other hand he may do the unexpected and box canelo like mayweather did.
Either way I think he wins in dramatic fashion.

I have watched a lot of GGG over the years and the above is fine but I don't think he has that sort of ability at elite level. The peak years of his career he fought no one whilst the best avoided him. I always believe in his defence you can only beat who is put in front of you and in most cases he has done that in style. However at 35 I just believe it is now Canelos times who will win fairly comfortable.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Faulks on September 16, 2017, 05:47:07 PM
Ginger round 9 K/o

20 55/1

Lobbed 20 on

Adams
Bjs
Smith
Ginge



Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: wbamitch on September 16, 2017, 07:54:54 PM
 

I'm not confident at all in a prediction, I haven't really decided until I end this post. First few rounds are key to see how Golovkin's jab works for him, if that frustrates Canelo and subdues him a bit, allowing Golovkin to walk him backwards I think that spells trouble for Canelo. My feeling at the moment if one of them can't afford to have a slow start it is Canelo, I feel GGG's constant pressure and jab can still get him back into the fight even he didn't get going straight away.

Of course I have watched enough of both over the years and had another look at GGG's toughest and most imporantly, his last fight, earlier on this week. It was mighty close and I give him a bit more credit looking back than I did at the time while I still commend Jacobs effort. I think Canelo is one of the most impressive offensive fighters in the sport with an arsenal of shots and very quick hands, he has certainly improved since his sole defeat and had some tough close fights since then which will benefit him, none of them similar to what GGG brings though which is another key aspect of this fight, it's definately a new beast.

I expect a cautious start to the fight and I don't believe either are high paced relentless 3 minute fighters with both guilty of taking breaks. I just feel GGG may be slightly more educated in this approach and a couple of key issues which I always feel can bring him back in a fight and better conditioned for a 12 round fight (although there has not been many) are his jab and purely his presence in front of his opponent. I will add that I'm not swaying too much towards the size argument in his favour in terms of being too big and overwhelming Canelo, I always felt Canelo was ready to make the transition to middleweight and I didn't see anything jump out at me at the weigh in and I don't expect to on fight night but we will see.

We have all seen Golovkin hit cleanly in a bit of a face first approach by smooth boxers, perhaps a bit more fleeter footed than Canelo but Canelo has an offensive to match and probably extend past what Golovkin has been caught with before, Brook, Jacobs and even Munroe had a fair amount of success against GGG. I definately give Canelo the edge in defence and a more varied offense which could see him land some eye catching shots on Golovkin and spells of dominance in the fight. Is it enough to do damage? I don't like to base a fighters chin on if they can succeed in a fight, particular against a guy as skilled as Canelo but Golovkin's is SOLID, Jacobs nailed Golovkin a few times and I don't think Canelo punches as hard. I think we would be looking more at a corner stoppage if Canelo was to get on top in that kind of fashion. Canelo is solid in that department as well.

I've mentioned it a few times I think it would be Golovkins jab and constant pressure on Canelo that would be his method of success in this fight, Canelo is great and will have success but Golovkin will just keep on coming and I believe take what Canelo dishes out, both big punchers but I'm thinking like a lot of the media in their predictions that this is a distance fight.

I edged towards Canelo at the start of the week and I don't think this post particularly cements me being more in favour of either guy but I'm going to stick to it and say Canelo is the better boxer and will take a points decision, perhaps holding on at the end with maybe Golovkin hurting him in the championship rounds. It could be controversial.

I've enjoyed the build up to this, like both guys, not particularly rooting for anyone yet. I hope the fight delivers what it promises.

I've got to add as well, taken from a tweet by journalist Douglass Fischer, you can't be calling the loser of this fight "Overated"  a "Bum" "Hype Job". After a fair amount of build up I think this fight is happening at the right time and both are right at the top of the sport.



Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: dmp on September 16, 2017, 10:09:46 PM
Ginger round 9 K/o

20 55/1

Lobbed 20 on

Adams
Bjs
Smith
Ginge


my mrs made me bet r9 canelo


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Faulks on September 16, 2017, 10:21:35 PM
I've got a few on.

Took him on ud and  10 as well

Ggg round 1 as a wild card.

Probably end up a sd in ggg favour  ;D


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: jimjack on September 16, 2017, 10:33:28 PM
my mrs made me bet r9 canelo

Gaylord


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 16, 2017, 10:33:41 PM
Anyone know what time the ring walks are?


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: The Hurricane on September 16, 2017, 10:37:06 PM
Meant to be around 3.50 if I remember correctly.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 16, 2017, 11:41:33 PM
Can someone PM me a slow running river later. After the dire BJS fight I am going to head to my bed and get back up.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: dmp on September 17, 2017, 01:34:26 AM
Anyone know what time the ring walks are?


11pm vagas time


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: unknown on September 17, 2017, 02:01:58 AM
before the fight starts...

What is the take on triple G being past this best, IE he has peaked some time in the past...


Any merit to that or is GGG in his prime as much as Cenelo..



Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Gaz on September 17, 2017, 02:23:42 AM
Every chance this might be the case. Every chance we have never seen the real best of GGG due to lack of proper stellar opposition. If there's a single defining fight for GGG and a fight to tell us everything we need to know about him and his true pedigree, it's this one.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tappers on September 17, 2017, 02:27:00 AM
Ok ive not posted on this forum for ages.
When I saw this thread 5 mins ago I did not read anything cos wanted to give my opinion. GGG 10th or 12th. He will walk down Canelo all fight. Anyone who cant see this is deluded.....De La Hoya cashing out...He knows its put up or shut up. If I'm wrong I will admit it tomorrow. God bless the both of them. Very hard fight.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tappers on September 17, 2017, 02:29:53 AM
BTW got a great stream if anyone is interested. PM only


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Scarface on September 17, 2017, 02:57:27 AM
Getting Goosebumps.

This fight is going to come down to who has the best chin.

Here's hoping for the fight of the year.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 17, 2017, 03:45:13 AM
GGG is starting to run away with this.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Faulks on September 17, 2017, 03:50:48 AM
Ggg to be robbed on cards?


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 17, 2017, 04:00:53 AM
What an utter farce, this stuff ruins boxing.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Driscoll on September 17, 2017, 04:01:10 AM
Disgraceful. Really is.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: jorg21 on September 17, 2017, 04:04:16 AM
118-110 for Canelo is bullsh*t


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Gaz on September 17, 2017, 04:04:49 AM
118-110 Canelo  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Comical stuff.

Cracking fight. Canelo did well early and late, but did too much backing up in the middle of the fight and GGG probably won 6 rounds on the trot through sheer pressure. When Alvarez actually threw, he looked dangerous, but he has these spells of inactivity during fights and I felt GGG took advantage of those rounds, even if most of the time he was only landing the jab.

118-110 though is just a hysterical card.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: The Hurricane on September 17, 2017, 04:06:47 AM
Wasn't it Bird that gave Canelo an even fight against Mayweather?


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 17, 2017, 04:07:04 AM
Max Kellerman and HBO are an utter joke


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Gaz on September 17, 2017, 04:07:21 AM
Wasn't it Bird that gave Canelo an even fight against Mayweather?

CJ Ross wasn't it??


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Scarface on September 17, 2017, 04:07:53 AM
The judges love Canelo... as predicted.

Feel sorry for GGG - practically walked Canelo down... had him winning by 4 rounds.

Good but not great fight. Canelo gassed out I think.

GGG's perfect record robbed imo.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: unknown on September 17, 2017, 04:08:04 AM
the judge that gave it 118-110 Canelo has  dug himself a hole he will never recover from, that will stay with him for the rest of his life and even his children will know of it as a family shame.


The fight was a clear GGG win... there is such a thing as who is applying forward preasure.

Easy triple G win, he landed those sneaky clips to the top of canelos head that got his attention, I guess he knew those punches were unblock able?


great fight but I'm over on UFC for the rockhold fight,


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Faulks on September 17, 2017, 04:10:20 AM
I put 10 on the draw in round 7 17/1 so finished 6 up after waging  200 over 18 bets  ;D

Was close, subjective sport. I'd lean with GGG but the 118 card was a disgrace . Absolute disgrace ..
 8)
Ggg is a credit I the sport . All round decent nice guy


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Chris on September 17, 2017, 04:12:06 AM
What a farce. That was a clear UD for GGG. Travesty. Dominated second half coming forward non stop, controlled it.

I had 10 quid on the draw at 25/1 purely for this reason, as had feeling they'd force a rematch purely for the money it will make.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: unknown on September 17, 2017, 04:19:05 AM


ask your self this,... who was the man in there not bouncing away, up on toes drawing off from ggg dodging the fight.. canelo got bashed around.


Also I don't know what fck fight the commentators where watching.

There was a bit when GGG was walking forward and smashing up canelo.. Canelo bumped up back against the ropes and GGG stepped in.. first commentator said.. he is really landing some great shots, taking over.. and the other commentators has to ask who he is referring to..


The media is so fck basis.. its ridicules, only when it is obsoletely blatantly clear who is taking over for extended period of time before the commenters ack it.

GGG applied pressure and got it at least 8 rds to 4 or there abouts .

lets give it some lea way... 7 rds to 5 GGG, but that is not a true rep of the fight that I just watched.









Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Chris on September 17, 2017, 04:29:05 AM
HBO coverage ended well quick, bye bye. No studio with experts discussing the result. That's what u get for USD 80 in the States.

UK coverage much better as they go to the studio to discuss for a good while after the fight.

HBO probably don't want Teddy Atlas going crazy about the result, keep it low key to build up the rematch  //


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Driscoll on September 17, 2017, 04:36:52 AM
Can't wait to hear what Tim thinks  ;D


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: unknown on September 17, 2017, 04:37:10 AM
judge was Adalaide Byrd.

No offense but look at her picture... would you put a women that looked like that in a premium fight and expect spot on results?

I wouldn't trust her to pack a lunch correctly.

unreal.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: wbamitch on September 17, 2017, 04:41:50 AM
Close fight, I actually had it 115-113 Canelo with a couple of really close rounds in there. I felt GGG looked in control but Canelo definitely landed the eye catching shots and I felt had enough flurries to steal some rounds, it certainly looked at a point GGG was taking over. I was a little surprised with my final scorecard but Canelo did have a strong start and finish and I obviously gave him a few in between. I could definitely score it the other way watching it again, I may have another look later. Enjoyable fight with their two styles, GGG did look bigger and stronger on the night clearly.

I saw it mentioned in a pre fight prediction that it might just be one of those fights that would have suited the old 15 rounds and I think that's the case.  At times I felt both could have done more, it was amazing what GGG took though and went right back on Canelo, his size and pressure clearly was a huge factor, I would have liked to have seen him do more with Canelo on the ropes which I think would have sealed the victory. The fight was right where you wanted it to be in the later rounds and those extra 3 rounds would have been great, Canelo was so tired but as I said had a strong finish.

118-110 is clearly an outrage and once I heard that I predicted that we would  get a draw, I totally understand why the majority thought GGG won the fight.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 17, 2017, 04:43:09 AM
Golovkin was ripped off in Vegas....but it happens all the time. It stinks over there. Utterly corrupt and we've seen it time and again. The only certainty is we'll see copious amounts of bullshit served up in that seedy city.

Golovkin won...I had it 8/4 but that's about it. Alvarez just couldn't maintain the pace. He had genuine success in bursts but it was sporadic. He's always been a 'patchy' fighter, and even though he was in superb condition and didn't have to boil down like in his 'Canelo weight' days....he still couldn't hold the pace, though in fairness GGG provided a hellacious pace and pursuit all night long. He drew Alvarez's sting and just kept working him over.

I was just hoping Golovkin could finish it off inside schedule because I knew this kind of shit was about to be served up. If Golovkin got the rightful verdict then the rematch would have still been set up perfectly, but this way the quality of the actual fight will get lost to a degree amongst the controversy.

But I'm not sure we see a rematch now.....I don't think Alvarez will want it, he got away with it tonight....why go back and let Golovkin finish off the scalping when he can ride off with a draw for now, insist he won and wait it out. They waited for GGG to get 'old' before....I expect more of that bullsh*t now. I'll be amazed if an immediate rematch occurs....but it of course should.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 17, 2017, 04:54:37 AM
Can't wait to hear what Tim thinks  ;D

GGG picking on guys from weight below him and only scraping a draw  ;D

Joking aside I had it level going into 12th and thought GGG took that. I thought Canelo took the early rounds with ease but then lost most of the mid to late rounds because although neither were landing that much it was GGG pressing the action.

I would say that anyone who gave Dirrell the Froch fight would likely give Canelo this one...,he was backing up all night long but landing the much better shots and made Golovkin miss a lot.

A draw wasn't a bad decision but the 118-110 was farcical.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Driscoll on September 17, 2017, 05:10:04 AM
GGG picking on guys from weight below him and only scraping a draw  ;D

Joking aside I had it level going into 12th and thought GGG took that. I thought Canelo took the early rounds with ease but then lost most of the mid to late rounds because although neither were landing that much it was GGG pressing the action.

I would say that anyone who gave Dirrell the Froch fight would likely give Canelo this one...,he was backing up all night long but landing the much better shots and made Golovkin miss a lot.

A draw wasn't a bad decision but the 118-110 was farcical.

Canelo didn't work hard enough or land enough to win a lot of the rounds. What he did land was eye catching but Golovkin walked him down and outlanded him almost all night. Canelo couldnt handle the constant pressure and didn't have the energy to push back and meet him in the middle of the ring. I've just seen the scorecards all 3 judges gave Canelo all 3 of the last rounds. Absolute madness.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 17, 2017, 05:22:30 AM
Canelo didn't work hard enough or land enough to win a lot of the rounds. What he did land was eye catching but Golovkin walked him down and outlanded him almost all night. Canelo couldnt handle the constant pressure and didn't have the energy to push back and meet him in the middle of the ring. I've just seen the scorecards all 3 judges gave Canelo all 3 of the last rounds. Absolute madness.

I had Canelo winning the first 4 and was baffled when the boxnation commentators called it two a piece. Should have turned the commentary off at that point as they all clearly favoured Golovkin pressure even in rounds where it led to little substance. To me Canelo was doing what he wanted more...he was taking minimal damage, making Golovkin miss often and setting up decent shots(just not often enough). Golovkin had pressure and heaps of it but his success rate was minimal.

Use to judges f***ing up on scorecards. Be interesting to see all three.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: The_Answer on September 17, 2017, 06:28:35 AM
Wasn't it Bird that gave Canelo an even fight against Mayweather?

Thank god we had you to tell us this wouldn't be a circus..

Took years to convince them into a ring together, only to have Binky on the judges table who had her score card written prior to the fight beginning and Bobo and chuckles on the HBO commentary table with a pre written script on what to say.

Good fight. Shame about everything else..


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: jimjack on September 17, 2017, 07:37:47 AM
GGG won pretty convincingly in reality. Forget the result, he answered his critics well.
Very good fight, both men come out with loads of credit. That extra pop showed in the end, whenever a back foot was taken it was canelo who took it.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Faulks on September 17, 2017, 08:01:32 AM
I was amazed at GGG's engine. Someone mentioned 15 rounds. GGG could of done 15 rounds at that pace and would of probably still only  got a draw.

I'm not on the robbed, clear bandwagon winner I've watched it twice now but I did have him ahead by two .

A draw isn't a 'robbery' the 118 canelo card makes it seem that way as there is no way on this planet can you give the ginge that many rounds .

I'm not sure they will rematch as there have said but it shuts a lot of ggg critics up (me being one) and his dignity I the draw is a measure of the guy.

Bjs was a disappointment but apart from at was best overall 10 hours of boxing I have seen for a. Long time.

2017 is the best year imo for as long  as I can remember


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Scarface on September 17, 2017, 09:08:19 AM
GGG won pretty convincingly in reality. Forget the result, he answered his critics well.
Very good fight, both men come out with loads of credit. That extra pop showed in the end, whenever a back foot was taken it was canelo who took it.

I definitely agree here. The final judges result doesn't really make much of a difference to me so far as I saw a clear GGG win. I won't be craving a rematch. With GGG holding onto all the titles he will probably smash through BJS. Canelo may fight the charlos at 154lb.

Interesting that the judges give canelo rounds when he is being outboxed and outworked when he is the one stalking... and also when he sits on the ropes catching big shot and on the back foot.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Chris on September 17, 2017, 09:13:48 AM
Maybe it will come out that Byrd got the scores the wrong way round, like another judge did recently, then her scoring might actually be ok haha.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Scarface on September 17, 2017, 09:37:41 AM
Wasn't it Bird that gave Canelo an even fight against Mayweather?

No. I think that was CJ Ross.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: mattbaker1510 on September 17, 2017, 10:27:34 AM
I had the commentary off from rnd 1.

First two rounds I though Canelo would win by points or a late stoppage. GGg didn't seem to have the pace or ability to avoid the counter punching.

Then rnd 3 it was like some one told him he'd left the gas on and he had to get home quick.  He clearly stepped up a gear.  After that I saw GGG slowly just get on top of the fight and Canelo in the mid rounds just attempting to avoid punishment while getting in a few flashy combos when possible.

Last 3rd I thought Canelo had gassed and it was pretty one sided with GGG just weathering a 30 second burst of activity.

Great fight, both deserve credit for taking a 50/50 but my instinct was GGG took it with the more consistent work rate.  If Canello can mature at the weight and get more stamina the rematch could be different as he has the skills and speed to win.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Gaz on September 17, 2017, 10:56:21 AM
I gave Canelo 2 out of the first 3 rounds and the last 2. So that would be a 116-112 in favour of GGG for me. That's not necessarily a cast-iron scorecard though and I can see the argument for Canelo if you favoured his boxing on the retreat. I just think GGG swept the board probably from 4-10 through sheer pressure and being on the front foot, and his jab (as in the Jacobs fight) kept him just about in front for the majority of the fight. They cracked each other with some hellacious shots throughout though and both clearly have solid chins. Some of the counters Canelo landed would have poleaxed the majority of fighters out there. Same visa versa.

Quality fight but not quite a classic as I didn't feel the action was quite sustained enough for long enough periods. Clearly 2 high class fighters with respect for each other's firepower.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: GOD on September 17, 2017, 11:42:40 AM
No. I think that was CJ Ross.

Yep you're right...CJ Ross got struck off after that fight, so hopefully the same will happen to Bryd brain


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Scarface on September 17, 2017, 12:33:42 PM
Robert Byrds wife... adelaide.

The numpty that stopped Mcrgregor.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: unknown on September 17, 2017, 12:34:38 PM


I found the perfect way to deal with that judge that gave it 118 - 110 canelo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZx8JYXLuJI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZx8JYXLuJI)

has some thing to do with putting her in that.... maybe have to switch off the cameras.....


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: tweetstreet on September 17, 2017, 01:17:26 PM
I know punch stats don't necessarily give the whole picture but looking at them there wasn't anything other than the 8th and 9th round for GGG where there was massive daylight between punches landed.

With a pro Canelo crowd and perhaps the more eye catching punches landed coming from him at times in the uppercuts and a few body shots which I felt the commentators seem to ignore on both sides, it can perhaps be justified where Canelo stole some rounds which many of us thought he lost. Need to rewatch the fight to pick them out though.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: big al on September 17, 2017, 04:15:35 PM
Turned off the sound and scored it round by round and had canelo winning by 2 rounds. I actually had canelo 4 rounds to 2 up through the 1st 6 rounds. I just thought the much cleaner work was coming from canelo I feel ggg was throwing a lot and coming forward more but he was missing an awful lot. How ggg took them shots I will never know he just seems to stop punches with his face rather than slip them! Il admit it was a close hard fight to try and score and can understand how people could give it either way but for me canelo won 7-5


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: mattbaker1510 on September 17, 2017, 05:08:31 PM
Given how Canelo came out for the last round I don't think he thought he was winning.  He was going for the ko


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tappers on September 17, 2017, 06:03:24 PM
What a disgrace
GGG did what I said.....ok he did not stop Canelo but put pressure on all the time.
That's the last time I'm interested in a Golden boy Oscar de la Hoya promotion. WBC godson decision.
GGG won by 6 or 7 rounds
This was supposed to be the proper fight after the shit a few weeks ago but what a load of shit. They should all be embarrassed about what happened.#
How are we gonna get new young fans interested in this wonderful sport when you get results like this.......SAD


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tuco on September 17, 2017, 06:59:48 PM
No doubt about the winner. Difficult one to score some of the rounds because Canelo was landing clean even when he was on the back foot. He was backpeddling for a reason though. All the while he was 'trying' to out box GGG in that second half, landing the flashier cleaner shots it wasn't working because he was still being tagged himself and couldn't really deal with the insane pressure and work rate Golovkin put on him. Canelo just wasn't consistent enough in most of the rounds. He would land big then go into his shell.

You could arguably give it to GGG by 6 rounds....at worst by 2/3. Either way Golovkin was the clear winner for me. And it's how most professional fighters saw it too. Those in attendance and those watching it on the box.


Never mind Tim.  ;D
Getting tired of educating you clowns. Be nice to be wrong for a change.

Unlikely though. The I told you so line has been loaded and ready to fire. Prepare your excuses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGDrJpy73U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGDrJpy73U)


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Driscoll on September 17, 2017, 08:03:13 PM
Watched it again with the sound off and still scored it the same. Even looking for rounds that could be given to Canelo. It was competitive but that doesn't mean close. GGG clear winner.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: jimjack on September 17, 2017, 09:08:19 PM
Watched it again with the sound off and still scored it the same. Even looking for rounds that could be given to Canelo. It was competitive but that doesn't mean close. GGG clear winner.

Completely agree. I think people now are searching for a reason to not claim this as a robbery.
Look at it the other way, how many people could call that a win for canelo... certainly not 50/50.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 17, 2017, 09:23:13 PM
No doubt about the winner. Difficult one to score some of the rounds because Canelo was landing clean even when he was on the back foot. He was backpeddling for a reason though. All the while he was 'trying' to out box GGG in that second half, landing the flashier cleaner shots it wasn't working because he was still being tagged himself and couldn't really deal with the insane pressure and work rate Golovkin put on him. Canelo just wasn't consistent enough in most of the rounds. He would land big then go into his shell.

You could arguably give it to GGG by 6 rounds....at worst by 2/3. Either way Golovkin was the clear winner for me. And it's how most professional fighters saw it too. Those in attendance and those watching it on the box.


Never mind Tim.  ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGDrJpy73U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGDrJpy73U)

Who gives a ahi what Kevin Kelley thinks...that lil dwarf couldn't see shit without a booster seat.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: jimjack on September 17, 2017, 09:35:08 PM
Who gives a ahi what Kevin Kelley thinks...that lil dwarf couldn't see shit without a booster seat.

Teddy atlas' reaction is ace. He nearly has a heart attack he ferscsonoissed off.😀


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 17, 2017, 09:43:27 PM
Teddy atlas' reaction is ace. He nearly has a heart attack he ferscsonoissed off.😀

Joking aside everyone who doesn't score boxing matches would give that fight to Golovkin because he was on the front foot but when you score that fight based on shots landed then a draw or couple points either way were very possible outcomes.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: jimjack on September 17, 2017, 09:47:23 PM
Joking aside everyone who doesn't score boxing matches would give that fight to Golovkin because he was on the front foot but when you score that fight based on shots landed then a draw or couple points either way were very possible outcomes.

Scoring by Rd it was closer than it looked on the night. That said I've watched it twice and can't give canelo 6 rds when I'm trying to.
Close fight, and a top draw fight too. Shame we're talking about the judges.
Daft thing is it wouldn't have been anything like this issue has that card been closer.
Oh well, I liked the fight,


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: liamo on September 18, 2017, 02:24:03 AM
Byrd should be shot with balls of her own shit and never be let judge a fight a again.

Moving on-

Going forward decisions like this have to stop for the sake and integrity of the sport but how??

I know a fight can look different from different angles; punches looking like they landed but didn't and vice versa and so on and so forth so I think they should be made wear head cams and then be interviewed post fight and explain why they gave the red corner this round for these reasons because this is what  they saw.

Another idea but maybe a bit out there:

There is a pool of say 1k that register their interest to judge bouts. Now to make sure u just haven't got fan boys jumping on the big fight bandwagon to judge a fight like last night, they have to be committed to judging 100 non title bouts over a 6 month period.

After this period they select from the original number the best 500 judges, based on their ability to communitively select the correct winner.

And  they call on these people to judge bigger fights and randomly pick 30 score cards out, average them out and that's how we decide a winner on points; not some clearly blind dope that has a face you'd love to 🥊🥊🥊🥊

Could work but probably will never happen as vegas won't be able to keep their cash cows as easily as they'd like!


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 18, 2017, 07:31:43 AM
I watched it back yesterday and after four rounds its 2-2 for me. Its at that point GGG really ups the pace and Canelo can't match it for a full three mins a round I had him then winning four in a row taking my score to 6-2 going into the last four. I have one clear Canelo round there after and even giving him two rounds take my scoring to 8-4 GGG.

I picked Canelo before hand however GGG won the fight he clearly wins, at times his boxing is brilliant his tactics spot on and his movement fantastic he cuts the ring down so well and forces Canelo to work at all times. The sad thing here is its a terrific fight yet we are spending most of the time talking about the scoring rather than the quality of boxing on show.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Faulks on September 18, 2017, 08:20:30 AM
Byrd should be shot with balls of her own shit and never be let judge a fight a again.

Moving on-

Going forward decisions like this have to stop for the sake and integrity of the sport but how??

I know a fight can look different from different angles; punches looking like they landed but didn't and vice versa and so on and so forth so I think they should be made wear head cams and then be interviewed post fight and explain why they gave the red corner this round for these reasons because this is what  they saw.

Another idea but maybe a bit out there:

There is a pool of say 1k that register their interest to judge bouts. Now to make sure u just haven't got fan boys jumping on the big fight bandwagon to judge a fight like last night, they have to be committed to judging 100 non title bouts over a 6 month period.

After this period they select from the original number the best 500 judges, based on their ability to communitively select the correct winner.

And  they call on these people to judge bigger fights and randomly pick 30 score cards out, average them out and that's how we decide a winner on points; not some clearly blind dope that has a face you'd love to 🥊🥊🥊🥊

Could work but probably will never happen as vegas won't be able to keep their cash cows as easily as they'd like!


I read somewhere this morning she has been stood down


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: TC on September 18, 2017, 09:14:04 AM
I feel like GGG has been in second gear for the last couple of years. This is the first fight he's had in ages that will genuinely motivate him and I'm confident he'll outclass Alvarez. I can see it actually being quite cagey fight as I think GGG will respect Canelo's power, but he'll wear ginger bollocks out later in the fight and run out a comfortable winner on everyone's cards apart from the judges.

Pretty much called it!

Canelo did much better than I expected in fairness and I was impressed by how much he made Golovkin miss. If he'd just worked a little bit more in some of the rounds I could legimately have seen him as the winner. As it was I had GG by two rounds, but Canelo lost a couple of rounds by needlessly showboating when he hadn't really earned the right to, taking a breather and allowing GGG to nick them.

This is one of those fights that's really tricky to score. I can see why people liked Canelo landing with cleaner punches and don't have a massive problem a close verdict in his favour. Coming forward on its own isn't enough but GGG did have a fair bit of success and actually hurt Canelo a couple of times I thought.

One thought on the Adelaide Byrd card for those crying corruption. If you're on the take and know you've got to score a close fight one way, why would you score it so wide? You'd give GGG a few more rounds to avoid this kind of criticism. I'm certain this ludicrous scorecard is a result of ineptitude. Ignorant, arrogant ineptitude.

Going forward, let's have five judges in title fights, three around the right and two watching on closed circuit TV, and ignore the two widest scores. Also, allow the scores to have a greater grading based on the dominance of how each round is won (although that wouldn't have helped in this case as the rounds were pretty close).


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 18, 2017, 11:37:23 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-4894330/Gennady-Golovkin-Canelo-Alvarez-judge-disciplined.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-4894330/Gennady-Golovkin-Canelo-Alvarez-judge-disciplined.html)

If you scroll down each judges score card is in the article.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 18, 2017, 10:48:13 PM
Scoring by Rd it was closer than it looked on the night. That said I've watched it twice and can't give canelo 6 rds when I'm trying to.
Close fight, and a top draw fight too. Shame we're talking about the judges.
Daft thing is it wouldn't have been anything like this issue has that card been closer.
Oh well, I liked the fight,

The rematch has to happen imo. No issues with them both having a fight each before hand but this time next year we need part two.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tuco on September 19, 2017, 06:25:27 PM
Who gives a ahi what Kevin Kelley thinks...that lil dwarf couldn't see shit without a booster seat.
;D
I value Kevin Kelley's UNBIASED opinion (exworld champ) way more than yours amigo.

DANIEL JACOBS, GGG's arch rival even had it for Golovkin!



Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 19, 2017, 07:25:19 PM
;D
I value Kevin Kelley's UNBIASED opinion (exworld champ) way more than yours amigo.

DANIEL JACOBS, GGG's arch rival even had it for Golovkin!



Do you even have an opinion.

I heard Golovkins mum had Canelo winning.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: GOD on September 19, 2017, 07:54:29 PM
The rematch has to happen imo. No issues with them both having a fight each before hand but this time next year we need part two.

Apparently Canelo camp (not necessarily Canelo himself though) are "non-committal" when it comes to a rematch...


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 19, 2017, 08:04:19 PM
Apparently Canelo camp (not necessarily Canelo himself though) are "non-committal" when it comes to a rematch...

Not much left for either of them at middleweight.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Vlad The Impaler on September 19, 2017, 08:08:22 PM
Hard to see the rematch happening in May, get the feeling they'll want it same time next September and hope GGG has finally aged by then  //


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tuco on September 20, 2017, 01:56:00 PM
Do you even have an opinion.

I heard Golovkins mum had Canelo winning.

I've given my opinion. I don't need to obsessively go on and on like some people hey. You've been completely wrong on this, you're clutching onto tiny straws and massive excuses. I value the opinions of non biased professionals. It's called perspective.

I doubt Canelo even wants a rematch after this. Took him years to pluck up the courage to make the first fight. Maybe he'll do the mayweather thing and wait until GGG gets old. A couple of years should do it.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 20, 2017, 02:27:25 PM
I've given my opinion. I don't need to obsessively go on and on like some people hey. You've been completely wrong on this, you're clutching onto tiny straws and massive excuses. I value the opinions of non biased professionals. It's called perspective.

I doubt Canelo even wants a rematch after this. Took him years to pluck up the courage to make the first fight. Maybe he'll do the mayweather thing and wait until GGG gets old. A couple of years should do it.

Hardly, I picked the under dog to win and he got a draw....however you just made the same prediction as every casual going(the favourite will win) and you were also wrong.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tuco on September 20, 2017, 02:37:16 PM
Hardly, I picked the under dog to win and he got a draw....however you just made the same prediction as every casual going(the favourite will win) and you were also wrong.
Clear winner and most professionals, even those wanting Canelo to win agreed he lost the fight.
Only a moron, hater or casual would have this a draw. Take your pick.

Have you any more excuses for your fighter turning into a rabbit losing?


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 20, 2017, 08:02:03 PM
Apparently Canelo camp (not necessarily Canelo himself though) are "non-committal" when it comes to a rematch...

Does not surprise me in the slightest.....I don't think they'll want it. Certainly not anytime soon!
They waited a couple years to let GGG age and only took the fight after he looked human against Jacobs, but he showed their was some life left in the old dog.....so now I anticipate Alvarez just swerve Golovkin again for as long as possible.

Any fighter who truly believed they'd won as Alvarez claimed afterwards would be desperate for a rematch ASAP....but truth be told Alvarez was found wanting and he didn't like the pressure that Golovkin put him under. Alvarez got away with a draw in a fight he should have been handed another loss, and to be honest I think in an immediate rematch there is more scope for improvement for Golovkin.

Alvarez landed some big punches and boxed as well as his dodgy stamina allowed him too. He won't fight any better than that. He was in serious shape, but he just has fundamental and I think inherent stamina issues. He NEEDS to take breathers and against opposition he can hurt, then he can get away with that no problem because they daren't pressure him too hard for fear of the counters. But against an opponent he can't deter it became a struggle. I don't really see many areas where Alvarez can ramp up his performance, but Golovkin on the other hand could have gone to the body more and could have exploited Alvarez signature defensive move much more than he did. You time that right you can walk Alvarez right onto a sweeping right hand.....and Golovkin despite being a bomber, is an astute technical fighter and I think he'll have learned a lot from the 12 rounds against Alvarez.

I've heard rumours about an Alvarez/McGregor fight and that would not shock me in the slightest. McGregor is ballsy and foolish enough to go in with Alvarez and Alvarez is snidey enough to take that fight to avoid the GGG rematch.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: bigbibbs on September 20, 2017, 08:18:02 PM
Just watched up to round ten with the volume off and no drama tension second time around.
And to be honest I can't give canelo a clean round.

When you watch it all he has done is run, run and run. Then on occasion thrown mostly don't hit me punches.
He definitely was worried to death about getting hit and was in survival mode up to this point.
It's remarkable how having the sound off can give you another dimension


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: unknown on September 20, 2017, 08:22:04 PM
https://youtu.be/HFe293-Qsm0


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: jimjack on September 20, 2017, 08:56:54 PM
Does not surprise me in the slightest.....I don't think they'll want it. Certainly not anytime soon!
They waited a couple years to let GGG age and only took the fight after he looked human against Jacobs, but he showed their was some life left in the old dog.....so now I anticipate Alvarez just swerve Golovkin again for as long as possible.

Any fighter who truly believed they'd won as Alvarez claimed afterwards would be desperate for a rematch ASAP....but truth be told Alvarez was found wanting and he didn't like the pressure that Golovkin put him under. Alvarez got away with a draw in a fight he should have been handed another loss, and to be honest I think in an immediate rematch there is more scope for improvement for Golovkin.

Alvarez landed some big punches and boxed as well as his dodgy stamina allowed him too. He won't fight any better than that. He was in serious shape, but he just has fundamental and I think inherent stamina issues. He NEEDS to take breathers and against opposition he can hurt, then he can get away with that no problem because they daren't pressure him too hard for fear of the counters. But against an opponent he can't deter it became a struggle. I don't really see many areas where Alvarez can ramp up his performance, but Golovkin on the other hand could have gone to the body more and could have exploited Alvarez signature defensive move much more than he did. You time that right you can walk Alvarez right onto a sweeping right hand.....and Golovkin despite being a bomber, is an astute technical fighter and I think he'll have learned a lot from the 12 rounds against Alvarez.

I've heard rumours about an Alvarez/McGregor fight and that would not shock me in the slightest. McGregor is ballsy and foolish enough to go in with Alvarez and Alvarez is snidey enough to take that fight to avoid the GGG rematch.

great post.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 20, 2017, 10:50:52 PM
Clear winner and most professionals, even those wanting Canelo to win agreed he lost the fight.
Only a moron, hater or casual would have this a draw. Take your pick.

Have you any more excuses for your fighter turning into a rabbit losing?

He didn't win, you ggg fan Bois are a common breed....moaning about one judge when the other two had it a draw and GGG by two points. Don't tell me Canelo paid off the other two judges but they didn't score him the fight....bravo....stupid award goes to.....you.

A draw was a fair result for all but bitter Golovkin fans.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: The Hurricane on September 21, 2017, 07:40:34 AM
I'm not sure that I've seen Don Trella's card mentioned on here.  Whilst he scored the draw, he gave the seventh to Canelo which was clearly a GGG round.  If he'd scored that correctly it would have been a 115-113 card and GGG would have won a majority decision.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 21, 2017, 07:56:21 AM
I'm not sure that I've seen Don Trella's card mentioned on here.  Whilst he scored the draw, he gave the seventh to Canelo which was clearly a GGG round.  If he'd scored that correctly it would have been a 115-113 card and GGG would have won a majority decision.

Trella's a corrupt f*cker too.

We saw Byrd under instruction to find it for Alvarez.....but she went overboard probably thinking that Golovkin would sweep the championship rounds and so tighten it up near the end giving Alvarez a 2-3 point win on her card.

Then Trella was supposed to find the draw....but his scoring of the 7th to Alvarez was absurd and flags him.

One card for Alvarez, one for the draw and Alvarez's record is safe. He can't lose......then depending on how the actual fight goes, the 3rd judges card is either redundant or it confirms a win for Alvarez.....I believe only the 3rd judge was scoring the fight with no interference or corruption at play.

Byrd and Trella were in the bag. Golovkin had to KO Alvarez to get the win.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 21, 2017, 07:59:05 AM
Trella's a corrupt f*cker too.

We saw Byrd under instruction to find it for Alvarez.....but she went overboard probably thinking that Golovkin would sweep the championship rounds and so tighten it up near the end giving Alvarez a 2-3 point win on her card.

Then Trella was supposed to find the draw....but his scoring of the 7th to Alvarez was absurd and flags him.

One card for Alvarez, one for the draw and Alvarez's record is safe. He can't lose......then depending on how the actual fight goes, the 3rd judges card is either redundant or it confirms a win for Alvarez.....I believe only the 3rd judge was scoring the fight with no interference or corruption at play.

Byrd and Trella were in the bag. Golovkin had to KO Alvarez to get the win.

 ;D ;D ;D yes you pay of the judges to score you a draw  ;D ;D ;D marvellous tactic. Was the third judge also paid off by Canelo to score it to GGG?


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 21, 2017, 09:59:32 AM
Prior to the fight I thought GGG would be exposed because of the quality of his opponents was questionable and his performance against Brook and Jacobs. I also factored in his age and how fluid Canelo has looked. I called it wrongly GGG is a far better boxer than I gave him credit for. I was really impressed with his ring work and ability to keep moving Canelo.

The only thing GGG got wrong was not committing to really putting it on Canelo sitting down on his shots when he was backed up to the ropes by round 8 I don't think Canelo had the ability to stop GGG and he should have went for the knockout. It was a clear or should have been a clear majority win for GGG. Instead we are talking about judging rather than the terrific boxing spectacle we all witnessed.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Scarface on September 21, 2017, 12:11:25 PM
;D ;D ;D yes you pay of the judges to score you a draw  ;D ;D ;D marvellous tactic. Was the third judge also paid off by Canelo to score it to GGG?

Tim it was no surprise prior to the fight that GGG would have to win by way of KO or TKO. He was never going to win on the scorecards as we have seen evidence of this in previous Canelo fights.

It is a similar situation now with Canelo as what it was many years ago with Julio Cesar Chavez - everyone knew you was never going to get the decision.

A bit like Swen Ottke in Germany.

This result was no surprise - and I think Canelo fought in a way that he had never fought before... to survive the 12 rounds.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 21, 2017, 04:35:47 PM
Tim it was no surprise prior to the fight that GGG would have to win by way of KO or TKO. He was never going to win on the scorecards as we have seen evidence of this in previous Canelo fights.

It is a similar situation now with Canelo as what it was many years ago with Julio Cesar Chavez - everyone knew you was never going to get the decision.

A bit like Swen Ottke in Germany.

This result was no surprise - and I think Canelo fought in a way that he had never fought before... to survive the 12 rounds.

i agree with everyone that one judge handed it a totally corrupt scorecard and was probably paid off, however anyone that suggest the other two judges were also paid off is an idiot. Why the hell would you pay a judge to score it a draw or even worse give the fight to your opponent.

It was a close fight that I had GGG edging but hardly a robbery.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 21, 2017, 06:15:00 PM
i agree with everyone that one judge handed it a totally corrupt scorecard and was probably paid off, however anyone that suggest the other two judges were also paid off is an idiot. Why the hell would you pay a judge to score it a draw or even worse give the fight to your opponent.

It was a close fight that I had GGG edging but hardly a robbery.

Trella's scoring of the 7th reeked of corruption.

If you got a win on one card and draw on another....you can't lose.
And preserving Alvarez's status as linear and Ring champ was the main priority for GB. I'm not one for conspiracy theories on judges generally, I think many are just sh*t at the job. But Byrd's card was outrageous and Trella's scoring of the 7th was highly suspect.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 21, 2017, 07:49:26 PM
Trella's scoring of the 7th reeked of corruption.

If you got a win on one card and draw on another....you can't lose.
And preserving Alvarez's status as linear and Ring champ was the main priority for GB. I'm not one for conspiracy theories on judges generally, I think many are just sh*t at the job. But Byrd's card was outrageous and Trella's scoring of the 7th was highly suspect.

No logic. Why give the 7th intentionally wrong. The first 4 rounds were easy to award to Canelo and any judge paid off would have done so with little criticism.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 21, 2017, 08:32:10 PM
No logic. Why give the 7th intentionally wrong. The first 4 rounds were easy to award to Canelo and any judge paid off would have done so with little criticism.

Since I'm not a corrupt judge so I don't have all the answers as to the exact plan and plot....but I'm certain the judging on that fight was not on the level. Byrd's card was demented and Trella's scoring of the 7th equally as mad.

Whats your theory on the 7th round then.....Perhaps Trella nipped for a p*ss and asked Byrd to take over his card for a few minutes?


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 21, 2017, 08:47:57 PM
Since I'm not a corrupt judge so I don't have all the answers as to the exact plan and plot....but I'm certain the judging on that fight was not on the level. Byrd's card was demented and Trella's scoring of the 7th equally as mad.

Whats your theory on the 7th round then.....Perhaps Trella nipped for a p*ss and asked Byrd to take over his card for a few minutes?

So your claiming a judge to be corrupt but then you dont have all the answers because you're not a corrupt judge.

I haven't watched the fight back and am in no rush to do so, it was close and so were the two scorecards...hopefully we get a rematch within the year.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 22, 2017, 07:57:20 AM
So your claiming a judge to be corrupt but then you dont have all the answers because you're not a corrupt judge.

I haven't watched the fight back and am in no rush to do so, it was close and so were the two scorecards...hopefully we get a rematch within the year.

Since I'm not a corrupt judge on Oscar's payroll....obviously I don't have all the answers on how exactly they go about screwing fighters like GGG over to protect their ginger goose. But it was clear as day looking at the scoring that something stinks. I've watched the fight back 3 times, Alvarez had some impressive bursts but then did an awful lot of f*ck all. It was 'competitive' but it wasn't close. It was an 8-4 type of fight and the judges cards were ridiculous to the point of being highly suspect.

In polls on various websites its currently about 85% that Golovkin was ripped off, 10% for a draw and 5% for Alvarez....if the boot was on the other foot Oscar would be going mental.

Why should we have a rematch within a year? It could and should happen far sooner than that.....but of course Oscar and the ginger goose are currently in the process of trying to hamstring Golovkin and keep him inactive until next May.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: legs on September 22, 2017, 09:48:46 AM
I must admit the first thing I looked at on the scorecards was the 7th round as that was clearly GGG best round.

I was shocked to see Byrd had given it GGG to be honest.

I think the fight was very close 115-113 seems right to me so can't really argue with the drawn card if Byrd had scored it 115-113 to Canelo most people would go fair enough etc the fact she scored it 10-2 to Canelo is very very suspect.

I hope we get to see a rematch as they are clearly numbers one & two in the middleweight division.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tuco on September 22, 2017, 03:15:35 PM
So your claiming a judge to be corrupt but then you dont have all the answers because you're not a corrupt judge.

I haven't watched the fight back and am in no rush to do so, it was close and so were the two scorecards...hopefully we get a rematch within the year.

You can't watch it back because GGG won. In your heart you know it. If Canelo had won, genuinely won, or even if you felt he got a draw, you'd be wanking all over dat shit.

It's interesting to note that those nonbiased professionals and exprofessionals who saw it live, had it by a much wider margin for GGG than those who saw it on tv. Malignaggi gave GGG 9 rounds. Its no surprise you refuse to watch it back.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 22, 2017, 03:34:12 PM
You can't watch it back because GGG won. In your heart you know it. If Canelo had won, genuinely won, or even if you felt he got a draw, you'd be wanking all over dat shit.

It's interesting to note that those nonbiased professionals and exprofessionals who saw it live, had it by a much wider margin for GGG than those who saw it on tv. Malignaggi gave GGG 9 rounds. Its no surprise you refuse to watch it back.


Yes because the non biased pros are always right. Malignaggi still trying to convince us he wasn't knocked down by McGregor.


Title: Re: Canelo vs GGG Poll
Post by: Tim2366 on September 22, 2017, 03:35:37 PM
I must admit the first thing I looked at on the scorecards was the 7th round as that was clearly GGG best round.

I was shocked to see Byrd had given it GGG to be honest.

I think the fight was very close 115-113 seems right to me so can't really argue with the drawn card if Byrd had scored it 115-113 to Canelo most people would go fair enough etc the fact she scored it 10-2 to Canelo is very very suspect.

I hope we get to see a rematch as they are clearly numbers one & two in the middleweight division.

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