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Title: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Bonters on September 20, 2017, 05:13:20 AM
Now come on, chaps. I was amazed when I came on here and there was no thread already about this fight!  I mean, it's massive isn't it?  PPV or what!  On a Sunday evening as well, so rumour has it.  Maybe on BBC straight after Songs of Praise or something?  Is Haye serious with his all revealing tweet on this, or has he finally become entirely unhinged?  I mean, seriously, would anyone at all buy tickets for this?  Just when you thought Mayweather had the monopoly on pantomime, along comes the Hayemaker!  Hilarious!   ;D


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 20, 2017, 10:18:44 AM
I was talking about this yesterday. I enjoyed the first fight plenty of drama and excitement. The first two rounds Haye was missing badly however he started to grow into the fight and his timing was coming. There was little evidence of stamina issues and he appeared to have plenty left in the tank. Its interesting to see since this fight he appears leaner ( on social media ) and if he can get a good camp with plenty of sparring and his body doesn't give out on him then I would expect to see him stop Bellew at some point. I'll be watching.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Driscoll on September 20, 2017, 11:02:10 AM
I thought the first one was a good fight to be honest. Entertainment value at least.

Would look forward to a second one.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: The Hurricane on September 20, 2017, 11:02:45 AM
The build up will be excruciating though.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Faulks on September 20, 2017, 11:05:22 AM
The build up will be excruciating though.

I think there will be a lot more resect in this one.

All for show mind so yeah excruciating


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Tim2366 on September 20, 2017, 12:08:46 PM
https://www.facebook.com/bet365uk/videos/1516827761745089/ (https://www.facebook.com/bet365uk/videos/1516827761745089/)

And it begins....not sure Bellew understands the difference between getting tired and ones leg falling off.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 20, 2017, 01:46:10 PM
I think there will be a lot more resect in this one.

All for show mind so yeah excruciating

Doubt it Haye all ready tweeted about Bellew being the face of Papa Joes pizza :-)


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Tuco on September 20, 2017, 02:31:20 PM
It was a good fight first time around. Look forward to seeing the rematch. I saw Haye do an interview recently, he looks very lean. He'll come in light and no doubt do a job on Bellew inside 7.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 20, 2017, 03:50:51 PM
It was a good fight first time around. Look forward to seeing the rematch. I saw Haye do an interview recently, he looks very lean. He'll come in light and no doubt do a job on Bellew inside 7.

I made this comment earlier and have noticed it myself he has probably come to the conclusion his body can't handle the extra weight and since the injury and rehabilitation he's been looking a lot trimmer. I tend to agree with you he'll train heavily come in at 15 stone or so and it will be a different fight.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 20, 2017, 08:10:29 PM
Haye will come in with a totally different attitude....last time he was looking to land one shot and end it with a single bomb, he was the aggressor and looked clumsy and obvious in his approach. A blind man on a galloping horse could see his loaded up bombs coming from a mile off. He wasn't comfortable leading off against Bellew, he was too heavy and with a poor mindset where he just expected to walk in and smash Bellew up.

But Haye has always been a counter puncher, who entices his opposition to come at and reach for him....and then he pounces. In a rematch he'll be lighter and will assume his more natural posture of counter puncher and this is where he's more likely to catch Bellew with a sneak bomb. How his body holds up to the rigours of a camp and fight are a genuine concern, but so far so good I guess. 


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 21, 2017, 05:43:32 AM
Haye will come in with a totally different attitude....last time he was looking to land one shot and end it with a single bomb, he was the aggressor and looked clumsy and obvious in his approach. A blind man on a galloping horse could see his loaded up bombs coming from a mile off. He wasn't comfortable leading off against Bellew, he was too heavy and with a poor mindset where he just expected to walk in and smash Bellew up.

But Haye has always been a counter puncher, who entices his opposition to come at and reach for him....and then he pounces. In a rematch he'll be lighter and will assume his more natural posture of counter puncher and this is where he's more likely to catch Bellew with a sneak bomb. How his body holds up to the rigours of a camp and fight are a genuine concern, but so far so good I guess. 

Good post. I just don't think the additional weight suits his body personal opinion. I know he's not in camp and he's not training hard and eating correctly for the fight but it's very noticeable across social media how much leaner he's looking physically I can only assume this is to add in recovery from the injury, I suspect its also because he knew he was to heavy and to slow the last time out. He's fairly shrewd in his approach and will completely change for the rematch. 


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: lurkyshaka on September 21, 2017, 07:50:32 AM
Good post. I just don't think the additional weight suits his body personal opinion. I know he's not in camp and he's not training hard and eating correctly for the fight but it's very noticeable across social media how much leaner he's looking physically I can only assume this is to add in recovery from the injury, I suspect its also because he knew he was to heavy and to slow the last time out. He's fairly shrewd in his approach and will completely change for the rematch. 

Yes agreed......when he's motivated and taking it seriously, Haye is very calculated in his approach.
Bellew is going for the payday in part 2, but I'm fairly sure the tables will be turned.

The asterix in this is Haye's body holding up....I think it will.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Tuco on September 25, 2017, 05:14:20 PM
I made this comment earlier and have noticed it myself he has probably come to the conclusion his body can't handle the extra weight and since the injury and rehabilitation he's been looking a lot trimmer. I tend to agree with you he'll train heavily come in at 15 stone or so and it will be a different fight.

Exactly that. First time round Haye arrogantly believed he could just show up, injury or no injury and spark Bellew with his sheer size and power. I've never seen him so sloppy with his shots. Coming in light means he's less likely to get an injury in training and more likely to perform at a higher level. It's a good move. Bellews time in the spotlight will be short lived.

I'm not a fan of either fighter, im not bothered who wins. Think it would be better for the heavyweight division as a whole if Haye gets the victory. It makes the division that more interesting.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 29, 2017, 12:43:12 PM
now confirmed.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Red on September 29, 2017, 03:47:13 PM
I am moderately interested in this fight, on account of how bizzare the first fight panned out.

Previously I was very cynical, but shall definitely tune in.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 29, 2017, 04:34:40 PM
Hayes one of these guys who's lucky enough to train for a few weeks and he's a full blown six pack. He posted a video on instagram to promote the fight and claims to have been in rehabilitation for seven months whilst training. He looks a lot smaller and leaner as previously mentioned in this thread, for me thats the key Haye coming in 3/4 of a stone lighter.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Kevan2 on September 29, 2017, 04:57:45 PM
Bellew is a winner either way, win lose or draw, he is still Cruiser Champ and will get another big payday defending that.
Good luck to the mouthy git...been in the right place at the right time for a long time now. He must be doing something right


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: jaff_no1 on September 29, 2017, 06:29:22 PM
Bellew is a winner either way, win lose or draw, he is still Cruiser Champ and will get another big payday defending that.
Good luck to the mouthy git...been in the right place at the right time for a long time now. He must be doing something right
He's given up the cruiser title for this fight.

I'm looking forward to this


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Driscoll on September 29, 2017, 06:31:41 PM
Bellew is a winner either way, win lose or draw, he is still Cruiser Champ and will get another big payday defending that.
Good luck to the mouthy git...been in the right place at the right time for a long time now. He must be doing something right

Win. And I think he gets a HW title shot.

Lose. And he gets the rubber match with Haye

Either way he’s retired in 12 months a very rich man.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 30, 2017, 07:52:59 AM
Win. And I think he gets a HW title shot.

Lose. And he gets the rubber match with Haye

Either way he’s retired in 12 months a very rich man.

Agreed, from a business point of view a Haye win might well suit Hearn. Haye fights Parker picks up the title defends against Bellew winner gets a unification against Joshua. win win for all concerned.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: jimjack on September 30, 2017, 12:14:54 PM
Intrigued by this but don't really expect Hayes body to make it through camp.
I expect to see this postponed until Feb and then cancelled. Fairly sure haye would retire if he could, he's just pushing his body through camps to get paid. Can't see him in a ring again.
Que Bellew telling everyone he retired Haye.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 30, 2017, 02:55:37 PM
Intrigued by this but don't really expect Hayes body to make it through camp.
I expect to see this postponed until Feb and then cancelled. Fairly sure haye would retire if he could, he's just pushing his body through camps to get paid. Can't see him in a ring again.
Que Bellew telling everyone he retired Haye.

I hear you and you might well prove to be right however Haye has been training pretty much from the injury and seems in a better frame of mind and physical condition he was 16.9 for the last fight wouldn't be surprised to see him box at 15.9.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: stinka on October 01, 2017, 11:14:39 AM
If haye can avoid hi impact training like skipping and running and do more low impact cardio like swimming and rowing machines etc he could prolong his career and lessen the chance of training injuries. I'm pretty sure wlad klitchko did similar to improve his longevity in the latter years of his career


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: GOD on October 01, 2017, 11:43:43 AM
Agreed, from a business point of view a Haye win might well suit Hearn. Haye fights Parker picks up the title defends against Bellew winner gets a unification against Joshua. win win for all concerned.

I don't think Parker will come into the equation...Hearn will have put in a rematch clause for Bellew, so if Bellew loses, then rubber match straight after I reckon

I think Hearn will have Dillian Whyte more in mind for Parker, and if Whyte wins that, then big rematch and unification against AJ


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Tim2366 on October 01, 2017, 02:46:53 PM
IF Hayes limbs don't fall off then he wins this one.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Scarface on October 01, 2017, 03:05:44 PM
A win-win for bellew. If he loses he gets to fights again in the rubber match.  Either ways he gets his retirement fund.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on October 04, 2017, 03:39:42 PM
I don't think Parker will come into the equation...Hearn will have put in a rematch clause for Bellew, so if Bellew loses, then rubber match straight after I reckon

I think Hearn will have Dillian Whyte more in mind for Parker, and if Whyte wins that, then big rematch and unification against AJ

Fast car confirmed today after the press conference that if Bellew wins he will face Parker for the WBO belt which he expects Bellew to win.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Bermondsey Boy on October 04, 2017, 04:08:02 PM
Haye looked pissed off and focused. If his body holds in camp,I think he will spark Bellew.

Bellew is part of the establishment now. Fast cars buddy, Sky "analyst" along with Coldwell who is also an "analyst". He can do no wrong.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Faulks on October 04, 2017, 07:14:49 PM
Hayes fell apart since he became vegan

Nut munching cockney C**t


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Tim2366 on October 04, 2017, 07:40:55 PM
Hayes fell apart since he became vegan

Nut munching cockney C**t

 ;D


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Tuco on October 05, 2017, 10:21:23 AM
Haye looked pissed off and focused. If his body holds in camp,I think he will spark Bellew.

Bellew is part of the establishment now. Fast cars buddy, Sky "analyst" along with Coldwell who is also an "analyst". He can do no wrong.
Bellew is making the most of his situation......and why shouldn't he. He's arguably going to retire after this fight, we all know how hard it is for some fighters when they retire. Very few fighters make it big, especially guys like him. He's entitled to the cars......The boobs, bums and depravity. I don't begrudge him reaping the rewards of his success, I don't get why people would.

Bellew is being smart by setting up a potential career as a boxing analyst. What else is he going to do?


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: mattbaker1510 on October 05, 2017, 10:52:37 AM
Spot on.  He gets hit in the head for a living and people are offering him lots of money to do it and then work after that as a commentator.  Given he has no other skills to generate money I say go for it. Can you imagine being told you have to retire from your job at 35 and having no ability to do anything else?

Would give me sleepless nights.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on October 05, 2017, 12:58:13 PM
If Bellew beat Haye again then he's looking at another PPV against Parker win and he'll be boxing AJ on another PPV this time next year. He'll certainly be comfortably well off should that plan come through. I would imagine he would have made 3 million for his last fight and probably 5 million for this one.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: tweetstreet on October 05, 2017, 02:08:57 PM
Yeah can't begrudge Bellew making a living out of this he's always said his motivation is to set his family up for life, Hayes is to fund his lifestyle, and divorce.

Not a fight I'm really interested in though as Haye in shape without injuries destroys Bellew. This whole fight is based on whether Hayes body can survive a camp and the fight,


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: jaff_no1 on October 05, 2017, 02:36:12 PM
Haye beats Bellew then takes the world title from Parker to setup the AJ PPV at Wembley?

All seems too easy and possibly why the Parker v Fury fight was so wide previous to make sure Parker stays as champ for easy pickings


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: GOD on October 06, 2017, 05:53:51 AM
If Bellew beat Haye again then he's looking at another PPV against Parker win and he'll be boxing AJ on another PPV this time next year. He'll certainly be comfortably well off should that plan come through. I would imagine he would have made 3 million for his last fight and probably 5 million for this one.

I can't see Bellew ever fighting AJ to be honest...I think he's sensible enough to know his limits; he knows he has no chance in that fight and his safety would be in SERIOUS jeopardy, and he wouldn't put his family through that especially given what happened to his brother in-law...he'll max out against Haye and then retire I reckon, or have one last shot vs Parker and retire either way after that


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: tweetstreet on October 11, 2017, 07:56:07 PM
£1000-£3500 from inner ringside seats!!!

Are they f***ing mental!? Fast Eddie must be on Spice!



Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Tuco on October 11, 2017, 10:42:53 PM
Haye beats Bellew then takes the world title from Parker to setup the AJ PPV at Wembley?

All seems too easy and possibly why the Parker v Fury fight was so wide previous to make sure Parker stays as champ for easy pickings
Do u think his body will be able to hold up without breaking down again?

This could be Hayes last fight win or lose. Say he beats bellew,  he then has to put the weight back on to compete with a real heavyweight. The odds of him staying healthy?

Don't want to be a killjoy but it wouldn't surprise me if this is Hayes last fight regardless of the result.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Tim2366 on October 11, 2017, 11:23:11 PM
£1000-£3500 from inner ringside seats!!!

Are they f***ing mental!? Fast Eddie must be on Spice!



People pay it though. Idiotic people.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: tweetstreet on October 12, 2017, 12:15:56 AM
People pay it though. Idiotic people.

I could probably fly to New York, awesome hotel, awesome tickets to Lomanchenko v Rigo and cover my food and drink for much less than that!

Eddie Hearn is criminal


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Bonters on October 13, 2017, 12:21:03 PM
Do u think his body will be able to hold up without breaking down again?

This could be Hayes last fight win or lose. Say he beats bellew,  he then has to put the weight back on to compete with a real heavyweight. The odds of him staying healthy?

Don't want to be a killjoy but it wouldn't surprise me if this is Hayes last fight regardless of the result.

I know I'm no fan of Haye, but he's seriously past it now anyway.  However, he has shown several times that he's desperate for money and seems to have been involved in all sorts of dodgy dealing in the past, not to mention an expensive divorce.  His body is shot and cannot hold up to the rigours any more, no matter how he kids himself.  He is an accident waiting to happen.  He is not, never was, and never will be a Heavyweight.  Bit like Bellew really!  I'm astonished that tickets for this have flown off the shelves, but apparently so.  Maybe I'm just too old for this game.   //


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Faulks on October 13, 2017, 12:40:21 PM
I know I'm no fan of Haye, but he's seriously past it now anyway.  However, he has shown several times that he's desperate for money and seems to have been involved in all sorts of dodgy dealing in the past, not to mention an expensive divorce.  His body is shot and cannot hold up to the rigours any more, no matter how he kids himself.  He is an accident waiting to happen.  He is not, never was, and never will be a Heavyweight.  Bit like Bellew really!  I'm astonished that tickets for this have flown off the shelves, but apparently so.  Maybe I'm just too old for this game.   //

First one was entertaining due to the injury. Easy sell


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Tim2366 on October 13, 2017, 01:22:38 PM
I could probably fly to New York, awesome hotel, awesome tickets to Lomanchenko v Rigo and cover my food and drink for much less than that!

Eddie Hearn is criminal

He’s taken the football model to a new level....if people keep paying the daft prices then you can bet they’ll keep charging them.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Tuco on October 13, 2017, 02:33:02 PM
I know I'm no fan of Haye, but he's seriously past it now anyway.  However, he has shown several times that he's desperate for money and seems to have been involved in all sorts of dodgy dealing in the past, not to mention an expensive divorce.  His body is shot and cannot hold up to the rigours any more, no matter how he kids himself.  He is an accident waiting to happen.  He is not, never was, and never will be a Heavyweight.  Bit like Bellew really!  I'm astonished that tickets for this have flown off the shelves, but apparently so.  Maybe I'm just too old for this game.   //

Im not paying for it, it was a cracking fight first time round though. I can see why the casuals would be going for it. It's almost a freak show fight. Haye gets injured opening his front door, he's essentially an invalid dressed up to look like an adonis and Bellew as a heavyweight is laughable. With Eddie Hearns Motto being "ENTERTAINMENT! " freak show or not he's delivering on fan friendly fights.

Assuming Haye is all but done, Im not sure what kind of a career he's had looking back. Multiple world champion, yes but When you see who he's fought,  who he's beaten. It isn't exactly a who's who is it.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: tweetstreet on October 13, 2017, 04:51:49 PM
He’s taken the football model to a new level....if people keep paying the daft prices then you can bet they’ll keep charging them.

And it'll probably kill off any progress the sport has made in the past few years. If I was involved in the UFC/MMA scene in the UK I'd be aiming to put free to air shows at decent ticket prices up against this sort of show. Imagine Bisping v GSP was on in London on the same night on BT sport it'd definitely have N IMPACT ON THE PPV at the very least.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Tim2366 on October 14, 2017, 09:12:26 AM
And it'll probably kill off any progress the sport has made in the past few years. If I was involved in the UFC/MMA scene in the UK I'd be aiming to put free to air shows at decent ticket prices up against this sort of show. Imagine Bisping v GSP was on in London on the same night on BT sport it'd definitely have N IMPACT ON THE PPV at the very least.

If assume the Crolla v Burns card left a decent dent in the Eubank ppv last week. Had John Bishop on locally last night and tonight....his tickets were buy one get one free....sounds like a cheap night but bottom line is the higher attendance the more cash the bars take.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Bonters on October 16, 2017, 08:41:01 PM
To be fair to Hearn, and any other promoters, there is every indication that they could charge way more for tickets than they are doing, hence the resale business such as Stubhub.  I know a certain someone (ahem) who bought 4 x £60 tickets for this fight on the members' presale and then banged them on Stubhub at a higher price than most folk were asking (£150 each), and they were sold in less than 24 hours, and even before the general sale had started!  Folk are prepared to pay that kinda money in the blink of an eye, for a Sunday night show just before Christmas!  I can barely believe it but that's the way it is.  So I sometimes wonder why the promoters don't just charge that kinda money for them in the first place?  There's enough soppy gits around who would pay it.  And then just get pissed up and shout 'Knock him aaaaaart' all night long.  It's staggering!   //


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Driscoll on November 12, 2017, 03:22:57 PM
There’s a rumour doing the rounds that Haye’s Injured. Would be the end for him if true.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: jimjack on November 12, 2017, 07:14:25 PM
Intrigued by this but don't really expect Hayes body to make it through camp.
I expect to see this postponed until Feb and then cancelled. Fairly sure haye would retire if he could, he's just pushing his body through camps to get paid. Can't see him in a ring again.
Que Bellew telling everyone he retired Haye.

Should have had a bet on this!


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Red on November 13, 2017, 04:36:54 PM
Hearn has categorically said it's not true - and that Sky have contacted Haye on the rumours, whom 100% denies there are any issues.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 13, 2017, 06:38:20 PM
Hearn has categorically said it's not true - and that Sky have contacted Haye on the rumours, whom 100% denies there are any issues.

Has there been an official statement on this or is it just rumours?


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: deck on November 13, 2017, 11:51:06 PM
Hearn has categorically said it's not true - and that Sky have contacted Haye on the rumours, whom 100% denies there are any issues.

Yeah but you could never trust a word out of Haye' s mouth.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 14, 2017, 09:15:07 AM
Could be either Haye deliberately leaking some bullshit...in an attempt to get Bellew thinking he's got another sitting duck.

Or could be some truth to it and Haye's bullshitting with his denial....remember his trip to German in the days prior to the first fight where he claimed there was no injury?

I lean to the first option at the moment, but not by much.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Faulks on November 14, 2017, 09:55:08 AM
Could be either Haye deliberately leaking some bullshit...in an attempt to get Bellew thinking he's got another sitting duck.

Or could be some truth to it and Haye's bullshitting with his denial....remember his trip to German in the days prior to the first fight where he claimed there was no injury?

I lean to the first option at the moment, but not by much.
I thinks its more likely Haye says he's not injured and fights anyway with his leg in cast.

Guys skint he will fight if he can as there is not long left in Hayes laughable HW reign


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on November 14, 2017, 10:02:44 AM
Could be either Haye deliberately leaking some bullshit...in an attempt to get Bellew thinking he's got another sitting duck.

Or could be some truth to it and Haye's bullshitting with his denial....remember his trip to German in the days prior to the first fight where he claimed there was no injury?

I lean to the first option at the moment, but not by much.

If he's injured then it isn't by carrying weight because the most recent pictures show a very lean Haye.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: legs on November 14, 2017, 10:29:34 AM
If Haye is telling a few porkies then its not the smartest move as with this being on PPV you don't want doubts in peoples minds as to whether he is doing exactly the same as the first fight.

I think he will fight regardless though as it looks like he needs / wants the money.


Title: Re: Haye -v- Bellew II
Post by: lurkyshaka on November 14, 2017, 03:01:29 PM
If he's injured then it isn't by carrying weight because the most recent pictures show a very lean Haye.

Yeah he's certainly dropped a lot of weight which was the right thing to do, but he fights under the suspicion of an injury and his achilles goes again, then nobody will forgive him....apart from Bellew. He got away with it last time because he showed heart, but nobody will have any sympathy or respect for him this time if he knowingly goes in compromised because he's just desperate for a pound note.