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Title: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: The Hurricane on September 21, 2017, 03:33:14 PM
Strange that given he cleared out 168 and 175 (bar Stevenson who doesn't really count as he's not interested in decent fights) and retires undefeated I doubt he will really be missed a great deal.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: motoriser on September 21, 2017, 03:37:33 PM
Just as I posted my thread ,you posted yours.Ah well,to each their own.
I will always appreciate a person who was slightly passed his Prime,but still able to Bite down in 2 hard fights and Claim the P4P King throne despite knee injuries in Camp.Once the dust settles,all will start to set in.Tatenda.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: The Hurricane on September 21, 2017, 03:46:38 PM
I don't doubt that like some other fighters he will most likely be appreciated more in the future.  But he never really connected with the boxing public in general hence I don't expect an outpouring of disappointment today.  I always think that his not fighting Bute didn't help his case after the Super Six.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on September 21, 2017, 03:55:39 PM
Terrific boxer superbly talented had it all however he never built momentum behind his career and as such most people will say 'who' outside of boxing circles. I think he had to many layoffs etc. He was silky smooth and his movement technically brilliant. He never really for me had that carer defining fight basically because he never really had a foe who could push him to the limit. That said his record is not to bad when you look at it.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: Tim2366 on September 21, 2017, 04:36:57 PM
Effective but shite to watch.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: jorg21 on September 21, 2017, 04:41:06 PM
Brilliant fighter but as Dexter said didn't really have a foe to challenge him easily outclassed most of his opponents.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: Kevan2 on September 21, 2017, 05:28:42 PM
For me he was another fighter that i appreciate but would never pay to watch... He will end up like Larry Holmes...a True Great but kinda slips into the background.




Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: Faulks on September 21, 2017, 06:34:52 PM
Earned a load of money off jay z and wasted a load of time arguing with his ex promoter .

I'm still quite surprised with this guess god needs him now so hasn't got the time


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: Scarface on September 21, 2017, 10:01:56 PM
Totally in a class of his own.  Never really tested by any of his opponents. Probably could easily carry on... but there is nobody left to fight. Cleaned the divisions out.

Retired undefeated on his own terms and while he was p4p No.1. Props.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: Red on September 22, 2017, 11:08:10 AM
I felt Ward was always unable to carry a fight card on his own - and always needed a name opponent to get excited about.

Compared to say Cotto, who's career at 140 was sublime and packed with excitement with every fight - you look at Ward vs Bika or Ward vs Allan Green and they are utterly dreadful fights to watch.

I thought he was lucky in first Kov fight and the rematch was plain odd. His win over Kessler was disgusting.

To be fair only his win over Froch seemed proper, i.e. winning the rounds without a low blow or headbutt or some other controversy. But even then, when you look at his path to the final, it was a joke. He avoided Taylor, Dirrell and didn't fight once overseas. It was tilted in his favour. He didn't even do the international press launch for it, apart from the very final date in Germany I think.

I found the way he allegedly dragged a dying man in Dan Goosen through the courts to be abhorrent. It was thrown out by several courts in different districts - and it ended when Goosen died I believe.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: glenn_user on September 22, 2017, 03:02:18 PM
bye


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: SCOTTY'S SOBER on September 23, 2017, 11:43:34 PM
Totally in a class of his own.  Never really tested by any of his opponents. Probably could easily carry on... but there is nobody left to fight. Cleaned the divisions out.

Retired undefeated on his own terms and while he was p4p No.1. Props.
bit farcical there mate.
He was floored and beaten imo by kov first fight and 2nd time around was behind on my scorecard before the terrible stoppage.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: unknown on September 24, 2017, 09:19:36 AM
If you could put Ward against any three fighters from history in his weight class who would  you put him against to really stress him and possible beat him, or is he unbeatable?

He beat Carl Froch and that is a huge water mark to surpass imo,


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: Scarface on September 24, 2017, 12:27:23 PM
bit farcical there mate.
He was floored and beaten imo by kov first fight and 2nd time around was behind on my scorecard before the terrible stoppage.

I disagree beyond kovalev's power... ward has him beaten in every other boxing attribute.

A big puncher can always land that one lucky punch... that doesn't mean he is a better boxer in my books.  Kovalev was simply out of ideas... had no plan B.

Have you noticed how big punchers don't tend to do that well if they move up the weight classes... they lose that one advantage they had. Good boxers can stay effective though as ward has proven.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: jaff_no1 on September 24, 2017, 02:43:49 PM
If you could put Ward against any three fighters from history in his weight class who would  you put him against to really stress him and possible beat him, or is he unbeatable?

He beat Carl Froch and that is a huge water mark to surpass imo,
Ward v calzaghe would have been very interesting


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: unknown on September 24, 2017, 03:10:32 PM

How would you see that play out?

Roy Jones not in his prime put calzaghe down, in his prime Roy would have smashed calzaghe ?

Any way this is  about Ward.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: ChicagoFightFan on September 24, 2017, 06:39:21 PM
I feel like he is trying to take a page out of the Mayweather play book and retire - only to come out when a big money fight presents itself. Don't think this will be the end.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: Driscoll on September 25, 2017, 07:20:02 AM
How would you see that play out?

Roy Jones not in his prime put calzaghe down, in his prime Roy would have smashed calzaghe ?

Any way this is  about Ward.


To be fair Calzaghe was also a far way past prime when he fought Jones


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: The Hurricane on September 25, 2017, 07:46:38 AM
To be fair Calzaghe was also a far way past prime when he fought Jones

And it wasn't a legitimate shot that dropped him.  He hit him/dragged him down with the inside of his forearm.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: Red on September 25, 2017, 08:07:21 AM
I feel like he is trying to take a page out of the Mayweather play book and retire - only to come out when a big money fight presents itself. Don't think this will be the end.

I can see that happening.

At the end of the day, he has no fights on the horizon anyway it would seem.

Apart from Adonis, whom should be stripped imo.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: The Hurricane on September 25, 2017, 08:21:35 AM
I don't think a comeback would generate a great deal of interest.  If he'd retired for a couple of years after Dawson and then come straight back against Kovalev a la Leonard v Hagler then I'm sure there would've been a big buzz.  Stevenson is a bit of a joke and unless Beterbiev or someone really makes a big impact soon there isn't really much out there to get excited about.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: Tim2366 on September 25, 2017, 10:03:35 AM
I feel like he is trying to take a page out of the Mayweather play book and retire - only to come out when a big money fight presents itself. Don't think this will be the end.

Ward v The Big Show.


Title: Re: Andre Ward Retires
Post by: Tuco on September 25, 2017, 05:23:25 PM
I feel like he is trying to take a page out of the Mayweather play book and retire - only to come out when a big money fight presents itself. Don't think this will be the end.

Good point, was just abouts to type something similar. There isn't any point in putting his body through the rigors of training if nothing is exciting him and his heart isn't in it. He could be waiting some time for something decent to come along though.

Ward could have been a much bigger star had he been as bigger C**t out of the ring as he was in it. It worked for Floyd & Mcgregor.