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Title: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Red on November 23, 2009, 09:55:19 PM
To stop the board getting royally clogged up with recycled news, please discuss the fight and all things Manny Vs Floyd in here.





Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaff_no1 on November 23, 2009, 10:04:24 PM
Good call Red it all just seems to be the same news over and over again at the moment


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on November 23, 2009, 11:12:07 PM
Well done Red.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on November 24, 2009, 12:37:50 AM
here here.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: PildiLagiMo on November 24, 2009, 03:09:08 PM
i agree totally.

i've even started linking slightly (or even totally) different news into an existing thread just to lessen new ones. occasionally tho, i start a new one when a similar old thread has degenerated topic wise.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Red on November 24, 2009, 10:26:03 PM
Good stuff.

Whilst i appreciate there are some very good articles around, a lot of it is re-quoted stuff from one site, to another site, to another.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Faulks on November 25, 2009, 09:05:29 AM
Great idea Red, i have to shift through the same crap to find something different to read


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: grizzlyadams on November 25, 2009, 10:09:06 AM
great idea. keep it all in one thread and you can keep a proper track of who said what and not read the same one half a dozen times over. Also, i'm sure you can add to the thread title if you have a new headline can't you?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 02, 2009, 08:32:22 PM
Sorry mods for posting this on new thread.

By Dan Rafael
spam.com
Archive
The proposed super-fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather is getting closer.

Mayweather agreed to terms for the welterweight title bout on Tuesday, multiple sources with knowledge of the negotiations told spam.com.

The proposed date is March 13, although there is a chance it could move to May 1, sources said. Mayweather, according to a source close to him, is OK with either date.

Pacquiao and Mayweather have fought recent bouts at catch weights. However if they complete their deal, the bout would be contested at 147 pounds, the maximum for a welterweight fight, a source said.

Top Rank's Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KOs), was flying to the Philippines on Tuesday night to meet with Pacquiao and try to close his side of the deal.

Arum spent much of Tuesday getting open issues resolved in his negotiations with Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, who represents Mayweather, sources said. Once Arum was able to do that, he left for the Philippines and is expected back on Monday.

If the HBO PPV fight happens on March 13, it would force the tentative HBO PPV fight between light heavyweights Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins to move to another date. Hopkins and Jones both fight Wednesday and must win for their fight to go through.

The site for Pacquiao-Mayweather remains up in the air. There is interest from Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to bring the fight to his new stadium. There is also interest from venues in Las Vegas, including the MGM Grand (which has hosted several Pacquiao and Mayweather fights), and the Superdome in New Orleans in hosting a fight many believe will break the all-time record for pay-per-view buys, which is the 2.44 million units sold for Mayweather's 2007 split decision victory against Oscar De La Hoya.

The fight moved front and center with heavy public demand for it following Pacquiao's dominant 12th-round knockout of Miguel Cotto to win a welterweight title on Nov. 14. The victory gave Pacquiao a title in a record-breaking seventh weight division and 1.25 million pay-per-view units.

Mayweather (40-0, 25 KOs), who has won titles in five divisions, came out of a brief retirement in September to dominate Juan Manuel Marquez in a fight that generated 1.05 million buys.

Just a few days after Pacquiao's win over Cotto, Arum and Schaefer began negotiations.

One wrench in the talks was the date. Arum, Schaefer and HBO wanted to slot the fight on May 1. However, Pacquiao announced his candidacy for a congressional seat in the Philippines on Tuesday. With the election scheduled for May 10, it rules out a May 1 fight unless Pacquiao runs unopposed. Pacquiao lost the election for a congressional seat in 2007.

If Pacquiao-Mayweather isn't finalized, Arum has talked about matching Pacquiao with junior middleweight titlist Yuri Foreman, which would give Pacquiao an opportunity to win a title in an eighth division. Foreman defeated Daniel Santos to win a 154-pound belt on the Pacquiao-Cotto undercard.

Schaefer has talked about bringing Mayweather to England to match him with Matthew Hatton in the event Pacquiao-Mayweather isn't made. Hatton is the brother of Ricky Hatton, the former junior welterweight and welterweight titlist whom Mayweather knocked out in 2007.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 02, 2009, 08:37:00 PM

Schaefer has talked about bringing Mayweather to England to match him with Matthew Hatton in the event Pacquiao-Mayweather isn't made.

Sounds like the Pacman fight isn't there just yet then. Let's wait for the official confirmation before we get too excited.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 02, 2009, 08:42:51 PM
Sounds like the Pacman fight isn't there just yet then. Let's wait for the official confirmation before we get too excited.

mayweather has agreed on the money, location , and the dates... Arum has agreed as well. As mentioned , Arum flew back to the phillipines today to close out the deal and to see if pacman is ok with the dates. The other options are there ofcourse incase either fighter dont want the fight just yet .


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 02, 2009, 09:32:06 PM
Rather intriguingly Thomas Cook have nothing showing on flights for either of those dates but hols showing for the weeks before and after - they're clearly hedging their bets to make the most out of the sports packages!

Not that I'm pricing it up....

I miss the whistling smiley.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Ruby on December 02, 2009, 09:44:34 PM
Rather intriguingly Thomas Cook have nothing showing on flights for either of those dates but hols showing for the weeks before and after - they're clearly hedging their bets to make the most out of the sports packages!

Not that I'm pricing it up....

I miss the whistling smiley.
I noticed that too does seem funny, but even if we have to swim we will be there whatever the date turns out to be


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 02, 2009, 09:47:25 PM
I think they'll just be holding them back to see the level of interest and to try and make more out of the packages with tickets if they get any. They've already got a mailing list for it on their sports website. Not sure I'd do a week again so bloody soon anyway!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 02, 2009, 09:50:53 PM
If this report is correct (and only if), it's interesting that Mayweather seems to be keen to get it on.  Presumably he's agreed the purse split in the process?  No lengthy bobbing and weaving from him apparently.  Developments will be even more interesting


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 02, 2009, 10:00:27 PM
If this report is correct (and only if), it's interesting that Mayweather seems to be keen to get it on.  Presumably he's agreed the purse split in the process?  No lengthy bobbing and weaving from him apparently.  Developments will be even more interesting

I am suprised  I expected lots of posturing and threats to fight others etc  from both camps.

I think Manny's best option is not to let Floyd have another tune up fight,  then he will have only fought once in nearly 2.5yrs.

Flo  American Airlines who I have used 5 times have also shafted their prices,  paid £320 for the Calzaghe v Bhop fight  looking at nearly £600 indirect around May 1st.  Wankers  >:(     Not that I've been pricing dates up  also misses the whistling smilie  :)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 02, 2009, 10:03:49 PM
I am suprised  I expected lots of posturing and threats to fight others etc  from both camps.

I think Manny's best option is not to let Floyd have another tune up fight,  then he will have only fought once in nearly 2.5yrs.

Flo  American Airlines who I have used 5 times have also shafted their prices,  paid £320 for the Calzaghe v Bhop fight  looking at nearly £600 indirect around May 1st.  Wankers  >:(     Not that I've been pricing dates up  also misses the whistling smilie  :)

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: WelshDevilRob on December 02, 2009, 10:10:01 PM
I can't see Floyd lowering himself to fighting a journeyman like Matthew Hatton. Floyd would get slaughtered for that.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Jambonhead on December 02, 2009, 10:13:18 PM
This makes the most sense on all fronts, good news, hopefully we can get confirmation by the end of next week and enjoy a tense-free xmas...

the we can look forward to the most epic build up imagineable  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 02, 2009, 10:20:22 PM
You guys will see what greatness is all about when these 2 fighters meet . I dont want to bring this up but ive been on a good win streak on my predictions and i follow the sport so much that i can honestly predict the outcome of this fight .

Im very excited for this fight and i just cant wait !!! Pacman is a good fighter and ive been saying this all along but is he elite ? Can he change a fight when its not going his way ? Can he stay calm and not get frustrated against a  pure boxer, a master in the defense category AKA Floyd? Paman will finally break the trend of not fighting aggressive fighters who love to come forward , how will he handle that ?

The sports i watch , it has been stoned " Defense Wins Championships "  ;D

Get ready boys and girls because the truth will come out real soon !!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 02, 2009, 10:25:19 PM
You guys will see what greatness is all about when these 2 fighters meet . I dont want to bring this up but ive been on a good win streak on my predictions and i

No, please let us know - some of us need to get some money back form all these bloody trips!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: blow_jab on December 02, 2009, 10:26:11 PM
This makes the most sense on all fronts, good news, hopefully we can get confirmation by the end of next week and enjoy a tense-free xmas...

the we can look forward to the most epic build up imagineable  ;D


Lets start the buildup. im gettin' excited for this one

Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao (Trailer) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyKyXKQvA8I#normal)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: styledoctor on December 02, 2009, 10:27:55 PM
You guys will see what greatness is all about when these 2 fighters meet . I dont want to bring this up but ive been on a good win streak on my predictions and i follow the sport so much that i can honestly predict the outcome of this fight .

Im very excited for this fight and i just cant wait !!! Pacman is a good fighter and ive been saying this all along but is he elite [/glow] ? Can he change a fight when its not going his way ? Can he stay calm and not get frustrated against a  pure boxer, a master in the defense category AKA Floyd? Paman will finally break the trend of not fighting aggressive fighters who love to come forward , how will he handle that ?

The sports i watch , it has been stoned " Defense Wins Championships "  ;D

Get ready boys and girls because the truth will come out real soon !!

How can this still be a valid question? He may not beat Mayweather but it is indisputable that he is elite.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Jambonhead on December 02, 2009, 10:32:29 PM
Lets start the buildup. im gettin' excited for this one



Arg dont tease me, I wont start hyping myself up until the fight is signed and confirmed and a date given, or i risk dissapointment on a grand scale

hatton-pacman was absoulte torture, Constantly almost signed then almost off back and forth, in the end I just gave up following it until It was confirmed


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: WelshDevilRob on December 02, 2009, 10:32:55 PM
You guys will see what greatness is all about when these 2 fighters meet . I dont want to bring this up but ive been on a good win streak on my predictions and i follow the sport so much that i can honestly predict the outcome of this fight .

Im very excited for this fight and i just cant wait !!! Pacman is a good fighter and ive been saying this all along but is he elite ? Can he change a fight when its not going his way ? Can he stay calm and not get frustrated against a  pure boxer, a master in the defense category AKA Floyd? Paman will finally break the trend of not fighting aggressive fighters who love to come forward , how will he handle that ?

The sports i watch , it has been stoned " Defense Wins Championships "  ;D

Get ready boys and girls because the truth will come out real soon !!

Join a Prediction League big boy. Sign the contract. ;D

Alright saying you know - prove it in the leagues.

That's my say - 4 forum belt title wearing WDR. :)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 02, 2009, 10:38:41 PM
keegan if pacman aint elite i dunno who is //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 02, 2009, 10:39:36 PM
keegan if pacman aint elite i dunno who is //

Khan! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 02, 2009, 11:33:18 PM
Oh, no, this is a nightmare come true if this comes off on 13th March, I'm flying out there on the 15th.

Everyone else close your eyes.........PLEASE DON'T HAPPEN ON THE 13TH MARCH!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 02, 2009, 11:39:44 PM
Oh, no, this is a nightmare come true if this comes off on 13th March, I'm flying out there on the 15th.

Everyone else close your eyes.........PLEASE DON'T HAPPEN ON THE 13TH MARCH!

skav surely with the money yav saved by skimmimg the milk all yr you could afford to change the flights and go out a few days earlier  ;D

ah on a serious note that would be a total disaster mate, hopefully it wont happen on ya. im also hoping it il be later on in the yr so i can get the funds up, i dont think this march 13th is suiting many fans is it??


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 03, 2009, 12:07:03 AM
How can this still be a valid question? He may not beat Mayweather but it is indisputable that he is elite.

styledoctor , forgive me for that statement but I am having a tough time beleiving he is an elite fighter because he has dominated only 1 style of fighters which are come forward aggressive fighters but maybe its just me being hard headed and stubborn and would like to see him step up against a quality pure boxer and see how he does in there. Until then i dont see him as an elite boxer but i do think hes a very good fighter.

Am i shocked he beat hatton, and cotto ? No , i predicted pacman to win but i didnt predict in that style which was very impressive. I just cant wait until the fight happens and to show everybody what he really is up against .


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: TheTruth on December 03, 2009, 12:09:16 AM
Sorry mods for posting this on new thread.

By Dan Rafael
spam.com
Archive
The proposed super-fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather is getting closer.

Mayweather agreed to terms for the welterweight title bout on Tuesday, multiple sources with knowledge of the negotiations told spam.com.



Well there you have it! Once again the ball is in Manny Pacman's court!

Manny knows he will lose the fight badly which is why he is loathe to have it take place before the Filipino Elections. Smart move but nevertheless the TRUTH remains: Floyd stands ready for Manny!

What say you Pactards??   ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 03, 2009, 12:10:57 AM
Lets start the buildup. im gettin' excited for this one

Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao (Trailer) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyKyXKQvA8I#normal[/url])


thanks for that Blow_Jab !! That is incredible and whoever is making that video, please add to it !!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 03, 2009, 12:14:37 AM
keegan if pacman aint elite i dunno who is //

Sorry about that guevara, please read above post , the one i sent to style doctor. Elite to me is being able to beat any style that is thrown in front of you and until this day i dont know if pacman can deal with a very good pure boxer that defends very well and counters all day.

Dont get me wrong , i enjoy watching pacman go to work and how he just dismantles his opponents but again i guess im just being stubborn for not calling him elite but to me that word is meant for the best of the best .


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: TheTruth on December 03, 2009, 12:16:41 AM

Dont get me wrong , i enjoy watching pacman go to work and how he just dismantles his opponents but again i guess im just being stubborn for not calling him elite but to me that word is meant for the best of the best .

Hear Hear!! CC for that one!  Manny is simply not of the same class that Floyd Mayweather is!

Manny may be exciting, but Floyd is just brilliant!

Once this fight happens you will all see exactly what I mean.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 03, 2009, 12:23:54 AM
Sorry about that guevara, please read above post , the one i sent to style doctor. Elite to me is being able to beat any style that is thrown in front of you and until this day i dont know if pacman can deal with a very good pure boxer that defends very well and counters all day.

Dont get me wrong , i enjoy watching pacman go to work and how he just dismantles his opponents but again i guess im just being stubborn for not calling him elite but to me that word is meant for the best of the best .

no probs keegan... marquez imo is a very good pure boxer,the defends well and counters all day and pacquiao took him.

ive said all along flyod will beat manny and as you know keegan in a massive mayweather fan but manny pacquiao is elite in my book.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 03, 2009, 12:30:30 AM
no probs keegan... marquez imo is a very good pure boxer,the defends well and counters all day and pacquiao took him.

ive said all along flyod will beat manny and as you know keegan in a massive mayweather fan but manny pacquiao is elite in my book.



Did he ?  ;D  ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: TheTruth on December 03, 2009, 12:32:41 AM
Did he ?  ;D  ;)

Nope! I had him losing twice. The 2nd even more clearly than the 1st.  ;) :)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 03, 2009, 12:33:36 AM
Did he ?  ;D  ;)
;D  ;D the record books would suggest he did though.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Chris on December 03, 2009, 12:46:44 AM
Rather intriguingly Thomas Cook have nothing showing on flights for either of those dates but hols showing for the weeks before and after - they're clearly hedging their bets to make the most out of the sports packages!

Not that I'm pricing it up....

I miss the whistling smiley.

I'll ask a girl I know at Thomas Cook.. I checked 10th to 17th March, and also 17th to 24th, nothing for both, weird how there was nothing for 17th to 24th?

If they're withholding flights until they know a date then that's ridiculous, no airline does that!

Then again that website is hopeless!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 03, 2009, 01:51:54 AM
Join a Prediction League big boy. Sign the contract. ;D

Alright saying you know - prove it in the leagues.

That's my say - 4 forum belt title wearing WDR. :)

Heard about that Welsh but im a PPV predictor only. Where the big fights are at is where you will find me . hahah...Let me see how i can join this predictions league but what if i dont know the fighters, is it ok i dont predict and will i get points deducted for that ?



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: joey_ed27 on December 03, 2009, 04:16:51 AM
Reports have it that Arums in town and will have a meeting with Manny today. 
Frankly the press has not gotten to Arum yet, which is definitely a good sign.  Keeping my fingers crossed.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: motoriser on December 03, 2009, 04:25:00 AM
Sorry about that guevara, please read above post , the one i sent to style doctor. Elite to me is being able to beat any style that is thrown in front of you and until this day i dont know if pacman can deal with a very good pure boxer that defends very well and counters all day.

Dont get me wrong , i enjoy watching pacman go to work and how he just dismantles his opponents but again i guess im just being stubborn for not calling him elite but to me that word is meant for the best of the best .
Yo brotha.
My take on Floyd vs Manny is that Manny will be facing a Bigger Version of Marquez who has a 3 inch reach advantage,much better reflex/defence,quicker jab,faster feet and most Importantly a much more accurate Right hand.
None of his past 3 opponents had a right hand.
But still I will give Mnany all Credit in the World for the way he dismantled Cotto,Ricky and Oscar.
But Mayweather is so unlike any of them.
Manny has finally met his match and stylewise Its gona be a very bad fight for him.His team know it and that's why he won't Rush to sign the Contract,until at least after the Elections.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: joey_ed27 on December 03, 2009, 07:30:17 AM
Yo brotha.
My take on Floyd vs Manny is that Manny will be facing a Bigger Version of Marquez who has a 3 inch reach advantage,much better reflex/defence,quicker jab,faster feet and most Importantly a much more accurate Right hand.
None of his past 3 opponents had a right hand.
But still I will give Mnany all Credit in the World for the way he dismantled Cotto,Ricky and Oscar.
But Mayweather is so unlike any of them.
Manny has finally met his match and stylewise Its gona be a very bad fight for him.His team know it and that's why he won't Rush to sign the Contract,until at least after the Elections.

I totally agree your comparison of Floyd to JMM.  Styles indeed makes fights  :) 

That said pointing to the elections as something that Manny has gone into so as not to rush the signing of the fight is a bit off in my view.  Mannys ambitions isnt exactly a big secret.  In the same manner that I think a long layoff wouldnt help him either.

Hopefully by tom will have new updates on this drama from Bob Arum himself ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 03, 2009, 07:50:26 AM
I still can't see March the 13th happening, it all seems so soon and rushed. Having said that the election throws a slight spanner in the works for May and October seems to far off.

I don't know what I want  ??? ??? ???

The positive at least is that it does seem the fight will be made.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 03, 2009, 09:43:05 AM
The more I think about this, the more I think maybe Floyd's being pretty cute here.  Seeing if Manny fancies fighting BEFORE his precious electioneering, by which time he may have been beaten.  Frankly, I don't think a loss to Mayweather would be that much of a setback to Pacman in boxing terms, but I wonder what it would do to his political aspirations?  Maybe PBF is sat with a sly smile on his face?  I can just see that


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 03, 2009, 09:56:36 AM
Ill wait for more news from Manilla before getting excited etc, he has said numerous times that Arum is over there for tv deals etc and they he and Manny are on opposite end of the coutry or whatever.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 03, 2009, 10:04:33 AM
Been lookin at prices on expedia for flights and hotel and usually finding around about the 550 mark is as low as im getting for anywhere i would be willing to stay, certainly seems more than usual no supprise.
The pallazo £930 each fackinell.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Tito on December 03, 2009, 10:23:08 AM
I can't see Floyd lowering himself to fighting a journeyman like Matthew Hatton. Floyd would get slaughtered for that.


Why would he fight Matthew  //

He isn't a draw in his own right, is not above domestic level and Floyd would make him look like a novice.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Fightin Irish on December 03, 2009, 11:24:07 AM
Roach said he wanted the fight on March 13 in his last interview, looks like hes got his wish!!!! ;D Now lets see if Mannys as keen!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: edmeads010 on December 03, 2009, 11:25:26 AM
By Mark Vester

According to trainer Freddie Roach, Filipino superstar Manny Pacquiao wants a 60-40 split to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum of Top Rank is in the Philippines and plans to sit down with Pacquiao to work out a deal for a Mayweather fight. Sources have said that Mayweather already agreed to a March 13 fight. But, sources within Pacquiao's camp indicate that he may not want to fight until after the May elections in the Philippines. Manny will be running for a congressional seat in the country. HBO is willing to show the fight on any date possible.

Roach told the Los Angeles Times that any talk of a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight being close to a done deal is premature.

"Manny believes he should get a 60-40 [purse] split too, because he did better in pay-per-view than Mayweather this year. Manny's the bigger draw," Roach told the paper.

Because of the elections in May, the promoters are forced to make the event on March 13 or wait until September. Prior to Pacquiao announcing his political run earlier this week, May 1 was the proposed date. Roach told the paper that he would rather have the fight in May. Arum has yet to sit down with Pacquiao to go over the terms.

"March 13 is too fast a turnaround," Roach said. "Manny has a broken
eardrum" suffered in the Cotto fight. "I'd like to have more time. I hope the fight happens, yes, but I want us to be in the best possible shape."

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=23873 (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=23873)


.....and so another Pacman negotiating saga begins???


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Fightin Irish on December 03, 2009, 11:31:05 AM
And so it starts!!!! A 60-40 is never gonna happen, for either fighter!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Tito on December 03, 2009, 11:32:20 AM
Roach said he wanted the fight on March 13 in his last interview, looks like hes got his wish!!!! ;D Now lets see if Mannys as keen!!

According to Manila Reds this fight is in Nov.
Now every source is saying March 13th or May 1st. I know this fight won't wait till Nov unless Manny delays it.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 03, 2009, 11:34:09 AM

I just knew it  ;D ;D  ;D   
50/50 is fair but this is gonna be another saga  >:(


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Fightin Irish on December 03, 2009, 11:35:14 AM
In the interview I read on Sunday, Roach said they wanted March but Floyd said he wouldnt fight til May 1st so it looked like Nov, but now if Floyds agreed to March it seems the ball is firmly in Mannys court, as Ellerbe said to Hatton, "careful what you wish for, you just may get it"!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Tito on December 03, 2009, 11:36:41 AM
60/40 ..come on  :o

He as Oscar and Hatton sharing top billing with him and 1.25 with Cotto and he feels he is worth so much. It would be interesting to see pre Oscar how many he did with David Diaz when he was holding the card up on his own..waiting for it 250k PPV buys ... // :-[. Trinidad came out of retirement and did double that so now it seems Manny as fell in love with his popularity. Its a 50/50 fight no excuses no bullshit get the papers signed or F*ck off and fight nobodies


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Red on December 03, 2009, 11:38:46 AM
To be honest,

I don't want to even read these boring threads about splits, even less so, the argument as to why one deserves more than another.





Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: deck on December 03, 2009, 11:40:13 AM
To be honest,

I don't want to even read these boring threads about splits, even less so, the argument as to why one deserves more than another.

Me either. I don't read half of them. It's not boxing. Its a boring board meeting.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: deck on December 03, 2009, 11:43:17 AM
Roach said he wanted the fight on March 13 in his last interview, looks like hes got his wish!!!! ;D Now lets see if Mannys as keen!!
Floyd is all about the money but he's nbever underprepared. He's come back very fast to get this one made which means he's more than confident in getting the job done. Forget the showmanship and cockiness. The man is a technician of the highest order in the ring so he must know he can take advantage of weaknesses.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Fightin Irish on December 03, 2009, 11:44:52 AM
Mayweather will definitely be bringing his A game, this is his defining fight, according to the Boxing press and fans, I even think you may see him going for the late stoppage in this!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 03, 2009, 11:45:46 AM
The amount of Pacquiao threads and Mayweather threads seems to be getting a little daft now.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 03, 2009, 12:19:06 PM
looks like th eparkinsons has hit freddies brain. >:( i wish he ever f*ck off interfering with this side of things and stick to what hes paid to do...train fighters.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 03, 2009, 12:29:13 PM
looks like th eparkinsons has hit freddies brain. >:( i wish he ever f*ck off interfering with this side of things and stick to what hes paid to do...train fighters.

I thought he had only said what Manny thinks and not what he thinks, thats the way i read it anyway. Both will agree to 50/50 because it would still double their money that they would make in any other fight.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 03, 2009, 12:34:28 PM
To be honest,

I don't want to even read these boring threads about splits, even less so, the argument as to why one deserves more than another.





Totally agree.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: 7777 on December 03, 2009, 01:19:40 PM
looks like th eparkinsons has hit freddies brain. >:( i wish he ever f*ck off interfering with this side of things and stick to what hes paid to do...train fighters.

 //

He was asked a question and answered it with what Manny want's, not his opinion

"Manny believes he should get a 60-40 [purse] split too, because he did better in pay-per-view than Mayweather this year"

F*ck knows what Parkinsons has to do with it

Have a -IQ for a stupid comment


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 03, 2009, 02:28:55 PM
Roach said he wanted the fight on March 13 in his last interview, looks like hes got his wish!!!! ;D Now lets see if Mannys as keen!!

Roach tested mayweather jr and kept calling him out and wanted a date in March but as soon as PBF accepted both dates, ROACH is going to find ways to delay it as much as possible because he will need more than 4 months to study mayweather videos. ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 03, 2009, 02:41:13 PM
skav surely with the money yav saved by skimmimg the milk all yr you could afford to change the flights and go out a few days earlier  ;D

ah on a serious note that would be a total disaster mate, hopefully it wont happen on ya. im also hoping it il be later on in the yr so i can get the funds up, i dont think this march 13th is suiting many fans is it??

lol, I have a packaged holiday booked for vegas so can't change flight dates at all. Bummer. I think we'll be ok, if I think about it, I'm sure this won't be happening in March.

Now, watch.....I've just jinxed us.



Roach tested mayweather jr and kept calling him out and wanted a date in March but as soon as PBF accepted both dates, ROACH is going to find ways to delay it as much as possible because he will need more than 4 months to study mayweather videos. ;D

I think it has more to do with Roach needing the time to change Manny's style rather than study Money May videos. He already did it when he trained Oscar to fight him so Roach probably knows the boring tit inside and out.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: deck on December 03, 2009, 02:47:21 PM
Mayweather will definitely be bringing his A game, this is his defining fight, according to the Boxing press and fans, I even think you may see him going for the late stoppage in this!
That's how I saw the Marquez fight going before it happened. And I have no doubt he would have gotten the stoppage if he had actually used combinations. I odn't know ehy he didn't when he's perfectly capable of inch perfect combinations form angles. Then again I think Manny's aggressiveness can only work against him with Floyd to a certain extent. Manny can't win from the outside so his only chance is to overwhelm from the inside. And he's not getting in without taking punishment.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 03, 2009, 02:52:46 PM
Look, we all know that they will eventually settle for a 50/50 split, all this screwing around is probably done on purpose to bide more time for both fighter's recovery from their fights.

And if it isn't then Manny should have the sense not to agree to anything so suddenly to make te fight happen in March after the beating that ear of his took. haha.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 03, 2009, 02:59:07 PM
//

He was asked a question and answered it with what Manny want's, not his opinion

"Manny believes he should get a 60-40 [purse] split too, because he did better in pay-per-view than Mayweather this year"

F**k knows what Parkinsons has to do with it

Have a -IQ for a stupid comment

show me the question?? //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 03, 2009, 03:18:18 PM
That's how I saw the Marquez fight going before it happened. And I have no doubt he would have gotten the stoppage if he had actually used combinations. I odn't know ehy he didn't when he's perfectly capable of inch perfect combinations form angles. Then again I think Manny's aggressiveness can only work against him with Floyd to a certain extent. Manny can't win from the outside so his only chance is to overwhelm from the inside. And he's not getting in without taking punishment.

i honestly believe and i said it at the time that mayweather wanted to get 12rounds under the belt and thats why he didnt ko marquez. jmm was prime for a ko from the 6th rd on but he decided to take wat marquez had and pick him off, using his speed reflexes and ring craft for the full 36mins making sure they wer all still there after the lay off. in the long run this will stand to him more than an early ko he could have easily got.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 03, 2009, 03:24:32 PM
By Mark Vester

According to trainer Freddie Roach, Filipino superstar Manny Pacquiao wants a 60-40 split to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr.

I also want front row seats for $ 30.00 but i have a hunch it wont happen.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Huddersfieldterrier on December 03, 2009, 03:40:09 PM
split will be 50/50

the only arguments are about size of ring, gloves and most importantly Date.

May would be best but if in novemebr great for me then id be able to go.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Tim2366 on December 03, 2009, 03:55:23 PM
a 40/60 can only work if both fighters agree that the winner takes the 60. If not this should be a 50/50.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 03, 2009, 04:03:36 PM
I've heard on the grapevine that the fight's all set apart from one problem.

Manny and Floyd are both in agreement that unless there's a halt to the boring threads about it on this site, they're not going to fight! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Red on December 03, 2009, 04:21:38 PM
BUMP


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 03, 2009, 04:23:48 PM
Thanks Red.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 03, 2009, 04:45:12 PM
Great Idea Red I was just waiting on the Manny took a dump thread and an argument erupting over the texture of said dump  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 03, 2009, 04:50:49 PM
Great Idea Red I was just waiting on the Manny took a dump thread and an argument erupting over the texture of said dump  ;D

And what colour the toilet paper was! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 03, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
Great Idea Red I was just waiting on the Manny took a dump thread and an argument erupting over the texture of said dump  ;D

I believe it was a bit lumpy with some rice in it (oops.. can I say that and not be racist?)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Sonny325 on December 03, 2009, 06:47:53 PM
Pacquiao-Mayweather: March 13 or Bust Says Bob Arum
Posted by: Ronnie Nathanielsz on 12-03-2009.

 www.boxingscene.com (http://www.boxingscene.com)

By Ronnie Nathanielsz
 
Top Rank promoter Bob Arum arrived in Manila on an early morning Philippine Airlines flight from Las Vegas with one clear message for pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and that is if he doesn’t agree to a Floyd Mayweather Jr fight on March 13, the megabuck super-fight may not happen at all.
 
Arum and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer who effectively hammered out a deal which began with a luncheon meeting on Monday in Las Vegas are sworn to secrecy until they have a final agreement, there are clear indications that they have basically come to terms.
 
Arum was expected to meet with Pacquiao sometime late on Thursday since the boxing icon arrived from General Santos and went straight to continue shooting his "Wapakman" movie and didn’t have time to even pass by the hotel to meet Arum who was waiting for him along with Pacquiao’s longtime friend and sometime confidant Rex "Wakee" Salud.
 
Arum said that he hadn’t set an appointment to meet with Pacquiao although Pacquiao knew that the promoter was arriving on Thursday morning. Arum told us, "obviously if I didn’t believe that this thing could happen I wouldn’t be here. But I haven’t talked to Manny about various things so Manny is the principal. He has to signoff on it."
 
In an exclusive interview with BoxingScene.com, insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports along with ABS-CBN’s Dyan Castillejo at the New World Hotel in Makati, Arum said "it has to be March 13 because of this crazy congressional thing" where the original proposal of a May 1 fight date would not be feasible because of Pacquiao’s bid for a seat in the House of Representatives in the May 10 elections next year.
 
Arum said "we have everything in place to get it done but we’ve got to start now." Arum indicated "there is no reason why Pacquiao wouldn’t do the fight. He trains in the months of January and February and we are not doing a tour and doing only one press conference in New York at Madison Square Garden." He said Pacquiao can go into training in Baguio City or the Wild Card gym in Los Angeles.
 
Arum said "I am not here to interfere with his political life and March 13 doesn’t." He also made it clear that if Pacquiao "let’s Mayweather off the hook now by not agreeing to the March 13 date because of politics here in this country then we are never going to get him (Mayweather) in the ring. We will give him the excuse to say ‘yeah I’ll fight anybody but look at this Pacquiao."
 
Arum said "you can make an argument that because he is running for office Manny can’t fight on May 1st but you can’t logically with a straight face make an argument for March 13."
 
The astute promoter who promoted some of Mayweather’s fights in the past said he doesn’t think Mayweather "has anything to beat him (Pacquiao) with. I think Mayweather is a very, very good defensive fighter and I think that between Freddie (Roach) and Manny they’ll find a key to be able to attack Mayweather and once Manny can attack Mayweather I don’t think Mayweather can take his punches. I look for Manny to knock him out in six or seven rounds."
 
Arum cautioned against underestimating Mayweather stating that he is a "very, very good fighter. He is probably one of the best defensive fighters that I’ve seen. But I tell you that as far as Manny Pacquiao, he will destroy Mayweather and that’s why I like the fight, my matchmaker Bruce Trampler who is about to enter the Hall of Fame and Freddie Roach likes the fight and that’s why Mayweather has been reluctant to do the fight" stressing that it is imperative for Pacquiao to agree.

 


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 03, 2009, 08:05:42 PM
Well i guess there is no more talk that pbf doesnt want pacman huh.  ;D

Wonder what the pacman fans think about this if MANNY doesnt want to fight on march 13. Its a little bit quiet from the pacman fans side , FIL , FIL , where are you ? The latest articles are giving you sore eyes ? TRUTH GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER !!  ;D  ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: PildiLagiMo on December 03, 2009, 08:10:38 PM
Well i guess there is no more talk that pbf doesnt want pacman huh.  ;D

Wonder what the pacman fans think about this if MANNY doesnt want to fight on march 13. Its a little but quiet from the pacman fans side , FIL , FIL , where are you ? The latest articles are giving you sore eyes ? TRUTH GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER !!  ;D  ;)

don't worry keegan, i'm hoping just as much as anybody that this will force pac to accept these dates. altho frankly speaking limiting it to 2 very specific dates is kinda stupid. why not just say any date between march and may.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 03, 2009, 08:22:21 PM
I believe it was a bit lumpy with some rice in it (oops.. can I say that and not be racist?)

That's riceist, not racist!  Hey, I thought of that all on my own!!   ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 03, 2009, 08:23:03 PM
don't worry keegan, i'm hoping just as much as anybody that this will force pac to accept these dates. altho frankly speaking limiting it to 2 very specific dates is kinda stupid. why not just say any date between march and may.

Ya i dont know why they want those 2 dates, and now ARUM really pulling for March 13 because that date was set for HOPKINS VS ROY JONES but we all know what happened there so its a clear path for that date now. Well we will see what pacman thinks because in the beginning it was pacmans camp that wanted that date instead of MAY 1ST.

All i care about is getting these 2 guys in the ring , im sure thats all you are hoping as well and all these negotiations back and forth is frustrating.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Formerly Known as Hitman999 on December 03, 2009, 08:48:42 PM
Ya i dont know why they want those 2 dates, and now ARUM really pulling for March 13 because that date was set for HOPKINS VS ROY JONES but we all know what happened there so its a clear path for that date now. Well we will see what pacman thinks because in the beginning it was pacmans camp that wanted that date instead of MAY 1ST.

All i care about is getting these 2 guys in the ring , im sure thats all you are hoping as well and all these negotiations back and forth is frustrating.

I believe HBO only have a PPV slot every other month i.e november, January, March, May, July, Sept the Nov etc

the july/ Sept date are most likely out as if the fight doesnt go ahead in March they will both need to fight somebody to keep active so the November date was the other date mooted earlier last week.

I personally would like the fight to be in November.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 03, 2009, 09:00:10 PM
Quote
The astute promoter who promoted some of Mayweather’s fights in the past said he doesn’t think Mayweather "has anything to beat him (Pacquiao) with. I think Mayweather is a very, very good defensive fighter and I think that between Freddie (Roach) and Manny they’ll find a key to be able to attack Mayweather and once Manny can attack Mayweather I don’t think Mayweather can take his punches. I look for Manny to knock him out in six or seven rounds."
 
Arum cautioned against underestimating Mayweather stating that he is a "very, very good fighter. He is probably one of the best defensive fighters that I’ve seen. But I tell you that as far as Manny Pacquiao, he will destroy Mayweather and that’s why I like the fight, my matchmaker Bruce Trampler who is about to enter the Hall of Fame and Freddie Roach likes the fight and that’s why Mayweather has been reluctant to do the fight" stressing that it is imperative for Pacquiao to agree.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Arum is one soooooooooooooooooooooore loser isn't he? He lost Floyd and all that ability to make some good money.  //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 03, 2009, 09:02:36 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Arum is one soooooooooooooooooooooore loser isn't he? He lost Floyd and all that ability to make some good money.  //

Well I reckon he's made enough cash over the years anyway.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Marks1 on December 04, 2009, 07:19:49 AM
Quote
Words coming from Manila indicate that pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao has finally met with his promoter Bob Arum at the New World Renaissance Hotel in Makati more than an hour ago (13:00 Manila time).
 

While the world awaited with bated breath, Arum was left wondering the whole day yesterday if he will be able to meet his prized ward to discuss the biggest fight in boxing, Pacquiao vs Mayweather, when Pacquiao, after arriving in Manila from General Santos yesterday afternoon, snubbed his promoter and went directly to a location to shoot the remaining scenes of his upcoming movie 'Wapakman'.

Pacquiao emerged from the hotel room composed and relaxed after the meeting with Arum but would not say what was agreed, if any, according to the source.

Arum has scheduled a press conference with ABS-CBN this afternoon to announce the partnership between Arum's company, Top Rank, and Philippine network giant ABS-CBN. It is expected that Arum will also announce what had transpired with his meeting with the Filipino boxing hero.


http://philboxing.com/news/story-30732.html (http://philboxing.com/news/story-30732.html)

I am praying it isn't gonna be March 13th. That is the only weekend for the whole of next year that i can't get time off work.  >:(


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Fightin Irish on December 04, 2009, 07:43:51 AM
By Robert Jackson - It's been reported by a few boxing scribes (Dan Rafael) and websites that Mayweather vs Pacquiao is a done deal! Bob Arum is in the Phillipines today to finalize the deal with Pacquiao himself. After arriving in Manilla Arum was quoted as saying in part that Mayweather has been RELUCTANT to do the fight for fear he may be KO'd and afterwards saying that's why it is imperative for Pacquiao to sign for the fight??

Sounds like double speak to me since Mayweather in principle has already accepted Pacquiao's terms to fight! For Mayweather's part he stepped up and accepted the ultimatum put out by Freddie Roach saying March 2010 or else...they'll fight Yuri Foreman.. Just today other news about the fight has the venue narrowed down to Dallas and Las Vegas. Also Freddie Roach is now saying that Pacquiao needs more time to heal his busted right eardrum so the fight may not take place in March.

Some fans are wondering about Team Pacquiao's intentions right about now considering it was his side that made the ultimatum towards Mayweather for a March 2010 fight rather than May 2010. This ultimatum supersedes an earlier proclamation by Roach who said he would need more time to prepare Pacquiao for Mayweather and that May 2010 would be better. Then came the ultimatum with Roach changing his mind saying that Mayweather really doesn't want to fight Pacquao and if he does he better accept the fight for March 2010. Mayweather DID accept!

With all of this information in Mayweather is now being lambasted for accepting the fight, the reason, he's trying to take advantage of Pacquiao's ear injury, not giving Pacquiao time to heal. Before accepting this fight he was being lambasted for not accepting the fight. Others are lambasting Team Pacquiao for putting out the ultimatum and not following thru on their end of it because as of yet Pacquiao's intentions are unknown. Just last week Bernard Hopkins prophesized that Mayweather/Pacquiao or if you like Pacquiao/ Mayweather won't be made and that Mayweather/Mosley WILL be made. If this turns out to be the case, it will be Maweather's fault that a fight against Pacquiao didn't materialize. But will we be cheated seeing Money and Sugar mix it up??

With most of the latest news reported already, 'the world awaits' the decision of the '#1/numero uno' P4P fighter Manny Pacquiao

www.spamsideboxing.com (http://www.spamsideboxing.com)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 04, 2009, 08:07:43 AM
By Robert Jackson - It's been reported by a few boxing scribes (Dan Rafael) and websites that Mayweather vs Pacquiao is a done deal! Bob Arum is in the Phillipines today to finalize the deal with Pacquiao himself. After arriving in Manilla Arum was quoted as saying in part that Mayweather has been RELUCTANT to do the fight for fear he may be KO'd and afterwards saying that's why it is imperative for Pacquiao to sign for the fight??

Sounds like double speak to me since Mayweather in principle has already accepted Pacquiao's terms to fight! For Mayweather's part he stepped up and accepted the ultimatum put out by Freddie Roach saying March 2010 or else...they'll fight Yuri Foreman.. Just today other news about the fight has the venue narrowed down to Dallas and Las Vegas. Also Freddie Roach is now saying that Pacquiao needs more time to heal his busted right eardrum so the fight may not take place in March.

Some fans are wondering about Team Pacquiao's intentions right about now considering it was his side that made the ultimatum towards Mayweather for a March 2010 fight rather than May 2010. This ultimatum supersedes an earlier proclamation by Roach who said he would need more time to prepare Pacquiao for Mayweather and that May 2010 would be better. Then came the ultimatum with Roach changing his mind saying that Mayweather really doesn't want to fight Pacquao and if he does he better accept the fight for March 2010. Mayweather DID accept!

With all of this information in Mayweather is now being lambasted for accepting the fight, the reason, he's trying to take advantage of Pacquiao's ear injury, not giving Pacquiao time to heal. Before accepting this fight he was being lambasted for not accepting the fight. Others are lambasting Team Pacquiao for putting out the ultimatum and not following thru on their end of it because as of yet Pacquiao's intentions are unknown. Just last week Bernard Hopkins prophesized that Mayweather/Pacquiao or if you like Pacquiao/ Mayweather won't be made and that Mayweather/Mosley WILL be made. If this turns out to be the case, it will be Maweather's fault that a fight against Pacquiao didn't materialize. But will we be cheated seeing Money and Sugar mix it up??

With most of the latest news reported already, 'the world awaits' the decision of the '#1/numero uno' P4P fighter Manny Pacquiao

www.***.com ([url]http://www[/url].***.com)


Roach had already said he wanted more time to prepare for Floyd. Floyd called his bluff on the March date and now Roach and Manny's team are looking for new excuses. You telling me that an ear cannot fully heal in over 4 months time ? Maybe his trainer should get him some more "supplements" to help him out with that lol.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Sonny325 on December 04, 2009, 08:20:40 AM
Check out this site - fits in nicley with this topic ;D

http://pacquiao-vs-mayweather.cebuspace.com/ (http://pacquiao-vs-mayweather.cebuspace.com/)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 04, 2009, 09:00:26 AM
Roach had already said he wanted more time to prepare for Floyd. Floyd called his bluff on the March date and now Roach and Manny's team are looking for new excuses. You telling me that an ear cannot fully heal in over 4 months time ? Maybe his trainer should get him some more "supplements" to help him out with that lol.

Also, there's much being made of 'Roach said this, Roach said that', but I have yet to be convinced that Roach is actually in the loop when it comes to these negotiations?  Arum finds it difficult enough to maintain contact with Pacquiao when he's back in his homeland, and Roach is the trainer, not promoter.  Where's he get his authority to stipulate all the stuff we're reading? 


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 04, 2009, 09:10:26 AM
Also, there's much being made of 'Roach said this, Roach said that', but I have yet to be convinced that Roach is actually in the loop when it comes to these negotiations?  Arum finds it difficult enough to maintain contact with Pacquiao when he's back in his homeland, and Roach is the trainer, not promoter.  Where's he get his authority to stipulate all the stuff we're reading? 

Don't ask me... people are always asking, and Roach is always telling them as if he is the one who is the boss... Roach was the one who had to call Floyd out after the Cotto fight after they asked Manny several times and he didn't give an answer, and then finally Manny just simply responded "yeah" when they asked him if he wanted to fight Floyd. I mean if he wants to fight him then great, it's what we all want to see, but step up and say what you want.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: joey_ed27 on December 04, 2009, 09:43:46 AM
Don't ask me... people are always asking, and Roach is always telling them as if he is the one who is the boss... Roach was the one who had to call Floyd out after the Cotto fight after they asked Manny several times and he didn't give an answer, and then finally Manny just simply responded "yeah" when they asked him if he wanted to fight Floyd. I mean if he wants to fight him then great, it's what we all want to see, but step up and say what you want.

As far a I could remember he didnt call out Morales, Barrera, Marquez, Diaz, DelaHoya, Hatton, nor Cotto.  Just not his style... but we all know what happened afterwards right.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 04, 2009, 09:49:14 AM
haha he has gone and got a new tattoo as well

http://pacquiao-vs-mayweather.cebuspace.com/2009/12/04/pacquiao-gets-inked-up-aims-new-meteor-tattoo-on-floyd-mayweather-jr/ (http://pacquiao-vs-mayweather.cebuspace.com/2009/12/04/pacquiao-gets-inked-up-aims-new-meteor-tattoo-on-floyd-mayweather-jr/)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thepowerdavies on December 04, 2009, 10:16:42 AM
Check out this site - fits in nicley with this topic ;D

[url]http://pacquiao-vs-mayweather.cebuspace.com/[/url] ([url]http://pacquiao-vs-mayweather.cebuspace.com/[/url])



Seems to cover just about every angle!! Im done with getting my hopes up after every article. Its tough but il believe when its signed.



 


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: blow_jab on December 04, 2009, 10:50:41 AM
Napapayag na umano ni Top Rank promoter Bob Arum si Filipino pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao sa mga kondisyon kaugnay sa nilulutong laban nito kay No.2  boxer Floyd Maywether, Jr.

Matapos ang ginawang pag-uusap ng dalawa sa isang hotel sa Makati ngayong hapon, inihayag ni Arum na okay na para kay Manny ang working date ng laban sa March 13, 2010, para bigyang konsiderasyon ang paghahanda naman ng WBO welterweight champion sa May 2010 elections.

Ngayong hapon din ay nakatakdang bumalik ng Las Vegas si Arum para naman ipaalam sa kampo ni Mayweather at Golden Boy Promotions ang resulta ng pag-uusap nila ni Manny.

Nakatakda namang magkakaroon ng formal announcement si Arum hinggil sa iba pang detalye ng Pacquiao vs Mayweather mega-fight sa December 8, kasabay ng kaniyang kaarawan.

Translation: after a brief talk in makati, arum said that manny has agreed with the proposed march fight date. Yet the contract has to be inked by both pugilists. The details regarding the fight will be announced by arum on his natal day.

  http://www.bomboradyo.com/sports.asp?ID=121719


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Marks1 on December 04, 2009, 11:08:12 AM
Napapayag na umano ni Top Rank promoter Bob Arum si Filipino pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao sa mga kondisyon kaugnay sa nilulutong laban nito kay No.2  boxer Floyd Maywether, Jr.

Matapos ang ginawang pag-uusap ng dalawa sa isang hotel sa Makati ngayong hapon, inihayag ni Arum na okay na para kay Manny ang working date ng laban sa March 13, 2010, para bigyang konsiderasyon ang paghahanda naman ng WBO welterweight champion sa May 2010 elections.

Ngayong hapon din ay nakatakdang bumalik ng Las Vegas si Arum para naman ipaalam sa kampo ni Mayweather at Golden Boy Promotions ang resulta ng pag-uusap nila ni Manny.

Nakatakda namang magkakaroon ng formal announcement si Arum hinggil sa iba pang detalye ng Pacquiao vs Mayweather mega-fight sa December 8, kasabay ng kaniyang kaarawan.

Translation: after a brief talk in makati, arum said that manny has agreed with the proposed march fight date. Yet the contract has to be inked by both pugilists. The details regarding the fight will be announced by arum on his natal day.

  [url]http://www.bomboradyo.com/sports.asp?ID=121719[/url]


IQ mate, cheers. Looks like i'll be watching on SBO.  :'(


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 04, 2009, 11:09:48 AM
What's a natal day?!  ???


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 11:18:35 AM
http://abs-cbnnews.com/sports/12/04/09/arum-gives-smile-pacman-mayweather-bout (http://abs-cbnnews.com/sports/12/04/09/arum-gives-smile-pacman-mayweather-bout)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Red on December 04, 2009, 11:39:09 AM
BREAKING NEWS

Pacquiao running for congress.

Mayweather will fight him in March or later in the year.

THE END.


** news just in, apparently some haggling over splits is coming in and Freddie says "We can beat Mayweather" in 27 different phrases.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 04, 2009, 11:39:35 AM
No mention of the venue either ...i know its selfish but hope its vegas and not dallas

[url]http://abs-cbnnews.com/sports/12/04/09/arum-gives-smile-pacman-mayweather-bout[/url] ([url]http://abs-cbnnews.com/sports/12/04/09/arum-gives-smile-pacman-mayweather-bout[/url])


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Chris on December 04, 2009, 11:41:03 AM
BREAKING NEWS

Pacquiao running for congress.

Mayweather will fight him in March or later in the year.

THE END.


** news just in, apparently some haggling over splits is coming in and Freddie says "We can beat Mayweather" in 27 different phrases.



 ;D

Well it is the biggest fight for years mate, it's bound to be the most talked about topic!

Going off that latest report it seems March 13th is a goer..

I'll learn some line dancing from my dad if it's in Texas.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Floydman on December 04, 2009, 11:44:37 AM

I'll learn some line dancing from my dad if it's in Texas.


you do realise that doesn't mean do a line and then go dancing, dont you Chris?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 04, 2009, 11:55:03 AM
BREAKING NEWS

Pacquiao running for congress.

Mayweather will fight him in March or later in the year.

THE END.


** news just in, apparently some haggling over splits is coming in and Freddie says "We can beat Mayweather" in 27 different phrases.



dont come onto the thread red, its quite simple really  ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Red on December 04, 2009, 12:00:43 PM
dont come onto the thread red, its quite simple really  ;)

Point taken  ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Red on December 04, 2009, 12:01:45 PM

I'll learn some line dancing from my dad if it's in Texas.


Texas is bandit country.

You'll be fine.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Chris on December 04, 2009, 12:07:45 PM
Texas is bandit country.

You'll be fine.

Redneck  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: ManilaReds on December 04, 2009, 12:19:51 PM
Socrates, you have mail, it's time to go to work my friend



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 04, 2009, 12:46:35 PM
Socrates, you have mail, it's time to go to work my friend



Legend.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 04, 2009, 01:18:02 PM
What's a natal day?!  ???

I thought that too!  Natal  =  Birth.  So natal day  =  Birthday?  It's all I can come up with anyway!  When the fook's his birthday?   ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 04, 2009, 01:22:46 PM
17th december


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 04, 2009, 03:02:22 PM
8th of December it is and they will talk venues in dallas on 10th dec according to box scene

Tickets may end up being sold pre xmas which would be a heavy cost

17th december


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: marty-rh on December 04, 2009, 03:07:47 PM
just an idea, what do you think about having a Temporary Manny V Floyd discussion board instead of the one topic?? just a thought


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: CelticHiggo on December 04, 2009, 03:11:20 PM
  Pacman agrees to fight Mayweather




Filipino boxing sensation Manny Pacquiao has agreed in principle to battle Floyd Mayweather, Jr. on March 13. This was confirmed by Pacquiao’s lawyer Jeng Gacal in an interview with Fightnews moments ago. Friday night, Pacquiao went on air via GMA-7’s “24 Oras” newscast and said he is willing to fight Pacquiao on the said date. “He’s been trash talking too much and I want to put a stop to it. I don’t want kids who are watching us to emulate him,” said Pacquiao.

Gacal meantime added that Pacquiao seems satisfied with the offer presented to him by American promoter Bob Arum in their meeting Friday afternoon at the Renaissance Hotel.

Pacquiao reportedly wants some minor details to be ironed out by Arum for the Filipino pound for pound king to finally sign the dotted line.

Gacal said Pacquiao was agreeable to the March 13 face-off as it will still give him ample time to prepare for his Sarangani congressional bid in the May 10, 2010 elections.

Early this week the camp of Mayweather made an own announcement indicating their readiness to fight Pacquiao either on March 13 or May 1.

Thursday morning Arum arrived from Las Vegas and was able to sit down with Pacquiao after waiting for nearly a day just to get a schedule with the Filipino sensation.

Earlier in a press conference announcing the Philippine TV partnership between Top Rank and ABS-CBN, Arum refused to reveal any detail about his meeting with Pacquiao except that it turned out to be fruitful.

“You guys can interpret that anyway you want. But you see a smile on my face so I’m not disappointed,” said Arum. “Now my job is to go back to the United States, sit with Richard Schaefer (CEO of Golden Boy Promotions) and the Mayweather people… so that we can make an announcement in a short term.”









Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Alba on December 04, 2009, 03:14:41 PM
is anyone like me were they wanna go ,but cant afford it cos its too soon to save up ? :-[

still glas the fight is being made though,hope there is a rematch ! ^-^


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 04, 2009, 03:20:50 PM
Have the package for a week in March on my expedia account awaiting for it to be confirmed and the booking button shall be getting pressed.

The money is sitting in my bank account waiting for this, opened up a new account to save £££ for my ticket which am well on my way with.

Bring it on!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: marty-rh on December 04, 2009, 03:27:30 PM
Have the package for a week in March on my expedia account awaiting for it to be confirmed and the booking button shall be getting pressed.

The money is sitting in my bank account waiting for this, opened up a new account to save £££ for my ticket which am well on my way with.

Bring it on!!
who are you booking through?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 04, 2009, 03:32:32 PM
who are you booking through?

Have checked the following sites...expedia was given you 8th-15th March in the MGM Grand for £715.

And the other was letsgo2lasvegas.com which was given you 8th-March in NYNY for £650.

I have checked the second site out and it is legit as it is IATA legit and all the usual airline compliences.

Am very fortunate to have the dosh sitting there to book, lost my grandfather a few months back and a bit of ££££ was left for me.

Thanks Pops!!!  ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 04, 2009, 03:35:45 PM
Top Rank big boss Bob Arum heads back to the United States Saturday ready to bear the good news to the camp of Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Arum said he plans to immediately resume negotiations with Golden Boy Promotions executive Richard Schaefer now that Manny Pacquiao personally agreed for a March 13 showdown with Mayweather Jr.

“My next step is to go back to the U.S. to meet with the Mayweather people to finalize all the arrangements," he said.

Schaefer is the person that the Mayweather camp allowed to negotiate the mouth-watering fight on their behalf.

In the event the bout is finalized for March 13, a major press conference will be held in January, although Arum said the traditional multi-city promotional tour to hype up the fight may be forego owing to time constraints.

At the same time, the 78-year old promoter urged Pacquiao’s opponent, candidate Roy Chongbian, who will be running against the pound-for-pound king for the lone congressional seat of Saranggani, to make the ultimate sacrifice.

“I think his opponent would do everybody a service to the great country of the Philippines by withdrawing from the race so it could take Manny’s mind off politics, but that’s just my opinion.

“I am not a Filipino and I can’t tell everyone what to do, but this guy Manny is running against should do everybody a favor," Arum added.

Pacquiao agreed to the proposed welterweight fight with the 32-year old Mayweather on March 13, now considered as one of boxing’s biggest fights ever.

Pacquiao and Arum met early in the day and talked about the bout that may well go down as the richest off all time, although Arum didn’t disclose what transpired during the talk other than say that “you can see a smile on my face and that means I am not disappointed."

The purse both fighters would be receiving have also remained undisclosed, but GMA 7 reporter Chino Trinidad bared Pacquiao is going to get not less than $30 million for the fight. – GMANews.TV



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: CelticHiggo on December 04, 2009, 03:37:26 PM
Have checked the following sites...expedia was given you 8th-15th March in the MGM Grand for £715.

And the other was letsgo2lasvegas.com which was given you 8th-March in NYNY for £650.

I have checked the second site out and it is legit as it is IATA legit and all the usual airline compliences.

Am very fortunate to have the dosh sitting there to book, lost my grandfather a few months back and a bit of ££££ was left for me.

Thanks Pops!!!  ;)

Both my Grandads are dead so might have to organise someone to take out the Granny.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 04, 2009, 03:42:07 PM
MANILA, Philippines (AP)—Manny Pacquiao is likely to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. on March 13 after agreeing to a proposal from promoter Bob Arum on Friday.

Arum presented “what he thought was the best proposal he can bring” during a two-hour breakfast meeting with Pacquiao in Manila, said Michael Koncz, an adviser of the Philippine boxing idol.

“Manny has some additional requirements, requests, which Arum didn’t think was a problem,” Koncz said. “The requests of Manny were so realistic that Arum doesn’t feel it’s a problem and it’s pretty much a done deal.”
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He said the contract still needs “fine tuning,” declining to elaborate.

“We all believe that it will be done,” he said.

In an interview with GMA television, Pacquiao said, “March 13 is OK.”

“The difference between Floyd and others I have fought is that Floyd makes a lot of trash talk that should not be imitated by young people,” he said.

Arum could not be reached for comment.

Koncz, who is in charge of Pacquiao’s boxing promotion company in Nevada, said Pacquiao is “very comfortable” with the date.

Pacquiao is running for a congressional seat in May 2010 elections and official campaigning won’t start before April.

If the bout goes ahead, it will match two men regarded as the best pound-for-pound fighters.

Boxing fans have been looking forward to a super fight between Pacquiao and the undefeated Mayweather after the Filipino champion defeated Miguel Cotto last month.

The March 13 date comes four months after the Cotto fight—a shorter period of time than the six months after Pacquiao defeated Ricky Hatton. But Koncz said it will be enough time for Pacquiao to get back in shape.

“Nobody knows his body better than Manny,” he said. “If Manny feels that that’s plenty of time to rest and recover, then you know, he has to do what he feels is right.”

He said Pacquiao “cannot train for more than seven weeks.”

If the fight is made, there would likely be a Jan. 11 press conference in New York to announce it. The bout could be the richest ever, assuming pay-per-view projections are accurate.

Representatives of the Superdome in New Orleans and the new Dallas Cowboys’ stadium have expressed interest in hosting the fight, as has the MGM Grand hotel-casino in Las Vegas, where the fighters have fought their biggest fights. There is also a proposal for a 30,000-seat temporary stadium on the Las Vegas Strip across from the Wynn resort.

Oddsmakers are already taking bets on the fight, with most making Mayweather a slight favorite.

----

This is personal now...  ;D Good luck Floyd!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 03:56:25 PM
MANILA, Philippines (AP)—Manny Pacquiao is likely to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. on March 13 after agreeing to a proposal from promoter Bob Arum on Friday.

Arum presented “what he thought was the best proposal he can bring” during a two-hour breakfast meeting with Pacquiao in Manila, said Michael Koncz, an adviser of the Philippine boxing idol.

“Manny has some additional requirements, requests, which Arum didn’t think was a problem,” Koncz said. “The requests of Manny were so realistic that Arum doesn’t feel it’s a problem and it’s pretty much a done deal.”
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He said the contract still needs “fine tuning,” declining to elaborate.

“We all believe that it will be done,” he said.

In an interview with GMA television, Pacquiao said, “March 13 is OK.”

“The difference between Floyd and others I have fought is that Floyd makes a lot of trash talk that should not be imitated by young people,” he said.

Arum could not be reached for comment.

Koncz, who is in charge of Pacquiao’s boxing promotion company in Nevada, said Pacquiao is “very comfortable” with the date.

Pacquiao is running for a congressional seat in May 2010 elections and official campaigning won’t start before April.

If the bout goes ahead, it will match two men regarded as the best pound-for-pound fighters.

Boxing fans have been looking forward to a super fight between Pacquiao and the undefeated Mayweather after the Filipino champion defeated Miguel Cotto last month.

The March 13 date comes four months after the Cotto fight—a shorter period of time than the six months after Pacquiao defeated Ricky Hatton. But Koncz said it will be enough time for Pacquiao to get back in shape.

“Nobody knows his body better than Manny,” he said. “If Manny feels that that’s plenty of time to rest and recover, then you know, he has to do what he feels is right.”

He said Pacquiao “cannot train for more than seven weeks.”

If the fight is made, there would likely be a Jan. 11 press conference in New York to announce it. The bout could be the richest ever, assuming pay-per-view projections are accurate.

Representatives of the Superdome in New Orleans and the new Dallas Cowboys’ stadium have expressed interest in hosting the fight, as has the MGM Grand hotel-casino in Las Vegas, where the fighters have fought their biggest fights. There is also a proposal for a 30,000-seat temporary stadium on the Las Vegas Strip across from the Wynn resort.

Oddsmakers are already taking bets on the fight, with most making Mayweather a slight favorite.

----

This is personal now...  ;D Good luck Floyd!


LOL I hope PBF didn't expect Manny to duck him, Manny's a fighter not a runner! no pun intended!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 04, 2009, 04:04:33 PM

LOL I hope PBF didn't expect Manny to duck him, Manny's a fighter not a runner! no pun intended!  ;D


I hope not fil,   if he did we may see some back peddling from him now  :o


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 04, 2009, 04:05:39 PM

LOL I hope PBF didn't expect Manny to duck him, Manny's a fighter not a runner! no pun intended!  ;D


man vs boy  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 04:07:50 PM
I hope not fil,   if he did we may see some back peddling from him now  :o

Yup, let's hope Mayweather will keep his word in fighting on that date of March 13th he already has more rest time than Pac will have. I mean Pac only fought in Nov. and now he's willing to fight him in March while Floyd has had 3 months rest already. Pac is really living up to his saying "I'll fight anybody, anytime and anywhere!"  :) ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 04:09:06 PM
man vs boy  ;D

the fighter vs the runner!!! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: CelticHiggo on December 04, 2009, 04:11:31 PM
This fight seems to be coming together a bit too easy.Hopefully it stays this way.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 04:11:48 PM
News video report about Pac agreeing to fight PBF this coming March 13th! :)

http://www.gmanews.tv/largevideo/related/51688/qtv-pacquiao-mayweather-bout-set-march-13-2010 (http://www.gmanews.tv/largevideo/related/51688/qtv-pacquiao-mayweather-bout-set-march-13-2010)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Neil on December 04, 2009, 04:12:58 PM
This fight seems to be coming together a bit too easy.Hopefully it stays this way.

Thats what I was thinking


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 04, 2009, 04:16:32 PM
I'm not booking owt til someone tells me where it is! The crucial info that is missing.....  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Sonny325 on December 04, 2009, 04:18:02 PM
I think i will wait for official announcement as to where it will be as well- though i will start getting some prices vor vegas etc ;D Just in case


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 04, 2009, 04:21:47 PM
I'm not booking owt til someone tells me where it is! The crucial info that is missing.....  ;D

I've already told you, it's at Robin Park.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 04, 2009, 04:23:02 PM
I've already told you, it's at Robin Park.

Wigan Travelodge it is then!  ;D  ;) Will Lenny Henry be there do you think?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 04, 2009, 04:29:28 PM
Wigan Travelodge it is then!  ;D  ;) Will Lenny Henry be there do you think?

I still have occasional nightmares about the advert where he is in the bath.

Way too much nipple shown.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 04:30:54 PM
Mayweather Wants Pacquiao at 154? Wants 10oz Gloves?  :o :-\
Posted by: Mark Vester on 12-04-2009.

 
By Mark Vester

As reported earlier by BoxingScene.com's Ronnie Nathanielsz, WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao met with Top Rank's Bob Arum and signed off on a deal to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. on March 13, 2010. Arum told BoxingScene there would be some minor fine tuning of the contract terms but nothing that would stand in the way of fight going forward.

According to Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach, who spoke with Sky Sports, Mayweather is looking for 10oz gloves and a fight weight of 154-pounds. Pacquiao's side wants 8oz gloves and a weight limit of 147. Roach says the issues with the gloves and weight will be worked out. Roach will use WBA junior welterweight champ Amir Khan as Pacquiao's main sparring partner for the fight.

"We talked to Arum and he had the March date and May 1 available and Manny chose the earlier date because of the elections in the Phillipines, and I can't wait to get started," Roach told Sky Sports News. "It'll be the biggest fight of all time, the biggest pay-per-view event of all time and my main sparring partner will be Amir Khan."

"There's always negotiations, like he [Mayweather] wants 10oz gloves we want 8oz gloves, stuff like that, the weight he wants is 154lb, we want 147, so there's some issues but I think it can be solved. It's a tough fight because his style does give us difficulties, and we need to draft a plan for a new strategy. Yes, it's a tough fight but it's a fight Manny wants."

Link: http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=23910 (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=23910)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 04, 2009, 04:32:47 PM
I still have occasional nightmares about the advert where he is in the bath.

Way too much nipple shown.

Eeew yes. Carlton Palmer is better.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Huddersfieldterrier on December 04, 2009, 04:37:05 PM
easy solution to that is fight at 147 with 10oz gloves!



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 04:40:35 PM
easy solution to that is fight at 147 with 10oz gloves!



LOL but no, mayweather wants it at 154! typical PBF though!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 04, 2009, 04:51:00 PM
I dont know whether to take Roach seriously when he says 154?Surely not!How can Mayweather justify that! Anyway, as I said, I think it might be a blatent lie.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 04, 2009, 04:53:46 PM
LOL but no, mayweather wants it at 154! typical PBF though!  ;D

He can weight as heavy as he wants. He can even bring his sh!t talking father with him. Oh, and he can also bring M4U and TheTruth with him. Pac will take care of them easy. One shot, just one shot!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 04:59:12 PM
He can weight as heavy as he wants. He can even bring his sh!t talking father with him. Oh, and he can also bring M4U and TheTruth with him. Pac will take care of them easy. One shot, just one shot!  ;D

PBF can run in the ring but he can't hide, sooner or later Pac will get to him!  ;D ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 04:59:58 PM
I dont know whether to take Roach seriously when he says 154?Surely not!How can Mayweather justify that! Anyway, as I said, I think it might be a blatent lie.

I hope it ain't true either because if it is, I can't imagine how any of the die hard PBF fans can even defend him with a demand like this.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 04, 2009, 05:16:33 PM
i wonder if he is struggling at the weight , what with coming in at 147 against marquez where he was supposed to be lighter. Somethings not right


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 05:30:15 PM
i wonder if he is struggling at the weight , what with coming in at 147 against marquez where he was supposed to be lighter. Somethings not right

if he can't make the 147 welterweight limit then maybe he should just move to light middle and fight Paul Williams instead of fighting Pac who's never fought at 154 before. Pac has already agreed to a welterweight limit and no catchweight so the ball is in PBF's court.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 04, 2009, 05:34:46 PM
if he can't make the 147 welterweight limit then maybe he should just move to light middle and fight Paul Williams instead of fighting Pac who's never fought at 154 before. Pac has already agreed to a welterweight limit and no catchweight so the ball is in PBF's court.

i agree mate but i just cant understand why he would ask for this. he isnt a 154 fighter


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 05:35:46 PM
i agree mate but i just cant understand why he would ask for this. he isnt a 154 fighter

maybe he figures it will work to his advantage against Pac?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 04, 2009, 05:37:45 PM
if he can't make the 147 welterweight limit then maybe he should just move to light middle and fight Paul Williams instead of fighting Pac who's never fought at 154 before. Pac has already agreed to a welterweight limit and no catchweight so the ball is in PBF's court.

He may even fake another injury just so that the fight will be moved to May where Pac will definitely turn down because of the election.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 04, 2009, 05:37:54 PM
maybe he figures it will work to his advantage against Pac?

quick question fil, as you are obviously a massive pac fan have you ever been lucky enough to meet him, someone with your passion for him surely deserves to one day


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 05:40:59 PM
quick question fil, as you are obviously a massive pac fan have you ever been lucky enough to meet him, someone with your passion for him surely deserves to one day

not really bro, I almost did in the Pac vs Diaz fight. I'm just happy he put philippine boxing on the world stage and has opened the door to alot of other filipino boxers to land fights in the states.  :) ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 04, 2009, 05:47:34 PM
not really bro, I almost did in the Pac vs Diaz fight. I'm just happy he put philippine boxing on the world stage and has opened the door to alot of other filipino boxers to land fights in the states.  :) ;)

almost?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 04, 2009, 06:13:48 PM
If the whole 154 thing comes off which i doubt it will then i honestly dont think i would go to be honest, and i would lose a hell of alot of respect for Floyd.
147 am there, 154 no thanks.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: ralphy on December 04, 2009, 06:36:13 PM
At this stage it's all posturing for the best deal I recon :)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 04, 2009, 06:38:46 PM
I hope it ain't true either because if it is, I can't imagine how any of the die hard PBF fans can even defend him with a demand like this.

Just thinking Fil, Floyds arguemtn will be simple though if you think about it. You where willing to fight Foreman at this weight why not me?
I am not for a minute defending this but in a way it is team Pac's own doing by naming a higer weight as a different option.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 04, 2009, 06:50:13 PM
Just thinking Fil, Floyds arguemtn will be simple though if you think about it. You where willing to fight Foreman at this weight why not me?
I am not for a minute defending this but in a way it is team Pac's own doing by naming a higer weight as a different option.

no, it's never team Pac's fault... didn't you know that?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Sonny325 on December 04, 2009, 06:51:48 PM
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The toughest fight of Floyd Mayweather's career is reportedly set for March 13.
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As Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather inch closer towards a proposed mega-fight -- Mayweather has already agreed to terms and the AP reported on Friday that Pacquiao, who hosted Top Rank promoter Bob Arum in the Philippines this week, has also accepted the deal -- several key points are coming into focus.

The agreed-upon date is March 13. The weight, according to an industry source, will be the 147-pound welterweight limit. And the venue? Eh, that's not so clear.

Major cities across the country are clamoring for the opportunity to host Pacquiao-Mayweather, arguably the biggest fight in more than a decade and one that represents 10 of millions in revenue for the winning city.

The usual -- along with a few unusual -- suspects have already lined up. Las Vegas, home to the majority of major fights, has the MGM Grand and Mandalay Bay properties ready to go, and has proposed erecting a 30,000-seat outdoor stadium on Las Vegas Boulevard to accommodate the expected demand for tickets.

Executives from the Staples Center in Los Angeles have expressed interest.

New York officials have lobbied to hold the fight in the new Yankee Stadium.

In Dallas, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has spoken with Arum about putting the fight in his new $1.3 billion, 111,000-seat Cowboy Stadium.

But there is one venue that has intrigued representatives from both Pacquiao's and Mayweather's camps: New Orleans.

Though not generally thought of as a boxing hotbed -- the last fight of any significance in the Big Easy was Roy Jones Jr.'s light heavyweight title fight against Eric Harding in 2000 -- the city does have a rich history. The first heavyweight title fight in recorded history between Jem Mace and Tom Allen took place in nearby Rivertown. In 1978, the Superdome was the host when Muhammad Ali reclaimed the heavyweight title from Leon Spinks to become the first three-time heavyweight champ in history. Two years later, it was the site of the infamous "No Mas" fight between Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leonard, which ended with Duran imploring the referee to step in and end his punishment.

The city also has a heavyweight advocate James Carville, a former White House advisor-turned-political analyst, who has been burning up the phone lines promoting his hometown.

"I've let the parties involved know that we would like to make a presentation," Carville said in a telephone interview. "Down here, we have a lot to offer."

Carville's pitch emphasizes New Orleans' ability to not only host a fight, but also a major event. Mardi Gras, Jazz Fest, Voodoo Fest and the Essence Festival are hosted annually by the city, and the NBA's 2008 All-Star game in New Orleans was so successful that the league is contemplating going back in the near future.

"If [the promoters] are looking at it just as a fight, we make as much sense as anyplace else," said Carville. If they are looking at it as an event, we make more sense than anywhere else. We can do a lot of creative things and we can do a better job of making it an entire event."

Still, money talks in boxing and though New Orleans could pack a sizeable crowd into the Superdome (a spokesman for the stadium said 70,000 seats could be available for the fight), Louisiana's six-percent income tax looms as a major obstacle. Neither Nevada nor Texas has a state income tax, and Arum told SI.com recently that any city hosting this fight would have to be a tax-free zone.

"It doesn't make sense otherwise," said Arum.

To that end, Carville has worked with representatives from Governor Bobby Jindal's office to come up with enough tax credits to make the city palatable or to waive the tax entirely.

"I've talked with enough people to feel pretty comfortable saying we can get [the tax issue] done."

Carville says that when negotiations for the fight location begin in earnest, it should be a public process.

"I think that the best thing for the sport would be to open up the process," Carville said. "Everyone should make their pitches public. That kind of openness would create a whole different mood around this event. Let Dallas talk about what they have to offer. Let Las Vegas. Let us. These two athletes deserve a hell of exhibition. Let's give it to them."

Handicapping The Venues
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 Las Vegas
Site: MGM Grand Garden Arena, Mandalay Bay or temporary site
Odds: 3-1  
 
 
The last event of this size in Vegas -- the 2007 NBA All-Star game -- was an unmitigated disaster. Still, Sin City is home to Mayweather and Arum, while Pacquiao's last six fights have been held there. If a temporary stadium is built, Vegas is almost a lock.  
 
  
 Arlington, Texas
Site: Cowboys Stadium
Odds: 10-1
 
 
A sparkling new stadium and no income tax are appealing but there is some concern that even a fight of this magnitude could draw 100,000-plus fans. Reps from both sides are concerned about swaths of empty sections.  
 
  
 New Orleans
Site: Superdome
Odds: 20-1
 
 
Tax issues are the main factor working against the Big Easy, but the unfamiliarity both sides have with the city will also play a role. Bringing the fight here would be a huge p.r. move for both sides, but it remains a long shot.  
 Los Angeles
Site: Staples Center
Odds: 50-1
 
 
The Staples Center has been home to many high-profile fights, but a 20,000-seat venue in Southern California likely won't be enough for a fight that could draw twice as many elsewhere.  
 
  
 New York
Site: Yankee Stadium
Odds: 50-1
 
 
Arum has talked for years about bringing a fight to Yankee Stadium, but a 14-percent income tax makes New York a non-starter. Potential weather issues in an outdoor stadium in March or May also lower the Stadium's odds.  
 
 
 


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Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 04, 2009, 06:53:34 PM
LOL but no, mayweather wants it at 154! typical PBF though!  ;D

as already stated... they wanted Foreman at 154... so what's the big deal? And what do you mean typical PBF exactly? Every fight that Manny fights or is supposed to fight they want some sort of stupid catchweight... you're a hypocrite dude.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 06:54:22 PM
Just thinking Fil, Floyds arguemtn will be simple though if you think about it. You where willing to fight Foreman at this weight why not me?
I am not for a minute defending this but in a way it is team Pac's own doing by naming a higer weight as a different option.

if that's the case then Manny can just go and fight Yuri and PBf can just fight who he wants at 154.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 06:55:07 PM
as already stated... they wanted Foreman at 154... so what's the big deal? And what do you mean typical PBF exactly? Every fight that Manny fights or is supposed to fight they want some sort of stupid catchweight... you're a hypocrite dude.

LOL is the proposed 147 weight for the Pac/Floyd fight a cathweight?  ;D :P


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 04, 2009, 06:55:44 PM
He can weight as heavy as he wants. He can even bring his sh!t talking father with him. Oh, and he can also bring M4U and TheTruth with him. Pac will take care of them easy. One shot, just one shot!  ;D

how about this instead... you and Fil show up there and i'll be all by myself and will school both of your asses.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 06:58:55 PM
how about this instead... you and Fil show up there and i'll be all by myself and will school both of your asses.

you're in the internet toughi mode again bro, lay off whatever you're drinking, smoking or snorting bruh!  ;D :P


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 04, 2009, 07:00:21 PM
LOL is the proposed 147 weight for the Pac/Floyd fight a cathweight?  ;D :P

oh yeah Fil... try to cover your boy's ass now that they FINALLY will fight at 147 and the reason? Because they don't have the pull to make the fight happen at a catchweight... Mosley? Had to be at 143... Cotto? Had to be at 145, but NOW that it's Floyd and he brings a lot of PPV's they don't have much of a choice do they?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 04, 2009, 07:01:03 PM
how about this instead... you and Fil show up there and i'll be all by myself and will school both of your asses.

here comes the boxing guru!  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 04, 2009, 07:02:27 PM
you're in the internet toughi mode again bro, lay off whatever you're drinking, smoking or snorting bruh!  ;D :P

he's snorting his own fart!  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 04, 2009, 07:03:33 PM
how about this instead... you and Fil show up there and i'll be all by myself and will school both of your asses.

You had wine gum tonight or something sort your head out!!

Fil can we expect an appearance from you this time round, us brits are fed up of making the atmosphere by ourselves  ;D jokin.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 04, 2009, 07:04:52 PM
you're in the internet toughi mode again bro, lay off whatever you're drinking, smoking or snorting bruh!  ;D :P

Whatever man... i'm no internet tough guy.. i'll just back up what I say as opposed to you who buckles under the slightest bit of pressure... no bet for you, no admitting you were wrong about Manny's fight with Oscar and now your last excuse lol what a joke of a fan.

And to answer your other question... Roach himself admitted Manny is now a 147 lb fighter, but wanted to move to 154 to fight Foreman, Floyd fought at 154 ONE TIME and he only weighed in at what? High 140s? So it's not like either of them are 154 lb fighters... so what's your excuse to that?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 04, 2009, 07:06:23 PM
Whatever man... i'm no internet tough guy.. i'll just back up what I say as opposed to you who buckles under the slightest bit of pressure... no bet for you, no admitting you were wrong about Manny's fight with Oscar and now your last excuse lol what a joke of a fan.

And to answer your other question... Roach himself admitted Manny is now a 147 lb fighter, but wanted to move to 154 to fight Foreman, Floyd fought at 154 ONE TIME and he only weighed in at what? High 140s? So it's not like either of them are 154 lb fighters... so what's your excuse to that?

typical mayweather fanboy...  ;D  ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 04, 2009, 07:09:48 PM
I wouldn't pay to watch Manny vs Foreman. I think Manny needs this fight now slightly more than Floyd. Floyd vs mosley fight is easy to make and the grudge match aspect is already in place it would do a million plus PPV's.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 07:14:03 PM
I wouldn't pay to watch Manny vs Foreman. I think Manny needs this fight now slightly more than Floyd. Floyd vs mosley fight is easy to make and the grudge match aspect is already in place it would do a million plus PPV's.



It's the other way around bro, PBF needs Manny more than Manny needs him. Don't even think that PBF will fight Shane cause he won't be, I guarantee you that. Who else would be PBF left to fight if he doesn't fight Pac? Paul Williams? Manny has lots of options, fight the winner of Shane/Berto match or just go ahead with the Yuri foreman, fight Tim Bradley. See with Manny it doesn't amtter who he fights because you get what you expect from a Pacquiao fight which is all out action!  :) ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 07:15:30 PM
Whatever man... i'm no internet tough guy.. i'll just back up what I say as opposed to you who buckles under the slightest bit of pressure... no bet for you, no admitting you were wrong about Manny's fight with Oscar and now your last excuse lol what a joke of a fan.

And to answer your other question... Roach himself admitted Manny is now a 147 lb fighter, but wanted to move to 154 to fight Foreman, Floyd fought at 154 ONE TIME and he only weighed in at what? High 140s? So it's not like either of them are 154 lb fighters... so what's your excuse to that?

so why not just fight at 147 then is they are not 154 lb fighters? stop blowing smoke up you raggedy ass bro!  ;D :P


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 04, 2009, 07:16:26 PM
It's the other way around bro, PBF needs Manny more than Manny needs him. Don't even think that PBF will fight Shane cause he won't be, I guarantee you that. Who else would be PBF left to fight if he doesn't fight Pac? Paul Williams? Manny has lots of options, fight the winner of Shane/Berto match or just go ahead with the Yuri foreman, fight Tim Bradley. See with Manny it doesn't amtter who he fights because you get what you expect from a Pacquiao fight which is all out action!  :) ;)

Manny's more worried about money now than he is "all out action" I hate to tell you.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 04, 2009, 07:17:27 PM
typical mayweather fanboy...  ;D  ;D  ;D
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I suppose it's better than Pacfans like you choking on his semen though huh?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 04, 2009, 07:17:33 PM
Why I Believe Floyd Is Bluffing And Wants To Duck Pacquiao
Published by Scoop Malinowski on December 4th, 2009

Michael Bentt once told me “Boxing is 90% bluffs.” Pretty strong quote there, right? Pretty reliable and credible source too, right? You better believe the WBO Heavyweight champion Michael Bentt knows what he’s talking about.

Well, Floyd Mayweather has already cost the sport some great fights – with Margarito, Cotto and Mosley – and do not forget all the excuses and reasons he recently gave us to sidestep Manny Pacquiao – Pac lost by KO twice, he beat Marquez more clearly, it’s a no win situation. Floyd has shown actions that he really doesn’t want to mess with Pacquiao who has everything – youth, speed, power, the adoration and love of the public, fearlessness, brutality – that Floyd has carefully avoided over the last three years.

Now suddenly Floyd supposedly has agreed on terms and is basically giving Pacquiao an ultimatum to take the fight in March – or as Bob Arum insists – the fight will never happen. And Floyd will declare victory if Pac decides he can’t get ready for March.

If Floyd really wants the fight and really truly has given the greenlight, why then would March be the only date he will do it? Earlier in the week Money’s advisor was crowing that March ain’t enough time to maximize profits. With all the money at stake, and if Floyd REALLY and TRULY wants the fight, why isn’t he open to April, May, June or July or August September. Ellerbe has said over and over Floyd’s given the greenlight and wants the fight. But by insisting on March it seems that’s a red light.

And you have to consider it possible that Floyd really doesn’t want the fight, like he might be hoping Pac will decide he won’t be rushed into March. It’s almost like Floyd is trying to intimidate Pacquiao here with this bullying show of confidence.

But don’t forget, Floyd showed us all those excuses, he tried to downplay Pacquiao in that BBC interviews after the Cotto fight.

Until this sudden appearance that Floyd has agreed to terms and will be ready for March, Floyd has been making the excuses, same as he did when Margarito, Cotto and Mosley tried to fight him.

When Floyd really wants a fight you know it. You know when he has no fear or worries. Like before Gatti, Floyd just kept saying over and over how easy it will be, how Gatti is a D level fighter, a punching bag. It was the same thing with Hatton, how Ricky was all beaten up with scar tissue and it would be easy. I have all these quotes. Also it was that way with Oscar and Baldomir. All these fights Floyd knew would be easy, there were never any excuses or hesitations from Floyd. But with Margarito, Cotto, Mosley and too an extent with Pacquiao, Floyd has shown reluctance and hesitation to get it on. “He knows he can’t beat me. What has he done to deserve a fight with me. He has five losses. He don’t bring shit to the table. I’m bored with boxing. I might go to MMA. My body is breaking down.”

So all the sudden we are to believe that Floyd wants to fight Pacquiao? No. No. No. I believe it’s a bluff. I believe Floyd is banking on the hope that Pacquiao will decline March and with his big mouth will take that as a victory.

I believe Bob Arum realizes this and is trying to convince Pacquiao to accept the March date.

Pacquiao must accept. Then we will see if Floyd really truly wants the fight.

Floyd Mayweather is a very talented fighter but I still have many doubts and suspicions about his desire to fight the riskiest, most dangerous opponents. I know for a fact Floyd did not even want to fight Cotto, and look what happened to Cotto. Floyd has to be worried about the complicated dangers Pacquiao presents, underneath his bluffing and posturing. We have never seen Floyd tackle a prime young monster challenge at 147. And until we do, doubts will remain.

If Floyd has been playing us all along and does want to fight Pacquiao and shows dazzling skills in March and wins the fight, there could be no doubt or question that he is truly a great, great champion.

But the percentage opinion, based on all of Floyd’s inconsistent and hypocritical actions over the last three years strongly suggest he has some kind of fear and aversion to testing his skills against a prime, strong, fast, explosive, confident, fearless top welterweight. Pacquiao is the most ruthless, most vicious and most formidable rival there has been for Floyd to fight. Until he steps in the ring with Pacquiao, I don’t care what he says, everything about Floyd is still a question mark. He is not the best until he beats the best.

And in his own mind, I don’t think Floyd really believes he is the best. How could he? It is unknown and will remain unknown until he fights the best.

Paul Williams articulated a strong point in our interview on Wednesday. “Pacquiao’s more hot (than Floyd) right now. I respect what Mayweather is doing but Pacquiao right now, he hot. He’s real hot. He’s been beating everybody, going through em. And he throws a lot of punches. So I’d like to put my skills against his skills.” Williams is a true champ. He is fearless and wants to put his skills up to the riskiest challenge. Floyd has shown reluctance to put his skills on the line against the best – until suddenly this week he wants to supposedly fight Pacquiao in March.

Roy Jones went through the same thing. He hit a point where he became Reluctant Roy and didn’t want to fight the best. For years he feasted on mismatches and consequently lost his edge, stopped improving, until when a young prime hungry confident challenger came along, forced a reluctant Roy to face him and Roy got knocked out. I believe all the years of easy fights have similarly stopped Floyd from improving and his skills have actually declined and stagnated. He really wasn’t that special looking against Oscar, Baldomir and Marquez. On the other hand, Pacquiao has been improving each fight, each step up in weight. Each fight he has been looking more and more spectacular.

Yes, I stronly believe Floyd is bluffing. I believe Floyd is pretending to want to fight Pacquiao in March. And we do know Floyd will tell lies – remember he told Rugged RA that he earned $12 million for Baldomir and that Bob Arum doesn’t want to do business with him. It’s a fact, Floyd will tell outright, outrageous lies. Floyd will deceive. I believe he is feigning confidence to fight in March. And Arum and Pacquiao, if they are sharp enough, won’t fall for it. We shall see.

Also, if you would like to know who the source was that assured me on Wednesday, repeatedly that Mayweather vs. Pacquiao isn’t gonna happen…it was George Peterson, trainer and manager of Paul Williams. And let me tell you, George Peterson is the type of straight shooter who won’t BS you. He has told me things off the record before and I’ve honored that. But he did not say “It’s not gonna happen,” was off the record. And George Peterson is quite close with Floyd advisor Al Haymon, who also advises Paul Williams.

http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/why-i-believe-floyd-is-bluffing-and-wants-to-duck-pacquiao/ (http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/why-i-believe-floyd-is-bluffing-and-wants-to-duck-pacquiao/)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 07:18:13 PM
Manny's more worried about money now than he is "all out action" I hate to tell you.

LOL whatever dude, keep on crying to your momma!!  ;D :P


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 04, 2009, 07:18:44 PM
LOL whatever dude, keep on crying to your momma!!  ;D :P

ummmm, yeah fil because clearly i'm crying  //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 04, 2009, 07:18:50 PM
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I suppose it's better than Pacfans like you choking on his semen though huh?

awww... stop gay replies!  ;D ;D ;D fatso


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 07:20:16 PM
awww... stop gay replies!  ;D ;D ;D fatso

for some reason, Meth is soooo obsessed with gayish stuff like that!! ;D ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 04, 2009, 07:45:17 PM
It's the other way around bro, PBF needs Manny more than Manny needs him. Don't even think that PBF will fight Shane cause he won't be, I guarantee you that. Who else would be PBF left to fight if he doesn't fight Pac? Paul Williams? Manny has lots of options, fight the winner of Shane/Berto match or just go ahead with the Yuri foreman, fight Tim Bradley. See with Manny it doesn't amtter who he fights because you get what you expect from a Pacquiao fight which is all out action!  :) ;)

I think your wrong dude FMJ would fight mosley and both are golden boy fighters easy fight to make and Shane will fight at 154. Paul Williams has moved up and tbh I think FMJ would fight him as well. I think PW is overrated.

Now for Manny like I said I wouldn't pay to watch foreman Bradley yes but I think Manny would win easily. It does not leave many decent options for Manny unless they looked at Tony ( I hope they don't ).

Floyd seems up for the fight and seems willing to accept dates. I say this as a neutral its just the way it looks from the outside.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 08:03:49 PM
I think your wrong dude FMJ would fight mosley and both are golden boy fighters easy fight to make and Shane will fight at 154. Paul Williams has moved up and tbh I think FMJ would fight him as well. I think PW is overrated.

Now for Manny like I said I wouldn't pay to watch foreman Bradley yes but I think Manny would win easily. It does not leave many decent options for Manny unless they looked at Tony ( I hope they don't ).

Floyd seems up for the fight and seems willing to accept dates. I say this as a neutral its just the way it looks from the outside.

just look at Floyd's record at welterweight division bro and you'll see what I mean.... he didn't fight shane, cotto, mosley, margarito, clottey,paul william in the 4 years he was fighting at welterweight Floyd is all about the money and he knows he won't be getting as much money as he would be getting if he fights Pac. Remember the BS that PBF was shouting about in the run up to the PBF/Marquez fight? he was claiming that he was getting paid more money than both hatton and pac combined but in reality he got paid $10 million as compared to Pac's $12 million when he fought Ricky.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: ManilaReds on December 04, 2009, 08:10:40 PM

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Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 04, 2009, 08:11:52 PM
Can you prove that Fil about Manny earning more than Floyd did when they both fought Rick, am not saying its not right its just the first i have heard and would be supprised really as i thought Rick/Mayweather was a bigger event.
It certainly got more press anyhow, any links you have mate thanks.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 08:17:04 PM
Can you prove that Fil about Manny earning more than Floyd did when they both fought Rick, am not saying its not right its just the first i have heard and would be supprised really as i thought Rick/Mayweather was a bigger event.
It certainly got more press anyhow, any links you have mate thanks.

There were newsreports about it months ago bro and after PBF's fight with JMM his fight purse was disclosed as $10 million and which he paid the IRS what he owed them I think. I was just saying that Floyd likes to lie alot like what he said that was getting paid more than what Ricky and Pacquiao got paid for their fight nothing more nothing less.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaimie77 on December 04, 2009, 08:17:19 PM
You know, I know, Pac Man Knows

13th March, that is all...book your ticket Sir Bruce




Book for where ?? we have the date but no confirmed venue  :o


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 04, 2009, 08:19:14 PM
You know, I know, Pac Man Knows

13th March, that is all...book your ticket Sir Bruce




told you I had a feeling he was gonna change his mind and fight this march instead of october/november because of his political plans and the campaign starting on March 26. Man, I got such an ESP!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 04, 2009, 08:57:09 PM
You know, I know, Pac Man Knows

13th March, that is all...book your ticket Sir Bruce




SO much for the November date that you predicted. My friend , when money talks and the promoters putting on the pressure, everything changes and you can take that to the bank.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 04, 2009, 09:10:12 PM
Manny Pacquiao set to meet Floyd Mayweather in March

Five-weight world champion Manny Pacquiao and unbeaten American Floyd Mayweather are set to meet on 13 March, according to the Filipino's promoter.

Michael Koncz, who is in charge of Pacquaio's promotional company, says the 30-year-old has agreed to a March proposal from promoter Bob Arum.

"We all believe that it will be done," Koncz told GMA television.

If the 'super fight' goes ahead, it will match the two men regarded as the world's best pound-for-pound fighters.

"Arum presented what he thought was the best proposal he can bring during a two-hour breakfast meeting with Pacquiao in Manila," added Koncz.

"Manny has some additional requirements, requests, which Arum didn't think was a problem.

"The requests of Manny were so realistic that Arum doesn't feel it's a problem and it's pretty much a done deal."

Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach, who is preparing Britain's Amir Khan for his first WBA light-welterweight defence on Saturday, also confirmed the date.

"I talked to Arum and Manny is happy with that date and I can't wait to get started," Roach told Sky Sports.

"It will be the biggest fight of all time and Amir Khan will help us get ready for the fight with his speed a lot like Mayweather's."

But Roach confirmed that the fight was not a done deal but was closer to being finalised.

"There will always be negotiation and there are issues such as weight, but they can always be solved," added Roach.

"It is would be a tough fight and we will need to set some traps and work on some strategies. But it is a fight Manny wants, he is very confident he can beat Floyd."

Pacquiao last fought in November beating Miguel Cotto in Las Vegas. The Filipino stopped his Puerto Rican opponent in the 12th round of their WBO welterweight clash at the MGM Grand with a stunning display.

Mayweather, 32, returned to the ring for the first time in 21 months with a unanimous points victory over Juan Manuel Marquez in Las Vegas with a classy performance.

Pacquiao is running for a congressional seat in the May 2010 elections and official campaigning will not start before April, making the March date convenient for the Filipino.

No venue has been decided for the mega fight but representatives of the Superdome in New Orleans and the new Dallas Cowboys' stadium have expressed interest in hosting the fight, as has the MGM Grand hotel-casino in Las Vegas, where the pair have fought their biggest fights.

There is also a proposal for a 30,000-seater temporary stadium on the Las Vegas Strip across from the Wynn resort.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8395968.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8395968.stm)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: blow_jab on December 04, 2009, 09:39:36 PM
SO much for the November date that you predicted. My friend , when money talks and the promoters putting on the pressure, everything changes and you can take that to the bank.

i wouldn't bet on it though. anything can happen. Pac has only agreed with the fight date. everything has yet to be inked. there is a possiblity that this fight will happen but i don't want to disappoint myself if the schedule goes back to late 2010.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Marks1 on December 04, 2009, 10:39:02 PM
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I suppose it's better than Pacfans like you choking on his semen though huh?
for some reason, Meth is soooo obsessed with gayish stuff like that!! ;D ;D
awww... stop gay replies!  ;D ;D ;D fatso
ummmm, yeah fil because clearly i'm crying  //
ummmm, yeah fil because clearly i'm crying  //
LOL whatever dude, keep on crying to your momma!!  ;D :P

Seriously, grow up. When i read that passage i felt embaressed for all 3 of you. //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 04, 2009, 10:42:00 PM
awww... stop gay replies!  ;D ;D ;D fatso

fatso? Didn't you mean to say that to Fil?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 04, 2009, 10:45:45 PM
just look at Floyd's record at welterweight division bro and you'll see what I mean.... he didn't fight shane, cotto, mosley, margarito, clottey,paul william in the 4 years he was fighting at welterweight Floyd is all about the money and he knows he won't be getting as much money as he would be getting if he fights Pac. Remember the BS that PBF was shouting about in the run up to the PBF/Marquez fight? he was claiming that he was getting paid more money than both hatton and pac combined but in reality he got paid $10 million as compared to Pac's $12 million when he fought Ricky.

he called out Shane a lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time ago and that is right on live TV after one of his fights... Shane didn't want the fight. Shane is the one who ducked him if anyone was ducking... they also tried to make a fight with Cotto and Ricky while at 140 and neither wanted the fight.. I don't have the links, but i'm sure someone here would be more than willing to post it for you... you are totally braindead and either don't read other articles if they aren't about your boyfriend, or you just don't want to believe it. Margarito? Do you seriously think he could beat Floyd? Please tell me yes and then no one here will ever have a a reason to take you seriously anymore lmao!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gaz on December 04, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
I've read that one of the issues to be solved is that Floyd wants the fight at 154lbs. If that's true then I have a problem with this. Floyd has been campaigning at 147 for the last few years (besides one meaningless glamour exhibition against De La Hoya), and Manny has just produced arguably his career-best performance to take a title off one of the tip welterweights out there. For F*ck's sake, just get the fight on at 147. They both retain their peaks at that weight, so why try and possibly weaken Pacquiao by making him go up ANOTHER weight divison?

I'm sceptical about the March 13 date if this issue is still up in the air.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Lane on December 04, 2009, 11:09:50 PM
they also tried to make a fight with Cotto and Ricky while at 140 and neither wanted the fight.. I don't have the links, utter tosh mayweather went to lww and jumped out straight away hatton was coming offa massive upset and cotto was tearing through every opponent he faced, he picked the worst champiopn and got out of there and d it was against a gatti that had 3 wars wqith ward , mayweather didnt want to go anywhere near hatton or cotto back in 2005


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 04, 2009, 11:24:57 PM
i wouldnt read too much into this 154 talk.. its NEVER going to happen at that weight. its probably a ploy by team mayweather to get the fight at 147lbs and cut out talk of catchweights.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: cowboy55 on December 04, 2009, 11:26:18 PM
spam is reporting the Mayweather/Pacman fight will take place March 13th(venue not set yet)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 04, 2009, 11:27:06 PM
they also tried to make a fight with Cotto and Ricky while at 140 and neither wanted the fight.. I don't have the links, utter tosh mayweather went to lww and jumped out straight away hatton was coming offa massive upset and cotto was tearing through every opponent he faced, he picked the worst champiopn and got out of there and d it was against a gatti that had 3 wars wqith ward , mayweather didnt want to go anywhere near hatton or cotto back in 2005

your wrong there mate, the hattons told flyod that ricky wasnt ready for him in 2005 and wanted to build his reputation in the states first.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: cloughie on December 04, 2009, 11:30:24 PM
sounds like Beatles tix all round then, Larry :D

you going on jan 23rd? hope to se eyou mate,

Cloughie


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: cowboy55 on December 04, 2009, 11:32:15 PM
still aint seen "jack" on that one.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 05, 2009, 12:02:10 AM
your wrong there mate, the hattons told flyod that ricky wasnt ready for him in 2005 and wanted to build his reputation in the states first.

Correct Chev even though I think it was another tentative  or no chance  move from Floyd who knew that it would be turned down.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 12:07:59 AM
Im happy with the way things are going just not the prices of what things will cost  :( . Am there regardless tonight is the night i launch a full on saving assault to get myself to this fight.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 05, 2009, 12:11:39 AM
Im happy with the way things are going just not the prices of what things will cost  :( . Am there regardless tonight is the night i launch a full on saving assault to get myself to this fight.

you selling your body again at the weekend aaron?? ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 12:12:36 AM
you selling your body again at the weekend aaron?? ;D

Family's to i think  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: stephen thompson on December 05, 2009, 05:37:52 AM
too early for me that if it comes off. i was wetting my self with a late 2010 schedule.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Marks1 on December 05, 2009, 08:24:54 AM
Im happy with the way things are going just not the prices of what things will cost  :( . Am there regardless tonight is the night i launch a full on saving assault to get myself to this fight.

Yeah i noticed the prices are a fair bit dearer for that date. I paid £520 for flight and 4 nights at the MGM for Hatton-Pacquiao and the same deal is £625 this time.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 05, 2009, 08:31:14 AM
they also tried to make a fight with Cotto and Ricky while at 140 and neither wanted the fight.. I don't have the links, utter tosh mayweather went to lww and jumped out straight away hatton was coming offa massive upset and cotto was tearing through every opponent he faced, he picked the worst champiopn and got out of there and d it was against a gatti that had 3 wars wqith ward , mayweather didnt want to go anywhere near hatton or cotto back in 2005

No, Ray Hatton has been quoted as saying they "were not ready for Mayweather yet"


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 05, 2009, 08:32:48 AM
Correct Chev even though I think it was another tentative  or no chance  move from Floyd who knew that it would be turned down.

It wouldn't matter... Ricky is a great fighter, but at no weight class could he have ever beaten Floyd.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on December 05, 2009, 09:45:30 AM
Manny Pacquiao looks set to fight Floyd Mayweather Jnr on March 13 after agreeing to a proposal from Bob Arum.

Pacquiao's adviser Michael Koncz said Arum presented the fighter with the proposal at a two-hour breakfast in Manila on Friday.

"The requests of Manny were so realistic that Arum doesn't feel it's a problem and it's pretty much a done deal," Koncz said.

The Filipino legend, who is running for president in his home nation, has some requests of his own that require some ironing out, although trainer Freddie Roach believes they will be no obstacle to the fight the world wants to see.

"We talked to Arum and he had the March date and May 1 available and Manny chose the earlier date because of the elections in the Phillipines, and I can't wait to get started," Roach told Sky Sports News.

"It'll be the biggest fight of all time, the biggest pay-per-view event of all time and my main sparring partner will be Amir Khan.

"There's always negotiations, like he (Mayweather) wants 10oz gloves we want 8oz gloves, stuff like that, the weight he wants is 154lb, we want 147, so there's some issues but I think it can be solved.

"It's a tough fight because his style does give us difficulties, and we need to draft a plan for a new strategy. Yes, it's a tough fight but it's a fight Manny wants."

Both fighters have claims to the right to be called the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, and it appears matters will be settled sooner, rather than later.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Sonny325 on December 05, 2009, 10:04:07 AM
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12/05/2009 3:25 AM ET By Lem Satterfield


Lem Satterfield is FanHouse's Boxing Writer and Editor.
Manny Pacquiao spoke to FanHouse from the Philippines in what his advisor, Michael Koncz, said is the WBO welterweight champ's first interview and what are his initial comments to the American media -- this while traveling with Koncz to a filming shoot for his upcoming super hero movie, "WaPak Man."

Pacquiao was reached while he and Koncz were traveling at 2:20 a.m. on Saturday, Eastern Standard time in America -- and at approximately 3:20 in the Philippines, according to Koncz. Pacquiao shared his thoughts for about five minutes.

Koncz was also with Pacquiao (50-3-2, 33 knockouts) on Thursday when they had what he called a favorable, two-hour meeting with his promoter, Top Rank's Bob Arum, during their negotiations for a megafight with unbeaten Floyd Mayweather (40-0, 25 KOs).

Mayweather had agreed to terms prior to Arum's 15-hour, Dec. 1 flight to the Philippines, but had not formally signed a contract for their historic bout.


Koncz said that Pacquiao also agreed to terms for their matchup, adding that they decided, with Arum, that the clash would be fought on March 13, with eight ounce gloves, and at the welterweight (147-pound) weight limit rather than at at catchweight.

Mayweather was fined for coming in at one pound over the 145-pound contracted weight for September's one-sided victory over Juan Manuel Marquez, and Cotto fought Pacquiao after being required to weigh-in at 144.

Arum told FanHouse early Friday morning that he had hoped to finalize the megabout between Mayweather, a five-time world champion, and Pacquiao, a seven-division titlist, next week.

This would all be done, said Arum, after meeting with Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy Promotions, who is negotiating on behalf of the 32-year-old Mayweather.

Although site considerations for Mayweather-Pacquiao include Las Vegas, the Dallas Cowboys' stadium and The New Orleans SuperDome, Arum, Schaefer, and HBO's Ross Greenburg are expected to meet with Cowboys' owner, Jerry Jones, on Thursday, according to a scource.

Las Vegas is also building a 30,000 seat outdoor stadium for Mayweather-Pacquiao, and the gambling city's MGM Grand and The Thomas & Mack Center may also be considerations.




FanHouse: Did you officially sign the contract?

Manny Pacquiao: No, because there are still some things that need to be negotiated. That would be premature and foolish. Nobody ever brought us a contract to sign.

We agreed to everything in principle, but there are still some finer points that need to be negotiated.

Bob is going to take all of this back to Floyd Mayweather and then, hopefully, it will be all worked out. We believe that the deal will get done.


FH: So how badly do you want this fight?

Pacquiao: Of course, I want to fight Floyd Mayweather very badly. It's the fight that everyone wants to see.

And, of course, that's the fight that I want.


FH: How important are the eight ounce gloves?

Pacquiao: That's a very important aspect of the negotiations to me. I really want to use the eight ounce gloves.

FH: Are you concerned that your running for congress, a bid you lost in 2007, could affect your preparation or otherwise be a distraction for the March 13 fight?

Pacquiao: No. The first day that I can legally begin campaining is March 26, and the fight -- being March 13 -- it will be over by then.

I'm going to be very focused for this fight.


FH: Are you confident that your filming the movie will not affect your ability to get into the gym and train for a quality amount of time?

Pacquiao: Yes, I am. I'm not worried about that. The filming of the movie will be completed on Dec. 9, and the movie is scheduled to be released on Christmas.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Jambonhead on December 05, 2009, 10:16:46 AM
I can see the gloves being a major issue, mayweather has bad hands he will want atleast 10oz gloves.

Isnt it generally accepted that 10ozers are used from 147+?

Also i dont like that peice of scum koncz having anything to do with the biggest boxing event in 20+ years....if negotiations fail and this fight doesnt get made and koncz has somthing to do with it - we should all chip in for an assasin to dispose of him.

If this fight gets signed u know the buildup is going to be insane, this forum wil turn into a mayweather-pacquaio forum,



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 05, 2009, 10:22:35 AM
I can see the gloves being a major issue, mayweather has bad hands he will want atleast 10oz gloves.

Isnt it generally accepted that 10ozers are used from 147+?

Also i dont like that peice of scum koncz having anything to do with the biggest boxing event in 20+ years....if negotiations fail and this fight doesnt get made and koncz has somthing to do with it - we should all chip in for an assasin to dispose of him.

If this fight gets signed u know the buildup is going to be insane, this forum wil turn into a mayweather-pacquaio forum,



It depends on the state as far as glove weight is concerned... it was changed a few years ago I believe. The writer needs to remember the Cotto Manny fight was at 145 not 144.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 05, 2009, 11:51:34 AM
Vs Hatton, Floyd only landed 129 in 10 rounds; Manny landed 73 in two!
For you geniuses, that's...

Pacquiao - 37 punches per round @ 57%

Mayweather - 13 punches per round @ 39%

And against Oscar, Manny out-landed Floyd, 224 to 207 in only 8 rounds to Floyd's full 12 rounds.

Good luck Floyd!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 05, 2009, 12:08:31 PM
Vs Hatton, Floyd only landed 129 in 10 rounds; Manny landed 73 in two!
For you geniuses, that's...

Pacquiao - 37 punches per round @ 57%

Mayweather - 13 punches per round @ 39%

And against Oscar, Manny out-landed Floyd, 224 to 207 in only 8 rounds to Floyd's full 12 rounds.

Good luck Floyd!  ;D

You forgot one. vs Marquez over 12 rounds....

Pacquiao landed 157 punches at a 25% rate

Mayweather landed 290 punches at a 59% rate

For you geniuses, that's 133 more punches, at a 34% higher connect percentage. After two years out of the sport.

Damn, good luck Manny.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Huddersfieldterrier on December 05, 2009, 12:14:04 PM
You forgot one. vs Marquez over 12 rounds....

Pacquiao landed 157 punches at a 25% rate

Mayweather landed 290 punches at a 59% rate

For you geniuses, that's 133 more punches, at a 34% higher connect percentage. After two years out of the sport.

Damn, good luck Manny.

mmmmm lies, dam lies and statistics!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 05, 2009, 12:33:54 PM
You forgot one. vs Marquez over 12 rounds....

Pacquiao landed 157 punches at a 25% rate

Mayweather landed 290 punches at a 59% rate

For you geniuses, that's 133 more punches, at a 34% higher connect percentage. After two years out of the sport.

Damn, good luck Manny.

Styles make fights. That doesn't mean anything.

And let's not forget the possibility that Manny was weight drained at the lower weights as he was rocked by Barrera and Marquez, yet took flush shots from Cotto.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 05, 2009, 12:41:57 PM
Styles make fights. That doesn't mean anything.

And let's not forget the possibility that Manny was weight drained at the lower weights as he was rocked by Barrera and Marquez, yet took flush shots from Cotto.


Did you not read the post I was responding to? >:( 

I'm fully aware that the stats mean nothing. I was displaying the flaw in using compubox to predict fights.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 05, 2009, 12:46:28 PM
You forgot one. vs Marquez over 12 rounds....

Pacquiao landed 157 punches at a 25% rate

Mayweather landed 290 punches at a 59% rate

For you geniuses, that's 133 more punches, at a 34% higher connect percentage. After two years out of the sport.

Damn, good luck Manny.

you forgot also that Floyd kd Marquez once but Manny sent him to canvas 4 times in 2 fights. And Floyd wasn't really retired at all he just want to know if boxing will be same without him and I guess he was right during that 2 years.  ;D  ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 05, 2009, 01:15:29 PM

If this fight gets signed u know the buildup is going to be insane, this forum wil turn into a mayweather-pacquaio forum,



No change there then!   ;D  Actually, I'm enjoying the Pacfans -v- PBFfans' little spats, except for where it gets totally childish and school-playground


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 01:19:23 PM
No change there then!   ;D  Actually, I'm enjoying the Pacfans -v- PBFfans' little spats, except for where it gets totally childish and school-playground

They'll have to issue some 'Top Trumps' cards for them to argue with! ;D

'Floyd's got longer toenails, so there', 'I don't care, Manny's got more armpit hair' etc etc!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: LondonRingRules on December 05, 2009, 01:54:11 PM
I can see the gloves being a major issue, mayweather has bad hands he will want atleast 10oz gloves.

Isnt it generally accepted that 10ozers are used from 147+?

-------- Why would Floydy have bad hands after 2 yrs of rest and extended training time to get in shape?

The gloves are an issue because Manny uses Reyes puncher's gloves which magnify his advantage in this fight, his dangerous offense.

Gloves do little to protect the hands, that's the job of handwraps and anyone seeing Floydy's wraps understand he fights in virtual casts they are so thick and compact. Floydy uses Grant defensive gloves which use less dense padding and offer a larger surface area to block punches which is what he is all about these days, defense.

If Floydy committed to full power shots using Reyes 8 ozers, likely he would be near as powerful puncher as Manny. Power was his game coming up until he moved to lightweight and realized he needed to concentrate on defense against more powerful opposition.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 05, 2009, 04:02:50 PM
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Manny Pacquiao has signed a contract to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. in boxing's biggest fight on March 13, a source with knowledge of the meeting told spam.com on Friday night.


 
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Pacquiao and promotor Bob Arum met for two hours Friday to discuss the proposed deal, according to Pacquiao adviser Michael Koncz, who told The Associated Press that "Manny has some additional requirements, requests, which Arum didn't think was a problem.

"The requests of Manny were so realistic that Arum doesn't feel it's a problem and it's pretty much a done deal," Koncz said.

Later Friday it became a done deal, at least on the Pacquiao side, when he signed the paperwork, the source said.

Mayweather had previously agreed to terms with Golden Boy Promotions, his promoter for the HBO PPV fight, but it was unclear if he had signed a contract.

The source also disclosed other aspects of the fight, which will take place at the welterweight limit of 147 pounds for Pacquiao's title and match the top two fighters in the world, pound-for-pound.

The camps agreed to a 50-50 split of the money, which could be gargantuan. Many experts expect the fight to eclipse the all-time pay-per-view record for sales, which is the 2.44 million buys generated by Mayweather's 2007 victory against Oscar De La Hoya.

Both fighters will wear 8-ounce gloves but each fighter will be allowed to select the brand of gloves he will wear for the fight.

For promotional purposes, the bout will be referred to as Mayweather-Pacquiao, but Top Rank will receive first billing over Golden Boy throughout the promotion.

However, instead of a full-scale media tour, there will only be a single press conference in New York during the second week of January. With the schedule compressed because of the March 13 date for the fight, rather than May 1, which the promoters and HBO PPV preferred, it didn't leave time for a lengthy media tour.

The fight is going to take place March 13 because Pacquiao is running for a congressional seat in the Philippines and the elections are in May, which would have been a conflict between his training and the campaign.

Pacquiao will spend the first half of his training camp in Baguio in the Philippines, where he also trained for the first part of his camp in preparation for his 12th-round knockout victory against Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14. For the final few weeks of his training, Pacquiao and trainer Freddie Roach will relocate to Roach's Wild Card gym in Hollywood, Calif.

The site of the bout has not been finalized. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has expressed interest in bringing the fight to his new stadium as have representatives from the Superdome in New Orleans. Also in the mix is the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, which has hosted several Pacquiao and Mayweather bouts. Arum has also received a proposal for a 30,000-seat temporary stadium on the Las Vegas Strip across from the Wynn resort.

Dan Rafael covers boxing for spam.com.




Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: CelticHiggo on December 05, 2009, 04:06:34 PM
Thanks for the update Keegan IQ


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gooner on December 05, 2009, 04:07:07 PM
Hope it's in Vegas.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: lobbers on December 05, 2009, 04:13:59 PM
great news cheers mate,  any idea when location is to be finalized  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaimie77 on December 05, 2009, 04:16:47 PM
Wicked !! Lets hope they sort venue soon  8)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 04:17:57 PM
Keegan you over for this mate?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 05, 2009, 04:27:33 PM
IQ keegan. this is great news for boxing as a whole, its going to capture the imagination of even the most casual of fans. massive respect for the pacman for taking this fight so soon after an extremely tough fight with cotto really does prove the man would fight any1 anywhere. a great deal of respect must also go to mayweather, he been giving some stick for ducking ppl but nobody can say it now hes going in with the most dangerous man on the planet at the minute and had everything agreed in a few days with no bullsh*t. he said when he came back he was going to fight the best and has stuck to his word by taking on 2 top5 p4p'ers, good on you flyod.

may the best man win, two legends in my book no matter what happens.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 05, 2009, 04:29:36 PM
Keegan you over for this mate?

Aaron , i will attend this one ! I know its like $ 300 per seat and these are going to be upper level seating i beleive but i will pay to witness this because i think its going to be a huge event !!

Aaron, can i start with my excuses ?  What is the deal with this 8oz gloves that pacman always needs ? Is he not confident in his boxing skills and wants his punchers chance to win this fight ? Im sorry guys but RULES are RULES and if its in vegas , it should be 10 oz gloves as listed !

This is what pacmans camp were saying that the contract needed some minor adjustments ...gloves was one of them . You remmeber the first morales fight , as soon as morales won , pacman went on saying if i had my 8oz gloves and reyes gloves i would win . I know both will be able to wear them but this favors a puncher more than a boxer .  :'(  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 05, 2009, 04:32:59 PM
Aaron , i will attend this one ! I know its like $ 300 per seat and these are going to be upper level seating i beleive but i will pay to witness this because i think its going to be a huge event !!

Aaron, can i start with my excuses ?  What is the deal with this 8oz gloves that pacman always needs ? Is he not confident in his boxing skills and wants his punchers chance to win this fight ? Im sorry guys but RULES are RULES and if its in vegas , it should be 10 oz gloves as listed !

This is what pacmans camp were saying that the contract needed some minor adjustments ...gloves was one of them . You remmeber the first morales fight , as soon as morales won , pacman went on saying if i had my 8oz gloves and reyes gloves i would win . I know both will be able to wear them but this favors a puncher more than a boxer .  :'(  ;D

And he won. It's too early for the excuses coming out. Just be happy that fight is happening. BTW Floyd wants it at 154  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: westbo on December 05, 2009, 04:36:34 PM
great news, march 13 !! doesn't even seem to far away.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 04:37:39 PM
Aaron , i will attend this one ! I know its like $ 300 per seat and these are going to be upper level seating i beleive but i will pay to witness this because i think its going to be a huge event !!

Aaron, can i start with my excuses ?  What is the deal with this 8oz gloves that pacman always needs ? Is he not confident in his boxing skills and wants his punchers chance to win this fight ? Im sorry guys but RULES are RULES and if its in vegas , it should be 10 oz gloves as listed !

This is what pacmans camp were saying that the contract needed some minor adjustments ...gloves was one of them . You remmeber the first morales fight , as soon as morales won , pacman went on saying if i had my 8oz gloves and reyes gloves i would win . I know both will be able to wear them but this favors a puncher more than a boxer .  :'(  ;D

Manny might have power but wil he be able to beat Floyd defence for it to count.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 05, 2009, 04:38:58 PM
Manny might have power but wil he be able to beat Floyd defence for it to count.

you cant hit wats not there ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 04:41:41 PM
you cant hit wats not there ;)

haha i lost 20 pounds in morrisons today but this news has made that anger go away, its going to be unreal, i know the main event is hisotry but this even and occassion also deserves a good undercard to.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 05, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
haha i lost 20 pounds in morrisons today but this news has made that anger go away, its going to be unreal, i know the main event is hisotry but this even and occassion also deserves a good undercard to.

yeah they really should go all out with the undercard and give a night of boxing ppl will be talking about for yrs... theres no excuse for a poor undercard with the amount of money this fight with generate.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 05, 2009, 04:49:34 PM
I'm both happy and pissed that it's on. Pissed that I probably won't be able to attend but happy the fight is going ahead and that the two best P4P fighters are going head to head.

I'm still sceptical about it all because it doesn't leave much time to get the promotion off the ground, not that it needs it.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Sonny325 on December 05, 2009, 04:56:41 PM
I think this is great news. Now just need the venue sorted so can make travel plans etc. with regards promotion i hear what your saying but i think their banking on an event like this will promote itself. i read somewhere that there was only one presser planned and that was for New York on the 11th of January. It does however all seem a bit tight.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Harvey on December 05, 2009, 04:59:36 PM
you cant hit wats not there ;)

Can Mayweather run away from Manny for 12 rounds.

I think not and he will have to engage at some point.

Manny took Cottos best shots and looked like a machine on Nov 14th.

This fight deserves the true billing of a superfight.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 05, 2009, 05:06:13 PM
Can Mayweather run away from Manny for 12 rounds.

I think not and he will have to engage at some point.

Manny took Cottos best shots and looked like a machine on Nov 14th.

This fight deserves the true billing of a superfight.

theres a whole lot more to mayweathers game than running.... can manny chase him down for 12rounds and afford to take breaks like he was against cotto in every round??


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 05, 2009, 05:08:29 PM
Can Mayweather run away from Manny for 12 rounds.

I think not and he will have to engage at some point.

Manny took Cottos best shots and looked like a machine on Nov 14th.

This fight deserves the true billing of a superfight.

Harvey would you beleive me if i told you that mayweather punches will be a more impact than cottos ? Pacman did look like a machine but as you know robots do malfunction .  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Harvey on December 05, 2009, 05:13:03 PM
Harvey would you beleive me if i told you that mayweather punches will be a more impact than cottos ? Pacman did look like a machine but as you know robots do malfunction .  ;D

What I believe is that the worlds best offensive fighter is going against the worlds best defensive fighter.  ;)

I thought Manny would beat Cotto on points but never believed he would dominate Cotto.

If Mayweather beats a similar Pacman on Mar 13th then he is without a doubt the truth.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 05, 2009, 05:27:55 PM
Look for Mayweather to employ the same sort of tactics as he did against Hatton and pot shot Pacquiao as he comes in.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 05, 2009, 05:37:02 PM
Pacquiao has signed the dotted line! see ya on March 13th folks wherever this fight may be!!! :)

Updated: December 5, 2009, 9:34 AM ET
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Manny Pacquiao has signed a contract to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. in boxing's biggest fight on March 13, a source with knowledge of the meeting told spam.com on Friday night.


 
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Pacquiao and promotor Bob Arum met for two hours Friday to discuss the proposed deal, according to Pacquiao adviser Michael Koncz, who told The Associated Press that "Manny has some additional requirements, requests, which Arum didn't think was a problem.

"The requests of Manny were so realistic that Arum doesn't feel it's a problem and it's pretty much a done deal," Koncz said.

Later Friday it became a done deal, at least on the Pacquiao side, when he signed the paperwork, the source said.

Mayweather had previously agreed to terms with Golden Boy Promotions, his promoter for the HBO PPV fight, but it was unclear if he had signed a contract.

The source also disclosed other aspects of the fight, which will take place at the welterweight limit of 147 pounds for Pacquiao's title and match the top two fighters in the world, pound-for-pound.

The camps agreed to a 50-50 split of the money, which could be gargantuan. Many experts expect the fight to eclipse the all-time pay-per-view record for sales, which is the 2.44 million buys generated by Mayweather's 2007 victory against Oscar De La Hoya.

Both fighters will wear 8-ounce gloves but each fighter will be allowed to select the brand of gloves he will wear for the fight.

For promotional purposes, the bout will be referred to as Mayweather-Pacquiao, but Top Rank will receive first billing over Golden Boy throughout the promotion.

However, instead of a full-scale media tour, there will only be a single press conference in New York during the second week of January. With the schedule compressed because of the March 13 date for the fight, rather than May 1, which the promoters and HBO PPV preferred, it didn't leave time for a lengthy media tour.

The fight is going to take place March 13 because Pacquiao is running for a congressional seat in the Philippines and the elections are in May, which would have been a conflict between his training and the campaign.

Pacquiao will spend the first half of his training camp in Baguio in the Philippines, where he also trained for the first part of his camp in preparation for his 12th-round knockout victory against Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14. For the final few weeks of his training, Pacquiao and trainer Freddie Roach will relocate to Roach's Wild Card gym in Hollywood, Calif.

The site of the bout has not been finalized. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has expressed interest in bringing the fight to his new stadium as have representatives from the Superdome in New Orleans. Also in the mix is the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, which has hosted several Pacquiao and Mayweather bouts. Arum has also received a proposal for a 30,000-seat temporary stadium on the Las Vegas Strip across from the Wynn resort.

Link: http://sports.spam.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4715684 (http://sports.spam.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4715684)

I was skeptical of him training in Baguio for the first time because of distractions but after the performance that he turned in last Nov.14th this should be a good camp too regardless of what the 24/7 shows will make it out to be. At anyrate by that time the philippines will be out of the typhoon season and will be on the dry/cool season especially in Baguio where temps during that time can reach 5 celsius and does not go higher than 18 celsius during daytime.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 05:40:55 PM
Fil will we have no excuses if Manny loses about him having to rush his prep due to his politics?  ;D As the fighters do we have our terms to haha See ya there mate.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 05, 2009, 05:45:04 PM
Fil will we have no excuses if Manny loses about him having to rush his prep due to his politics?  ;D As the fighters do we have our terms to haha See ya there mate.

No excuses and the same goes for the PBF fans. I don't wanna hear about PBF not being in his prime anymore, shot, didn't have enough tune up fights and all the other BS excuses that I'm already expecting from some of the PBF fans here to churn out once their undefeated boy's 0 goes when he fights the Pacman!  ;D ;)

Manny has also fought before with only three months rest in between (ie. Diaz after Marquez fight) and if there's a fighter who can do it and still turn out a terrific performance it's none other than Manny.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gooner on December 05, 2009, 05:50:06 PM
Does anyone have any idea how much tickets will cost?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 05, 2009, 05:51:23 PM
Does anyone have any idea how much tickets will cost?

$150 -$1000, and that's if you get one through official channels! Ebay? x10.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 05, 2009, 05:52:42 PM
I really can't call this one as they're both such amazing fighters, which is why it's so exciting.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaimie77 on December 05, 2009, 06:14:44 PM
I really can't call this one as they're both such amazing fighters, which is why it's so exciting.

I agree !! Its going to be a hell of an event, lets hope the fight lives up to the hype !!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 06:19:08 PM
I agree !! Its going to be a hell of an event, lets hope the fight lives up to the hype !!

What price a draw?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on December 05, 2009, 06:26:16 PM
imagine if one of them ko's the other like prescott did to khan - how gutted would everyone feel then :D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 06:26:46 PM
Does anyone have any idea how much tickets will cost?

How many tickets will there be is a better question, so many of these will go to high rollers etc its stupid. Thats the flip side with having it somehwere else other than the mgm, the the tickets will be easier but the view will be shitter.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 06:28:02 PM
imagine if one of them ko's the other like prescott did to khan - how gutted would everyone feel then :D

Im going to the fight happy regardless of the result, a early knock down is very possible if Manny is to wild early on or Floyd gets caught cols early on like he did nearly with Hatton.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 06:28:13 PM
imagine if one of them ko's the other like prescott did to khan - how gutted would everyone feel then :D

Could be worse, it could end on a cut.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 05, 2009, 06:37:36 PM
imagine if one of them ko's the other like prescott did to khan - how gutted would everyone feel then :D

Been there, done it, bought the t-shirt.  :'(


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 06:40:06 PM
What about a good old-fashioned trilogy?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 05, 2009, 08:55:17 PM
You forgot one. vs Marquez over 12 rounds....

Pacquiao landed 157 punches at a 25% rate

Mayweather landed 290 punches at a 59% rate

For you geniuses, that's 133 more punches, at a 34% higher connect percentage. After two years out of the sport.

Damn, good luck Manny.

Not to mention Oscar was a completely weight drained with needle marks on his arms from trying to rehydrate, while he fought Floyd at 154 and even with the SOOOOOOO GREAT FREDDIE ROACH as his trainer lmao!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 05, 2009, 08:56:44 PM
you forgot also that Floyd kd Marquez once but Manny sent him to canvas 4 times in 2 fights. And Floyd wasn't really retired at all he just want to know if boxing will be same without him and I guess he was right during that 2 years.  ;D  ;D  ;D

yep, 4 total times and both decisions were disputed LMAO!!!! OWNED!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 05, 2009, 09:13:14 PM
Great News  :o

By this time next week, I hope my bank balance is short of almost £1k and I have a nice wee week booked for this.

Then its just going to be the mad rush to get a ticket.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 05, 2009, 09:39:04 PM
And he won. It's too early for the excuses coming out. Just be happy that fight is happening. BTW Floyd wants it at 154  ;D


if multiple reports say they have agreed at 147 then why is it you say he wants the fight at 154? Because a few articles have said so? I haven't seen any. I think you're just looking for more reasons to be an ignoramus... which you are doing a good job at btw.

And by the way... as i've already stated.. they were talking about fighting Foreman at 154, but with Floyd it's to much... hmmm is it because Foreman is the paper champ with a whopping 7 KO's in like 22 or so fights? Makes it safer I guess huh? lol


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 05, 2009, 09:40:57 PM
I would also say I wanted RANDOM drug tests throughout training camp and them to be checked not by the athletic commission, but by random places as well that way there can be no tampering and no pay-offs.

Did you like that one Pacsexuals?!?! WOOOOOOOOO!!!! SC ME SOME MORE BABY YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 06, 2009, 01:29:07 AM
if multiple reports say they have agreed at 147 then why is it you say he wants the fight at 154? Because a few articles have said so? I haven't seen any. I think you're just looking for more reasons to be an ignoramus... which you are doing a good job at btw.

And by the way... as i've already stated.. they were talking about fighting Foreman at 154, but with Floyd it's to much... hmmm is it because Foreman is the paper champ with a whopping 7 KO's in like 22 or so fights? Makes it safer I guess huh? lol

ok then but if floyd wants it 154 why not fight paul williams. scared? ignoramus my a$$  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 06, 2009, 01:30:26 AM
I would also say I wanted RANDOM drug tests throughout training camp and them to be checked not by the athletic commission, but by random places as well that way there can be no tampering and no pay-offs.

Did you like that one Pacsexuals?!?! WOOOOOOOOO!!!! SC ME SOME MORE BABY YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

it only shows you're affected by negative IQs. grow up will you?  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 01:35:23 AM
ok then but if floyd wants it 154 why not fight paul williams. scared? ignoramus my a$$  ;D

Then why doesn't Manny fight Williams? I think the best should be fighting the best and that is supposedly what Manny and Floyd is all about right? Whether the winner goes on to fight Williams I seriously doubt.. they both would avoid him like the plague and for good reason.

Besides... as has been posted on here like 10 million times, the fight is at 147 so why are you whining like a little bitch?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 06, 2009, 01:37:45 AM
Then why doesn't Manny fight Williams? I think the best should be fighting the best and that is supposedly what Manny and Floyd is all about right? Whether the winner goes on to fight Williams I seriously doubt.. they both would avoid him like the plague and for good reason.

Besides... as has been posted on here like 10 million times, the fight is at 147 so why are you whining like a little bitch?

Yeah, Manny is the best and he will destroy P. Williams after sending Mayweather to hospital.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 01:38:26 AM
it only shows you're affected by negative IQs. grow up will you?  ;D

Actually, it shows that I love getting to Pacsexuals like you.. so I like to see how many I can get.. to me, the more negative the more positive  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 06, 2009, 01:39:30 AM
Actually, it shows that I love getting to Pacsexuals like you.. so I like to see how many I can get.. to me, the more negative the more positive  ;D

rackin up a nice -60 there haha


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 01:39:55 AM
Yeah, Manny is the best and he will destroy P. Williams after sending Mayweather to hospital.  ;D

Mayweather going to the hospital because he breaks his hand on Manny's face you mean? Care to make a bet on the fight? 20.00 US. Got one with ManillaReds already.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 01:42:03 AM
rackin up a nice -60 there haha

I know right? Little kids sure do worship him huh? Pretty pathetic if you ask me. I don't think Jesus Christ Himself would get this much attention... actually, He doesn't now which to me is sad.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: WelshDevilRob on December 06, 2009, 01:43:29 AM
I would also say I wanted RANDOM drug tests throughout training camp and them to be checked not by the athletic commission, but by random places as well that way there can be no tampering and no pay-offs.

Did you like that one Pacsexuals?!?! WOOOOOOOOO!!!! SC ME SOME MORE BABY YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Drug tests for who?

Roger and Floyd Snr? ;D

The fights on. No excuses.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 06, 2009, 01:43:58 AM
I know right? Little kids sure do worship him huh? Pretty pathetic if you ask me. I don't think Jesus Christ Himself would get this much attention... actually, He doesn't now which to me is sad.

i can understand why they love him so much but then again i don't see why they -IQ you for slaggin him off, it's your opinion at the end of the day


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 06, 2009, 01:45:27 AM
Drug tests for who?

Roger and Floyd Snr? ;D

The fights on. No excuses.

Drug test for Meth  ;D It should turn out to be positive.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 01:46:13 AM
i can understand why they love him so much but then again i don't see why they -IQ you for slaggin him off, it's your opinion at the end of the day

It's simply because most of them cannot debate about his skills. He has power and his punch arsenal has improved greatly... I just think he is much better against a stationary target and Cotto proved that when he moved and boxed.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 06, 2009, 01:48:16 AM
It's simply because most of them cannot debate about his skills. He has power and his punch arsenal has improved greatly... I just think he is much better against a stationary target and Cotto proved that when he moved and boxed.

But he f*****g beat Cotto! So where's your point?  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 01:48:31 AM
Drug test for Meth  ;D It should turn out to be positive.  ;D

Yep, because I take supplements ... but mine are real ones... so I would test positive for a Multi-vitamin, ALA, CoQ10, Fish oil, CLA and Sesamin. I'm quite sure you would need to look those up though.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 01:49:04 AM
Drug tests for who?

Roger and Floyd Snr? ;D

The fights on. No excuses.

Them too!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 06, 2009, 01:49:49 AM
Yep, because I take supplements ... but mine are real ones... so I would test positive for a Multi-vitamin, ALA, CoQ10, Fish oil, CLA and Sesamin. I'm quite sure you would need to look those up though.

no approved therapeutic claims.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 01:50:04 AM
But he f*****g beat Cotto! So where's your point?  ;D

Well if you knew anything about boxing then you would know what I meant and why it is very important.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 01:51:51 AM
no approved therapeutic claims.  ;D

are you related to Fil by chance? because you sure did duck my question. 20.00 bet on the fight? Don't worry.. it's just a friendly bet. You can by a new helmet if you win!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 06, 2009, 01:52:40 AM
are you related to Fil by chance? because you sure did duck my question. 20.00 bet on the fight? Don't worry.. it's just a friendly bet. You can by a new helmet if you win!

Yes and no. I'll take your bet.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 06, 2009, 01:54:18 AM
Yes and no. I'll take your bet.  ;D

Let it be known to all members here that I'm taking Meths bet. And whoever doesn't pay shall leave this forum forever.

Are you ok with that Meth?  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 01:55:27 AM
Let it be know to all members here that I'm taking Meths bet. And whoever doesn't pay shall leave this forum forever.

Are you ok with that Meth?  ;D

I sure am! So we'll let the fight do the talking.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 06, 2009, 01:58:49 AM
I sure am! So we'll let the fight do the talking.

It's a deal everyone. I'll CC you when I'm capable. Haha


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 02:06:32 AM
It's a deal everyone. I'll CC you when I'm capable. Haha

alrighty then


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 02:15:58 AM
Roach thumbs down March fight for Pacquiao
December 4, 2009

Freddie Roach is definitely thrilled with a Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. showdown.

But he’s definitely not hot on a possible March 13 face-off between two of boxing’s most popular fighters today.

Roach readily thumbed down the proposed March gig being dangled by Top Rank Promotions’ big boss Bob Arum following a series of negotiations he had with Golden Boy Promotions’ CEO Richard Schaefer, representing Mayweather.
Freddie Roach

"March 13 is too fast a turnaround," said Roach from Europe, where he is currently preparing reigning World Boxing Association (WBA) light-welterweight champion Amir Khan for his Dec. 5 title defense against Dmitriy Salita.

The unbeaten Mayweather had already agreed to the fight contract, which Arum hopes Pacquiao would also approve.

As of posting time, Arum has been waiting for Pacquiao for hours at the New World Renaissance Hotel in Makati to discuss about the fight. The Filipino boxing icon was busy completing the final scenes of his action picture Wapakman to be shown on Dec. 25.

Other than Mayweather, who boasts of a 40-0 ring record, with 25 KOs, Roach is also concern about Pacquiao’s physical health, having gone 12 rounds of war with Puerto Rican Miguel Cotto just four weeks ago for the World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight title.

Although the Filipino boxing pride scored a late stoppage against the 29-year old Cotto, Pacquiao emerged out of it bearing bruises on both eyes and an injured right ear.

"Manny has a broken (right) eardrum," Roach said. "So I’d like to have more time."
Bob Arum

Arum agreed to book Pacquiao’s mega-bout with Mayweather on March 13 as the seven-time world champion is set to seek public office in the province of Saranggani in the May 10 national elections.

But Roach said the proximity of the fight and the date of election is too close for comfort that he’s not discounting distraction in training camp to come along the way.

For the three-time Trainer of the Year, it would be better if Arum and Schaefer, would be able to put off the fight at a later date, preferably shortly after the elections.

"I’d say he (Pacquiao) rest for a while, enjoy the holidays, run for elections, and Congressman Manny Pacquiao will kick Mayweather’s ass," said Roach.

Stressing the 32-year old Mayweather is a different kind of animal, Roach added Pacquaio should come in for the bout in his best possible shape.

"I hope the fight happens, yes, but I want us to be in the best possible shape," he said.

"We need time to get ready for that (fight). We have to come out with a real different style. It’s a whole different ballgame." – GMANews.TV


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: 7777 on December 06, 2009, 02:43:28 AM
Still holding my breath on this one, thinks it's far from a sealed deal  :-\


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 06, 2009, 04:52:56 AM
i can understand why they love him so much but then again i don't see why they -IQ you for slaggin him off, it's your opinion at the end of the day

I think Methodical4u makes a lot of valid points and obviously is knowledgeable when it comes to boxing as well as sports nutrition...

However, in my opinion he undermines his own credibility by resorting to child-like remarks and comments such as Pactards / Pacsexuals / dick sucking / meet me, I'll be all by myself / labelling Fil as fat etc...

Granted, it's not all one way in this respect, but I think it would be beneficial if Methodical4u just stuck to his points without resorting to the silly remarks...there's a line between good natured banter (like when I put up the stalker vid after that time when he was constantly hounding Fil) and childish playground stuff (i.e. calling people dick suckers etc) that has no place on a boxing forum, especially considering that Methodical4u has actually created a thread titled "boxing for the intelligent"...


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: motoriser on December 06, 2009, 06:48:32 AM
This fight is Far from signed.
The Manny Camp is reluctant to sign up coz they all Know Floyd is cut from a different Cloth to any of Manny's victims.
Floyd has never been decked or wabbled,he has faced brutal guys like Castillo,Corales,Chavez and still left the ring with his face intact.
Floyd is a different animal and the Manny camp know it.They really want to push this fight back to a later date.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 06, 2009, 07:37:12 AM
This fight is Far from signed.
The Manny Camp is reluctant to sign up coz they all Know Floyd is cut from a different Cloth to any of Manny's victims.
Floyd has never been decked or wabbled,he has faced brutal guys like Castillo,Corales,Chavez and still left the ring with his face intact.
Floyd is a different animal and the Manny camp know it.They really want to push this fight back to a later date.

It's on video. Manny already agreed on March 13.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 07:58:25 AM
I think Methodical4u makes a lot of valid points and obviously is knowledgeable when it comes to boxing as well as sports nutrition...

However, in my opinion he undermines his own credibility by resorting to child-like remarks and comments such as Pactards / Pacsexuals / dick sucking / meet me, I'll be all by myself / labelling Fil as fat etc...

Granted, it's not all one way in this respect, but I think it would be beneficial if Methodical4u just stuck to his points without resorting to the silly remarks...there's a line between good natured banter (like when I put up the stalker vid after that time when he was constantly hounding Fil) and childish playground stuff (i.e. calling people dick suckers etc) that has no place on a boxing forum, especially considering that Methodical4u has actually created a thread titled "boxing for the intelligent"...
did I call someone dick sucker?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 08:48:12 AM
did I call someone dick sucker?

That was actually a serious question... usually I would come up with something better than just plain "dick sucker".


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 06, 2009, 08:58:39 AM
Pacquiao-Mayweather ticket to cost a fortuneBy NICK GIONGCODecember 6, 2009, 3:45pmA ringside seat to the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather super fight next year will amount to the annual income of a minimum wage earner.

Hall of Fame promoter Bob Arum told the Bulletin Sunday that a premium seat in the March 13, 2010 welterweight title fight will cost $2,500 (P117,500), while the cheapest will be sold at $500, assuming the fight is held at the 17,000-seat MGM Grand.

If the fight is held, say, at the 80,000-capacity Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, the price of the seat would remain the same, while the inexpensive seat will be sold lower than $500.

Arum said a meeting with Golden Boy Promotions (GBP) Chief Executive Officer Richard Schaefer, who represents Mayweather, will be held Monday followed by an inspection of the Cowboys Stadium near Dallas by him and Top Rank officials is scheduled On Wednesday.

“We would know the venue by the end of this week,” said Arum, stressing that billionaire Jerry Jones, who owns the Dallas Cowboys of the National Football League, is more than willing to put up a juicy offer that could rival even Las Vegas’ proposal.

The $2,500 appears to be the most expensive ticket to a boxing event as it is slightly higher than the top seat – $2,400 – that was peddled during the June 2002 heavyweight match between Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson at the Pyramid Arena in Memphis.

Should Arum stick to the hefty price, it would be much higher than the $2,000 seat that was sold during the Oscar De La Hoya-Mayweather tiff that took place in May 2007.

Pacquiao and Mayweather are assured of $25 million each and their earnings could go up to as high as $40 million apiece depending on the pay-per-view sales.


 :( :( :(


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Marks1 on December 06, 2009, 09:10:11 AM
Pacquiao-Mayweather ticket to cost a fortuneBy NICK GIONGCODecember 6, 2009, 3:45pmA ringside seat to the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather super fight next year will amount to the annual income of a minimum wage earner.

Hall of Fame promoter Bob Arum told the Bulletin Sunday that a premium seat in the March 13, 2010 welterweight title fight will cost $2,500 (P117,500), while the cheapest will be sold at $500, assuming the fight is held at the 17,000-seat MGM Grand.

If the fight is held, say, at the 80,000-capacity Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, the price of the seat would remain the same, while the inexpensive seat will be sold lower than $500.

Arum said a meeting with Golden Boy Promotions (GBP) Chief Executive Officer Richard Schaefer, who represents Mayweather, will be held Monday followed by an inspection of the Cowboys Stadium near Dallas by him and Top Rank officials is scheduled On Wednesday.

“We would know the venue by the end of this week,” said Arum, stressing that billionaire Jerry Jones, who owns the Dallas Cowboys of the National Football League, is more than willing to put up a juicy offer that could rival even Las Vegas’ proposal.

The $2,500 appears to be the most expensive ticket to a boxing event as it is slightly higher than the top seat – $2,400 – that was peddled during the June 2002 heavyweight match between Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson at the Pyramid Arena in Memphis.

Should Arum stick to the hefty price, it would be much higher than the $2,000 seat that was sold during the Oscar De La Hoya-Mayweather tiff that took place in May 2007.

Pacquiao and Mayweather are assured of $25 million each and their earnings could go up to as high as $40 million apiece depending on the pay-per-view sales.


 :( :( :(

Thats a total p*ss take. Also if they are the equivalent of the $150 tickets, then there won't be many around so the next ones up will probably be $750 which would be the equivalent of the $300 tickets. :-\


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Sonny325 on December 06, 2009, 09:20:26 AM
thats Fookin riduculous  >:( the chances of getting a lower price ticket will be slim enough that you may be forced to go to the likes of Razorgator - Seatwave etc so you can imagine the mark up the will put on them if the base price is that high.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 06, 2009, 09:21:18 AM
That was actually a serious question... usually I would come up with something better than just plain "dick sucker".

Ok, fine, you may package it up a bit better than that but the point still stands that it's childish to even imply such things regardless of how you've wrapped it up,  and it's interesting that you can't deny my other points...

Like I said, I think you are a knowledgeable guy when it comes to boxing and sports nutrititon. For example, whilst I disagree with your view about the possibility of Pac taking steroids, I respected the fact that you backed up your argument with research on steroid testing i.e. data on how quickly they can be cleared from the body etc - whilst it's not direct evidence against Pac at least there was substance to your argument...it's a shame that the validity of your arguments can get lost amongst the unsolicited insults...

Why not just cut out all the pactard stuff and the pointless insults? Surely an 'intelligent boxing fan' would steer clear from making such childish insults?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 09:32:23 AM
Ok, fine, you may package it up a bit better than that but the point still stands that it's childish to even imply such things regardless of how you've wrapped it up,  and it's interesting that you can't deny my other points...

Like I said, I think you are a knowledgeable guy when it comes to boxing and sports nutrititon. For example, whilst I disagree with your view about the possibility of Pac taking steroids, I respected the fact that you backed up your argument with research on steroid testing i.e. data on how quickly they can be cleared from the body etc - whilst it's not direct evidence against Pac at least there was substance to your argument...it's a shame that the validity of your arguments can get lost amongst the unsolicited insults...

Why not just cut out all the pactard stuff and the pointless insults? Surely an 'intelligent boxing fan' would steer clear from making such childish insults?

Oh I wasn't denying any of your other points... I unfortunately enjoy altercation... whether in real life or over the internet... a bad habit that I have. I try to make my points as clear as possible without the insults, but others result to childish tactics.. and even in a worse way such as because I don't like their hero, they have nothing to do but sc me... so now i've made it a point to get as low as possible and insult any fan of Manny who doesn't make valid points and is just on the site to talk about him like he is Christ Himself... it's insane and amounts to nothing more than pure stupidity. At least you have come out and made a better argument than the others so I respect you for that. CC.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaimie77 on December 06, 2009, 10:25:39 AM
Thats a total p*ss take. Also if they are the equivalent of the $150 tickets, then there won't be many around so the next ones up will probably be $750 which would be the equivalent of the $300 tickets. :-\

Geez that is bad news !! Those prices could push it that little too much out of reach of most people especialy being such short notice to save up as it is, also Like Sonny325 says the tout sites will hike the prices even higher 

Going to be a very expensive trip  :(


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 11:03:03 AM
Ok i wouldve gone to see this fight live but those ticket prices are more expensive than the flight + hotel combined.

priced me out  :(


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gooner on December 06, 2009, 11:10:28 AM
Pacquiao-Mayweather ticket to cost a fortuneBy NICK GIONGCODecember 6, 2009, 3:45pmA ringside seat to the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather super fight next year will amount to the annual income of a minimum wage earner.

Hall of Fame promoter Bob Arum told the Bulletin Sunday that a premium seat in the March 13, 2010 welterweight title fight will cost $2,500 (P117,500), while the cheapest will be sold at $500, assuming the fight is held at the 17,000-seat MGM Grand.

If the fight is held, say, at the 80,000-capacity Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, the price of the seat would remain the same, while the inexpensive seat will be sold lower than $500.

Arum said a meeting with Golden Boy Promotions (GBP) Chief Executive Officer Richard Schaefer, who represents Mayweather, will be held Monday followed by an inspection of the Cowboys Stadium near Dallas by him and Top Rank officials is scheduled On Wednesday.

“We would know the venue by the end of this week,” said Arum, stressing that billionaire Jerry Jones, who owns the Dallas Cowboys of the National Football League, is more than willing to put up a juicy offer that could rival even Las Vegas’ proposal.

The $2,500 appears to be the most expensive ticket to a boxing event as it is slightly higher than the top seat – $2,400 – that was peddled during the June 2002 heavyweight match between Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson at the Pyramid Arena in Memphis.

Should Arum stick to the hefty price, it would be much higher than the $2,000 seat that was sold during the Oscar De La Hoya-Mayweather tiff that took place in May 2007.

Pacquiao and Mayweather are assured of $25 million each and their earnings could go up to as high as $40 million apiece depending on the pay-per-view sales.


 :( :( :(

That's a f***ing disgrace.  Might not go now. >:(


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 11:18:58 AM
That's a f***ing disgrace.  Might not go now. >:(

yes, and if you consider this fight could be a huge anti-climax. The fight itself is absolutly galactic. with the result being massively significant, however there is the possiblity that its a dud fight albeit a small one.

and if you fork out 3 grand for the luxury of going on a mammoth flight, having jet lag and watching a fight that stinks you will come home with an empty bank account and wondering what has happened.

ofcourse it could be once in a lifetime sizzling anticipation. electricfying atmosphere and build up/weigh in. If you fly over in good time you will enjoy ur stay and maybe see a few sights as well, and then witness one of the greatest sporting events of all time....

This is boxing.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gooner on December 06, 2009, 11:37:35 AM


ofcourse it could be once in a lifetime sizzling anticipation. electricfying atmosphere and build up/weigh in. If you fly over in good time you will enjoy ur stay and maybe see a few sights as well, and then witness one of the greatest sporting events of all time....



That's why i'm still contemplating going, but it's gonna be quite hard to convince some of my mates, who like boxing but aren't massive fans, to pay that much for tickets.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:30:40 PM
Total scam to be honest for $500 to be the lowest price, am not bothered about he high end tickets as i was never going to buy one but they have really just priced out most boxing fans with that scam.

Cowboys stadium all the way for me.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thoggy on December 06, 2009, 01:08:48 PM
i paid $500 for nose bleeder hatton mayweather fight! robbery but if you wanna be there you gotta pay,imagine all the peolple world wide who want to say they were at the greatest fight of our lifetime!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: stephen thompson on December 06, 2009, 01:36:36 PM
will only go now if my mate pulls through with comped tickets.
 I love boxing but its getting ridiculous. I've also said that if I dont go and have to watch on ppv it will be my last purchase of a major ppv fight. the charged $60 for cotto  v pacquiao and quite frankly that was way too much. lets not forget who is to blame either, the fighters ridiculous purse demands. hopkins wants over 10 million ever time he fights a live opponent. pacquiao and mayweather want a guaranteed 25 million . its absurd.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 02:07:42 PM
will only go now if my mate pulls through with comped tickets.
 I love boxing but its getting ridiculous. I've also said that if I dont go and have to watch on ppv it will be my last purchase of a major ppv fight. the charged $60 for cotto  v pacquiao and quite frankly that was way too much. lets not forget who is to blame either, the fighters ridiculous purse demands. hopkins wants over 10 million ever time he fights a live opponent. pacquiao and mayweather want a guaranteed 25 million . its absurd.

Its not adsurd because Idiots (me) are willing pay it. Certainly my last fight trip for a long time this though.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Terrible on December 06, 2009, 02:59:15 PM
Can I just say that I am disgusted with some of Mayweathers supposed demands. He is trying to get the fight at 154lbs with 10oz gloves. I admire Pacquiaos bravery for fighting as high as Welter and i think its just disgusting that Mayweather is trying to con Pacman into these rediculous demands. I think 50/50 split 8oz gloves 147lbs WBO and Ring Magazine titles on the line sounds the fairest option there is and i just hope Floyd takes his head out his ass and works this out. I also disagree that Floyd thinks he should call the shots as he is a bigger attraction than Pacman, Floyd is a 5 weight world champion whereas Manny is a 7 weight world champion. Manny has acheived every bit as much as Floyd has and theefore i think Floyd should come down from the clouds. Both are abnormal talents and may the best and FAIREST man win.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 06, 2009, 03:11:19 PM
Well, they really are milking us this time with them ticket prices!

However, is it possible that this could be a good thing so as to prevent the tickets from being gobbled up in a matter of minutes or even seconds?

It just might give more boxing fans a chance to get a ticket if they REALLY wanted one.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: whieldon on December 06, 2009, 03:20:48 PM
Can I just say that I am disgusted with some of Mayweathers supposed demands. He is trying to get the fight at 154lbs with 10oz gloves. I admire Pacquiaos bravery for fighting as high as Welter and i think its just disgusting that Mayweather is trying to con Pacman into these rediculous demands. I think 50/50 split 8oz gloves 147lbs WBO and Ring Magazine titles on the line sounds the fairest option there is and i just hope Floyd takes his head out his ass and works this out. I also disagree that Floyd thinks he should call the shots as he is a bigger attraction than Pacman, Floyd is a 5 weight world champion whereas Manny is a 7 weight world champion. Manny has acheived every bit as much as Floyd has and theefore i think Floyd should come down from the clouds. Both are abnormal talents and may the best and FAIREST man win.

lol roach was saying that pacquiao might fight foreman at 154 and mayweather has only had 1 fight at 154 :P so dont go on about tht,

also aint 10oz gloves the reccomended ones at 147 ?? i always thought it was

also both fighters will make rediculas things to see what they can get away with in the contract its not just mayweather

also bob arum announced tghe other day that mayweather has signed a contract to all the major things... lol


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 06, 2009, 03:27:11 PM
This fight is Far from signed.
The Manny Camp is reluctant to sign up coz they all Know Floyd is cut from a different Cloth to any of Manny's victims.
Floyd has never been decked or wabbled,he has faced brutal guys like Castillo,Corales,Chavez and still left the ring with his face intact.
Floyd is a different animal and the Manny camp know it.They really want to push this fight back to a later date.

Yes, he has. Wobbled against Corley (BADLY) and was officially down against Hernandez and unofficially, Zab Judah knocked him down in the 4th of their fight.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 03:53:34 PM
Yes, he has. Wobbled against Corley (BADLY) and was officially down against Hernandez and unofficially, Zab Judah knocked him down in the 4th of their fight.

floyd has a good chin, great recovery and great surivial skills as well as being dangerous when he seems vulnerable. I think these attributes will have a big say in how the pacman fight goes....the corley fight is a great fight to look at when deciding the prediction of mayweather-pacman


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: whieldon on December 06, 2009, 03:58:40 PM
Yes, he has. Wobbled against Corley (BADLY) and was officially down against Hernandez and unofficially, Zab Judah knocked him down in the 4th of their fight.

just watchexd the mayweather vs hernadez fight and when mayweather went down it was classed as a slip ...


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 04:01:42 PM
just watching the corley fight now actually and mayweather switches southpaw to deal with his opponent he looks very effective in southpaw as he does in orthodox, I reckon we could see this same thing at FMJ v MP


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 06, 2009, 04:27:42 PM
shockin prices them, they should at least make more 500 dollar seats available, the seats that are normaly $150 and $300 dollar they should make $500 dollar ones so people on a budget at least have a good chance of gettin one


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 06, 2009, 05:17:06 PM
Can I just say that I am disgusted with some of Mayweathers supposed demands. He is trying to get the fight at 154lbs with 10oz gloves. I admire Pacquiaos bravery for fighting as high as Welter and i think its just disgusting that Mayweather is trying to con Pacman into these rediculous demands. I think 50/50 split 8oz gloves 147lbs WBO and Ring Magazine titles on the line sounds the fairest option there is and i just hope Floyd takes his head out his ass and works this out. I also disagree that Floyd thinks he should call the shots as he is a bigger attraction than Pacman, Floyd is a 5 weight world champion whereas Manny is a 7 weight world champion. Manny has acheived every bit as much as Floyd has and theefore i think Floyd should come down from the clouds. Both are abnormal talents and may the best and FAIREST man win.

 why does manny want 8oz gloves when the rules in vegas are 10oz gloves .


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Terrible on December 06, 2009, 05:31:05 PM
lol roach was saying that pacquiao might fight foreman at 154 and mayweather has only had 1 fight at 154 :P so dont go on about tht,

also aint 10oz gloves the reccomended ones at 147 ?? i always thought it was

also both fighters will make rediculas things to see what they can get away with in the contract its not just mayweather

also bob arum announced tghe other day that mayweather has signed a contract to all the major things... lol

Wheildon your not telling my anything I dont already know. Yes Roach talked about going to 154 to fight Foreman, I fight at 147 and we all use 10oz gloves. After Lihtweight the recommended glove size i 10oz. However the two of them aint massive guys Pacquiao started off as a Fly and Floyd started off at Super-Feather, the 8oz just make things more interesting and more of a fight where anything can happen. Im sure both are making rediculous demands but why in Gods green earth is Floyd trying to fight Manny at 154 when Manny has a 147 title up for grabs. Its just making Floyd look more and more a shitebag when i believe he is the far superior boxer and doesnt at all need these silly demands.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Terrible on December 06, 2009, 05:32:17 PM
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Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaff_no1 on December 06, 2009, 05:53:29 PM
sorry mate there is no such thing as being fair when money is involved. I could just about to afford to pay $500 but no higher but will choose not to when I could go to Froch v Kessler for the same amount with ticket, hotel & flight included
shockin prices them, they should at least make more 500 dollar seats available, the seats that are normaly $150 and $300 dollar they should make $500 dollar ones so people on a budget at least have a good chance of gettin one


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 06, 2009, 06:24:21 PM
just watchexd the mayweather vs hernadez fight and when mayweather went down it was classed as a slip ...


Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Carlos Hernandez Pt.4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fswFNvqgyk&feature=related#normal)

Whatever brand of glasses and hearing aids you wear, exchange them.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: whieldon on December 06, 2009, 06:47:01 PM
Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Carlos Hernandez Pt.4 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fswFNvqgyk&feature=related#normal[/url])

Whatever brand of glasses and hearing aids you wear, exchange them.


sorry pal was watching him vs gernaro hernandez :)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 06, 2009, 08:02:54 PM
sorry pal was watching him vs gernaro hernandez :)

lol no problem.  ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Hitman on December 06, 2009, 08:14:23 PM
Its hardly relevant is it? the Hernandez fight was 8 years ago, its about as productive as bringing up Pacquiao's two KO defeats


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: whieldon on December 06, 2009, 09:16:40 PM
Its hardly relevant is it? the Hernandez fight was 8 years ago, its about as productive as bringing up Pacquiao's two KO defeats

o yer i agree mayweather of today is 100% different to then i was just saying srry as i was wrong xD


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 06, 2009, 11:58:13 PM
Yes, he has. Wobbled against Corley (BADLY) and was officially down against Hernandez and unofficially, Zab Judah knocked him down in the 4th of their fight.

He went down against Hernandez because of pain of a broken hand.. Judah, yes his hand touched the canvas and Corley he was stumbled, but he wasn't in danger of the fight being stopped.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 07, 2009, 12:00:08 AM
Can I just say that I am disgusted with some of Mayweathers supposed demands. He is trying to get the fight at 154lbs with 10oz gloves. I admire Pacquiaos bravery for fighting as high as Welter and i think its just disgusting that Mayweather is trying to con Pacman into these rediculous demands. I think 50/50 split 8oz gloves 147lbs WBO and Ring Magazine titles on the line sounds the fairest option there is and i just hope Floyd takes his head out his ass and works this out. I also disagree that Floyd thinks he should call the shots as he is a bigger attraction than Pacman, Floyd is a 5 weight world champion whereas Manny is a 7 weight world champion. Manny has acheived every bit as much as Floyd has and theefore i think Floyd should come down from the clouds. Both are abnormal talents and may the best and FAIREST man win.

did you actually ready what people have posted? The fight is agreed at 147 so I don't know where the 154 is coming from, and as mentioned already even if he did want it at 154 why is that different from them fighting Foreman? Oh yeah, because he is less skilled and has 8 KO's in 28 or so fights lol. What a bunch of whiners.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: hoover on December 07, 2009, 12:29:49 AM
Those prices have made my mind up, pay per view


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Terrible on December 07, 2009, 12:35:03 AM
did you actually ready what people have posted? The fight is agreed at 147 so I don't know where the 154 is coming from, and as mentioned already even if he did want it at 154 why is that different from them fighting Foreman? Oh yeah, because he is less skilled and has 8 KO's in 28 or so fights lol. What a bunch of whiners.

I wouldnt make 154lbs up you clown. Read Sky Sports Boxing. And Foreman would be a trial not the fight of Manny's life.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mooreman on December 07, 2009, 12:51:43 AM
plus the reason manny would fight Foreman at 154 is that Foreman has a title. There would be no good reason to fight Floyd at that. Sure 154 wouldnt even suit Floyd. Its all nonsense. Its definatley at 147


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 07, 2009, 01:57:33 AM
I wouldnt make 154lbs up you clown. Read Sky Sports Boxing. And Foreman would be a trial not the fight of Manny's life.

I know what all of these sites have said... but the fight according to Arum is a deal at 147, so why you and others keep bringing up 154 is beyond me, and i'm the clown? I guess we have another dense poster here.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mac-rebel021 on December 07, 2009, 02:12:48 AM
just seen a tout website  i used b4 selling tickets for $829 for section u201 mgm grand , i know the venue has not even been finalized but imo its nailed on for vegas, and when u think the section 201 was fetching $1k for mayweather v hatton fight when face value was 150 and supposedly this section is goin to be around the $500 mark , if any1 wants to check em out , there called  TicketNetwork.com


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Brick Top on December 07, 2009, 02:48:17 AM
Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Carlos Hernandez Pt.4 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fswFNvqgyk&feature=related#normal[/url])

Whatever brand of glasses and hearing aids you wear, exchange them.


that is the most annoying piece of footage ever, the HBO team kept going on about his right hand being hurt, it was his left for fucks sake!!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 07, 2009, 03:17:40 AM
Its hardly relevant is it? the Hernandez fight was 8 years ago, its about as productive as bringing up Pacquiao's two KO defeats

He went down against Hernandez because of pain of a broken hand.. Judah, yes his hand touched the canvas and Corley he was stumbled, but he wasn't in danger of the fight being stopped.

Motoriser stated Mayweather had not been wobbled or had been down, I was merely stating otherwise.

Whether he was hurt or whatnot, I do not care.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: motoriser on December 07, 2009, 05:04:45 AM
Yes, he has. Wobbled against Corley (BADLY) and was officially down against Hernandez and unofficially, Zab Judah knocked him down in the 4th of their fight.
Against Henandez,It was Henandez who stepped on Floyd's foot and that made him go down but the punch completely missed.Floyd got up straight away and never loked hurt.
Against Zab Judah It was actaully a slip and ruled as such.
The only Knockdown that has been Officially Registered against him was when he landed a left hand and when his hand broke,he leaned backwards in Pain and the Ref ruled it a technical knockdown.
But he still went on to win the fight with a Broken hand.
But still Floyd has never been put on his backside with a punch to date.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: lobbers on December 07, 2009, 10:10:56 AM
just seen a tout website  i used b4 selling tickets for $829 for section u201 mgm grand , i know the venue has not even been finalized but imo its nailed on for vegas, and when u think the section 201 was fetching $1k for mayweather v hatton fight when face value was 150 and supposedly this section is goin to be around the $500 mark , if any1 wants to check em out , there called  TicketNetwork.com
Just looked the cheapest tickets they have now are at $1226 thats a big jump in 5 hours especially when the venue has not been announced


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 07, 2009, 10:13:45 AM
If the fight has been signed am supprised Sky Sports have not yet reported that to be the situation, have any american news channels or Sky News reported it to officially on?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 07, 2009, 10:16:38 AM
Just looked the cheapest tickets they have now are at $1226 thats a big jump in 5 hours especially when the venue has not been announced

I would never trust a site selling tickets that really dont even exist yet to be honest, thats just me though.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 07, 2009, 10:27:26 AM
I would never trust a site selling tickets that really dont even exist yet to be honest, thats just me though.

What about that razorgator? or something like that, I know alot of people bought tickets for the Hatton/ Mayweather fight through that site and recieved the tickets no bother, might look on there to see what silly prices there offering.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 07, 2009, 10:32:49 AM
What about that razorgator? or something like that, I know alot of people bought tickets for the Hatton/ Mayweather fight through that site and recieved the tickets no bother, might look on there to see what silly prices there offering.

I used them for the Floyd fight and got a good deal off them, still i only bought them once they had gone on sale and they got a fair few good reviews on here.
Am not sure if there offering tickets for this fight now or if they where selling tickets for the Floyd fight prior to them going on sale but there are so many scams now.
There will compnay's offering tickets now and then delcaring themselves bust when it comes to producing the tickets and all kinds, there are some real dodgy bastards.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Meatball on December 07, 2009, 10:34:49 AM
If the fight has been signed am supprised Sky Sports have not yet reported that to be the situation, have any american news channels or Sky News reported it to officially on?

It was mentioned briefly by Ian Darke as being signed on the Khan PPV but not seen anything since


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 07, 2009, 10:43:45 AM
It was mentioned briefly by Ian Darke as being signed on the Khan PPV but not seen anything since

hmm, it is a bit wierd like. You would think they would all want to be first to release the news kind of thing unless they have been asked to wait a while by someone or other.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 07, 2009, 10:46:55 AM
hmm, it is a bit wierd like. You would think they would all want to be first to release the news kind of thing unless they have been asked to wait a while by someone or other.

Like its been said, Arum stated something will be announced today/ tomorrow so lets just wait to see.

Right now were just all working off source reports, we have nothing concrete.

We all know the prices are going to be higher than the usual but I think they might be slightly lower than what is being reported.

I think the destination is more or less going to be Las Vegas, its just now to decide the venue, MGM will no doubt burst the bank for it but T&M could also go for it as could the Wynn with the outdoor arena.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 07, 2009, 10:50:00 AM
An outdoor arena in vegas would be fantastic for this and 30,000 is not that big so everyones view should be decent, having it at cowboys stadium would make it a even better occasion should it sell out but the views from the back would not be great.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 07, 2009, 10:56:18 AM
Personally I think the only reason Dallas have put there name in the Hat is to gain a bit of exposure with the new stadium and rake it a bit of dosh for the club.

I am a big NFL fan and the Cowboys are my team, right now we are currently sitting top of our division but could still miss out as we have 4 hard games left in the regular season. The money the franchise could make allowing the stadium to be used might be the looking ahead option to us missing out on the playoffs.

The 30,000 temp stadium would be the best option but what would the weather be like at night in March? It would be the warmest of places I think in the desert.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 07, 2009, 11:14:12 AM
Against Henandez,It was Henandez who stepped on Floyd's foot and that made him go down but the punch completely missed.Floyd got up straight away and never loked hurt.
Against Zab Judah It was actaully a slip and ruled as such.
The only Knockdown that has been Officially Registered against him was when he landed a left hand and when his hand broke,he leaned backwards in Pain and the Ref ruled it a technical knockdown.
But he still went on to win the fight with a Broken hand.
But still Floyd has never been put on his backside with a punch to date.


Did you not watch the youtube clip I posted? I was talking about Carlos Hernandez, not the other one where he slipped.

You may say against Zab he slipped but it was blatantly a punch that put him down.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/206/zabkdmay.gif

As you can hopefully see it was a right hook.

If you want to go by the official history book of what happened then that's fine.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 07, 2009, 11:21:25 AM
Personally I think the only reason Dallas have put there name in the Hat is to gain a bit of exposure with the new stadium and rake it a bit of dosh for the club.

I am a big NFL fan and the Cowboys are my team, right now we are currently sitting top of our division but could still miss out as we have 4 hard games left in the regular season. The money the franchise could make allowing the stadium to be used might be the looking ahead option to us missing out on the playoffs.

The 30,000 temp stadium would be the best option but what would the weather be like at night in March? It would be the warmest of places I think in the desert.

I dont think it will be to bad, am sure the fighters would be able to keep themselves warm up untill fight time, i think sadly the mgm will get it just so they can have a larger abount of more expensive tickets.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 07, 2009, 01:31:30 PM
Not been much updates from our Pinoy friends over the past few days  ??? They usually have something constructive to tell us  ;)

Fingers crossed theres a press release later today or tomorrow, not wanting to go do anything just yet without official confirmation.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: blow_jab on December 07, 2009, 02:02:33 PM
Not been much updates from our Pinoy friends over the past few days  ??? They usually have something constructive to tell us  ;)

Fingers crossed theres a press release later today or tomorrow, not wanting to go do anything just yet without official confirmation.

as im posting this, its 9:56 pm in the phils and still no announcment was made. maybe it'll be tomorrow. i asked my brother about the developments of the fight as he lives in general santos city and is priviledged to get the latest news. no significant news at the mo but they are quite sure the fight will be on march.   


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 07, 2009, 02:07:32 PM
as im posting this, its 9:56 pm in the phils and still no announcment was made. maybe it'll be tomorrow. i asked my brother about the developments of the fight as he lives in general santos city and is priviledged to get the latest news. no significant news at the mo but they are quite sure the fight will be on march.   

I think we might have an announcement later tonight as Vegas is 8/9 Hours behind so they will just be getting up so we wont hear anything from Top Rank until afternoon at the earliest, thats if anything is announced today.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 07, 2009, 02:23:33 PM
GET ON WITH IT BOB!!!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: stephen thompson on December 07, 2009, 02:23:52 PM
aaron. I don't recall hbo even mentioning it at the weekend


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 07, 2009, 02:29:33 PM
GET ON WITH IT BOB!!!!

 ;D Well he did say on leaving Manilla that there would be an announcement on Monday. But on the Pacland forum they said he might hold off until announcing anything until Tuesday as its his 78th Birthday the same day.

Sooner the bloody better being honest!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 07, 2009, 02:31:47 PM
aaron. I don't recall hbo even mentioning it at the weekend

I know its no fun for us paitent folk  ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mac-rebel021 on December 07, 2009, 03:27:55 PM
just another thing that i noticed the ticket tout sites that i mentioned previous have no listings for tickets and said to check bk l8r but had them this morning , make of that what u want to


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Tito on December 07, 2009, 03:58:31 PM
I am a big NFL fan and the Cowboys are my team, right now we are currently sitting top of our division but could still miss out as we have 4 hard games left in the regular season.


Smart Guy  ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 07, 2009, 07:17:05 PM
I really want them to hurry up and confirm location and date. I am ready to book this and cant wait for it. My money is on the MGM all day long!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Huddersfieldterrier on December 07, 2009, 07:41:03 PM
I really want them to hurry up and confirm location and date. I am ready to book this and cant wait for it. My money is on the MGM all day long!!

i reckon it will be the wynn arena!



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gooner on December 07, 2009, 08:23:40 PM
If the fight is postponed due to an injury does anyone know of any travel companies that refund you or allow you to change the dates for a reasonable price?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Chris on December 08, 2009, 12:31:41 AM
If the fight is postponed due to an injury does anyone know of any travel companies that refund you or allow you to change the dates for a reasonable price?

You can usually change the dates for about £50-£100 with the majority of the American carriers, but check before confirming the flights. It may be different if booking through Expedia, being a middle man they complicate things..


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 08, 2009, 09:24:57 AM
If the fight is postponed due to an injury does anyone know of any travel companies that refund you or allow you to change the dates for a reasonable price?

Whoever you book it with will stitch you up if you change the dates, I have looked into it already. Most of the travel firms want you to pay the flights up front which is 80% of the total amount. Some companies take a £100 deposit but the they are alot more expensive than say expedia!!

Wish they would hurry up and confirm its in Vegas!!!!

Sort it out Bob!!



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Alba on December 08, 2009, 09:54:57 AM
Whoever you book it with will stitch you up if you change the dates, I have looked into it already. Most of the travel firms want you to pay the flights up front which is 80% of the total amount. Some companies take a £100 deposit but the they are alot more expensive than say expedia!!

Wish they would hurry up and confirm its in Vegas!!!!

Sort it out Bob!!



in fairness things are moving a lot quicker than the negociations for other big fihts recently ...


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 08, 2009, 10:05:10 AM
in fairness things are moving a lot quicker than the negociations for other big fihts recently ...

I do agree with you on that. Hope it dont go quite now till the 11th of Jan. Thats when they are supposedly having a press conference.

We need to know date and venue before Christmas!!!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 08, 2009, 10:08:44 AM
I do agree with you on that. Hope it dont go quite now till the 11th of Jan. Thats when they are supposedly having a press conference.

We need to know date and venue before Christmas!!!!

Yesterday or today there is supposed to be a announcement i thought, if its going on vegas time then its only 2am there so plenty of time yet to wait.
Hope it is done today.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 08, 2009, 10:09:29 AM
Whoever you book it with will stitch you up if you change the dates, I have looked into it already. Most of the travel firms want you to pay the flights up front which is 80% of the total amount. Some companies take a £100 deposit but the they are alot more expensive than say expedia!!

Wish they would hurry up and confirm its in Vegas!!!!

Sort it out Bob!!



Expedia quoted me £200 to change my package for March so I could go to the Pacquiao fight which was daft so I left it.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 08, 2009, 10:11:29 AM
Yesterday or today there is supposed to be a announcement i thought, if its going on vegas time then its only 2am there so plenty of time yet to wait.
Hope it is done today.

yeah thats correcto Aaron.

Today is Arums 78th Birthday so he will want to announce the biggest fight in 20/30 years on his special day.

If not something has to be announced before x-mas.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 08, 2009, 10:29:15 AM
yeah thats correcto Aaron.

Today is Arums 78th Birthday so he will want to announce the biggest fight in 20/30 years on his special day.

If not something has to be announced before x-mas.

Sounds good to me hope your right!!!! Please be Vegas!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 08, 2009, 02:37:14 PM
Bit of an update here guys...http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=23999 (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=23999)

It states that George Araneta owner of the famed Araneta Coliseum which hosted the Thrilla in Manilla had spoken with Bob Arum about hosting the event but was told there and then too forget it.

Arum said that PPV money would go to sh*t and Floyd wouldnt and he wouldnt expect Floyd to go there and fight Manny.

He and GBP will meet with Jerry Jones (Owner of The Dallas Cowboys) this week before going to meet the owners of the MGM.

He says that an announcement wont be today but should be made this weekend.

Guess its a few more days sitting waiting now eh :-\


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 08, 2009, 02:42:38 PM
Georgia anyone?!

Although Arum was contacted by the Georgia Dome on Monday, according to a source, Las Vegas still appears to be the leading candidate for hosting the fight, particularly with its MGM Grand, The Thomas & Mack Center, and a 30,000-seat outdoor stadium that is being constructed.

Another solid possibility is the Dallas Cowboys' stadium, whose owner, Jerry Jones, will meet with Arum, Schaefer and HBO's Ross Greenburg on Thursday, Koncz said. There is also the New Orleans Superdome.

According to Wikipedia, however, the Georgia Dome, completed in 1992 at a cost of $214 million, was the world's largest domed structure until 1999, when London's Millennium Dome was built.

The Georgia Dome seated a record 75,982 for the 2008 SEC football championship game. It holds an average of around 71,228 for Atlanta Falcons football games.

The Georgia Dome has housed about 75,000 and 53,000, respectively, for concerts and basketball games when it is fully open. When sectioned off, it has seated around 40,000 for events such as basketball and gymnastics.

In addition, the Georgia Dome regularly boasts eight Super Suites, 164 executive suites, a Penthouse Suite and 4,600 club seats, and features over 660 television monitors scattered about for fans who might not have the most favorable view of the fight.

If Mayweather-Pacquiao happens as expected, there would likely be a Jan. 11 press conference in New York to announce it, followed by another shortly thereafter in New York, according to a report in The Los Angeles Times


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thepowerdavies on December 08, 2009, 02:43:30 PM
Yeah I read this piece earlier - Id still fancy Vegas to be favorite but on a selfish note, I cant afford it in March so maybe the could go all out in a close fight at Dallas and a Pacquiao v Mayweather 2 could land in Vegas September time!!  :)    


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 08, 2009, 03:00:37 PM
For a week in Dallas the prices are  :o, your looking at £1k plus in a crummy 2*/3* hotel.

There is nothing to do in Dallas and a few hours away from Houston where there is more to do.

Vegas really has to be the only option for this.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: liamo on December 08, 2009, 03:02:09 PM
The hype is crazy already, cant imagin what its gonna be like come march april!!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thepowerdavies on December 08, 2009, 03:25:08 PM
For a week in Dallas the prices are  :o, your looking at £1k plus in a crummy 2*/3* hotel.

There is nothing to do in Dallas and a few hours away from Houston where there is more to do.

Vegas really has to be the only option for this.


Agree 100% Even if I could afford March you wouldn't catch me paying thousands of ££££ for a trip to Dallas. 


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: CelticHiggo on December 08, 2009, 03:29:39 PM
 Pacquiao-Mayweather not in Vegas?

The proposed March 13 Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather superfight could end up in an NFL football stadium instead of Las Vegas, the normal home of megafights. The new Dallas Cowboys Stadium, the Louisiana Superdome in New Orleans and the Georgia Dome in Atlanta are in the running. It has been agreed that the fight will be for Pacman’s WBO welterweight title and both fighters will wear 8-ounce gloves from the manufacturer of their choice.




http://www.fightnews.com/?p=32013 (http://www.fightnews.com/?p=32013)







Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 08, 2009, 03:31:49 PM

Agree 100% Even if I could afford March you wouldn't catch me paying thousands of ££££ for a trip to Dallas. 

Only good thing is that the ticket prices would be alot less in a 100k+ stadium, but I would prefer Vegas as no matter what you get a good view from any seat.

But they do say that the giant screen at the Cowboys stadium is from the 20yard line to the opposite 20yard line and is meant to give you the experience of being around 3ft away from your very own 42" HD tv.

I would rather watch it from a seat in an arena than watch it on a giant screen.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 08, 2009, 04:07:22 PM
Amir Khan may be part of Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather super-fight 

December 8: Amir Khan may be part of Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather super-fight. Amir Khan has amazed many people by his brilliant performance against Dmitriy Salita, the Ukrainian boxer who met his first defeat in years. And that too in flat 80 seconds.

Though the performance amazed many including his trainer who could not witness the first knockdown of Dmitriy Salita because it came too fast and he was not able to sit on his chair properly till that time, it did not surprise him.

Within ten seconds into fight and Dmitriy Salita was knocked down. Many people who were enjoying the fight were simply overwhelmed by Amir Khan’s power and his timing.

The young man who celebrates his twenty third birthday today says he has many more miles to go and he hasn’t reached his peak.

He is mechanical said one spectator who was watching the fight.

“It is simply the emergence of a great boxer on the world arena. He is the fastest I have ever seen”, says Mark who watched the fight.

Another boxing buff John says, “I've enjoyed watching Amir's career to date and will enjoy watching him progress over the coming years. There is already talk of a Khan v Hatton. Personally I am a big Hatton fan, but genuinely feel that Khan would win. Hatton would be a good name on Khan's card, but could it also damage him as Hatton is so inactive, ageing and slowing in boxing terms”.

Abe says, “Hatton can still kick someone on the rear, age is not the problem here, it's the training, the right person to train a boxer compensate a good reward. Like Hatton, Mayweather Sr. is not a good trainer, most of his boxer he trained were devastated and lost. Credit goes to Roach and Ariza for Khan's success”.

Bernie says, “Amir Khan has speed, strength and is a better all round boxer. If khan was trained by Mayweather Sr I still think he would still be great.”

A report on his fighting with Dmitriy Salita says, “From the signing of the contract to the delivery of the punch, boxing was, is and always will be about timing. This is Amir Khan's time. In the space of 76 seconds (only 18 more than he himself lasted against Breidis Prescott 15 months ago) the Bolton superstar – for that is what he surely is at last after quieting the few remaining boo boys on Saturday night – not only erased the memory of that defeat and consigned his shocked New York challenger, Dmitriy Salita, to anonymity but also sent a message around the fight game that he is the coming man at 10 stones”.
It was one of the most memorable fight from a boy who had that teenage look when he entered the boxing ring just a couple of years and took on some big names in the UK.

Even now he looked amazingly down to earth and doesn’t boast of his prowess or what is going to do in rings. What he does is he allows his punches speak for him, and by the way more powerfully.

Amir Khan a British boxer from Bolton, Greater Manchester, England.

He became the WBA World light-welterweight champion after defeating Andreas Kotelnik on 18 July 2009, making him Britain's third-youngest world champion after Naseem Hamed and Herbie Hide.

He was previously in the lightweight divison, where he held the Commonwealth, WBO Inter-Continental and WBA International titles. Khan is a British Pakistani belonging to the Janjua Rajput warrior clan. He is commonly known by the nicknames King Khan and Pride of Bolton.

After the dream fight and win against Dmitriy Salita who saw his first defeat, Amir Khan said, “He boxed superbly. I spoke to Kevin and I said, 'You have to bob and weave with this guy.' When you slip a guy who throws loopy shots, you're going to slip into the shots, and that's the mistake I made. I got caught and I just didn't recover from it. But he just did what he had to do. Great performance”.

A report on the fight and its consequences says, “While Khan might not yet have grasped the significance of his win, given his relaxed demeanour and unforced humility, he holds more than his World Boxing Association light-welterweight title this morning. He owns the keys to a fortune – against the likes of Manny Pacquiao, Ricky Hatton and, yes, maybe even Floyd Mayweather Jr down the road”.

Meanwhile there are speculations that Amir Khan could make his long-awaited US debut on the same bill as Manny Pacquiao's superfight with Floyd Mayweather. That showdown between the world's two best fighters has been marked down for March 13 in Las Vegas and Freddie Roach wants Khan to appear with his pal Pacman.

http://www.khabrein.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30095&Itemid=60&limit=1&limitstart=1 (http://www.khabrein.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30095&Itemid=60&limit=1&limitstart=1)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: blow_jab on December 08, 2009, 04:09:17 PM
did pac's tongue just slip? in a local interview pac said he is leaving the philippines on the month of january to begin his training. it seems that the fight will be in vegas as both pac and floyd want it there.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Jambonhead on December 08, 2009, 05:22:24 PM
if khans on the undercard as well that will be one hell of a night of boxing.

guareteed excitment. They could arguably just show pacman-mayweather on ppv with no undercards but to have khan on will make the event that bit more polished.

cant wait


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Lane on December 08, 2009, 05:25:05 PM
if khans on the undercard as well that will be one hell of a night of boxing.

guareteed excitment. They could arguably just show pacman-mayweather on ppv with no undercards but to have khan on will make the event that bit more polished.

cant wait
i can see khan fighting on the undercard but the fight taking place in england and aired to the americans that wouldnt suprise me at all


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: liamo on December 08, 2009, 05:25:37 PM
MANILA, Philippines – Floyd Mayweather, Sr. has always chosen Manny Pacquiao’s opponents to prevail over the pound-for-pound king, but the Filipino boxing icon always proved him wrong.

Not this time, though. Floyd Sr. predicted that his son, the undefeated Floyd Jr., will outpunch Pacquiao.

“Pacquiao could never beat something that came out of me,” Floyd Sr. told FightHype.com.

The outspoken trainer said Oscar de la Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto would get the better of Pacquiao, but the seven-division world champion conquered them instead.

Floyd Sr. was the trainer of Hatton for his fight against Pacquiao.

“With Pacquiao, it’s not even going to be a figuring out process. Pacquiao is terrible, man. The man don’t move his damn head, he jumps straight in,” commented the elder Mayweather.

“Lil Floyd hasn’t taken any damage in the fight game and Pacquiao knows he is fighting a different animal; ain’t going to take no damage,” he added.

Mayweather (40-0, 25 knockouts) and Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KOs) are slated to clash on March 13 in the battle between the world’s top ranked pound-for-pound fighters. It was reported that a press conference on January 11 will officially announce the fight and its details.

Pacquiao’s World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight title will reportedly be at stake. It was also reported that both fighters agreed to a 50-50 purse split.

Pacman shrugs off Floyd Sr.'s comments

Pacquiao, meanwhile, refused to get himself dragged into a "war of words" with the Mayweathers.

That's just not his style, said the reigning pound-for-pound king ang current World Boxing Organization welterweight champ.

"I don't wanna say trash talks.... tahimik lang ako siguro," Pacquiao said during the official opening of his memorabilia shop in Manila.

In fact, Pacquiao has nothing but good words for Floyd Jr.

"Mabilis at malakas din [si Mayweather], siyempre dati siyang Number 1 pound-for-pound," said the Filipino boxing star.

When asked about his choice of site where the fight should be held, Pacquiao said he would still pick Las Vegas.

"Kahit saan, basta Las Vegas," he said.

His wife Jinkee is concerned about her husband's choice of fight date with Floyd Jr. Both camps have reportedly agreed to have the fight staged on March 13, which is just three months away.

"Parang nakakatakot kasi maaga pa so mas-okay siguro kung May," said Jinkee.

She, however, said it is still Pacquiao who has the final say regarding such matters.

"Sabi niya siya ng nakaka-alam sa sarili niya," said Jinkee.

Khan as sparring mate

Pacquiao’s trainer, meanwhile, talked about his plans for his ward’s upcoming training.

Freddie Roach said he wants World Boxing Association light welterweight champion Amir Khan to be Pacquiao’s sparring mate in his training camp for the Mayweather bout.

“Amir's speed is good for Manny, and Amir is the only guy who can keep up with Manny in the gym. When they train, they are like machines,” Roach told The Daily Mirror.

Khan, who is also coached by Roach, sparred with Pacquiao before the Filipino boxing great took on de la Hoya and Hatton.

Moreover, Roach said he wants Khan to fight in the Pacquiao-Mayweather undercard. “Amir would be ready by March, no problem, for another world title defense.”

Khan recently defended his WBA title against Dmitriy Salita by technical knockout in Round 1.

“There are a lot of big names for him now, here in Britain, and in the States. [Juan Manuel] Marquez is one, while [Jose Luis] Castillo is making a comeback and has told me he wants to fight Amir,” Roach continued. “The only guy I don't want him to fight is Manny.”

– With reports from Percy Crawford of FightHype.com, David Anderson of The Daily Mirror (Mirror.co.uk) and Dyan Castillejo of ABS-CBN News


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 08, 2009, 05:26:19 PM
There is nowhere close to vegas for atmosphere on a fight week, they have the promo's playing on the big mgm screen all week outside the hotel and table clothes promoting the fight etc.
I hope the guy who ownes the wynn gets it with his temporary stadium as it would be a perfect size, 78,000 is to big for just two guys in a ring.
If your going to expect people to pay loads for a ticket atleast reward them with some kind of view and not having to watch a screen.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: liamo on December 08, 2009, 05:26:47 PM
boxrec have it down for march 13th


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Lane on December 08, 2009, 05:28:32 PM
boxrec have it down for march 13th
they have for about a week, when a fight like this gets a suggested date they always chuck it on there


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thepowerdavies on December 08, 2009, 06:52:29 PM
There is nowhere close to vegas for atmosphere on a fight week, they have the promo's playing on the big mgm screen all week outside the hotel and table clothes promoting the fight etc.
I hope the guy who ownes the wynn gets it with his temporary stadium as it would be a perfect size, 78,000 is to big for just two guys in a ring.
If your going to expect people to pay loads for a ticket atleast reward them with some kind of view and not having to watch a screen.


Totally agree m8 - I was one of the back rows in the MGM for De La Hoya v Mayweather and I was more than happy with my view of the fight!! Yep fight week in Vegas is unbeatable!! Will that temp stadium be realistic by March tho??   


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gooner on December 08, 2009, 09:23:27 PM
Arum says we should know Monday.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/pacquiao-mayweather-fight-almost-set/article1393124/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/pacquiao-mayweather-fight-almost-set/article1393124/)


Published on Tuesday, Dec. 08, 2009 3:53PM EST
 

An official announcement of a Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao fight is expected to come on Monday after a venue for the world welterweight title fight is decided, according to Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum.

“I'm very optimistic that everything will come together and we'll have an announcement by next Monday,” Arum told Reuters in a telephone interview on Tuesday.

“I think it's going to be the biggest fight of all time, certainly from a revenue standpoint. It could gross a couple of hundred million (U.S. dollars).”

The pair are considered the best pound-for-pound boxers in the world.

American Mayweather, who has won titles at five different weight classes, has a 40-0 record. Filipino Pacquiao improved to 50-3-2 when he became the first to win titles in seven classes when he stopped Miguel Cotto last month to win the WBO welterweight crown.

Arum said both fighters were on board for a March 13 clash that could generate hundreds of millions of dollars and become the biggest ever boxing promotion.

“We don't want to do an official announcement until we know where the fight's going to be held,” said Arum. “That's what we're exploring this week.

“Tomorrow we'll be in Dallas visiting with (Dallas Cowboys owner) Jerry Jones at Cowboys Stadium and hopefully by Monday of next week we'll have a venue and a deal in place.

“I know that Jerry Jones has really worked on the possibility and that's why we're meeting with him tomorrow.”

The new $1.3-billion Cowboys Stadium seats about 73,000.

Arum said there were other contenders to host the bout.

“There's the MGM in Las Vegas. In Las Vegas, that is the only possibility because the outdoor stadium will not work in March.

“We have heard but haven't really explored the (Louisiana) Superdome in New Orleans and the Georgia Dome in Atlanta.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 09, 2009, 10:17:32 AM
I would start a poll but i dont think lord mod's ( ;) ) would be very happy at another thread concerning this fight so where is your money on for venue?

MGM
Cowboys Stadium



Am going to risk it and say Cowboys stadium but am now hoping for MGM for the view.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 09, 2009, 10:19:21 AM
Arum says we should know Monday.
[url]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/pacquiao-mayweather-fight-almost-set/article1393124/[/url] ([url]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/pacquiao-mayweather-fight-almost-set/article1393124/[/url])



“Tomorrow we'll be in Dallas visiting with (Dallas Cowboys owner) Jerry Jones at Cowboys Stadium and hopefully by Monday of next week we'll have a venue and a deal in place.

“I know that Jerry Jones has really worked on the possibility and that's why we're meeting with him tomorrow.”

The new $1.3-billion Cowboys Stadium seats about 73,000.

Arum said there were other contenders to host the bout.

“There's the MGM in Las Vegas. In Las Vegas, that is the only possibility because the outdoor stadium will not work in March.

“We have heard but haven't really explored the (Louisiana) Superdome in New Orleans and the Georgia Dome in Atlanta.





Looks like its between Vegas and Dallas then and we will know on Monday!! Its going to be a long few days!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 09, 2009, 10:22:42 AM
TEAM MGM GRAND


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 09, 2009, 10:27:55 AM
TEAM MGM GRAND

I'M IN!!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 09, 2009, 10:54:37 AM
TEAM MGM GRAND

Aaron can I join your team?

I think the moneymen @ MGM cant and wont allow this sort of fight to be held outwith Vegas.

Personally I dont think this fight would sell out the Cowboys stadium, I know its a HUGE fight but 110K - nae too sure about that, but any venue in Vegas it could sell out.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 09, 2009, 10:57:28 AM
Aaron can I join your team?

I think the moneymen @ MGM cant and wont allow this sort of fight to be held outwith Vegas.

Personally I dont think this fight would sell out the Cowboys stadium, I know its a HUGE fight but 110K - nae too sure about that, but any venue in Vegas it could sell out.

haha yeah.

I think it could so 25/30 in pretty much anywhere but i agree the 80 thousand or whatever Dallas holds would be a big ask even for this, i bet even Dallas dont sell it out let alone two boxers.
Only shame about the mgm is it basically cuts most fans chances of getting a ticket from hard as hell to near impossible due to the small capacity.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 09, 2009, 10:59:23 AM
I think it will be Vegas - no insider knowledge on this, just what I think.

i. Two fighters want it in Vegas.
ii. With the economy as it is Vegas as a whole can't afford this fight to be anywhere else.
iii. Cowboys just doing this for the publicity.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 09, 2009, 11:01:15 AM
I think it will be Vegas - no insider knowledge on this, just what I think.

i. Two fighters want it in Vegas.
ii. With the economy as it is Vegas as a whole can't afford this fight to be anywhere else.
iii. Cowboys just doing this for the publicity.

From what i have seen Dallas costs a fortune for hotels etc so that could effect attandance for fans already paying through the nose for a ticket, Vegas seems to make sense now.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 09, 2009, 11:08:39 AM
From what i have seen Dallas costs a fortune for hotels etc so that could effect attandance for fans already paying through the nose for a ticket, Vegas seems to make sense now.

The other thing is Dallas aint the main city in the state of Texas. Houston is and then San Antonio which is at least a few hours away.

Dallas also would not have the hotel room capacity to look after 110k plus if it was at the Cowboys Stadium.

Cowboys are only doing this for like said above publicity and to be in the public view.

Vegas all the way for me.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 09, 2009, 11:23:34 AM
The other thing is Dallas aint the main city in the state of Texas. Houston is and then San Antonio which is at least a few hours away.

Dallas also would not have the hotel room capacity to look after 110k plus if it was at the Cowboys Stadium.

Cowboys are only doing this for like said above publicity and to be in the public view.

Vegas all the way for me.

Totally agree with you here, Vegas gets my vote all day long.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mac-rebel021 on December 09, 2009, 11:24:35 AM
By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum has confirmed that his prized possession, pound-for-pound superstar Manny Pacquiao, will train in Baguio City for his March 13 megabuck clash with former pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Conditioning expert Alex Ariza who has teamed up with trainer Freddie Roach to develop Pacquiao into a devastating punching machine since the David Diaz WBC lightweight title fight said he had talked about the training camp with Roach and they agreed that Pacquiao was “in the best mood and that was the best camp that we’ve had minus some of the distractions.”

Ariza said that whatever makes Pacquiao happy is fine with him even as he recalled that in his last training camp for the Miguel Cotto fight “he got up earlier than I’ve ever seen him get up that he does here in Los Angeles. I saw him train harder. I would be ecstatic if he chose to train up there.”

The Philippines refreshingly cool summer capital “didn’t provide that much distractions and he had maybe one or two off-days but there were extenuating circumstances for those off days but other than that it was as perfect a camp as we’ve ever had. I’d like to see the same thing happen.”

Although he would have to leave his mother and other members of his family in Los Angeles Ariza said he would go along “with what’s best for Manny and we are going to have a real good, strong and focused camp.”

He revealed that among Pacquiao’s sparring partners will be reigning WBA light welterweight champion Amir Khan who defended his title last Saturday with a brutal 77 second stoppage of previously unbeaten mandatory challenger Dmitriy Salita in Newcastle, England.

He said there was a possibility of getting Andre Berto who is scheduled to face Sugar Shane Mosley in January, also as a sparring partner.

Ariza felt that the battle with Mayweather “is not going to be so much a fight of conditioning and strength and power. This is going to be Freddie Roach at his best, coming up with strategic plans and Manny having to execute them.”


i think berto would be excellent sparring 4 pac-man really could mimick floyd and what berto lacks in speed (compared to floyd) amir khan could give that in bundles , i feel this is where roach really earns his crust if he can crack forth knoxx


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mac-rebel021 on December 09, 2009, 11:50:02 AM
manny pacquiao vs mayweather teaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaW_FcqKAF8&feature=player_embedded#normal)

excellent vid brilliantly put together


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 09, 2009, 12:14:29 PM
manny pacquiao vs mayweather teaser ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaW_FcqKAF8&feature=player_embedded#normal[/url])

excellent vid brilliantly put together


Good Vid but where are all Mayweather's best bits!! After 7 mins of showing the Pacman thought there was going to be a couple of minutes showing Mayweather knocking people out but nothing!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mac-rebel021 on December 09, 2009, 12:24:06 PM
Good Vid but where are all Mayweather's best bits!! After 7 mins of showing the Pacman thought there was going to be a couple of minutes showing Mayweather knocking people out but nothing!!


Manny pacquiao vs mayweather jr. - TRAILER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RjmoePjTk#normal)
here is another 1 for u


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 09, 2009, 12:26:33 PM
Manny pacquiao vs mayweather jr. - TRAILER ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RjmoePjTk#normal[/url])
here is another 1 for u


Nice like it. Cheers.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mac-rebel021 on December 09, 2009, 12:28:01 PM
Good Vid but where are all Mayweather's best bits!! After 7 mins of showing the Pacman thought there was going to be a couple of minutes showing Mayweather knocking people out but nothing!!

yeah but it showed his weaknesses also in that vid , when some1 boxes pacqiaou the catch him alot , so for me it makes me think what will mayweather do????


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: deck on December 09, 2009, 12:35:20 PM
yeah but it showed his weaknesses also in that vid , when some1 boxes pacqiaou the catch him alot , so for me it makes me think what will mayweather do????
Just off the top of my head I think Cotto landed 172 shots on Manny. So I would expect that Floyd would not find it hard to land. It's whether he can stop Manny from coming forward and landing that is the question. And I think he can. He may not be a big puncher but Manny's aggressivenes means he will be walking onto some fast, hard counters. It's will be a  nerveracking fight to anticipate because in ways they are so similar and yet so different. Who can impose their plan on the other and can they overcome adversity and adapt to take the fight back to their oppponent?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 12:41:27 PM
On the other hand, will Manny's constant pressure and combinations fluster Mayweather and make him lose his usual sharpness?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mac-rebel021 on December 09, 2009, 12:42:43 PM
Floyd Mayweather Jr. on "Joe Buck Live" (Complete Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB9dD6cfi0s#normal)
another vid 4 ye lads


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 09, 2009, 12:55:10 PM
MAC-REB , thanks for the video but the problem im having is that im at work and unable to watch on these media players or format that you are uploading.

MODS, any chance we can put these vids on those MEGA VIDEO format?

I just got in at work and will be staying here 10 hours which will be very boring , and wanted to waste some time watching some vids.

If you can then its very much appreciated if not then thats ok ...Have a good one.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: deck on December 09, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
On the other hand, will Manny's constant pressure and combinations fluster Mayweather and make him lose his usual sharpness?
That's always a possibility but I don't see that happening. Once Floyd's in the ringt he's a supreme professional and his concentration is 2nd to none. We've seen in the past that he will trade if he has to step up and I don't see this being any different. I don't thinbk he would sit back and take a loss if Pac is pressurising him and outworking him. He would respond and try to win by any means. I full expect Manny to bring the best out in Floyd because he many have to throw combinations to keep him away.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 01:04:28 PM
I just have a feeling that Pacquiao will be too intense for Mayweather, roll on March and we'll know for sure.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: deck on December 09, 2009, 01:17:02 PM
I just have a feeling that Pacquiao will be too intense for Mayweather, roll on March and we'll know for sure.
If you look at Manny's last 4 opponents they all tried to beat him with aggression and underestimated his power. Diaz was the weakest at 135lbs and his one dimensional aggression was perfect for Pac. Oscar thought that all he needed to do was land a left hook on the smaller fighter who has been beaten before. He was also weight drained for the fight and looked weak. That is no reflection of the bravery or great performance Manny put in but it is my opinon. Ricky fought with far, far to much aggression and absolutely no game plan. Against a very fast, hard puncher he was asking to be knocked out. Cotto, similar to Oscar thought that despite Manny's pedigree that it would be man against boy in the ring and went toe to toe early and couldn't keep away and box, the only time he was effective in the fight, because he had taken too many flush shots earlier in the fight.
Floyd has seen the mistakes of these fighters and while he is confident in his ability he won't make the mistake of just trying to take Manny out. It is not how he works. He is taller, has a longer reach, is equally as fast and tactically more clever than Manny. He will time the counters as Manny comes in, Pac's own aggression working against him this time. A lot of Manny's success has been his speed but he has not been in with an equal in that respect until now. Both are great fighters but I think that on fight night that the dynamicism of Floyd will be the reason he will win.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 09, 2009, 01:23:20 PM
Bang on deck IQ, people are saying Floyd dont have much of a punch because of his hands but i always said, when your coming in like Manny will do if one lands clean then all your momentum is basically hitting you in the face and it makes up for the so called lack of power Floyd has in his punch.
Floyd did also temporarily stun Oscar in there fight, he caught him coming in with a lovely right hand so if he can stun Oscar then am pretty certain he can hurt Manny.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 09, 2009, 01:46:18 PM

Only just joined this site but loving it already!!

You guys have just hit the nail on the head with your predictions and thoughts for the Mayweather v Pacman fight I could not agree more.

There are far to many videos of Floyd on youtube with people putting comments saying he is not the fighter everyone thinks he is and how bad he is, they clearly dont know what they are talking about!!

Here you guys know its Mayweather all the way!!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 09, 2009, 02:00:04 PM
Only just joined this site but loving it already!!

You guys have just hit the nail on the head with your predictions and thoughts for the Mayweather v Pacman fight I could not agree more.

There are far to many videos of Floyd on youtube with people putting comments saying he is not the fighter everyone thinks he is and how bad he is, they clearly dont know what they are talking about!!

Here you guys know its Mayweather all the way!!!

Typical Mayweather fanboy...  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 09, 2009, 02:24:40 PM
U have to admit bolo if hes been posting on many other sites he will have been killed by the paclanders and probably found democracy a bit overcoming  ;)

Also is the meeting today about the venue ? lots of them ticket sites are edging there bets that it will be in dallas
Typical Mayweather fanboy...  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 09, 2009, 02:29:55 PM
Typical Mayweather fanboy...  ;D

No just think the bloke deserve's more respect than he gets. Come 13th March no one will be able to say shit about him coz he will be the pound for pound champ!!! Also I will be there to watch it all happen.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 09, 2009, 03:02:03 PM
If you look at Manny's last 4 opponents they all tried to beat him with aggression and underestimated his power. Diaz was the weakest at 135lbs and his one dimensional aggression was perfect for Pac. Oscar thought that all he needed to do was land a left hook on the smaller fighter who has been beaten before. He was also weight drained for the fight and looked weak. That is no reflection of the bravery or great performance Manny put in but it is my opinon. Ricky fought with far, far to much aggression and absolutely no game plan. Against a very fast, hard puncher he was asking to be knocked out. Cotto, similar to Oscar thought that despite Manny's pedigree that it would be man against boy in the ring and went toe to toe early and couldn't keep away and box, the only time he was effective in the fight, because he had taken too many flush shots earlier in the fight.
Floyd has seen the mistakes of these fighters and while he is confident in his ability he won't make the mistake of just trying to take Manny out. It is not how he works. He is taller, has a longer reach, is equally as fast and tactically more clever than Manny. He will time the counters as Manny comes in, Pac's own aggression working against him this time. A lot of Manny's success has been his speed but he has not been in with an equal in that respect until now. Both are great fighters but I think that on fight night that the dynamicism of Floyd will be the reason he will win.

This is what ive been saying all along Deck but you detailed it much better. Pacman has hand picked the aggression fighters , 1 dimensional fighters, the come forward fighters who really dont have a plan B .

Now im not taking credit away from Pacman because these are good fighters and he ran right through them like no man has done which i applaud him for that but in March its a complete different fighter he will be up against that is basically a complete package.

Im confident in my boy mayweather jr will come through but i dont trust judges and have a strange feeling on that night , the big bosses want to see that 0 go so they can get a rematch down the line because we all know if floyd wins , Manny might not see a rematch.

Judge A - likes the volume puncher who is on the attack
Judge B - Who thrives on making other fighters miss with his exceptional defense and counters like a true sniper.

Which judge will show up ?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thepowerdavies on December 09, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
I want Pac Man to win but I dont seriously see him beating Floyd - May lead after 4 or 6 but I never see Mayweather losing a 12 round fight on the cards. He is elusive and his adaptability in fights is 2nd to none. Manny's chance is by KO and I dont see him finding Floyd enough to do it.

Hope im wrong!!!

Freddie always compliments Pac on how he listens and executes the perfect gameplan - Be interesting to see how he listens to Plan B if he's frustrated chasing Floyd getting tagged and Plan A aint working.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: PildiLagiMo on December 09, 2009, 03:24:29 PM
Here you guys know its Mayweather all the way!!!


not all of us and roach thinks otherwise.  ;D

even if you discount it won't be as easy as roach makes it sound, his confidence may indicate its not going to be as one sided as a lot of floyd fans thinks. having studied floyd vs oscar, i think roach may be seeing something (again) most of us don't see:

“I can’t wait for the fight,” said Roach on Wednesday morning (Tuesday afternoon in the US).

The confident Roach he doesn’t see his boy losing.

“We’ll kick Mayweather’s ass,” said the tough-talking Roach, who has guided Pacquiao to an incredible 16-1 record on US soil, including memorable victories over Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton.

http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/233218/roach-sees-easy-win-pacquiao (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/233218/roach-sees-easy-win-pacquiao)




Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 09, 2009, 03:28:40 PM
not all of us and roach thinks otherwise.  ;D

even if you discount it won't be as easy as roach makes it sound, his confidence may indicate its not going to be as one sided as a lot of floyd fans thinks. having studied floyd vs oscar, i think roach may be seeing something (again) most of us don't see:

“I can’t wait for the fight,” said Roach on Wednesday morning (Tuesday afternoon in the US).

The confident Roach he doesn’t see his boy losing.

“We’ll kick Mayweather’s ass,” said the tough-talking Roach, who has guided Pacquiao to an incredible 16-1 record on US soil, including memorable victories over Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton.

[url]http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/233218/roach-sees-easy-win-pacquiao[/url] ([url]http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/233218/roach-sees-easy-win-pacquiao[/url])





PildiLagiMo, i must admit that ROACH is a great trainer who has created a STAR.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: PildiLagiMo on December 09, 2009, 03:30:50 PM
This is what ive been saying all along Deck but you detailed it much better. Pacman has hand picked the aggression fighters , 1 dimensional fighters, the come forward fighters who really dont have a plan B .

sure... and 3 of those were the very same guys floyd fought.  //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: The Pastel rascal on December 09, 2009, 04:01:20 PM
sure... and 3 of those were the very same guys floyd fought.  //

Pac v Ricky Hatton - Knock out
PBF v Ricky Hatton - Sytematic dismantle to take him down whenever he wanted

No way on the planet that Pac has the skills to absolutely toy with someone round after round.

PAC is great but Floyd is the greatest - If PAC gets near him let alone hurt him I'll be amazed. The first sign of a flurry from PAC and Floyd will roll that shoulder and jab his way clear - You cannot beat it and he'll use it to get a wide UD over PAC all day long.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 04:02:55 PM
Pac v Ricky Hatton - Knock out
PBF v Ricky Hatton - Sytematic dismantle to take him down whenever he wanted

No way on the planet that Pac has the skills to absolutely toy with someone round after round.

He did just that with Cotto as the fight wore on, and also did it to Diaz at lightweight.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 09, 2009, 04:07:23 PM
If you look at Manny's last 4 opponents they all tried to beat him with aggression and underestimated his power. Diaz was the weakest at 135lbs and his one dimensional aggression was perfect for Pac. Oscar thought that all he needed to do was land a left hook on the smaller fighter who has been beaten before. He was also weight drained for the fight and looked weak. That is no reflection of the bravery or great performance Manny put in but it is my opinon. Ricky fought with far, far to much aggression and absolutely no game plan. Against a very fast, hard puncher he was asking to be knocked out. Cotto, similar to Oscar thought that despite Manny's pedigree that it would be man against boy in the ring and went toe to toe early and couldn't keep away and box, the only time he was effective in the fight, because he had taken too many flush shots earlier in the fight.
Floyd has seen the mistakes of these fighters and while he is confident in his ability he won't make the mistake of just trying to take Manny out. It is not how he works. He is taller, has a longer reach, is equally as fast and tactically more clever than Manny. He will time the counters as Manny comes in, Pac's own aggression working against him this time. A lot of Manny's success has been his speed but he has not been in with an equal in that respect until now. Both are great fighters but I think that on fight night that the dynamicism of Floyd will be the reason he will win.

IQ deck....great post and hard to this agree with any of it


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: The Pastel rascal on December 09, 2009, 04:08:46 PM
He did just that with Cotto as the fight wore on, and also did it to Diaz at lightweight.

No mate, not the Cotto fight, Cotto knew he was beat and was on his bike in the later rounds. I should have stated at the higher weights of LWW and WW.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 04:11:30 PM
No mate, not the Cotto fight, Cotto knew he was beat and was on his bike in the later rounds. I should have stated at the higher weights of LWW and WW.

Give Manny a chance, he's only had three fights in total at those weights!

And why do you think Cotto knew he was beat? Manny smacking him all over the ring had something to do with it!



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: PildiLagiMo on December 09, 2009, 04:16:07 PM
PAC is great but Floyd is the greatest - If PAC gets near him let alone hurt him I'll be amazed. The first sign of a flurry from PAC and Floyd will roll that shoulder and jab his way clear - You cannot beat it and he'll use it to get a wide UD over PAC all day long.

jab probably, but shoulder roll against a south paw is quiet iffy unless floyd starts fighting south paw also and shoulder rolls his right.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: The Pastel rascal on December 09, 2009, 04:18:39 PM
Give Manny a chance, he's only had three fights in total at those weights!

And why do you think Cotto knew he was beat? Manny smacking him all over the ring had something to do with it!



Doesn't matter how many fights he'll have PBF has shown all the way through his career how to toy with people; to hit and not get hit; to roll the shoulder and defend. It's not in Pac's makeup and is impossible for him to learn.

PAC had his hardest fight against Cotto, Mayweather would have had another easy night (albeit 12 rounds) becuase he boxes at a level that PAC cannot reach.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 04:19:44 PM
We shall see.........


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: The Pastel rascal on December 09, 2009, 04:22:42 PM
We shall see.........

It's the beauty of the mega fight - God spares we're all there to see it unfold


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: dave j on December 09, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
He did just that with Cotto as the fight wore on, and also did it to Diaz at lightweight.

mayweather is a master under pressure though mate,,i mean de la hoya threw the kitchen sink at him and didnt land a clean punch unless you count hitting the arms


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: PildiLagiMo on December 09, 2009, 04:41:19 PM
PAC had his hardest fight against Cotto, Mayweather would have had another easy night (albeit 12 rounds) becuase he boxes at a level that PAC cannot reach.

the cotto fight was harder than it should have been because pac decided he wanted to show off he can take cottos punches. and sure floyd may box another level than pac, but that doesn't lower pac one level lower than floyd overall. pac has his own advantages that floyd doesnt have like power, aggression, work rate, and combos.

floyds timing and reflexes are legendary. he likes to brag he sees all punches coming to him. but if you really look at it, that is because he is able to read his opponent and anticipate what punch they are about to throw based on their body positions. but vs. pac who is totally wild and unorthodox, he won't be able to read too much pacs next punch. plus floyd would probably have to fight a south paw with high guard rather than his comfortable shoulder roll stance. that would probably mean he will have to a bit more aggressive than usual. thats more openings for pac to capitalize on than floyds normal defensive shell. can't really wait. there is a LOT of things to look forward to in this fight, one of which pac may bring out the best of floyd. a side we have yet to see. that alone is worth this fight.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 04:41:48 PM
mayweather is a master under pressure though mate,,i mean de la hoya threw the kitchen sink at him and didnt land a clean punch unless you count hitting the arms

Yeah I know, but I don't think he's invincible. Remember Pacquiao throws blistering combinations, the like of which Floyd has yet to come across.

Anyway, I'm just hoping for a good fight, don't really care who wins.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Havoc on December 09, 2009, 04:46:10 PM
For once it will be nice to watch a fight without having my heart in my mouth. It's nice to be neutral for once nad just enjoy it.

I want Manny to win but i think PBF will be too clever for him, stay on the outside, wait for him to walk in and pot shot him off.

I think Manny's speed with give PBF problems but it will only be about 4 or 5 rounds before PBF adapts to it. I hope I am wrong but either way i'm really looking forward to this. At last the best fight the best.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: dave j on December 09, 2009, 05:27:49 PM
Yeah I know, but I don't think he's invincible. Remember Pacquiao throws blistering combinations, the like of which Floyd has yet to come across.

Anyway, I'm just hoping for a good fight, don't really care who wins.

yeah just hope its a great night of boxing,,no boxer is invincable as u say ,,i rate pacman right up there with the greats as i do floyd but i just think floyd has that edge,,well we will see anyway


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 09, 2009, 06:01:34 PM
There is ONE thing for certain, which many people here are ignoring or denying.  Floyd Mayweather Jr IS beatable!  EVERY boxer is sooner or later.  One near certainty is that Manny Pacquiao is just about the only boxer out there who can expose him and achieve what is, for many, the unthinkable defeat.  Time alone will tell, but the excitement it creates is well justified.  Personally, I have no particular allegiance.  Patriotism is not an issue here for me.  I just want to see it and I sincerely hope that Manny shows so many how wrong they were!   ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 09, 2009, 06:15:07 PM
There is ONE thing for certain, which many people here are ignoring or denying.  Floyd Mayweather Jr IS beatable!  EVERY boxer is sooner or later.  One near certainty is that Manny Pacquiao is just about the only boxer out there who can expose him and achieve what is, for many, the unthinkable defeat.  Time alone will tell, but the excitement it creates is well justified.  Personally, I have no particular allegiance.  Patriotism is not an issue here for me.  I just want to see it and I sincerely hope that Manny shows so many how wrong they were!   ;)

LOL we both agree on that bro but expect people to come up with excuses like PBF's not in his prime anymore, he's shot, he broke his hand again trying to KO Pac, he only had one comeback fight after his retirement hence his rusty and etc,etc, once Manny punishes him towards a late stoppage and knocking him down a couple of times at least that's my hunch and based on my track record I've always been proven right!  ;D lol


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Havoc on December 09, 2009, 06:45:14 PM
There is ONE thing for certain, which many people here are ignoring or denying.  Floyd Mayweather Jr IS beatable!  EVERY boxer is sooner or later.  One near certainty is that Manny Pacquiao is just about the only boxer out there who can expose him and achieve what is, for many, the unthinkable defeat.  Time alone will tell, but the excitement it creates is well justified.  Personally, I have no particular allegiance.  Patriotism is not an issue here for me.  I just want to see it and I sincerely hope that Manny shows so many how wrong they were!   ;)

I couldn't agree more he is beatable but Manny won't beat him.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 06:49:53 PM
I couldn't agree more he is beatable but Manny won't beat him.

Surely Khan will! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 09, 2009, 07:17:19 PM
the cotto fight was harder than it should have been because pac decided he wanted to show off he can take cottos punches. and sure floyd may box another level than pac, but that doesn't lower pac one level lower than floyd overall. pac has his own advantages that floyd doesnt have like power, aggression, work rate, and combos.

floyds timing and reflexes are legendary. he likes to brag he sees all punches coming to him. but if you really look at it, that is because he is able to read his opponent and anticipate what punch they are about to throw based on their body positions. but vs. pac who is totally wild and unorthodox, he won't be able to read too much pacs next punch. plus floyd would probably have to fight a south paw with high guard rather than his comfortable shoulder roll stance. that would probably mean he will have to a bit more aggressive than usual. thats more openings for pac to capitalize on than floyds normal defensive shell. can't really wait. there is a LOT of things to look forward to in this fight, one of which pac may bring out the best of floyd. a side we have yet to see. that alone is worth this fight.


That's a very good post mate. Pacquiao's unpredictabilty combined with his excellent physical attributes is what makes him a particular dangerous opponent for Mayweather, and any counter puncher for that matter. I'm taking Floyd, the style match up appears to favour him more given the problems JMM and Morales gave Manny, although no doubt Pacquiao will push him.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thepowerdavies on December 09, 2009, 07:46:44 PM
The Ultimate offense v The Ultimate Defence..


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 08:58:59 PM
The Ultimate offense v The Ultimate Defence..

Indeed.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 09, 2009, 09:05:13 PM

8CN Freddie Roach Exclusive! " We signed the contract"

December 9th, 2009
Brad Cooney


8CountNews just spoke with Freddie Roach and got an update on the status of the super fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr.  Roach informs 8CN that Manny has signed the contract, and they are waiting for Mayweather to sign his.  Roach confirms that both fighters have agreed on the purse money, and the glove size.  Freddie also confirms that Dallas, Texas is in the running as a possible venue spot for the fight. Don't miss what else Freddie Roach had to say in this exclusive 8CN interview.

8CN - Freddie, thanks for joining us. Can you give us a status update on the Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Jr fight?

FR - Everything looks good.  We have agreed on the glove size, and the weight.  I talked to Arum, Dallas wants the fight, MGM wants the fight, Yankee Stadium wants the fight, so it's just trying to find out where the venue is.  The fight looks good.

8CN - Do you think at this point anything can snag it, or throw this fight off of the tracks?

FR - Well anything is possible with Floyd Mayweather involved, but we signed our contract and that's all I care about.  There is nothing that I can do about the other guy.  I don't know if they officially signed, but we have.

8CN - Have you heard anything about New Orleans being a possible venue for the fight?

FR - I haven't heard that, but I am sure Bob Arum is looking everywhere possible.

8CN - Talk about the match-up.  How does Manny match up against Floyd?

FR - It's a difficult fight, it's the most difficult style for us to go against because he is a runner and a counter puncher.  We will go to camp and we will make some changes, we will set traps for this guy.  This is completely opposite of the Cotto fight, opposite of the Hatton fight, and opposite from the De La Hoya fight.  We will come up with a new game plan, a 10 week camp, and some changes.  We will work on setting traps and taking Floyd's speed away from him.

8CN - Many of Mayweather's detractors accuse of him cherry picking his opponents and fighting smaller guys. You are an ex fighter, and the best trainer in the world.  How do you answer his critics?

FR- It's the best fighting the best right now.  People can say what they want, but he's very good at what he does. He's not an exciting fighter, but he's good at what he does. Let's face it, he's never been beat.  We are going to come up with a great game-plan, I know my guy can do it.  We will get in shape and we will try to make it as exciting as possible. Floyd is not an offensive guy he's a very defensive fighter, but defense doesn't win fights, offense does.  We will excel in those areas, and we can match his hand-speed.  Mayweather is very clever, it's a challenge for both men.

8CN - Will you train in PI and in USA again?

FR - Yes one month in PI and one in Los Angeles. I have no problem with that.

8CN - And just to confirm, March 13th is the date?

FR - March 13th is the date, that's not going to change.

Link: http://www.8countnews.com/news/125/ARTICLE/2122/2009-12-09.html (http://www.8countnews.com/news/125/ARTICLE/2122/2009-12-09.html)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: blow_jab on December 09, 2009, 09:18:05 PM
LOL we both agree on that bro but expect people to come up with excuses like PBF's not in his prime anymore, he's shot, he broke his hand again trying to KO Pac, he only had one comeback fight after his retirement hence his rusty and etc,etc, once Manny punishes him towards a late stoppage and knocking him down a couple of times at least that's my hunch and based on my track record I've always been proven right!  ;D lol

i just love those lines.. i cant believe you've said that a lot of times already. its so classic fil.  you're a legend in your own right.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Jambonhead on December 09, 2009, 09:48:32 PM
Mayweather says hes gonna knaock pacman out and people should not be suprised when mayweather wins

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_5760333,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_5760333,00.html)

Floyd Mayweather Jr. has promised to knock Manny Pacquiao out when boxing's biggest stars finally face each other in the ring.

The undefeated American (40-0, 25 KOs) is set to meet the Filipino (50-3, 38 KOs) next year, with a March 13 welterweight clash on the cards subject to the fighters finalising contracts.

Mayweather, 32, made his bold prediction while appearing on HBO Television's Joe Buck Live on Tuesday night.

"Pacquiao's a good fighter but I've been around the sport a long time and I've dominated boxing for around 15 years now. No-one has defeated me yet so we'll have to see," he said.

"The thing is, I don't want the fans to be really shocked by what will happen when we do happen to meet up because it's not going to be anything new - he's been knocked out before and he's taken losses.

"I'll be victorious, you can believe it."

Well If pacmans camp have signed their contract and mayweather has just released this statement, how can this fight not be a done deal now?

It does feel to good to be true, just 2 weeks ago we heard the fight not get done and at earliest november time, now suddenly we are basically all signed and done for march 13th! madness


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 09:52:26 PM

"Pacquiao's a good fighter but I've been around the sport a long time and I've dominated boxing for around 15 years now. No-one has defeated me yet so we'll have to see," he said

He's not even been a pro for fifteen years!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Harvey on December 09, 2009, 09:58:58 PM
He's not even been a pro for fifteen years!

He didnt say pro !!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 09, 2009, 09:59:24 PM
He's not even been a pro for fifteen years!

that's to be expected of PBF, he likes to exaggerate too  much bro!  ;D ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 09, 2009, 10:00:39 PM
i just love those lines.. i cant believe you've said that a lot of times already. its so classic fil.  you're a legend in your own right.  ;D


I just love saying it again and again especially the past two fights...they really thought Pac was gonna get a beating from Hatton and Cotto but look at what happened!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AndyE on December 09, 2009, 10:17:06 PM
All I can say is I am ready to see this fight and I have no doubt it will be no matter what people say heart in mouth stuff no matter what fighter you support.

Manny Pacquiao Highlights - Pacman v2.0 (in HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR9FhlQydaA#normal)
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Highlight Reel Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dPy_C5tXgc#normal)

Andy.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 09, 2009, 10:27:55 PM
I just love saying it again and again especially the past two fights...they really thought Pac was gonna get a beating from Hatton and Cotto but look at what happened!  ;D

Ever noticed how no other posters on this forum gloat about the results of fights? It's called having class.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 09, 2009, 10:51:48 PM
Ever noticed how no other posters on this forum gloat about the results of fights? It's called having class.



to the victor goes the spoils If the people here were right and Manny did get beaten by Hatton or Cotto like alot of people here predicted, I bet they will be doing the same thing.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 09, 2009, 10:59:07 PM
to the victor goes the spoils If the people here were right and Manny did get beaten by Hatton or Cotto like alot of people here predicted, I bet they will be doing the same thing.

Cant speak for others Fil but i will say this...When i first came to these forums way back when hatton fought mayweather jr , i was predicting a easy win and really put down hatton which i realized how childish i was acting but at that time i was just expressing myself on how good mayweather jr really is and most of the people here had picked hatton to win by pressuring him all fight long.

Well after the fight , i came back on here and respectfully said good fight guys in a class matter and left it as is.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 11:24:17 PM
I wonder if they'll be mass suicides if Mayweather loses! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 09, 2009, 11:27:16 PM
I wonder if they'll be mass suicides if Mayweather loses! ;D

OUCH!!! Wheelchair you crack me up dude!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 11:37:22 PM
It does amaze me just how many people seem to think Mayweather is some kind of superman, yes he's very good, but not unbeatable.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 09, 2009, 11:40:08 PM
It does amaze me just how many people seem to think Mayweather is some kind of superman, yes he's very good, but not unbeatable.

u could say that about the pacman fans aswell in fairness.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 11:41:35 PM
u could say that about the pacman fans aswell in fairness.

True. If I were pressed though, I'd have to say that Manny's move through the weights has been more spectacular than Floyd's. Especially as he's spanned so many divisions.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 09, 2009, 11:42:10 PM
It does amaze me just how many people seem to think Mayweather is some kind of superman, yes he's very good, but not unbeatable.

True nobody is invincible and that includes PBF, Pacman will show us come march 13th! ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 09, 2009, 11:42:57 PM
True. If I were pressed though, I'd have to say that Manny's move through the weights has been more spectacular than Floyd's. Especially as he's spanned so many divisions.

and took the best opponents in the higher divisions too.  :)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 09, 2009, 11:45:38 PM
True nobody is invincible and that includes PBF, Pacman will show us come march 13th! ;)

so ur really saying pacman is invincible fil?? ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 09, 2009, 11:48:41 PM
and took the best opponents in the higher divisions too.  :)

well of the last 5 opponents manny has fought going up the weight classes mayweather has fought and beaten also //  and diaz is no world beater.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 09, 2009, 11:50:53 PM
not sure if this has been posted in the past day or so couldn't be bothered trawling through the thread, looks like it's all systems go to Vegas



For unspecified reasons, Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, is out of the running to host the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather super fight, Top Rank's Bob Arum told spam.com on Wednesday.

Arum, Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, who will co-promote the nearly finalized fight, and HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg were supposed to meet with Cowboys officials at the stadium on Wednesday for a tour of the facility and to talk with Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones about a site fee for the fight.

However, Arum said he received a call from Schaefer on Tuesday night cancelling the trip.

"Richard called me last night and said he won't go to Texas," Arum said. "And I told him to call Ross and tell him. And then I called Ross and said, 'You don't want me to go if he's not going. If Jerry Jones offers me money for the fight what is Pacquiao going to do? Go in the ring alone?' Schaefer just said, 'I'm not going to Texas. I'm not going to the do the fight in Texas. I'm not going to waste my time.' That's the explanation."

Arum said he asked why and Schaefer's response was, " 'The fight is March 13 and there isn't enough time to do a fight at an outdoor stadium.' It's bizarre, but that's what he said. I reminded him [that the stadium has a retractable roof]. He said it doesn't matter. I am not going to theorize. I'm just telling you what happened."

Arum, who turned 78 on Tuesday, was having a dinner party for his birthday at his Las Vegas home and was planning to leave at 7:30 a.m. Wednesday.

"I was planning to get up early and then the bombshell happened," Arum said. "Richard called and that's where we are. He may have a real good reason why he wouldn't consider Dallas. The reason he gave me, frankly, makes no sense. Maybe he has another reason that he didn't articulate it to me. But we had airline tickets booked and the three of us planned to rendezvous in Dallas and then go out to the stadium."

Jones is interested in bringing big events to his new stadium -- which could seat as many as 100,000 for a fight -- and landing Pacquiao-Mayweather was one he had in mind.

Greenburg, who was in his office in New York when reached Wednesday, had no comment. The fight will be televised on HBO PPV.

Scahefer wouldn't address the reasons he called off the trip to Texas, telling spam.com, "This is a fight our side wants and we are working very hard to finalize it. The next time you hear from us is when we have a signed deal or the negotiations have fallen apart. I want to get a deal done and once a deal is done then we will be available for comments. Until then, there is no comment from our side."

There has been interest from other venues, including the Superdome in New Orleans, although Las Vegas, specifically the MGM Grand, is believed to be the front-runner to host what many believe will be the richest fight in boxing history. The MGM, which has a close relationship with Golden Boy and Top Rank, has hosted several Pacquiao and Mayweather bouts, including their most recent fights -- Mayweather's shutout decision of Juan Manuel Marquez on Sept. 19 and Pacquiao's 12th-round knockout of Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14.

The Miami Dolphins are also interested in hosting the fight at Land Shark Stadium, going so far as to send out e-mails to their season ticket holders to gauge their interest in buying tickets for the event.

http://sports.spam.go.com/dallas/news/story?id=4729058&campaign=rss&source=BOXINGHeadlines (http://sports.spam.go.com/dallas/news/story?id=4729058&campaign=rss&source=BOXINGHeadlines)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 11:51:06 PM
Its a shame Mayweather avoided/didn't fight Cotto though, he really should have taken that fight previously.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 09, 2009, 11:52:37 PM
couldn't be bothered trawling through the thread

Hang your head in shame you lazy bugger! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 09, 2009, 11:53:19 PM
Hang your head in shame you lazy bugger! ;D


ey i didn't have to share  >:<

it's on here as well

http://sport.stv.tv/boxing/143272-dallas-bids-for-pacquiao-v-mayweather-mega-fight/ (http://sport.stv.tv/boxing/143272-dallas-bids-for-pacquiao-v-mayweather-mega-fight/)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 10, 2009, 12:03:35 AM
ey i didn't have to share  >:<

it's on here as well

[url]http://sport.stv.tv/boxing/143272-dallas-bids-for-pacquiao-v-mayweather-mega-fight/[/url] ([url]http://sport.stv.tv/boxing/143272-dallas-bids-for-pacquiao-v-mayweather-mega-fight/[/url])


Sound like we are not going to end up in the middle of nowhere in March then  :)   anyone who was looking forward to the beautiful flat landscape, packing their stetsons and miles of nothingness  hard luck.
Its the MGM's all the way,  great arena, good views from all the seats  BUT not enough capacity  >:(


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 10, 2009, 12:07:07 AM
well of the last 5 opponents manny has fought going up the weight classes mayweather has fought and beaten also //  and diaz is no world beater.

he didn't beat Cotto didn't he? after beating Ricky he didn't felt the need to take on the top welters in the world. While Manny fought the top dog at 140 and at 147.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 10, 2009, 12:09:47 AM
he didn't beat Cotto didn't he? after beating Ricky he didn't felt the need to take on the top welters in the world. While Manny fought the top dog at 140 and at 147.

i meant to put in that flyod had beaten 3 of the 5 manny has faced sorry.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 10, 2009, 12:44:00 AM
Everyones a winner apart from the MGM. The Cowboys new stadium got abit of publicity, Arum/Golden Boy make the MGM pay more notes hyping up competition to host the event that never really existed in the first place.

Did anyone really think this wasnt going to vegas?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 10, 2009, 12:47:43 AM
Everyones a winner apart from the MGM. The Cowboys new stadium got abit of publicity, Arum/Golden Boy make the MGM pay more notes hyping up competition to host the event that never really existed in the first place.

Did anyone really think this wasnt going to vegas?

nope. never in doubt.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 10, 2009, 12:50:20 AM
Everyones a winner apart from the MGM. The Cowboys new stadium got abit of publicity, Arum/Golden Boy make the MGM pay more notes hyping up competition to host the event that never really existed in the first place.

Did anyone really think this wasnt going to vegas?

Never  but Vegas with a bigger venue would have been good  :)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 10, 2009, 12:56:02 AM
nope. never in doubt.

I second that.  ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: liamo on December 10, 2009, 12:58:05 AM
Not sure if this is the right thread but just thinking to my self after seeing che guevara's gif, i know age comes into to it a bit but, looking at how manny managed with JMM and how Floyd did, you would have to think this is gonna be a walk in the park for mr mayweather!

but then i suppose you could argue at how manny had ricky out 8 rounds quicker then floyd but i think ricky was a very different boxer in these fights! ricky would have beaten manny in december 07! i have no doubt about this!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Alvy on December 10, 2009, 01:02:12 AM
It does amaze me just how many people seem to think Mayweather is some kind of superman, yes he's very good, but not unbeatable.

Nobodies unbeatable... but Floyd may be the nearest thing to it. The fella's pure class.

When it comes to this boxing shit.... Floyd has the game sussed, Trust me  8)

However, Manny is a sensational fighter and I give him a real shot.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 10, 2009, 01:14:18 AM
Not sure if this is the right thread but just thinking to my self after seeing che guevara's gif, i know age comes into to it a bit but, looking at how manny managed with JMM and how Floyd did, you would have to think this is gonna be a walk in the park for mr mayweather!

but then i suppose you could argue at how manny had ricky out 8 rounds quicker then floyd but i think ricky was a very different boxer in these fights! ricky would have beaten manny in december 07! i have no doubt about this!

conjecture, speculation and maybe.  but seriously Ricky's tactics were better against Floyd until the red mist descended, against Manny I didn't see any tactics.
Watching the PBF fight was frustrating and I put that down to "firm but fair" Cortez, there was a gameplan but at every opportunity it was thwarted. 
The Manny fight anyone who went to the weigh in and looked at Ricky knew it was doomed,  tactics what tactics I don't thing he had a f***ing clue what to do  so he just went gung ho hoping for the best.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: liamo on December 10, 2009, 01:19:20 AM
conjecture, speculation and maybe.  but seriously Ricky's tactics were better against Floyd until the red mist descended, against Manny I didn't see any tactics.
Watching the PBF fight was frustrating and I put that down to "firm but fair" Cortez, there was a gameplan but at every opportunity it was thwarted. 
The Manny fight anyone who went to the weigh in and looked at Ricky knew it was doomed,  tactics what tactics I don't thing he had a f***ing clue what to do  so he just went gung ho hoping for the best.
could you elaborate on this? how did he look at the weigh-in, because from what i saw he said once again to put your house on him!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Frozzy on December 10, 2009, 01:20:20 AM
Quote
The Manny fight anyone who went to the weigh in and looked at Ricky knew it was doomed

I Totally Agree With this....He May Have Looked Confident, But He Wasnt The Same Hatton Ive Seen At Previous Weigh Ins....Something Wasnt Right And You Could See That Straight Away!

I Also Agree With Your Point About There Being No Gameplan On Hattons Side....We Can Guarantee Mayweather Wont Make That Mistake. What Floyd Lacks In Power He Makes Up For In The Mind And I Believe If He Gets Into The Head Of Manny, He Can Win This Fight Before The First Bell. I Give Manny Pacquiao All The Credit In The World For What Hes Achieved And I Am A Fan Of Him But From A Neutral Perspective I Cant Look Past Mayweather! Either Way It Will Be One Hell of A Fight!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 10, 2009, 01:24:16 AM
The first minute of the Mayweather-Hatton fight was proof the two were in different leagues. Ricky never saw any of the left hooks coming.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 10, 2009, 01:29:38 AM
FIGHT WILL NOT BE IN TEXAS !

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For unspecified reasons, Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, is out of the running to host the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather super fight, Top Rank's Bob Arum told spam.com on Wednesday.

Arum, Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, who will co-promote the nearly finalized fight, and HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg were supposed to meet with Cowboys officials at the stadium on Wednesday for a tour of the facility and to talk with Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones about a site fee for the fight.

However, Arum said he received a call from Schaefer on Tuesday night cancelling the trip.

"Richard called me last night and said he won't go to Texas," Arum said. "And I told him to call Ross and tell him. And then I called Ross and said, 'You don't want me to go if he's not going. If Jerry Jones offers me money for the fight what is Pacquiao going to do? Go in the ring alone?' Schaefer just said, 'I'm not going to Texas. I'm not going to the do the fight in Texas. I'm not going to waste my time.' That's the explanation."

Arum said he asked why and Schaefer's response was, " 'The fight is March 13 and there isn't enough time to do a fight at an outdoor stadium.' It's bizarre, but that's what he said. I reminded him [that the stadium has a retractable roof]. He said it doesn't matter. I am not going to theorize. I'm just telling you what happened."

The Cowboys declined to comment when reached by ESPNDallas.com on Wednesday.

Arum, who turned 78 on Tuesday, was having a dinner party for his birthday at his Las Vegas home and was planning to leave at 7:30 a.m. Wednesday.

"I was planning to get up early and then the bombshell happened," Arum said. "Richard called and that's where we are. He may have a real good reason why he wouldn't consider Dallas. The reason he gave me, frankly, makes no sense. Maybe he has another reason that he didn't articulate it to me. But we had airline tickets booked and the three of us planned to rendezvous in Dallas and then go out to the stadium."

Jones is interested in bringing big events to his new stadium -- which could seat as many as 100,000 for a fight -- and landing Pacquiao-Mayweather was one he had in mind.

Greenburg, who was in his office in New York when reached Wednesday, had no comment. The fight will be televised on HBO PPV.

Scahefer wouldn't address the reasons he called off the trip to Texas, telling spam.com, "This is a fight our side wants and we are working very hard to finalize it. The next time you hear from us is when we have a signed deal or the negotiations have fallen apart. I want to get a deal done and once a deal is done then we will be available for comments. Until then, there is no comment from our side."

There has been interest from other venues, including the Superdome in New Orleans, although Las Vegas, specifically the MGM Grand, is believed to be the front-runner to host what many believe will be the richest fight in boxing history. The MGM, which has a close relationship with Golden Boy and Top Rank, has hosted several Pacquiao and Mayweather bouts, including their most recent fights -- Mayweather's shutout decision of Juan Manuel Marquez on Sept. 19 and Pacquiao's 12th-round knockout of Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14.

The Miami Dolphins are also interested in hosting the fight at Land Shark Stadium, going so far as to send out e-mails to their season ticket holders to gauge their interest in buying tickets for the event.

Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for spam.com.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 10, 2009, 01:49:54 AM
could you elaborate on this? how did he look at the weigh-in, because from what i saw he said once again to put your house on him!

Keegan you will find that article a page or so back,  but I am happy I don't have to travel to Dallas.

lmao
Did you?   what the hell was he supposed to say going into the fight.  "I am ill prepared"  "I feel weak at the weight"    the conditioning wasn't there.  Ricky made the weight but what was left of his muscle mass was all wrong.  I can't back up this comment with facts on whatever fighters do to make the weight properly all I can say is  I knew that he didn't look good.
 
I also read all the negative comments straight after the fight on the old hatton forum,  thanks to Box4 and Disco's superior internet savy phones.   Wow on how many forum members chucked straight back "you can bet your house on me".


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: liamo on December 10, 2009, 02:02:31 AM
Keegan you will find that article a page or so back,  but I am happy I don't have to travel to Dallas.

lmao
Did you?   what the hell was he supposed to say going into the fight.  "I am ill prepared"  "I feel weak at the weight"    the conditioning wasn't there.  Ricky made the weight but what was left of his muscle mass was all wrong.  I can't back up this comment with facts on whatever fighters do to make the weight properly all I can say is  I knew that he didn't look good.
 
I also read all the negative comments straight after the fight on the old hatton forum,  thanks to Box4 and Disco's superior internet savy phones.   Wow on how many forum members chucked straight back "you can bet your house on me".
maybbe im tired but that did not make much sense to me! i'l take your word for it!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 10, 2009, 02:19:05 AM
he didn't beat Cotto didn't he? after beating Ricky he didn't felt the need to take on the top welters in the world. While Manny fought the top dog at 140 and at 147.

again... isn't Mosley the top dog at 147? And while the win may have been impressive, it will be tainted by Roach running off at the mouth saying before the fight that Cotto was damaged goods... which is why he would allow Manny to go into that fight at 145, but Mosley had to be 143, because Mosley can punch and could KO Manny pretty easily... Roach knows it too and so yet again he tried for the catchweight crap. At least so far his fight with Floyd won't be at a catchweight and you wanna know the reason for that? He can't get away with it and make the fight because now the fight is allllllll about the money for Manny and Roach.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 10, 2009, 02:20:43 AM
Not sure if this is the right thread but just thinking to my self after seeing che guevara's gif, i know age comes into to it a bit but, looking at how manny managed with JMM and how Floyd did, you would have to think this is gonna be a walk in the park for mr mayweather!

but then i suppose you could argue at how manny had ricky out 8 rounds quicker then floyd but i think ricky was a very different boxer in these fights! ricky would have beaten manny in december 07! i have no doubt about this!

Floyd showed the way to beat Ricky... coming in with his gloves down and a left hook... all Roach did was copy what Floyd already did.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: great_boxer on December 10, 2009, 05:47:55 AM
Truely a very exciting fight and i am rooting for a pacquiao knockout. Only way he will lose is if PBF dances and bore the audience to death.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: whieldon on December 10, 2009, 09:01:20 AM
Truely a very exciting fight and i am rooting for a pacquiao knockout. Only way he will lose is if PBF dances and bore the audience to death.

that dancing is not boring its boxing :)

boxing is about standing there hitting each over its hitting ur opponent and not getting hit back ;)

it will be a great great great fight and really exciting :)

im going for a mayweather UD win


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 10, 2009, 09:27:06 AM
Ricky made the weight but what was left of his muscle mass was all wrong.  I can't back up this comment with facts on whatever fighters do to make the weight properly all I can say is  I knew that he didn't look good.
 


To be fair, I've seen Hatton at a number of weigh-ins over the years and he's looked bloody awful most the time!  Gaunt, waif-like, cold sores, pale skin.  You'd struggle to find one where he looked real good.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 10, 2009, 09:34:47 AM
To be fair, I've seen Hatton at a number of weigh-ins over the years and he's looked bloody awful most the time!  Gaunt, waif-like, cold sores, pale skin.  You'd struggle to find one where he looked real good.
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Can see where you are coming from,  I don't know why but something didn't look right at the Manny weigh in  maybe it was lack of exuberence  :-\  wish I could pinpoint what it was.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: joey_ed27 on December 10, 2009, 10:05:05 AM
.

Can see where you are coming from,  I don't know why but something didn't look right at the Manny weigh in  maybe it was lack of exuberence  :-\  wish I could pinpoint what it was.

Seriously mate?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Rexo on December 10, 2009, 10:06:23 AM
The first minute of the Mayweather-Hatton fight was proof the two were in different leagues. Ricky never saw any of the left hooks coming.

Dont know about that, Ricky caught Mayweather with some stinging shots in the first few rounds and Mayweather looked uneasy until Ricky opened up and Floyd found his rhythm.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 10, 2009, 10:24:19 AM
Seriously mate?


maybe it was just me joey or my womans intuition  :)   but seen many Ricky weigh ins and came out of that one with a really bad feeling.   
anyway its gone now and Manny has proved many doubters wrong with his ability to carry the speed up through the weights and truly deserves his No.1 ranking.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Cheesyname on December 10, 2009, 10:35:47 AM
The final confirmation for me was the ring walk. He pretty much sprinted into the ring, never looked ready or comfortable or like he wanted to be there.

Blue moon had barely started and it was all done and dusted


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: TC on December 10, 2009, 10:54:51 AM
still don't really see why they cant have it at the Sam Boyd stadium in Vegas. Casinos can still comp their high rollers, and i'd guess you could get at least 30,000 people in, and probably more than that.

(http://collegeprowler.com/images/standard/1622/sam-boyd-stadium.jpeg)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thoggy on December 10, 2009, 11:55:46 AM
serious? the place looks like a college field!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 10, 2009, 11:57:59 AM
serious? the place looks like a college field!

Haha I was thinking the same thing. Hardly worthy of the best fight in years!!!

MGM all the way. I know it will be very hard or very expensive or both to get a ticket but its where the fight belongs!!!



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: TC on December 10, 2009, 12:00:13 PM
serious? the place looks like a college field!

That's because it is.

MGM arena isn't some ancient site of wonder or anything. it's just Sheffield arena stuck on a casino in a desert.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Jambonhead on December 10, 2009, 12:43:44 PM
Id rather watch it at home if it was in a stadium you cant see shit if are up in the stands. maximum a boxing event should hold is 20k any more and you need binoculars


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: PildiLagiMo on December 10, 2009, 02:40:52 PM
All I can say is I am ready to see this fight and I have no doubt it will be no matter what people say heart in mouth stuff no matter what fighter you support.

Manny Pacquiao Highlights - Pacman v2.0 (in HD) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR9FhlQydaA#normal[/url])
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Highlight Reel Video ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dPy_C5tXgc#normal[/url])

Andy.


thanks for those vids Andy CC. can't really help noticing tho how old the fights in floyds highlights.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 10, 2009, 02:48:28 PM
The first minute of the Mayweather-Hatton fight was proof the two were in different leagues. Ricky never saw any of the left hooks coming.

have to agree when many looked at the near stumble of floyd as a big thing but not noticing on how many times floyd landed accurate hooks in the first round .


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 10, 2009, 02:51:14 PM
That's because it is.

MGM arena isn't some ancient site of wonder or anything. it's just Sheffield arena stuck on a casino in a desert.

Guess you've not been then?  Just something about the MGM Garden Arena, quite apart from it's compact size and good views.
Haha I was thinking the same thing. Hardly worthy of the best fight in years!!!

MGM all the way. I know it will be very hard or very expensive or both to get a ticket but its where the fight belongs!!!



Absolutely agree!  Very frustrating trying to get tickets, the price you might have to pay, but it just HAS to be there somehow.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 10, 2009, 02:52:47 PM
Floyds massive advantage over a lot of fighters is his speed, but more to do with his reach, his speed and reach combined make it very hard to get out of range of his shots and that for me is why he will beat manny. long pot shots like he hit ricky with time and time again but i truely believe he will stop pac as a result.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: CelticHiggo on December 10, 2009, 03:32:21 PM
Pacquiao-Mayweather Update
Arum: I am very disillusioned By Nick Giongco

Promoter Bob Arum feels something strange is about to happen in the negotiations to finally formalize the March 13, 2010 super showdown between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. “I think Richard (Schaefer) has an agenda,” Arum told Manila Bulletin and Fightnews early yesterday afternoon (late Wednesday night in the US), referring to the Golden Boy Promotions (GBP) Chief Executive Officer who represents Mayweather in dealing with Arum’s Top Rank Inc.
An inspection tour of the Cowboys Stadium in Dallas and a meeting with the stadium owner, Texas billionaire Jerry Jones, had been penciled for Wednesday by Arum, Schaefer and HBO Sports executive Ross Greenburg. But a call to Arum by Schaefer on Tuesday night–as Arum was celebrating his 78th birthday–ruined the promoter’s special day.

Arum has been very upbeat and vocal the past week after securing the go-signal from Pacquiao in Manila to continue holding talks with Schaefer so an announcement can be made soon.

In fact, Arum even talked with Schaefer on the phone on Monday, disclosing that everything is right on track.

“I am very disillusioned,” said Arum, who is at a loss as to what move to make next.

While Arum did not say that negotiations have fallen apart, the stunning development did put talks on hold as Arum had been quoted that an announcement is forthcoming.

A major press conference with Pacquiao and Mayweather in attendance was being planned for Jan. 6 in New York in lieue of a lengthy publicity tour.

Now that Dallas appears to be out of the race–the MGM Grand in Las Vegas–has strengthened its chances of landing the mega much match even if there are other offers from Atlanta, New Orleans and even Los Angeles, which is dangling a $20 million offer to hold the fight at the Staples Center.

“We’ll see, we’ll see,” mumbled Arum when asked about what’s likely to happen next


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thoggy on December 10, 2009, 03:53:58 PM
That's because it is.

MGM arena isn't some ancient site of wonder or anything. it's just Sheffield arena stuck on a casino in a desert.
your not right mate,have you ever been to vegas and the mgm? comparing sheffield arena to the mgm grand garden arena is the most stupid thing i've ever heard. you not familiar with what an electric atmosphere feels like? that college field place probably doesn't even have a bar.
i can see it now,the biggest fight of our life time held at a junior softball field!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 10, 2009, 03:56:04 PM
I always think that when someone like Arum starts to reveal every detail of the negotiating process like this, it's hype for the fight and nothing more.  So there's gonna be some hiccups, eh Bob?  You don't say!!!   ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 10, 2009, 04:58:10 PM
Dont know about that, Ricky caught Mayweather with some stinging shots in the first few rounds and Mayweather looked uneasy until Ricky opened up and Floyd found his rhythm.

watch the fight again and mute the garbage jim watt is talking on the commentary, hatton landed f*ck all in any round certainly nothing that had mayweather in trouble. he was outclassed from very first bell, i watch this fight again recently and was abs amazed at how easy the fight was for mayweather.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 10, 2009, 05:02:36 PM
watch the fight again and mute the garbage jim watt is talking on the commentary, hatton landed f*ck all in any round certainly nothing that had mayweather in trouble. he was outclassed from very first bell, i watch this fight again recently and was abs amazed at how easy the fight was for mayweather.

everyone goes on about Mayweather being rocked, if you watch closely it was Mayweather who was off balance and stumbled, it had nothing to do with Hattons punches at all.

Mayweather let Hatton come at him at the start just watching his gameplan figuring out his own strategy before executing it perfectly.

The media made us all believe he would win, I think even Ricky himself believed in the media hype.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: BrownBomber on December 10, 2009, 05:02:42 PM
Floyds massive advantage over a lot of fighters is his speed, but more to do with his reach, his speed and reach combined make it very hard to get out of range of his shots and that for me is why he will beat manny.

Agreed - it's that reach that keeps him out of trouble in the tight, combined with the footwork it makes a daunting task to pin him down.


long pot shots like he hit ricky with time and time again but i truely believe he will stop pac as a result.

I'm not convinced of a stoppage as much as I was, Mayweather is not the biggest puncher @147 but it's that timing and accuracy that kills.

Pacquiao is not difficult to tag yet is teak tough, I can see gim getting busted up badly during the fight but I wouldn't put money on him being stopped.

Despite this, he comes to fight which is right up Floyd's avenue -  all this talk of setting traps for Floyd Mayweather seems a bit fanciful to me, it's not Manny's all action game.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 10, 2009, 05:20:20 PM
Agreed - it's that reach that keeps him out of trouble in the tight, combined with the footwork it makes a daunting task to pin him down.


I'm not convinced of a stoppage as much as I was, Mayweather is not the biggest puncher @147 but it's that timing and accuracy that kills.

Pacquiao is not difficult to tag yet is teak tough, I can see gim getting busted up badly during the fight but I wouldn't put money on him being stopped.

Despite this, he comes to fight which is right up Floyd's avenue -  all this talk of setting traps for Floyd Mayweather seems a bit fanciful to me, it's not Manny's all action game.

Plus PBF also has hand problems, I can see him breaking his hand in this fight if he tries hard to KO Manny especially if he's gonna be using 8 oz cleto reyes gloves.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: BrownBomber on December 10, 2009, 05:38:28 PM
Plus PBF also has hand problems, I can see him breaking his hand in this fight if he tries hard to KO Manny especially if he's gonna be using 8 oz cleto reyes gloves.

Can't see Floyd going all out for a ko if he's cruising, is Manny gets reckless and charges then I could see a possible ko, Mayweather won't chase the stoppage and won't need to against Manny, counter punching is his trade and his shot wastage is minimal, definitely see his work rate at a different level in this fight though Fil which I'm fascintaed by.

The pace of the Hatton fight will be similar to the Manny fight for me and look how Floyd rode with the tide and pounced later on, Manny will cause more problems than Hatton for sure but I see a similiar outcome if Manny goes hunting recklessly.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 10, 2009, 05:40:41 PM
Can't see Floyd going all out for a ko if he's cruising, is Manny gets reckless and charges then I could see a possible ko, Mayweather won't chase the stoppage and won't need to against Manny, counter punching is his trade and his shot wastage is minimal, definitely see his work rate at a different level in this fight though Fil which I'm fascintaed by.

The pace of the Hatton fight will be similar to the Manny fight for me and look how Floyd rode with the tide and pounced later on, Manny will cause more problems than Hatton for sure but I see a similiar outcome if Manny goes hunting recklessly.

what do you think the chances are of PBF breaking his hand in this fight?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: BrownBomber on December 10, 2009, 05:46:40 PM
what do you think the chances are of PBF breaking his hand in this fight?

The same as any other fight tbh - he still has the ability to look as if he's in his comfort zone - even against fighters as good as Manny.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Buckers on December 10, 2009, 05:50:36 PM
watch the fight again and mute the garbage jim watt is talking on the commentary, hatton landed f*ck all in any round certainly nothing that had mayweather in trouble. he was outclassed from very first bell, i watch this fight again recently and was abs amazed at how easy the fight was for mayweather.

Actually mate just before Hatton throws the left jab in the first round which Floyd nearlly trips over trying to get away from, ricky lands a sweet counter right hook as Floyd ducks trying to go for the body shot. So to say he landed f*ck all is harsh especially when he won the 5th round on all the judges scorecards.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 10, 2009, 05:56:25 PM
Actually mate just before Hatton throws the left jab in the first round which Floyd nearlly trips over trying to get away from, ricky lands a sweet counter right hook as Floyd ducks trying to go for the body shot. So to say he landed f*ck all is harsh especially when he won the 5th round on all the judges scorecards.

your clutching at straws mate. mayweather was never in any trouble worth talking about. period.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 10, 2009, 05:58:32 PM
The same as any other fight tbh - he still has the ability to look as if he's in his comfort zone - even against fighters as good as Manny.

True mate, Manny is going to need a very smart and aggressive game plan to get Floyd out of his comfort where as Floyd can basically do what he always does to make it hard for Manny, Manny will need to box clever in this fight and not just be dependent on punches in bunches etc as many have tried that and failed against Floyd.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thepowerdavies on December 10, 2009, 06:00:14 PM
Can't see Floyd going all out for a ko if he's cruising, is Manny gets reckless and charges then I could see a possible ko, Mayweather won't chase the stoppage and won't need to against Manny, counter punching is his trade and his shot wastage is minimal, definitely see his work rate at a different level in this fight though Fil which I'm fascintaed by.

The pace of the Hatton fight will be similar to the Manny fight for me and look how Floyd rode with the tide and pounced later on, Manny will cause more problems than Hatton for sure but I see a similiar outcome if Manny goes hunting recklessly.

Superbly put BrownBomber!!! Floyd's accuracy and timing is 2nd to none in the sport. Manny will throw alot of leather but in my eyes will be eating most the leather too!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 10, 2009, 06:14:53 PM
Actually mate just before Hatton throws the left jab in the first round which Floyd nearlly trips over trying to get away from, ricky lands a sweet counter right hook as Floyd ducks trying to go for the body shot. So to say he landed f*ck all is harsh especially when he won the 5th round on all the judges scorecards.

I'm with you, the HBO crew had the fight a draw up until the 6th, I think it was. I agree with them. SKY had it wrongly one sided for Mayweather.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 10, 2009, 06:21:55 PM
I'm with you, the HBO crew had the fight a draw up until the 6th, I think it was. I agree with them. SKY had it wrongly one sided for Mayweather.

I think the fight turned once Hatton lost his cool with the referee. Once it did, he was outclassed.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 10, 2009, 06:27:34 PM
I'm with you, the HBO crew had the fight a draw up until the 6th, I think it was. I agree with them. SKY had it wrongly one sided for Mayweather.

sky only had mayweather a few rounds up if im not mistaken. two of the judges scored it 89-81 at the time of the ko. spot on imo.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 10, 2009, 06:31:00 PM
Actually mate just before Hatton throws the left jab in the first round which Floyd nearlly trips over trying to get away from, ricky lands a sweet counter right hook as Floyd ducks trying to go for the body shot. So to say he landed f*ck all is harsh especially when he won the 5th round on all the judges scorecards.

I agree, Hatton was landing with some frequency throughout the first half of the fight, although not near the flush counters Mayweather was threading together. Ricky had success with the jab when he used it.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: cocksuckinknowitall on December 10, 2009, 06:34:38 PM
I don't know why people are so bothered about Floyd's performance vs Hatton when discussing the Mayweather-Pacquiao match up.  The barometer for that is Mayweather-Judah, since Judah has fast hands, decent movement, and is a southpaw.  Hatton is just a brawler, nothing like Pacquiao.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 10, 2009, 06:35:39 PM
I don't know why people are so bothered about Floyd's performance vs Hatton when discussing the Mayweather-Pacquiao match up.  The barometer for that is Mayweather-Judah, since Judah has fast hands, decent movement, and is a southpaw.  Hatton is just a brawler, nothing like Pacquiao.

A good point!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 10, 2009, 06:37:27 PM
sky only had mayweather a few rounds up if im not mistaken. two of the judges scored it 89-81 at the time of the ko. spot on imo.

Perhaps the most educated judges I've seen! Guys like Ledermen were giving Hatton rounds just for being the aggressor and making Mayweather uncomfortable; personally I couldn't make a case for any more than two rounds for Ricky.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 10, 2009, 06:47:18 PM
I don't know why people are so bothered about Floyd's performance vs Hatton when discussing the Mayweather-Pacquiao match up.  The barometer for that is Mayweather-Judah, since Judah has fast hands, decent movement, and is a southpaw.  Hatton is just a brawler, nothing like Pacquiao.

Even Judah is a very different proposition from Pacquiao. Zab fought a controlled fight for the most part, forcing Mayweather to take the role of the aggressor, with Judah countering well early. Pacquiao does not have the skill set or temperament to adopt this approach. Pacquiao will be on the offensive, which plays into Mayweather's hands given Floyd's counter punching ability and some of Manny's sloppy habits.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thepowerdavies on December 10, 2009, 06:49:00 PM
Its silly debating such a fight. The man clearly got outclassed!!

The only bemusement I have looking back at that fight is how when the undoubted P4P best fighter who had the sharpest defence, footwork, speed, timing, accuracy along with being the bigger man fought a come forward slugger like Ricky with no defence - How on earth at the time did I believe Ricky could win????  :)


Only Ricky could do that to us fans - The bloke is top notch!!
 



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: TC on December 10, 2009, 07:07:27 PM
your not right mate,have you ever been to vegas and the mgm? comparing sheffield arena to the mgm grand garden arena is the most stupid thing i've ever heard. you not familiar with what an electric atmosphere feels like? that college field place probably doesn't even have a bar.
i can see it now,the biggest fight of our life time held at a junior softball field!!!!!!!!!

What a load of crap. All I was saying is that the MGM isn't some amazing venue. If it was the Garden, then fair enough, it's a legendary place, with an amazing history and a unique feel. The MGM Grand arena is a relatively modern venue, without a 'proper' history. It's just an indoor arena like any other really. The only reason the fight will be held there is $$ and you know it.

I'll happily wager there's never been an atmosphere at the MGM than the night Hatton beat Tzyu at the MEN - that was incredible.

I'm not saying they should have it at a college stadium, just that it's daft that a fight of this magnitude will be seen live by a relatively tiny number of paying fans. That isn't right. The only reason the fight will be held at the MGM arena isn't because of some great noble nod to history, it's to line Arum, Schaefer and co's pockets.

I agree it's not ideal vision-wise to have it at a stadium, but I still think it could be held somewhere with a capacity around 30,000 with everyone being able to see (at least as well as at the back row of the MGM anyway)

And oh yeah, I'm sure a college football field wouldn't have a bar  //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 10, 2009, 07:39:15 PM
your not right mate,have you ever been to vegas and the mgm? comparing sheffield arena to the mgm grand garden arena is the most stupid thing i've ever heard. you not familiar with what an electric atmosphere feels like? that college field place probably doesn't even have a bar.
i can see it now,the biggest fight of our life time held at a junior softball field!!!!!!!!!

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: noakesy on December 10, 2009, 08:16:50 PM
What a load of crap. All I was saying is that the MGM isn't some amazing venue. If it was the Garden, then fair enough, it's a legendary place, with an amazing history and a unique feel. The MGM Grand arena is a relatively modern venue, without a 'proper' history. It's just an indoor arena like any other really. The only reason the fight will be held there is $$ and you know it.

I'll happily wager there's never been an atmosphere at the MGM than the night Hatton beat Tzyu at the MEN - that was incredible.

I'm not saying they should have it at a college stadium, just that it's daft that a fight of this magnitude will be seen live by a relatively tiny number of paying fans. That isn't right. The only reason the fight will be held at the MGM arena isn't because of some great noble nod to history, it's to line Arum, Schaefer and co's pockets.

I agree it's not ideal vision-wise to have it at a stadium, but I still think it could be held somewhere with a capacity around 30,000 with everyone being able to see (at least as well as at the back row of the MGM anyway)

And oh yeah, I'm sure a college football field wouldn't have a bar  //

Mate have you been to the MGM ??

Surely if you have, you would understand what thoggy is saying. He was not talking about history he was talking about the atmosphere. I was at the weigh in for Hatton v Mayweather at the MGM and I bet that was better than the MEN has ever been for any event.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: TC on December 10, 2009, 08:40:46 PM
Mate have you been to the MGM ??

Surely if you have, you would understand what thoggy is saying. He was not talking about history he was talking about the atmosphere. I was at the weigh in for Hatton v Mayweather at the MGM and I bet that was better than the MEN has ever been for any event.



No, I haven't been. I'm sure the atmosphere will be great; all i'm saying is if you stick 20,000 boxing fans in any arena for a big fight it'll be good, there's nothing special about the MGM as much as there is any other arena, be it the Mandy Bay, Staples Centre or whatever.

Are you telling me Mayweather Hatton for example would have had a worse atmosphere had it been in LA? Course it wouldn't, infact it might have been even better as there'd have been more 'proper' fans there and less comped up high rollers.

I know there's only one place this fight will be held, but all i'm saying is it's a shame that more people won't be able to see it in the flesh. This proposed outdoor arena near the Wynn would have been interesting, maybe something akin to the old Ceasers Palace outdoor venue they used in the 80s? Looks like Richie Schaefer's got his finger in a pie though, and won't be taking it out for anyone.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thoggy on December 10, 2009, 08:59:10 PM
one woed VEGAS, anyone who has been would want this fight there and the mgm is the cherry on top! ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 10, 2009, 09:06:12 PM
Let's get it on at the York Hall! Can't beat the atmosphere there, even if it is a bit small. ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thoggy on December 10, 2009, 09:07:22 PM
ha,yeah or any funfair thats in town take the winner on for £20! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 10, 2009, 09:25:38 PM
Apologies if this has been posted already (this thread is soooooo long lol):

Joe Buck Live - Guest Floyd Mayweather Jr Part 1. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XabdYAQh_Bc#normal)

Joe Buck Live - Guest Floyd Mayweather Jr Part 2. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPl40A2q_Mo&feature=related#normal)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 10, 2009, 10:57:57 PM
I think the fight turned once Hatton lost his cool with the referee. Once it did, he was outclassed.

I agree, Wheelchair.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 10, 2009, 11:20:08 PM
just seen this on steve kim's twitter..........
"told that Mayweather and Co. insisted on Olympic style drug testing for March13 fight. Pacquiao and his camp complied"   ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 10, 2009, 11:21:28 PM
just seen this on steve kim's twitter..........
"told that Mayweather and Co. insisted on Olympic style drug testing for March13 fight. Pacquiao and his camp complied"    ;D

of course, he ain't got nothing to hide so it's a no brainer!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 11, 2009, 01:04:54 AM
Mayweather-Pacquiao: Manny Refuses The Staples Center
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By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao won’t agree to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr at the Staples Center in Los Angeles and his adviser Michael Koncz believes Mayweather himself won’t agree to fight there either.

Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer who called off a planned visit with Top Rank promoter Bob Arum and HBO Sports Ross Greenburg to Dallas, Texas to talk to the owner of the Dallas Cowboys new state-of-the-art stadium – Jerry Jones – at the last minute, announced that AEG had offered a $20 million guarantee to stage the fight at the Staples Center.

Schaefer’s decision forced Arum to cancel the trip which he said was an embarrassment since they hadn’t even given Jones the courtesy of listening to what his offer was. Arum told us he suspected there was something “fishy” going on.

Schaefer’s announcement of the AEG offer appeared to confirm Arum’s suspicion since AEG and Golden Boy Promotions have shared business interests.

When BoxingScene.co, insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports contacted Golden Boy Promotions vice president and international matchmaker  Eric G mez at 2:00 a.m. on Friday (Manila Time) he said “I have no idea of what’s going on because I have been in Chicago for the last few days attending to the Juan Diaz – Paulie Malignaggi fight and I haven’t had any contact with Richard (Schaefer) with regards to that (Pacquiao vs Mayweather). I know he’s still working on it. I don’t know what happened. I don’t have any information. Just call Richard at the office.”

When we called Schaefer, the operator at Golden Boy got back to us after connecting to Schaefer’s office and said “Richard is not taking any calls from the media regarding the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight.”

Koncz called us at 5:00 a.m. to tell us “Manny is not interested in fighting in LA. I’m going to advocate against it also  for the simple reason that its going to cost Manny an additional $3-$5 million in taxes to fight in LA. I mentioned to Manny that it looks like Staples Center and he said ‘I don’t want to fight in LA. I prefer Vegas and I didn’t even tell him about the taxes.”

Koncz said he would “give Bob Arum the courtesy of a call and if its true its Schaefer messing around then I’ll probably give Al Haymon a call and make sure he’s on the same page as us. I believe he is because I know Floyd doesn’t want to pay the IRS (Internal Revenue Service) any more  than he has to and then its time for us to put our foot down. The promoters work for the fighters, the fighters don’t work for the promoters.”

Koncz added "the bottom line is Manny’s preference is not to fight in California and I haven’t advised him not to do it for tax consequences which is an 11 percent tax plus I haven’t confirmed the amount but there’s an additional special athletic tax for foreigners who take part in sports in California.”

Koncz said he and Pacquiao were leaving for the fighter’s hometown of General Santos City on the early morning flight and would be back to do a voice makeover for his latest movie for Solar Entertainment – ‘Wapakman’ for two days. “



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaimie77 on December 11, 2009, 01:56:09 AM
^^^^^ Keeps on twisting and turning !!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 11, 2009, 09:00:41 AM
of course, he ain't got nothing to hide so it's a no brainer!  ;D

nothing to hide except for his women... but he hasn't done so well with them so far huh?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Alvy on December 11, 2009, 10:42:33 AM
Mayweather-Pacquiao: Manny Refuses The Staples Center
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By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao won’t agree to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr at the Staples Center in Los Angeles and his adviser Michael Koncz believes Mayweather himself won’t agree to fight there either.

Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer who called off a planned visit with Top Rank promoter Bob Arum and HBO Sports Ross Greenburg to Dallas, Texas to talk to the owner of the Dallas Cowboys new state-of-the-art stadium – Jerry Jones – at the last minute, announced that AEG had offered a $20 million guarantee to stage the fight at the Staples Center.

Schaefer’s decision forced Arum to cancel the trip which he said was an embarrassment since they hadn’t even given Jones the courtesy of listening to what his offer was. Arum told us he suspected there was something “fishy” going on.

Schaefer’s announcement of the AEG offer appeared to confirm Arum’s suspicion since AEG and Golden Boy Promotions have shared business interests.

When BoxingScene.co, insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports contacted Golden Boy Promotions vice president and international matchmaker  Eric G mez at 2:00 a.m. on Friday (Manila Time) he said “I have no idea of what’s going on because I have been in Chicago for the last few days attending to the Juan Diaz – Paulie Malignaggi fight and I haven’t had any contact with Richard (Schaefer) with regards to that (Pacquiao vs Mayweather). I know he’s still working on it. I don’t know what happened. I don’t have any information. Just call Richard at the office.”

When we called Schaefer, the operator at Golden Boy got back to us after connecting to Schaefer’s office and said “Richard is not taking any calls from the media regarding the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight.”

Koncz called us at 5:00 a.m. to tell us “Manny is not interested in fighting in LA. I’m going to advocate against it also  for the simple reason that its going to cost Manny an additional $3-$5 million in taxes to fight in LA. I mentioned to Manny that it looks like Staples Center and he said ‘I don’t want to fight in LA. I prefer Vegas and I didn’t even tell him about the taxes.”

Koncz said he would “give Bob Arum the courtesy of a call and if its true its Schaefer messing around then I’ll probably give Al Haymon a call and make sure he’s on the same page as us. I believe he is because I know Floyd doesn’t want to pay the IRS (Internal Revenue Service) any more  than he has to and then its time for us to put our foot down. The promoters work for the fighters, the fighters don’t work for the promoters.”

Koncz added "the bottom line is Manny’s preference is not to fight in California and I haven’t advised him not to do it for tax consequences which is an 11 percent tax plus I haven’t confirmed the amount but there’s an additional special athletic tax for foreigners who take part in sports in California.”

Koncz said he and Pacquiao were leaving for the fighter’s hometown of General Santos City on the early morning flight and would be back to do a voice makeover for his latest movie for Solar Entertainment – ‘Wapakman’ for two days. “



It may be a good thing that the Staples Center has been ruled out. I've never been to the arena myself so can't speak from personal experience but i've been told by a handful of boxing fans who have been there that it's not the best venue to watch a fight. Apparently, the view from many parts of the arena can be pretty shitty.

Also, having been to both places, as far as i'm concerned, Vegas shits over LA when it comes to gettin' on the lash.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Stevie J on December 11, 2009, 11:15:59 AM
Just read a very interesting article by Steve Kim on Seconds Out.

He makes some very good points on why the fight should not take place in Vegas, I still can't understand why the Thomas and Mack has been overlooked, is it Casino owned?
It would give an extra 4 thousand people the chance to see the fight?? Having seen a few fights in Vegas I do agree nothing can beat a fight night in Vegas, on the other hand the demand for tickets will mean that only a select few will be able to see this fight?



On March 13th, the mega-bout between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather will take place. This promotion will be one of the biggest of all-time and harkens back to days gone by when boxing wasn’t just covered by the daily papers on a regular basis, but was front page news. As I’m typing this up on Wednesday afternoon from my office in Montebello, California, I was informed that Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, had canceled his trip to Dallas to meet with Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones about putting this fight at his new billion-dollar football palace, which I’m told came as a great surprise to his counterpart, Bob Arum and HBO Sports president, Ross Greenburg, who were both prepared to make the trek to Texas.

 I’ll say it right now, that’s where this fight belonged. And if it didn’t end up there, it should end up at the Superdome in New Orleans or the Georgia Dome in Atlanta. Where it shouldn’t end up is anywhere near Las Vegas.
 
Yeah, I said it. Sorry, we’ve been there and done that.
 
If this fight is really about promoting the sport of boxing overall and really having a transcendent appeal, why in the world you would take it back to the same setting that helped make boxing a niche sport to begin with a couple of decades ago? When boxing was truly thriving, events like Pacquiao-Mayweather didn’t take place in casinos out in the desert oasis. They took place in major cities like Chicago, New York and Los Angeles, where over-flow crowds, in excess of 50,000, regularly packed stadiums to watch championship fights. When the large majority of boxing’s biggest bouts started taking place almost exclusively in casino resorts, it was a major factor in boxing decline in general popularity.
 
Does a bout the caliber of Pacquiao-Mayweather, which has already garnered unprecedented interest from fans and media alike, really belong in an arena that holds less than 20,000 patrons? Let’s make this very clear, the only ones who really benefit from this fight being in Las Vegas are the ticket scalpers…uhhh, I mean, brokers, who in one of the business’ dirty little secrets, are in cahoots with the promoters themselves to make sure the average fans cannot purchase a large majority of the tickets to big fights at face value. Do you know why you poor schmucks can’t buy even the cheapest ticket for a lot of these promotions, even though you spend all morning on the phone trying to get through on the first day tickets go up for sale?
 
It’s simple. A very, very small number of tickets are actually made available to the public to begin with. The rest? Well, they go to corporate sponsors, the casinos themselves (who give them out to their big players) and then the brokers, who create a secondary market right off the bat. I’ve already read that if the fight is in Vegas, the seats will be priced between $2,500 (which none of you really have a shot at anyway, under any circumstance) and $500 (which will be immediately jacked up to three or times more than face value after the few seats that are actually made available to the public are quickly gobbled up.).
 
Put this in a much larger venue and you give fans a real opportunity to actually enjoy a big fight atmosphere, which is key in creating and cultivating a new fan base. I mean, that is an important facet of this promotion, isn’t it? Boxing, unfortunately, at the highest levels, has catered exclusively to the elite. Joe Public, was priced out and left out long ago. Seriously, what other professional sports industry would even entertain the thought of putting such a seminal event in such a small venue? It made me chuckle that Las Vegas was talking about building a makeshift arena that will seat 30,000 for this fight. Could you imagine telling a Roger Goodell or David Stern, “Hey, you guys are putting on perhaps the most important event in your sports recent history, how about us putting up a bunch of bleacher seats in a vacant lot, near the strip in Las Vegas and taking it there?”
 
And yeah, I know, events like the Super Bowl and Final Four have long ago become nothing more than one big corporate cocktail party where the velvet rope is only opened for the rich and famous. But there’s a huge difference. These events aren’t on pay-per-view. They are already shown on the biggest platform possible. Boxing, long ago, went away from this as the sports decision makers decided it would be wiser to take the welfare checks that are provided by the premium cable networks in the form of licensing fees.
 
Boxing had a golden opportunity to be put on the same stage as the Super Bowl and NBA All-Star Game, which the new Dallas Cowboys stadium will be playing host to in the near future. That would have spoken volumes to the magnitude and importance of this event.
 
There’s a train of thought that, for all this city has done for this business, boxing had an obligation to bring this fight there. Hogwash and poppycock, I say (yeah, hogwash and poppycock). First of all, boxing, and the big events it staged, helped put Las Vegas on the map. And many others will tell you that it was instrumental in branding properties like Caesar’s Palace in the 70s and 80s. Also, it’s not like these casinos never got any financial benefit from hosting these fights. Yes, Vegas has been great for boxing but boxing has also been vital to Vegas, too.
 
And Las Vegas is struggling, huh? Boo-hoo, cry me a river. Listen, it’s not like I don’t have empathy for any region that’s hurting economically, but guess what? There are about 500 other cities that are grappling with the downturn in financial fortunes. Why not have this fight in Detroit, then? Let’s be honest, this city is staggering because of its own greed and mismanagement. It overbuilt and overleveraged itself. In an ironic twist, it gambled and lost. It shouldn’t be boxing’s job to provide it with a stimulus package. And have you been to Vegas recently? I don’t find it to be all that affordable or cheap, to be honest with you.
 
Feeling sorry for this city is like feeling sympathetic to the guy who scammed you out of your paycheck on Three-Card Monty.
 
Last I checked, Vegas’ biggest weekend of the year is the Super Bowl. When was the last time this game was in “Sin City”? Pacquiao-Mayweather represents one weekend. That doesn’t rebuild any economy. By putting this fight here, all you’re doing is giving these people an opportunity to jack up hotel rooms and everything else for this particular weekend and, trust me, that is what they do. It’s legalized gouging. And for all this talk of just how boxing is propped up by this city, ask promoters how many “four-wall” deals they have had to do in recent years in Las Vegas.
 
But enough about them for now. Why did I want this fight in Dallas?
 
Simple. It was the best place to maximize this fight, as well as the sport’s appeal, and this was the perfect venue for it. Dallas, is among the nation’s biggest markets, with just under 7,000,000 inhabitants. It’s a centralized location in the United States that’s very accessible. Also, it can handle an event of this magnitude. Dallas Cowboys games regularly have crowds of over 90,000. If you’re doing Super Bowls and the like, (they just recently had over 75,000 fans for the Big XII championship game between Texas and Nebraska) they could’ve handled this fight. There are plenty of hotel rooms in the “Lone Star” state, I’ve been assured. As for some of the “stuff” that goes on in Las Vegas? As one boxing insider who has great knowledge of the region and these negotiations told me yesterday, "Hey, Steve, trust me, they have hookers in Texas, too." Hey, what happened in Dallas, would have stayed in Dallas.
 
Texas is vastly underrated as a boxing market. Yes, they do more than watch high school football, college football, spring football and the NFL out there. Just look at their history. Back in 1993 when Julio Cesar Chavez and Pernell Whitaker fought to their highly disputed draw at the Alamodome in San Antonio, they drew over 63,000 fans. 15 years later, as Oscar De La Hoya easily dispatched Patrick Charpentier at the Sun Bowl in El Paso, over 48,000 Texans showed up. You bring these folks significant fights, they show up in droves. They like everything big in this state.
 
Then there was the head Cowboy himself, Jones, who I was told by someone who had been actively involved in this process from the very beginning, "will be putting on a full-court press to get this fight. He’s not playing around." Jones would have put up his own money, this source tells me, and, unlike other suitors, he has other revenue streams like his suite holders, season ticket buyers, corporate sponsorships, food and beverage and parking, that he could rely on. He may not have blackjack tables or slot machines, but this man can compete financially. He is an audacious man. You don’t just buy the Cowboys and have the nerve to fire a legendary figure like Tom Landry and then, five years later, have the stones to jettison the great Jimmy Johnson (after he brought you two Vince Lombardi trophies) and replace him with former Oklahoma Sooner coach Barry Switzer unless you’re a bit of a risk-taker.
 
Jones is also a marketing genius. There is a reason why his franchise is, according to some data, the second-most valuable in the world behind Manchester United. Just my opinion, but the media savvy Jones and the attention he would have attracted from the mainstream media had the potential to add value to this event.

Yet, he was told thanks, but no thanks. Just blown off like that. "You don’t treat a guy like Jerry Jones, a legitimate guy, who moved around his schedule and canceled other appointments and do it [the opposite] way," said someone directly involved in the promotion. The Cowboys had been preparing an elaborate presentation to show Arum, Schaefer and Greenburg that Jones and his organization had long been interested in having a marquee fight card in their yard. They were just looking for the right one. This, to them, was the perfect storm. "Jerry was ready to make the biggest offer in boxing history" said a source.
 
Then there was Dallas Cowboy Stadium, which is quite the attraction in itself. To call it “state-of-the-art” is a massive understatement. It’s what every professional arena will strive to be for the next half century (and unlike other outdoor venues, weather would not have been a factor as it has a retractable roof). The venue has done significant numbers for every large event it has hosted and I’m told that they have already sold over 80,000 tickets for the upcoming NBA All-Star Game that takes place on February 14th. Cowboy officials believe that Pacquiao-Mayweather could’ve done upwards of 90,000.
 
Just think about that for a second: 90,000 fans to a fight in the year 2010. That’s staggering in many regards. In the past decade, Europe has had similar events that drew well over 30,000 that featured the likes of the Klitschkos, Ricky  Hatton and Joe Calzaghe. One of the reasons why is very simple. They build local attractions and they don’t have casino fights. Lo’ and behold, boxing is still a big deal over there. They haven’t turned it into Wayne Newton with boxing gloves, just another act to fill up a room on a weekend.
 
Boxing has had a bit of a renaissance in 2009. Two of the major factors in this resurgence is that major pay-per-view shows have been curbed (just three of them this past year). But also, the fact is there haven’t been that many marquee shows in Las Vegas; almost none at all if you take away fights involving Pacquiao and Mayweather this past year.
 
Coincidence? I think not.
 
HBO’s Greenburg and I don’t agree on much, but we were eye-to-eye in believing that boxing had a unique opportunity with Pacquiao-Mayweather to really bring this sport to the forefront of the mainstream.
 
But here are the facts: Arum is a resident of Las Vegas so there had to be some political pressure on him to keep this fight in his adopted hometown. But he was at least receptive to going down and meeting Jones to see what he had to offer. Say what you want about him, but the man does have a keen historical perspective. As for Golden Boy, well, they have a very close, cozy relationship with MGM-Mirage and for them to take have played a part in taking this event elsewhere would most likely damage that union. If the Pacquiao-Mayweather fights landed outside of the 702 area code, then fights like Shane Mosley-Andre Berto (which happens on January 30th at the Mandalay Bay) might have a difficult time finding a home in the future.

Or maybe, just maybe, Mayweather and his representatives simply wanted this fight in Las Vegas. As they thought about the possibility of performing in Texas, they didn’t want to risk getting “Paulie Malignaggi’d.”
 
Pacquiao-Mayweather is a fight that needs to happen.
 
It also has to happen in the right setting.
 
Too bad, it won’t.
 



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 11, 2009, 11:25:03 AM
excellent write up there iq for posting


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 11, 2009, 11:26:58 AM
Good article that and very valid points, IQ.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaff_no1 on December 11, 2009, 11:31:20 AM
In the last week I've gone from 90% certain that I was going to about 80% certain I won't be. I didn't fancy a stadium very much to begin with but by the looks of it that doesn't really matter now anyway. I would definitely go to the MGM but I would only pay up to $500 for a ticket and my chances of getting those appear to be somewhere between slim and none. Like the writer of that article said, this is why boxing is no longer appreciated by the masses
I think I'll be off to Copenhagen for Froch v Kessler


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Stevie J on December 11, 2009, 11:35:39 AM
You can't blame people for wanting to go back to Vegas. The lure of the place is so enticing for many with it's nightlife, strip joints etc but it's not like there would never be another fight in Vegas. Hopefully there will be so many more opportunities in the future for us Brits to travel accross again ie Haye, Khan, Brook,Cleverley, Froch and Mitchell. I do get the feeling it was a combination of things that brought so many UK fans to the big Hatton fights in Vegas. I just know that if this fight is in Vegas there will be absolutely no chance
for a lot of big boxing fans to attend.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Stevie J on December 11, 2009, 11:46:56 AM
In the last week I've gone from 90% certain that I was going to about 80% certain I won't be. I didn't fancy a stadium very much to begin with but by the looks of it that doesn't really matter now anyway. I would definitely go to the MGM but I would only pay up to $500 for a ticket and my chances of getting those appear to be somewhere between slim and none. Like the writer of that article said, this is why boxing is no longer appreciated by the masses
I think I'll be off to Copenhagen for Froch v Kessler

For $500 I doubt you would have any chance at all....
I seem to remember the touts outside the MGM offering the seats they couldnt sell...
 >:(


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: TC on December 11, 2009, 12:15:40 PM
one woed VEGAS, anyone who has been would want this fight there and the mgm is the cherry on top! ;)

Don't come crying to me then mate when you can't get a ticket.  :D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 11, 2009, 12:26:13 PM
You know he's right! Much as I want Vegas, maybe it shouldn't be there... :-\


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: cloughie on December 11, 2009, 12:31:09 PM
if this fight does not happen in vegas, and specifically in the mgm grand arena, i will personally take a sheep and rear end it on a cliff edge. thats how confident i am that it will happen at the mgm and anything else is clever posturing on behalf of someone's agenda. the mgm is made to host this fight, not in in a football/nfl stadium? no way. just won't be the same atmosphere. has the mgm group made an official bid yet? perhaps not - therefore all this talk of the staples center, cowboys stadium, new orleans superdome, etc etc is probably part of a negotiation process by the promoters to keep that bid as high as possible.  

the only other place that could come close in matching the size and importance and uniqueness of this fight, i.m.o, is MSG, but then you have the widely discussed NY State taxation issues, and in this economy there is no way on earth any politician in Albany will sign off on waiving it just to satisfy a minority sport such as boxing.

cheers/Cloughie


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 11, 2009, 12:37:55 PM
if this fight does not happen in vegas, and specifically in the mgm grand arena, i will personally take a sheep and rear end it on a cliff edge.

cheers/Cloughie

In these sort of statements you're supposed to allude to something you wouldn't normally do or that would be shocking!  ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 11, 2009, 12:46:50 PM
if this fight does not happen in vegas, and specifically in the mgm grand arena, i will personally take a sheep and rear end it on a cliff edge.

Will that be on PPV too? ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 11, 2009, 12:57:43 PM
if this fight does not happen in vegas, and specifically in the mgm grand arena, i will personally take a sheep and rear end it on a cliff edge. thats how confident i am that it will happen at the mgm and anything else is clever posturing on behalf of someone's agenda. the mgm is made to host this fight, not in in a football/nfl stadium? no way. just won't be the same atmosphere. has the mgm group made an official bid yet? perhaps not - therefore all this talk of the staples center, cowboys stadium, new orleans superdome, etc etc is probably part of a negotiation process by the promoters to keep that bid as high as possible.  

the only other place that could come close in matching the size and importance and uniqueness of this fight, i.m.o, is MSG, but then you have the widely discussed NY State taxation issues, and in this economy there is no way on earth any politician in Albany will sign off on waiving it just to satisfy a minority sport such as boxing.

cheers/Cloughie

I'm lead to believe they are just waiting for Brookside to confirm his availability.

No fight of this magnitude can take place in his absence.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 11, 2009, 01:04:11 PM
if this fight does not happen in vegas, and specifically in the mgm grand arena, i will personally take a sheep and rear end it on a cliff edge.

If the fight doesnt happen in Vegas, I'll tag team that sheep with you when we're in NYC next month.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 11, 2009, 01:30:47 PM
According to a recent report by David Mayo of the Grand Rapids Press, Bob Arum is excusing himself from Floyd Mayweather Jr vs. Manny Pacquiao fight negotiations. Mayweather vs Pacquiao will not be happening at the Dallas Cowboy Stadium, and Mayweather Jr's side pulling out at the last minute of negotiations for a fight at the Texas based Stadium seems to have left Arum angry.

Arum is turning over the negotiations to Todd duBoef, who is the president of Arum's Promotional company Top
Rank, as well as Arum's stepson. So Arum's company is still handling their side of the negotiations, but will do so without Arum leading the charge.

Plans are for Mayweather Jr and Pacquiao to face one another on March 13th of 2010. The only thing that stands in the way of making the fight official is a final choice of venue for the event. At this time is looks like the MGM Grand in las Vegas is the clear front runner.



http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz121109.htm (http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz121109.htm)


I said from day 1 this fight won't happen in March and I'm still confident it won't.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: BrownBomber on December 11, 2009, 01:38:01 PM
I don't know why people are so bothered about Floyd's performance vs Hatton when discussing the Mayweather-Pacquiao match up.  The barometer for that is Mayweather-Judah, since Judah has fast hands, decent movement, and is a southpaw.  Hatton is just a brawler, nothing like Pacquiao.

Of course Judah is a better comparison stylistically but he doesn't fight at the same intensity as a Hatton or a Pacquiao over the duration, the Hatton fight highlighted how Floyd can live with the higher tempo and come into his own later on which is testament to his conditioning.

Clearly Cotto was eating way too many and had to go on his bike for the last few rounds, I can see Floyd moving the other way and picking him of at will by then.

The fight(whenever it is) can't come soon enough.  ;D




Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: stephen thompson on December 11, 2009, 02:20:30 PM
im losing interest in attending this fight by the second. like I said before it will also be my last ppv buy as well as the price will probably be close to $70 here in america. going to shows like juanma v luevano, gamboa v mtgwa at a 2000 theater in MSG are  the future of my boxing ventures. complete lack of disregard is being shown to the boxing public. its no wonder UFC is, on a whole, out selling major boxing shows


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Chris on December 11, 2009, 02:25:35 PM
Just read a very interesting article by Steve Kim on Seconds Out.

He makes some very good points on why the fight should not take place in Vegas, I still can't understand why the Thomas and Mack has been overlooked, is it Casino owned?
It would give an extra 4 thousand people the chance to see the fight?? Having seen a few fights in Vegas I do agree nothing can beat a fight night in Vegas, on the other hand the demand for tickets will mean that only a select few will be able to see this fight?



On March 13th, the mega-bout between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather will take place. This promotion will be one of the biggest of all-time and harkens back to days gone by when boxing wasn’t just covered by the daily papers on a regular basis, but was front page news. As I’m typing this up on Wednesday afternoon from my office in Montebello, California, I was informed that Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, had canceled his trip to Dallas to meet with Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones about putting this fight at his new billion-dollar football palace, which I’m told came as a great surprise to his counterpart, Bob Arum and HBO Sports president, Ross Greenburg, who were both prepared to make the trek to Texas.

 I’ll say it right now, that’s where this fight belonged. And if it didn’t end up there, it should end up at the Superdome in New Orleans or the Georgia Dome in Atlanta. Where it shouldn’t end up is anywhere near Las Vegas.
 
Yeah, I said it. Sorry, we’ve been there and done that.
 
If this fight is really about promoting the sport of boxing overall and really having a transcendent appeal, why in the world you would take it back to the same setting that helped make boxing a niche sport to begin with a couple of decades ago? When boxing was truly thriving, events like Pacquiao-Mayweather didn’t take place in casinos out in the desert oasis. They took place in major cities like Chicago, New York and Los Angeles, where over-flow crowds, in excess of 50,000, regularly packed stadiums to watch championship fights. When the large majority of boxing’s biggest bouts started taking place almost exclusively in casino resorts, it was a major factor in boxing decline in general popularity.
 
Does a bout the caliber of Pacquiao-Mayweather, which has already garnered unprecedented interest from fans and media alike, really belong in an arena that holds less than 20,000 patrons? Let’s make this very clear, the only ones who really benefit from this fight being in Las Vegas are the ticket scalpers…uhhh, I mean, brokers, who in one of the business’ dirty little secrets, are in cahoots with the promoters themselves to make sure the average fans cannot purchase a large majority of the tickets to big fights at face value. Do you know why you poor schmucks can’t buy even the cheapest ticket for a lot of these promotions, even though you spend all morning on the phone trying to get through on the first day tickets go up for sale?
 
It’s simple. A very, very small number of tickets are actually made available to the public to begin with. The rest? Well, they go to corporate sponsors, the casinos themselves (who give them out to their big players) and then the brokers, who create a secondary market right off the bat. I’ve already read that if the fight is in Vegas, the seats will be priced between $2,500 (which none of you really have a shot at anyway, under any circumstance) and $500 (which will be immediately jacked up to three or times more than face value after the few seats that are actually made available to the public are quickly gobbled up.).
 
Put this in a much larger venue and you give fans a real opportunity to actually enjoy a big fight atmosphere, which is key in creating and cultivating a new fan base. I mean, that is an important facet of this promotion, isn’t it? Boxing, unfortunately, at the highest levels, has catered exclusively to the elite. Joe Public, was priced out and left out long ago. Seriously, what other professional sports industry would even entertain the thought of putting such a seminal event in such a small venue? It made me chuckle that Las Vegas was talking about building a makeshift arena that will seat 30,000 for this fight. Could you imagine telling a Roger Goodell or David Stern, “Hey, you guys are putting on perhaps the most important event in your sports recent history, how about us putting up a bunch of bleacher seats in a vacant lot, near the strip in Las Vegas and taking it there?”
 
And yeah, I know, events like the Super Bowl and Final Four have long ago become nothing more than one big corporate cocktail party where the velvet rope is only opened for the rich and famous. But there’s a huge difference. These events aren’t on pay-per-view. They are already shown on the biggest platform possible. Boxing, long ago, went away from this as the sports decision makers decided it would be wiser to take the welfare checks that are provided by the premium cable networks in the form of licensing fees.
 
Boxing had a golden opportunity to be put on the same stage as the Super Bowl and NBA All-Star Game, which the new Dallas Cowboys stadium will be playing host to in the near future. That would have spoken volumes to the magnitude and importance of this event.
 
There’s a train of thought that, for all this city has done for this business, boxing had an obligation to bring this fight there. Hogwash and poppycock, I say (yeah, hogwash and poppycock). First of all, boxing, and the big events it staged, helped put Las Vegas on the map. And many others will tell you that it was instrumental in branding properties like Caesar’s Palace in the 70s and 80s. Also, it’s not like these casinos never got any financial benefit from hosting these fights. Yes, Vegas has been great for boxing but boxing has also been vital to Vegas, too.
 
And Las Vegas is struggling, huh? Boo-hoo, cry me a river. Listen, it’s not like I don’t have empathy for any region that’s hurting economically, but guess what? There are about 500 other cities that are grappling with the downturn in financial fortunes. Why not have this fight in Detroit, then? Let’s be honest, this city is staggering because of its own greed and mismanagement. It overbuilt and overleveraged itself. In an ironic twist, it gambled and lost. It shouldn’t be boxing’s job to provide it with a stimulus package. And have you been to Vegas recently? I don’t find it to be all that affordable or cheap, to be honest with you.
 
Feeling sorry for this city is like feeling sympathetic to the guy who scammed you out of your paycheck on Three-Card Monty.
 
Last I checked, Vegas’ biggest weekend of the year is the Super Bowl. When was the last time this game was in “Sin City”? Pacquiao-Mayweather represents one weekend. That doesn’t rebuild any economy. By putting this fight here, all you’re doing is giving these people an opportunity to jack up hotel rooms and everything else for this particular weekend and, trust me, that is what they do. It’s legalized gouging. And for all this talk of just how boxing is propped up by this city, ask promoters how many “four-wall” deals they have had to do in recent years in Las Vegas.
 
But enough about them for now. Why did I want this fight in Dallas?
 
Simple. It was the best place to maximize this fight, as well as the sport’s appeal, and this was the perfect venue for it. Dallas, is among the nation’s biggest markets, with just under 7,000,000 inhabitants. It’s a centralized location in the United States that’s very accessible. Also, it can handle an event of this magnitude. Dallas Cowboys games regularly have crowds of over 90,000. If you’re doing Super Bowls and the like, (they just recently had over 75,000 fans for the Big XII championship game between Texas and Nebraska) they could’ve handled this fight. There are plenty of hotel rooms in the “Lone Star” state, I’ve been assured. As for some of the “stuff” that goes on in Las Vegas? As one boxing insider who has great knowledge of the region and these negotiations told me yesterday, "Hey, Steve, trust me, they have hookers in Texas, too." Hey, what happened in Dallas, would have stayed in Dallas.
 
Texas is vastly underrated as a boxing market. Yes, they do more than watch high school football, college football, spring football and the NFL out there. Just look at their history. Back in 1993 when Julio Cesar Chavez and Pernell Whitaker fought to their highly disputed draw at the Alamodome in San Antonio, they drew over 63,000 fans. 15 years later, as Oscar De La Hoya easily dispatched Patrick Charpentier at the Sun Bowl in El Paso, over 48,000 Texans showed up. You bring these folks significant fights, they show up in droves. They like everything big in this state.
 
Then there was the head Cowboy himself, Jones, who I was told by someone who had been actively involved in this process from the very beginning, "will be putting on a full-court press to get this fight. He’s not playing around." Jones would have put up his own money, this source tells me, and, unlike other suitors, he has other revenue streams like his suite holders, season ticket buyers, corporate sponsorships, food and beverage and parking, that he could rely on. He may not have blackjack tables or slot machines, but this man can compete financially. He is an audacious man. You don’t just buy the Cowboys and have the nerve to fire a legendary figure like Tom Landry and then, five years later, have the stones to jettison the great Jimmy Johnson (after he brought you two Vince Lombardi trophies) and replace him with former Oklahoma Sooner coach Barry Switzer unless you’re a bit of a risk-taker.
 
Jones is also a marketing genius. There is a reason why his franchise is, according to some data, the second-most valuable in the world behind Manchester United. Just my opinion, but the media savvy Jones and the attention he would have attracted from the mainstream media had the potential to add value to this event.

Yet, he was told thanks, but no thanks. Just blown off like that. "You don’t treat a guy like Jerry Jones, a legitimate guy, who moved around his schedule and canceled other appointments and do it [the opposite] way," said someone directly involved in the promotion. The Cowboys had been preparing an elaborate presentation to show Arum, Schaefer and Greenburg that Jones and his organization had long been interested in having a marquee fight card in their yard. They were just looking for the right one. This, to them, was the perfect storm. "Jerry was ready to make the biggest offer in boxing history" said a source.
 
Then there was Dallas Cowboy Stadium, which is quite the attraction in itself. To call it “state-of-the-art” is a massive understatement. It’s what every professional arena will strive to be for the next half century (and unlike other outdoor venues, weather would not have been a factor as it has a retractable roof). The venue has done significant numbers for every large event it has hosted and I’m told that they have already sold over 80,000 tickets for the upcoming NBA All-Star Game that takes place on February 14th. Cowboy officials believe that Pacquiao-Mayweather could’ve done upwards of 90,000.
 
Just think about that for a second: 90,000 fans to a fight in the year 2010. That’s staggering in many regards. In the past decade, Europe has had similar events that drew well over 30,000 that featured the likes of the Klitschkos, Ricky  Hatton and Joe Calzaghe. One of the reasons why is very simple. They build local attractions and they don’t have casino fights. Lo’ and behold, boxing is still a big deal over there. They haven’t turned it into Wayne Newton with boxing gloves, just another act to fill up a room on a weekend.
 
Boxing has had a bit of a renaissance in 2009. Two of the major factors in this resurgence is that major pay-per-view shows have been curbed (just three of them this past year). But also, the fact is there haven’t been that many marquee shows in Las Vegas; almost none at all if you take away fights involving Pacquiao and Mayweather this past year.
 
Coincidence? I think not.
 
HBO’s Greenburg and I don’t agree on much, but we were eye-to-eye in believing that boxing had a unique opportunity with Pacquiao-Mayweather to really bring this sport to the forefront of the mainstream.
 
But here are the facts: Arum is a resident of Las Vegas so there had to be some political pressure on him to keep this fight in his adopted hometown. But he was at least receptive to going down and meeting Jones to see what he had to offer. Say what you want about him, but the man does have a keen historical perspective. As for Golden Boy, well, they have a very close, cozy relationship with MGM-Mirage and for them to take have played a part in taking this event elsewhere would most likely damage that union. If the Pacquiao-Mayweather fights landed outside of the 702 area code, then fights like Shane Mosley-Andre Berto (which happens on January 30th at the Mandalay Bay) might have a difficult time finding a home in the future.

Or maybe, just maybe, Mayweather and his representatives simply wanted this fight in Las Vegas. As they thought about the possibility of performing in Texas, they didn’t want to risk getting “Paulie Malignaggi’d.”
 
Pacquiao-Mayweather is a fight that needs to happen.
 
It also has to happen in the right setting.
 
Too bad, it won’t.
 



Spot on with everything he says! Greed is the only word you should associate with why this fight might end up in Vegas!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: thoggy on December 11, 2009, 02:57:42 PM
Don't come crying to me then mate when you can't get a ticket.  :D
1) im not going anyway!!!! never said i was! ;D
2) why the hell would i come crying to you,maybe you could ring arum up and tell him about that softball field!  :P


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 11, 2009, 07:17:47 PM
You know what i don understand ? How does pacman sign a contract as Arum has said and now im reading all over that he doesnt want the fight in California or New York ? I'm guessing the contract just gets updated and a signature will be required again when the location is picked out ?  Something isnt going right with Arum and Schaefer and i hope it gets solved.

Oh well i guess we will wait and see on what is happening to this big fight that can not be passed up.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: PildiLagiMo on December 11, 2009, 08:12:50 PM
its official! roach vs roger will be in the undercard  ;D

The rivalry between the trainers in the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather superfight is expected to be part of the build-up. Freddie Roach, speaking exclusively to The Telegraph , sent out a warning that he will come to blows with Roger Mayweather, the uncle and trainer of the fighter Floyd Mayweather Jnr, if Mayweather indulges in abusive insults in the lead-in to the superfight  next year. Mayweather was quoted this week as saying his man will deliver a boxing lesson to Pacquiao when they meet.

Roach told The Daily Telegraph: “Floyd Snr is no harm. He has his poems and he talks a bit of trash, but he’s not mean. Roger and I don’t get along. He’s a piece of ****. He talks trash about my trainer Eddie Futch. He puts people down who can’t actually defend themselves because they have passed away.”

“He says ‘Eddie Futch wasn’t ****’, stuff like that. He says he would have knocked me out. If he gets out of line, I will fight him. In the street. He’s disrespectful and I’m getting to the point where I can’t take it no more. If he talks like that one more time and I’m in front of him, he’s going to have a fight on his hands. It will be exciting because I’m not going to take this **** from him. He doesn’t have that good a chin – we know that. He can punch though. We’ll see…”


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100004373/manny-pacquiao-coach-roach-warns-roger-mayweather-he-will-ko-him/ (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100004373/manny-pacquiao-coach-roach-warns-roger-mayweather-he-will-ko-him/)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 11, 2009, 09:15:23 PM
its official! roach vs roger will be in the undercard  ;D

The rivalry between the trainers in the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather superfight is expected to be part of the build-up. Freddie Roach, speaking exclusively to The Telegraph , sent out a warning that he will come to blows with Roger Mayweather, the uncle and trainer of the fighter Floyd Mayweather Jnr, if Mayweather indulges in abusive insults in the lead-in to the superfight  next year. Mayweather was quoted this week as saying his man will deliver a boxing lesson to Pacquiao when they meet.

Roach told The Daily Telegraph: “Floyd Snr is no harm. He has his poems and he talks a bit of trash, but he’s not mean. Roger and I don’t get along. He’s a piece of ****. He talks trash about my trainer Eddie Futch. He puts people down who can’t actually defend themselves because they have passed away.”

“He says ‘Eddie Futch wasn’t ****’, stuff like that. He says he would have knocked me out. If he gets out of line, I will fight him. In the street. He’s disrespectful and I’m getting to the point where I can’t take it no more. If he talks like that one more time and I’m in front of him, he’s going to have a fight on his hands. It will be exciting because I’m not going to take this **** from him. He doesn’t have that good a chin – we know that. He can punch though. We’ll see…”


[url]http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100004373/manny-pacquiao-coach-roach-warns-roger-mayweather-he-will-ko-him/[/url] ([url]http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100004373/manny-pacquiao-coach-roach-warns-roger-mayweather-he-will-ko-him/[/url])


hahaha this is funny. The undercard is going to be great !! Can Roach still box ? He looks like hes just in pain most of the time and isnt very active ....I got my money on The Black Mamba


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 11, 2009, 11:58:15 PM
The Black Mamba would destroy Freddie!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: LondonRingRules on December 12, 2009, 12:04:09 AM
hahaha this is funny. The undercard is going to be great !! Can Roach still box ? He looks like hes just in pain most of the time and isnt very active ....I got my money on The Black Mamba



------- Don't tug on Superman's cape, spit into the wind, and you don't mess around with Manos de Freddie:


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Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 12, 2009, 12:19:39 AM
The Black Mamba would destroy Freddie!

don't think so, why do you think he mostly beats up women nowadays?  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 12, 2009, 12:43:38 AM
don't think so, why do you think he mostly beats up women nowadays?  ;D

You have a point!  ;D will be an interesting build up to the fight with these 2 involved!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mac-rebel021 on December 12, 2009, 03:30:51 AM
freddie = credit to the sport
roger crackhead = disgrace to the sport
i remember reading an interview with billy graham after the hatton v mayweather , where he said he went up to roger to shake his hand after the fight and roger showing no class whatsoever just said " i told ya  he'd wup his ass "
i like freddy i think he's a nice guy and is def the best trainer out there at the min and fair play he dont take any of the mayweathers sh**


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gooner on December 12, 2009, 01:47:41 PM
Has anyone taken a gamble and booked vegas yet?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mooreman on December 12, 2009, 02:08:48 PM
Spot on with everything he says! Greed is the only word you should associate with why this fight might end up in Vegas!

Maybe Floyd doesnt want to end up on his back in front of 90k fans  ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: stephen thompson on December 12, 2009, 02:29:31 PM
I doubt that very much. weather its 90k or 16k for a live gate its still 10million + for a television audience


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Floydman on December 12, 2009, 05:58:05 PM
http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=18827 (http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=18827)

PACQUIAO-MAYWEATHER NOT HAPPENING ON MARCH 13?

By G. Leon

Arum denies it, but time will tell!

Boxingtalk.com has been informed that pound for pound king, Manny Pacquiao will likely be unavailable to fight Floyd Mayweather in March due to his running for congress in the Philippines. Our information tells us that the earliest that the highly anticipated will take place is June or July. Earlier today we spoke to Bob Arum and he denied it, stating everything would be a go for March 13, but time will tell. Remember where you heard it first!

i love stirring the shit, me ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaimie77 on December 12, 2009, 06:09:53 PM
[url]http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=18827[/url] ([url]http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=18827[/url])

PACQUIAO-MAYWEATHER NOT HAPPENING ON MARCH 13?

By G. Leon

Arum denies it, but time will tell!

Boxingtalk.com has been informed that pound for pound king, Manny Pacquiao will likely be unavailable to fight Floyd Mayweather in March due to his running for congress in the Philippines. Our information tells us that the earliest that the highly anticipated will take place is June or July. Earlier today we spoke to Bob Arum and he denied it, stating everything would be a go for March 13, but time will tell. Remember where you heard it first!

i love stirring the sh*t, me ;D


Im betting there will be a million and one more storys like this till March.......Until its announced officialy ill pay them no mind.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: westbo on December 12, 2009, 06:39:55 PM
freddie = credit to the sport
roger crackhead = disgrace to the sport
i remember reading an interview with billy graham after the hatton v mayweather , where he said he went up to roger to shake his hand after the fight and roger showing no class whatsoever just said " i told ya  he'd wup his ass "
i like freddy i think he's a nice guy and is def the best trainer out there at the min and fair play he dont take any of the mayweathers sh**
agreed roger is a tw*t of the highest order.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 12, 2009, 07:59:30 PM
Hasnt manny already denied it too ...think koncz said he will use the money for the campaign

Read somewere else before that the nevada state dont meet again till 8th of jab which is when they would schedule the fight also the press conference is for the 11th i think so all seems to fit

[url]http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=18827[/url] ([url]http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=18827[/url])

PACQUIAO-MAYWEATHER NOT HAPPENING ON MARCH 13?

By G. Leon

Arum denies it, but time will tell!

Boxingtalk.com has been informed that pound for pound king, Manny Pacquiao will likely be unavailable to fight Floyd Mayweather in March due to his running for congress in the Philippines. Our information tells us that the earliest that the highly anticipated will take place is June or July. Earlier today we spoke to Bob Arum and he denied it, stating everything would be a go for March 13, but time will tell. Remember where you heard it first!

i love stirring the sh*t, me ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 12, 2009, 08:46:26 PM
I would not complain at the extra time to save, i just wish they would sign and announce it for some day so the people who will be giving them all this money know where they stand.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaimie77 on December 12, 2009, 08:59:04 PM
I would not complain at the extra time to save, i just wish they would sign and announce it for some day so the people who will be giving them all this money know where they stand.

I Agree, i just want to book up knowing when and where for piece of mind, and then its the difficult task of getting a ticket !!

Once thats all done its the long wait till march praying the fight doesnt get pulled for any reason !!  :-\

 


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Forest on December 12, 2009, 09:03:13 PM
I would not complain at the extra time to save, i just wish they would sign and announce it for some day so the people who will be giving them all this money know where they stand.

Until they do, me old mucker, conjecture will be flying about like nobody's business. Until it's official, everything else is hearsay - just sit back and wait!

ps. I heard it was heading for Meadow Lane.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 12, 2009, 09:16:08 PM
latest from Freddie. :)

Boxing Legend Freddie Roach Updates Us On Pacquiao (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGd8r7G7Mxo#normal)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 12, 2009, 09:47:11 PM
any1 else get the impression freddie doesnt really have much time for the clown of an interviewer?? //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 13, 2009, 01:12:17 PM
any1 else get the impression freddie doesnt really have much time for the clown of an interviewer?? //

I would agree, its always the same questions which always can only have the same answers as he must of given a hundred times, that interviewer basically likes the sound of his own voice so much that he basically answered his own questions anyway.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 13, 2009, 01:16:39 PM
Promoter Bob Arum believes Dallas could still host Manny Pacquiao's fight with Floyd Mayweather Jnr in March next year.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has tabled a guaranteed $25m offer to stage the fight at the opulent Cowboys Stadium, setting up a bidding war with the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

While the MGM could come up with a bigger offer based on closed circuit sales and the knock-on benefits of being in the gambling Mecca, the Dallas gate could be twice as big - and Arum likes the guarantee.

"I'm saying that Dallas is a real live possibility, and I have a fiduciary responsibility to Manny Pacquiao to get him the most money," said Arum.

The Dallas deal looked dead when Golden Boy Promotions chief executive Richard Schaefer, representing Mayweather, called off a trip to Texas last week.

But Arum insists all avenues should be explored ahead of what promises to be the biggest-grossing fight in the sport's history.

"I think everybody has an obligation to see," he added. "I know we can get the greatest offer in history from the Texas Stadium.

"My position is whoever has the best deal for those two fighters, that's where I want the deal."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_5768740,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_5768740,00.html)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaimie77 on December 13, 2009, 03:28:12 PM
Promoter Bob Arum believes Dallas could still host Manny Pacquiao's fight with Floyd Mayweather Jnr in March next year.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has tabled a guaranteed $25m offer to stage the fight at the opulent Cowboys Stadium, setting up a bidding war with the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

While the MGM could come up with a bigger offer based on closed circuit sales and the knock-on benefits of being in the gambling Mecca, the Dallas gate could be twice as big - and Arum likes the guarantee.

"I'm saying that Dallas is a real live possibility, and I have a fiduciary responsibility to Manny Pacquiao to get him the most money," said Arum.

The Dallas deal looked dead when Golden Boy Promotions chief executive Richard Schaefer, representing Mayweather, called off a trip to Texas last week.

But Arum insists all avenues should be explored ahead of what promises to be the biggest-grossing fight in the sport's history.

"I think everybody has an obligation to see," he added. "I know we can get the greatest offer in history from the Texas Stadium.

"My position is whoever has the best deal for those two fighters, that's where I want the deal."
[url]http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_5768740,00.html[/url] ([url]http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_5768740,00.html[/url])


I wonder if Floyd will back out of a fight in Dallas just like Manny apparently pulled the plug on L.A. ??

Maybe Roach has a point in saying Floyd will only want to fight in Vegas.....I bet this Dallas talk is just a bargaining tool to keep bumping the cash up.

Mgm for me though please !!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 13, 2009, 03:50:20 PM
I wonder if Floyd will back out of a fight in Dallas just like Manny apparently pulled the plug on L.A. ??

Maybe Roach has a point in saying Floyd will only want to fight in Vegas.....I bet this Dallas talk is just a bargaining tool to keep bumping the cash up.

Mgm for me though please !!

gotta be Vegas all the way for me, even though the plus side with Dallas is a lot more available tickets...can make a holiday of it in Vegas though, can't imagine there bein nearly as much to do in Texas


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 13, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
Hope so too.

Also dallas wont be cheap to get a room if the fight goes there and for what is in vegas i agree its the one id prefer because i like to make a holiday out of the event

gotta be Vegas all the way for me, even though the plus side with Dallas is a lot more available tickets...can make a holiday of it in Vegas though, can't imagine there bein nearly as much to do in Texas


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 14, 2009, 09:53:31 AM
Boxing Announcement for Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Manny Pacquiao
By Johnny Benz (Dec 14, 2009) Doghouse Boxing (Photo © HBO Pay-Per-View) 
Everyone wants the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao fight that has been proposed for an HBO Pay-Per-View TV date of March 13th to be come official. Last week, Promoter Bob Arum who represents Pacquiao's side of the negotiations, stated in the media that he hoped to have a deal in place by today, Monday, in which he could officially announce that the Mayweather Jr. vs Pacquiao is 100% finalized.

So really, should we expect that announcement to be made today? I wouldn't be surprised if it was, but I certainly
won't be shocked if the announcement is not made today. In fact, I am not expecting it. At the time Arum made the statement to the media, negotiations seemed to be moving swiftly and extremely well.

Arum made the statement to the media before all the hoopla of the venue issues that happened last week. A quick run down: The Dallas Cowboys Stadium began last week as a forerunner to land the the mega event. However things quickly changed and the Dallas Cowboys Stadium was no longer in the running... and once again by the end of the week Jerry Jones (owner of the Dallas Cowboys) up'ed his bid (to $25 million dollars) to host the fight and it appears the Dallas Cowboy Stadium is back in the running. Also last week, the Staples Center in Los Angeles made a run for the fight, but was knocked out of contention due to high taxes. MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada is also in the running.

Things are moving well and the negotiations have hit snags, but both sides seem to be working hard to ensure a deal is made. With every place from Dubai to Timbuktu wanting to host this super mega event... we really shouldn't expect the announcement to be made today. All considering that last week's negotiations seemed to hit a stand still with the issue of what venue to choose... and those issues have yet to be resolved.

One thing seems eminent, that sometime, somewhere and somehow, this fight will be made. I myself have been impressed with how quickly this fight has unfolded. I mean really, did any of us think that before negotiations even started, that a quick turn around date of March 13th would be kicked around? (That's basically 3 months away.) I though for sure this one was heading for the Summer time at the earliest. So if the fight isn't made official today... what is a few more days, or a week or two? Both sides of the negotiating table truly are working hard at this one... so I do not think we need to hold our breath on this one... it will happen.

If the announcement is in fact made today, DoghouseBoxing will be on top of it and report it as soon as it does indeed become official. But for reasons I stated above, my money is riding on the fact that it won't be officially

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz121409.htm (http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz121409.htm)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: motoriser on December 14, 2009, 10:49:58 AM
The Black Mamba would destroy Freddie!
Fredie Roach was just a Club fighter in his days,while the Black Mumba was World Champion in 2 weight classes.
He faced a Whose who of Boxing Legends from a Prime Chavez twice,he nearly knocked out a Prime Pernell Whittacker and went the distance against a Prime Kostya even though Rodger was passed his best by then.
Now who did Freddie Roach fight and how many World Titles did he win?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 14, 2009, 11:07:03 AM
Guess its looking like he had all better start putting some serious money away for Dallas imo, i really do hope i am wrong though.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 14, 2009, 11:15:24 AM
Guess its looking like he had all better start putting some serious money away for Dallas imo, i really do hope i am wrong though.

I doubt it's anything more than trying to bluff more $ out of the MGM frankly!  Why would anyone openly disclose a supposed bid figure to stage the fight?  The bidder would be pretty pee'd off I think?  Believe nothing until the thing is announced proper.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 14, 2009, 11:58:18 AM
Guess its looking like he had all better start putting some serious money away for Dallas imo, i really do hope i am wrong though.

dallas is coming up at around £500 for a week inc flights mate so why the concern about the cost?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 14, 2009, 01:18:08 PM
dallas is coming up at around £500 for a week inc flights mate so why the concern about the cost?

Turns out i was wrong, i am sure there have been a few posts on here claiming that Dallas was really expensive and i just believed that without really looking, having now looked your are right and i would be happy to pay what there askin.
Also i would assume its a bit of a shorter flight which is always welcomed.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Tito on December 14, 2009, 01:24:31 PM
dallas is coming up at around £500 for a week inc flights mate so why the concern about the cost?


I was only looking at the cost of going to a Cowboys game last week and seen a direct flight with hotel for 4 nights for £383. I think Dallas would be a great choice but I don't know if the Hoteliers could cope with so much demand there didn't seem to be over 100 hotels in North texas when I was looking.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaff_no1 on December 14, 2009, 01:31:44 PM

I was only looking at the cost of going to a Cowboys game last week and seen a direct flight with hotel for 4 nights for £383. I think Dallas would be a great choice but I don't know if the Hoteliers could cope with so much demand there didn't seem to be over 100 hotels in North texas when I was looking.
You've got to remember tho a large proportion of the gate will be made up from people who live near Dallas and therefore won't need hotels


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 14, 2009, 01:34:30 PM

I was only looking at the cost of going to a Cowboys game last week and seen a direct flight with hotel for 4 nights for £383. I think Dallas would be a great choice but I don't know if the Hoteliers could cope with so much demand there didn't seem to be over 100 hotels in North texas when I was looking.

If it happens who was that through Felix?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: PildiLagiMo on December 14, 2009, 02:00:00 PM
this thread is becoming all about pac and floyd, so i'm side posting this here. pac is truly the face of boxing now. even his punch is crossing over to MMA.


The Pacquiao punch


The unique style and use of angles to punch employed by Manny Pacquiao, who has won world titles from flyweight to welterweight, is crossing over into other combat sports.

‘The Pacquiao’ was used in a mixed martial arts fight on Saturday night – to stunning effect.  One of Pacquiao’s trademark punches, where he dips his shoulder and head throws an overhand left-cum-hook, was used by Las Vegan UFC heavyweight Frank Mir in Memphis on Saturday night to deliver a devastating knockdown of his French opponent Cheick Kongo.

Mir, the former UFC heavyweight champion, who strikes from the south paw stance, delivered the same punch Pacquiao hit Ricky Hatton with in May 2009. Mir set the move up in the same way. He feinted to get Kongo moving into the direction of the left punch, and kerpow – the long left landed.

Mir explained: “It’s something we’ve been saying the whole training camp. We call it “The Pacquiao,” because Manny Pacquiao will step off as a southpaw and throw the overhand left. As soon as I hit Kongo I went to catch him with the uppercut and I didn’t see him, he was on the ground.”


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100004391/ufc-107-mir-copied- (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100004391/ufc-107-mir-copied-)‘the-pacquiao-punch’-to-ko-kongo/


http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content6482.html (http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content6482.html)





Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Tito on December 14, 2009, 03:50:31 PM
If it happens who was that through Felix?

Expedia  ;)


You've got to remember tho a large proportion of the gate will be made up from people who live near Dallas and therefore won't need hotels

How is that so  :-\
Will the tickets be divided up through Ticketmaster and other ticket sellers or will they sell them direct through the Cowboys ticket agency.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaff_no1 on December 14, 2009, 04:16:35 PM
How is that so  :-\
Will the tickets be divided up through Ticketmaster and other ticket sellers or will they sell them direct through the Cowboys ticket agency.
As people will go as it is local to them. When Hatton fights in Manchester, the city doesn't have 55,000 people wanting hotel rooms as people will go as it is within travelling distance. A lot of people who live in Dallas will go as it will just be a night out, not a holiday


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 14, 2009, 04:20:52 PM
Lol both BJ Penn and Mir are trying to emulate Pacquiao, there's getting "Pacquiao'd" is already starting to be a verb in the states.  ;D

Bj Penn on Pacquiao

Penn watched the Nov. 14 boxing match between Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto while he was in his training camp and decided to try to emulate Pacquiao’s style on Saturday.

“I just like watching Pacquiao and how he throws punches in bunches,” Penn said. “He’s so fast. You might get away from the first two or three, but the two or three that come behind that are going to hit you. I kind of figured that out.”



Penn a man among lightweight boys - UFC - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=ApNYhJKNv4fheoytG5b4RrY9Eo14?slug=ki-penn121309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Frank Mir on Pacquiao

Mir explained: “It’s something we’ve been saying the whole training camp. We call it “The Pacquiao,” because Manny Pacquiao will step off as a southpaw and throw the overhand left. As soon as I hit Kongo I went to catch him with the uppercut and I didn’t see him, he was on the ground.”

UFC 107: Mir copied ‘The Pacquiao punch’ to KO Kongo – Telegraph Blogs (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100004391/ufc-107-mir-copied-%E2%80%98the-pacquiao-punch%E2%80%99-to-ko-kongo/)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 14, 2009, 07:52:27 PM
Yeah i heard Bj going on about Manny prior to his fight, Freddie Roach has said that Bj has the best boxing skills he has seen in all the mma fighters he has tought.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 14, 2009, 08:44:34 PM
Fredie Roach was just a Club fighter in his days,while the Black Mumba was World Champion in 2 weight classes.
He faced a Whose who of Boxing Legends from a Prime Chavez twice,he nearly knocked out a Prime Pernell Whittacker and went the distance against a Prime Kostya even though Rodger was passed his best by then.
Now who did Freddie Roach fight and how many World Titles did he win?

Tell me something I dont know dude.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: red_ alert2 on December 16, 2009, 03:44:37 AM
Megafight Crumbling: Floyd Mayweather JR Threatens Pull Out of Manny Pacquiao Showdown
By Geno McGahee-December 16, 2009

In boxing, absolutely nothing is certain. Fights are signed, sealed, and then never get delivered. In the biggest fight in the past ten years, certain obstacles have to be overcome. Egos are colliding, arguments about money and billing arise, and both believe that they have a bigger stake in the matter and should be given preferential treatment.

According to a source very close to the situation, Floyd Mayweather, JR., has threatened to pull out of the March showdown with Manny Pacquiao over a weight issue. Apparently the weight of the meeting has been established, but the wiggle room that Floyd allegedly wants is being contested by Team Pacquiao. In his bout with Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd came in heavy and paid for it financially, but others contend that Marquez paid for it in the ring, losing badly. Pacquiao does not want to face a fighter a division or so heavier than he is and has rightfully protested.

With the Manny Pacquiao bout in limbo, other options have been mentioned but these appear to be negotiation tactics. Reportedly, Mayweather’s camp has suggested that an in between bout would take place in March against a much lesser foe, perhaps a Yuri Foreman or Matthew Hatton and after that, should Pacquiao not accept the terms, a bout with the winner of the Shane Mosley – Andre Berto fight could be in the wings.

Although other options have been mentioned, expect this fight to stay on course and occur. There is far too much money involved and they have agreed on the most important specifics…the cash divide. Now we are in the bickering stage of the negotiations and expect more and more little things blown out of proportion and turned into big deals.

Manny Pacquiao has cleaned up boxing, removing Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, and Miguel Cotto from the big picture. There is no other fight for Floyd at this time and there is not many more options for Pacquiao either.

Pacquiao, should the fight with Floyd fall through, could fight Joshua Clottey, Zab Judah, the winner of Berto-Mosley, or move up again and challenge a guy like Yuri Foreman, a light hitter that gets hit too much…a perfect opponent for Manny should he attempt to go up in weight again, but NOBODY wants to see any of these alternatives. The boxing fans want this fight and when they want something this badly, the promoters will jump through all necessary hoops to make it possible.

When Muhammad Ali and George Foreman seemed like an impossible match up to make, Don King found a way. He lied, manipulated, and stroked the egos of both men, made them both feel like they were getting preferential treatment, when it was an equal deal. That is the mentality that should and will go into this promotion as both men are dealt with and both egos are soothed.

Floyd Mayweather, JR’s reported behavior may also have to due with nerves as he goes into the biggest challenge of his career and frustration may also be a factor. For years, nobody could share the spotlight with Floyd as he stood atop the pound for pound list. He would go into fights with popular fighters, but nobody realistically saw a chance that he would lose.

With Manny entering the picture, we have a real force that adjusts to every situation and finds a way to win, knocking out men that are talented and durable, and sending a statement to Floyd…one that he has received.

The day that Pacquiao took on and destroyed Ricky Hatton, Floyd Mayweather held a press conference announcing his return to boxing and his upcoming contest with Marquez. Part of it was positioning himself in line to take on Pacquiao, but part of it was also anger that people could actually think that the Filipino destroyer could actually defeat him.

Once this latest obstacle is ironed out and both parties are appeased, we will see this bout take place and we should see a modern day Pernell Whitaker – Julio Cesar Chavez sort of bout with the same amount of “experts” splitting down the middle. The fan bases of both men will fill the arena and they may not be able to find a place large enough to fit all of the fans that desperately want to see this bout.

This is why this fight is going to take place…despite the latest news of Floyd pulling out. Boxing is about dollars and sense and Floyd has always treated the sport like a business. He realized that he would get comparable money to take on Carlos Baldomir vice Antonio Margarito. The public didn’t have faith in Margarito at that time and accepted Baldomir just the same. There will be a huge backlash from the public if Floyd takes on anyone other than Pacquiao at this time, and when you look at the persona that he has created for himself, regardless of what the facts may be, the people will believe that he is ducking this challenge.

Floyd has made himself the villain and there are those that desperately want to see him lose for his continual disrespect of his opponents and selective matchmaking at times. No other fighter is as threatening as Pacquiao and no fighter is more popular at this time. This fight has to happen and it will. So don’t panic yet people. This issue should be resolved rather quickly. Stay tuned to RSR for the continued breaking news of the building of this super fight.
http://www.ringsidereport.com/rsr/news. (http://www.ringsidereport.com/rsr/news.) ... dmore=2463


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 04:37:19 AM
Looks like Floydie's starting to chicken out of this fight this early, making silly demands and shit. Why the hell not? he did after all retire after beating Ricky back in 2007 instead of fighting the elite fighters in his own division. ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 16, 2009, 07:05:55 AM
I thought there are no more issues regarding the weight and the glove size and they just finalizing and the only issue is the place... And now he wants to pull out. What a chicken! Paging Keegan! Where are you?  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 07:09:18 AM
I thought there are no more issues regarding the weight and the glove size and they just finalizing and the only issue is the place... And now he wants to pull out. What a chicken! Paging Keegan! Where are you?  ;D

Maybe PBF's demand of Manny fighting him at 154 was true after all.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 16, 2009, 07:15:25 AM
Maybe PBF's demand of Manny fighting him at 154 was true after all.

Why fight Manny at 154 when he can take Manny's WBO welterweight title?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 16, 2009, 07:20:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_FROfviHPY&feature=related

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Fightin Irish on December 16, 2009, 07:21:57 AM
Havent seen any updates on any of the main boxing sites, I'd take this with a pinch of salt fellas!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 07:41:20 AM
Why fight Manny at 154 when he can take Manny's WBO welterweight title?

plus it's not like PBF's the champ at 154 now is he? Pac's currently the #1 P4P fighter in the world and is a welterweight world champ, PBF only has his undefeated record and his former #1 P4P status as of the moment.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 16, 2009, 10:40:46 AM
Havent seen any updates on any of the main boxing sites, I'd take this with a pinch of salt fellas!

I hope your right Jay, this is really takin the slash now with these constant hold ups and rumours and bla bla.
Sign, fight, get paid shitloads its that simple.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: TheTruth on December 16, 2009, 02:30:24 PM
Looks like Floydie's starting to chicken out of this fight this early, making silly demands and sh*t. Why the hell not? he did after all retire after beating Ricky back in 2007 instead of fighting the elite fighters in his own division. ;D

Don't be foolish Filly.  Floyd already signed the contract while Manny "the celebrity singer/adulterer" is too busy dealing with other affairs...


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 07:14:25 PM
Don't be foolish Filly.  Floyd already signed the contract while Manny "the celebrity singer/adulterer" is too busy dealing with other affairs...

you just made a funny  ;D  you forgot to say pun intended lol!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: whieldon on December 16, 2009, 07:24:51 PM
this is not a fact its just a rumour lol...

the fight is at 147 for the 147 welter belt

which manny won at 145 :) and u all say its floyd going on about the weight issues


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 16, 2009, 07:36:39 PM
Havent seen any updates on any of the main boxing sites, I'd take this with a pinch of salt fellas!

Extremely good advice in my opinion.  This and most other stuff till it's announced!   ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Vancouver Blue on December 16, 2009, 07:43:43 PM
I wish they'd hurry up and sign, I have a brilliant flight package booked to Vegas, all I need to do is press the submit button.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 16, 2009, 08:18:29 PM
this is not a fact its just a rumour lol...

the fight is at 147 for the 147 welter belt

which manny won at 145 :) and u all say its floyd going on about the weight issues

You've got it right man.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 09:01:28 PM
this is not a fact its just a rumour lol...

the fight is at 147 for the 147 welter belt

which manny won at 145 :) and u all say its floyd going on about the weight issues

Let me see here, Floyd's demands are

1) fight at the maximum limit of 147 - team Pac complied no problemo

2.) Olympic drug style testing - no problemo

3.) Pac's title on the line - no problemo

4.) 50/50 split - no problemo

now Floyd wants to have more poundage on his side?  Looks like PBF is really thinking twice now about fighting Pac and is ready to back out or stall the negotiations after Pac said "yes" too all his demands to make the fight.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 16, 2009, 09:15:27 PM
Let me see here, Floyd's demands are

1) fight at the maximum limit of 147 - team Pac complied no problemo

2.) Olympic drug style testing - no problemo

3.) Pac's title on the line - no problemo

4.) 50/50 split - no problemo

now Floyd wants to have more poundage on his side?  Looks like PBF is really thinking twice now about fighting Pac and is ready to back out or stall the negotiations after Pac said "yes" too all his demands to make the fight.  ;D

If there is a weight problem, put your money on it being because of Mr. Weight Stipulation himself, Manny Pacquiao. Poor track record you see. Fair play to Floyd for not becoming the latest victim of the Pacman's dishonest attempts to skew bouts in his favour.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 09:47:34 PM
If there is a weight problem, put your money on it being because of Mr. Weight Stipulation himself, Manny Pacquiao. Poor track record you see. Fair play to Floyd for not becoming the latest victim of the Pacman's dishonest attempts to skew bouts in his favour.

you mean because Manny fought at a catchweight once? please, if anybody who has a poor track record in fulfilling the weight that's been agreed upon it's PBF, just check out what he did in the JMM fight. ;D :P

Like I said Pac already agreed with PBF's demands of fighting at the 147 limit, then with his demand of a olympic style random drug test and then the 50/50 split. Those didn't work in terms of making Pac back out of the fight so now he's changing his mind again and is trying to fight at a higher weight class, Your homeboi needs to man up soon bro.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 16, 2009, 10:09:02 PM

Sugar Ray Leonard fought Donny Lalonde at a catchweight to capture another title and that hasn't seemed to have tainted his "legendary" status.

Leonard's second fight with Hearns was also at a catchweight of 162lbs, although Tommy came in half a pound over.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 10:14:22 PM
Leonard's second fight with Hearns was also at a catchweight of 162lbs, although Tommy came in half a pound over.


True, Leonard fought some of his opponents at catchweights I believe.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: dave j on December 16, 2009, 10:24:50 PM
whatever sir hitman?! how many times did Manny fought at catchweight again?  ;D :P

fil you are wasted mate,,you should be part of pacs paid team,, lol.. thats not a diss either,,fairplay to you


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 10:26:57 PM
fil you are wasted mate,,you should be part of pacs paid team,, lol.. thats not a diss either,,fairplay to you


all good bro! CC!  ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 10:36:24 PM
Let me see here, Floyd's demands are

1) fight at the maximum limit of 147 - team Pac complied no problemo

2.) Olympic drug style testing - no problemo

3.) Pac's title on the line - no problemo

4.) 50/50 split - no problemo

now Floyd wants to have more poundage on his side?  Looks like PBF is really thinking twice now about fighting Pac and is ready to back out or stall the negotiations after Pac said "yes" too all his demands to make the fight.  ;D

Fil, have you EVER posted on here about any other fighter other than Manny that didn't have to do with Manny somehow? A serious question... please show me so that you at least show some credibility.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 16, 2009, 10:39:50 PM
you mean because Manny fought at a catchweight once? please, if anybody who has a poor track record in fulfilling the weight that's been agreed upon it's PBF, just check out what he did in the JMM fight. ;D :P

Like I said Pac already agreed with PBF's demands of fighting at the 147 limit, then with his demand of a olympic style random drug test and then the 50/50 split. Those didn't work in terms of making Pac back out of the fight so now he's changing his mind again and is trying to fight at a higher weight class, Your homeboi needs to man up soon bro.

Pacquiao faced Cotto at a catchweight; would only entertain a bout with Mosley if it was held at 142lbs (Shane calling Manny's bluff was damn sweet); faced De La Hoya and Morales at weights they would look to have much trouble making, and forced super bantamweight Oscar Larios to jump to divisions to face him at super featherweight. He's the one who makes the weight demands, not Mayweather.

How do you know Pacquiao has agreed to the demands? How do you know what the Mayweather camps demands were? Have you got inside knowledge into the negoitations? Or are you making assumption based off of what 'Master' Roach has been reporting? Truth is you have no more a clue as to what is going on than anyone else on here. Let the rumours go and start dealing in facts.

It's humerous how you feel that Mayweather doesn't want Pacquiao, any intelligent person not sipping the hater-ade can see that Mayweather has set out to fight Pacquiao since his return. Mayweather wouldn't be in negoitiations with someone he doesn't want to fight. Simple as that.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 10:40:39 PM
Fil, have you EVER posted on here about any other fighter other than Manny that didn't have to do with Manny somehow? A serious question... please show me so that you at least show some credibility.

LOL you're already admitting that I have credibility by taking the time to replyt to my post  ;D in seriousness go through all of my postings and you'll see that I post stuff about other boxers as well.  :P


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 10:44:56 PM
Pacquiao faced Cotto at a catchweight; would only entertain a bout with Mosley if it was held at 142lbs (Shane calling Manny's bluff was damn sweet); faced De La Hoya and Morales at weights they would look to have much trouble making, and forced super bantamweight Oscar Larios to jump to divisions to face him at super featherweight. He's the one who makes the weight demands, not Mayweather.

How do you know Pacquiao has agreed to the demands? How do you know what the Mayweather camps demands were? Have you got inside knowledge into the negoitations? Or are you making assumption based off of what 'Master' Roach has been reporting? Truth is you have no more a clue as to what is going on than anyone else on here. Let the rumours go and start dealing in facts.

It's humerous how you feel that Mayweather doesn't want Pacquiao, any intelligent person not sipping the hater-ade can see that Mayweather has set out to fight Pacquiao since his return. Mayweather wouldn't be in negoitiations with someone he doesn't want to fight. Simple as that.

the fact still remains that Pac only fought once at a "catchweight" end of, nice try though.  ;D :P


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 10:48:06 PM
the de lahoya fight was at 147 welterweight limit, it was not a catchweight as a catchweight is a weight that falls in between weight divisions? is that clear enough for you sir Hitman?  // ;)

it's not even about that.. they WANTED Cotto at first to be at 143 or 144 and then he saw that according to his own words that Cotto was damaged goods.. but to be absolutely certain he thought he'd drain him down 2 more lbs. Shane wanted to fight him, guess what though? That one had to be at 143... know why? Manny can't KO Shane and Freddie knows it, but Shane has the power to punch Manny right out of the ring so 147 was out of the question completely even though Shane is what? 37 now? As far as Floyd goes, do you really think they would take that fight at 147 if Floyd didn't have so much pull when it came to raking in the money? Freddie is making Manny more and more of a joke.

Oh yeah, and Floyd at least fought DLH at 154... a hard punching not quite as old or shot DLH would could actually move and punch... although not many landed on Floyd, Floyd used the gloves they wanted, the ring they wanted, everything was on their terms. And while we're on the subject, this should be good for Roach since he "wants more time to prepare". The great #1 p4p champion, needs time to prepare for a challenger... more time than between now and March. I got bets with 2 people on here already who were willing to step up for their man... you ready to step up too fil or you just going to be a pussy and run your mouth?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 16, 2009, 10:49:02 PM
the fact still remains that Pac only fought once at a "catchweight" end of, nice try though.  ;D :P

You're a cretin, running away when ever some proper discussion comes up. Show your knowledge fil. Actually respond to my post. How do you know what's going on in the negotiations?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 10:52:27 PM
You're a cretin, running away when ever some proper discussion comes up. Show your knowledge fil. Actually respond to my post. How do you know what's going on in the negotiations?

he's not going to answer your question... the supposed greatest have to be questioned and if you happen to be one of their personal semen farters then you have to be willing to show REAL proof of their actions.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 10:52:37 PM
You're a cretin, running away when ever some proper discussion comes up. Show your knowledge fil. Actually respond to my post. How do you know what's going on in the negotiations?

dude, why all the hate and name calling man? be mature for once!  ;D :P


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 10:53:25 PM
dude, why all the hate and name calling man? be mature for once!  ;D :P

Fil, just respond with your typical "whatever bro, you're stalking me" and gtfo of here... you're not wanted on these forums.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 10:54:38 PM
he's not going to answer your question... the supposed greatest have to be questioned and if you happen to be one of their personal semen farters then you have to be willing to show REAL proof of their actions.

There you go with your gayish postings again meth, why do you always veer towards that direction?  ;D :P


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 10:56:11 PM
Fil, just respond with your typical "whatever bro, you're stalking me" and gtfo of here... you're not wanted on these forums.

LOL it must pain you to see that I'm still around eh? too bad you're not a MOD and you can't just ban me at the flick of your fingers.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 16, 2009, 10:57:12 PM
he's not going to answer your question... the supposed greatest have to be questioned and if you happen to be one of their personal semen farters then you have to be willing to show REAL proof of their actions.

Pot, Kettle and Black spring instantly to mind! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 16, 2009, 10:57:25 PM
dude, why all the hate and name calling man? be mature for once!  ;D :P

I'm the one who comes on here to discuss boxing, not hate and nuthug.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 10:58:50 PM
There you go with your gayish postings again meth, why do you always veer towards that direction?  ;D :P

well I don't know Fil, you talk about manny, you have his pictures up all over the place, you post every article about him that comes out... so much so that the mods had to put them all into this one thread which basically you single-handedly caused. It would appear that you are the one who needs to come out and admit your love for another man....

by the way, good attempt at slithering away from the questions others are asking you though.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:00:04 PM
I'm the one who comes on here to discuss boxing, not hate and nuthug.

Hmmm...... you nuthug PBF alot and I don't hold that against you, he's your kind of fighter.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:00:10 PM
Pot, Kettle and Black spring instantly to mind! ;D

why don't you ask me a question and i'll be honest about it then... when have you asked me something I didn't answer? Go out in real life and try to play smart because it doesn't work to well for you on here.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:02:01 PM
Hmmm...... you nuthug PBF alot and I don't hold that against you, he's your kind of fighter.

Why? Because he gives out facts about the guy? He's admitted MANY times that Floyd's resume isn't the best above 140 lbs... but he fought 2 out of the 3 guys that you're favorite guy did, beat them first and while they were more fresh, didn't weight drain them.. so what say you about that?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:02:12 PM
well I don't know Fil, you talk about manny, you have his pictures up all over the place, you post every article about him that comes out... so much so that the mods had to put them all into this one thread which basically you single-handedly caused. It would appear that you are the one who needs to come out and admit your love for another man....

by the way, good attempt at slithering away from the questions others are asking you though.

LOL there are other pinoys in this forum who also post news about Pac exclusively and has rarely any postings about other fighters yet I get your full attention? careful now I'm beginning to think you got a mancrush on me!  ;D :P


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 16, 2009, 11:03:01 PM
why don't you ask me a question and i'll be honest about it then... when have you asked me something I didn't answer? Go out in real life and try to play smart because it doesn't work to well for you on here.

Oh really? Just remove your lips from Mayweather's arse for once and you'd have seen what I meant.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaimie77 on December 16, 2009, 11:04:04 PM
Fil, just respond with your typical "whatever bro, you're stalking me" and gtfo of here... you're not wanted on these forums.

Harsh that mate, so is Keegan or a few others not welcome for backing their man ??

Sure fil goes on a bit at times but its all in good jest, lighten up its Xmas !!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 16, 2009, 11:04:11 PM
Hmmm...... you nuthug PBF alot and I don't hold that against you, he's your kind of fighter.

I respond to the mass amount of hating and false truths about Floyd, using facts and reason. That's not nuthugging.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:04:16 PM
Why? Because he gives out facts about the guy? He's admitted MANY times that Floyd's resume isn't the best above 140 lbs... but he fought 2 out of the 3 guys that you're favorite guy did, beat them first and while they were more fresh, didn't weight drain them.. so what say you about that?

Did he beat Cotto? nope because instead of fighting the best fighters in his division PBF conveniently decided to retire after fighting Ricky. 4 years in the welterweight division and he managed to avoid the top fighters, amazing indeed!!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:04:23 PM
LOL there are other pinoys in this forum who also post news about Pac exclusively and has rarely any postings about other fighters yet I get your full attention? careful now I'm beginning to think you got a mancrush on me!  ;D :P

oh Fil, you're bringing up more gay stuff... who has a crush again? I'm sorry but you beneath me and are just simply fun to toy with.... how about that bet that you once again have ducked me on? Or how about this... want to admit DLH was weight drained during his fight with manny yet?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:05:40 PM
Oh really? Just remove your lips from Mayweather's arse for once and you'd have seen what I meant.



Then ask me a question you don't think i'll answer honestly... like I already asked you once... and yet you didn't... let's try it again smart guy.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:06:12 PM
Harsh that mate, so is Keegan or a few others not welcome for backing their man ??

Sure fil goes on a bit at times but its all in good jest, lighten up its Xmas !!

some people are soooo easy to get worked up bro........


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 16, 2009, 11:06:44 PM
Fil, just respond with your typical "whatever bro, you're stalking me" and gtfo of here... you're not wanted on these forums.

Personally I enjoy fil's posts. He may like the Pacman (and why not?), but he comes across well balanced to me.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:07:24 PM
Oh really? Just remove your lips from Mayweather's arse for once and you'd have seen what I meant.



Meth is on meth bro wheelchair, hence his behavior!  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:07:53 PM
Did he beat Cotto? nope because instead of fighting the best fighters in his division PBF conveniently decided to retire after fighting Ricky. 4 years in the welterweight division and he managed to avoid the top fighters, amazing indeed!!  ;D

so he fought DLH, and Ricky... as I said, 2 out of the 3 that manny gets praised for yet Floyd took shit for and so...... what?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:08:19 PM
Personally I enjoy fil's posts. He may like the Pacman (and why not?), but he comes across well balanced to me.

Thanks bro, I CC'd you already but looks like someone here SC'd you for backing me up. I owe you another one tomorrow dude!  :) ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 16, 2009, 11:08:36 PM
Then ask me a question you don't think i'll answer honestly... like I already asked you once... and yet you didn't... let's try it again smart guy.

You accused fil1979 of being a fanboy, that's rich coming from you!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:09:27 PM
Meth is on meth bro wheelchair, hence his behavior!  ;D ;D

hey bro, yeah bro... definitely bro i'm on meth bro... yet I still outthink can out debate you everyday on these forums lol. Cool though bro, no harsh feelings bro.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:10:40 PM
You accused fil1979 of being a fanboy, that's rich coming from you!

Is that really your question? lol


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 16, 2009, 11:11:20 PM
Is that really your question? lol

That is a statement, not a question.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:12:18 PM
Thanks bro, I CC'd you already but looks like someone here SC'd you for backing me up. I owe you another one tomorrow dude!  :) ;)

that's funny considering you sc everyone on here who doesn't agree with you about manny. lmao! Looks like you're working your way toward the negative side too Fil... what happened?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:12:27 PM
hey bro, yeah bro... definitely bro i'm on meth bro... yet I still outthink can out debate you everyday on these forums lol. Cool though bro, no harsh feelings bro.

Unlike you I have no desire to prove that I'm better than everybody else, that just comes with maturity meth.   :P


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 16, 2009, 11:12:35 PM
Did he beat Cotto? nope because instead of fighting the best fighters in his division PBF conveniently decided to retire after fighting Ricky. 4 years in the welterweight division and he managed to avoid the top fighters, amazing indeed!!  ;D

Nothing convenient about it, a fighter is entitled to retire when they please, and any man who finishes on top leaves behind worthy contenders. Mayweather returns and looks for a fight with the man that just defeated Cotto.

Mayweather beat two of the top welterweights of 2006, the other bout not being available due to promotional issues. He then took the big money bouts with De La Hoya and Hatton, as any fighter would. A deserved payoff for a careers hard work, surely you can't begrudge Mayweather for cashing in when Pacquiao has done the exact same. I suppose Manny was ducking Casamayor and Campbell when he stepped up to face ODLH then.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:13:18 PM
That is a statement, not a question.

oh ok, well when you are ready to ask me that question that apparently I duck or whatever, then you just let me know... otherwise just hush your little lips  :-X


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 16, 2009, 11:13:23 PM
that's funny considering you sc everyone on here who doesn't agree with you about manny. lmao! Looks like you're working your way toward the negative side too Fil... what happened?

I think fil's IQ is much healthier than yours! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:13:35 PM
that's funny considering you sc everyone on here who doesn't agree with you about manny. lmao! Looks like you're working your way toward the negative side too Fil... what happened?

LOL don't lose sleep over me losing CC's bro, that's not good for your heart!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 16, 2009, 11:13:54 PM
Nothing at all to do with me fellas, but do we all have to trawl forever through this constant bickering just to see if there's a useful and informative post about the subject matter?  C'mon now, it's Christmas and all.  Let's keep it real   ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 16, 2009, 11:14:10 PM
oh ok, well when you are ready to ask me that question that apparently I duck or whatever, then you just let me know... otherwise just hush your little lips  :-X

Unlike yourself, you need to have your lips surgically removed from Mayweather's arse! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:15:15 PM
I think fil's IQ is much healthier than yours! ;D

lol, I suppose the difference is I don't really care about that because his is based on man love for manny and mine is based on telling the truth. You gonna ask me that question or be like fil and keep ducking me too?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:16:42 PM
Unlike yourself, you need to have your lips surgically removed from Mayweather's arse! ;D

oh wow, very snappy comeback, really. Now how about asking me that question huh? lol


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:16:54 PM
Nothing at all to do with me fellas, but do we all have to trawl forever through this constant bickering just to see if there's a useful and informative post about the subject matter?  C'mon now, it's Christmas and all.  Let's keep it real   ;)

LOL all I do in this thread is put news about this whole thing but apparently quite alot of peeps here have a thing for me and wants me out of this forum! Make a poll, any of you guys make a poll and if majority of the people wants me to go then I'll go, there's always Pacland for me....I promise!  :) ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:18:07 PM
LOL don't lose sleep over me losing CC's bro, that's not good for your heart!  ;D

hardly losing sleep... I haven't even been on here to give you sc's so apparently you have quite a few people who don't like you to much anymore.... bro lol.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:18:41 PM
hardly losing sleep... I haven't even been on here to give you sc's so apparently you have quite a few people who don't like you to much anymore.... bro lol.

yeah, yeah is that all you got?  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 16, 2009, 11:19:25 PM
LOL all I do in this thread is put news about this whole thing but apparently quite alot of peeps here have a thing for me and wants me out of this forum! Make a poll, any of you guys make a poll and if majority of the people wants me to go then I'll go, there's always Pacland for me....I promise!  :) ;)

No ones got a problem with the articles, it's the hating that follows.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 16, 2009, 11:21:14 PM
oh wow, very snappy comeback, really. Now how about asking me that question huh? lol

Question? Ok then. What's the view like inside Floyds rectum?  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:21:48 PM
yeah, yeah is that all you got?  ;D

like I told wheelchair, very snappy comeback yet again... it's been fun, but I must be going now... neither of you have arguments that mean much, have ducked all questions well and can't debate worth shit... maybe you should pm back and forth and try to come up with something witty.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:22:04 PM
Question? Ok then. What's the view like inside Floyds rectum?  ;D

you are one hilarious dude!! good one bro!!  :)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:22:59 PM
like I told wheelchair, very snappy comeback yet again... it's been fun, but I must be going now... neither of you have arguments that mean much, have ducked all questions well and can't debate worth sh*t... maybe you should pm back and forth and try to come up with something witty.

awwww you got you tail tucked between your legs now?!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 16, 2009, 11:23:30 PM
Question? Ok then. What's the view like inside Floyds rectum?  ;D

I don't know honestly... I should ask you that about fil and fil about manny though huh? lol. Yet again, I realize you are upset at the fact that you cannot debate with me because being so much higher than you in everyway it must be difficult to keep up.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 16, 2009, 11:24:37 PM
I don't know honestly... I should ask you that about fil and fil about manny though huh? lol. Yet again, I realize you are upset at the fact that you cannot debate with me because being so much higher than you in everyway it must be difficult to keep up.

How long have you followed boxing?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 16, 2009, 11:25:05 PM
awwww you got you tail tucked between your legs now?!  ;D

Got any responses for me?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:26:54 PM
Got any responses for me?

Nope.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 16, 2009, 11:28:43 PM
Nope.  ;D

You're a joke.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:31:31 PM
You're a joke.

LOL I'm a joke cause I don't want to argue with you? LOL what's the use if I did anyway? we won't be seeing eye to eye as we come from two different sides of the boxing spectrum. You prefer a "Runner" in Floyd who doesn't like getting hit and I prefer the "fighter" in Manny who provides all out action. Please no matter what you call me you won't be successful in trying to piss me off, I on the other hand though am successful with pissing a few of you guys off without even trying!  ;D :P


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 16, 2009, 11:45:10 PM
LOL I'm a joke cause I don't want to argue with you? LOL what's the use if I did anyway? we won't be seeing eye to eye as we come from two different sides of the boxing spectrum. You prefer a "Runner" in Floyd who doesn't like getting hit and I prefer the "fighter" in Manny who provides all out action. Please no matter what you call me you won't be successful in trying to P*ss me off, I on the other hand though am successful with pissing a few of you guys off without even trying!  ;D :P

No, you're a joke because you make biased and uninformed comments, and then run off when proven wrong. Next day, back you come with the same comments. You have very little reasoning skills. Even here you show no balance, casting Floyd in a negative light just because his style is not to your taste.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 16, 2009, 11:48:15 PM
No, you're a joke because you make biased and uninformed comments, and then run off when proven wrong. Next day, back you come with the same comments. You have very little reasoning skills. Even here you show no balance, casting Floyd in a negative light just because his style is not to your taste.


God bless you bro.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Chris on December 17, 2009, 12:36:33 AM
I'm going to sleep and in the morning I hope you've stopped arguing.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 17, 2009, 12:42:05 AM
 :D

its only early for them either way
I'm going to sleep and in the morning I hope you've stopped arguing.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 17, 2009, 05:02:59 AM
Unlike yourself, you need to have your lips surgically removed from Mayweather's arse! ;D

Wheelchair, can you make a limerick just for Meth...  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 17, 2009, 06:05:29 AM
How long have you followed boxing?

I have been following it for a good 7 or 8 years now I guess... wow, an actual real question.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 17, 2009, 06:08:19 AM
awwww you got you tail tucked between your legs now?!  ;D

fil, I own you in every single debate so please, don't try to act like you won something here... you didn't, shall I dig up where you accused me of picking Cotto to win like you said I did, then when I directly asked you to find it you had no response? Perhaps I should dig up the other thread where I asked you to bet me a simple 20.00 on the fight when it happens and asked you over and over and you had no response, yet you are still all over pacqueeraio's jock? I OWN you every day and I love it! You are my livefight forum bitch! How does it feel? lmao!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Greb on December 17, 2009, 07:02:59 AM
Inner Peace

I am passing this on to you because it definitely worked for me today, and we all could probably use more calm in our lives!

Some doctor on the TV this morning said that the way to achieve "inner peace" is to finish all the things you have started. So I looked around my house to see things I'd started and hadn't finished and, before leaving the house this morning,
I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of shhhardonay, a bodle of Baileys, abutle of vocka, a pockage of Pringlies, tha mainder of a botl Prozic and Valumscriptins, the res of the Chesescke an a box a chocolets. Yu haf no idr who frikin gud I fel.

Peas sen dis orn to anyy yu fee ar in ned ov inr pece..


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: LondonRingRules on December 17, 2009, 07:22:52 AM
You have very little reasoning skills. Even here you show no balance, casting Floyd in a negative light just because his style is not to your taste.


------- I'll let you settle your little dustups, but point of fact:

Floydy has chosen to fight in a defensive mode and cast himself as the heel in promotions for some years now. In short, Floydy has cast himself in a negative light, which is why he gets booed in his own hometown.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 17, 2009, 07:35:39 AM
I have been following it for a good 7 or 8 years now I guess... wow, an actual real question.

So not that long then.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: The Pastel rascal on December 17, 2009, 07:57:59 AM
You boys need to keep your flirting to PMs and keep this thread clear for its original intention.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 17, 2009, 08:07:31 AM
How phenomenally disheartening to come on here first thing, see that there has been 6 pages of updates, assume that there has been progress in the deal and that something worthwhile has been discussed and then see that it has been taken up with this crap.

This is potentially the biggest fight of the last 25 years, the richest fight of all time. And 40 odd pages of this thread discussing could easily be removed as it's all inane tosh.

This is a boxing forum gents, not a bitch slap fest.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: TC on December 17, 2009, 08:27:07 AM
How phenomenally disheartening to come on here first thing, see that there has been 6 pages of updates, assume that there has been progress in the deal and that something worthwhile has been discussed and then see that it has been taken up with this crap.

This is potentially the biggest fight of the last 25 years, the richest fight of all time. And 40 odd pages of this thread discussing could easily be removed as it's all inane tosh.

This is a boxing forum gents, not a bitch slap fest.

Took the words right out of my mouth. I've just spent ten minutes trawling through that crap to find out the most recent developments. What a pointless debate.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on December 17, 2009, 08:31:37 AM
Took the words right out of my mouth. I've just spent ten minutes trawling through that crap to find out the most recent developments. What a pointless debate.

me too - well said guys  ;D



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaff_no1 on December 17, 2009, 08:47:14 AM
Last night I came on and it was page 40, this morning i loooked and it was on 47. I thought something must have been announced but all it was is pages and pages of childish bickering. My dad's got a better car than your dad


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Caesar The Chimp on December 17, 2009, 09:09:47 AM
best to stay off this post until like next year, something exciting might have happened by then  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 17, 2009, 10:33:15 AM

This is a boxing forum gents, not a bitch slap fest.

I would love to bitch slap the lot of them  pathetic

Ahh well that wasted 20 mins at work trying to find if there was actually some worthy news in the 7 new pages.  Got a wee bit excited for a min thinking there had been a major development  >:( 


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 17, 2009, 12:00:54 PM
I got bets with 2 people on here already who were willing to step up for their man... you ready to step up too fil or you just going to be a pussy and run your mouth?


I see this all the time from you so thought this might be of help:

http://www.gamblersanonymous.org.uk/ (http://www.gamblersanonymous.org.uk/)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: cookiejay on December 17, 2009, 12:21:50 PM
 thanks for wasteing 7 pages guys.........i thought something had happened in the negotiations


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: SeaLegs on December 17, 2009, 12:36:14 PM
Like everyone else I just spend a load of time trawling through this thread excited thinking there must have been a deal struck wit hthe extra activity. Can the thread not be locked and a new one started to save others the hassle of the same.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Swinny46 on December 17, 2009, 12:50:17 PM
People, whats happening?!?!

Keep your bitching to yourselves please, i cant be arsed to read through pages and pages of utter bullshit!

I only come on here to find out if theres any progression with this fight!!!

Regards


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 17, 2009, 01:12:40 PM
I did make the very same plea to them midway through this bitch-slapping session, but it seemed to go entirely unnoticed, or maybe just ignored.  For God's sake, surely it's Ok for one member to support one particular boxer and another one someone else, without all this?  If someone is a little more vocal than you would like in their support, you only have to ignore their posts, surely?  Happy Christmas!   ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 17, 2009, 02:03:21 PM
we have lads on here giving out that they had to read through 7 pages of crap (which i agree with) but we are now well on our way to having another 7 pages crap with ppl giving out about about the initial 7pages of crap.....so we will shortly have 14 pages of crap. makes sense  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: The Sands on December 17, 2009, 02:09:13 PM
I did make the very same plea to them midway through this bitch-slapping session, but it seemed to go entirely unnoticed, or maybe just ignored.  For God's sake, surely it's Ok for one member to support one particular boxer and another one someone else, without all this?  If someone is a little more vocal than you would like in their support, you only have to ignore their posts, surely?  Happy Christmas!   ;)

CC mate, nice to see some maturity.

For the life of me I don't see why Fil gets so much slack from some people. At worst, he's "guilty" of being an overly passionate fan of one boxer....if that bothers you so greatly simply ignore his posts.

The childish bickering is silly though.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Swinny46 on December 17, 2009, 02:21:14 PM
Is there any more news out there about this fight, ive been looking on US websites but not seen anything that i havent read already!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: lurkyshaka on December 17, 2009, 02:56:45 PM
Is there any more news out there about this fight, ive been looking on US websites but not seen anything that i havent read already!


Freddie Roach talks about steroids, weight, Mayweather.....

http://www.the13thround.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=58002 (http://www.the13thround.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=58002)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 17, 2009, 05:19:47 PM
it's only a few people who are bothered by fil which is pointless, if his posts annoy you don't read them simple, and then pointless, stupid 7 page ramblings about F*ck all can be avoided...he's just showing his support for his man, maybe it's a bit more than most but oh well that's just his passion, i thought everybody would of realised by now Filipinos aren't your average boxing fans


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 17, 2009, 05:41:15 PM
haha Am just glad i read this page first telling me that the other god knows how many are full of shit, gutted though to still see no developments yet again.
There killing the hype there trying to build by taking so long.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 17, 2009, 05:51:25 PM
I've got a novel solution. Forget Mayweather, and instead try 'Pac-fighter'.

Its a prizefighter type thing where Manny fights Khan, Valero and then Foreman all on the same night!







Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 17, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
I had a feeling 8oz gloves would be a issue and the rules are ...

Rules in Vegas ...At welterweight , the gloves should be 10 oz gloves unless both parties agree different weight.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 17, 2009, 06:55:09 PM
So not that long then.

funny how you say that, yet when I have asked you MULTIPLE times on this thread to ask me anything you want about the sport you neglect to do so. If 7-8 years isn't that long, then no I guess not.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 17, 2009, 06:56:22 PM
funny how you say that, yet when I have asked you MULTIPLE times on this thread to ask me anything you want about the sport you neglect to do so. If 7-8 years isn't that long, then no I guess not.

I have nothing I want to ask that's why. Rest assured, when I have a question for you, I'll let you know.

7 or 8 years isn't a long time to me.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 17, 2009, 07:01:03 PM
I have nothing I want to ask that's why. Rest assured, when I have a question for you, I'll let you know.

7 or 8 years isn't a long time to me.

well I congradulate you on that then.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 17, 2009, 07:02:05 PM
well I congradulate you on that then.

Actually I have a boxing question for you.

What feat did Harry Greb achieve that no other boxer in history managed?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 17, 2009, 07:05:35 PM
Freddie Roach talks about steroids, weight, Mayweather.....

[url]http://www.the13thround.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=58002[/url] ([url]http://www.the13thround.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=58002[/url])


why... 6 weeks out would a blood test mentally affect a fighter? That sounds suspicious to me... unless he's afraid of needles.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Hitman on December 17, 2009, 07:14:14 PM
Actually I have a boxing question for you.

What feat did Harry Greb achieve that no other boxer in history managed?

He beat Gene Tunney


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 17, 2009, 07:16:30 PM
He beat Gene Tunney

Indeed. Well done!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 17, 2009, 09:07:46 PM
Actually I have a boxing question for you.

What feat did Harry Greb achieve that no other boxer in history managed?

Maybe Harry Greb was placed  very high in the rankings at the middleweight and light-heavyweight divisions, and was fighting in a no-decision era ?

Nevermind, looks like hitman got the right answer.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gooner on December 17, 2009, 09:32:47 PM
This is driving me mad.  I've spent the last 2 weeks checking the internet every 10 minutes to see if the venue has been confirmed.  I thought there was gonna be an announcement today.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 17, 2009, 09:37:19 PM
I've got a novel solution. Forget Mayweather, and instead try 'Pac-fighter'.

Its a prizefighter type thing where Manny fights Khan, Valero and then Foreman all on the same night!


I'm going to put this on at the York Hall! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 17, 2009, 10:23:36 PM
I've got a novel solution. Forget Mayweather, and instead try 'Pac-fighter'.

Its a prizefighter type thing where Manny fights Khan, Valero and then Foreman all on the same night!


I'm going to put this on at the York Hall! ;D


The funny thing is that he might be able to beat all of them in 1 night.  :-X


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 17, 2009, 10:25:15 PM
The funny thing is that he might be able to beat all of them in 1 night.  :-X

I reckon he probably could!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Romanopapa on December 17, 2009, 11:09:45 PM
Not looking good as time goes by. Heres somthing concerning...

http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/two-respected-insiders-say-march-13-date-is-off/ (http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/two-respected-insiders-say-march-13-date-is-off/)

First, it was George Peterson, the trainer and manager of Paul Williams, who responded two weeks ago to a question asking his opinion on the Pacquiao-Mayweather match, by answering, “It isn’t gonna happen. It isn’t gonna happen. Some fights weren’t mean to be made.”

Next, none other than Bernard Hopkins, revealed in a Boxingtalk.com interview with Greg Leon, with an offhand remark that his inside source told him the March 13 date would be likely be canceled.

The interesting connection here is that both George Peterson and Bernard Hopkins have direct ties to Al Haymon, the advisor of Floyd Mayweather. Peterson and Haymon are partners in guiding the career of Williams, while Hopkins has stated on the record he is “friends” with Haymon. Hopkins’ most recent fight was against Ornelas, who is the brother of Haymon client Librado Andrade.

Could Haymon have divulged insider information to Peterson and Hopkins, which both inadvertantly leaked to the media?

Only time will tell.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 17, 2009, 11:17:55 PM
The funny thing is that he might be able to beat all of them in 1 night.  :-X

he would beat all of them at the one time.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: blow_jab on December 18, 2009, 12:48:14 AM
Not looking good as time goes by. Heres somthing concerning...

[url]http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/two-respected-insiders-say-march-13-date-is-off/[/url] ([url]http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/two-respected-insiders-say-march-13-date-is-off/[/url])

First, it was George Peterson, the trainer and manager of Paul Williams, who responded two weeks ago to a question asking his opinion on the Pacquiao-Mayweather match, by answering, “It isn’t gonna happen. It isn’t gonna happen. Some fights weren’t mean to be made.”

Next, none other than Bernard Hopkins, revealed in a Boxingtalk.com interview with Greg Leon, with an offhand remark that his inside source told him the March 13 date would be likely be canceled.

The interesting connection here is that both George Peterson and Bernard Hopkins have direct ties to Al Haymon, the advisor of Floyd Mayweather. Peterson and Haymon are partners in guiding the career of Williams, while Hopkins has stated on the record he is “friends” with Haymon. Hopkins’ most recent fight was against Ornelas, who is the brother of Haymon client Librado Andrade.

Could Haymon have divulged insider information to Peterson and Hopkins, which both inadvertantly leaked to the media?

Only time will tell.





This news is saddening... and all this snow makes it worse.  :'(


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: LondonRingRules on December 18, 2009, 01:17:29 AM
Not looking good as time goes by.

-------- The intractable problem just got sorted with the results of the Greatest Ever Boxer Awards.

Manny whipped the pants off of Floydy who barely got a mention. No need to fight any more since Manny will just whip him again.

Time for everyone to move on. Let Manny lift the 154 belt off of Foreman, and retire to politics, and Floydy can fight Eric Morales for the IBA belt and retire to his "gentlemen's clubs."


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 18, 2009, 02:55:16 AM
To all of those who hate Floyd and want to pretend he is trying to duck manny... here you go http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz1216e09.htm (http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz1216e09.htm)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 18, 2009, 03:55:33 AM
annnnnnnnd here's some more of the crap proven untrue ....

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz1213a09.htm (http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz1213a09.htm)

Negotiations for an HBO Pay-per-view event featuring Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao for the proposed date of March 13th, 2010 are still ongoing. At this time it is safe to say that negotiations and ramblings in the media are at a fever pitch.  And why not?  It's the Pay-Per-View broadcast event everyone wants to see on their TV sets. In a latest twist of events, Team Floyd Mayweather Jr. is firing back at recent claims coming from Manny Pacquiao's camp. In a recent interview with Popular boxing scribe for the Grand Rapids Press, David Mayo,

Mayweather Jr's adviser Leonard Ellerbe shot back at recent claims made by Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach. Ellerbe stated that claims coming from Team Pacquiao that Mayweather's side wants the fight to occur with over sized gloves in an over sized ring and that the fight be contested at 154 pounds and not 147 pounds (the welterweight limit) is one of the most ridiculous comments he has heard in awhile. In regards to the extra weight, bigger gloves and over sized ring, Ellerbe tells the publication:"That's one of the most ridiculous comments I've heard in quite some time".

Ellerbe went on to add that he believes that those comments made by Pacquiao's side is just mind games being played by Roach and further added there have been no efforts by his team to get the fight at a heavier weight, in a bigger ring with larger gloves. That's just Freddie attempting to play mind games with the public" stated Ellerbe, adding:"No matter what he attempts to convince the public of, there was no effort by Team Mayweather to have the fight at 154, to have a 22-foot ring, or to have 10-ounce gloves".

Things are hot folks!  And that is a very good thing.  Let us hope this fight comes off and those of us who can't be live on site at the event, can sit at home and watch the mega event on TV.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Romanopapa on December 18, 2009, 06:02:23 AM
Bob Arum says Pacquiao - Mayweather on pause until Sunday

Interview starts at 1:03.

http://www.directorslive.com/video/2514/Bob-Arum-says-Pacquiao--Mayweather-on-pause-until-Sunday (http://www.directorslive.com/video/2514/Bob-Arum-says-Pacquiao--Mayweather-on-pause-until-Sunday)

There's our answer.  Hopefully an official announcement by next week.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: whieldon on December 18, 2009, 08:49:26 AM
-------- The intractable problem just got sorted with the results of the Greatest Ever Boxer Awards.

Manny whipped the pants off of Floydy who barely got a mention. No need to fight any more since Manny will just whip him again.

Time for everyone to move on. Let Manny lift the 154 belt off of Foreman, and retire to politics, and Floydy can fight Eric Morales for the IBA belt and retire to his "gentlemen's clubs."

lol them awards are bull shit aint they really ... to have pacquiao above ali for a start...

i mean pacquiao makes people fight at his weight etc like floyd has done in the past.

oscar at 147... cotto at 145... (for the 147 belt!!?!?!) work tht one out

both men have done it its not just floyd or its not just pacquiao.

then most of you guys forget that mayweather wont come at pacquiao like his last 3 opponents did which will make a different fight floyd is a master at what he does he aint no hatton or cotto mayweather is special like pacquio is special it will be a great fight if it happens

but people like you who talk out of there ass saying pacquio will thrash mayweather?? lol u serious how do u work tht out?

also people saying tht mayweather is ducking pacquio but its both fighters making demands not just floyd... like pacquio wanted 8 oz gloves when the understanding in vegas is tht the gloves for a welter fight in vegas is 10oz...

and 1 more thing is yes floyd asked for the fight at 154 just to see what le way he could get lol he has only fought there once and pacman was thinking of going up to tht to fight foreman so why not?????

and im pretty sure pacquio has tried to getr the fight at 145 even though the belt he holds is at 147


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Swinny46 on December 18, 2009, 09:08:36 AM
http://sports.spam.go.com/dallas/news/story?id=4752110 (http://sports.spam.go.com/dallas/news/story?id=4752110)

Well, hes determined to get the fight!

Still think if it does go ahead then LV will get it...


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: LondonRingRules on December 18, 2009, 09:54:27 AM
lol them awards are bull sh*t aint they really ... to have pacquiao above ali for a start...


-------- You not being exactly the most erudite fan on the planet, is that what you are trying to say?

It was probably the largest consensus poll ever conducted and the voters have spoken. First thing you learn in a democracy is that your guy doesn't always win the prize, and the breaking news flash is that your guy pretty much failed the acid test of comparison.

I'm just taking the results and going on a nice run of some fun with Floydy and his fans. I've been saying Floydy hasn't been a compelling, relevant fighter for some years now. He's successfully piggybacked on the backs of Gatti, Oscar, and Ricky to give him some cachet and cash to throw around in reckless abandon.

But it's a fact Jack, look it up, he wanted no part of the biggest fights of his career, the Oscar rematch and Ricky rematch, and when he came back he made a big production of sidestepping the winner of Hatton/Manny to cherrypick an aging HOFer way beyond his best weight.

Now, I don't blame Floydy for not wanting to fight Manny since he has been public about saying he won't fight an Arum fighter, but don't turn around and tell me he will fight Manny now than then blame Manny for difficulties in negotiations.

Plenty of fighters in Golden Boy stables that would sign in a heartbeat to fight Floydy and that's all he's been fighting the past few years, GB fighters.

Manny is clearly the most popular living fighter on the planet, and the 2nd most popular fighter ever by fans who bothered to vote, so he don't need Floydy. Manny's legend got secured ages ago and his fight options limited only by weightclasses he can operate in.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 18, 2009, 10:50:59 AM
lol them awards are bull sh*t aint they really ... to have pacquiao above ali for a start...

i mean pacquiao makes people fight at his weight etc like floyd has done in the past.

oscar at 147... cotto at 145... (for the 147 belt!!?!?!) work tht one out

both men have done it its not just floyd or its not just pacquiao.

then most of you guys forget that mayweather wont come at pacquiao like his last 3 opponents did which will make a different fight floyd is a master at what he does he aint no hatton or cotto mayweather is special like pacquio is special it will be a great fight if it happens

but people like you who talk out of there ass saying pacquio will thrash mayweather?? lol u serious how do u work tht out?

also people saying tht mayweather is ducking pacquio but its both fighters making demands not just floyd... like pacquio wanted 8 oz gloves when the understanding in vegas is tht the gloves for a welter fight in vegas is 10oz...

and 1 more thing is yes floyd asked for the fight at 154 just to see what le way he could get lol he has only fought there once and pacman was thinking of going up to tht to fight foreman so why not?????

and im pretty sure pacquio has tried to getr the fight at 145 even though the belt he holds is at 147

according to Leonard Ellerbe, that's untrue... " Mayweather Jr's adviser Leonard Ellerbe shot back at recent claims made by Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach. Ellerbe stated that claims coming from Team Pacquiao that Mayweather's side wants the fight to occur with over sized gloves in an over sized ring and that the fight be contested at 154 pounds and not 147 pounds (the welterweight limit) is one of the most ridiculous comments he has heard in awhile. In regards to the extra weight, bigger gloves and over sized ring, Ellerbe tells the publication:"That's one of the most ridiculous comments I've heard in quite some time".


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 18, 2009, 12:07:27 PM
Even though practically every person here wants it in Vegas, it would probably do the sport wonders if it was held in Dallas in that stadium. The full house capacity of the stadium would be a reflection to everyone who thought the sport was dead.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaff_no1 on December 18, 2009, 12:56:31 PM
Even though practically every person here wants it in Vegas, it would probably do the sport wonders if it was held in Dallas in that stadium. The full house capacity of the stadium would be a reflection to everyone who thought the sport was dead.
IQ mate totally agree


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Hitman on December 18, 2009, 03:18:14 PM
Right, if you have any news post it on the thread that i have stickied at the top of the page....

http://www.livefight.com/boxingforum/index.php/topic,6091.0.html (http://www.livefight.com/boxingforum/index.php/topic,6091.0.html)


Anything non news related goes in here, that way we have one stickied thread that holds all the info and this thread that holds all the debates and general chit chat regarding the fight

Hopefull now anything important wont get diluted in the frankly petty arguments that have littered this thread

Carry on.................


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on December 18, 2009, 03:22:43 PM
(http://js-kit.com/blob/E7lWZD54Qsrv53_Gki1PFq.jpg)

the election photo :D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Floydman on December 18, 2009, 03:27:26 PM
([url]http://js-kit.com/blob/E7lWZD54Qsrv53_Gki1PFq.jpg[/url])

the election photo :D


when fil sees it, it'll be the erection photo


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: ManilaReds on December 18, 2009, 04:13:13 PM
Blimey....just logged on and saw all this back and forth sh!te...

Have just arrived back in the UK for Christmas, returning to the Philippines on January 2nd

Attended Manny's birthday party on Thursday, unfortunately it got hijacked by Manny Villar and his political party so never really had much banter with Manny, and being one of the only two foreigners in attendance (the other was Mike Koncz) it was bloody hard work //

So unfortunately nothing new from the Philippines to report!

Fil, sort out your 'Tale of the tape' signature, you have Mannys age wrong, he is 31.....lol





Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 18, 2009, 04:28:12 PM
Blimey....just logged on and saw all this back and forth sh!te...

Have just arrived back in the UK for Christmas, returning to the Philippines on January 2nd

Attended Manny's birthday party on Thursday, unfortunately it got hijacked by Manny Villar and his political party so never really had much banter with Manny, and being one of the only two foreigners in attendance (the other was Mike Koncz) it was bloody hard work //

So unfortunately nothing new from the Philippines to report!

Fil, sort out your 'Tale of the tape' signature, you have Mannys age wrong, he is 31.....lol





was cotto in attendance manilla??


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: ManilaReds on December 18, 2009, 04:34:13 PM
was cotto in attendance manilla??

Cotto was not in attendance....like I said only two foreigners there, me and Koncz.....


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Meatball on December 18, 2009, 05:03:26 PM
Hey Reds, welcome back to sunny eng GER land  :)

Is Koncz as much of a bad smell as he seems? Obviously we only get to see what the likes of 24/7 and interviews provide but with top guys like Freddie and Alex publicly slating him I cant help but think the guy is a leach. He sticks to Manny like shit to a blanket but he still about and at Manny's b/day bash so Manny must like him???


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 18, 2009, 05:09:54 PM
([url]http://js-kit.com/blob/E7lWZD54Qsrv53_Gki1PFq.jpg[/url])

the election photo :D



hahahhahaahha i died with laughter on that one !! The earings, button top, hair style fits him well.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: LondonRingRules on December 18, 2009, 06:56:00 PM
Even though practically every person here wants it in Vegas, it would probably do the sport wonders if it was held in Dallas in that stadium. The full house capacity of the stadium would be a reflection to everyone who thought the sport was dead.


------- Used to be a big Cowboys fan until that worm Jughaid Jones got the franchise and dumped on everything holy about it.

Gotta give credit though, Jones has proven to make Don King look like the piffling pipsqueak he really is by using a half billion local taxpayers' dollars to build a billion dollar stadium that is the absolute best in the world:

(http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/DallasCowboys/newfront.jpg)

I can guarantee 100,000+ screaming fans in what truly could set a new standard for mega events. No, Dallas don't have the casinos, but the stadium designed as one gigantic tailgate party with anything else under the sun available not to mention the dozens of private parties to be staged in the outskirts. Fans can phone or text in their bets if they can't get away from their habits, what, you think all they do in Dallas/FortWorth is drink milk and go to church?

Once more, everyone, including the nosebleed seats will see the fights better than any other venue because of the four 70' tall panoramic big screens. Just to see the hundred fights break out in the stadium will be worth the price of admission alone.

No other facility comes close, and I say this holding no respect Jones as a man.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaimie77 on December 18, 2009, 07:03:14 PM
^^^ Thats looks one impressive stadium !!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 18, 2009, 07:03:28 PM
------- Used to be a big Cowboys fan until that worm Jughaid Jones got the franchise and dumped on everything holy about it.

Gotta give credit though, Jones has proven to make Don King look like the piffling pipsqueak he really is by using a half billion local taxpayers' dollars to build a billion dollar stadium that is the absolute best in the world:

([url]http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/DallasCowboys/newfront.jpg[/url])

I can guarantee 100,000+ screaming fans in what truly could set a new standard for mega events. No, Dallas don't have the casinos, but the stadium designed as one gigantic tailgate party with anything else under the sun available not to mention the dozens of private parties to be staged in the outskirts. Fans can phone or text in their bets if they can't get away from their habits, what, you think all they do in Dallas/FortWorth is drink milk and go to church?

Once more, everyone, including the nosebleed seats will see the fights better than any other venue because of the four 70' tall panoramic big screens. Just to see the hundred fights break out in the stadium will be worth the price of admission alone.

No other facility comes close, and I say this holding no respect Jones as a man.


anything that gives me a better chance of getting a ticket i'll go with!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 18, 2009, 07:07:35 PM
that place filled with fans would give a whole new meaning to nerves for a fighter.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 18, 2009, 07:19:12 PM
i think the smaller arenas are more intimating . unless they put up a banner saying WELCOME TO HELL and start setting of flares at the fighter they dont like ;)

Also bad pre fights and the back arent even watching which is much harder in the mgm were ever punch can be felt pretty much all the way around.

Dallas may be the right place due to stadium size but for me the buzz will be in vegas ...dallas will feel like a carnival/celebration were as vegas will feel like FIGHT CITY.

that place filled with fans would give a whole new meaning to nerves for a fighter.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: brocktonbomber on December 19, 2009, 12:47:32 AM
anything that gives me a better chance of getting a ticket i'll go with!
Razz, if it's held in Cowboys Stadium, anyone who wants to go will be able to. It won't sell out and I'd guess maybe 60,000 show up. I went to a basketball game in a football stadium once and it was horrible. Boxing would be just as bad or worse. Only about 10,000 people would have a worthwhile view of the fight itself and everyone else would just be watching on JerryVision. Granted it's the world's largest HDTV, but I can't get excited about watching it that way. I understand some people just have to be there, even if there is a Dallas suburb and that's cool. But, if I'm gonna watch it on somebody's TV, I'd just assume have a party with friends and do the PPV.

Of course, we all know this won't happen. So, see you guys in Vegas ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Alba on December 19, 2009, 01:14:20 PM
im glad this is getting back on topic


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 19, 2009, 02:20:18 PM
Right, if you have any news post it on the thread that i have stickied at the top of the page....

[url]http://www.livefight.com/boxingforum/index.php/topic,6091.0.html[/url] ([url]http://www.livefight.com/boxingforum/index.php/topic,6091.0.html[/url])


Anything non news related goes in here, that way we have one stickied thread that holds all the info and this thread that holds all the debates and general chit chat regarding the fight

Hopefull now anything important wont get diluted in the frankly petty arguments that have littered this thread

Carry on.................


Very good idea, thanks for that.  Hope folk stick with the plan now.   ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Stevie J on December 19, 2009, 02:32:58 PM
Great shot of the stadium....

I would be very tempted if it was Dallas, at least you have an outside chance of getting a cheaper ticket.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gooner on December 19, 2009, 02:41:18 PM
How hard do people think it will be to get tickets?  Did anyone go to Mayweather V ODLH and if so was it difficult to get tickets?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Faulks on December 19, 2009, 04:01:06 PM
How hard do people think it will be to get tickets?  Did anyone go to Mayweather V ODLH and if so was it difficult to get tickets?


Mate its the fight of the decade it wont be easil.. That being said wheres there a will theres a way


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gooner on December 19, 2009, 04:07:37 PM

Mate its the fight of the decade it wont be easil.. That being said wheres there a will theres a way

That's what i'm thinking.  I'm gonna dedicate the next 2 months of my life to getting tickets.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 20, 2009, 03:34:24 PM
Seeing as this has drifted back on topic has there still been no news or do we know when to expect any? Somebody mentioned today as the day last week is that still true?
That pic of the Dallas stadium is amazing, pisses all over wembley with its daft arch.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaimie77 on December 20, 2009, 03:47:10 PM
Seeing as this has drifted back on topic has there still been no news or do we know when to expect any? Somebody mentioned today as the day last week is that still true?
That pic of the Dallas stadium is amazing, pisses all over wembley with its daft arch.

There is a thread stickyed at the top of the Worldwide Boxing Discussion page Aaron which is for the fight developments, you may of missed it ??


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 20, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
There is a thread stickyed at the top of the Worldwide Boxing Discussion page Aaron which is for the fight developments, you may of missed it ??

I did actually forget about that lol ta mate.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DLINKLA on December 20, 2009, 04:52:18 PM
Are Punch promotions (Box Office) likley to get any tickets for this fight , they sem to have had tickets from GBP for the others???


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: TC on December 20, 2009, 11:41:17 PM

Mate its the fight of the decade it wont be easil.. That being said wheres there a will theres a way

Or maybe a few extra hundred $$$$$?  ;D

Good luck all of you who are going. Will be happy to sit out this scrummage for tickets for once.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 21, 2009, 01:36:10 AM
Are Punch promotions (Box Office) likley to get any tickets for this fight , they sem to have had tickets from GBP for the others???

NO


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: blondebecci on December 21, 2009, 02:19:35 AM
GOOD


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Red on December 21, 2009, 12:26:47 PM
http://www.livefight.com/news.php?news_id=710&y=2009&m=12 (http://www.livefight.com/news.php?news_id=710&y=2009&m=12)

21.12.09

WBC welterweight champion Andre Berto believes that Manny Pacquiao will give Floyd Mayweather a very hard time in their March showdown and that Floyd seems to have trouble fighting southpaws.

"I believe Manny will definitely give him a hard time. Manny Pacquiao is so awkward and so relentless and I think that’s something that Floyd has never faced before and in the past, it looks like Floyd has probably had a little trouble when it comes to southpaws" Berto told OnTheRopes radio.

But the champion, who is set to defend against Shane Mosely in the new year, believes that Mayweather can also cause problems for Manny with his jab.

"(When)Manny Pacquiao was fighting Cotto, I saw within the first round that Cotto was able to control him with the jab. And I can see Mayweather throwing a jab like that all night."

Berto has also discussed his potential involvement with Manny's training camp for the Mayweather fight, but disclosed he is only concentrating on his Mosely fight right now.

"Me and Manny are really good friends, but all of my focus is on the fight January." said Berto.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 21, 2009, 12:35:02 PM

Mate its the fight of the decade it wont be easil.. That being said wheres there a will theres a way

that's my attitude, willing to go quite a bit over the odds for a ticket and for the fight in general


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 21, 2009, 01:23:26 PM
NO

Do you work for 90 minutes?

If not where did you get this info?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: deck on December 21, 2009, 01:49:06 PM
Do you work for 90 minutes?

If not where did you get this info?
I can't remember 100% but I think ManilaRad may have said that they won't be getting tickets for this one Gibbo. That's probably where he got the info. It should be there somewhere if you do a search.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 21, 2009, 01:55:13 PM
I can't remember 100% but I think ManilaRad may have said that they won't be getting tickets for this one Gibbo. That's probably where he got the info. It should be there somewhere if you do a search.

cant see that in his posts mate


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: deck on December 21, 2009, 02:00:52 PM
cant see that in his posts mate

I can 100% GUARANTEE that they won't get any tickets from TOP RANK......

That's not definitive and not to say they can't get any but i just remembered something in the back of my mind about it that Manila had posted.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 21, 2009, 04:07:31 PM
Just done my sums and im reckoning a ticket on the blackmarket is going to be $2000 :-[

$1000  = $2500 + Fees = 1665
$750   = $2000  + Fees = 1335
$500   = $1500 + Fees = 1010
$300   = $1000 + Fees = £690  :-[
$150   = $500   + Fees = £370

Ontop of them if you pay on a uk card ur likely to get hammered even more on the exchange rate. if i thought i could get a $150 ticket i wouldnt mind paying the £370 this time , but the jump is over £300

Come on the £ uve got 2 weeks probably


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 21, 2009, 04:13:04 PM
Just done my sums and im reckoning a ticket on the blackmarket is going to be $2000 :-[

$1000  = $2500 + Fees = 1665
$750   = $2000  + Fees = 1335
$500   = $1500 + Fees = 1010
$300   = $1000 + Fees = £690  :-[
$150   = $500   + Fees = £370

Ontop of them if you pay on a uk card ur likely to get hammered even more on the exchange rate. if i thought i could get a $150 ticket i wouldnt mind paying the £370 this time , but the jump is over £300

Come on the £ uve got 2 weeks probably

that is a proper bitch, i just hope they're not gonna be as harsh with the ticket prices as 1st suggested


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 21, 2009, 04:16:54 PM
I cant say for certain but i would think so

Mayweather vs De la Hoya was 2000, 1500, 1000, 750 & 350 i think  and even thats taxing . Also La times worked the mgm out at the $2500 prices and it came to 32m

that is a proper bitch, i just hope they're not gonna be as harsh with the ticket prices as 1st suggested


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jaimie77 on December 21, 2009, 04:25:55 PM
Just done my sums and im reckoning a ticket on the blackmarket is going to be $2000 :-[

$1000  = $2500 + Fees = 1665
$750   = $2000  + Fees = 1335
$500   = $1500 + Fees = 1010
$300   = $1000 + Fees = £690  :-[
$150   = $500   + Fees = £370

Ontop of them if you pay on a uk card ur likely to get hammered even more on the exchange rate. if i thought i could get a $150 ticket i wouldnt mind paying the £370 this time , but the jump is over £300

Come on the £ uve got 2 weeks probably

Wasnt there a post that had Bob Arum saying the cheapest ticket will be $500 ?? Im sure i remember that being said ??


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 21, 2009, 04:31:15 PM
Just done my sums and im reckoning a ticket on the blackmarket is going to be $2000 :-[

$1000  = $2500 + Fees = 1665
$750   = $2000  + Fees = 1335
$500   = $1500 + Fees = 1010
$300   = $1000 + Fees = £690  :-[
$150   = $500   + Fees = £370

Ontop of them if you pay on a uk card ur likely to get hammered even more on the exchange rate. if i thought i could get a $150 ticket i wouldnt mind paying the £370 this time , but the jump is over £300

Come on the £ uve got 2 weeks probably

I just ordered my spending money and $1,500 turned out to be £979.50 from my bank. I reckon it will get better in 2010 but not before March.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 21, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
There was mate

Wasnt there a post that had Bob Arum saying the cheapest ticket will be $500 ?? Im sure i remember that being said ??



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 21, 2009, 04:36:09 PM
Yep so my sums are right as you havent got the tickemaster fee

Also ive got a good card with my bank which exchanges £ into $ without a fee or its very minimal but some people might get stung for anywere between 2-10% i think which on some tickets will be huge
I just ordered my spending money and $1,500 turned out to be £979.50 from my bank. I reckon it will get better in 2010 but not before March.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 21, 2009, 07:26:47 PM
Here's a good article but one that many on this forum will end up disagreeing with but I think it makes a bit of sense:



Here is the latest on the proposed March 13th HBO Pay-Per-View TV event, Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao, in regards to a venue. It appears that MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada may have defeated the 1.2 billion dollar state of the art facility, the Dallas Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas to host the mega event.

Two different media publications, AOL Fanhouse and the Grand Rapids Press, each are reporting that their own "unnamed" source that is close to the negotiations confirmed on Saturday that the MGM Grand has won the rights to host the event.
As of now, there still is no official word to back the claims by both publications, and personally, I hope they are wrong (even though I doubt they are).

If the MGM Grand truly is the hosting site, then fans will once again lose out. High ticket prices and very limited amounts of tickets that true fans will be allowed to purchase... I'll say this, if you were planing on watching this epic event live and the MGM Grand is hosting it.... forget about it! Save your money and time! What the Casinos in Las Vegas eat up for their "high rollers" in boxing tickets, will only leave a crumb or two for the real fans... and those small insignificant crappy seats that fans will be offered will be outrageous in price.

The MGM Grand holds just shy of over 17,000 seats. The seating capacity of the Dallas Cowboys Stadium on the other hand holds over a whopping 110,000! (Folks, do we really need to do the math here?) And every seat in the Cowboys Stadium has a great view of the action, especially with its gigantic center hung high-definition (HDTV 1080p) television screen. Folks, this massive huge screen TV is he largest in the world, popularly known as the "JerryTron" (after Cowboys owner Jerry Jones). The TV is a whopping 160-by-72-foot (49 by 22 m), 11,520-square-foot (1,070 m2).

Honestly, I hope the reports are wrong...but it looks increasingly like the MGM Grand will be the hosting site. In closing, I repeat... Do yourself a favor, if the MGM Grand in Las Vegas is the hosting site... purchase the fight on Pay-Per-View and refrain from being wiped out by the high price of Las Vegas. Save your money.


http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz122109.htm (http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz122109.htm)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 21, 2009, 07:31:59 PM
Here's a good article but one that many on this forum will end up disagreeing with but I think it makes a bit of sense:



Here is the latest on the proposed March 13th HBO Pay-Per-View TV event, Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Manny Pacquiao, in regards to a venue. It appears that MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Nevada may have defeated the 1.2 billion dollar state of the art facility, the Dallas Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas to host the mega event.

Two different media publications, AOL Fanhouse and the Grand Rapids Press, each are reporting that their own "unnamed" source that is close to the negotiations confirmed on Saturday that the MGM Grand has won the rights to host the event.
As of now, there still is no official word to back the claims by both publications, and personally, I hope they are wrong (even though I doubt they are).

If the MGM Grand truly is the hosting site, then fans will once again lose out. High ticket prices and very limited amounts of tickets that true fans will be allowed to purchase... I'll say this, if you were planing on watching this epic event live and the MGM Grand is hosting it.... forget about it! Save your money and time! What the Casinos in Las Vegas eat up for their "high rollers" in boxing tickets, will only leave a crumb or two for the real fans... and those small insignificant crappy seats that fans will be offered will be outrageous in price.

The MGM Grand holds just shy of over 17,000 seats. The seating capacity of the Dallas Cowboys Stadium on the other hand holds over a whopping 110,000! (Folks, do we really need to do the math here?) And every seat in the Cowboys Stadium has a great view of the action, especially with its gigantic center hung high-definition (HDTV 1080p) television screen. Folks, this massive huge screen TV is he largest in the world, popularly known as the "JerryTron" (after Cowboys owner Jerry Jones). The TV is a whopping 160-by-72-foot (49 by 22 m), 11,520-square-foot (1,070 m2).

Honestly, I hope the reports are wrong...but it looks increasingly like the MGM Grand will be the hosting site. In closing, I repeat... Do yourself a favor, if the MGM Grand in Las Vegas is the hosting site... purchase the fight on Pay-Per-View and refrain from being wiped out by the high price of Las Vegas. Save your money.


[url]http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz122109.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz122109.htm[/url])


it is a great article, obviously chances of getting a ticket would be almost 100% and not just tickets but flight and accomodation would be so much cheaper aswell, on the other hand you can't beat Vegas for a fight week, can imagine there being a lot more to do in Vegas than Texas and also a much better atmosphere, like every venue though there's pros and cons, good article


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Greb on December 21, 2009, 07:35:31 PM
Geno McGahee of Ringside Report writes that Floyd Mayweather has threatened to pull out of the bout against Manny Pacquiao, tentatively scheduled for March 13th, because of differences in weight allowance.

According to a source very close to the situation, Floyd Mayweather, JR., has threatened to pull out of the March showdown with Manny Pacquiao over a weight issue. Apparently the weight of the meeting has been established, but the wiggle room that Floyd allegedly wants is being contested by Team Pacquiao. In his bout with Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd came in heavy and paid for it financially, but others contend that Marquez paid for it in the ring, losing badly. Pacquiao does not want to face a fighter a division or so heavier than he is and has rightfully protested.



With the Manny Pacquiao bout in limbo, other options have been mentioned but these appear to be negotiation tactics. Reportedly, Mayweather’s camp has suggested that an in between bout would take place in March against a much lesser foe, perhaps a Yuri Foreman or Matthew Hatton and after that, should Pacquiao not accept the terms, a bout with the winner of the Shane Mosley – Andre Berto fight could be in the wings.



Although other options have been mentioned, expect this fight to stay on course and occur. There is far too much money involved and they have agreed on the most important specifics…the cash divide. Now we are in the bickering stage of the negotiations and expect more and more little things blown out of proportion and turned into big deals.

------------------------

So now whats the problem? The agreed weight was 147 right? After all its for the welter weight title. Now the details were noticeably absent from the article but I would venture to say they are concerned with Floyds weight the night of the fight. I was sceptical that this fight would ever get done for a variety of different reasons and this just confirms my scepticism.





Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Jambonhead on December 21, 2009, 09:28:51 PM
really annoying how pacmans camp are still going on about weight now (if they are)

pacman is a legit 147 fighter now, not like when he fought Oscar.

He really is a welter now hes grown into the weight and is strong at it. In fact id go as far to say as he would have to diet/drain to get to 140 now.

quite frankly im getting bored of the negotiations now, just like hatton-pacman this will prolly go on till february and the fight will be delayed till november time.

Going to switch off from reading the hype/latest articles until it is offcially announced


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Marks1 on December 21, 2009, 09:44:41 PM
Geno McGahee of Ringside Report writes that Floyd Mayweather has threatened to pull out of the bout against Manny Pacquiao, tentatively scheduled for March 13th, because of differences in weight allowance.

According to a source very close to the situation, Floyd Mayweather, JR., has threatened to pull out of the March showdown with Manny Pacquiao over a weight issue. Apparently the weight of the meeting has been established, but the wiggle room that Floyd allegedly wants is being contested by Team Pacquiao. In his bout with Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd came in heavy and paid for it financially, but others contend that Marquez paid for it in the ring, losing badly. Pacquiao does not want to face a fighter a division or so heavier than he is and has rightfully protested.



With the Manny Pacquiao bout in limbo, other options have been mentioned but these appear to be negotiation tactics. Reportedly, Mayweather’s camp has suggested that an in between bout would take place in March against a much lesser foe, perhaps a Yuri Foreman or Matthew Hatton and after that, should Pacquiao not accept the terms, a bout with the winner of the Shane Mosley – Andre Berto fight could be in the wings.



Although other options have been mentioned, expect this fight to stay on course and occur. There is far too much money involved and they have agreed on the most important specifics…the cash divide. Now we are in the bickering stage of the negotiations and expect more and more little things blown out of proportion and turned into big deals.

------------------------

So now whats the problem? The agreed weight was 147 right? After all its for the welter weight title. Now the details were noticeably absent from the article but I would venture to say they are concerned with Floyds weight the night of the fight. I was sceptical that this fight would ever get done for a variety of different reasons and this just confirms my scepticism.





Isn't that an old article? Sure i have already seen it.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 21, 2009, 09:46:16 PM
really annoying how pacmans camp are still going on about weight now (if they are)

pacman is a legit 147 fighter now, not like when he fought Oscar.

He really is a welter now hes grown into the weight and is strong at it. In fact id go as far to say as he would have to diet/drain to get to 140 now.

quite frankly im getting bored of the negotiations now, just like hatton-pacman this will prolly go on till february and the fight will be delayed till november time.

Going to switch off from reading the hype/latest articles until it is offcially announced

You know what i think it is ? Its all ROACH and trying to get the most out of it as he can and wants his boxer to get so much advantage , its getting real frustrating .

I truly feel PACMAN wants to fight at any weight but i just have a hunch ROACH is pulling out all the stops just to make MAYWEATHER JR not take this fight.

RULES IN VEGAS = 10 oz gloves at welter  , already PACMAN CAMP ( Roach ) wants 8oz gloves ....
Both agreed at 147 , so whats the problem with the weight now ?

I just with the promoters would just follow the rules and stop asking others on how to favor their fighters.

50 /5 0 deal with the money = set  
vegas for welter its 10oz gloves = set
welter weight fight is from 140 to 147 = set

MAKE IT HAPPEN !!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Greb on December 21, 2009, 09:54:56 PM
Isn't that an old article? Sure i have already seen it.



December 16th

http://www.ringsidereport.com/rsr/news.php (http://www.ringsidereport.com/rsr/news.php)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 21, 2009, 10:09:06 PM
That's not definitive and not to say they can't get any but i just remembered something in the back of my mind about it that Manila had posted.

Thats a shame then because regardless what some peoples opinions are, there were many happy fans who purchased from them in the past.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 21, 2009, 10:49:33 PM
Ive got to admit that i didnt like them i loved them

on one of the fights they issued me 4 $750 tickets but i really wanted 8* $300 , i emailed them and they swapped them. ticketmaster would have told me to get knotted

Shame it is

Thats a shame then because regardless what some peoples opinions are, there were many happy fans who purchased from them in the past.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 21, 2009, 10:53:42 PM
Thats a shame then because regardless what some peoples opinions are, there were many happy fans who purchased from them in the past.

15 tickets blocked together,  plus another 7 added on after the initial booking for Pac v Cotto  PP couldn't have done a better job for us lot.
Yes there was a mark up they are not a charity,  tickets delivered in good time beforehand aswell.
Great service once again, my choice to buy at the price offered  I was happy.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: deck on December 21, 2009, 10:59:50 PM
Thats a shame then because regardless what some peoples opinions are, there were many happy fans who purchased from them in the past.
Yeah you are right Gibbo. I've found the lads to be really helpful when I've dealt with them. It would be nice to see them getting tickets to alot of the US fights for fans over here rather than ticketmaster.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 21, 2009, 11:18:07 PM
You know what i think it is ? Its all ROACH and trying to get the most out of it as he can and wants his boxer to get so much advantage , its getting real frustrating .

I truly feel PACMAN wants to fight at any weight but i just have a hunch ROACH is pulling out all the stops just to make MAYWEATHER JR not take this fight.

RULES IN VEGAS = 10 oz gloves at welter  , already PACMAN CAMP ( Roach ) wants 8oz gloves ....
Both agreed at 147 , so whats the problem with the weight now ?

I just with the promoters would just follow the rules and stop asking others on how to favor their fighters.

50 /5 0 deal with the money = set  
vegas for welter its 10oz gloves = set
welter weight fight is from 140 to 147 = set

MAKE IT HAPPEN !!!

I don't want to get into a debate but I feel Floyd is getting a taste of his own medicine here as he has seeked physical advantages in his past fights and now he's met his match in that respect.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 21, 2009, 11:25:46 PM
Thats a shame then because regardless what some peoples opinions are, there were many happy fans who purchased from them in the past.

The people I know frown upon them for the mark up they put on the tickets.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 21, 2009, 11:32:23 PM
The people I know frown upon them for the mark up they put on the tickets.

What a shame. They dont have to buy them and the mark up isnt that much anyway.

Do you expect a ticket company to sell tickets at face value?

Do ticket Master?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 21, 2009, 11:42:55 PM
What a shame. They dont have to buy them and the mark up isnt that much anyway.

Do you expect a ticket company to sell tickets at face value?

Do ticket Master?

Yeah razorgator sold me $150 tickets for $595 + fees,  Ricky v Pac.   I panicked and double booked  >:(

Found a nice guy on ebay who sold me 2 x $300 tickets for $2200,  Ricky v FMJ.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 21, 2009, 11:47:04 PM
I don't want to get into a debate but I feel Floyd is getting a taste of his own medicine here as he has seeked physical advantages in his past fights and now he's met his match in that respect.

ya lets not get into debate here skav since mayweather jr had to wear small gloves , and not his choice brand gloves against the MUCH BIGGER DLH AT 154.

I cant beleive they made floyd wear REYES gloves .


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 21, 2009, 11:49:13 PM
Yeah i agree ... theres normally a booking fee , im not sure if punches booking fee is more than ticketmaster but its close enough from previous experience which makes me feel like ive purchased tickets COST PRICE just like ticketmaster

there much better than nothing

What a shame. They dont have to buy them and the mark up isnt that much anyway.

Do you expect a ticket company to sell tickets at face value?

Do ticket Master?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 21, 2009, 11:57:35 PM
Yeah i agree ... theres normally a booking fee , im not sure if punches booking fee is more than ticketmaster but its close enough from previous experience which makes me feel like ive purchased tickets COST PRICE just like ticketmaster

there much better than nothing


The biggest people to blame in all the las vegas boxing tickets is the promoters as explained in steve kims write up, they sell them straight to agencies without the fans even getting first shout, thats all wrong in my eyes. not the companies that get them and then sell for a profit. If its legal then why not?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 22, 2009, 08:20:25 AM
Geno McGahee of Ringside Report writes that Floyd Mayweather has threatened to pull out of the bout against Manny Pacquiao, tentatively scheduled for March 13th, because of differences in weight allowance.

According to a source very close to the situation, Floyd Mayweather, JR., has threatened to pull out of the March showdown with Manny Pacquiao over a weight issue. Apparently the weight of the meeting has been established, but the wiggle room that Floyd allegedly wants is being contested by Team Pacquiao. In his bout with Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd came in heavy and paid for it financially, but others contend that Marquez paid for it in the ring, losing badly. Pacquiao does not want to face a fighter a division or so heavier than he is and has rightfully protested.



With the Manny Pacquiao bout in limbo, other options have been mentioned but these appear to be negotiation tactics. Reportedly, Mayweather’s camp has suggested that an in between bout would take place in March against a much lesser foe, perhaps a Yuri Foreman or Matthew Hatton and after that, should Pacquiao not accept the terms, a bout with the winner of the Shane Mosley – Andre Berto fight could be in the wings.



Although other options have been mentioned, expect this fight to stay on course and occur. There is far too much money involved and they have agreed on the most important specifics…the cash divide. Now we are in the bickering stage of the negotiations and expect more and more little things blown out of proportion and turned into big deals.

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So now whats the problem? The agreed weight was 147 right? After all its for the welter weight title. Now the details were noticeably absent from the article but I would venture to say they are concerned with Floyds weight the night of the fight. I was sceptical that this fight would ever get done for a variety of different reasons and this just confirms my scepticism.





this has already been gone over several times.. it's an internet rumor according to Leonard Ellerbe.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 22, 2009, 09:30:16 AM
The biggest people to blame in all the las vegas boxing tickets is the promoters as explained in steve kims write up, they sell them straight to agencies without the fans even getting first shout, thats all wrong in my eyes. not the companies that get them and then sell for a profit. If its legal then why not?

If Punch did get any tickets for this one, folk would be falling over themselves to buy from them, make no mistake.  The mark-up they use, and exchange rate they apply, is often a little on the high side, but as folks on here have said, you can negotiate with them, add more to your block booking etc. etc.  That's a service you won't get anywhere else so it's really a case of getting what you pay for.  I have already Emailed them and asked if they are likely to get tickets, but they didn't reply  -  maybe got overlooked or something.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: 7777 on December 22, 2009, 10:09:54 AM
Can someone post a quick update

Is is signed? Venue? Date? Weight? Other issues etc. 53 pages man!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: MadMariner on December 22, 2009, 10:18:45 AM
Can someone post a quick update

Is is signed? Venue? Date? Weight? Other issues etc. 53 pages man!

Sticky pinned at top,  not signed yet.  All developments to be posted in there and no spam  :)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Chris on December 22, 2009, 10:32:37 AM
The people I know frown upon them for the mark up they put on the tickets.

It's understandable them charging those fees, they source the tickets to sell them to UK customers, which is great for UK customers, anyone would add fees in the same way if it was their job.

If the fees seem excessive then u have to bear in mind what for them is an acceptable fee to make it worth their while and pay their wages, I'd charge the same fees if it was me, like someone else said - they're not a charity.

Companies like Ticketmaster can afford to charge lower fees because of the volume of tickets they sell, 90 Minutes/Punch are a much smaller company so have to charge higher fees to survive, it's the same in any business.

I bet people would be happy to pay their fees if they can't get a ticket from any other source.   


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 22, 2009, 10:48:45 AM
The way i look at it is for the convenience it saves you then its worth the extra money, it totally depends also on how much you want to be at a fight.
I was never going to go to vegas for the first time with Rick fighting Floyd and not have a ticket, so i decided to pay £600 each for what turned out to be 2 $600 tickets so with the exchange rate of the time i had roughley paid double of what my ticket are supposed to be worth.
If i had the money then for this fight also i would pay basically whatever is requiered to get a ticket, once i was in the arena etc i did not give a toss about how much it cost even though each trip has broke me.
I think the access we get to tickets at fights like these which is extremely limmited is the biggest scam, if i knew i would easily get tickets i would happily pay more but the fact that the lowest priced ones are almost gone before the pre-sales should be illegal.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 22, 2009, 01:08:57 PM
It's no skin off my back, I don't get my tickets from Punch, I have a contact for mine, I am just relaying what others have thought about them.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 22, 2009, 01:27:53 PM
It's no skin off my back, I don't get my tickets from Punch, I have a contact for mine, I am just relaying what others have thought about them.

you do that quite often though dont you, make a comment that will get a reaction and then dont actually get involved when people question you


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DLINKLA on December 22, 2009, 01:31:46 PM
you do that quite often though dont you, make a comment that will get a reaction and then dont actually get involved when people question you


I dont care what punch charge its always my decision weather I buy or not.  However if punch do get tickets for this fight I will be in the q to buy


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 22, 2009, 02:05:37 PM
you do that quite often though dont you, make a comment that will get a reaction and then dont actually get involved when people question you

Nothing to get involved in. I was being honest in what people told me of their opinions of PP but I've never bought tickets from them. What would you like me to say in response to your post? Everyone else gave their opinions and likes them. Nothing more to say. I'm not going to tell everyone not to buy from them if they have been happy in purchasing tickets from them in the past if that gets them an entry in the fight and they are happy to pay the mark up. I saw nobody questioning me, just opinions.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: 7777 on December 22, 2009, 03:42:40 PM
Sticky pinned at top,  not signed yet.  All developments to be posted in there and no spam  :)

IQ Ann Thanks


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: ManilaReds on December 22, 2009, 03:50:21 PM
I can 100% guarantee that this Punch Promotions outfit will NOT get any tickets from TOP RANK for any fight where Manny Pacquiao is involved

Why the hell should they?

Some of you guys on here would be disgusted if you knew what goes on behind the scenes with regard ticket allocations and how they get carved up



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 22, 2009, 04:01:10 PM
I can 100% guarantee that this Punch Promotions outfit will NOT get any tickets from TOP RANK for any fight where Manny Pacquiao is involved

Why the hell should they?

Some of you guys on here would be disgusted if you knew what goes on behind the scenes with regard ticket allocations and how they get carved up



Dont think anyone was saying they should get any mate, the debate is why people cry over a mark up here and there


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: ManilaReds on December 22, 2009, 04:41:34 PM
Dont think anyone was saying they should get any mate, the debate is why people cry over a mark up here and there

Whatever way you dress it up, adding a mark up to a ticket = touting/scalping

I don't want to start slinging mud, but remember, the promoters work for the boxer, not the other way round

Your debate is based on the experience of obtaining tickets for previous Hatton bouts, I'm not privy to his relationship with GBP, none of my business, but I do know how it works for Manny, and believe me he totally controls the ticket distribution on his side (TOP RANK)





Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 22, 2009, 04:52:37 PM
Do you think there will be another top rank presale manilla ?

Whatever way you dress it up, adding a mark up to a ticket = touting/scalping

I don't want to start slinging mud, but remember, the promoters work for the boxer, not the other way round

Your debate is based on the experience of obtaining tickets for previous Hatton bouts, I'm not privy to his relationship with GBP, none of my business, but I do know how it works for Manny, and believe me he totally controls the ticket distribution on his side (TOP RANK)






Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 22, 2009, 04:57:29 PM
Whatever way you dress it up, adding a mark up to a ticket = touting/scalping

I don't want to start slinging mud, but remember, the promoters work for the boxer, not the other way round

Your debate is based on the experience of obtaining tickets for previous Hatton bouts, I'm not privy to his relationship with GBP, none of my business, but I do know how it works for Manny, and believe me he totally controls the ticket distribution on his side (TOP RANK)


So does Manny agree to Razorgator and the likes getting these tickets? If not how the heck do they seem to get hold of them?

Its not also as simple as adding a mark up is touting/scalping tho is it?

If you are a ticket company and you bought a ticket which was $150.00 dollars when the exchange rate was $1.50 to the pound then that has cost you £100.00 to buy from the promoter. Would you then sell the said ticket for £75.00 if the exchange rate had changed to $2.00 to the pound?

This is how it has always been explained to us that the tickets are purchased in US dollars and therefore when sold to the UK market they need to have a buffer in the exchange rate to avoid any shortfalls.

Im curious about this now you mention it, are you saying that manny doesnt agree to any ticket agencies getting tickets? if so then kudos to him for taking that stance


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: stephen thompson on December 22, 2009, 05:01:31 PM
didn't punch promotions get an allocation for pacquiao v cotto ???

 manila, im not sure its fair to label punch a tout. they charge processing fees as does ticketmaster. I think the use 'mark up' is taken out of context as they do not inflate the price by anymore than 'official' ticket outlets.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: ManilaReds on December 22, 2009, 06:20:30 PM
So does Manny agree to Razorgator and the likes getting these tickets? If not how the heck do they seem to get hold of them?

No he doesn't, and these tickets will NOT have come from TOP RANK allocation...I would lay the blame on this to either MGM or the other promotional outfit, i.e GBP

Its not also as simple as adding a mark up is touting/scalping tho is it?

If you are a ticket company and you bought a ticket which was $150.00 dollars when the exchange rate was $1.50 to the pound then that has cost you £100.00 to buy from the promoter. Would you then sell the said ticket for £75.00 if the exchange rate had changed to $2.00 to the pound?

This is how it has always been explained to us that the tickets are purchased in US dollars and therefore when sold to the UK market they need to have a buffer in the exchange rate to avoid any shortfalls.

I agree with the currency fluctuation issue, but from my discussions with guys from this forum at the Cotto fight the mark up that this agency add appears to be on the generous side! I find it strange why Punch can't smply charge you in US dollars, I usually buy between 60 to 100 tickets for Mannys fights, I live in the Philippines and I pay for them in US dollars, not peso. Why can't Punch do the same?

Im curious about this now you mention it, are you saying that manny doesnt agree to any ticket agencies getting tickets? if so then kudos to him for taking that stance

Yes, that is what I am saying and I have seen it first hand what happens when people have tried to do this from the Top Rank allocation which is within his remit


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: ManilaReds on December 22, 2009, 06:21:27 PM
Do you think there will be another top rank presale manilla ?


No mate, not for this fight


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 22, 2009, 07:13:04 PM
didn't punch promotions get an allocation for pacquiao v cotto ???

 manila, im not sure its fair to label punch a tout. they charge processing fees as does ticketmaster. I think the use 'mark up' is taken out of context as they do not inflate the price by anymore than 'official' ticket outlets.

That's what I was thinking.  I do believe Punch Promotions add more than the likes of Ticketmaster, but as shown, they give a better service as well so fair play.  And their mark-up is not bordering on the ridiculous like some others.  Maybe they will get some for this fight, like they did for the last one, wherever they source them from.  I would have thought it almost impossible for the boxers themselves to fully restrict the ticket distribution, and I think they have enough to do without all that!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 22, 2009, 07:15:35 PM
22
Dec
2009 Pacman demands


By Nick Giongco

For fear of being outsmarted by Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao, by way of his lawyer Franklin Gacal, said in a text message late Tuesday night in the Philippines that the Filipino fighter will be “demanding a penalty of $10 million per pound or a fraction thereof over and above 147 lbs during the weighin” in relation to the March 13, 2010 fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Gacal, however, made it clear that the “penalty applies to both fighters”, meaning if Pacquiao fails to make weight, he will also be forced to cough out the same amount.

Against Juan Manuel Marquez last September, Mayweather was compelled to pay Marquez a total of $600,000 for coming in at 146 lbs. The agreed weight was 144 lbs. Mayweather went on to beat the overpowered Mexican on a lopsided 12-round decision. It is unclear if Mayweather will agree to what appears to be an over-the-top demand by Team Pacquiao. Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions are staging the fight and a formal annoucement is being awaited anytime this week. Both fighters are guaranteed a purse of $25 million each and their total earnings can go up to as high as $40 million apiece.

Link: http://www.fightnews.com/?p=33711 (http://www.fightnews.com/?p=33711)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 22, 2009, 07:16:29 PM
Cheers mate

No mate, not for this fight


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: ManilaReds on December 22, 2009, 08:07:41 PM
22
Dec
2009 Pacman demands


By Nick Giongco

For fear of being outsmarted by Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao, by way of his lawyer Franklin Gacal, said in a text message late Tuesday night in the Philippines that the Filipino fighter will be “demanding a penalty of $10 million per pound or a fraction thereof over and above 147 lbs during the weighin” in relation to the March 13, 2010 fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Gacal, however, made it clear that the “penalty applies to both fighters”, meaning if Pacquiao fails to make weight, he will also be forced to cough out the same amount.

Against Juan Manuel Marquez last September, Mayweather was compelled to pay Marquez a total of $600,000 for coming in at 146 lbs. The agreed weight was 144 lbs. Mayweather went on to beat the overpowered Mexican on a lopsided 12-round decision. It is unclear if Mayweather will agree to what appears to be an over-the-top demand by Team Pacquiao. Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions are staging the fight and a formal annoucement is being awaited anytime this week. Both fighters are guaranteed a purse of $25 million each and their total earnings can go up to as high as $40 million apiece.

Link: [url]http://www.fightnews.com/?p=33711[/url] ([url]http://www.fightnews.com/?p=33711[/url])



Lol, Arum will be fuming about this....

Cheers Fil, get your tale of the tape updated...Manny is 31 now


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 22, 2009, 08:22:16 PM
Lol, Arum will be fuming about this....

Cheers Fil, get your tale of the tape updated...Manny is 31 now

LOL I got that tale of the tape from Pacland bro and it was made before Manny's 31st bday. I forgot who made it.  :-\


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Romanopapa on December 22, 2009, 11:03:03 PM
Posted by Deck in the stickied thread.  Posting it here for discussion.

www.fightnews.com (http://www.fightnews.com)

Pacman demands

By Nick Giongco

For fear of being outsmarted by Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao, by way of his lawyer Franklin Gacal, said in a text message late Tuesday night in the Philippines that the Filipino fighter will be “demanding a penalty of $10 million per pound or a fraction thereof over and above 147 lbs during the weighin” in relation to the March 13, 2010 fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Gacal, however, made it clear that the “penalty applies to both fighters”, meaning if Pacquiao fails to make weight, he will also be forced to cough out the same amount.

Against Juan Manuel Marquez last September, Mayweather was compelled to pay Marquez a total of $600,000 for coming in at 146 lbs. The agreed weight was 144 lbs. Mayweather went on to beat the overpowered Mexican on a lopsided 12-round decision. It is unclear if Mayweather will agree to what appears to be an over-the-top demand by Team Pacquiao. Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions are staging the fight and a formal annoucement is being awaited anytime this week. Both fighters are guaranteed a purse of $25 million each and their total earnings can go up to as high as $40 million apiece.
December 22nd, 2009

******

Don't really think Floyd will have a hard time with the 147lb limit.  This is just Pac-Teams counter to Floyd's drug-testing demand.  All mental jabs from both teams.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: deck on December 22, 2009, 11:10:09 PM
Posted by Deck in the stickied thread.  Posting it here for discussion.


******

Don't really think Floyd will have a hard time with the 147lb limit.  This is just Pac-Teams counter to Floyd's drug-testing demand.  All mental jabs from both teams.

fils posted it in here already mate.  :)  I think it's a bit excessive at $10m per lb but that being said I don't think Floyd will have a single problem making the weight for this one. As a counter demand to a single blood test that takes two minutes I think it's a bit excessive. I think Manny should do the blood test just to get those questions out of there. Not my questions by the way.  I've not read many of the daily ins and outs of this. I guess because I can't make this one I'm not as glued to it but I just want the fight made already.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 22, 2009, 11:55:23 PM
LOS ANGELES, CA (December 22, 2009) . . . The mega-fight between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao is now in jeopardy after Golden Boy Promotions, on behalf of Mayweather Promotions, learned today that Manny Pacquiao is refusing to comply with Olympic style drug testing as outlined and mandated by the United States Anti Doping Agency (USADA) and as requested by Mayweather's management to ensure fair play and sportsmanship by both fighters. 
 
Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter's superstition of testing so close to a fight. 
 
Schaefer commented, "Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn't want to do it so close to the fight.  He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight."
 
Olympic style drug testing involves random sampling of the athlete's blood and urine prior to and after the fight.  The USADA procedure includes both blood and urine sampling so that all banned substances, some of which do not show up in urine alone, are tested for thoroughly.   
 
"It is unfortunate to hear this from Manny Pacquiao's representatives, particularly since, as of today, both parties had worked out all other issues related to this fight," said Schaefer.  "Team Mayweather is certainly surprised that an elite athlete like Manny Pacquiao would refuse drug testing procedures which Floyd has already agreed to and have been agreed to by many other top athletes such as Lance Armstrong, and Olympians Michael Phelps, LeBron James and Kobe Bryant."
 
Mayweather, who was informed of Pacquiao's reluctance shortly after Schaefer received word of the impasse, feels Pacquiao has to explain himself immediately or be faced with accusations from the media and the public regarding his own status as a clean and drug free athlete. 
 
"I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don't know anyone who really does," said Mayweather.  "But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level. I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same.  It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night. I hope that this is either some miscommunication or that Manny will change his mind and step up and allow these tests, which were good enough for all these other great athletes, to be performed by USADA."
 
Leonard Ellerbe, CEO of Mayweather Promotions said, "We hope that Manny will do the right thing and agree to the testing as it is an egregious act to deny the testing and hence, deny the millions of fans the right to see this amazing fight.  We just want to make sure there is a level playing field in a sport that is a man-to-man contest that relies on strength and ability.  I still hope this decision is coming from someone in Pacquiao's camp and not Manny himself as it would be a shame that an athlete of his stature and who represents his whole country would not be able to show the public or his fellow athletes that he agrees to the highest standards in sports competition."     
 
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs044/1102055440350/archive/1102903092045.html (http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs044/1102055440350/archive/1102903092045.html)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: RAZZ-MCFC on December 23, 2009, 12:06:09 AM
I usually buy between 60 to 100 tickets for Mannys fights

that's a hell of a lot of tickets, why do you buy so many mate?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Greb on December 23, 2009, 01:31:08 AM
Che just posted the latest in this circus in the news only sticky and although I am not saying Manny is juicing I did find this portion a little odd in the same report from fightnews worded slightly differently.

http://www.fightnews.com/?p=33723#more-33723 (http://www.fightnews.com/?p=33723#more-33723)



Quote
Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout. Schaefer commented, “Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.”


I dont know anything about PEDS but that seems a little suspect.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 23, 2009, 01:32:25 AM
To be honest I'm already sick of all the rubbish surrounding this fight. Like all big fights recently I suppose. I've booked my flights and will be in Vegas the weekend of March 13th. Fight or no fight.

I know its the biggest fight for a long time, but seriously this is ridiculous. I've booked at my own risk. And if the fights not made, then I'll happilly find another show on the west coast for the 2 weeks I'm away. No big deal.

Its a historical fight, but seriously. There's a handful every decade. Once this fight is over, there'll be another around the corner.

Its a circus. The mainstream are involved. And fights of this magnitude tend to be less enjoyable to the hardcore boxing fan. Rant over.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 23, 2009, 01:44:21 AM
LOS ANGELES, CA (December 22, 2009) . . . The mega-fight between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao is now in jeopardy after Golden Boy Promotions, on behalf of Mayweather Promotions, learned today that Manny Pacquiao is refusing to comply with Olympic style drug testing as outlined and mandated by the United States Anti Doping Agency (USADA) and as requested by Mayweather's management to ensure fair play and sportsmanship by both fighters. 
 
Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter's superstition of testing so close to a fight. 
 
Schaefer commented, "Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn't want to do it so close to the fight.  He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight."
 
Olympic style drug testing involves random sampling of the athlete's blood and urine prior to and after the fight.  The USADA procedure includes both blood and urine sampling so that all banned substances, some of which do not show up in urine alone, are tested for thoroughly.   
 
"It is unfortunate to hear this from Manny Pacquiao's representatives, particularly since, as of today, both parties had worked out all other issues related to this fight," said Schaefer.  "Team Mayweather is certainly surprised that an elite athlete like Manny Pacquiao would refuse drug testing procedures which Floyd has already agreed to and have been agreed to by many other top athletes such as Lance Armstrong, and Olympians Michael Phelps, LeBron James and Kobe Bryant."
 
Mayweather, who was informed of Pacquiao's reluctance shortly after Schaefer received word of the impasse, feels Pacquiao has to explain himself immediately or be faced with accusations from the media and the public regarding his own status as a clean and drug free athlete. 
 
"I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don't know anyone who really does," said Mayweather.  "But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level. I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same.  It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night. I hope that this is either some miscommunication or that Manny will change his mind and step up and allow these tests, which were good enough for all these other great athletes, to be performed by USADA."
 
Leonard Ellerbe, CEO of Mayweather Promotions said, "We hope that Manny will do the right thing and agree to the testing as it is an egregious act to deny the testing and hence, deny the millions of fans the right to see this amazing fight.  We just want to make sure there is a level playing field in a sport that is a man-to-man contest that relies on strength and ability.  I still hope this decision is coming from someone in Pacquiao's camp and not Manny himself as it would be a shame that an athlete of his stature and who represents his whole country would not be able to show the public or his fellow athletes that he agrees to the highest standards in sports competition."     
 
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Very interesting .....What i dont understand is why pacman doesnt want to take this kind of test when 30 days before the fight is plenty of time to regain the blood since blood comes back to full health after a little over 24 hours.

Very interesting ....

Well our boy mayweather jr is ready for any kind of test and ready to fight ... I just wish the same for pacman.  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Romanopapa on December 23, 2009, 01:46:31 AM
Some new info on the sticky in addition to Manny refusing the drug-test weeks prior to the fight

1)  Agreement on MGM as venue
2)  Mayweather agreed on the $10M/lb penalty

http://sports.spam.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4766171 (http://sports.spam.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4766171)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 23, 2009, 01:59:47 AM
looks to me like the pretty boy is agreeing to everything to make the fight happen and manny is the one putting the obstacles up.....could the pacman be trying to avoid "the truth"?? ?? surely not  //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Romanopapa on December 23, 2009, 02:08:24 AM
looks to me like the pretty boy is agreeing to everything to make the fight happen and manny is the one putting the obstacles up.....could the pacman be trying to avoid "the truth"?? ?? surely not  //

Nah.  I think Manny's team is using this as a leverage.  The Olympic-style testing will happen i got no doubt about that.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: joey_ed27 on December 23, 2009, 03:13:30 AM
The more I read about all the crazy stuff that the Mayweather camp wants... The more that Im confident about Manny doing well against Floyd.  

Team Mayweather is obviously trying desperately to create a need for various test to be done.  With no basis whatsoever.  Thats as clear as day.   Floyd and his team doesnt seem to be too confident in this fight, contrary to what they show.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: deck on December 23, 2009, 04:14:33 AM
The more I read about all the crazy stuff that the Mayweather camp wants... The more that Im confident about Manny doing well against Floyd.  

Team Mayweather is obviously trying desperately to create a need for various test to be done.  With no basis whatsoever.  Thats as clear as day.   Floyd and his team doesnt seem to be too confident in this fight, contrary to what they show.

Do you really think that wanting a standard athletics DRUGS test that even marathon runners can take with no ill effects within 30 days of an event is crazy stuff compared to $10m per lb which by the way has been agreed to with no hesitation?

Nah.  I think Manny's team is using this as a leverage.  The Olympic-style testing will happen i got no doubt about that.
I would really like to believe that mate but leverage for what? A higher %? Who is going to believe that any athlete deserves millions more for taking a standard blood and urine test. I fully believed that Manny would turn around,  agree to the test and tell Floyd Snr to go f*ck himself because he knows he is drug free.
Now he's just bringing the media and fan speculation down on himself over something very simple with no valid reason for doing so. It really is not an excessive demand. And I'm not having a go at Manny. I would be having the same reaction to Floyd pulling the same thing.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 23, 2009, 04:30:57 AM
Manny already agreed to take the test before the press conference and after the fight.

Mayweather wants an excuse to get out of the fight. I mean I ask myself why is only Pacquiao subjected to this type of test after he passed every testing made by NSAC. Unbelievable.

 //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 23, 2009, 04:33:20 AM
"I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken because, frankly, I don't know anyone who really does. But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level. I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same. It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night.

-- Floyd Mayweather

Wow! Talking about even playing field. Just ask Marquez.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: joey_ed27 on December 23, 2009, 06:16:34 AM
Do you really think that wanting a standard athletics DRUGS test that even marathon runners can take with no ill effects within 30 days of an event is crazy stuff compared to $10m per lb which by the way has been agreed to with no hesitation?
I would really like to believe that mate but leverage for what? A higher %? Who is going to believe that any athlete deserves millions more for taking a standard blood and urine test. I fully believed that Manny would turn around,  agree to the test and tell Floyd Snr to go f*ck himself because he knows he is drug free.
Now he's just bringing the media and fan speculation down on himself over something very simple with no valid reason for doing so. It really is not an excessive demand. And I'm not having a go at Manny. I would be having the same reaction to Floyd pulling the same thing.

I say its crazy only bec it is without any basis other the hallucinations in Floyd Snrs head ;).  Im certain that Manny has no problems whatsover in having this test.  Its not a question of whether he passes olympic style drug testing or not (which is what the Mayweather camp wants to put in our minds).   Its a question of you giving in to this circus and BS that the Mayweather camp wants.

As to the 10 mil /lb penalty is not crazy if were talking about the possibility of highest ppv gross ever...  What would be crazy is if we saw a repeat of the JMM-PBF 300k/lb penalty.  We all know what happened there.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Romanopapa on December 23, 2009, 06:42:55 AM
Does anyone know how long steroids stay in your body?? (Seriously i wanna know coz i have no idea)

Manny agreed to having his blood drawn before the press-con and right after the fight.  RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT.  But from Mayweather's and Shaeffer's statement, their misleading the public and accusing Manny of completely refusing the Olympic-style drug testing and putting the blame on Manny. 


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 06:54:52 AM
Latest from Freddie Roach.


Roach BLASTS Mayweathers - "Mayweather is a coward!"

December 22nd, 2009
Brad Cooney

 


8CountNews contacted Freddie Roach to get his thoughts on the recent reports of Manny Pacquiao's refusal to give blood the day before the scheduled fight with Floyd Mayweather.  Roach says that he is the one advising Manny not to give the blood the day before the fight.  Roach blasts the Mayweather's calling them cowards, and scared. Check out what else Freddie Roach had to say in this exclusive 8CN interview.

8CN - Freddie, todays headlines all say that Manny Pacquiao is refusing to give blood the day before the fight.  What is your response?

FR - Well the sanctioning bodies and the state commissions run the boxing world, not Floyd Mayweather.  Who is this guy to tell us that we have to have blood tests, or urine tests, or any tests?  He's just looking for a way out of the fight.  He is scared, and he's just afraid that he's going to get his ass kicked.  We don't work for Floyd Mayweather.  We fight for the state commission, since when does the fighter make up the rules?

8CN - To play devils advocate, Floyd's people firmly believe that Manny is taking steroids.  Why not just take the test and prove them wrong?

FR - So, what if I think Mayweather is taking steroids too?, so does that mean I go out and change the rules in boxing?  This guy isn't going to walk all over us, he's not railroading us.  This is bullshit, we will go by the rules of the commission, and that's it.  We'll go on to other things, and he can make no money fighting some bum.  My fighter is clean, I have trouble giving Manny protein shakes and vitamins, let alone steroids.  We will pass the drug test, because my fighter is clean.

8CN - Is it Manny refusing to take the blood test or is it someone deciding for him?

FR - It's me, I am not going to let my fighter give blood a day before the fight.

8CN - What can giving blood a day before a fight do to a fighter?

FR - It's just like having sex before a fight.  You're not supposed to have sex before a fight, it makes you weak.  If you mentally think that, it will.  When Manny gives blood it takes him 3 or 4 days to recover from it.  I am not going to have my fighter going into a fight feeling weak and not sure of himself.

8CN - Is it true that Manny never wanted to give blood the day before any of his fights?

FR - We will never do it a day before a fight.  We never flunked a urine test, and there is no reason to think my fighter is dirty.  We have passed every test ever given to us.  We go by the commission rules, not no rule Mayweather puts out there.

8CN - So it's fair to say that the ball is completely in Mayweathers court now, you guys are not budging?

FR - Yes it's fair to say that.  If Floyd wants to fight us, then step up and fight us.  If you want Manny to take a blood test after the fight, no problem, but not a day before.

8CN - Wouldn't a blood test the day after the fight be the same as a test a day before?  I mean if Manny was taking steroids, wouldn't the test the day after the fight show the same thing as it would the day before?

FR - Yes agreed.  A urine test will show the same thing too,but if they want a blood test the day after the fight, I have no problem with that.  I will not have my guy giving blood a day before the fight, that will make him weak.  Why is Floyd Mayweather dictating what we do in life? It's crazy... he's a coward and he's afraid to fight us and that is all there is to it.

8CN - If this fight gets scratched, what's next?

FR - We go up and get Yuri Foreman's title. We will go up one more weight division, just for you Floyd!



Link: http://www.8countnews.com/news/125/ARTICLE/2168/2009-12-22.html (http://www.8countnews.com/news/125/ARTICLE/2168/2009-12-22.html)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Romanopapa on December 23, 2009, 07:06:08 AM
And so the chicken keeps on clucking....


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Fightin Irish on December 23, 2009, 07:46:07 AM
I have to say I agree with Roach on this, this isnt the Olympics, the NSAC run stringent tests on all boxers, and most urine tests show more than bloods these days and Manny has agreed to be urine tested randomly right up to the fight. If I was the trainer I wouldnt let my fighter give blood 24 hrs before a fight either its ludicrous!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 08:26:22 AM
From Yahoo news:

Nearly every detail is finalized for Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao to fight on March 13 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas but one. That one detail, though, may kill the fight.

Negotiations are at an impasse over Pacquiao’s failure to agree to random Olympic-style drug testing, said Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions, on Tuesday.

Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach said his fighter is willing to comply with strict drug-testing standards, but Roach won’t allow Pacquiao to have blood drawn 48 hours before the fight.

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Ellerbe said he would not let Mayweather enter the ring unless Pacquiao agreed to it.

Both sides agreed that the drug testing issue is the only hurdle preventing the fight from being finished. Earlier Tuesday, Golden Boy Promotions officially requested March 13 from the Nevada State Athletic Commission to host the show.

“As Floyd’s management, we are insistent that there be a level playing field,” Ellerbe said. “This is in the best interests of the fighters, the fans and the sport. If you want a level playing field, the best way to do it is to have Olympic-style, random drug testing administered by the premier agency in the world, the [United States Anti-Doping Agency].”

Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum said the demand is “absolutely crazy,” done simply to harass Pacquiao, who is squeamish about needles, and is proof that Mayweather doesn’t really want the fight.

Arum said the request has been an unsettled issue since the first day of negotiations last month.

“We’re not going to agree to have Manny give blood in training, because that’s stupid,” Arum said. “Every doctor in the world will tell you that is stupid. He’ll give his blood at the beginning of the year and he’s willing to be urine-tested 24/7, but blood doesn’t show [expletive] and he’s not going to do it.”


Michael Koncz, Pacquiao’s adviser and de facto manager, said Pacquiao believes drawing blood so close to a competition harms the body, but the boxer is willing to have his blood drawn a month away from the fight as a compromise.

Koncz said Pacquiao was willing to pass on the fight if it came to that.

“Manny has a lot more options than Mayweather does,” Koncz said. “Manny is clean and he’s never done a thing, and he’s willing to go to great lengths to prove it. It’s my understanding that this stuff doesn’t just leave your system overnight.

“He’ll take a blood test immediately after the fight, if that’s what they insist upon. But Manny believes very strongly that it would be harmful to him to draw blood that soon before the fight and he plain and simple isn’t going to do it.”


In a statement released by his publicist, Mayweather said he is willing to submit to the testing. There was never any suspicion that Pacquiao had ever taken banned substances until earlier this year, when Floyd Mayweather Sr. suggested he was on steroids.

Pacquiao has passed every urine test he’s been given in connection with boxing matches.

“I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don’t know anyone who really does,” Mayweather said in his statement. “But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level. I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same.

“It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night. I hope that this is either some miscommunication or that Manny will change his mind and step up and allow these tests, which were good enough for all these other great athletes, to be performed by USADA.”

Blood tests for illegal drugs and banned substances are not required by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, which would have regulatory control of the bout if it is held in Las Vegas.

In Nevada, a fighter is required to submit to a blood test that screens for HIV and Hepatitis B and C, as well as other blood-borne diseases, as part of the requirement to gain a license.

A license in Nevada is good for one year. In Pacquiao’s case, he received his 2009 license shortly before he fought Ricky Hatton in May. He submitted his blood to the commission between April 5 and April 20, said Keith Kizer, the commission’s executive director.

Kizer said all fighters who fight in Nevada are subject to random urine tests as well as any other medical tests, such as an MRI or a CAT scan, that the commission deems necessary. Arum said Pacquiao is willing to submit to testing by an outside agency but won’t give his blood. Roach said it’s an issue because Mayweather’s side has been insisting Pacquiao give blood as close as 48 hours within the fight.

“We’ll accommodate their requests and do urine testing up the wazoo and we’ll agree to have them done by an outside agency,” Arum said. “Manny has nothing to hide. But he’s not going to give blood because that’s crazy. He’ll do it at the beginning and he’ll do it at the end. That’s how it is done. Ask some former Olympic boxers how many times they give blood.”

Ellerbe said having the testing administered by USADA would quell suspicions about the procedures or the result.

“This is no rooty toot organization,” said Ellerbe, who noted that such testing was accepted by elite athletes such as LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Michael Phelps and Lance Armstrong.

Roach scoffed at such talk and said it won’t matter to him if the fight is not held.

“I really don’t care, because Manny doesn’t need Floyd Mayweather,” Roach said. “The tests he’s requesting are not commission tests, they’re not boxing tests and this is not an Olympic sport. A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

The World Anti-Doping Agency successfully used blood testing at the 2004 Olympics in Athens to test for HGH.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-boximpasse122209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-boximpasse122209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 08:30:06 AM
oops... sorry mods... I just saw it on yahoo and didn't look in the main Mayweather Pacqueeraio thread.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 23, 2009, 08:32:34 AM
This is becoming a boring farce now. Surely both camps can see there's no sense in turning down the chance of the two best fighters facing off, and making a shedload of money in the process?

Personally there's one thing I would like them to agree to, but it wont happen. What is it you ask? The fight to be fought over fifteen rounds, the true championship distance. A fight of this magnitude deserves to be fought over the traditional distance. Twelve round fights are commonplace, fifteen rounds would make the occasion all the more special.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 23, 2009, 08:33:29 AM
If this fight doesn't get made because of what ostensibly appears to be a big dick competition between the two parties then it reflects badly on all sides.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 08:43:04 AM
I have to say I agree with Roach on this, this isnt the Olympics, the NSAC run stringent tests on all boxers, and most urine tests show more than bloods these days and Manny has agreed to be urine tested randomly right up to the fight. If I was the trainer I wouldnt let my fighter give blood 24 hrs before a fight either its ludicrous!


keep in mind that the Olympic style test seems to be the only one that can detect HGH.

Other types of drugs that can be used to "up" your power in a quick amount of time and are gone very quickly..

3 to 6 Weeks

Primobolan Depot, Anavar, Winstrol/Stanozolol (oral), Nilevar, Parabolan, Dianabol (oral), D-Bol (oral), and testosterone Propionate are compounds that move through and work the system very rapidly. These move through the system at a faster rate, and the same goes for the anabolic results acquired from using them.

One Week or Less

Testosterone Undeconoate (Andriol) and Clenbuterol can clear the system in a day or less. These compounds are great to use up to the week before a powerlifting or bodybuilding show. Testosterone Suspension will clears the system in three days.

If there is a lot of worry about passing a test in the future, you might want to reconsider taking the drugs in the first place. If you desire to use drugs for competing that will need to be out of the system, this guide can be very helpful. Steroid alternatives are always an awesome option - and there are some really hardcore grey market supplements out there these days that will definitely do the trick!

http://www.articlesbase.com/acne-articles/drug-testing-steroid-detection-times-you-need-to-know-580517.html (http://www.articlesbase.com/acne-articles/drug-testing-steroid-detection-times-you-need-to-know-580517.html)


so I can't blame people for being suspicious and wanting to take the precaution. Roach is the one doing all the talking like he's Manny's Dad or manny is his little bitch puppet, he's a fighter and the man can speak for himself.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 08:46:13 AM
This is becoming a boring farce now. Surely both camps can see there's no sense in turning down the chance of the two best fighters facing off, and making a shedload of money in the process?

Personally there's one thing I would like them to agree to, but it wont happen. What is it you ask? The fight to be fought over fifteen rounds, the true championship distance. A fight of this magnitude deserves to be fought over the traditional distance. Twelve round fights are commonplace, fifteen rounds would make the occasion all the more special.

I will say this and I don't care which two fighters it is... if i'm Manny and i've got a chance to make 25 million from 1 fight and possibly up to 40 million and my trainer stands to make a nice what? 5 or 10%? Then stick me and take the blood... Floyd doesn't seem to concerned about being weak before the fight, so why is Roach so insistant about "not letting them take blood from Manny"?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: joey_ed27 on December 23, 2009, 08:48:20 AM
So from now on all fights previously that did not undergo the Floyd Style Olympic drug test has been tainted :o

 ;D  So thats how Mayweather was able to decision Oscar.  He difinitely looked a bit too buff on that one.... //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 08:48:39 AM
Naturally because I post proof about steroid use I get an sc lmao! Either way, he's proof that there are some drugs out there that are gone quickly... my same post as the other thread in case SOME people actually want the truth about this issue....


3 to 6 Weeks

Primobolan Depot, Anavar, Winstrol/Stanozolol (oral), Nilevar, Parabolan, Dianabol (oral), D-Bol (oral), and testosterone Propionate are compounds that move through and work the system very rapidly. These move through the system at a faster rate, and the same goes for the anabolic results acquired from using them.

One Week or Less

Testosterone Undeconoate (Andriol) and Clenbuterol can clear the system in a day or less. These compounds are great to use up to the week before a powerlifting or bodybuilding show. Testosterone Suspension will clears the system in three days.

If there is a lot of worry about passing a test in the future, you might want to reconsider taking the drugs in the first place. If you desire to use drugs for competing that will need to be out of the system, this guide can be very helpful. Steroid alternatives are always an awesome option - and there are some really hardcore grey market supplements out there these days that will definitely do the trick!

http://www.articlesbase.com/acne-articles/drug-testing-steroid-detection-times-you-need-to-know-580517.html (http://www.articlesbase.com/acne-articles/drug-testing-steroid-detection-times-you-need-to-know-580517.html)


so I can't blame people for being suspicious and wanting to take the precaution. Roach is the one doing all the talking like he's Manny's Dad or manny is his little bitch puppet, he's a fighter and the man can speak for himself.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 08:49:52 AM
So from now on all fights previously that did not undergo the Floyd Style Olympic drug test has been tainted :o

 ;D  So thats how Mayweather was able to decision Oscar.  He difinitely looked a bit too buff on that one.... //


looking a certain way has NOTHING to do with it and you're being ignorant about the issue while you post with an avatar of manny in that faggy hat.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: joey_ed27 on December 23, 2009, 09:03:09 AM
looking a certain way has NOTHING to do with it and you're being ignorant about the issue while you post with an avatar of manny in that faggy hat.

Manny in that faggy hat is way better the having to stick your head up Floyds ass.  I bet you couldng see that right?

The issue as with regard to the test are very simple... Do we need the test, NO.  If Floyd wants to chicken out, cant blame him.

"... A urine test will show the same thing too, but if they want a blood test the day after the fight, I have no problem with that.  I will not have my guy giving blood a day before the fight, that will make him weak.  Why is Floyd Mayweather dictating what we do in life? It's crazy... he's a coward and he's afraid to fight us and that is all there is to it. .." -Roach






Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 09:11:30 AM
Manny in that faggy hat is way better the having to stick your head up Floyds ass.  I bet you couldng see that right?

The issue as with regard to the test are very simple... Do we need the test, NO.  If Floyd wants to chicken out, cant blame him.

"... A urine test will show the same thing too, but if they want a blood test the day after the fight, I have no problem with that.  I will not have my guy giving blood a day before the fight, that will make him weak.  Why is Floyd Mayweather dictating what we do in life? It's crazy... he's a coward and he's afraid to fight us and that is all there is to it. .." -Roach






let me post this again in case you didn't pick up on it the first time...


One Week or Less

Testosterone Undeconoate (Andriol) and Clenbuterol can clear the system in a day or less. These compounds are great to use up to the week before a powerlifting or bodybuilding show. Testosterone Suspension will clears the system in three days.

stuff like that is out there and getting used and no one knows if pacqueeraio is using it, so I don't see the problem, other than the fact that Roach wants to run the whole show and manny is afraid of needles.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Siney on December 23, 2009, 09:13:05 AM
I dont know if this has been posted...

Richard Schaefer On Pacquiao Drug Row (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvZ9RGich7A#normal)

What is he hiding :S?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 09:13:51 AM
stick my head up Floyd's ass? Is that what it's called when I question a guy who seems to carry his power up more than pretty much anyone ever has in the history of the sport? Questioning that makes me a guy with my head up Floyd's ass then ok lol... back on topic now sweet tits.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 23, 2009, 09:47:05 AM
stick my head up Floyd's ass? Is that what it's called when I question a guy who seems to carry his power up more than pretty much anyone ever has in the history of the sport? Questioning that makes me a guy with my head up Floyd's ass then ok lol... back on topic now sweet tits.

A certain Mr Hearns would argue with that.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 23, 2009, 10:00:50 AM
This will be just like the tyson vs lewis fight, a big build up only for it to be called off and scheduled for a later date. March is less than 3 months away, it's basically 2 and a bit months. All this drug testing crap is just sugar coating so they can call it off and build anticipation even more.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 23, 2009, 10:02:23 AM
manny doesnt want to take a blood test because he hates needles and it will make him weak?

How much blood are they planning on taking?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: The Hurricane on December 23, 2009, 10:22:17 AM
manny doesnt want to take a blood test because he hates needles and it will make him weak?

How much blood are they planning on taking?


From the other thread:

"In an email to www.insidesports.ph (http://www.insidesports.ph), Standard Today and Viva Sports, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer said “Olympic style drug testing is not one blood test 30 days before the fight and one after the fight. It is random drug testing which would include somewhere between 3-5 blood tests and 8-12 urine tests taken during the period January 1 to March 15. Blood tests by the way are taken in a non-intrusive manner and are less than one tablespoon.”

3-5 blood tests in the space of two and a half months seems pretty reasonable to me.  And at around a tablespoon's worth a time I can't imagine that would be anywhere near enough to weaken a grown man for any significant period of time. 


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 23, 2009, 10:23:35 AM
manny doesnt want to take a blood test because he hates needles and it will make him weak?

How much blood are they planning on taking?

Cue Tony Hancock, 'A Pint!?, why that's very nearly an armful! I'm sorry, I'm not walking about with an empty arm for anyone!'  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: HurricaneHig on December 23, 2009, 10:24:30 AM
Another fine cop out by mayweather..........There is nothing wrong with taking your standard urine test, personally i think its just early mind games he's trying to pull.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 23, 2009, 10:39:56 AM
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so I can't blame people for being suspicious and wanting to take the precaution. Roach is the one doing all the talking like he's Manny's Dad or manny is his little bitch puppet, he's a fighter and the man can speak for himself.


This is an interesting point...like I've said before, I respect the fact that you back your argument with research, and playing devil's advocate, you could ask whether Manny has something to hide based on his reluctance to do the blood test so close to the fight. As such, your argument is a valid one...

However, on the flipside (and this represents my view), I feel that what Mayweather's team are asking for is unreasonable. It is above and beyond the standard for professional boxing. It's not done for other fights, so why should Manny be forced to do this for this fight? Drug cheats have been caught out via other means (i.e Mosley, Jones etc)

Moreover, It's well documented that Mannny doesn't like needles, and Psychologically it will affect him to have blood taken so close to the fight. Fighters are creatures of habit and little things like this can really throw a fighter more than you can imagine.

I have a sneaky feeling that this is simply a ploy by Team Mayweather; I think the intention is to 'imply' that Manny is hiding something, because I firmly believe that the fight will be signed by both parties without this drug test being put into the contract...therefore, with the fight signed without the requested drug test being in place, people will be thinking "hmmm, I wonder if Manny has something to hide???"

Meth, we will have to agree to disagree on this one, but I do respect your view...


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Tito on December 23, 2009, 10:41:35 AM
Manny should do the test and prove he is clean as there as been some issues from Mayweather's camp that he is a steroid user. Floyd Sr started it off last year and now its gaining momentum so why doesn't he just prove them wrong and take the test.
Floyd is willing to under go the same as he clearly as nothing to hide but Arum, Koncz, Roach and Pacquaio are to blame if this fight doesn't happen because they are the ones will the issue. I personally think he is clean but with the nature of going up in weight and Knocking Guys in the fashion he as done it will leave sceptics like the Mayweathers to try and blacken his perfromances by saying he needs steroids to help him.
The more Pacquaio backs off from this the more he looks he as something to hide and if he did have something to hide it would stain his career for ever and no doubt leave him facing a hell of a lot of lawsuits from fellow fighters.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Fightin Irish on December 23, 2009, 10:46:27 AM
I dont see why Pac should, hes been tested throughout his career and has never been found to be anything but clean! Now because of the ramblings of a former crackhead and drug dealer he should succumb to the Mayweathers demands??? Bollox. Floyd is basically pissing in the face of boxing and saying, thres no point in any of their tests as theyre pointless! Both should just sign the fookin contract and get it done and stop all this arsing about!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: The Hurricane on December 23, 2009, 10:53:44 AM
This is an interesting point...like I've said before, I respect the fact that you back your argument with research, and playing devil's advocate, you could ask whether Manny has something to hide based on his reluctance to do the blood test so close to the fight. As such, your argument is a valid one...

However, on the flipside (and this represents my view), I feel that what Mayweather's team are asking for is unreasonable. It is above and beyond the standard for professional boxing. It's not done for other fights, so why should Manny be forced to do this for this fight? Drug cheats have been caught out via other means (i.e Mosley, Jones etc)

Moreover, It's well documented that Mannny doesn't like needles, and Psychologically it will affect him to have blood taken so close to the fight. Fighters are creatures of habit and little things like this can really throw a fighter more than you can imagine.

I have a sneaky feeling that this is simply a ploy by Team Mayweather; I think the intention is to 'imply' that Manny is hiding something, because I firmly believe that the fight will be signed by both parties without this drug test being put into the contract...therefore, with the fight signed without the requested drug test being in place, people will be thinking "hmmm, I wonder if Manny has something to hide???"

Meth, we will have to agree to disagree on this one, but I do respect your view...

I think your point about the tests being over above the usual in boxing is a fair one.  But £10m per pound penalty requested by Arum is also well about any usual weight stipulation.

I'm sure the majority want the posturing to cease and the contracts to be signed.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 23, 2009, 11:01:22 AM
"He's just looking for a way out of the fight. He is scared, and he's just afraid that he's going to get his ass kicked. We don't work for Floyd Mayweather. We fight for the state commission, since when does the fighter make up the rules?" -Freddy Roach

 ;D  ;D  ;D

I just hope Manny agrees on this demand and beat the hell out of this chicken.  >:<


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 23, 2009, 11:06:18 AM
"He's just looking for a way out of the fight. He is scared, and he's just afraid that he's going to get his ass kicked. We don't work for Floyd Mayweather. We fight for the state commission, since when does the fighter make up the rules?" -Freddy Roach

 ;D  ;D  ;D

I just hope Manny agrees on this demand and beat the hell out of this chicken.  >:<

Fighters have often made rule changes and agreements between themselves. Size of ring, length of bout, glove size and brand, catchweights and so on. Its nothing new.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 23, 2009, 11:11:26 AM
Fighters have often made rule changes and agreements between themselves. Size of ring, length of bout, glove size and brand, catchweights and so on. Its nothing new.

If you read the mandate of the US anti-doping agency you will see that it's mandate deals with Olympic and Para-Olympic competitors. This drug testing request is something that was made by Mayweather's camp. Secondly USADA will not be conducting or mandating the any tests required of Manny Pacquiao. Thirdly USADA are only involved at any level of testing procedures at the behest of those sports governing bodies or an umbrella of sports governing bodies, such as USOC, AAU etc. The sports governing body is not Mayweather Jr. or Ellerbe.. Lastly the athletes named as complying with USADA testing Armstrong, Bryant, James, Phelps were all tested in that manner because they were Olympians at the time they were tested as was Mayweather Jr which is why those athletes were included in that statement and why it was worded that way.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: 7777 on December 23, 2009, 11:14:58 AM
Fighters have often made rule changes and agreements between themselves. Size of ring, length of bout, glove size and brand, catchweights and so on. Its nothing new.

Freddie should know that as much as anyone


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 23, 2009, 11:17:08 AM
Freddie should know that as much as anyone

Indeed! ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 23, 2009, 11:19:20 AM
I'm with Tito on this one.

I don't think for one second that Manny is doped, but if the fight doesn't happen because of this issue then I think Pacquiao takes the blame and what is basically a tiny issue (an allegation made by a crackhead) all of a sudden becomes a larger question mark.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: eric the king on December 23, 2009, 11:36:48 AM
i think floyd doesnt want the fight! There is always something that he wants or his team isnt happy with .. and its beginning to look that way by me! I am totally unbiased in my opinion here. Whilst i rate floyd as the most talented boxer of his generation i think his legacy will always be tainted until he fights the likes of pac , mosely and williams.
I hope am wrong and the fight does got made ... but i have just the feeling that it was never going to happen.

Am no expert in drug testing but are both fighters not subject to regular urine testing by the Neveda commission and hasnt pac agreed to a blood test at the first press conference and immediatly after the fight. Surely this should be satisfactory to all parties.

I wonder if Pac calls his bluff and agrees to random blood tests at anytime ... what will be next from team mayweather!

Me and a few mates also took a punt and booked our flights and will be gutted if it doesnt happen . For the record i think floyd wins on points... so why doesnt he just got on with it!



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Faulks on December 23, 2009, 11:41:12 AM
The fight will happen its all about the Hype there will be plenty of other stories between now and March 13th


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mac-rebel021 on December 23, 2009, 11:41:53 AM
manny doesnt want to take a blood test because he hates needles and it will make him weak?

How much blood are they planning on taking?

if manny had such a problem with needles he wouldnt have any tatoo's would he? i really like manny but i cant help but feel suspicious , if he is found to be a drug cheat the damage boxing will suffer will be unbelievable coz after all the message goin out to small kids is take steroids and u can become strong and knock bigger guys out , and imo that alone brings the game into disrepute


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Boxingfan1991 on December 23, 2009, 11:44:00 AM
Apologies if this has already been posted...

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8427743.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8427743.stm)

Quote
Floyd Mayweather's fight with Manny Pacquiao in doubt 
 
Pacquiao and Mayweather were set to meet on 13 March
Floyd Mayweather Jr's camp claim the American's planned super fight with Manny Pacquiao is now "in jeopardy".

Mayweather and the Filipino star were close to agreeing a 13 March meeting.

But the American's camp say they have been told by Pacquiao's promoters that he will not agree to blood-testing in the 30 days prior to the fight.

"He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight," said Mayweather associate Richard Schaefer.

"It is unfortunate to hear this from Manny Pacquiao's representatives, particularly since, as of today, both parties had worked out all other issues related to this fight."

Unbeaten Mayweather's management want both men - regarded as the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world - to submit to blood-testing prior to the bout, to ensure both men are clean.
 
Schaefer, who is chief executive of Golden Boy Promotions, added: "Todd (DuBoef, president of Pacquiao's promoters Top Rank) told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn't want to do it so close to the fight."

Mayweather, 32, urged 31-year-old Pacquiao to agree to the blood testing.

"I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don't know anyone who really does," said Mayweather.

"But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level."

The welterweight fight, which would be the richest of all time, had widely been expected to be formalised this week, with an official announcement on 6 January.

It was expected to be held at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

The Staples Center in Los Angeles, home of the NBA's Lakers was also touted as a possible venue and representatives of the New Orleans Superdome were also said to be interested in hosting arguably the biggest fight since the turn of the century.

Filipino Pacquiao became a five-weight world champion following his WBO welterweight title win over Miguel Cotto in November, while Las Vegas-based Mayweather returned from a 21-month retirement to beat Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez in September.

 


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 23, 2009, 11:45:07 AM
The fight will happen its all about the Hype there will be plenty of other stories between now and March 13th

My money is going on a row brewing up next over the brand of underpants worn by the fighters, or maybe even an argument over the length of their toenails! ;D

Just get the f*cking fight ON! >:(


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: whieldon on December 23, 2009, 11:45:15 AM
if manny had such a problem with needles he wouldnt have any tatoo's would he? i really like manny but i cant help but feel suspicious , if he is found to be a drug cheat the damage boxing will suffer will be unbelievable coz after all the message goin out to small kids is take steroids and u can become strong and knock bigger guys out , and imo that alone brings the game into disrepute

im gutted it looks like the fight is going to be off now arum after what arum as said lol
hope they sort this out mayweather would win him even if he was on steroids


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 23, 2009, 11:59:22 AM
if manny had such a problem with needles he wouldnt have any tatoo's would he? i really like manny but i cant help but feel suspicious , if he is found to be a drug cheat the damage boxing will suffer will be unbelievable coz after all the message goin out to small kids is take steroids and u can become strong and knock bigger guys out , and imo that alone brings the game into disrepute

exactly, good point raised regarding the tattoos, id rather have blood taken than a tattoo any day of the week.

and less than a tablespoon

the more i read the more i think manny has something to hide.

I agree why should there not be one before the fight. Its ok saying have one after, but what if he is on something and hurt mayweather bad, then after the fight tested positive, it would the worst of all scenarios


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: deck on December 23, 2009, 12:04:41 PM
exactly, good point raised regarding the tattoos, id rather have blood taken than a tattoo any day of the week.

and less than a tablespoon

the more i read the more i think manny has something to hide.

I agree why should there not be one before the fight. Its ok saying have one after, but what if he is on something and hurt mayweather bad, then after the fight tested positive, it would the worst of all scenarios
Yeah there are several things out there now that you could take between the presser and after the fight that could enhance strength or endurance and be gone out your system in that time. It's sad that people will stoop to that. I think Manny is clear but I don't understand why he is making out like it's such a massive request that it's a deal breaker. If he asks for a few $m more because of it he'll get the door shut in his face and look a fool so I just don't understand how it could be used in bargaining.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 23, 2009, 12:15:11 PM
Why arent these done anyway ? for all fights

Ben Johnson was a disgrace but he never hurt no-one ..were as in boxing it could be lethal , im actually shocked boxers arent randomly tested in the run up to a fight

exactly, good point raised regarding the tattoos, id rather have blood taken than a tattoo any day of the week.

and less than a tablespoon

the more i read the more i think manny has something to hide.

I agree why should there not be one before the fight. Its ok saying have one after, but what if he is on something and hurt mayweather bad, then after the fight tested positive, it would the worst of all scenarios


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: LondonRingRules on December 23, 2009, 12:30:45 PM
Yeah there are several things out there now that you could take between the presser and after the fight that could enhance strength or endurance and be gone out your system in that time. It's sad that people will stoop to that. I think Manny is clear but I don't understand why he is making out like it's such a massive request that it's a deal breaker. If he asks for a few $m more because of it he'll get the door shut in his face and look a fool so I just don't understand how it could be used in bargaining.

---------- PAY ATTENTION-------the article is all about Schaefer and team Floydy talking, NOT MANNY!

Team Manny to have a response after this Golden Boy latest tabloid tidbit is properly marinated.

Floydy already on board with years of quotes detailing why he won't fight Arum fighters, so now we have a new reason.

These are private negotiations with public "he said, she said" types of press releases. Many of us refuse to believe the fight can come off, or if it does, not in March.

Floydy is a very cautious fighter who needed two tuneup fights each before taking on Gatti and Baldy, so it's no surprise he needs AT LEAST one more tuneup fight to take on Manny, or 3 or 4 more tuneups, so say hello to at least one of the Hatton brothers. Toss a dart and puts your money down on whether it will be Matthew or Ricky. Golden Boy can deliver those types of inhouse fights.

The Olympic style drug testing is a separate issue, and as a new bargaining point, it means another haggle over money and conditions, because that's what it really is.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 23, 2009, 01:07:38 PM
I have to say I agree with Roach on this, this isnt the Olympics, the NSAC run stringent tests on all boxers, and most urine tests show more than bloods these days and Manny has agreed to be urine tested randomly right up to the fight. If I was the trainer I wouldnt let my fighter give blood 24 hrs before a fight either its ludicrous!

Absolutely totally 100% right!   ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 23, 2009, 01:14:51 PM
its laughable really how some ppl on here are slating flyod for manny pacquiao refusing to do a drugs test,can you imagine the out cry if the roles were reversed and there was question marks over mayweather and he refused to do a drugs test what would ppl be saying then?? would they be blaming manny pacquiao because flyod wouldnt do a drugs test  //

roach is talking utter tosh again as usual, how do you make out that mayweather is a coward coz his man is "afraid" of needles...then he goes on to ask who he thinks he is making up his own rules, pretty cheap coming from a man who practically wanted cotto blindfolded on nov 14th.

im a fan of both of these guys they are my two fav fighters of this generation i like any other fan just wants the fight signed but i dont see a single thing wrong with this olympic style drugs testing, surely this is a great thing for the sport and will clear out any of the cheats enough skullduggery goes on in boxing besides us having our elite fighters get away with doping. mac made a very good point on how manny maintains hes afraid of needles yet can sit down for hours and get tattoos done, this drug test would take no more than 5mins.

i dont think mayweather is making unrealistic demands here, if amatuer athletes in the olympics can have these tests done and go on out after and break world records why cant the top man in our sport,the #1 p4p king do it?? team pacquiao has made an unheard of demand of 10million per lbs in for the weigh in (which in my opinion far out weighs any requested mayweather has made)which mayweather agreed to immediately.......why did he agree?? because he knows full well he wont come in a single ounce over 147lbs so if manny knows full well there isnt a bad drop of blood in his body why doesnt he just agree to take the test. pacquiao shouldnt be refusing this he should be asking "how many pints do you want coz ive loads of it"!!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: legs on December 23, 2009, 01:16:59 PM
I cant make my mind up whether its mind games by Floyd or whether he is being careful with his words by saying Manny is a cheat.

If pushed i'd say that Manny is clean as somewhere down the line you'd get caught like Margarito did & then your career / legacy is ruined forever there really is no way back from it.

It should be easy to sort.......Las Vegas, 147ibs, 50/50 split & date of fight...........deal done.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Tito on December 23, 2009, 01:33:46 PM
I'm with Tito on this one.

I don't think for one second that Manny is doped, but if the fight doesn't happen because of this issue then I think Pacquiao takes the blame and what is basically a tiny issue (an allegation made by a crackhead) all of a sudden becomes a larger question mark.


A blood sample a few weeks before the fight won't damage his health FFS. We all know Arum will jump to Manny's defence but that old c*nt stood by Margarito when he was a confirmed cheat. If Manny as other options than Mayweather then he should pursue them because Mayweather and his team have turned the tables on by making him commit to blood tests. Any one knows Urine tests aren't as accurate because blockers mask the real steroids if they are in his system.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 23, 2009, 01:41:22 PM

A blood sample a few weeks before the fight won't damage his health FFS. We all know Arum will jump to Manny's defence but that old c*nt stood by Margarito when he was a confirmed cheat. If Manny as other options than Mayweather then he should pursue them because Mayweather and his team have turned the tables on by making him commit to blood tests. Any one knows Urine tests aren't as accurate because blockers mask the real steroids if they are in his system.

FYI. They want it day before the fight. Aren't urine testing will yield same result as blood testing?



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 23, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
FYI. They want it day before the fight. Aren't urine testing will yield same result as blood testing?



i take it floyd will have to do the same the day before, so then its an even playing field


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 23, 2009, 01:50:40 PM
i take it floyd will have to do the same the day before, so then its an even playing field

Isn't it even if NSAC will test them both the test every boxer in Nevada is taking before any fight?  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Flo on December 23, 2009, 01:51:16 PM
Why would he agree to fight a cheat in the first place?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 23, 2009, 02:01:24 PM
WHY OLYMPIC STYLE? this is not an olympic game. this is professional boxing and it is governed by commissions like NSAC and etc. this is a trap.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 23, 2009, 02:03:54 PM
A trap for what?

Ultimately I keep coming back to this thought. If you've nothing to hide, and I really don't think he does, then just get the test done.

The longer this goes the more an irrelevant comment becomes a huge question mark.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 23, 2009, 02:04:31 PM
WHY OLYMPIC STYLE? this is not an olympic game. this is professional boxing and it is governed by commissions like NSAC and etc. this is a trap.

the "olympic style" is a more stringent test, surely this is a good thing that nobody should be complaining about.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 23, 2009, 02:07:07 PM
the "olympic style" is a more stringent test, surely this is a good thing that nobody should be complaining about.

So are you insinuating that NSAC's test is not stringent? C'mon!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 23, 2009, 02:09:39 PM
So are you insinuating that NSAC's test is not stringent? C'mon!

they didnt find mosleys steroids did they?? //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 23, 2009, 02:12:58 PM
they didnt find mosleys steroids did they?? //

Since when was the USADA been a requirement for professional boxing?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 23, 2009, 02:14:11 PM
Since when was the USADA been a requirement for professional boxing?

that doesnt answer my question.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 02:18:30 PM
I dont see why Pac should, hes been tested throughout his career and has never been found to be anything but clean! Now because of the ramblings of a former crackhead and drug dealer he should succumb to the Mayweathers demands??? Bollox. Floyd is basically pissing in the face of boxing and saying, thres no point in any of their tests as theyre pointless! Both should just sign the fookin contract and get it done and stop all this arsing about!

well said man, before Floyd Sr threw any accusations of steroid use against Pac nobody doubted his performance as he tested clean in each and every fight that he has had in Las Vegas. So the only basis they really have to go with is Floyd Sr.'s accusations. Kinda funny to see how fickle mkinded some of the people here are and are now doubting Manny and thinking that he does use steroids to enhance his performance. Pac already agreed to do the blood testing during the presscon and right after the fight, you guys are telling me that steroids can be cleared from the body in as little as an hour or two?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 02:21:06 PM
So are you insinuating that NSAC's test is not stringent? C'mon!

good point, so should the NSAC nos start implementing the olympic style testing then and every fight that has happened before the olympic style tests should be discredited? //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 23, 2009, 02:24:07 PM
good point, so should the NSAC nos start implementing the olympic style testing then and every fight that has happened before the olympic style tests should be discredited? //

thats a ridiculous comment fil


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 23, 2009, 02:28:32 PM
good point, so should the NSAC nos start implementing the olympic style testing then and every fight that has happened before the olympic style tests should be discredited? //

Fil , im afraid your king is about to face " The Truth " .  ;D

Just want to mention this to the forum users that these tests are not 24 hours before a fight , it is 30 days before a fight and after the fight which isnt that out of the ordinary.

I like this idea because its a huge fight and to many out there, someone will be the p4p king after this fight. Fair is fair , and pacman has done these kinds of testing before against morales when he was in the lighterweights , why stop now ?

What do i think about this ? Pacman is a warrior and will go on with the tests because i feel he really does want to fight mayweather jr and wont have any kinds of testing to stop him .

I think ROACH isnt ready for mayweather jr and wants to postpone this fight because few months preparing for floyd wont cut it for him even though he was close to beating him with DLH but that is a different fighter . Dont want to talk about that fight but i didnt think it was as close as the judges saw it but thats the past now.

TRUTH is coming boys , ive talked about it months ago , and i bring it up again....The Truth is here , be ready.

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Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 02:30:15 PM
thats a ridiculous comment fil

just as ridiculous as PBF wanting an olympic style testing in a sport that's not being contested in the olympics eh?  ;D

seriously I have a feeling this fight is already a done deal and all this things are just there to create hype. I'll bet there will be an announcement next week already!  ;D ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 23, 2009, 02:35:52 PM
just as ridiculous as PBF wanting an olympic style testing in a sport that's not being contested in the olympics eh?  ;D

seriously I have a feeling this fight is already a done deal and all this things are just there to create hype. I'll bet there will be an announcement next week already!  ;D ;)

or wanting 8oz gloves when the rules state 10oz and 10million per lbs over 147lbs  :o ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 23, 2009, 02:48:30 PM
Kinda funny to see how fickle mkinded some of the people here are and are now doubting Manny and thinking that he does use steroids to enhance his performance.

I don't think anybody on here has said Manny takes steriods - most have said they think he is clean.

The real issue is that this is such a minor trivial thing - get it done and get the fight on.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 23, 2009, 03:26:05 PM
its laughable really how some ppl on here are slating flyod for manny pacquiao refusing to do a drugs test,can you imagine the out cry if the roles were reversed and there was question marks over mayweather and he refused to do a drugs test what would ppl be saying then?? would they be blaming manny pacquiao because flyod wouldnt do a drugs test  //

roach is talking utter tosh again as usual, how do you make out that mayweather is a coward coz his man is "afraid" of needles...then he goes on to ask who he thinks he is making up his own rules, pretty cheap coming from a man who practically wanted cotto blindfolded on nov 14th.

im a fan of both of these guys they are my two fav fighters of this generation i like any other fan just wants the fight signed but i dont see a single thing wrong with this olympic style drugs testing, surely this is a great thing for the sport and will clear out any of the cheats enough skullduggery goes on in boxing besides us having our elite fighters get away with doping. mac made a very good point on how manny maintains hes afraid of needles yet can sit down for hours and get tattoos done, this drug test would take no more than 5mins.

i dont think mayweather is making unrealistic demands here, if amatuer athletes in the olympics can have these tests done and go on out after and break world records why cant the top man in our sport,the #1 p4p king do it?? team pacquiao has made an unheard of demand of 10million per lbs in for the weigh in (which in my opinion far out weighs any requested mayweather has made)which mayweather agreed to immediately.......why did he agree?? because he knows full well he wont come in a single ounce over 147lbs so if manny knows full well there isnt a bad drop of blood in his body why doesnt he just agree to take the test. pacquiao shouldnt be refusing this he should be asking "how many pints do you want coz ive loads of it"!!!

good post CHE....Everybody would get on floyd if he didnt want to take these tests but the complete opposite because its manny.

Here is another thing that i dont get ...People calling floyd a fake , ducker, etc but fail to realize that he has won every fight without any illegal substance where as there were many fans loving Margarito when he steamrolled cotto , and just wanted Antonio to take out floyd mayweather jr.

Also with sugar shane , he was caught using illegal substance but everybody would love to see him take out floyd mayweather jr .

Now pacman, I am very much interested on the outcome of the fight and really want to know how these tests go because lets just say pacman is tested positive for illegal substance...

Why do some follow cheaters or praise them instead dont you think we should applaud the non-cheaters who dominate the sport fairly?

Obviously some fans dont know that their fighter has cheated until proven guilty but even after proof , some fans want to see margarito or even sugar shane just destroy mayweather jr. We all make mistakes i can understand this and i guess some have forgiven these fighters who cheated but why attack a
non-cheater who has displayed the sweet science of the sport ?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 23, 2009, 03:32:13 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johnny-benjamin/were-supposed-to-believe_b_401569.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johnny-benjamin/were-supposed-to-believe_b_401569.html)
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spam's senior boxing writer, Dan Rafael, reported that on the eve of signing the contract for boxing's biggest mega-fight in decades, Manny Pacquiao (not Floyd Mayweather) is balking at a provision for Olympic-style testing for performance enhancing drugs (PED's) and threatening to walk away.

The potential mega-mega-fight between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao is seen by all in the boxing and the sports communities as having the ability to surpass all known monetary standards. This fight is expected to sell approximately 3 million pay-per-views (ppv's); with ppv's expected to sell for at least $50 each, you can easily begin to calculate the magnitude of money potentially generated by this sporting spectacle.

All of the usual sticking points have apparently been settled: fighters split of proceeds (purse), site (MGM Garden Arena...sorry Jerry Jones and Dallas Cowboy Stadium), the date (March 13th), weight limit and financial penalties for being over the weight limit. Therefore, it begs to question- Why would Manny Pacquiao hesitate and jeopardize the largest payday in modern boxing history?

Pacquiao apparently feels that the current Nevada State Athletic Commission's standards are adequate. He also states that he hates to have his blood drawn as required by Olympic-style testing, known as WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency or US Anti-Doping Agency) testing. Furthermore, he is superstitious and has never undergone this procedure before any of his other major fights.

A bit of information is in order to help better divine his possible true motivation.

I will not bore you with the minutia but the most glaring differences between Nevada's process and WADA's are: the samples being tested, the level of scrutiny and what substances can be easily detected in those samples. Simply put. Nevada tests urine and WADA tests blood for banned substances.

Testing urine can find an illegal drop in a bucket. Testing blood can find an illegal drop in an Olympic-size swimming pool. Possibly far more important, current urine testing does NOT test for Human Growth Hormone (Hgh) and blood testing does.

Athletes in general and fighters in specific are definitely superstitious and no one likes getting their blood drawn. But let's be honest. If this fight takes place, each fighter stand's to make around $50 million...win lose or draw.

And the last time that I checked there is a recession going on.
 
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Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Chris on December 23, 2009, 03:53:38 PM
Jeff Mayweather's Facebook status says:

Biggest fight in history is off because Manny refuses to be tested Olympic style testing he supposed to be one of the good guys of boxing if he had nothing to hide he would simply take at any time its asked of him. When I was fighting you would take blood test two weeks before a fight not six weeks sounds like something to hide to me and any true Manny (fan) would have to question his stance also


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 03:59:06 PM
Jeff Mayweather's Facebook status says:

Biggest fight in history is off because Manny refuses to be tested Olympic style testing he supposed to be one of the good guys of boxing if he had nothing to hide he would simply take at any time its asked of him. When I was fighting you would take blood test two weeks before a fight not six weeks sounds like something to hide to me and any true Manny (fan) would have to question his stance also

Correction Manny's not refusing the olympic style testing, it's the timing that he doesn't agree with he's all for it when it comes to drawing blood from him as long as it's before the training starts and right after the fight. Not two days or a day before a fight. PBF should just go back to fighting in the amateurs if he's so insistent in having an olympic style testing.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 04:00:59 PM
Latest news from the philippines, news is in english.  :)

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Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: PildiLagiMo on December 23, 2009, 04:03:53 PM
I don't think anybody on here has said Manny takes steriods - most have said they think he is clean.

The real issue is that this is such a minor trivial thing - get it done and get the fight on.

well the real issue here for pac is he believes in 100% natural. he never takes any meds when sick, does not even take advil when in pain, has never had shots as a kid, never did food supplements until ariza came. he believes in hardwork and total dedication and probably attributes his annusual power to this purity. psychologically i think pac feels he is crossing a line by having blood drawn. floyd hit the jackpot and hit pacs achilles heels in his endless effort to get pac to backdown from a fight. whereas pac's demands have been honest to goodness boxing related requests, floyds are thinly veiled trump cards to get off the hook. i really hope pacs team (ariza and roach) are able to convince pac this is a trivial thing.

the upside i see of this is that pac may hedge and hew a little bit longer so floyd becomes totally convinced its a no go. by the time pac gives in, they will be left with nothing else to demand.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 23, 2009, 04:05:29 PM
Correction Manny's not refusing the olympic style testing, it's the timing that he doesn't agree with he's all for it when it comes to drawing blood from him as long as it's before the training starts and right after the fight. Not two days or a day before a fight. PBF should just go back to fighting in the amateurs if he's so insistent in having an olympic style testing.

Do you honestly, honestly think that Pacquiao is 100% blameless here Fil and it is all Mayweather's fault?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 23, 2009, 04:07:15 PM
Are we all missing something here?


How many times was Hatton Vs Pac on, off, on, off etc

I believe this could well be part of the publicity strategy to get the buzz growing for this fight

Either that or Manny has something to hide.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 23, 2009, 04:08:14 PM
Thing is Gibbo, this was a fight which needed no hyping.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 23, 2009, 04:09:26 PM
whereas pac's demands have been honest to goodness boxing related requests, floyds are thinly veiled trump cards to get off the hook.

That right there is the worst post ive read in a while. Get your rose tinted glasses off will you, pac is just as much to blame in all these negotiations.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 23, 2009, 04:10:57 PM
Thing is Gibbo, this was a fight which needed no hyping.

To you and me and other boxing fans of course, this is about getting the extra millions of people who previously werent bothered.

Why have 3 million paperview buys if you can get 4, 5 or 6?

It will always need hype, even more so with a big fight as its easier to raise the numbers


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 04:11:07 PM
Do you honestly, honestly think that Pacquiao is 100% blameless here Fil and it is all Mayweather's fault?

blameless for what? using steroids? what do you have to go by? Floyd sr's accusations? besides I'm just correcting that post, Manny didn't refuse the olympic style testing that is clear. It's the timing that he didn't agree with.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 04:11:51 PM
To you and me and other boxing fans of course, this is about getting the extra millions of people who previously werent bothered.

Why have 3 million paperview buys if you can get 4, 5 or 6?

It will always need hype, even more so with a big fight as its easier to raise the numbers

true enough, expect an announcement next week! :)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 23, 2009, 04:16:23 PM
blameless for what? using steroids? what do you have to go by? Floyd sr's accusations? besides I'm just correcting that post, Manny didn't refuse the olympic style testing that is clear. It's the timing that he didn't agree with.

No, I mean for balking at this request and for the fight potentially being off for what is a trivial thing.

Do you think this is such a hugely unreasonable request from Mayweather that Pac Man is well within his rights to say no?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Romanopapa on December 23, 2009, 04:16:55 PM
To you and me and other boxing fans of course, this is about getting the extra millions of people who previously werent bothered.

Why have 3 million paperview buys if you can get 4, 5 or 6?

It will always need hype, even more so with a big fight as its easier to raise the numbers

Might very well be.  Even CNN, yahoosports, etc. are on it already and we're still 3 months off it.  These people are good.....


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: ManilaReds on December 23, 2009, 04:20:55 PM
No, I mean for balking at this request and for the fight potentially being off for what is a trivial thing.

Do you think this is such a hugely unreasonable request from Mayweather that Pac Man is well within his rights to say no?

Question, why was this demand not part of the T&C's when Bob was in Manila with the offer on the table for Manny to agree to wich he subsequently did?

Mannys stance would have been the same then as it is now

Just another smokescreen created by Team Mayweather to allow their guy to have a warm up fight in UK


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 23, 2009, 04:21:10 PM
pacman wont do a drugs test so that makes mayweather afraid // what planet are these ppl on?? mayweather has agreed to all the terms,its pacquiao thats holding this show up.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 04:21:22 PM
No, I mean for balking at this request and for the fight potentially being off for what is a trivial thing.

Do you think this is such a hugely unreasonable request from Mayweather that Pac Man is well within his rights to say no?

do you think it's unreasonable for Pac for requesting the blood test to be done before training and after the fight? I don't think HGH or steroids can be completely cleared from your bloodstream in a matter of hours.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 04:22:18 PM
Question, why was this demand not part of the T&C's when Bob was in Manila with the offer on the table for Manny to agree to wich he subsequently did?

Mannys stance would have been the same then as it is now

Just another smokescreen created by Team Mayweather to allow their guy to have a warm up fight in UK

get ready Mathew Hatton!!!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Socrates on December 23, 2009, 04:26:25 PM
do you think it's unreasonable for Pac for requesting the blood test to be done before training and after the fight? I don't think HGH or steroids can be completely cleared from your bloodstream in a matter of hours.

to be honest, I don't know anywhere near enough about this stuff to get into a debate for it. But if they did it in the Olympics and in other sports surely it can't be that bad?

I just can't get my head round this - and I presume it's a cultural and superstition thing. It seems so strange that something like this could affect such a huge fight.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 23, 2009, 04:27:08 PM

Pacquiao apparently feels that the current Nevada State Athletic Commission's standards are adequate. He also states that he hates to have his blood drawn as required by Olympic-style testing, known as WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency or US Anti-Doping Agency) testing. Furthermore, he is superstitious and has never undergone this procedure before any of his other major fights.


Pacman feels Nevada State Athletic Commision is adequate for the Olympic drug testing but not adequate on thes size of the gloves ?  ;D  ;)

Rules in Nevada are 10 oz gloves but pacman only wants to fight in 8oz gloves.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 23, 2009, 04:29:08 PM

roach is talking utter tosh again as usual, how do you make out that mayweather is a coward coz his man is "afraid" of needles...then he goes on to ask who he thinks he is making up his own rules, pretty cheap coming from a man who practically wanted cotto blindfolded on nov 14th.


Lol at the 'Needles' comment  ;D

There is some truth with respect to Roach being contradictory about 'rule-making', he has become a bit Like Louis Walsh on the X-Factor ( ;D ;D ;D) so he has to be careful when accusing team mayweather of doing the same...



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 04:37:52 PM
Pacman feels Nevada State Athletic Commision is adequate for the Olympic drug testing but not adequate on thes size of the gloves ?  ;D  ;)

Rules in Nevada are 10 oz gloves but pacman only wants to fight in 8oz gloves.

LOL like I said if PBF want's olympic testing and rules he should just go back and fight in the amateurs, hey 2012 is not too far away!  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 23, 2009, 05:14:49 PM
Like Gibbo has said, some on here must have permanent rose tinted glasses.

I have spoken to a few friends regarding this who are into body building and are frequent steriod users.

Steriods stay in your system from 1 week to anywhere up to 1 year. There are now also products out there that can block screen these during testing such as certain liquid drinks.

I fully believe if you have nothing to hide then there is no problem with having a blood or urine test. The amount they can only take at one time is a maximum tablespoon but its rarely that much.

Take a test a week previous to the fight and right after the fight.

Everyone here is going on after PBF for asking this, he has agreed to everything that has been asked of him so far inc the testing, The Gloves, The Weight etc but one of the main things that has to be fully 100% fine is the doping tests, the supposed GOD that is Manny Pacquaio is now refusing this.

So why question Floyd when it should be Pacquaio? :-\


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 23, 2009, 05:22:25 PM
I dont see what can be so hard on having a few needles or whatever he will be requiered to do, surely doing it for the sake of making 35/40 million dollars makes it all worth while.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 05:31:15 PM
Like Gibbo has said, some on here must have permanent rose tinted glasses.

I have spoken to a few friends regarding this who are into body building and are frequent steriod users.

Steriods stay in your system from 1 week to anywhere up to 1 year. There are now also products out there that can block screen these during testing such as certain liquid drinks.

I fully believe if you have nothing to hide then there is no problem with having a blood or urine test. The amount they can only take at one time is a maximum tablespoon but its rarely that much.

Take a test a week previous to the fight and right after the fight.

Everyone here is going on after PBF for asking this, he has agreed to everything that has been asked of him so far inc the testing, The Gloves, The Weight etc but one of the main things that has to be fully 100% fine is the doping tests, the supposed GOD that is Manny Pacquaio is now refusing this.
So why question Floyd when it should be Pacquaio? :-\

please read the reports and get your facts straight, Pac is not refusing the blood test what he wants is when it's to be done which is at the beginning of the presscon and right after the fight. If what you say is true that steroids can stay in the body between 1 week to a year then what's the harm in doing the blood test during the presscon and right after the fight? also Pac has agreed to random urine test all throughout the training camp for this fight.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on December 23, 2009, 05:37:44 PM
the point roach is making is that cutting / bleeding / giving blood will release endophines, similar to having sex right? i can see his point of view that he wants to keep his fighter at the optimum fight condition



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 23, 2009, 05:38:03 PM
They should sit them both opposite each other with the needles in and get that twerp max Kellerman to do a face to face think like he did Manny/Cotto, that way we can see who squirms more and therfor find out who will win  the fight.  ;D  ;)

Must say Fil i honestly dont see how Manny can refuse this or even the timing i mean what difference would it make, Floyd is willing to have it so it does paint a bad pic of manny whichever way you spin it imo. I just hope common sense prevails.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 05:42:53 PM
They should sit them both opposite each other with the needles in and get that twerp max Kellerman to do a face to face think like he did Manny/Cotto, that way we can see who squirms more and therfor find out who will win  the fight.  ;D  ;)

Must say Fil i honestly dont see how Manny can refuse this or even the timing i mean what difference would it make, Floyd is willing to have it so it does paint a bad pic of manny whichever way you spin it imo. I just hope common sense prevails.

well you and I aren't the ones who's gonna be fighting in the ring so Manny and his team knows what's best for him, besides it only puts Manny in a bad light in the minds of the people who's already been doubting him since day one. LOL should we also presume that Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran and SRL also used drugs on their way up the weight divisions then?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 23, 2009, 05:55:36 PM
I have concluded that the following will be sufficient:

  • A blood test will be administered immediately AFTER the fight...

    Weekly urine tests will be administered up until the fight...

GBP / Top Rank take note...I have solved the problem for you...now go forth and announce the fight!!!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 23, 2009, 05:57:36 PM
well you and I aren't the ones who's gonna be fighting in the ring so Manny and his team knows what's best for him, besides it only puts Manny in a bad light in the minds of the people who's already been doubting him since day one. LOL should we also presume that Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran and SRL also used drugs on their way up the weight divisions then?

It has nothing to do with us fighting or not, Freddie is not going to be fighting so does that devalue his opinion?
It has nothing to do with doubting Manny i just dont see if he is then why he is making such a big fuss over what only seems a minor requirment, do you think Duran and Leonard would have refused the test?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 05:58:19 PM
I have concluded that a blood test immediately AFTER the fight will be sufficient...

Weekly urine tests can be administered up until the fight...

GBP / Top Rank take note...I have solved the problem for you...now go forth and announce the fight!!!

LOL but team PBF wanted the blood taken out of Manny two days or a day before the fight lems.  ;D

I bet when PBF sees that Manny ain't budging to his demands on when the blood testing should happen and calls the fight off PBF will agree with the terms that team Pac is suggesting about the blood tests and the fight is on!!  :) ;)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 06:03:16 PM
It has nothing to do with us fighting or not, Freddie is not going to be fighting so does that devalue his opinion?
It has nothing to do with doubting Manny i just dont see if he is then why he is making such a big fuss over what only seems a minor requirment, do you think Duran and Leonard would have refused the test?

wouldn't know for sure since I ain't them and they get tested by the commission anyway the way Manny has been tested time and time again every time he fights in the states.....I would've thought people here ain't as gullible as actually believing the accusations thrown to Manny by a former crackhead and a drug dealer but you know they got nothing else bad to say about Pac so they try to find one.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: lacson on December 23, 2009, 06:05:40 PM
It's funny how people are dissing Pacman, when it's Mayweather who's suddenly making up new rules. The only testing Pacman is required to do is the Nevada Commission's, and personally I think Pacman should stick with that. Who the hell is Mayweather that he needs to make up new rules. Will this be his new demands for every fight he goes into?

Having said that, Pacman is willing to give blood up to 30 days before and right after the fight and urine as much as they want, but he does not want to lose blood during intensive training as this weakens him. They're talking about taking blood randomly up to 5 times and they couldn't guarantee that they will not take blood 24 hrs before the fight.

We only have so much blood in our system and every drop is precious for a fighter, you would also think that a bigger Mayweather who's taller with longer limbs would have more blood than the shorter and smaller Pacman and would have a ratio advantage when the same amount of blood is taken out.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 23, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
wouldn't know for sure since I ain't them and they get tested by the commission anyway the way Manny has been tested time and time again every time he fights in the states.....I would've thought people here ain't as gullible as actually believing the accusations thrown to Manny by a former crackhead and a drug dealer but you know they got nothing else bad to say about Pac so they try to find one.

I would of thought it would have played into Manny's hands to just say feck it then ill take the test then when as i would expect he passes it, just maybe it plants that seed of doubt in Floyds mind.
I think and hope Manny's passes this test if it does happen because if he did not it would spoil one if the greatest careers ever seen in a boxing ring, it would also leave boxing more on the ropes than ever before imo.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: dave j on December 23, 2009, 06:13:42 PM
im sure the olympic test is alot more thorough and will detect even the smallest amount of any banned substance


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AndyE on December 23, 2009, 06:14:45 PM
I understand the point of views from both fighters... and keep in mind that both their opinions or feelings towards the matter have to be respected. However, it seems to very much be random play at the moment hyping the fight. I believe this issue will be resolved very soon why would something as silly as this make Floyd want to miss out on up to $40,000,000? Same goes for Pacman imagine how much good he could do with that kind of money to help him give more aid the the Philippines city's that were hit by the typhoons and also to help his campaign. The issue should be resolved as said above; urine tests before the fight and blood test immediately after the contest, why? Well if Manny was on any kind of enhancement drug it will show up after the fight so really it makes not real difference whether the test is before or after the bout. I personally do not believe he is on anything but you never know in this game and I can see exactly why Mayweather wants the test to be done.

This is not an issue at all where one fighter is trying to stop the fight or is ducking the other; like most situations in the build up towards bouts fighters are wanting an equal say in what happens in the lead up to the fight. It happens in most big time events but because this fight is so hyped and everyone needs to know the ins and out, we are hearing everything that is being discussed.

As most people know I am a fan of both fighters but more of a Floyd fan and it's not a case of trying to make one look like the bad guy; it's a case of both fighters getting a fair treatment in the lead up to the fight; the whole issue on this drug testing is simply resolved... immediately after the bout and urine tests... surely neither fighter will say no to this.

Andy.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: lacson on December 23, 2009, 06:24:00 PM
Blood loss will affect Pacman's game and performance more drastically than Mayweather's because of the way Pacman fights. With his style, Pacman likes to throw constantly and is an energizer bunny whereas Mayweather would rather be passive and throw the least amount if he can.  That's why this is an advantage, Mayweather is trying to get a less than 100% Pacman in the ring.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 23, 2009, 06:29:55 PM
Blood loss will affect Pacman's game and performance more drastically than Mayweather's because of the way Pacman fights. With his style, Pacman likes to throw constantly and is an energizer bunny whereas Mayweather would rather be passive and throw the least amount if he can.  That's why this is an advantage, Mayweather is trying to get a less than 100% Pacman in the ring.

like manny did with oscar and cotto....... //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: fil1979 on December 23, 2009, 06:41:57 PM
like manny did with oscar and cotto....... //

lol there's always excuses bro, Manny beats oscar he's weight drained then he goes on and blast Ricky in two ricky was overtrained/red mist/dehyrated, not properly trained etc...Manny goes on a beat the living daylights out of Cotto and cotto's weight drained/over the hill/shot etc...etc...see the pattern here? only sore losers make up excuses.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AndyE on December 23, 2009, 06:46:36 PM
lol there's always excuses bro, Manny beats oscar he's weight drained then he goes on and blast Ricky in two ricky was overtrained/red mist/dehyrated, not properly trained etc...Manny goes on a beat the living daylights out of Cotto and cotto's weight drained/over the hill/shot etc...etc...see the pattern here? only sore losers make up excuses.

I'm not sure but I've personally never heard anyone say that about Cotto really; people say he was not the same after the Margarito bout but I don't think this is true it's all about opponents and styles not about losing and all of a sudden becoming less of a fighter. I think it is fair to say that there was an excuse with Oscar and maybe Hatton but not so much in my opinion but not with Cotto.

Andy.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 23, 2009, 07:11:27 PM
We only have so much blood in our system and every drop is precious for a fighter, you would also think that a bigger Mayweather who's taller with longer limbs would have more blood than the shorter and smaller Pacman and would have a ratio advantage when the same amount of blood is taken out.

hahaha, what another ridiculous post!

They would take no more than a tablespoon from what we are told and if you didnt know already if you lose blood your body will create more


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mattbaker1510 on December 23, 2009, 07:17:28 PM
It seems a lot of people are missing the crucial point within the Olympic testing system.  The testing a random.  Steroids can be used when you know when you are going to be tested and urine samples never show all steriods and are often easily faked.  I am not saying Manny is on steriods BUT anyone not wanting to be randomly screened by blood and urine raises my suspicions.

Of course the other option is that rumours of steriods in the Manny camp have been thrown around and the PR team are simply jumping on the bandwagon.  Personally I think the second option is more probable.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 07:33:07 PM
Let me make sure YET AGAIN for those REALLY hard headed pacqueeraio fans out there that they understand something... Fil make sure you are reading this as well since you are talking about "the timing" of the tests... below is a whole list of enhancing drugs that can be taken and the amout of time needed before it will NOT show up in on a test....


3 to 6 Weeks

Primobolan Depot, Anavar, Winstrol/Stanozolol (oral), Nilevar, Parabolan, Dianabol (oral), D-Bol (oral), and testosterone Propionate are compounds that move through and work the system very rapidly. These move through the system at a faster rate, and the same goes for the anabolic results acquired from using them.

One Week or Less

Testosterone Undeconoate (Andriol) and Clenbuterol can clear the system in a day or less. These compounds are great to use up to the week before a powerlifting or bodybuilding show. Testosterone Suspension will clears the system in three days.

So let's make sure we get this all straight. Roach himself says they will walk away, go up and fight paper champ Foreman NOT Martinez mind you... but Foreman for how much at most? 8 million? That seems like even that is on the high side, but we'll give it the benefit of the doubt. Now with just a FEW needles, they could fight and make 25 million a piece, and then possibly 35-45 million once all the PPV revenue comes in.

Now to the completely unbiased person... doesn't that seem just a little bit strange? Just a little?

Oh yeah and Manny is afraid of needles... fine a lot of people are, but yet he just got another tattoo before the Cotto fight... again, he can get a tattoo and he's ok with being stuck a bunch of times, but not once for a test?

Oh and one other thing... the olympic style testing picks up HGH, one that the NSAC DOES NOT. So I ask again... what is the problem ?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 07:38:00 PM
lol there's always excuses bro, Manny beats oscar he's weight drained then he goes on and blast Ricky in two ricky was overtrained/red mist/dehyrated, not properly trained etc...Manny goes on a beat the living daylights out of Cotto and cotto's weight drained/over the hill/shot etc...etc...see the pattern here? only sore losers make up excuses.

and yet AGAIN Fil you have yet to answer what Roach himself said... i'll say it again on here just to make you look stupid because it's fun. Roach admitted Oscar was weight drained, and BEFORE manny fought Cotto Roach said "Cotto is damaged goods" Again.. his own trainer admits this, yet you can't.. you are a pathetic poster on here and offer no logic other than if manny is doing it, does it, has done it, whatever else it's fine and great.

Maybe you would like to actually get some CC's back and admit that at least Oscar was simply shot and COMPLETELY weight drained. Oh yeah, and Freedie even said that Oscar had needle marks in his arm from trying to rehydrate... yet he fought anyway because he's got heart. Do you REALLY think Freedie would like manny fight in that condition?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 23, 2009, 08:16:41 PM
At first I thought the "manny being scared of needles" was laughable for a man of his stature but I have just remembered that Nigel Benn was, in fact, scared of CAT scans!

I had to have one done myself and the doctor who did mine did Benn's and Benn apparently asked "will it hurt?" and was edgy about having it done.

It just goes to show boxers have irrational fears too.

I just, sincerely, hope that not many people off this forum have booked flights and hotels.



Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 23, 2009, 08:18:03 PM
hahaha, what another ridiculous post!

They would take no more than a tablespoon from what we are told and if you didnt know already if you lose blood your body will create more

iq gibbo

bottom line gibbo the ones protecting pacman are obviously his fans and the pacman camp. Blood regenerates in 24 hours back to normal so what is the freaking problem of drawing blood out 30 days before a fight !!!

What is more interesting is that pacman wants the test done at the press conference time when he hasnt even started training ? What is the point ? These drug tests should be issued while boxers are training because they dont want boxers to get on these illegal substances while training.

I really do hope they implement these tests and just move on towards the fight . THere is no excuse not to have these tests for a huge fight like this.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 23, 2009, 08:20:41 PM
and yet AGAIN Fil you have yet to answer what Roach himself said... i'll say it again on here just to make you look stupid because it's fun. Roach admitted Oscar was weight drained, and BEFORE manny fought Cotto Roach said "Cotto is damaged goods" Again.. his own trainer admits this, yet you can't.. you are a pathetic poster on here and offer no logic other than if manny is doing it, does it, has done it, whatever else it's fine and great.

Maybe you would like to actually get some CC's back and admit that at least Oscar was simply shot and COMPLETELY weight drained. Oh yeah, and Freedie even said that Oscar had needle marks in his arm from trying to rehydrate... yet he fought anyway because he's got heart. Do you REALLY think Freedie would like manny fight in that condition?

De La Hoya

De La Hoya was obviously weight-drained, but it's not just down to the fact that the guy hadn't fought at 147 for several years, in my opinion he did himself no favours by failing to re-hydrate sufficiently after the weigh-in...he weighed in at 145 and came into the ring at 147, the man was basically a walking skeleton but that was his own doing, he should have come into the ring at a more natural weight...on paper, I can see the logic behind coming into the ring light (i.e. speed) but he left himself as a dead man in the ring...he proceeded with the fight not just because he has heart, but because he stood to make a lot of money as well...

As I said at the time, the most impressive thing about Pac's victory against De La Hoya was the fact that he was able to carry up his speed, punch power and generally looked excellent at the weight in himself (i.e. IMO he would have beaten a prime 147 De La Hoya that night, but it would of course have been a far more competitive fight)...

Hatton


In terms of weight-draining, Hatton can make NO EXCUSES as 140 is his prime weight and he was THE MAN at the weight...I think the key downfall for Hatton in that fight (and again as I said at the time) as the fact that Pac fight came far too early in terms of bedding down his new fighting style with his work alongside Floyd Snr. I said at the time that Hatton's 'mental model' would become confused, and wouldn't be suprised if he got taken out early as a result...as soon as Hatton started getting hit repeatedly from a range of angles he looked like a rabbit in the headlights and the end was inevitable. Floyd Snr's verbal dressing down of Hatton at the end of round one provides clear evidence of my 'mental model' point...

Cotto

I predicted a stoppage for Pac, but as evidenced by my posts on here prior to the fight, I firmly believed that Pac would get rid of him within four rounds (and when you look at the fight, Pac probably would have done had Cotto not gone on the backfoot and went into survival mode)...people on here believed that I was crazy for such a prediction, but it was obvious to me that Cotto was indeed 'damaged goods' as stated by Roach...the guy has been in too many wars (Torres, Judah, Margarito, Clottey), he had to come down to 145, he is slow of foot, and all of these factors made it obvious to me that he wouldn't be able to compete with Pac, hence why I didn't get carried away after this particular victory...nonetheless, it was still an excellent victory but must be placed into the right context...

Conclusion

If these factors take away from the achievements of Pac then so be it...In-spite of the above points, I celebrate in Pac's victories...

Nit-picking can be done with respect to any fighter, including Mayweather...let's look at Floyd's biggest victories...

- Mayweather beat a Genaro Hernandez who was on the brink of retirement

- Mayweather beat a weight-drained Corrales

- Mayweather only scraped past a Castillo who been involved in a couple of real wars (although the biggest wars with Corrales were to follow)

- Mayweather beat a shopworn Gatti who had already been involved in a number of wars (i.e. Ward, Robinson, Manfredy etc)

- Mayweather beat a Zab Judah who as coming off a loss to Baldimir

- Mayweather beat a Baldomir who already had 10 losses and was just a crude, slow of foot fighter in any case

- Mayweather beat a De La Hoya who had only one fight in almost three years and was basically a full-time promoter at that point

- Mayweather beat a Hatton who was clearly fighting above his prime weight (and who didn't look good in his sole other fight at 147 against Collazo)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 23, 2009, 08:32:26 PM

- Mayweather beat a Genaro Hernandez who was on the brink of retirement

- Mayweather beat a weight-drained Corrales

- Mayweather only scraped past a Castillo who been involved in a couple of real wars (although the biggest wars with Corrales were to follow)

- Mayweather beat a shopworn Gatti who had already been involved in a number of wars (i.e. Ward, Robinson, Manfredy etc)

- Mayweather beat a Zab Judah who as coming off a loss to Baldimir

- Mayweather beat a Baldomir who already had 10 losses and was just a crude, slow of foot fighter in any case

- Mayweather beat a De La Hoya who had only one fight in almost three years and was basically a full-time promoter at that point

- Mayweather beat a Hatton who was clearly fighting above his prime weight (and who didn't look good in his sole other fight at 147 against Collazo)

Mayweather beat a weight drain coralles ? Coralles was fighting most of his career at 130 and was undefeated , what are you talking about weight drained ? Right after he got dominated then he decided to move up.

Then you say mayweather fought a castillo that has been in many wars ? Umm. news flash , he fought castillo like in 2002 where he was fresh and didnt even have too many wars until 2005 with coralles.

Im not going to bother with you anymore since your out to get mayweather jr but the other statements in your post are nonsense as well.

case closed


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: LondonRingRules on December 23, 2009, 08:35:07 PM
im sure the olympic test is alot more thorough and will detect even the smallest amount of any banned substance

--------- If Floydy wants Olympic style testing, let the poor boy try out for the US Olympic team.

He don't want Manny and won't find him there, a perfect fit for Floydy's comeback and his uncle Rog.

Pro boxing don't need uncle Rog storming the ring causing another riot so Floydy can finish a fight on his feet. That's grounds for a DQ and suspension right there.

Crack daddy Senior and Rog are already cracking under pressure. Make team Floydy pass an Olympic style drug testing program as well to prove they're actually competent to provide professional level training. We don't want Floydy injured through their incompetence.

There's also too much money at stake to have Floydy reschedule the fight so he can retire again before fighting like he did to Oscar last time. How's about a psych test for team Floydy to make sure they are mentally stable enough to see the fight through? Any one of them could be tossed in the slammer tomorrow just looking at their rap sheets.

Likely the fight was never a reality, but rather a phantasm passing in the night that stirred up the wildlife. Time for Manny to move on and choose between the Marquez rubber or Foreman's 154 belt. Same money, less headaches, now there's the ticket......................... 8)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Shawn on December 23, 2009, 08:38:48 PM
I Think Its Wierd, Only Because Freddie And Pacman Both Know The Accusations Being Thrown At Them Over The Last Year Or So, So To Reject This Is Strange, If Flloyd Had To Agree To That Huge Loss For Every Pound Overweight He Was Because Team Pacman Sense Flloyd Will Search For Advantage, Why Shouldn't Pac Be Tested Because Team Mayweather Sense This Could Be An Advantage, This Fight Is Huge But Would You Risk Your Undefeated Record To Someone Not Willing To Test At Anytime???

Whats Will Happen Now Is If Pacman Agrees To These Tests And Gets Destroyed Everyone Will Think Steriods In The Fights Before But If He Agrees And Wins Now He Has Proven The Point, So Why Wouldn't He Agree,


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 23, 2009, 08:41:05 PM
I Think Its Wierd, Only Because Freddie And Pacman Both Know The Accusations Being Thrown At Them Over The Last Year Or So, So To Reject This Is Strange, If Flloyd Had To Agree To That Huge Loss For Every Pound Overweight He Was Because Team Pacman Sense Flloyd Will Search For Advantage, Why Shouldn't Pac Be Tested Because Team Mayweather Sense This Could Be An Advantage, This Fight Is Huge But Would You Risk Your Undefeated Record To Someone Not Willing To Test At Anytime???

Whats Will Happen Now Is If Pacman Agrees To These Tests And Gets Destroyed Everyone Will Think Steriods In The Fights Before But If He Agrees And Wins Now He Has Proven The Point, So Why Wouldn't He Agree,

Good points , agree %100


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 23, 2009, 08:44:49 PM
Mayweather beat a weight drain coralles ? Coralles was fighting most of his career at 130 and was undefeated , what are you talking about weight drained ? Right after he got dominated then he decided to move up.

Then you say mayweather fought a castillo that has been in many wars ? Umm. news flash , he fought castillo like in 2002 where he was fresh and didnt even have too many wars until 2005 with coralles.

Im not going to bother with you anymore since your out to get mayweather jr but the other statements in your post are nonsense as well.

case closed

Calm down Keegan  ;D, I can assure you that I am not out to get Mayweather. I am actually a fan of Mayweather as well and I was demonstrating is that you can nit-pick the achievements of any fighter...

In answer to your specific points...

Castillo - Castillo had been involved in wars before the Mayweather fight...he had two great fights with Stevie Johnson plus several wars with lesser known fighters in Mexico...have you not seen any of his fights pre-Mayweather???

Corrales - Corrales WAS weight-drained in the Mayweather fight...he conceded this himself after the fight and everyone in the industry knew it anyway...in any case, just look at his face in that fight, it's plainly obvious that he didn't look healthy...

To say that my other points are nonsense is laughable...if your going to say something like that, at least back it up with some form of valid argument then just a flimsy statement...


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Faulks on December 23, 2009, 08:47:18 PM
--------- If Floydy wants Olympic style testing, let the poor boy try out for the US Olympic team.

He don't want Manny and won't find him there, a perfect fit for Floydy's comeback and his uncle Rog.

Pro boxing don't need uncle Rog storming the ring causing another riot so Floydy can finish a fight on his feet. That's grounds for a DQ and suspension right there.

Crack daddy Senior and Rog are already cracking under pressure. Make team Floydy pass an Olympic style drug testing program as well to prove they're actually competent to provide professional level training. We don't want Floydy injured through their incompetence.

There's also too much money at stake to have Floydy reschedule the fight so he can retire again before fighting like he did to Oscar last time. How's about a psych test for team Floydy to make sure they are mentally stable enough to see the fight through? Any one of them could be tossed in the slammer tomorrow just looking at their rap sheets.

Likely the fight was never a reality, but rather a phantasm passing in the night that stirred up the wildlife. Time for Manny to move on and choose between the Marquez rubber or Foreman's 154 belt. Same money, less headaches, now there's the ticket......................... 8)


Mmmm


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on December 23, 2009, 08:49:40 PM
http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12602_5795600,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12602_5795600,00.html)

roach on mayweather


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Haynesey on December 23, 2009, 08:50:19 PM
Calm down Keegan  ;D, I can assure you that I am not out to get Mayweather. I am actually a fan of Mayweather as well and I was demonstrating is that you can nit-pick the achievements of any fighter...

In answer to your specific points...

Castillo - Castillo had been involved in wars before the Mayweather fight...he had two great fights with Stevie Johnson plus several wars with lesser known fighters in Mexico...have you not seen any of his fights pre-Mayweather???

Corrales - Corrales WAS weight-drained in the Mayweather fight...he conceded this himself after the fight and everyone in the industry knew it anyway...in any case, just look at his face in that fight, it's plainly obvious that he didn't look healthy...

To say that my other points are nonsense is laughable...if your going to say something like that, at least back it up with some form of valid argument then just a flimsy statement...

Spot on with both posts Lemon, IQ.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 23, 2009, 08:51:49 PM
GL: Why is Manny Pacquiao opposed to the Olympic style drug testing? "Don't give me this nonsese about the Olympic style drug testing. The Nevada Commission has drug testing prodcedures, and Mayweather, in order to find a way out of this fight, started this nonsense about having other tests taken. He is not the commissioner, the commission is the Nevada commission and they have jurisdiction over the fight. I pulled out of these negotiations three weeks ago becuase I wasn't going to put up with it, but Todd said that he would find a solution. First they agreed that Manny would do urine analysis until he couldn't piss anymore. Whenever they wanted he would piss, they agreed to take his blood before the press conference and after the fight. Then they appeased the little rascal even more by saying they would take it 30 days before. But nothing is good for Mayweather because he doesn't want the fight.

He knows that Manny has a phobia of putting needles in and extracting blood when it got close to the fight. He Knew that Pacquiao would't do it and he kept on insisting on it, but Pacquiao just won't do it. If you check with any boxing drug testing specialist.

"Len Satterfield quoted one of the biggest experts in the field, who has 800 football players, who said that sophisticated urine analysis is better than blood testing to detect steroids or anything else. This is just a nonsense issue raised by Mayweather in order to get into the fight."

GL: The whole superstition that Pacquiao has about..

Bob Arum: (cutting in) "It's not a superstition."

GL: That's what spam is saying.

BA: "I don't care what they call it. He feels that taking blood from him immediately beofre the fight or a few weeks before the fight. This is what he believes and this is what Freddie believe and we're not going to do it. End of story, case closed and we're going to be moving on to another opponent."

GL: My two part question is this, first off how soon before a fight would Pacquiao give his bloodwork for the HIV test and whatever medicals need to be conducted, and seconldy, what's the problem if the test is conducted after the fight?

BA: "We would agree to that, there isn't any. You're absolutely correct. HE would agree to the test immediately after the fight and he would give blood to the commission in the beginning of the year at the press conference, which had been scheduled for January 6. Even though we believe blood testing determines nothing, we would agree to do it after the fight, of course."

GL: And how soon before the fight would he normally get the bloodwork done for his medicals?

BA: "It depends on when he applied for the license. So in this case he would apply in January and do it in January."

GL: So none of this has anything to do with Manny's desire to run for congress.

BA: "Absolutely not. It won't interfere with the promotion, that was the point of doing it in March, but the point is, Floyd Mayweather is not the commission of boxing. Floyd Mayweather is under the jurisdiction, if we fight in Nevada, which I'm sure we would. To appease him we agreed to urine analysis and the blood test before the fight and after."

GL: Is now until March 13 enough time to promote what could be the biggest fight in boxing history?

BA: "I think it's a short window and I agree with you Greg. The biggest fight in boxing history was the first Ali-Frazier fight and that wasn't signed until the end of December and it happened on March 8. It's much more difficult to promote fights and get info out in those days, so the answer is it can be done, but moments are ticking off and the more this goes on, it's appearing less and less likely."

GL: You said that you're sure the fight would take place in Vegas. Does that mean they're offering more than the $25M Jerry Jones is offering to make the fight?

BA: "I don't want to get into it, but I think before this issue came to a head, I think both sides had agreed to do the fight at the MGM Grand."

GL: Can you give us some thoughts on Kelly's peformance?

BA: "I think everybody loved the show. Kelly needed a test like Espino because he had so much rust. Given the rust he had and the fact that Espino came out like a real warrior, I think he did really well."

GL: I spoke with Jack Loew and he made it clear that Pavlik will stay at middleweight and he wants to fight Paul Williams. Is that a realistic option?

BA: "FOr me it is. We had a contract on December 5, and it didn't happen because of Kelly's hand. We're willing to do it on HBO on the earliest possible opportunity, all they have to do is initial the old contract and it's done."

GL: Since Kelly's hand is healed, other than a serious fluke, you have no doubt the fight would come off?

BA: "Let me assure you Greg that Kelly was seriously injured. It sounds ridiculous that a finger could do this, but it was a staph infection and he nearly died. If you want to inspect the records from the Cleveland clinic, which is one of the foremost hospitals in the country we'll arrange for it.

GL: I think the issue people have has more to do with the fight being scheduled for December 5, it didn't happen on December 5. We watch Williams fight somebody else on December 5 and then Pavlik is back in the ring two weeks later.

BA: "That's right, because Kelly even on December 19 only had a month to prepare. He couldn't fight Williams on a two week training period, that would have been crazy."
 
GL: Unless a resolution is reached and agree to let Pacquiao take the tests when he's willing to take the tests, will there be a fight on March 13?

BA: "No. No. No. No. I think that's not in the cards."

GL: Closing thoughts?

BA: "Mayweather never had any intetion to fight Pacquiao and this demonstrates it.



http://boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=18939 (http://boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=18939)
Suppose it puts a different spin on things, maybe manny is in the right.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 23, 2009, 08:55:09 PM
Calm down Keegan  ;D, I can assure you that I am not out to get Mayweather. I am actually a fan of Mayweather as well and I was demonstrating is that you can nit-pick the achievements of any fighter...

In answer to your specific points...

Castillo - Castillo had been involved in wars before the Mayweather fight...he had two great fights with Stevie Johnson plus several wars with lesser known fighters in Mexico...have you not seen any of his fights pre-Mayweather???

Corrales - Corrales WAS weight-drained in the Mayweather fight...he conceded this himself after the fight and everyone in the industry knew it anyway...in any case, just look at his face in that fight, it's plainly obvious that he didn't look healthy...

To say that my other points are nonsense is laughable...if your going to say something like that, at least back it up with some form of valid argument then just a flimsy statement...

OK lets go with DLH ...How you gonna bring up that fight when deep down you know he was ALIVE and more active against PBF than he was against pacman at 147 . Its not even a debate on which dlh was tougher to beat on those two nights.

It was MAYWEATHERS first fight at 154 !! He didnt have the option to wear his size of glove or BRAND OF GLOVES , he had to wear REYES gloves per DLH request.

Back to castillo, haha ...you said he fought guys from mexico ? Who are these guys ? haha dont answer please . Johnson were good fights but werent WARS like he had against CORALLES.

Castillo was fresh when he fought mayweather jr but you bring up lame excuses.

What makes you say coralles was weight drained when practically his whole career was fought at 130 but all of a sudden THE KING OF BOXING puts him in his place and now hes weight drained since his camp says so after the fight ?

Give it a rest huh .


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 23, 2009, 08:55:21 PM
If these issues are as serious as they seem terms of jeapordising the fight then i think its a total embarrasement to boxing as a whole, reasons aside now if the best are not going to fight the best then the sport might as well pack in.
Nobody really could give two shits about any fight now really other than this one, if it gets called of then the UFC will of had its biggest victory possible.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 23, 2009, 09:12:36 PM
OK lets go with DLH ...How you gonna bring up that fight when deep down you know he was ALIVE and more active against PBF than he was against pacman at 147 . Its not even a debate on which dlh was tougher to beat on those two nights.

It was MAYWEATHERS first fight at 154 !! He didnt have the option to wear his size of glove or BRAND OF GLOVES , he had to wear REYES gloves per DLH request.

Back to castillo, haha ...you said he fought guys from mexico ? Who are these guys ? haha dont answer please . Johnson were good fights but werent WARS like he had against CORALLES.

Castillo was fresh when he fought mayweather jr but you bring up lame excuses.

What makes you say coralles was weight drained when practically his whole career was fought at 130 but all of a sudden THE KING OF BOXING puts him in his place and now hes weight drained since his camp says so after the fight ?

Give it a rest huh .

With all due respect my Keegan, I think your affection for Mayweather is clouding your judgement somewhat...

Firstly, to re-iterate once again, I was making the point that...

The achievements of ANY FIGHTER can be nit-picked

Now, once again, onto your specific points...

Mayweather - De La Hoya

If you can point out where I have denied the fact that De La Hoya was more active, healthy and competitive against Mayweather, I would be greatly appreciative. I am well aware of the fact that 154 was a more comfortable weight for Oscar at the time in which he fought Floyd, and that Oscar basically had all the advantages going into that fight with respect to weight, gloves etc...still, none of that negates the fact that Oscar had only fought Mayorga in between fighting Floyd in 2007 and fighting Hopkins in 2004...I could have went even deeper and said that Floyd failed to deliver on his own expectations as evidenced on the 24/7 series (i.e. I'm a Ice that Motherfucker etc) because he clearly did not...

Castillo

Ask Castillo who gave him his toughest fight and I can GUARANTEE you that he wouldn't say it was Mayweather or Corrales (I 've seen the interview  ;D)...Castillo came up the hard way, away from the lightlight that was afforded other Mexican fighters a la Barrerra, Morales et al...just because you don't know who these Mexican fighters are is not to invalidate their worth...

Granted, the fights with Johnson were not on the level of the first Corrales fights, but they were tough fights for Castillo, so they couldn't exactly be described as tickling contests ;D

Corrales

What makes me say that Corrales was weight-drained in the Mayweather fight? Because I hear him say it himself in an interview  ;D

I think he was better positioned to answer that question than you or I...


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 23, 2009, 09:19:16 PM
My take on all this?
1.  Pacquiao has no need whatsoever to subject himself to any unnecessary tests outside that normally taken in any world title fight just because that stupid old tw*t Mayweather Snr has started a rumour with NO foundation at all
2.  If they call off the fight because of this, I save about £1500 minimum, and each of the boxers themselves lose millions of $ in income.  So I'm supposed to feel hard done by?  Go figure.  Let them play their silly games and call off the fight, there'll be plenty more like this in time


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 23, 2009, 09:21:26 PM
Manny should forget Mayweather and make even more boxing history by stepping up to 154lbs and beating Foreman. He should then step up to 160lbs and take on Kelly 'The Finger' Pavlik.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Jambonhead on December 23, 2009, 09:21:57 PM
Let me make sure YET AGAIN for those REALLY hard headed pacqueeraio fans out there that they understand something... Fil make sure you are reading this as well since you are talking about "the timing" of the tests... below is a whole list of enhancing drugs that can be taken and the amout of time needed before it will NOT show up in on a test....


3 to 6 Weeks

Primobolan Depot, Anavar, Winstrol/Stanozolol (oral), Nilevar, Parabolan, Dianabol (oral), D-Bol (oral), and testosterone Propionate are compounds that move through and work the system very rapidly. These move through the system at a faster rate, and the same goes for the anabolic results acquired from using them.



One Week or Less

Testosterone Undeconoate (Andriol) and Clenbuterol can clear the system in a day or less. These compounds are great to use up to the week before a powerlifting or bodybuilding show. Testosterone Suspension will clears the system in three days.

So let's make sure we get this all straight. Roach himself says they will walk away, go up and fight paper champ Foreman NOT Martinez mind you... but Foreman for how much at most? 8 million? That seems like even that is on the high side, but we'll give it the benefit of the doubt. Now with just a FEW needles, they could fight and make 25 million a piece, and then possibly 35-45 million once all the PPV revenue comes in.

Now to the completely unbiased person... doesn't that seem just a little bit strange? Just a little?

Oh yeah and Manny is afraid of needles... fine a lot of people are, but yet he just got another tattoo before the Cotto fight... again, he can get a tattoo and he's ok with being stuck a bunch of times, but not once for a test?

Oh and one other thing... the olympic style testing picks up HGH, one that the NSAC DOES NOT. So I ask again... what is the problem ?

CC good post, I myself am uncertain why pacman doesnt just take this deal.

In one mind i think if he has nothing to hide then why not accept for the prize of the career defining fight and chance to go down as the GOAT.

another mind says why should he have to go through something which could disrupt his training in some waay just to appease mayweathers paranioa.

Either way i dont care just as long as the fight gets made.

I think both fighters need to step up to the plate and make this happen, this fight makes or breaks both fighters legacy, and makes them more money than they can ever make in a single fight ever again


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: AO88 on December 23, 2009, 09:25:31 PM
My take on all this?
1.  Pacquiao has no need whatsoever to subject himself to any unnecessary tests outside that normally taken in any world title fight just because that stupid old tw*t Mayweather Snr has started a rumour with NO foundation at all
2.  If they call off the fight because of this, I save about £1500 minimum, and each of the boxers themselves lose millions of $ in income.  So I'm supposed to feel hard done by?  Go figure.  Let them play their silly games and call off the fight, there'll be plenty more like this in time

Cant see that mate if am honest, if we even have fighters as good as Floyd and Manny in the next good few years we will be lucky not to mention if they face each other.
I started a thread a while back asking is there any other mega fights after this one, my personal opinion is no in all honesty so i think boxing needs this fight to happen more than we realise.
Thats my take on it anyhow


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Keegan Jacobs on December 23, 2009, 09:35:26 PM
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Mayweather - De La Hoya

If you can point out where I have denied the fact that De La Hoya was more active, healthy and competitive against Mayweather, I would be greatly appreciative. I am well aware of the fact that 154 was a more comfortable weight for Oscar at the time in which he fought Floyd, and that Oscar basically had all the advantages going into that fight with respect to weight, gloves etc...still, none of that negates the fact that Oscar had only fought Mayorga in between fighting Floyd in 2007 and fighting Hopkins in 2004...I could have went even deeper and said that Floyd failed to deliver on his own expectations as evidenced on the 24/7 series (i.e. I'm a Ice that Motherfucker etc) because he clearly did not...

Your original post i thought you posted it because you were out to get mayweather jr and not pacman for fighting DLH but ok it looks like your giving mayweather jr more credit than pacman when they both fought DLH.

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Castillo

Ask Castillo who gave him his toughest fight and I can GUARANTEE you that he wouldn't say it was Mayweather or Corrales (I 've seen the interview  ;D)...Castillo came up the hard way, away from the lightlight that was afforded other Mexican fighters a la Barrerra, Morales et al...just because you don't know who these Mexican fighters are is not to invalidate their worth...

Granted, the fights with Johnson were not on the level of the first Corrales fights, but they were tough fights for Castillo, so they couldn't exactly be described as tickling contests ;D

WHy bring this up when every fighter has to go through tough fighters to reach the top ? You say castillo has been in tough fights because he likes to go TOE to TOE but i feel mayweather jr has been in tough fights but makes them look a little bit easier than castillo because of his skills . Trust me when i tell you, Mayweather jr was tested in his early days when coming up and passed all tests so to bring up these statements, i think they are uncalled for.


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Corrales

What makes me say that Corrales was weight-drained in the Mayweather fight? Because I hear him say it himself in an interview  ;D

I think he was better positioned to answer that question than you or I...

Funny he said that after a loss but not mention after his wins at the same weight for so many years.

Maybe im a bit frustrated that this fight wont be signed because of a simple drug test but even though im upset about it but i guess if its not meant to be then its not meant to be.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Bonters on December 23, 2009, 09:40:55 PM
Cant see that mate if am honest, if we even have fighters as good as Floyd and Manny in the next good few years we will be lucky not to mention if they face each other.
I started a thread a while back asking is there any other mega fights after this one, my personal opinion is no in all honesty so i think boxing needs this fight to happen more than we realise.
Thats my take on it anyhow

Oh, I know where you're coming from, don't get me wrong.  But I always think these guys start to take the punters for granted a little bit too much to be honest.  I'd love to see this fight made, but if it isn't, then I have little or no interest in Pacquiao's next fight and even less in Mayweather's!  Maybe they oughta learn that and take some notice?  I have no time for this pathetic rumour that Pacquiao is 'on something' and even less time for it because of the original source.  Pacman has fought by the rules all along and has been a remarkable force in the sport.  Now you get the Mayweather clan who just cannot accept that he has done it fair and square and so start an unfounded rumour that he is on roids.  And suddenly so many people think he should submit himself to loads of extraneous and ridiculous tests just to quell the furour of a slap-head junk dealer?  Do me a favour.  If there was even the slightest indication that there was any substance to the outrageous suggestion by Mayweather Snr about this, I might change my view.  But there isn't.  Nothing, not a shred.  And so Pacquiao should stand firm, and if that 'loses' Money Mayweather a fortune, good on him!  That's a victory in itself.  So then Floyd will go off and fight Matthew Hatton, eh?  Yeah, right, what an enormous fookin earner that'll be!   ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Wheelchair on December 23, 2009, 09:43:06 PM
You never know, to much procrastinating and the general public's interest may well switch to what's likely to happen in the Heavyweight division next year.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 09:48:07 PM
De La Hoya

De La Hoya was obviously weight-drained, but it's not just down to the fact that the guy hadn't fought at 147 for several years, in my opinion he did himself no favours by failing to re-hydrate sufficiently after the weigh-in...he weighed in at 145 and came into the ring at 147, the man was basically a walking skeleton but that was his own doing, he should have come into the ring at a more natural weight...on paper, I can see the logic behind coming into the ring light (i.e. speed) but he left himself as a dead man in the ring...he proceeded with the fight not just because he has heart, but because he stood to make a lot of money as well...

As I said at the time, the most impressive thing about Pac's victory against De La Hoya was the fact that he was able to carry up his speed, punch power and generally looked excellent at the weight in himself (i.e. IMO he would have beaten a prime 147 De La Hoya that night, but it would of course have been a far more competitive fight)...

Hatton


In terms of weight-draining, Hatton can make NO EXCUSES as 140 is his prime weight and he was THE MAN at the weight...I think the key downfall for Hatton in that fight (and again as I said at the time) as the fact that Pac fight came far too early in terms of bedding down his new fighting style with his work alongside Floyd Snr. I said at the time that Hatton's 'mental model' would become confused, and wouldn't be suprised if he got taken out early as a result...as soon as Hatton started getting hit repeatedly from a range of angles he looked like a rabbit in the headlights and the end was inevitable. Floyd Snr's verbal dressing down of Hatton at the end of round one provides clear evidence of my 'mental model' point...

Cotto

I predicted a stoppage for Pac, but as evidenced by my posts on here prior to the fight, I firmly believed that Pac would get rid of him within four rounds (and when you look at the fight, Pac probably would have done had Cotto not gone on the backfoot and went into survival mode)...people on here believed that I was crazy for such a prediction, but it was obvious to me that Cotto was indeed 'damaged goods' as stated by Roach...the guy has been in too many wars (Torres, Judah, Margarito, Clottey), he had to come down to 145, he is slow of foot, and all of these factors made it obvious to me that he wouldn't be able to compete with Pac, hence why I didn't get carried away after this particular victory...nonetheless, it was still an excellent victory but must be placed into the right context...

Conclusion

If these factors take away from the achievements of Pac then so be it...In-spite of the above points, I celebrate in Pac's victories...

Nit-picking can be done with respect to any fighter, including Mayweather...let's look at Floyd's biggest victories...

- Mayweather beat a Genaro Hernandez who was on the brink of retirement

- Mayweather beat a weight-drained Corrales

- Mayweather only scraped past a Castillo who been involved in a couple of real wars (although the biggest wars with Corrales were to follow)

- Mayweather beat a shopworn Gatti who had already been involved in a number of wars (i.e. Ward, Robinson, Manfredy etc)

- Mayweather beat a Zab Judah who as coming off a loss to Baldimir

- Mayweather beat a Baldomir who already had 10 losses and was just a crude, slow of foot fighter in any case

- Mayweather beat a De La Hoya who had only one fight in almost three years and was basically a full-time promoter at that point

- Mayweather beat a Hatton who was clearly fighting above his prime weight (and who didn't look good in his sole other fight at 147 against Collazo)

I never once mentioned Hatton did I? I never made one excuse about that fight. Ricky lost because he is always open for hooks and who showed us that? Yep, the very fighter your Manny is afraid to get into the ring with.

at least you can admit the issue about Cotto. Perhaps Cotto was damaged goods, it may appear this way to some and maybe not to others. I haven't really made up my mind about it yet. I know he didn't quite look as good as he had in the past, maybe that was simply from the new trainer and maybe not. Roach is the one who is putting his own fighters accomplishments down and he calls Roger Mayweather stupid? Roach and he are both complete idiots, but Roach outright puts mannys wins down and doesn't even realize it because he is that stupid.

DLH... he got down to a weight to low for him and yeah, perhaps he should not have agreed to it, but not being able to rehydrate is not a proper thing and he had done some serious damage for his body to not accept fluid to pick weight back up. At least we are pretty much in agreement with most things so i'll CC you for being honest.

Let me add however that his fight with Castillo was VERY close, but only the first fight. It was also rumored that Floyd had a shoulder injury... whether that was true or not I don't know. He didn't back down and just move on though, like a man who wanted to prove something, he fought him again and very comfortably beat him.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 23, 2009, 10:03:42 PM
Mayweather - De La Hoya

Your original post i thought you posted it because you were out to get mayweather jr and not pacman for fighting DLH but ok it looks like your giving mayweather jr more credit than pacman when they both fought DLH.


Floyd has to get more credit as you have to consider the fact that ODLH could actually compete at 154...I may be a Pac fan but I don't wear Manny blinkers...the Pac-ODLH fight simply gave me the confidence that Pac could remain the same fighter at a higher weight (i.e. he didn't look sluggish or slower of foot etc with the additional weight)...


Mayweather - Castillo

WHy bring this up when every fighter has to go through tough fighters to reach the top ? You say castillo has been in tough fights because he likes to go TOE to TOE but i feel mayweather jr has been in tough fights but makes them look a little bit easier than castillo because of his skills

Trust me when i tell you, Mayweather jr was tested in his early days when coming up and passed all tests so to bring up these statements, i think they are uncalled for.


I'm well aware of the fact that Mayweather has been tested; I have watched every single Mayweather fight (with the exception of his first two professional fights), and in addition I have watched a number of his amateur fights (i.e. Olympic trials, 96 Olympics, very good fights against Augie Sanchez etc)

I actually defend Mayweather against those who claim that he always adopts a safety-first approach in his fights...if you watch his fights against the likes of Burton/Augustus, Chavez, N'Dou, Corley etc, those are actually very exciting fights to watch where he just stays in the pocket and invites them to stand and trade with him yet he systematically picks them off and stops them (with the exception of Corley)...in these these fights he combines excitement with technical brilliance and would hold him in good stead later on in his career (i.e. Hatton, later rounds against Judah etc)...

Again, the point was simply made to illustrate the fact that you can look for holes in the achievements of any fighter...


Mayweather - Corrales

Funny he said that after a loss but not mention after his wins at the same weight for so many years.


Maybe so, but the fact is that he WAS weight-drained in the Mayweather fight...you mentioned that Corrales was undefeated going into the fight and spent most of his career at 130 at that time, but the same could be said of Cotto at 140; the fact that a fighter is undefeated at a given weight doesn't negate any issues that he may have with making weight...Cotto-Mayweather would be far more competitive at 147 than at 140 (although Floyd beats him at both weights in any case)...the same would go for Mayweather - Corrales at 135 (i.e. more competitive but Floyd still beats him IMO)...


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 23, 2009, 10:20:00 PM
I never once mentioned Hatton did I? I never made one excuse about that fight. Ricky lost because he is always open for hooks and who showed us that? Yep, the very fighter your Manny is afraid to get into the ring with.

at least you can admit the issue about Cotto. Perhaps Cotto was damaged goods, it may appear this way to some and maybe not to others. I haven't really made up my mind about it yet. I know he didn't quite look as good as he had in the past, maybe that was simply from the new trainer and maybe not. Roach is the one who is putting his own fighters accomplishments down and he calls Roger Mayweather stupid? Roach and he are both complete idiots, but Roach outright puts mannys wins down and doesn't even realize it because he is that stupid.

DLH... he got down to a weight to low for him and yeah, perhaps he should not have agreed to it, but not being able to rehydrate is not a proper thing and he had done some serious damage for his body to not accept fluid to pick weight back up. At least we are pretty much in agreement with most things so i'll CC you for being honest.

Let me add however that his fight with Castillo was VERY close, but only the first fight. It was also rumored that Floyd had a shoulder injury... whether that was true or not I don't know. He didn't back down and just move on though, like a man who wanted to prove something, he fought him again and very comfortably beat him.

Meth, wasn't my intention to suggest that you mentioned that Hatton fight mate, that was just my addition  ;D

With respect to the Hatton-Mayweather fight, indeed, Mayweather showed that the Mancunian Warrior is open for hooks, but to be honest I think Manny would have learned more from the Collazo fight as Collazo really exposed Hatton IMO, he hit Hatton with some great shots including some nice hooks...and from a Southpaw stance, which is obviously provides a better inside for Pac...I think it was in the fifth of sixth round that Collazo beat Hatton to the punch through connecting with a nice right hook and ducking under Hatton's follow through...and how did Manny firstly put Hatton down?

De La Hoya coming in so light on fight night against Pac was a massive error on his team's part...

I'm not sure if Roach is putting Manny's achievements down as such, I think he's just being a realist...what Manny is achieving, despite the stated issues with respect to his opponents, is nonetheless an amazing achievement given the fact that this is a man who started his career at 106...

Yes, with respect to Floyd, he confirmed after the fight that he had a torn rotator cuff in the first Castillo fight (I also heard that he had four broken ribs but I cannot verify the source) and he could well have lost that fight, but to his credit he put the record straight in an immediate rematch...


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 10:25:51 PM
on the blood testing issue, let's all remember Roach said this:

Two weeks ago, Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, told spam.com that their side had no problem with Olympic style testing.

"I have no problem with the testing whatsoever," Roach said then. "They can do whatever kind of drug testing they want. They're scared of Manny and scared of his power. He'll pass any test in the world."


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Skav on December 23, 2009, 10:58:47 PM
I think people need to read the 7th paragraph down in this link. Well, it's not a paragraph as such, but a question and then the answer follows by the man himself......

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/promo-lead/a-bloody-mess (http://www.maxboxing.com/news/promo-lead/a-bloody-mess)


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on December 23, 2009, 11:04:58 PM
Floyd Mayweather Jr's planned bout with Manny Pacquiao is off because of a blood-testing dispute, according to Pacquiao's promoter Bob Arum.

"As far as I'm concerned, the fight is off," said Arum, referring to the scheduled 13 March welterweight bout.

The American's camp were told by Pacquiao's people that the Filipino would not agree to blood-testing in the 30 days prior to the fight.

The welterweight super-fight was expected to be the richest of all time.

Arum accused Mayweather's camp of raising the issue not because they were worried about Pacquiao taking performance-enhancing substances, but because Mayweather never wanted to fight in the first place.

Arum said Pacquiao would agree to testing by the same agencies that test pro American Football and baseball players, but not for random tests by the US Anti-Doping Agency.
   
BEN DIRS' BLOG
This was boxing's big chance to emerge from the slump. If the dunces can't sort this mess out, many will think the sport is not worth forgiving.

Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach added: "The sanctioning bodies and the state commissions run the boxing world, not Floyd Mayweather.

"Who is this guy to tell us that we have to have blood tests, or urine tests, or any tests? He's just looking for a way out of the fight."

Mayweather associate Richard Schaefer said: "He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

"It is unfortunate to hear this from Manny Pacquiao's representatives, particularly since both parties had worked out all other issues related to this fight."

Unbeaten Mayweather's management want both men - regarded as the two best pound-for-pound fighters in the world - to submit to blood-testing prior to the bout, to ensure both men are clean.

   
When Manny gives blood it takes him three or four days to recover. I am not going to have my fighter going into a fight feeling weak

Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach

Schaefer, who is chief executive of Golden Boy Promotions, added: "Todd [DuBoef, president of Pacquiao's promoters Top Rank] told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn't want to do it so close to the fight."

Prior to Arum's announcement, the 32-year-old Mayweather had urged Pacquiao to agree to the blood-testing.

"I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don't know anyone who really does," said Mayweather.

"But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level."

But Roach countered: "We have passed every test ever given to us. We go by the commission rules, since when does the fighter make up the rules?

"When Manny gives blood it takes him three or four days to recover from it. I am not going to have my fighter going into a fight feeling weak and not sure of himself.

"Mayweather is scared, and he's just afraid that he's going to get his ass kicked."

The fight had been expected to be held at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

The Staples Center in Los Angeles, home of the NBA's Lakers was also touted as a possible venue and representatives of Cowboys Stadium in Dallas were also said to be interested in hosting arguably the biggest fight since the turn of the century.

Pacquiao, 31, became a five-weight world champion following his WBO welterweight title win over Miguel Cotto in November, while Las Vegas-based Mayweather returned from a 21-month retirement to beat Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez in September.

Arum added that Pacquiao still plans to fight on 13 March and will now look for another opponent.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 23, 2009, 11:08:56 PM
Floyd Mayweather Jr's planned bout with Manny Pacquiao is off because of a blood-testing dispute, according to Pacquiao's promoter Bob Arum.

"As far as I'm concerned, the fight is off," said Arum, referring to the scheduled 13 March welterweight bout.

The American's camp were told by Pacquiao's people that the Filipino would not agree to blood-testing in the 30 days prior to the fight.

The welterweight super-fight was expected to be the richest of all time.

Arum accused Mayweather's camp of raising the issue not because they were worried about Pacquiao taking performance-enhancing substances, but because Mayweather never wanted to fight in the first place.

Arum said Pacquiao would agree to testing by the same agencies that test pro American Football and baseball players, but not for random tests by the US Anti-Doping Agency.

   
BEN DIRS' BLOG
This was boxing's big chance to emerge from the slump. If the dunces can't sort this mess out, many will think the sport is not worth forgiving.

Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach added: "The sanctioning bodies and the state commissions run the boxing world, not Floyd Mayweather.

"Who is this guy to tell us that we have to have blood tests, or urine tests, or any tests? He's just looking for a way out of the fight."

Mayweather associate Richard Schaefer said: "He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

"It is unfortunate to hear this from Manny Pacquiao's representatives, particularly since both parties had worked out all other issues related to this fight."

Unbeaten Mayweather's management want both men - regarded as the two best pound-for-pound fighters in the world - to submit to blood-testing prior to the bout, to ensure both men are clean.

   
When Manny gives blood it takes him three or four days to recover. I am not going to have my fighter going into a fight feeling weak

Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach

Schaefer, who is chief executive of Golden Boy Promotions, added: "Todd [DuBoef, president of Pacquiao's promoters Top Rank] told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn't want to do it so close to the fight."

Prior to Arum's announcement, the 32-year-old Mayweather had urged Pacquiao to agree to the blood-testing.

"I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don't know anyone who really does," said Mayweather.

"But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level."

But Roach countered: "We have passed every test ever given to us. We go by the commission rules, since when does the fighter make up the rules?

"When Manny gives blood it takes him three or four days to recover from it. I am not going to have my fighter going into a fight feeling weak and not sure of himself.

"Mayweather is scared, and he's just afraid that he's going to get his ass kicked."

The fight had been expected to be held at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

The Staples Center in Los Angeles, home of the NBA's Lakers was also touted as a possible venue and representatives of Cowboys Stadium in Dallas were also said to be interested in hosting arguably the biggest fight since the turn of the century.

Pacquiao, 31, became a five-weight world champion following his WBO welterweight title win over Miguel Cotto in November, while Las Vegas-based Mayweather returned from a 21-month retirement to beat Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez in September.

Arum added that Pacquiao still plans to fight on 13 March and will now look for another opponent.

yeah, because they have done such a GREAT job at catching guys using.... I mean, that's why we have so many Grand Jury testimonies going on with sports figures right now huh? //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: leerhodes on December 23, 2009, 11:27:10 PM
Mayweathers running that fast at the moment he would beat usain bolt ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 23, 2009, 11:29:06 PM
Mayweathers running that fast at the moment he would beat usain bolt ;D ;D ;D

running from what exactly?? manny is the one thats refusing to do the test // everything else is agreed...mayweather is ready to rumble.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: johnymac on December 23, 2009, 11:46:07 PM
Cant copy & paste it , but arum has issued a statement stating manny will take 3 blood tests but none later that 13th feb and someone below has commented that the mayweathers fear Human Growth hormone which apparantly can only be found 48 hrs after use via blood , although i would have thought there would have been side affects to this drug which would be apparent im no doctor

I cant see the point in arum offering 3 tests but no later than 30 days prior to the fight , think its looking doubtful  //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jim1973 on December 23, 2009, 11:56:50 PM
This is starting to pss me off a bit now what with everything going back and forth about percentage, tests ect.

At the end of the day each fighter is going to make a shit load of money so drop the crap and just get the fight signed.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Gibbo on December 23, 2009, 11:58:54 PM
In response to the release sent out Tuesday by Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions which stated that Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was “in jeopardy,” Bob Arum, chairman of Top Rank, the promoter of seven-division world champion Manny Pacquiao, had the following to say: “Let’s be very clear on the real issues we differ on. It’s not about being tested. Manny is onboard with that since it’s such a major concern of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. It’s about who does the testing and the scheduling of the procedures. Manny will submit to as many random urine tests requested. Regarding the blood tests, he will subject himself to three tests; one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one thirty days from the fight, no later than February 13, and the final one immediately following the fight, in Manny’s locker room. The major issue related to the testing rests with which independent agency will administer these tests. The United States Anti Doping Agency (USADA) cannot do it because they will not amend its procedures to accommodate the blood testing schedule we have outlined. USADA, under its guidelines, would have the right to administer random blood tests as many times as they want up to weigh-in day and that is ludicrous.

“Our suggestion is to utilize any of the independent agencies that work with the National Football League, the National Basketball Association or Major League Baseball, since they administer drug testing for their professional athletes.”

New York-based athletic physician, Dr. Keith Pyne, a private injury consultant for NFL athletes and those who participate in running and combat sports, told AOL Fanhouse,
“I have more than 800 guys who are special athletes who are all drug-tested. And the urine testing is sufficient that you won’t miss anything, especially with performance-enhancing drugs. So, yes, I believe that the urine testing is more than sufficient for boxing. If you’re using steroids, it’s going to come up for sure in urine. There’s no way it’s going to get through the liver and the kidney without being detected.”

“If Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions are sincere in creating ‘a level playing field,’ as they stated in their release, our recommendations should put their minds at ease,” said Arum. “If not, one has to wonder if their motives are more about leveling the fight.”


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: jim1973 on December 24, 2009, 12:04:51 AM
cheers Gibbo as i suspected Mayweathers being a tit.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mac-rebel021 on December 24, 2009, 12:18:30 AM
I was actually rooting for Manny in this potential fight but with the latest carry on i cant help but feel suspicious . I'm sorry but it just doesnt add up and any1 blaming floyd for this episode is deluded . To me it sounds like a drinkdriver saying to cops you can breathaliaze me before i go to pub and then the following evening . Again i was a fan of Manny before this but the reasons for him not wanting to take tests on the testers time is ludicrous and doesnt add up and for me tarnishes his legacy more than a loss to mayweather . Jesus like its not more than a tablespoon of blood and needles ? he must have more than 10 tattoo's . What would i prefer a blood test or tattoo if i had such a phobia of needles ? This whole episode makes my blood boil (no pun intended) cos i love this sport so much and this whole debacle is going to undo all the progress that has been made in last couple of years .


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Tuco on December 24, 2009, 12:22:04 AM
Why should Manny take ablood test???? This disgraceful rumour about Manny being on roids was started by Mayweather senior in the first place. Mayweather snr is nothing but a hustler and a con man with nothing of intelligence to say.
It suits an overrated  Mayweather jnr down to the ground. Who seems petrified when he steps in the ring with any fighter near world class.
It's a terrible thing to be labelled a cheat, especially if your innocent. This rumour was created by a moron,, why is it being taken seriously, If Manny has to do a drugs test then floyd should take one two.





Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Che Guevara on December 24, 2009, 12:25:22 AM
I was actually rooting for Manny in this potential fight but with the latest carry on i cant help but feel suspicious . I'm sorry but it just doesnt add up and any1 blaming floyd for this episode is deluded . To me it sounds like a drinkdriver saying to cops you can breathaliaze me before i go to pub and then the following evening . Again i was a fan of Manny before this but the reasons for him not wanting to take tests on the testers time is ludicrous and doesnt add up and for me tarnishes his legacy more than a loss to mayweather . Jesus like its not more than a tablespoon of blood and needles ? he must have more than 10 tattoo's . What would i prefer a blood test or tattoo if i had such a phobia of needles ? This whole episode makes my blood boil (no pun intended) cos i love this sport so much and this whole debacle is going to undo all the progress that has been made in last couple of years .

thank you mac....finally some1 with some sanity.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Chris on December 24, 2009, 12:54:22 AM
Freddie reckons it takes Manny 3 or 4 days to recover from having blood taken - 1 tablespoon, is he serious!?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: mac-rebel021 on December 24, 2009, 12:56:54 AM
on a lighter note if this fight does get made there will be defitnately a bit of needle between em !!!!!!







Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: lobbers on December 24, 2009, 12:58:10 AM
In response to the release sent out Tuesday by Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions which stated that Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was “in jeopardy,” Bob Arum, chairman of Top Rank, the promoter of seven-division world champion Manny Pacquiao, had the following to say: “Let’s be very clear on the real issues we differ on. It’s not about being tested. Manny is onboard with that since it’s such a major concern of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. It’s about who does the testing and the scheduling of the procedures. Manny will submit to as many random urine tests requested. Regarding the blood tests, he will subject himself to three tests; one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one thirty days from the fight, no later than February 13, and the final one immediately following the fight, in Manny’s locker room. The major issue related to the testing rests with which independent agency will administer these tests. The United States Anti Doping Agency (USADA) cannot do it because they will not amend its procedures to accommodate the blood testing schedule we have outlined. USADA, under its guidelines, would have the right to administer random blood tests as many times as they want up to weigh-in day and that is ludicrous.

“Our suggestion is to utilize any of the independent agencies that work with the National Football League, the National Basketball Association or Major League Baseball, since they administer drug testing for their professional athletes.”

New York-based athletic physician, Dr. Keith Pyne, a private injury consultant for NFL athletes and those who participate in running and combat sports, told AOL Fanhouse,
“I have more than 800 guys who are special athletes who are all drug-tested. And the urine testing is sufficient that you won’t miss anything, especially with performance-enhancing drugs. So, yes, I believe that the urine testing is more than sufficient for boxing. If you’re using steroids, it’s going to come up for sure in urine. There’s no way it’s going to get through the liver and the kidney without being detected.”

“If Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions are sincere in creating ‘a level playing field,’ as they stated in their release, our recommendations should put their minds at ease,” said Arum. “If not, one has to wonder if their motives are more about leveling the fight.”
cheers for that Gibbo. black and white No refusal on Mannys part just not prepared to undergo what could if so desired by the USADA a blood taste at the extreame every day from announcement of fight to weigh in, iam weighting for this fight to be signed as much as the next person but fair play to Manny


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 24, 2009, 01:09:47 AM
Here's my take on it, for what its worth:

Manny and Roach have offered to do the blood test after the fight. That should be sufficient for the Mayweather camp. Any illegal substance would be found at that stage. End of Story.

Arum said that GBP came back with the Olympic style drug test demand AFTER Mannys camp proposed the $10 million fine per lb over the 147 limit. It was a retaliation from the Mayweather camp. Of course the Mayweather camp won't have an issue with that, because there is a very slim to none chance that Mayweather would have issues making 147. And slim is outta town that weekend.

Begs the question: why wasn't this in the contract that Arum proposed to Manny in the Phillipines. A contract which Manny already agreed to in principle?

Mayweathers advisors are bullys. GBP/Ellerbe/Schaefer are amateurs at this game, compared to Top Rank. I always had a suspicion that GBP are BAD NEWS for the sport. The Top Rank shows I have been to in the past are far superior than GBPs. GBPs are all show and no substance. Top Rank all day long.

I originally did not know what to make from these developments and wasn't sure which team were at fault. But as the minutes tick by, it looks more and more obvious to me that Mayweather wants nothing to do with Manny!

Lets all hope these are just publicity stunts!


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: GOD on December 24, 2009, 01:43:04 AM
I expect this fight to get signed, but if it does fall through and Mayweather ends up looking to fight Mosley (on the premise that Mosley beats Berto), it will be interesting to see what GBP's stance will be with respect to drug testing of Mosley, who unlike Manny has actually been 'proven' to have used performance enhancing drugs...will Mayweather adopt the same stance?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: pete postlethwaite on December 24, 2009, 01:54:10 AM
Why on earth would Pacquiao submit to Unnecessary and utterly meritless demands from the Mayweather camp. As stated in this thread, adequate measures are already in place. Good posting IrishPaddy.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 24, 2009, 01:56:41 AM
Cant copy & paste it , but arum has issued a statement stating manny will take 3 blood tests but none later that 13th feb and someone below has commented that the mayweathers fear Human Growth hormone which apparantly can only be found 48 hrs after use via blood , although i would have thought there would have been side affects to this drug which would be apparent im no doctor

I cant see the point in arum offering 3 tests but no later than 30 days prior to the fight , think its looking doubtful  //

HGH is not normally able to be found in the urine as far as I know... I haven't kept up with it as of late, I just know that the style test that Mayweather wants picks up a whole lot more stuff than the standard urine test does. Clen would be a more likely of steroid which is out of the body within a week or less... it allows you to burn MUCH more fat and still increase fat free mass.. one of the things I questioned about Manny gaining size and power so fast.. but read for yourselves.


Clenbuterol (often called just “Clen”) is used by athletes and bodybuilders for it’s ability as a beta-2 agonist. It therefore stimulates your beta-2 receptors, which in turn help you to lose fat by allowing your body to release and burn more stored fat. Clen has been used for literally decades in the foreign veterinary world, for increasing the lean yield of livestock. It is clearly a very effective agent for this purpose, although its long half life and tendency to stay active in the body for long periods of time mean that vets in the United States aren’t able to use it. This is also the reason why (although it’s an asthma medication) it’s not available to asthmatics in the US of A. Albuterol is Clen’s shorter acting cousin, and that’s the FDA’s drug of choice here. But in the world of athletics, Clenbuterol has a much longer history of use.
Specifically, it’s used for fat loss, and since we’re talking about fat loss here, and this purpose is what it’s most often used for by athletes. Briefly stated, Clen is used as a repartitioning agent, and what this means is simply that it will increase your ratio of Fat Free Mass (FFM) to Fat Mass (FM) (1). When you use Clenbuterol, besides (of course) noticing some fat loss, you’ll feel your body temperature rise a bit, and your appetite will be slightly repressed. (2)

Anyway, as you may have guessed, because the FDA doesn’t allow Clenbuterol use in asthmatics, and the USDA doesn’t allow it in livestock, there aren’t a lot of human studies to really examine with regards to Clenbuterol. Unfortunately this makes research a bit difficult, as it’s well known that animals have a some important differences in their beta-receptor type and concentrations, but animal studies are still quite useful here.
Clenbuterol is quite anti-catabolic and/or anabolic in almost every (animal) study ever done on it, although this hasn’t been studied or confirmed in human studies (3). Also, a trend we see with Clenbuterol administration in animals is that the doses used are very high- more than anyone I’ve ever heard of actually taking. So, what I’m saying is that if Clenbuterol is anabolic or anti-catabolic in humans, only mild anabolic or anti-catabolic effects can realistically be expected. We can take a look at horses given a human-like dose of clen (slightly over 1mcg/lb x2 a day) and exercised for nearly human-like times (20mins, 3x a week) showed very significant decreases in %fat (-17.6%) and fat mass (-19.5%). Interestingly, this significantly increased (+4.4%) at week 6 (1). This has been one of the reasons I have never believed in the 2 weeks on and 2 weeks theory of Clenbuterol administration. Why wouldn’t we want to use it for at least 6 weeks, considering the fact that it seems to have some profound effects during later administration.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 24, 2009, 01:57:42 AM
I expect this fight to get signed, but if it does fall through and Mayweather ends up looking to fight Mosley (on the premise that Mosley beats Berto), it will be interesting to see what GBP's stance will be with respect to drug testing of Mosley, who unlike Manny has actually been 'proven' to have used performance enhancing drugs...will Mayweather adopt the same stance?

Doubt it seeing as Shane has already been questioned by the Grand Jury.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 24, 2009, 02:02:09 AM
Why on earth would Pacquiao submit to Unnecessary and utterly meritless demands from the Mayweather camp. As stated in this thread, adequate measures are already in place. Good posting IrishPaddy.

So why should Floyd submit to the pacqueeraio camp's demands? The 8oz. gloves... the 10 MILLION dollar fine for coming in over the weight limit... all Floyd's people are asking for is a few needles and some piss because the athletic commissions tests are simply a JOKE. Let's just say for a minute manny... or floyd, anyone you want to use is on steroids... they go into the fight and lose, or worse get seriously injured and then AFTER the fight is over we find out that they were on steroids... that doesn't help the fighter who lost any does it? I think if Mayweather should have to submit to their demands, then they should have to submit to his and if they don't and it is THAT big of a deal, then something is wrong and REALLY needs to be looked into.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Methodical4u on December 24, 2009, 02:06:56 AM
Here's my take on it, for what its worth:

Manny and Roach have offered to do the blood test after the fight. That should be sufficient for the Mayweather camp. Any illegal substance would be found at that stage. End of Story.

Arum said that GBP came back with the Olympic style drug test demand AFTER Mannys camp proposed the $10 million fine per lb over the 147 limit. It was a retaliation from the Mayweather camp. Of course the Mayweather camp won't have an issue with that, because there is a very slim to none chance that Mayweather would have issues making 147. And slim is outta town that weekend.

Begs the question: why wasn't this in the contract that Arum proposed to Manny in the Phillipines. A contract which Manny already agreed to in principle?

Mayweathers advisors are bullys. GBP/Ellerbe/Schaefer are amateurs at this game, compared to Top Rank. I always had a suspicion that GBP are BAD NEWS for the sport. The Top Rank shows I have been to in the past are far superior than GBPs. GBPs are all show and no substance. Top Rank all day long.

I originally did not know what to make from these developments and wasn't sure which team were at fault. But as the minutes tick by, it looks more and more obvious to me that Mayweather wants nothing to do with Manny!

Lets all hope these are just publicity stunts!


if they are amatuers... then why is Floyd one of if not THE richest men in active fighters?


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Greb on December 24, 2009, 02:28:57 AM
Manny signed a contract w/o reading the fine print. Arum had his son in law finish the deal. Obviously a dumb a$$. Manny saw the guaranteed 25 million dollar pay out and asked for the ink blot. Thats not Floyds fault and I cant stand the guy. Manny signed. End of story. All this talk about superstition and a mental hangup is a crock of shite. If Manny has a problem mentally then he needs a therapist. Whats he worried about? Getting caught in the middle of a cycle? Urine tests dont prove squat. They are the most easily masked tests there is.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 24, 2009, 02:57:02 AM
Manny signed a contract w/o reading the fine print. Arum had his son in law finish the deal. Obviously a dumb a$$. Manny saw the guaranteed 25 million dollar pay out and asked for the ink blot. Thats not Floyds fault and I cant stand the guy. Manny signed. End of story. All this talk about superstition and a mental hangup is a crock of shite. If Manny has a problem mentally then he needs a therapist. Whats he worried about? Getting caught in the middle of a cycle? Urine tests dont prove squat. They are the most easily masked tests there is.

Manny didnt sign anything as far as I'm aware!  //


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: bolopunch on December 24, 2009, 03:01:07 AM
running from what exactly?? manny is the one thats refusing to do the test // everything else is agreed...mayweather is ready to rumble.

cher cher.. this issue is started by a crackhead and you are taking him seriuosly?! tsk tsk  ;D


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 24, 2009, 03:10:39 AM
if they are amatuers... then why is Floyd one of if not THE richest men in active fighters?

Because they are throwing away the opportunity of him being alot richer.

Mayweather needs this fight to define his career more than Manny. If he retires without having fought good big prime Welterweights like Cotto, Pacman, Margarito, Mosley, Williams or even Clottey, then history will not favour him. He had an opportunity to fight all of these guys over the last 3-4 years, and didn't.

I give him alot of credit for the Oscar win at Light-Middleweight. Albeit, a VERY CLOSE win.

Pacman?He's already made history. Boxing historians will look back on him at the moment more favourably than Mayweather. Mayweather has a chance to change that. And he's throwing it away!Clever management...

If he really is all about Money then his management team have no other choice but to do everything possible to make this fight.


Title: Re: Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather *Discussion Thread*
Post by: Greb on December 24, 2009, 03:22:58 AM
Manny didnt sign anything as far as I'm aware!  //


In the future do your own homework. Do you think I actually care about this childish iq crap? I dont because people regarding this circus have an iq of 30 and it takes 31 to bark.

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Manny Pacquiao has signed a contract to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. in boxing's biggest fight on March 13, a source with knowledge of the meeting told spam.com on Friday night.

Pacquiao and promotor Bob Arum met for two hours Friday to discuss the proposed deal, according to Pacquiao adviser Michael Koncz, who told The Associated Press that "Manny has some additional requirements, requests, which Arum didn't think was a problem.

"The requests of Manny were so realistic that Arum doesn't feel it's a problem and it's pretty much a done deal," Koncz said.

Later Friday it became a done deal, at least on the Pacquiao side, when he signed the paperwork, the source said.

Mayweather had previously agreed to terms with Golden Boy Promotions, his promoter for the HBO PPV fight, but it was unclear if he had signed a contract.

The source also disclosed other aspects of the fight, which will take place at the welterweight limit of 147 pounds for Pacquiao's title and match the top two fighters in the world, pound-for-pound.

The camps agreed to a 50-50 split of the money, which could be gargantuan. Many experts expect the fight to eclipse the all-time pay-per-view record for sales, which is the 2.44 million buys generated by Mayweather's 2007 victory against Oscar De La Hoya.

Both fighters will wear 8-ounce gloves but each fighter will be allowed to select the brand of gloves he will wear for the fight.

For promotional purposes, the bout will be referred to as Mayweather-Pacquiao, but Top Rank will receive first billing over Golden Boy throughout the promotion.

However, instead of a full-scale media tour, there will only be a single press conference in New York during the second week of January. With the schedule compressed because of the March 13 date for the fight, rather than May 1, which the promoters and HBO PPV preferred, it didn't leave time for a lengthy media tour.

The fight is going to take place March 13 because Pacquiao is running for a congressional seat in the Philippines and the elections are in May, which would have been a conflict between his training and the campaign.

Pacquiao will spend the first half of his training camp in Baguio in the Philippines, where he also trained for the first part of his camp in preparation for his 12th-round knockout victory against Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14. For the final few weeks of his training, Pacquiao and trainer Freddie Roach will relocate to Roach's Wild Card gym in Hollywood, Calif.

The site of the bout has not been finalized. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has expressed interest in bringing the fight to his new stadium as have representatives from the Superdome in New Orleans. Also in the mix is the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, which has hosted several Pacquiao and Mayweather bouts. Arum has also received a proposal for a 30,000-seat temporary stadium on the Las Vegas Strip across from the Wynn resort.

http://sports.spam.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4715684 (http://sports.spam.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4715684)




An impasse over the drug-testing protocol to be used in the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather welterweight title bout can be overcome if Mayweather agrees to allow the agencies used by the NBA, NFL and MLB to handle testing for boxing's biggest fight, Top Rank's Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao, said Wednesday.

"Our suggestion is to utilize any of the independent agencies that work with the National Football League, the National Basketball Association or Major League Baseball, since they administer drug testing for their professional athletes," Arum said.

The fight, which was tentatively scheduled for March 13 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, was knocked off track Tuesday over a significant disagreement on drug testing.

Mayweather continues to demand Olympic-style testing, which is conducted by the United States Anti Doping Agency. Its protocol calls for random urine and blood testing throughout the training camps, fight week -- even the day of the fight -- and immediately after the fight. According to Leonard Ellerbe, a Mayweather adviser, that means something like 3 to 5 blood tests and 10 to 12 urine tests over an approximately 10-week period.

Mayweather would be subject to the same testing as Pacquiao.

The Nevada State Athletic Commission and other state commissions only conduct post-fight urine tests and, in some cases, pre-fight urine tests.

Floyd Mayweather Sr., the fighter's father, has repeatedly accused Pacquiao of taking illegal substances. Pacquiao, who has risen through seven weight divisions to win titles in a record seven divisions while maintaining his speed and power, denies it. He has also never failed a drug test.

"Manny says, 'I'm not going to let them take my blood whenever they want when I'm getting seriously ready for a fight. They can take all the urine they want,' " Arum said. "My fighter feels uncomfortable with that and feels that would weaken him. I know if I deal with an organization that deals with pro athletes we can agree to the protocol."

Arum said that USADA's testing procedures would not allow it to assure Pacquiao that he would at least not be blood tested during the week of the fight or even on the day of the fight.

"He'll give them blood but he wants to know it will stop at a particular point," Arum said. "He wants the fight. But he's a proud guy. He won't be pushed around by this guy [Mayweather]."

Ellerbe said that if Pacquiao won't submit to random testing, it must mean he has something to hide.

"The reason why they don't want to do that is because obviously there is something to hide," Ellerbe said. "You're not going to dictate to an organization like USADA, which has tested the elite athletes of the world, on how their testing is conducted. Arum is talking about the fighters like they're going to have a blood transfusion. We're talking about a tablespoon of blood. We're taking about a tablespoon. This is the same representation of Manny Pacquiao that says he's superstitious and doesn't like needles and then you look all over his body and he has tattoos. So which one is it? If there's nothing to hide then what is the problem?

"Boxing has an opportunity and a platform with the whole world watching to say we have a clean sport. What better opportunity that with the two top guys in the sport stepping up to make this happen?"

Arum said Pacquiao would submit to three blood tests, even though he would prefer not to have his blood drawn at all.

"Let's be very clear on the real issues we differ on. It's not about being tested," Arum said. "Manny is on board with that since it's such a major concern of Floyd Mayweather Jr. It's about who does the testing and the scheduling of the procedures.

"Manny will submit to as many random urine tests requested," Arum said. "Regarding the blood tests, he will subject himself to three tests -- one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one 30 days from the fight, no later than Feb. 13, and the final one immediately following the fight, in Manny's locker room.

"The major issue related to the testing rests with which independent agency will administer these tests," he said. "The United States Anti Doping Agency cannot do it because they will not amend its procedures to accommodate the blood testing schedule we have outlined. USADA, under its guidelines, would have the right to administer random blood tests as many times as they want up to weigh-in day and that is ludicrous.

"If Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions are sincere in creating 'a level playing field,' as they stated in the