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Title: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on December 05, 2009, 06:38:20 PM
Thought i would kick of the thread for tonights fights on the undercard of khan salita and the main even itself

anyone no what time khan is scheduled to fight - i heard it has to be after a certain time to do with salitas religion


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: waller on December 05, 2009, 06:45:45 PM
10.30pm onwards I'd expect. f***ing gutted I've had to sell my tickets like! Still gonna get messy and watch in pub though. Frankie Gavin on first I heard?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: The Flaccid Member on December 05, 2009, 06:58:31 PM

Salita can't do anything untill sunset, 5live coverage starts at 10.00 so I guess the previous poster is bang on for a 10.30 start


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 05, 2009, 07:11:18 PM
I'm looking forward to tonight as there is some quality fights on. Is it worth 15  :-\ in my opinion very much so because even though people don't like the idea of paying for Khan they get Mitchell - Prescott and Simpson and Bell which should be 2 barnstormers. You add the 2 Olympians, Gavin, Maccranelli with his career on the line and the debut of the much touted Ronnie Hefron then it makes for a good card.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Faulks on December 05, 2009, 07:18:40 PM
Good card IMO .im looking forward to the Prescott/Mitchell more than the main event


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on December 05, 2009, 07:49:51 PM
I'm looking forward to tonight as there is some quality fights on. Is it worth 15  :-\ in my opinion very much so because even though people don't like the idea of paying for Khan they get Mitchell - Prescott and Simpson and Bell which should be 2 barnstormers. You add the 2 Olympians, Gavin, Maccranelli with his career on the line and the debut of the much touted Ronnie Hefron then it makes for a good card.


Thanks bud, didn't have the chance to look into the undercard. IQ Tito  :)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Flo on December 05, 2009, 07:55:26 PM
I would happily pay 15 if Tiscali would pull their fingers out and update their system to receive Box Office!

Dodgy links welcome...


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 08:02:47 PM
slightly off topic, but i was just googling to find the start time and top result was this from the mirror.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/more-sport/2009/12/05/no-khan-do-for-salita-115875-21874405/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/more-sport/2009/12/05/no-khan-do-for-salita-115875-21874405/)

if this is what passes as mainstream sports journalism - then god help us!

anyway, just waiting to see if the stream is a good 'un now... hopefully a few good fights


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on December 05, 2009, 08:03:12 PM
ditto to that - links welcomed :D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Red on December 05, 2009, 08:10:17 PM
Former world champion Alex Arthur's comeback was derailed by a surprise eight-round points defeat against Nigel Wright in Newcastle tonight.

The Edinburgh veteran, 31, had moved up to lightweight as he attempted to rebuild following the crushing defeat by Nicky Cook last year that saw him lose his WBO super-featherweight title.

In June he made a low-key return to the ring with a first-round stoppage of Mohamed Benbiou but had found himself kicking his heels since then as he looked to earn a title shot at the higher weight.

However, those hopes were blown apart tonight as the Scot looked in poor condition and out of sorts throughout against his Hartlepool opponent en route to a 78-76 points defeat.

While Wright has operated at a decent level during his career, Arthur would have expected to deal with the north-east fighter, who entered the contest with a record of 20-6-1 (nine KO wins).

Wright also looked in far better condition than Arthur and it was his work that was superior from the opening bell.

Arthur made a fight of it with many of the rounds close but was being caught regularly by Wright's busy jab and looked lethargic and flat-footed.

In the closing stages he went for broke in a bid to get the decision - and produced by far his best work - but it was no surprise when Scottish referee Victor Loughlin held up Wright's arm with a score of 78-76 to the Englishman.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 08:12:08 PM
im keeping an eye on the one WelshDevilRob has put in the *ahem* private section... havent got any others at the moment... if anyone does, remember to put them on the streams page so they dont get shut down. there is also a link for the macklin fight which would be cool to squeeze in too if the fight times line up appropriately


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 05, 2009, 08:12:40 PM
Come on John


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 08:19:13 PM
just decided i might stump up the cash for this. and virgin on demand seems to be f.cked - anyone had success getting this on virgin?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 05, 2009, 08:23:53 PM
Cmon Simpson  ;D

At least make us Scottish fans proud compared to Arthur.

Must be the end of the road for him now, he had the skills but lacked the heart.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: King Cotto on December 05, 2009, 08:27:43 PM
Salita can't do anything untill sunset, 5live coverage starts at 10.00 so I guess the previous poster is bang on for a 10.30 start


I found this one here: http://www.livesportontv.com/ (http://www.livesportontv.com/)

says 23:00


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 08:27:55 PM
Bell's just shit himself! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 08:30:22 PM
Bell's just sh*t himself! ;D

just thinking the same thing myself. simpson looking good.

(virgin does work after all)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: SCOTTY'S SOBER on December 05, 2009, 08:37:07 PM
this will be over soon.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 08:37:58 PM
bells taking a LOT of punches. hard to tell how hard simpsons punches are - anyone know if hes a big hitter from previous bouts?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 08:38:32 PM
He's not. Only got 8ko's from 20 wins


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 08:39:19 PM
He's not.
ta. its hard to tell seeing someone on the telly for the first time. the punches are making a lot of sound... but bell isnt being wobbled or anything


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 08:42:21 PM
stopped. cut on the eye of bell.... havent got a good look at the cut tho, didnt seem that bad


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 08:44:31 PM
Here comes the best fight of the night.......


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 05, 2009, 08:45:25 PM
Excellent win for simpson.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 08:47:41 PM
Grrrrr! I want Mitchell - Prescott NOW! >:(


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 08:48:34 PM
Grrrrr! I want Mitchell - Prescott NOW! >:(

i guess it will be directly before the main event im afraid


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 05, 2009, 08:49:00 PM
Has Enzo Mac fought yet? Want to see him salsa dance again  ;)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 08:50:53 PM
Has Enzo Mac fought yet? Want to see him salsa dance again  ;)

dont think so. wish he'd stay out of the ring tbh.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 08:51:49 PM
dont think so. wish he'd stay out of the ring tbh.

Agreed. He's no business to be in there anymore.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 08:54:43 PM
i didnt just pay 15 squid for a coca cola advert. nobs...


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 08:56:19 PM
i didnt just pay 15 squid for a coca cola advert. nobs...

I didn't pay 15.......  ;)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 08:57:54 PM
I didn't pay 15.......  ;)

im surprised at myself tbh. gotta get one of those cables, to stick the laptop to the tv


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: willlywallly on December 05, 2009, 09:02:23 PM
shouldnr have been stopped at that point.....rediculous


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:02:52 PM
lucky TKO for gavin there, he was kicking ass but turgawee (?) could have made the bell


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:04:29 PM
turgawee looks like malignaggi when he pulls that hard done by face ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: SCOTTY'S SOBER on December 05, 2009, 09:06:08 PM
whats with all these young olympians fights getting stoped for next to nothing ?? dont get me wrong they are always extremly dominant but theres something in my head saying that fwank tells the ref to stop it if he can to bump there ko% up.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 05, 2009, 09:08:09 PM
lucky TKO for gavin there, he was kicking ass but turgawee (?) could have made the bell

Ill agree, 10secs left, guy was going to make the bell easily.

Heres the big one now, going to be a belter.

Going for Prescott in 4!!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:08:24 PM
whats with all these young olympians fights getting stoped for next to nothing ?? dont get me wrong they are always extremly dominant but theres something in my head saying that fwank tells the ref to stop it if he can to bump there ko% up.

thought had crossed my mind. 10 seconds to go, ref keeps frankies 100% KO record...


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: willlywallly on December 05, 2009, 09:08:51 PM
looking forward to this. if mitchell lasts longer than a minute does that mean he's better than khan? hehe


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:09:15 PM
Ill agree, 10secs left, guy was going to make the bell easily.

Heres the big one now, going to be a belter.

Going for Prescott in 4!!

cant wait!!! i couldnt call it, ill need to see a round before i see how they are going to match up... thats all prescott needs though ;)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 09:09:45 PM
thought had crossed my mind. 10 seconds to go, ref keeps frankies 100% KO record...

....and the ref's bank account gets a nice deposit! ;) ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
love them showing the khan knockout on the screen behind him  :)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 09:15:25 PM
love them showing the khan knockout on the screen behind him  :)

Oh Yeah!! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 09:18:50 PM
That MC is sooooo charismatic! I bet Buffer's envious! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: WelshDevilRob on December 05, 2009, 09:19:13 PM
Not sure how this is a World title Eliminator but I think Prescott will be too big for Mitchell.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:19:30 PM
anyone else think prescott has the face of a ladyboy?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:20:14 PM
Not sure how this is a World title Eliminator but I think Prescott will be too big for Mitchell.

he certainly looks like a man whos about to knock someone out (if you set aside the aforementioned ladyboy face comment)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: MadMariner on December 05, 2009, 09:20:25 PM
That MC is sooooo charismatic! I bet Buffer's envious! ;D

Yes he is the best MC ever  //


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: MadMariner on December 05, 2009, 09:21:17 PM
anyone else think prescott has the face of a ladyboy?

Thanks  didn't but now I do  :o

side note.  your avatar is disturbing me  :-X


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:21:59 PM
Thanks  didn't but now I do  :o

side note.  your avatar is disturbing me  :-X

took me ages to set the camera, pose it etc. ;)

prescott has some reach on him!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 09:24:52 PM
took me ages to set the camera, pose it etc. ;)


Lost your keys or something?! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:26:47 PM
looping, wild shots from prescott. if mithcell stays out the way of the, prescotts body and often face are open


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 09:27:00 PM
There's a shorts pulling contest going on now......


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:31:23 PM
mitchell is stealing a few good punches. also, not sure why prescott needed talking to then


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: King Cotto on December 05, 2009, 09:38:20 PM
mitchell is stealing a few good punches. also, not sure why prescott needed talking to then

I think the refs helping mitchell a bit. but all credit to the lad


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:41:19 PM
loving this fight. im genuinely excited. the cider is dispearing...


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 09:41:21 PM
Great effort from Mitchell so far!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: MadMariner on December 05, 2009, 09:47:12 PM
Great effort from Mitchell so far!

Yep really impressed,  Prescott is looking more and more frustrated.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 05, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
Prescott is gased out.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:51:08 PM
so far mitchell is just too cute/classy for the clumsy looking prescott


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:53:29 PM
really good round for mitchell... nice to see him coming forward with some big shots


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 09:53:30 PM
so far mitchell is just too cute/classy for the clumsy looking prescott

Yes, he's putting on a beautiful display of boxing.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kurtprophet on December 05, 2009, 09:54:24 PM
Prescott is ready to go :o


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 09:57:22 PM
was that a touch of gloves between the two at the end of this round? as opposed to the fighting/shouting?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kurtprophet on December 05, 2009, 09:58:55 PM
Prescott is ready to go :o

Prescott is not ready to go ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 10:00:01 PM
Prescott is not ready to go ;D

i really hope he does... mitchell has shown he can get himself into the position to do it already


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 10:10:08 PM
i have to say im completely impressed with kevin mitchell. hes gone out of his way to take a step up in weight with a dangerous oponent and put on a great display. really nice work kevin! many good things to say about the performance - brains, chin, patience, speed. im not trying to overdo it as prescott is clearly no great, but im really pleased with that fight

PS - maybe prescott can only knockout glassjawed girls... im not saying anything ;)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 10:11:23 PM
fantastic performance and win for Mitchell, well done Kevin.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 10:12:25 PM
good accurate score cards too


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: King Cotto on December 05, 2009, 10:14:30 PM
this fight also justifies to some extent that prescott wasnt given better chances after hsi win gainst khan


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: willlywallly on December 05, 2009, 10:26:03 PM
mitchell bossed it from the opening bell, excellent corner, followed the game plan perfectly (till he hung his chin out in the 12th  //) well deserved win and what shows what can be acheived by following the british and european route.

worked his way up the ladder nicely, fully expect him acheive world status. good work kevin!

on a side note i noticed nazeem at ringside looking dejected, i reckon he was hoping prescott would do a job on mitchell didnt happen though haha


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 10:30:46 PM
That ring walk in music is absolute bollocks. Khan's got a bloody ego on him.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 10:32:44 PM
That ring walk in music is absolute bollocks. Khan's got a bloody ego on him.

who sold their soul to make that tune?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: dafscrum1986 on December 05, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
I hate that music he walks in to! Give me Blue Moon any day!!!!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kurtprophet on December 05, 2009, 10:33:32 PM
WTF IS CARL FROCH DOING BEING AT RINGSIDE :o


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 10:34:53 PM
WTF IS CARL FROCH DOING BEING AT RINGSIDE :o

Hopefully he's there to punch the idiot singing that bloody Khan song! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kurtprophet on December 05, 2009, 10:37:58 PM
BULLSHIT


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: MadMariner on December 05, 2009, 10:38:02 PM
that was quick  :)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 10:38:33 PM
Was Salita related to Bobby Gunn!?! ;D

Is Maidana next for Khan?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kurtprophet on December 05, 2009, 10:38:52 PM
THE FIGHT WAS FIXED


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 10:39:03 PM
15 get for that, get fooked.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 10:41:14 PM
There's booing from the crowd....


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: whieldon on December 05, 2009, 10:41:55 PM
guys dont complain lol kahn just showed his class today real CLASS!!! speed power everything kahn is gona dominate this division

th kevin mitchell fight was worth it also :)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: The Flaccid Member on December 05, 2009, 10:42:47 PM
dear god and Lady Ruffles thinks I'm quick.....


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 05, 2009, 10:43:06 PM
What a fooking joke, waste of 15 quid.

Wonder what pash he is going to spout now, he will think he is unbeatable now!!!  :-X

Just cant take to the guy, sorry!!!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 10:43:06 PM
f.ck me. great work from him. please we had mitchell prescott on the card for the fans in the arena


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Buckers on December 05, 2009, 10:43:46 PM
Smahed in the first well done Khan.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 10:44:56 PM
guys dont complain lol kahn just showed his class today real CLASS!!! speed power everything kahn is gona dominate this division

th kevin mitchell fight was worth it also :)

lmao your saying that when he beat someone who if you recognise any names on his resume then please enlihten me.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 10:45:40 PM
roach: 'whoever wants to step up and fight, were ready'

ill believe it when i see it, but those are positive sounds from the khan camp


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: whieldon on December 05, 2009, 10:46:19 PM
lmao your saying that when he beat someone who if you recognise any names on his resume then please enlihten me.

mandatory opponent he had to fight him and the guy was undefeaten and kahn didnt just beat him did he... lol

just take it in guys kahn is class :) roach done a good job


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 10:46:58 PM
roach: 'whoever wants to step up and fight, were ready'

ill believe it when i see it, but those are positive sounds from the khan camp

MAIDANA NEXT PLEASE!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kurtprophet on December 05, 2009, 10:47:26 PM
KHAN SHUT THE FOOK UP YOUR TALKIN shit >:(


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: tomstrong on December 05, 2009, 10:47:33 PM
Full credit to Khan, great start and finish well done!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 10:47:39 PM
That was embarrassing. Khan of course looks great again but seriously that was a pathetic lack of resistance from Salita.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 10:48:26 PM
That was embarrassing. Khan of course looks great again but seriously that was a pathetic lack of resistance from Salita.

I could have taken him, and I'm in a bloody wheelchair! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: DANIELK104 on December 05, 2009, 10:48:57 PM
guys dont complain lol kahn just showed his class today real CLASS!!! speed power everything kahn is gona dominate this division

th kevin mitchell fight was worth it also :)

You must be on some good drugs tonight mate.

Salita has fought nobodies, like Aaron says if you know any of them, please let us know.

So who next for wonderboy now?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 10:49:21 PM
mandatory opponent he had to fight him and the guy was undefeaten and kahn didnt just beat him did he... lol

just take it in guys kahn is class :) roach done a good job

He is potentially very good but i am far from willing to admit it after that, Salita was not unheard of by most over here for a reason.
He has made a career upto now of fighting guys with 3,4 and 5 losses, the mandatory and belts things a farce anyway and it has been long before Khan won one before you think am just saying that cuz its him.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 10:49:56 PM
So who next for wonderboy now?

Well I'm unbeaten...... Oh, the phones going now..... Hello Fwank! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 10:50:12 PM
FORUMS CHOCKER  ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 10:50:42 PM
Well I'm unbeaten...... Oh, the phones going now..... Hello Fwank! ;D

Iq lol that made me laugh.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 05, 2009, 10:50:57 PM
Salita not beat in 30 fights yet people still doubt what Khan has.
I would suggest that you look again at the fight and if you still cannot see the crudententials of this young BRITISH guy, then i suggest you look at your own agenda.
Khan and Mitchell absolutely mustard tonite.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 10:52:16 PM
Why not fight Mitchell next? F*ck America and fight someone with some genuine class and from your nation. Not some useless C**t gets sparked by a single straight right hand.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 10:52:56 PM
Salita not beat in 30 fights yet people still doubt what Khan has.
I would suggest that you look again at the fight and if you still cannot see the crudententials of this young BRITISH guy, then i suggest you look at your own agenda.
Khan and Mitchell absolutely mustard tonite.

Julio Cesar Chavez jnr is unbeaten in 41 but i bet like most you think he is a corck of shit, many build records as opposed to fighters now days as someone Red once quoted said.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kurtprophet on December 05, 2009, 10:53:19 PM
Naseeeeeeeeeem shut the fook up you fat twat >:(


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: boxing4eva on December 05, 2009, 10:53:42 PM
Salita not beat in 30 fights yet people still doubt what Khan has.
I would suggest that you look again at the fight and if you still cannot see the crudententials of this young BRITISH guy, then i suggest you look at your own agenda.
Khan and Mitchell absolutely mustard tonite.

Nonsense. Salita has been matchmade and was well known prior to this fight that he was terrible. This fight told us nothing about Khan.

We will know what quality he has the day he fight someone who poses a risk


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 10:53:46 PM
Why not fight Mitchell next?

That would be good, but I want to see him in with the other WBA champ first. Maidana - Khan would be a good fight if they both come out blazing.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 10:53:56 PM
Salita not beat in 30 fights yet people still doubt what Khan has.
I would suggest that you look again at the fight and if you still cannot see the crudententials of this young BRITISH guy, then i suggest you look at your own agenda.
Khan and Mitchell absolutely mustard tonite.

It's not about that because we all know what Khan possesses, I mean bloody hell he's had enough easy fights to showcase what he has. How about he fights someone with genuine pedigree and we will see what he's really made of.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: The Flaccid Member on December 05, 2009, 10:54:22 PM
Well I'm unbeaten...... Oh, the phones going now..... Hello Fwank! ;D

Fwank (deep breathing) : "what are you wearing at the moment Wheelchair"
more deep breathing, sound of zip going.....


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 05, 2009, 10:54:47 PM
While it was a complete mismatch, Salita was a joke.  You cant blame Frank or Khan for that, he was a mandatory challenger and he HAD to fight him.  I actually think Khan and Freddie would of rather it lasted a few rounds, to actually get further experience under Freddie.

Gaz for Mitchell to fight Khan, he would have to step up again to LWW.  Khan wont step down, and why should he?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 10:55:46 PM
Fwank (deep breathing) : "what are you wearing at the moment Wheelchair"
more deep breathing, sound of zip going.....

God, I'm gonna have nightmares now!

I'd beat Khan easy, sitting in my chair I'm too low for him to hit! ;D

W*****'s just realised that, and the deal's off!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 05, 2009, 10:55:58 PM
seriously what do you guys want he beat the number one contender. Its not Khans fault the guy was utter crap it wasn't even a great punch for the first knock down and the other thing is it was telegraphed he should never have been caught by that.

I think that Fwank looked unhappy at the thought of him going to america.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 10:56:06 PM
While it was a complete mismatch, Salita was a joke.  You cant blame Frank or Khan for that, he was a mandatory challenger and he HAD to fight him.  I actually think Khan and Freddie would of rather it lasted a few rounds, to actually get further experience under Freddie.

Gaz for Mitchell to fight Khan, he would have to step up again to LWW.  Khan wont step down, and why should he?

And that couldn't happen because..


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 10:56:15 PM
While it was a complete mismatch, Salita was a joke.  You cant blame Frank or Khan for that, he was a mandatory challenger and he HAD to fight him.  I actually think Khan and Freddie would of rather it lasted a few rounds, to actually get further experience under Freddie.

Gaz for Mitchell to fight Khan, he would have to step up again to LWW.  Khan wont step down, and why should he?

He is exactly the man to blame imo.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: tomstrong on December 05, 2009, 10:57:36 PM
Well I'm unbeaten...... Oh, the phones going now..... Hello Fwank! ;D

IQ fella, that is a quailty post..


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: fil1979 on December 05, 2009, 10:58:38 PM
Congratulations Amir! great work there! :)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joev on December 05, 2009, 10:59:34 PM
if anyones watching that bit of the degale fight too... is it okay to hit round the back of the head with the inside of the gloves (and a bit of forearm/elbow by the looks of things) ?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: WelshDevilRob on December 05, 2009, 10:59:47 PM
MAIDANA NEXT PLEASE!

You mean Edison Miranda next. ;D

Khan looked great and Salita looked and acted like a guy who has been floored in the 1st round a few times. 50% Ko record for Salita and his wins are against nobodies. I don't know how he was a number 1 contender.

But Khan beat him easily and well.

I laughed at the ringside interviews. Khan and Roach want to conquer America - and full credit to them. Frank W***** didn't seem keen on the US. FW probably wants another 10 defences against Salita. ;D

This was the end of the Frank W***** contract - so Frank has to back him to the US if he wants a part of it.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Harvey on December 05, 2009, 11:00:05 PM
So when manny battered ricky was that a mismatch

Salita was a mandatory - khan did the job.



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 05, 2009, 11:00:45 PM
He is exactly the man to blame imo.

Why is Frank to blame?  It was his first defence against a mandatory fighter, if he didnt fight him he would of had to forfiet the belt.  Dont get me wrong I dont like W***** anymore than the next bloke but he isnt to blame for the fight.

If you want to have a go at Frank,  moan at him for making the fight PPV.  


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Faulks on December 05, 2009, 11:01:04 PM
So when manny battered ricky was that a mismatch

Salita was a mandatory - khan did the job.



Good post


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:01:34 PM
So when manny battered ricky was that a mismatch

Salita was a mandatory - khan did the job.



Amir did that's right, question is, will the quality of his opponents go up now?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:02:02 PM
So when manny battered ricky was that a mismatch

Salita was a mandatory - khan did the job.



Well yeah...!  ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:02:15 PM
So when manny battered ricky was that a mismatch

Salita was a mandatory - khan did the job.



As it turned out yes, hard to say otherwise after a two round KO.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: WelshDevilRob on December 05, 2009, 11:02:54 PM
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Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: pogo on December 05, 2009, 11:03:11 PM
So when manny battered ricky was that a mismatch

Salita was a mandatory - khan did the job.



exactly mate, but some folks will never be happy no matter what Khan does.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:03:33 PM
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Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: King Cotto on December 05, 2009, 11:03:46 PM
mandatory doesnt equal top notch


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: WelshDevilRob on December 05, 2009, 11:04:05 PM
Is there a mis-match of the year section then!? ;D

Haha could be one added. ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Faulks on December 05, 2009, 11:04:16 PM
Amir did that's right, question is, will the quality of his opponents go up now?

Mate he had no choice in who he was fighting... Not Khans fault??


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:04:53 PM
exactly mate, but some folks will never be happy no matter what Khan does.

Give him credit yeah but what annoys me now is he will act and be treated like he has just beat a HOF undefeated superb fighter, i aint that annoyed to be honest because am not that supprised but if i had paid 15 for Sky box office or 30 plus for a ticket id be fumin.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:05:00 PM
exactly mate, but some folks will never be happy no matter what Khan does.

If he hits the floor I reckon some will be happy. ;)

Not me though, I'd like to see him test himself against the best. Salita wasn't that by a long chalk, No1 contender or not.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: The Flaccid Member on December 05, 2009, 11:05:13 PM
For anyone that missed it

Amir Khan KO1 Dmitri Salita (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzKPzhVm6gQ#normal)



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: fil1979 on December 05, 2009, 11:05:45 PM
shouldn't we be happy and supportive of this young guy who just won his title defense? I mean I really don't get why people are so hard on khan.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:06:27 PM
shouldn't we be happy and supportive of this young guy who just won his title defense? I mean I really don't get why people are so hard on khan.

Because he reckons he's as good as Manny that's why.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:06:57 PM
exactly mate, but some folks will never be happy no matter what Khan does.

People will be happy when he fights genuine top drawer world class fighters and looks equally as dominant as he did tonight.

All people want is to see some value for money when they pay their box office fees. Not too much to ask is it. Of course any fight can end in one round, but if Khan can produce that kind of display against a Diaz or Marquez, then fair play to him. If he's going to be fighting bums in Newcastle then his stock will not rise among British fans.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:07:22 PM
People will be happy when he fights genuine top drawer world class fighters and looks equally as dominant as he did tonight.


Well put Gaz.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 05, 2009, 11:07:48 PM
mandatory doesnt equal top notch

No your right it doesnt,  but it shows fighters who have worked there way up the rankings and Khan HAD to fight him.

The lad is 23, in his first world title fight,  why do people want him to step up straight away beyond his league to get knocked out?  In my opinion he should fight mandatorys for another year, get some experience and then if he is still champ, then go for the real big names.  Whats the point of him fighting Manny, Mayweather, Marquez etc and losing again, he is 23!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Skav on December 05, 2009, 11:08:19 PM
Khan put in a good performance but I find it difficult to believe that Salita was even in the WBA top 10, let alone no.1 mandatory.

Like has been said before, yeah, Salita was no.1 mandatory but Frank wouldn't let Khan near him if Salita was even remotely a threat to him.

Let me just say that we would know a hell of a lot more about Khan if he got away from W***** and he was allowed to unleash himself against the Maidana's and Alexander's of the division but I don't doubt Khan's desire, I know he wants to.

Was this fight really the last of Khan's contract with W*****? If so then he should do himself a favour and tell Frank to jog on at this point.




Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Lane on December 05, 2009, 11:08:33 PM
Basically khan should fight one pf these fighters nextmitchell madiana ortiz maarqueZ or garron a real contender should be next


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:08:42 PM
shouldn't we be happy and supportive of this young guy who just won his title defense? I mean I really don't get why people are so hard on khan.

If you were familiar with Khan's career path and some of the shite that has been spouted from him and his camp even before he turned pro then you would understand the continued indifference towards him.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Faulks on December 05, 2009, 11:09:27 PM
People will be happy when he fights genuine top drawer world class fighters and looks equally as dominant as he did tonight.

All people want is to see some value for money when they pay their box office fees. Not too much to ask is it. Of course any fight can end in one round, but if Khan can produce that kind of display against a Diaz or Marquez, then fair play to him. If he's going to be fighting bums in Newcastle then his stock will not rise among British fans.

Gaz he had no choice.... You hear his interview afterwards? W***** is holding this lad back thats it


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:09:38 PM
No your right it doesnt,  but it shows fighters who have worked there way up the rankings and Khan HAD to fight him.

The lad is 23, in his first world title fight,  why do people want him to step up straight away beyond his league to get knocked out?  In my opinion he should fight mandatorys for another year, get some experience and then if he is still champ, then go for the real big names.  Whats the point of him fighting Manny, Mayweather, Marquez etc and losing again, he is 23!

Because he believes he can step up and dominate. So why not go ahead and back up such bold statements!



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:10:30 PM
Gaz he had no choice.... You hear his interview afterwards? W***** is holding this lad back thats it

He has a choice now doesn't he.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:11:10 PM
Because he believes he can step up and dominate. So why not go ahead and back up such bold statements!



Exactly, do something or get off the pot. Time to step up Amir, we Khan't take anymore crap opponents.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on December 05, 2009, 11:11:47 PM
I can't say nothing about that fight, a wins a win right?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:12:26 PM
I dont even care about the Salita fight anymore, there are obvious challenges out there for him and if he wants to back up what he says he could get the fights pretty easy.

Salita has officially a worst chin than khan, them punches where ok at best and not even close to knockout material, not to a "number one" contender.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:12:38 PM
I can't say nothing about that fight, a wins a win right?

True.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: pogo on December 05, 2009, 11:12:57 PM
I hope Maidana is up next for if he couldnt deal with Kotelnik then Khans speed will make a mockery of him.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: whieldon on December 05, 2009, 11:13:18 PM
guys most world champions fight loads of average mandatory opponents when they win the first world championship i mean cmon calzaghe did it for years!

hatton did it

they all do it its the experience that takes them to the top the lad has only had 23 matches hes still a baby

give him time hes got all the skills he needs to be right at the top


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:13:45 PM
I hope Maidana is up next for if he couldnt deal with Kotelnik then Khans speed will make a mockery of him.

Let's hope we get to find out. Win or lose for Amir, it should be exciting.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 05, 2009, 11:13:57 PM
Sorry but as someone who boxes that first punch is a joke to get caught with in the first ten seconds. If you watch it its a straight right hand little hip and I do wonder how much power was in it. I have to say the guy must have been utterly crap the way his legs went.

None of this is Khans fault though none of it at all he can only beat whats put in front of him and well it was junk. Khan now needs a test we are learning nothing new about him now he needs a better quality of opponent now.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 05, 2009, 11:14:07 PM
Nonsense. Salita has been matchmade and was well known prior to this fight that he was terrible. This fight told us nothing about Khan.

We will know what quality he has the day he fight someone who poses a risk

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
beginning to sound like a bore. What next he fought someone who tripped over his shoes? Admit you dont like the kid for non boxing reasons, you may be a clown but at leat have convictions in your idiocy. Under Roach Khan will be a great champion. Prove me wrong with facts.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: fil1979 on December 05, 2009, 11:14:19 PM
Because he reckons he's as good as Manny that's why.

I know  bro and I still remember him talking about fighting Manny after the David Diaz fight last year and I also think he was pretty damn cocky back then. But you know what after that KO defeat to presscott it brought him back down to earth and after awhile I realized he's really not that bad at all, seems cocky but for the most part he comes across well especially after that humiliating 54 second KO he suffered last year.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Red on December 05, 2009, 11:14:22 PM
W***** is no mug and he was not letting fireworks off because Khan beat Salita tonight. I look through Salita's record and see absolutely nobody on it. Tonight told us more about Salita than it did about Khan.

I want to see someone who has walked the walk at 140 and can take a shot and give one back, before drawing any conclusions.

I give Khan credit for getting him out of there in style tonight, he did the business.

Let's see where Salita goes from here - my guess it's 'nowhere'.







Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Huddersfieldterrier on December 05, 2009, 11:14:33 PM
Fair play to Khan tonight he did the job but im not having that as a world class opponent.

i want to see him in with Ortiz, Maidana, alexanda, Bradley or Marquez next.

My preference would be Maidana!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:14:54 PM
guys most world champions fight loads of average mandatory opponents when they win the first world championship i mean cmon calzaghe did it for years!

hatton did it

they all do it its the experience that takes them to the top the lad has only had 23 matches hes still a baby

give him time hes got all the skills he needs to be right at the top

But his boasts of greatness are very tiresome, he should just get on with fighting, not talking.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Faulks on December 05, 2009, 11:15:07 PM
He has a choice now doesn't he.

Yes mate and i believe he'll make the right choice.. People saying he's fighting a bum just now need to wake up.. He had no choice he fought who he had to.

I think he'l be off soon and THEN we can all judge him. Cant have a go at him for what, Em that master display he's just put on ...

Only time will tell mate


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Skav on December 05, 2009, 11:15:13 PM
I think SKY have packed up and gone home.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:15:38 PM
I can't say nothing about that fight, a wins a win right?

Yup!

To be fair I did read that Salita was vulnerable to the right cross, and that was the shot that finished him more or less. One punch to knock the fight out of him though? Pathetic.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:16:17 PM
I think SKY have packed up and gone home.

They're rather embarrassed I reckon!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 05, 2009, 11:16:53 PM
But his boasts of greatness are very tiresome, he should just get on with fighting, not talking.

Like tonite?
F*ck me just admit you will never like the lad and have done with it. At least have the strength of your own beliefs, they may be wrong but at least have the bollox to speak up for them!!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 05, 2009, 11:16:59 PM
Because he believes he can step up and dominate. So why not go ahead and back up such bold statements!



Gaz, he is a boxer who has got to be full of confidence,  if you go into the ring with no confidence and no belief then what is the point?  I cant think of any boxer who doesnt speak  themselves up.  


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:17:21 PM
W***** is no mug and he was not letting fireworks off because Khan beat Salita tonight. I look through Salita's record and see absolutely nobody on it. Tonight told us more about Salita than it did about Khan.

I want to see someone who has walked the walk at 140 and can take a shot and give one back, before drawing any conclusions.

I give Khan credit for getting him out of there in style tonight, he did the business.

Let's see where Salita goes from here - my guess it's 'nowhere'.






I did the exact same a hour before the fight tonight mate, thats why i refuse to kiss Khans asse after beating someone like that, he did it well but it will not justify the shite he wil talk now and the hype he will get.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:17:42 PM
Like tonite?
F**k me just admit you will never like the lad and have done with it. At least have the strength of your own beliefs, they may be wrong but at least have the bollox to speak up for them!!

I don't mind him actually, I just think its about time he stepped it up.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Skav on December 05, 2009, 11:17:50 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
beginning to sound like a bore. What next he fought someone who tripped over his shoes? Admit you dont like the kid for non boxing reasons, you may be a clown but at leat have convictions in your idiocy. Under Roach Khan will be a great champion. Prove me wrong with facts.

To be fair, Jim, you was the first one to bring up the hint about racism with your other post when there was no need for it. It will only fuel a fire when it may not even be true.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:19:37 PM
To all those who justify the fight by banging on about its a mandatory, what will you say if he vacates to fight poor old Ricky than fight Maidana who is in the form of his life and is now Mandatory?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 05, 2009, 11:19:59 PM
To be fair, Jim, you was the first one to bring up the hint about racism with your other post when there was no need for it. It will only fuel a fire when it may not even be true.

Who said anything about racism?
The non boxing reasons i was talking about was Wheelchairs open hatred towards W*****!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:20:02 PM
To all those who justify the fight by banging on about its a mandatory, what will you say if he vacates to fight poor old Ricky than fight Maidana who is in the form of his life and is now Mandatory?

Good point.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: boxing4eva on December 05, 2009, 11:20:07 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
beginning to sound like a bore. What next he fought someone who tripped over his shoes? Admit you dont like the kid for non boxing reasons, you may be a clown but at leat have convictions in your idiocy. Under Roach Khan will be a great champion. Prove me wrong with facts.

I respect fighters who knowingly fight people who pose a risk. He has never done this, It's a simple fact. It wouldn't matter if they tripped over their shoes, aslong as they were a decent fighter and Khan agreed to fight them. Until that day comes nothing will be known about how class he is.

If he fights either Maidana, Devon Alexander, Juan Diaz, Marquez, Ortiz, then we might learn something, and depending on his performance, credit


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: joey_ed27 on December 05, 2009, 11:20:19 PM
Just no love for Khan... why is that so?  If he destroys the opposition, he fought  bums. Had he struggled or lost the other fighter becomes a legit monster.  I see some of you are calling him to fight Victor Ortiz's conqueror. No disrespect meant as I have not followed fhis fights prior to Ortiz, but whose to say that Maldiana's going to be a TRUE test for Khan? His shot to fame was agaisnt someone who Goldenboy and Top Rank before were feeding bums.  


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:20:35 PM
Yes mate and i believe he'll make the right choice.. People saying he's fighting a bum just now need to wake up.. He had no choice he fought who he had to.

I think he'l be off soon and THEN we can all judge him. Cant have a go at him for what, Em that master display he's just put on ...

Only time will tell mate

It's not about blaming Khan himself because I am quite sure that he didn't pick Salita himself. I'm sure he would probably pick Hatton or Marquez if he could. It's basically a lament about a kid with obvious talent, speed, skill. He is being trained by a masterful trainer and is looking like he could possibly back up his proclamations. But he then gets box office fights against useless tossers like this Salita. It's not on and of course everyone's favourite whipping boy Fwank takes the blame for it.

Hopefully now Khan can let himself off the leash a little and test himself properly. It's not on to expect fans to pay over the odds for complete farces like tonight.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:21:06 PM
I think Maidana is a good step up for Khan, and he's the other WBA champ too.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:21:52 PM
I respect fighters who knowingly fight people who pose a risk. He has never done this, It's a simple fact. It wouldn't matter if they tripped over their shoes, aslong as they were a decent fighter and Khan agreed to fight them. Until that day comes nothing will be known about how class he is.

If he fights either Maidana, Devon Alexander, Juan Diaz, Marquez, Ortiz, then we might learn something, and depending on his performance, credit

Good post.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:22:04 PM
Just no love for Khan... why is that so?  If he destroys the opposition, he fought  bums. Had he struggled or lost the other fighter becomes a legit monster.  I see some of you are calling him to fight Victor Ortiz's conqueror. No disrespect meant as I have not followed fhis fights prior to Ortiz, but whose to say that Maldiana's going to be a TRUE test for Khan? His shot to fame was agaisnt someone who Goldenboy and Top Rank before were feeding bums.  

But they are both ten times the test of anyone Khan has faced, FACT.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Faulks on December 05, 2009, 11:22:24 PM
It's not about blaming Khan himself because I am quite sure that he didn't pick Salita himself. I'm sure he would probably pick Hatton or Marquez if he could. It's basically a lament about a kid with obvious talent, speed, skill. He is being trained by a masterful trainer and is looking like he could possibly back up his proclamations. But he then gets box office fights against useless tossers like this Salita. It's not on and of course everyone's favourite whipping boy Fwank takes the blame for it.

Hopefully now Khan can let himself off the leash a little and test himself properly. It's not on to expect fans to pay over the odds for complete farces like tonight.

Fair comment Gaz


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: dallykint on December 05, 2009, 11:22:32 PM
Basically khan should fight one pf these fighters nextmitchell madiana ortiz maarqueZ or garron a real contender should be next


Not sure about Ortiz mate.I've criticised Maidana a little in the past but he atleast put himself near the elite of the junior welterweights by beating Ortiz.I just don't see Ortiz as a step forward for Khan at this point unless he makes huge strides in his next two to three fights.


Devon Alexander has got alot of talent I think,and their both relatively close at this point in their career's.I reckon it's a pretty good match right there.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:22:44 PM
Gaz, he is a boxer who has got to be full of confidence,  if you go into the ring with no confidence and no belief then what is the point?  I cant think of any boxer who doesnt speak  themselves up.  

I am not criticising Khan for having confidence. I am not criticising Khan at all really. I have alway resented the way his career has been managed in terms of being a headliner by fighting no-one, but he himself has made the right choices in going to Roach to improve his boxing skills after the Prescott humiliation. Now is the time for another right decision to be made. Get away from W***** and test yourself. What can you really learn from finishing a guy with the first decent shot you throw?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Skav on December 05, 2009, 11:22:49 PM
Who said anything about racism?
The non boxing reasons i was talking about was Wheelchairs open hatred towards W*****!

"I would suggest that you look again at the fight and if you still cannot see the crudententials of this young BRITISH guy then I suggest you look at your own agenda"




Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Marks1 on December 05, 2009, 11:23:05 PM
I think one look at Salita's record tells you all you ned to know about his quality. He was puy down twice in one round by a guy with 2 ko's to his name (can't believe i went for a UD in the prediction league  :-[).

Credit to Khan, finished the fight brilliantly. Can't knock him for fighting his number one contender either.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: fil1979 on December 05, 2009, 11:23:22 PM
Man, now I get it why Khan wants to permanently relocate to the "home of the brave and land of the free!" and fight there for good to further his career.  ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 05, 2009, 11:23:44 PM
I respect fighters who knowingly fight people who pose a risk. He has never done this, It's a simple fact. It wouldn't matter if they tripped over their shoes, aslong as they were a decent fighter and Khan agreed to fight them. Until that day comes nothing will be known about how class he is.

If he fights either Maidana, Devon Alexander, Juan Diaz, Marquez, Ortiz, then we might learn something, and depending on his performance, credit

If he fought Madiena you would say he was over-hyped, juan diaz - one diamensional, Marquez - too small, Ortiz - sounds like a biscuit.
The kid wont win in some peoples eyes, but if you cannot see class when its in front of your eyes then you wont see it when it hits you between them.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:24:31 PM
Man, now I get it why Khan wants to permanently relocate to the "home of the brave and land of the free!" and fight there for good to further his career.  ;D

You don't get your dues by fighting nobodies when you are clearly ready for a step up in class.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:24:56 PM
If Amir can do what he did tonight against Maidana and Marquez he'd get my respect.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 05, 2009, 11:25:47 PM
"I would suggest that you look again at the fight and if you still cannot see the crudententials of this young BRITISH guy then I suggest you look at your own agenda"




Patriotism and racism shpuld not be confused. That's a major problem these days.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:26:03 PM
If he fought Madiena you would say he was over-hyped, juan diaz - one diamensional, Marquez - too small, Ortiz - sounds like a biscuit.
The kid wont win in some peoples eyes, but if you cannot see class when its in front of your eyes then you wont see it when it hits you between them.

Can you see class in 76 seconds and about 12 punches landed if that?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: dallykint on December 05, 2009, 11:26:58 PM
If Amir can do what he did tonight against Maidana and Marquez he'd get my respect.


Marquez? I think your expectations are a little high there.Nobody would do that to Marquez at this point.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:27:07 PM
If Amir can do what he did tonight against Maidana and Marquez he'd get my respect.
If he fights them he gets mine result regardless, but down bang on about how good you are just because your beating nobodys then after you bang on some more you face some more no hopers who are poo.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:27:19 PM
If Amir can do what he did tonight against Maidana and Marquez he'd get my respect.

I think he'd beat Maidana easily. Maidana is heavy handed but he's not very quick and he throws pretty wide, wild shots. Khan would lace him down the middle.

Marquez is a different matter.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:28:30 PM

Marquez? I think your expectations are a little high there.Nobody would do that to Marquez at this point.

Oh, I agree with you entirely on that point!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 05, 2009, 11:28:56 PM
To all those who justify the fight by banging on about its a mandatory, what will you say if he vacates to fight poor old Ricky than fight Maidana who is in the form of his life and is now Mandatory?

I wouldnt say anything.  Ricky to me is still a more dangerous fighter than Maidana and he would be giving up a belt to have a MASSIVE domestic fight, which will be a huge payday.  If he fights mandatorys for the next year its not a problem,  if he does it for the rest of his career then it does become a joke.   Similar to Haye,  I understand him having to fight his mandatory next, however if he has to drop the belt to have a MEGA fight with one Klitscho then what can you do.      



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: whieldon on December 05, 2009, 11:29:27 PM
didnt kotelink win maidana?

and didnt kahn win kotelink?

or am i wrong?!?!  ???


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:29:58 PM
I think he'd beat Maidana easily. Maidana is heavy handed but he's not very quick and he throws pretty wide, wild shots. Khan would lace him down the middle.

Marquez is a different matter.

But would he hang around long enough to actually hurt Maidana, the shots he thrown against Kotelnik would not phase Maidana and he going to open up at some point. But it is a fight he can win whcih would do more then 50 salita wins so get it done.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 05, 2009, 11:30:37 PM
Why would Marquez fight khan. Khans problem now is going to be getting a big fight. people are going to look at his age his ko percentage his last fight his training team and a lot of guys will avoid Khan now.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:30:47 PM
didnt kotelink win maidana?

and didnt kahn win kotelink?

or am i wrong?!?!  ???

You're right. Maidana lost in controversial fashion to Kotelnik though.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:31:05 PM
I wouldnt say anything.  Ricky to me is still a more dangerous fighter than Maidana and he would be giving up a belt to have a MASSIVE domestic fight, which will be a huge payday.  If he fights mandatorys for the next year its not a problem,  if he does it for the rest of his career then it does become a joke.   Similar to Haye,  I understand him having to fight his mandatory next, however if he has to drop the belt to have a MEGA fight with one Klitscho then what can you do.      



You a clazaghe fan at all?  ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: whieldon on December 05, 2009, 11:31:38 PM
Why would Marquez fight khan. Khans problem now is going to be getting a big fight. people are going to look at his age his ko percentage his last fight his training team and a lot of guys will avoid Khan now.
im sure kahn could find a big fight if he wanted kahn is worth alot of money to people now :) people pay for ppv's to watch im


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:32:33 PM
I do have to laugh at the Khan fanboys on here. A few minutes ago my IQ was 79. I post about Khan and its down to 76! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:33:12 PM
But would he hang around long enough to actually hurt Maidana, the shots he thrown against Kotelnik would not phase Maidana and he going to open up at some point. But it is a fight he can win whcih would do more then 50 salita wins so get it done.

True, Maidana is obviously in good form having beaten Ortiz. Seeing how strong Khan looks at the weight I can imagine he would hang around long enough though. I think he would back himself to land 3 or 4 shots in quick succession without getting tagged by a wide hook. Just an early impression I have of the fight if it were to be made.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 05, 2009, 11:33:29 PM
I do have to laugh at the Khan fanboys on here. A few minutes ago my IQ was 79. I post about Khan and its down to 76! ;D

I can honnestly say it was nowt to do with me.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: whieldon on December 05, 2009, 11:34:07 PM
I do have to laugh at the Khan fanboys on here. A few minutes ago my IQ was 79. I post about Khan and its down to 76! ;D

mate my IQ was 4 untill i started to post about how i think mayweather will win pacquiao by UD haha :P how do u add or take away IQ's from people only mods can do it?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:34:21 PM
I can honnestly say it was nowt to do with me.

Its all quite funny really! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:34:41 PM
mate my IQ was 4 untill i started to post about how i think mayweather will win pacquiao by UD haha :P how do u add or take away IQ's from people only mods can do it?

You need 100 posts to IQ.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:35:04 PM
I do have to laugh at the Khan fanboys on here. A few minutes ago my IQ was 79. I post about Khan and its down to 76! ;D

Haha I've one down one as well. That Khan fight has obviously dimmed my IQ!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 05, 2009, 11:35:47 PM
Its all quite funny really! ;D

Me too, i was posting pro-khan stuff and ive gone down 3 pts in the last 10 mins!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: whieldon on December 05, 2009, 11:35:51 PM
You need 100 posts to IQ.

oo not far then for me :P

really they should make it so only mods can add or take IQ or something because if u have an opinion that other people dont like u loose IQ bull shit really :P


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:35:56 PM
Haha I've one down one as well. That Khan fight has obviously dimmed my IQ!

We'll be troubling the minus column soon! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:36:13 PM
True, Maidana is obviously in good form having beaten Ortiz. Seeing how strong Khan looks at the weight I can imagine he would hang around long enough though. I think he would back himself to land 3 or 4 shots in quick succession without getting tagged by a wide hook. Just an early impression I have of the fight if it were to be made.

Thats what i mean mate, Khan rarely plants his feet and regardless of tonight he is not a big puncher so if he is punching on his toes then there can not be alot in them.
Lets not forget Ortiz quit against Maidana in a rather embarrasing way,  i think this should give Amir conifdence to be honest as he does have the skill to do well against this guy he just needs to get in with him.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 05, 2009, 11:36:18 PM
You a clazaghe fan at all?  ;D

haha I like Calzaghe. However that is an example of fighting too many mandatorys.  Similar to Hatton until he took on Kosta.  I think my main point is he is 23,  he has got at least another 7 years in the sport, he can afford to get some experience under his belt, get a few paydays and then take the risks when he is ready.   Whats the point of rushing him and his career potentially being over at 23?  I would be interested to see how other boxers faired with their records at 23 and with his amount of fights.

  


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:36:58 PM
Me too, i was posting pro-khan stuff and ive gone down 3 pts in the last 10 mins!

Some people take that [sad] button very seriously! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 05, 2009, 11:37:11 PM
im sure kahn could find a big fight if he wanted kahn is worth alot of money to people now :) people pay for ppv's to watch im

So are you saying Marquez can make as much money fighting Khan as he could Ricky trust me a lot of big names won't risk fighting Khan Ricky had a similar problem.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:37:59 PM
Thats what i mean mate, Khan rarely plants his feet and regardless of tonight he is not a big puncher so if he is punching on his toes then there can not be alot in them.
Lets not forget Ortiz quit against Maidana in a rather embarrasing way,  i think this should give Amir conifdence to be honest as he does have the skill to do well against this guy he just needs to get in with him.

It is a good fight for him to take for sure. He would win pretty easily in my eyes but at least it would be against an in-form fighter who deserves his high ranking.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: whieldon on December 05, 2009, 11:39:26 PM
So are you saying Marquez can make as much money fighting Khan as he could Ricky trust me a lot of big names won't risk fighting Khan Ricky had a similar problem.

did i either say for one second that kahn brings in as much money as hatton???????? nope i didnt lol dont put words in my mouth please :D

im just saying that there is good big names out there that kahn could fight if he chose to do so...

example manny pacquiao offered kahn a fight not to long ago :) can u get much bigger than that


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:39:56 PM
Ha Ha! ;D

I'm down another point! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: whieldon on December 05, 2009, 11:40:55 PM
Ha Ha! ;D

I'm down another point! ;D

ive just gone down a point rediculas really


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:41:16 PM
haha I like Calzaghe. However that is an example of fighting too many mandatorys.  Similar to Hatton until he took on Kosta.  I think my main point is he is 23,  he has got at least another 7 years in the sport, he can afford to get some experience under his belt, get a few paydays and then take the risks when he is ready.   Whats the point of rushing him and his career potentially being over at 23?  I would be interested to see how other boxers faired with their records at 23 and with his amount of fights.

  
And i would have no problem if he spoke like that, come out and say i have my belt i wanna get more expirience under my belt and defend it a few times and then see how i go against the top guys in the divsion.

Not saying shite like im ready for the big guns or stuff close to that effect, he is not now and never will be ready for Floyd or Manny for as long as they have left in the sport and nobody would ridicule him for admitting that. Hes a kids till,  crawl before you walk learn the game propper and then when you are ready make that step not shouting about it when your not.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kurtprophet on December 05, 2009, 11:41:27 PM
Went for a long run, feel alot better now & have calmed down a bit.
What the fook has happened to wheelchairs iq  :'(
Going for another run to calm down again 8)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: whieldon on December 05, 2009, 11:42:12 PM
Went for a long run, feel alot better now & have calmed down a bit.
What the fook has happened to wheelchairs iq  :'(
Going for another run to calm down again 8)

haha i love reading your posts alwasy weird or funny well im off guys xD


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz Calzaghe on December 05, 2009, 11:42:24 PM
......  :-X

Come back in 2 years time and we can b*tch who he has fought won/lost against.

He only won the title July 18th 2009, yes this year not 07....


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:42:30 PM
It is a good fight for him to take for sure. He would win pretty easily in my eyes but at least it would be against an in-form fighter who deserves his high ranking.
Yup who has a known name on his resume.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Faulks on December 05, 2009, 11:42:39 PM
Me too, i was posting pro-khan stuff and ive gone down 3 pts in the last 10 mins!

 ;D i got smashed for saying i hope PBF beats Manny and for saying there were race issues in UK..

If i give or take i say.. Simples  ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:42:43 PM
Went for a long run, feel alot better now & have calmed down a bit.
What the fook has happened to wheelchairs iq  :'(
Going for another run to calm down again 8)

I'm gonna be after your minus ranking now! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:43:10 PM
Ha Ha! ;D

I'm down another point! ;D

Me too! Do we have a Khantard brigade on board? Marvellous isn't it! Just what this forum needs... //  :D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:43:54 PM
My IQ points are going down quicker than Salita! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:44:33 PM
My IQ points are going down quicker than Salita! ;D

Steady on mate.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: dunk25 on December 05, 2009, 11:45:27 PM
My IQ points are going down quicker than Salita! ;D
thats mandatory if you slag of the worlds greatest  //


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kurtprophet on December 05, 2009, 11:45:45 PM
I'm gonna be after your minus ranking now! ;D

What the hell did you post to deserve this.
Mods reset Wheelchairs IQ to where it was before King Khans fight >:(



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 05, 2009, 11:46:16 PM
And i would have no problem if he spoke like that, come out and say i have my belt i wanna get more expirience under my belt and defend it a few times and then see how i go against the top guys in the divsion.

Not saying shite like im ready for the big guns or stuff close to that effect, he is not now and never will be ready for Floyd or Manny for as long as they have left in the sport and nobody would ridicule him for admitting that. Hes a kids till,  crawl before you walk learn the game propper and then when you are ready make that step not shouting about it when your not.

The trouble is Aaron I think a lot of his words get twisted.  A post was on here about 2 weeks ago (I think from a Pacman fan) saying, Khan said "he would like to fight Manny, however at this stage he doesnt think he is ready".  The next day the Sun had the headline "I want Manny".  The article was the same, certain lines were missing and the headline alone, was completely against what Khan said.    That  report was put on here and Khan got slaughtered for being too cocky but as far as I am concerned it was the papers twisting things


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: dunk25 on December 05, 2009, 11:46:41 PM
what happened with enzo


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:46:56 PM
WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO

Up a point! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:47:50 PM
So we can expect a Khan vs Ricky match then sometime next year? Id be lieing if i said i could not wait for it, no win for either fighter imo.
Khan wins - He beat a faded Ricky who has no punch resistance and cant make the weight anymore

Rick wins - He beat the glass jawed kid who has not had a real test in his whole career and got KO'd in the first half decent one.

There not my opinion but i think it would not be far of general opinion's depending on result.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: dallykint on December 05, 2009, 11:47:59 PM
Me too! Do we have a Khantard brigade on board? Marvellous isn't it! Just what this forum needs... //  :D

I'm gonna be after your minus ranking now! ;D

;D i got smashed for saying i hope PBF beats Manny and for saying there were race issues in UK..

If i give or take i say.. Simples  ;D



Just because it's the holiday season  ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 05, 2009, 11:48:24 PM
WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO

Up a point! ;D

I was tempted to SC you just to bring you back down to earth!   ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 05, 2009, 11:48:42 PM
Some people take that [sad] button very seriously! ;D

Dont they just! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 05, 2009, 11:49:37 PM
Khan did what he had to do tonight he took the Guy out with a good shot and didn't give him time to recover by following on the onslaught. Salita was a mandatory challanger and Khan had no option but to face him so him and Frank can't be blamed for the miss match what we all witnessed.
Khan as improved a great deal under Roach and will get better in every fight. I think he could beat anybody at 140 because most of the Guys around aren't anything special.
I think who ever he faces next will always be scrutinised because people want to see him fail. Is it because he is confident in his own ability or purely down to him being a Pakisitani and people want to see him fail. I feel he is unfairly targeted because of who he is and not by what he is said previously. He as shown that he can comeback from a defeat and shown that he as a massive future in front of him. I wish him well and I think he could well be the dominate force in this division if he can secure the right fights.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:49:42 PM
Well they'll pay, I'm one mean wheelchair user. I'll crush their toes! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Skav on December 05, 2009, 11:50:14 PM
what happened with enzo


Is the boxing even still going at the arena? The result is that he hasn't even fought yet on boxrec:

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=009195&cat=boxer (http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=009195&cat=boxer)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 05, 2009, 11:52:04 PM
So we can expect a Khan vs Ricky match then sometime next year? Id be lieing if i said i could not wait for it, no win for either fighter imo.
Khan wins - He beat a faded Ricky who has no punch resistance and cant make the weight anymore

Rick wins - He beat the glass jawed kid who has not had a real test in his whole career and got KO'd in the first half decent one.

There not my opinion but i think it would not be far of general opinion's depending on result.

To  be honest I still think Ricky would win.  I dont think Khan has a solid punch, and I have said that before.  I think if Ricky landed then it would be game over.

I dont know how faded Ricky is to be honest. I thought he had gone against Pacman, but now looking at the Cotto fight, its made me think was Manny just too good.  If Cotto hadnt of been troubled by Mannys power then I would of said Rick was finished.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 05, 2009, 11:53:50 PM
So we can expect a Khan vs Ricky match then sometime next year? Id be lieing if i said i could not wait for it, no win for either fighter imo.
Khan wins - He beat a faded Ricky who has no punch resistance and cant make the weight anymore

Rick wins - He beat the glass jawed kid who has not had a real test in his whole career and got KO'd in the first half decent one.

There not my opinion but i think it would not be far of general opinion's depending on result.

Amir is to young, to fast and to slick for Ricky and that's why I feel Ricky won't want to face him. Khan as already said he would face him because Hatton still is a cash cow in Boxing but really Hatton doesn't need Khan. If Hatton is to fight on it will be against someone who he can try and bully not someone who he won't see the punches rolling off.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Skav on December 05, 2009, 11:55:34 PM
To  be honest I still think Ricky would win.  I dont think Khan has a solid punch, and I have said that before.  I think if Ricky landed then it would be game over.

I dont know how faded Ricky is to be honest. I thought he had gone against Pacman, but now looking at the Cotto fight, its made me think was Manny just too good.  If Cotto hadnt of been troubled by Mannys power then I would of said Rick was finished.

Good post. Nobody has floored a very sturdy welter version of Cotto yet Pac managed to deck him as early as the third, and again in the fourth which is quite phenomenal.

I never bought into Ricky's lack of punch resistance after the Floyd fight, yes Ricky was caught by Lazcano but if you watch the fight in that tenth round again it was a check left hook. The same punch Ricky was caught with by Mayweather.

Ricky's not had many wars in his career and I'd hardly say the Mayweather fight was career destroying.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: pogo on December 05, 2009, 11:56:06 PM
To  be honest I still think Ricky would win.  I dont think Khan has a solid punch, and I have said that before.  I think if Ricky landed then it would be game over.

I dont know how faded Ricky is to be honest. I thought he had gone against Pacman, but now looking at the Cotto fight, its made me think was Manny just too good.  If Cotto hadnt of been troubled by Mannys power then I would of said Rick was finished.

i think hatton is finished, have you seen the size of him recently? not just that though his punch resistance is gone. i honestly wouldnt give him much of a chance of beating Khan now.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Brick Top on December 05, 2009, 11:56:35 PM
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Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kurtprophet on December 05, 2009, 11:57:10 PM
BTW Khan has just been added to the BBC Sports Personality of the year list in the new categary of Best Fixed Sporting Event >:<


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 05, 2009, 11:57:14 PM
I think who ever he faces next will always be scrutinised because people want to see him fail. Is it because he is confident in his own ability or purely down to him being a Pakisitani and people want to see him fail. I feel he is unfairly targeted because of who he is and not by what he is said previously.
Thats

Thats what I think.  I also think aside from the race issue,  he avoided Murray when on his way up and as a result that has hacked off a lot of fans, as many people feel he got privilages which he didnt deserve.  However now he is a world champ, past Murrays level, so its time to get off his back and start getting behind the lad.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 05, 2009, 11:57:18 PM
A win for Ricky's record over Khan would not be equal to the damage a loss would do imo and thats why i dont want the fight.
Id sooner Ricky had a fight with Jmm and gave him hell for 12 rounds and lose a decision than take the Khan fight to be honest.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 05, 2009, 11:57:23 PM
Well they'll pay, I'm one mean wheelchair user. I'll crush their toes! ;D

My previous post has them worried. Its going back up now! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 05, 2009, 11:58:08 PM
Khan did what he had to do tonight he took the Guy out with a good shot and didn't give him time to recover by following on the onslaught. Salita was a mandatory challanger and Khan had no option but to face him so him and Frank can't be blamed for the miss match what we all witnessed.
Khan as improved a great deal under Roach and will get better in every fight. I think he could beat anybody at 140 because most of the Guys around aren't anything special.
I think who ever he faces next will always be scrutinised because people want to see him fail. Is it because he is confident in his own ability or purely down to him being a Pakisitani and people want to see him fail. I feel he is unfairly targeted because of who he is and not by what he is said previously. He as shown that he can comeback from a defeat and shown that he as a massive future in front of him. I wish him well and I think he could well be the dominate force in this division if he can secure the right fights.

What about those people who just want to see the kid show off his talents against wilier, classier, and generally better opponents? He has had world class coaching for the last year or so, he has a world title, so it's time he started taking charge of his own career now that he isn't under W*****'s contractual obligations. Mandatories are becoming a minor detail anyway so if he wants the big names, then go after them. There's nothing stopping him now.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 05, 2009, 11:59:43 PM
To  be honest I still think Ricky would win.  I dont think Khan has a solid punch, and I have said that before.  I think if Ricky landed then it would be game over.

I dont know how faded Ricky is to be honest. I thought he had gone against Pacman, but now looking at the Cotto fight, its made me think was Manny just too good.  If Cotto hadnt of been troubled by Mannys power then I would of said Rick was finished.

Ricky was on the decline in the Lazcano fight. Yes he won by a landslide but he was badly marked up and shaken late on. He was took apart by Manny because the speed of the punches that landed on him and he couldn't do anything but try and swing his way out of it. Khan as similar speed and although he doesn't have Manny's power the volume of which he lands is just as effective. I can't see how Ricky could impose himself on Khan early on when Khan is at his most dangerous.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Brick Top on December 05, 2009, 11:59:58 PM
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Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: boxing4eva on December 06, 2009, 12:00:02 AM
Ricky needs to retire. Whatever he had left in the tank around the time of the pac fight will be much diminished after a year (assuming he intends to fight around may) of increasing his weight and not staying in shape.

I'd like Khan to fight on the March 13th undercard, but I can't see it happening. The cut in pay would be huge so I would imagine, even if he wants to do it, those around him who make their money through him fighting will be advising him against it.
If he fights on that date it means we should get an opponent named within the next 5-6 weeks


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:02:04 AM
Ricky needs to retire. Whatever he had left in the tank around the time of the pac fight will be much diminished after a year (assuming he intends to fight around may) of increasing his weight and not staying in shape.

I'd like Khan to fight on the March 13th undercard, but I can't see it happening. The cut in pay would be huge so I would imagine, even if he wants to do it, those around him who make their money through him fighting will be advising him against it.
If he fights on that date it means we should get an opponent named within the next 5-6 weeks

Khan vs Madiana on the undercard of the biggest fight in ppv history, he could put his name on the map in the place to do it make some money retain his title and have a real good name on his resume.

Anyone who advises him against that is thinking of themselves not his career which they should be doing.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: MadMariner on December 06, 2009, 12:02:29 AM
what happened with enzo

Won by KO first round.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 06, 2009, 12:02:38 AM
i think hatton is finished, have you seen the size of him recently? not just that though his punch resistance is gone. i honestly wouldnt give him much of a chance of beating Khan now.

He has always been huge inbetween fights, I would just say  that he cant afford to leave it too long before getting back into the ring.  

I dont know how you can say his punch resistance has gone. He got decked by Pacman,  who floored Cotto twice early on aswell.  This is Cotto who took solid punches of Shane Mosley, who is regarded as a huge puncher at welterweight.

  



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:03:28 AM
Won by KO first round.
Salita fight twice? That explains things.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 06, 2009, 12:05:02 AM
BTW Khan has just been added to the BBC Sports Personality of the year list in the new categary of Best Fixed Sporting Event >:<

IQ will be going down my dress-wearing friend! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: pogo on December 06, 2009, 12:05:51 AM
He has always been huge inbetween fights, I would just say  that he cant afford to leave it too long before getting back into the ring.  

I dont know how you can say his punch resistance has gone. He got decked by Pacman,  who floored Cotto twice early on aswell.  This is Cotto who took solid punches of Shane Mosley, who is regarded as a huge puncher at welterweight.

  



After the Lazcano fight i noticed Ricky appeared a little punch drunk. That sent alarm bells ringing and then with what happened against pacman i think everythings begining to catch up with the Hitman. I dont think he should fight again and whilst i recognise he has always balooned in between fights i was watching him at the Macklin fight tonight and i have never seen him bigger.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 06, 2009, 12:06:00 AM
Khan vs Madiana on the undercard of the biggest fight in ppv history, he could put his name on the map in the place to do it make some money retain his title and have a real good name on his resume.

Anyone who advises him against that is thinking of themselves not his career which they should be doing.

I would agree with that.  Also with Sky showing the last Floyd and Manny fights for free, by having Khan on the undercard could mean they could make it PPV in England,  with Khan getting the money from our PPV's.  Similar to the Manny V ODLH fight.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:07:46 AM
I would agree with that.  Also with Sky showing the last Floyd and Manny fights for free, by having Khan on the undercard could mean they could make it PPV in England,  with Khan getting the money from our PPV's.  Similar to the Manny V ODLH fight.

Bang on pal, i do think however Floyd vs Manny will be ppv over here regardless of Khan being there but your suggestion is a good one.
Iq for that and a good chat overall.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 12:08:39 AM
What about those people who just want to see the kid show off his talents against wilier, classier, and generally better opponents? He has had world class coaching for the last year or so, he has a world title, so it's time he started taking charge of his own career now that he isn't under W*****'s contractual obligations. Mandatories are becoming a minor detail anyway so if he wants the big names, then go after them. There's nothing stopping him now.

Hatton and Calzaghe were fighting nobodies for years and Khan fights for a World title in his 2nd fight at a higher weight class in his 21st fight and he gets scrutinised. He wins a landslide decision and then knocks his mandatory out who was unbeaten and people still slag him off. This forum at times is laughable people get themselves hard talking about Hatton and Froch but Khan and Calzaghe get slaughtered for fighting bums and nobodies. If Khan was defending a WBU belt at Bolton arena up until his 39th fight I'd agree with anybody but give the Kid a break he as shown the true measure of what being a great fighter is all about by going to the other side of the world going out of his comfort zone and working hard and looks better in every fight.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:10:14 AM
Hatton and Calzaghe were fighting nobodies for years and Khan fights for a World title in his 2nd fight at a higher weight class in his 21st fight and he gets scrutinised. He wins a landslide decision and then knocks his mandatory out who was unbeaten and people still slag him off. This forum at times is laughable people get themselves hard talking about Hatton and Froch but Khan and Calzaghe get slaughtered for fighting bums and nobodies. If Khan was defending a WBU belt at Bolton arena up until his 39th fight I'd agree with anybody but give the Kid a break he as shown the true measure of what being a great fighter is all about by going to the other side of the world going out of his comfort zone and working hard and looks better in every fight.

Hatton and even Joe where not getting half the build up Khan gets so early on, also they where probably not shouting for the best in the business and acting like they where at such a young stage.

Confidence and arrogance there is a fine line.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 06, 2009, 12:11:56 AM
Hatton and even Joe where not getting half the build up Khan gets so early on, also they where probably not shouting for the best in the business and acting like they where at such a young stage.

Confidence and arrogance there is a fine line.

Well said.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 06, 2009, 12:13:04 AM
Hatton and Calzaghe were fighting nobodies for years and Khan fights for a World title in his 2nd fight at a higher weight class in his 21st fight and he gets scrutinised. He wins a landslide decision and then knocks his mandatory out who was unbeaten and people still slag him off. This forum at times is laughable people get themselves hard talking about Hatton and Froch but Khan and Calzaghe get slaughtered for fighting bums and nobodies. If Khan was defending a WBU belt at Bolton arena up until his 39th fight I'd agree with anybody but give the Kid a break he as shown the true measure of what being a great fighter is all about by going to the other side of the world going out of his comfort zone and working hard and looks better in every fight.


I wouldn't go that far but he is on his way. You can't argue that he should be stepping up the calibre of opposition by now. Hatton and Calzaghe are irrelecant to Khan's career. If he thinks he is ready and Roach thinks he is ready then there is no reason to continue. He'll only become stale if he continues to find it easy against guys who aren't up to the task of challenging him.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 06, 2009, 12:13:23 AM
Bang on pal, i do think however Floyd vs Manny will be ppv over here regardless of Khan being there but your suggestion is a good one.
Iq for that and a good chat overall.

cool cheers pal, back at ya.  




Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Kent_Boxing_Fan on December 06, 2009, 12:13:57 AM
Hatton and even Joe where not getting half the build up Khan gets so early on, also they where probably not shouting for the best in the business and acting like they where at such a young stage.

Confidence and arrogance there is a fine line.

i agree - that king khan s hit

wtf is all that about - he s king of nothing in my eyes, sorry khan fans


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: pogo on December 06, 2009, 12:14:44 AM
Hatton and even Joe where not getting half the build up Khan gets so early on, also they where probably not shouting for the best in the business and acting like they where at such a young stage.

Confidence and arrogance there is a fine line.

every fighter displays a degree of arrogance, thats just part of the game and i dont really think its the main reason Khan gets a hard time.

joe and Ricky never went and did well at the olympics (at such a young age) hence they didnt recieve the same coverage in the early part of their pro career.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:16:19 AM
every fighter displays a degree of arrogance, thats just part of the game and i dont really think its the main reason Khan gets a hard time.

joe and Ricky never went and did well at the olympics (at such a young age) hence they didnt recieve the same coverage in the early part of their pro career.

Ricky also took on the best in the domestic scene, Khan never he got spoon fed right to the title it can not be denied.
Hatton Fan he is not shit lol but as you say he is hardly king yet also so i think you where being a little harsh.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 06, 2009, 12:17:04 AM
Ricky also took on the best in the domestic scene, Khan never he got spoon fed right to the title it can not be denied.
Hatton Fan he is not sh*t lol but as you say he is hardly king yet also so i think you where being a little harsh.

He cleaned it right up infact.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:19:12 AM
He cleaned it right up infact.

Any how many fights after that did it take for him to make ppv? Even though at that time he was probably selling more tickets than Khan is now, Ricky i think lead the way for most of our recent best by leaving Frank and going chasing the big fights rather than letting them come to you.
Joe went to america only after Ricky, Khan now will no doubt have been inspired by watching what Ricky achieved which was only possible really down to his own will power.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 12:19:53 AM
Hatton and even Joe where not getting half the build up Khan gets so early on, also they where probably not shouting for the best in the business and acting like they where at such a young stage.

Confidence and arrogance there is a fine line.

Hatton and Calzaghe weren't sole representative Olympians like Khan and that's where he was cleverly marketed. At least when he lost against Kindelan in Athens he wanted to avenge his loss to him in his last ever fight as a amateurs which shows he isn't afraid to fight the best around.
Yes he as been a bit naive in what he as said but most boxers spout drivel as it sells PPV's and creates headlines. Do you think Floyd Sinclair would be a household name if he went to church every day after training or do you think Hatton would be so popular if he hadn't milked his working class one of the lads persona when he was on top of the division after Tszyu. Khan hasn't said anything that warrants the obvious hatred aimed at him its just people are afraid to admit that the real reason they want to see him fail his because he is a pakistani and had a easy way to the top by ITV, Sky, Reebok and Frank W*****.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Hotdog on December 06, 2009, 12:21:42 AM
Hatton and even Joe where not getting half the build up Khan gets so early on, also they where probably not shouting for the best in the business and acting like they where at such a young stage.

Confidence and arrogance there is a fine line.

Have you seen some of the early Calzaghe fights.  His arrogance was cringeworthy at times!!  

Good points about the Olympics Pogo.  You got to say with the Olympics although its amature, it gets the armchair viewers attention.  DeGale, Gavin, Harrison, Khan etc are probably more well known than say Carl Froch.    Its not fair, however thats more down to how the promoters promote the fighters, rather than anything else.

With Hatton clearing up the domestic scene, I agree its a good way to work your way up and prove yourself. However by Ricky pading his career with domestic fighters, you cant really argue that domestic fighters are better than those at world level (take tonights fight out of the equation).  Its unfair on fighters like Murray but again its down to the promoters and if Murray could of gone the same route and been a world champ now, I bet he would take it.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Red on December 06, 2009, 12:23:32 AM
Cannot say im remotely arsed with maidana either.

The champions are were it's at:

Timothy Bradley, Devon Alexander.

Even Ricardo Torres and Kendall Holt would be good tests.

Not maidana.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:24:28 AM
Hatton and Calzaghe weren't sole representative Olympians like Khan and that's where he was cleverly marketed. At least when he lost against Kindelan in Athens he wanted to avenge his loss to him in his last ever fight as a amateurs which shows he isn't afraid to fight the best around.
Yes he as been a bit naive in what he as said but most boxers spout drivel as it sells PPV's and creates headlines. Do you think Floyd Sinclair would be a household name if he went to church every day after training or do you think Hatton would be so popular if he hadn't milked his working class one of the lads persona when he was on top of the division after Tszyu. Khan hasn't said anything that warrants the obvious hatred aimed at him its just people are afraid to admit that the real reason they want to see him fail his because he is a pakistani and had a easy way to the top by ITV, Sky, Reebok and Frank W*****.

Floyd is where he is because he is one of the most skilled fighters your ever likely to see, he proved his class before he proved his mouth.
The pakistani comment is bollocks imo, there will be a very small minority who pick up on that and for the most part i dont think it has anything to do with his popularity.
Ricky could only "milk" his working class background once he had established a fnabase earnt by his style of fighting, to be honest he did not milk it either imo ad he is still a down to earth person easly accessible to his fans.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:26:43 AM
If he was milking his working class thing by basically living his life the way he wanted to then he really cant win can he?
He did not drink pints and eat shit to gain fans thats who he is, its not milking anything imo.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 12:27:07 AM
Hatton and Calzaghe were fighting nobodies for years and Khan fights for a World title in his 2nd fight at a higher weight class in his 21st fight and he gets scrutinised. He wins a landslide decision and then knocks his mandatory out who was unbeaten and people still slag him off. This forum at times is laughable people get themselves hard talking about Hatton and Froch but Khan and Calzaghe get slaughtered for fighting bums and nobodies. If Khan was defending a WBU belt at Bolton arena up until his 39th fight I'd agree with anybody but give the Kid a break he as shown the true measure of what being a great fighter is all about by going to the other side of the world going out of his comfort zone and working hard and looks better in every fight.


brilliant post CC


If hatton had knocked his mandatory out in the first round people would be creaming themselves over how good he is.

Hatton and calzaghe are hearelded by many as the great british boxers of the last 10 years but their records are more padded than khans. Please enlighten me and tell me which dangerous world beaters were hatton and calzaghe fighting at the age of 22 or after 22 fights?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 12:28:43 AM
Ricky also took on the best in the domestic scene, Khan never he got spoon fed right to the title it can not be denied.
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Yes but he wasted 3 years of his prime in Manchester defending a WBU belt fighting the likes of Phillips, Tackie and Pedersen when he should have been fighting Vivian Harris, Gatti and Mitchell which were fighters he would have walked through. A lot of Hatton's career was built by Frank's match making in which Ricky praises him in his book. Ricky signed contracts with Frank and could have moved on if he felt he was being held back but he didn't purely because W***** gave him the exposure and platform in order to build him up for Tszyu.
Khan is making it clear after 23 fights he wants the big fights in the US and get taken out of his comfort zone.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: pogo on December 06, 2009, 12:30:16 AM
brilliant post CC


If hatton had knocked his mandatory out in the first round people would be creaming themselves over how good he is.

Hatton and calzaghe are hearelded by many as the great british boxers of the last 10 years but their records are more padded than khans. Please enlighten me and tell me which dangerous world beaters were hatton and calzaghe fighting at the age of 22 or after 22 fights?

Well if you look to see how many times Hatton defended the worthless WBU title against less than top level opposition then i have to agree that the Hitmans record is pretty padded, and even some of his biggest wins were against fighters who were pretty much past their best yet he didnt recieve much stick for it.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:32:36 AM
Yes but he wasted 3 years of his prime in Manchester defending a WBU belt fighting the likes of Phillips, Tackie and Pedersen when he should have been fighting Vivian Harris, Gatti and Mitchell which were fighters he would have walked through. A lot of Hatton's career was built by Frank's match making in which Ricky praises him in his book. Ricky signed contracts with Frank and could have moved on if he felt he was being held back but he didn't purely because W***** gave him the exposure and platform in order to build him up for Tszyu.
Khan is making it clear after 23 fights he wants the big fights in the US and get taken out of his comfort zone.
The tackie win was a good win for Ricky at the time as he had only lost to the best, Vivan Harris prices himself out of a Ricky fight am pretty certain off and the same goes for Sharmba Mitchell.
Gatti is a fight that should of happened i agree but because it never i dont see how that's Rickys fault alone?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 06, 2009, 12:34:39 AM
brilliant post CC


If hatton had knocked his mandatory out in the first round people would be creaming themselves over how good he is.

Hatton and calzaghe are hearelded by many as the great british boxers of the last 10 years but their records are more padded than khans. Please enlighten me and tell me which dangerous world beaters were hatton and calzaghe fighting at the age of 22 or after 22 fights?

Different circumstances at different times. Khan has been forced upon us even before he turned pro, given special treatment and star billing since day one. Hatton and Calzaghe built themselves up from scratch more or less.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 12:35:25 AM
The tackie win was a good win for Ricky at the time as he had only lost to the best, Vivan Harris prices himself out of a Ricky fight am pretty certain off and the same goes for Sharmba Mitchell.
Gatti is a fight that should of happened i agree but because it never i dont see how that's Rickys fault alone?

so its not rickys fault if his opposition 'price' themseleves out of fighting him, but it is amir khans fault that he has to face his mandatory challenger? double standards?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:38:06 AM
so its not rickys fault if his opposition 'price' themseleves out of fighting him, but it is amir khans fault that he has to face his mandatory challenger? double standards?

I never said it was Amirs fault, I said its his fault he gets the stick he does given the way he talks about who he wants to fight and then who he actually does fight.
If he knows which he should do that Frank wont match him against real opposition then maybe he should pipe down a bit beat a few bums and he will get known anyhow.
Suppose you could say it did Ricky and Joe no harm doing it that way overall.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 12:39:06 AM
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The pakistani comment is bollocks imo, there will be a very small minority who pick up on that and for the most part i dont think it has anything to do with his popularity.
Ricky could only "milk" his working class background once he had established a fnabase earnt by his style of fighting, to be honest he did not milk it either imo ad he is still a down to earth person easly accessible to his fans.

The Pakistani comment is true if he was white he wouldn't get half the abuse aimed at him just look on facebook with the amount of groups aimed at him. Its disgusting and uncalled for when he as shown that a true measure of a man is when he is faced with adversity and not when he is winning.
Hatton marketed himself well and even though in the ring he was a tough relentless fighter he did milk himself for every penny he could. All that talk of 4 titles was just to play on casual fans and make his fights look more attractive when people like us who follow the sport know its pure bollocks.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:39:42 AM
Also who has priced themselves out of fight with Amir? Has to be said that it is not hard to price yourself out of a fight against a W***** fighter.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 12:41:06 AM
Different circumstances at different times. Khan has been forced upon us even before he turned pro, given special treatment and star billing since day one. Hatton and Calzaghe built themselves up from scratch more or less.

so we must hate him because???

a 17 year old british boxer getting a silver and only missing out on gold because of a veteran cuban boxer isnt a big deal?

hype is a big part of boxing, at the end of the day khan has beat the world champ, then defended his mandartory undefeated challenger, give him the respect he deserves.

If he was 34 and hadnt fought any1 big yet then maybe we could  have a dig. He is but 22 he has 8-10 years of boxing ahead of him loads of time to get those big fights. Hatton defended his WBU belt 15 times before moving up in class lol or has every1 forgotten?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 12:42:53 AM
The tackie win was a good win for Ricky at the time as he had only lost to the best, Vivan Harris prices himself out of a Ricky fight am pretty certain off and the same goes for Sharmba Mitchell.
Gatti is a fight that should of happened i agree but because it never i dont see how that's Rickys fault alone?

see below  //

Also who has priced themselves out of fight with Amir? Has to be said that it is not hard to price yourself out of a fight against a W***** fighter.

double standards  ;)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:43:25 AM
The Pakistani comment is true if he was white he wouldn't get half the abuse aimed at him just look on facebook with the amount of groups aimed at him. Its disgusting and uncalled for when he as shown that a true measure of a man is when he is faced with adversity and not when he is winning.
Hatton marketed himself well and even though in the ring he was a tough relentless fighter he did milk himself for every penny he could. All that talk of 4 titles was just to play on casual fans and make his fights look more attractive when people like us who follow the sport know its pure bollocks.
I dont agree at all Tito with the race row thing i have to say, you mention facebook and im sure people on youtube are the same in throwing abuse well they make up for a very small minority of boxing fans in this country.
At the time he fought Floyd i think it would of been very interesting to see where he would of been p4p if he had won, so i dont think you can brush it off as easy as that.
I agree the talk of p4p at the manny fight was bollocks though.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:45:08 AM
see below  //

double standards  ;)


Nobody has priced themselves out of a fight with Amir though so how is it double standard Tito, nobody who is a known threat even gets chance to price them self out because Frank wont allow it.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 12:47:06 AM
I never said it was Amirs fault, I said its his fault he gets the stick he does given the way he talks about who he wants to fight and then who he actually does fight.
If he knows which he should do that Frank wont match him against real opposition then maybe he should pipe down a bit beat a few bums and he will get known anyhow.
Suppose you could say it did Ricky and Joe no harm doing it that way overall.

he hasnt exactly called them out, hes just stated his aspirations, people always read/hear what they want when they have already made up their mind about a fighter. He has even stated himself he is not ready for the big guns yet he just wants to get to that level some day.
He is a world champion (legit WBA not fake WBU or IBO shit), and just beat an undefeated mandatory in the first round, he is 22.... what do u expect of a 22 year old british boxer? that he be knocking out Mayweather and pacquaio and p4p no.1 already?

Im not sure what people expect of khan.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:47:13 AM
Why is calling for him to fight better fighter like he keeps saying he will classed as hatred? Just because Ricky and Joe fought alot of low calibre fighters does that mean its ok for Amir and that we should just accept paying 15 pounds to watch him fight shite for the next two years?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 12:49:58 AM
Why is calling for him to fight better fighter like he keeps saying he will classed as hatred? Just because Ricky and Joe fought alot of low calibre fighters does that mean its ok for Amir and that we should just accept paying 15 pounds to watch him fight shite for the next two years?

if u think hes shit, or dont like him or dont think hes worth 15 quid....u know what to do?












Dont buy the fight?
No1 is forcing you to watch?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:50:12 AM
he hasnt exactly called them out, hes just stated his aspirations, people always read/hear what they want when they have already made up their mind about a fighter. He has even stated himself he is not ready for the big guns yet he just wants to get to that level some day.
He is a world champion (legit WBA not fake WBU or IBO sh*t), and just beat an undefeated mandatory in the first round, he is 22.... what do u expect of a 22 year old british boxer? that he be knocking out Mayweather and pacquaio and p4p no.1 already?

Im not sure what people expect of khan.

I expect them to talk to there ability and not chat shit beyond it as we have clearly seen different articles, personally his moans about what Froch said did put me off him.
I dont even dislike the guy that much to be honest, i dislike the daft hype that he gets for doing little, sure wining a title at a young age is something but some of the rest of it is a joke.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:51:15 AM
if u think hes sh*t, or dont like him or dont think hes worth 15 quid....u know what to do?












Dont buy the fight?
No1 is forcing you to watch?

Jambon before you carry on your bitching  scroll back though the 19 pages or whatever it is and see where i said he is shit ffs.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:53:14 AM
I bet half the people who are backin Khan to the hilt now are the exact same ones who slag of Manny fans for doing the same, i hope Khan has more aspirations than some of his fans.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 12:53:47 AM
. Hatton defended his WBU belt 15 times before moving up in class lol or has every1 forgotten?


Of course everybody as forgotten  :-X its called convienant memory  //

I do believe part of that WBU process was to build Ricky up to the Tszyu fight. But once he won did he really set the world on fire fighting Maussa, Urango and a faded JLC. He targeted the weakest Champion at WW after refusing to pay Baldomir $2.5Million and then decided he couldn't hold his own at WW before returning to fight at the weight because the money was too good. If you add that his other wins at World level were against a a fighter who had not fought for 2 years who was a career Superfeatherweight and another fighter so bad he needed a mid fight haircut and so overhyped he had to hold on to him for 10 rounds after he tasted a body shot. And when you feel he is in a genuine 50/50 fight against a Guy coming up 5 weight classes to face him he gets knocked cold inless than 6 minutes and made to look as though he should retire.
Am I being harsh or cleverly picking holes in Hatton's career  :-\


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 12:53:53 AM
I expect them to talk to there ability and not chat sh*t beyond it as we have clearly seen different articles, personally his moans about what Froch said did put me off him.
I dont even dislike the guy that much to be honest, i dislike the daft hype that he gets for doing little, sure wining a title at a young age is something but some of the rest of it is a joke.

such as?

I too went off him after his comments about froch, completely agree. But i think froch had a little dig at him first so it wasnt completely unprovoked. Other than that I see khan as a reinvented more down to earth fighter since his KO loss to prescott. Being at the wild card has done him endless good.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 12:55:19 AM
Jambon before you carry on your bitching  scroll back though the 19 pages or whatever it is and see where i said he is sh*t ffs.

im confused, you dont think hes worth 15 quid clearly because your upset u have to pay for him?

or your not upset you have to pay 15 quid for him?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: IrishPaddy on December 06, 2009, 12:56:16 AM
I haven't bothered to read the crap on this thread, because I know it'd be rubbish. I'm just gonna post my view.

Amir Khan is the real deal. He's already a better fighter than Ricky Hatton ever was. Good Bye.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 12:57:46 AM

Of course everybody as forgotten  :-X its called convienant memory  //

I do believe part of that WBU process was to build Ricky up to the Tszyu fight. But once he won did he really set the world on fire fighting Maussa, Urango and a faded JLC. He targeted the weakest Champion at WW after refusing to pay Baldomir $2.5Million and then decided he couldn't hold his own at WW before returning to fight at the weight because the money was too good. If you add that his other wins at World level were against a a fighter who had not fought for 2 years who was a career Superfeatherweight and another fighter so bad he needed a mid fight haircut and so overhyped he had to hold on to him for 10 rounds after he tasted a body shot. And when you feel he is in a genuine 50/50 fight against a Guy coming up 5 weight classes to face him he gets knocked cold inless than 6 minutes and made to look as though he should retire.
Am I being harsh or cleverly picking holes in Hatton's career  :-\

your doing exactly what khan-detractors do to khan.

In boxing you can pick holes and make a case for or against almost any fighter. Its funny to see really, people have their favourites for whatever reason and it seems nothing will change their closed minds


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:57:55 AM
such as?

I too went off him after his comments about froch, completely agree. But i think froch had a little dig at him first so it wasnt completely unprovoked. Other than that I see khan as a reinvented more down to earth fighter since his KO loss to prescott. Being at the wild card has done him endless good.
Froch gave his opinion on a question he was asked i think he should be admired for being honest, i have yet to meet someone who enjoyed the Kotelnik fight.
Being at the wildcard gym has done him good and hopefully will continue to do so, i just wont be forced into supporting and liking someone just because they are the same natonality as me to be honest.
Like i say he has talked big but acted little so far but when the actions back up the words the nregardless of his result ill give him credit, i would give him more credit for fighting and losing to Maidana than beating Salita.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 12:59:18 AM

Of course everybody as forgotten  :-X its called convienant memory  //

I do believe part of that WBU process was to build Ricky up to the Tszyu fight. But once he won did he really set the world on fire fighting Maussa, Urango and a faded JLC. He targeted the weakest Champion at WW after refusing to pay Baldomir $2.5Million and then decided he couldn't hold his own at WW before returning to fight at the weight because the money was too good. If you add that his other wins at World level were against a a fighter who had not fought for 2 years who was a career Superfeatherweight and another fighter so bad he needed a mid fight haircut and so overhyped he had to hold on to him for 10 rounds after he tasted a body shot. And when you feel he is in a genuine 50/50 fight against a Guy coming up 5 weight classes to face him he gets knocked cold inless than 6 minutes and made to look as though he should retire.
Am I being harsh or cleverly picking holes in Hatton's career  :-\

Tito you still slag Ricky off for not fighting Junior witter so i dont think he will ever win in you eyes.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 01:00:45 AM
Froch gave his opinion on a question he was asked i think he should be admired for being honest, i have yet to meet someone who enjoyed the Kotelnik fight.
Being at the wildcard gym has done him good and hopefully will continue to do so, i just wont be forced into supporting and liking someone just because they are the same natonality as me to be honest.
Like i say he has talked big but acted little so far but when the actions back up the words the nregardless of his result ill give him credit, i would give him more credit for fighting and losing to Maidana than beating Salita.


so when froch slags a fellow british fighter off he gets credit for being honest but when khan does he gets hated on because hes wrong? this conclusion is based on what exactly? your opinion and again double standards


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: pogo on December 06, 2009, 01:02:52 AM
Froch gave his opinion on a question he was asked i think he should be admired for being honest, i have yet to meet someone who enjoyed the Kotelnik fight.
Being at the wildcard gym has done him good and hopefully will continue to do so, i just wont be forced into supporting and liking someone just because they are the same natonality as me to be honest.
Like i say he has talked big but acted little so far but when the actions back up the words the nregardless of his result ill give him credit, i would give him more credit for fighting and losing to Maidana than beating Salita.


Hello i enjoyed the Kotelnik fight. I have always prefered a skillful boxer over a slugger and Khan ran rings around Kotelnik, who i also thought was a better fighter than he was given credit for, but was slated as soon as Khan humiliated him.

Froch slagged khan off but he admitted he didnt watch the fight, some friends told him it was a crap fight. So Khan had every right to retaliate in my book. Why Froch had to comment in the first place is beyond me but i never heard Khan say a thing after the terrible performance Froch put up against Dirrell.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 01:05:05 AM
What a joke you slag him off for not fighting Baldomir yet refuse praise for fighting Collazo who was much better fighter in my opinion, you then slag him off for not staying in a weight division he was not used to or right for.
You then slag him off for wanting to fight the best in the world and reluctantly agreeing to move up in weight to do so again, if you can tell me a fightr who would turn down ten million to put on 5 or 6 pounds go ahead.
If he had not fought Floyd you would of said he would fight decent fighters at higher weights but then shit out against the best, you use the fact that Paulie needed a hair cut mid fight to jusge his abillity.
You can call it cleverly picking whatever you want, i call its baised bullsh*t probably the same as what you think to my opinions of Khan.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 01:05:41 AM
Why is calling for him to fight better fighter like he keeps saying he will classed as hatred? Just because Ricky and Joe fought alot of low calibre fighters does that mean its ok for Amir and that we should just accept paying 15 pounds to watch him fight shite for the next two years?

If you don't want to pay 15 to watch him then don't
Personally the PPV was good tonight Mitchell was outstanding and so was Simpson. Khan can't be blamed for knocking his opponent out in 76 seconds as he was the Guy he had to face by the WBA. I didn't think it was right that the Lazcano fight was on PPV considering it was a none title bout but Ricky like Amir have obviously good contracts that force Sky to put them on PPV.  

I haven't bothered to read the crap on this thread, because I know it'd be rubbish. I'm just gonna post my view.

Amir Khan is the real deal. He's already a better fighter than Ricky Hatton ever was. Good Bye.

Oh Paddy you have made my night  ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 01:07:57 AM
so when froch slags a fellow british fighter off he gets credit for being honest but when khan does he gets hated on because hes wrong? this conclusion is based on what exactly? your opinion and again double standards

Froch never made one comment on Khans abillity or personality or anything he gave his opinions on a fight, Khan on the other hand starts saying Froch really has no fans and that he can sell more tickets in Forchs hometown than he can and hes jealous.
He even states he is a better champion than Froch, if you can draw parallels between them two statements then good look to ya.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
If you don't want to pay 15 to watch him then don't
Personally the PPV was good tonight Mitchell was outstanding and so was Simpson. Khan can't be blamed for knocking his opponent out in 76 seconds as he was the Guy he had to face by the WBA. I didn't think it was right that the Lazcano fight was on PPV considering it was a none title bout but Ricky like Amir have obviously good contracts that force Sky to put them on PPV.  

Oh Paddy you have made my night  ;D

I dont pay for Khans fight so........
Ricky's fight with Lazcano should not of been on ppv lol we agree but i dont see what your point is, i also did not buy the Ricky fight on ppv as i had a ticket  ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 01:16:17 AM
Hatton turned down a fight with Floyd at 140ibs not long after the Tszyu fight in which he was offered $6 Million. He claimed he wanted to build his profile in the US to make it more lucrative so he knew the implications of having to go in weight if he was to wait a couple of years.
Baldomir was a tough fighter who could have beat Ricky and he showed against Judah, Gatti and Gomez that he was a pretty relentless fighter. Collazo for me fought nobody of not before Hatton and since as done nothing to suggest he will regain World honours.
I have always said Hatton shown his true colours avoiding Witter when he SIGNED FOR 2 fights at the same time in a blatant way of dodging him. He could have fought Witter and captured a WBC title but he fought a Guy who was semi retired and who had done nothing and still got marked up beyond belief. He then fought Malignaggi and was made to look like a Word beater because his opponent didn't want to fight and was in survival moment from the 2nd round. It just gave him a false sense of security when he faced Manny that he could walk throuh him when in reality he was cannon fodder for him and made to look so bad he should never fight again.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Chris on December 06, 2009, 01:19:47 AM
I've not read through the rest of the thread, but I'm extremely happy for Amir. I knew he would be too busy and too fast for Salita, but to do it the way he did impresses me!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: pogo on December 06, 2009, 01:23:14 AM
I've not read through the rest of the thread, but I'm extremely happy for Amir. I knew he would be too busy and too fast for Salita, but to do it the way he did impresses me!

Agreed mate and i will IQ you when i get to 100 posts.

You know your never going to be appreciated  if you destroy your mandatory in a round and still take stick for it, Amir would be better plying his trade in the states where they like exciting box fighters and im sure he has all the tools required to be a big hit there.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 01:23:54 AM
I've not read through the rest of the thread, but I'm extremely happy for Amir. I knew he would be too busy and too fast for Salita, but to do it the way he did impresses me!

Dont  ;D

Did you not see that article posted recently i think by Steve Bunce saying how Witter wanted equal money to fight Ricky can you justify him that for selling 15 hundred seats every now and then?
And if Ricky shown his true colours by not facing one fighter who in comparison achieved very very little in his career then you are the hardest man in boxing to please.



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Jambonhead on December 06, 2009, 01:25:19 AM
Froch never made one comment on Khans abillity or personality or anything he gave his opinions on a fight, Khan on the other hand starts saying Froch really has no fans and that he can sell more tickets in Forchs hometown than he can and hes jealous.
He even states he is a better champion than Froch, if you can draw parallels between them two statements then good look to ya.

yeh i agree with u khan was in the wrong, but like i said before if froch had kept his gob shut khan wouldnt have said anything.

Khan is the future of boxing you can not deny it. His performance tonight just shows you the wildcard have got a winning formula and they will turn khan into pacman 2 and dominate the world of boxing.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 01:27:52 AM
Froch never made one comment on Khans abillity or personality or anything he gave his opinions on a fight, Khan on the other hand starts saying Froch really has no fans and that he can sell more tickets in Forchs hometown than he can and hes jealous.
He even states he is a better champion than Froch, if you can draw parallels between them two statements then good look to ya.

Froch said Khan was a boring fighter but admitted he didn't see his last fight. He can't do a interview without bringing up Calzaghe who would have schooled him badly if they had ever fought. Froch is a good fighter but as a bad promoter who can't get any of his fighters exposure. Ask most teenage kids who Amir Khan is and 95% would get it right and then ask the following kids what Froch, Witter and John Murray do for a living and I bet 2% wouldn't know all 3 were boxers. Froch let his promoter take him away from Sky to go to ITV and then as soon as he goes to World title level he is left to do 10k streams on the net when he should have a audience of a few 100ks. Thats were the digs are aimed at Khan because he as got himself the exposure and the money Froch could only hope for.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 01:29:37 AM
Am done with this now ill be honest i can no longer be bothered with it, i have said my peace in that the fight shown us very little from Khan other than he is fast which we already knew.
I aint said he is sh*t or that he will never be any good, i want him to fight better people and to earn the praise he gets rather than going though his career with it all handed to him.
If what he says is true then thats what he wants aswell and good luck to him as he is up against it, going of previous replys that is no doubt double standards or racist or just being a Khan hater.
Time will tell and similar debates will no doubt happen but till then adiose.



TEAM SALITA  ;D  ;D  ;)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 01:31:23 AM
Am done with this now ill be honest i can no longer be bothered with it, i have said my peace in that the fight shown us very little from Khan other than he is fast which we already knew.
I aint said he is sh*t or that he will never be any good, i want him to fight better people and to earn the praise he gets rather than going though his career with it all handed to him.
If what he says is true then thats what he wants aswell and good luck to him as he is up against it, going of previous replys that is no doubt double standards or racist or just being a Khan hater but thats my opinion and everyone else has theres so joy.
Time will tell and similar debates will no doubt happen but till then adiose.



TEAM SALITA  ;D  ;D  ;)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: bolopunch on December 06, 2009, 01:31:59 AM
Congrats to Amir for a masterclass performance!  ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 01:34:40 AM
Sorry for posting the last post twice, must of hit quote instead of modify and now i cant get shut of it.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 01:34:57 AM
Dont  ;D

Did you not see that article posted recently i think by Steve Bunce saying how Witter wanted equal money to fight Ricky can you justify him that for selling 15 hundred seats every now and then?


I saw it last week on telly it was on ITV. How much of it is true I don't know but as a WBC Champion you are entitled to 70% of the purse. I did read numerous articles when a fight could have happened after the Mayweather loss and Witter said he would take a lesser cut because of what Ricky brings in in his own right. Ricky then said he wouldn't fight him anyway as he had made him cry over some awards do insult a few years ago. I always thought Ricky would beat Witter I just don't know why he avoided him so much that he was made to look like he scared of him.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 01:36:56 AM
I saw it last week on telly it was on ITV. How much of it is true I don't know but as a WBC Champion you are entitled to 70% of the purse. I did read numerous articles when a fight could have happened after the Mayweather loss and Witter said he would take a lesser cut because of what Ricky brings in in his own right. Ricky then said he wouldn't fight him anyway as he had made him cry over some awards do insult a few years ago. I always thought Ricky would beat Witter I just don't know why he avoided him so much that he was made to look like he scared of him.

Ok mate well i tap out for tonight am officially fooked.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 01:43:26 AM
Ok mate well i tap out for tonight am officially fooked.


The night as just begun  ;D

Got the Witherspoon V Thompson stream on and staying up for the Punisher.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: 7777 on December 06, 2009, 02:31:20 AM
Kotelnik was the worst World Champion ever, Barerra was over the hill, Salita was a really poor mandatory - tough crowd or is Khan really deceiving that many people?

Maidana up next - what happens if he gets rid of him in a round? Will he be another shit handpicked fighter?

Everyone is clammering for that fight yet he's not exactly the quickest of starters, Ortiz dropped him in the first and second rounds of their fight and I wouldn't be surprised to see Khan do the same cos Freddie won't want him to get into any sort of a rhythm



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: motoriser on December 06, 2009, 06:34:11 AM
I told you all not to be surprised to witness improvements in Khan's punching power and also punch resistance since he's taking the same dietary suplements as Manny Pacman.
It is helping both guys improve their power and punch resistance.I will not get into the technicalities of it but Amir Khan did his job and put away his supposed opponent.
Salita was caught clean and was badly hurt.
Lets just wait and see Amir step up against Marquez,Maidana and we can Gauge his true Value of a Champion.
But for now full Credit to Amir for putting Salita away,he(Salita) had been protected for too long and this was coming to him.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: bolopunch on December 06, 2009, 07:40:14 AM
I told you all not to be surprised to witness improvements in Khan's punching power and also punch resistance since he's taking the same dietary suplements as Manny Pacman.
It is helping both guys improve their power and punch resistance.I will not get into the technicalities of it but Amir Khan did his job and put away his supposed opponent.
Salita was caught clean and was badly hurt.
Lets just wait and see Amir step up against Marquez,Maidana and we can Gauge his true Value of a Champion.
But for now full Credit to Amir for putting Salita away,he(Salita) had been protected for too long and this was coming to him.

Typical Mayweather fanboy. Spit it out.  ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Huddersfieldterrier on December 06, 2009, 08:28:25 AM
you can only fight whats put in front of you and fair play to khan last night

but it answered more questions about salita than it did khan.

he has to step it up now in terms of opponent!



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: motoriser on December 06, 2009, 08:33:36 AM
Typical Mayweather fanboy. Spit it out.  ;D
This has Jackshit to do with Mayweather so get off it like right now.
I actually gave credit to Khan so what's your problem.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 06, 2009, 09:42:47 AM
did i either say for one second that kahn brings in as much money as hatton???????? nope i didnt lol dont put words in my mouth please :D

im just saying that there is good big names out there that kahn could fight if he chose to do so...

example manny pacquiao offered kahn a fight not to long ago :) can u get much bigger than that

My point is if you read the rest of the tread you will see people talking about Ricky defending his worthless WBU belt in manchester but SKY themselves were pushing for Ricky to fight harder opponents FW couldn't deliver its all well and good saying get Khan to face a harder opponent but these guys have got to agree to fight Khan a lot won't fancy it the same as a lot didn't fancy fighting Ricky.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: boxing4eva on December 06, 2009, 09:45:56 AM
I would agree with that.  Also with Sky showing the last Floyd and Manny fights for free, by having Khan on the undercard could mean they could make it PPV in England,  with Khan getting the money from our PPV's.  Similar to the Manny V ODLH fight.

You have to be kidding. Pac Vs Mayweather is going to be PPV in the UK for sure. I strongly doubt Mayweather and co are going to want to hand away a few hundred thousand extra buys just for him to be on the undercard as people are going to get it anyway. He'll get a set fee if he does it which will be a fraction of what he currently gets. This is why Frank disagrees with going to America now,he said: why go to the US, to fight for a lot less money, with more risk. He believes Khan should wait untill that amount is the same if not more and can top a fight bill



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 06, 2009, 10:19:04 AM
you can only fight whats put in front of you and fair play to khan last night

but it answered more questions about salita than it did khan.

he has to step it up now in terms of opponent!



Agreed!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: grizzlyadams on December 06, 2009, 11:24:54 AM
Thanks for the video link, iq. Fair play to amir, he came out and dealt with his mandatory in good fashion. I had a feeling he would after watching dmitriy shadow boxing on sky sports news earlier in the week, where he displayed no head movement and poor balance. I said to my dad khan would eat him up, wish I'd said it to a bookie now. Onwards and upwards from here.

One point I'd like to highlight regarding khans perceived 'chinny-ness' and the way he seems to be slowly improving. I wonder how many people are aware that before the 2004 Athens Olympics, Amir Khan did not participate in a senior contest (i.e. fought against full grown men). The age limit used to be 19 but was lowered to 17 to accomodate amir khan because he was on a rampage at the time and was our only prospect. He was thrown into the lions den and came out with a silver medal. This point was only mentioned to me the other week but it really made me appreciate khans reaction to big punishment and sympathise with the process he is enduring.
As I have said before, my big problem with khan is the overt nature of his apprenticeship, I think its daft because while he is doing the things that all fighters do and saying the things all fighters say, he has the limelight rammed in his face which means he is making a rod for his own back in many respects. Patience people, patience. If you're not happy with SBO, don't buy it.


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Post by: xzanti on December 06, 2009, 12:14:52 PM
Congratulations Amir. Very impressive. So much for his power not carrying to light welter  ;D


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Post by: Gaz on December 06, 2009, 01:14:02 PM
so we must hate him because???

a 17 year old british boxer getting a silver and only missing out on gold because of a veteran cuban boxer isnt a big deal?

hype is a big part of boxing, at the end of the day khan has beat the world champ, then defended his mandartory undefeated challenger, give him the respect he deserves.

If he was 34 and hadnt fought any1 big yet then maybe we could  have a dig. He is but 22 he has 8-10 years of boxing ahead of him loads of time to get those big fights. Hatton defended his WBU belt 15 times before moving up in class lol or has every1 forgotten?

At what point have I suggested we must hate him? Don't be so ridiculous, if you're not going to keep the debate within the realms of realism then why bother at all?


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Post by: AO88 on December 06, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
Damichin Salita interview

http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12602_5749213,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12602_5749213,00.html)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tim2366 on December 06, 2009, 02:54:39 PM
Credit to Amir for getting the job done he beat a ok boxer in good style. But on a more important matter Kevin Mitchell is the one to watch imo he completely destroyed Prescott and took several hard shots from him. Khans done ok he still needs to fight someone of note and I still favour Prescott to beat him in a rematch. Khan v Mitchell would be ideal in my eyes, Mitchells close to a title shot and Khans never gonna step up to the guys hes been naming like Marquez or Mayweather so Mitchell seems a good fight for him in my eyes.


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Post by: Gaz on December 06, 2009, 02:55:32 PM
Amir Kahn 72 Second Knockout (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSLoDu3SFSs#normal)

What is the difference between this and last night? How does Khan look any different in either fight? To be honest I still don't see Khan as that accurate a puncher. He is a bit of a blizzard with his combinations but once he lands the first shot and gets the guy up on the ropes, he still seems to go ballistic and swing hell for leather without that much quality. He only had time to do that once last night, just before the third knockdown, but his accuracy is still an issue at times for me. He is much better when restricting his punch output. Look at his 3 knockdowns last night and they were a result of maybe 2 quality shots at a time.


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Post by: Smithy on December 06, 2009, 05:55:08 PM
At the end of the day Khan at 22 has achieved more than what hatton, calzaghe and Froch had done. Ok he hasnt knocked out the likes of mayweather and pacquiao but the guy is still only 22.

He beat a world champion (even if he was poor) and beat his mandatory challenger just like Calzaghe made a career of doing and just like Hatton fought shite mandatories throughout his career and while he also fought some of the biggest names in boxing (tszyu, mayweather, pacquiao)...it was after he'd been a pro 8-10years.

Khan needs to step up his opposition yes but lets get back to reality he has done nothing less or more than waht other fighters ppl chose to love did, at 22 he is doing well and improving. If he was 28 it would be a different story but he aint hes 22.


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Post by: Tim2366 on December 06, 2009, 06:18:50 PM
At the end of the day Khan at 22 has achieved more than what hatton, calzaghe and Froch had done. Ok he hasnt knocked out the likes of mayweather and pacquiao but the guy is still only 22.

He beat a world champion (even if he was poor) and beat his mandatory challenger just like Calzaghe made a career of doing and just like Hatton fought shite mandatories throughout his career and while he also fought some of the biggest names in boxing (tszyu, mayweather, pacquiao)...it was after he'd been a pro 8-10years.

Khan needs to step up his opposition yes but lets get back to reality he has done nothing less or more than waht other fighters ppl chose to love did, at 22 he is doing well and improving. If he was 28 it would be a different story but he aint hes 22.

You make a good point but it seems you are forgetting one vital part of Khans career being that he was knocked out in 54 seconds and hasnt rematched the guy or fought a big puncher since infact he seems to have no intention of fighting Prescott again and even though his victory was decent last night(depending on how good Salita actually is) Khan was still shown up by Kevin Mitchells performance v Prescott. Khan doesnt need to step up to top opponents like Maywetaher,Pacquiao etc. yet as he has time on his side but he should now be fighting guys who can bang and proving that his chin and/or defence is good enough for the big punchers because when you look at Khans record hes fought 1 big puncher and been knocked out once as a result. Murray next.


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Post by: 7777 on December 06, 2009, 06:49:45 PM
You make a good point but it seems you are forgetting one vital part of Khans career being that he was knocked out in 54 seconds and hasnt rematched the guy or fought a big puncher since infact he seems to have no intention of fighting Prescott again and even though his victory was decent last night(depending on how good Salita actually is) Khan was still shown up by Kevin Mitchells performance v Prescott. Khan doesnt need to step up to top opponents like Maywetaher,Pacquiao etc. yet as he has time on his side but he should now be fighting guys who can bang and proving that his chin and/or defence is good enough for the big punchers because when you look at Khans record hes fought 1 big puncher and been knocked out once as a result. Murray next.

He has said he wants to fight Prescott to get the monkey off his back but Freddie thinks it's pointless. It's even more pointless now Mitchell has done a number on him


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Post by: Wheelchair on December 06, 2009, 06:52:36 PM
He has said he wants to fight Prescott to get the monkey off his back but Freddie thinks it's pointless. It's even more pointless now Mitchell has done a number on him

True.


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Post by: whieldon on December 06, 2009, 06:57:22 PM
At the end of the day Khan at 22 has achieved more than what hatton, calzaghe and Froch had done. Ok he hasnt knocked out the likes of mayweather and pacquiao but the guy is still only 22.

He beat a world champion (even if he was poor) and beat his mandatory challenger just like Calzaghe made a career of doing and just like Hatton fought shite mandatories throughout his career and while he also fought some of the biggest names in boxing (tszyu, mayweather, pacquiao)...it was after he'd been a pro 8-10years.

Khan needs to step up his opposition yes but lets get back to reality he has done nothing less or more than waht other fighters ppl chose to love did, at 22 he is doing well and improving. If he was 28 it would be a different story but he aint hes 22.

put perfectly


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Post by: harty on December 06, 2009, 07:25:20 PM
wondered if ricky was lickin his lips last night with the thought of a match up with khan.it would take a warm up and some bloody hard work .it would generate untold sums of money.its one i think the british public would go for.ricky lost to mayweather which was no disgrace,and the manny fight well can we really judge as it was over before it started.


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Post by: Gaz on December 06, 2009, 09:25:55 PM
At the end of the day Khan at 22 has achieved more than what hatton, calzaghe and Froch had done. Ok he hasnt knocked out the likes of mayweather and pacquiao but the guy is still only 22.

He beat a world champion (even if he was poor) and beat his mandatory challenger just like Calzaghe made a career of doing and just like Hatton fought shite mandatories throughout his career and while he also fought some of the biggest names in boxing (tszyu, mayweather, pacquiao)...it was after he'd been a pro 8-10years.

Khan needs to step up his opposition yes but lets get back to reality he has done nothing less or more than waht other fighters ppl chose to love did, at 22 he is doing well and improving. If he was 28 it would be a different story but he aint hes 22.

Did Calzaghe and Hatton receive the royal headline box office treatment that Khan has? Hatton did something in his second fight that Khan still hasn't done to this date and that's fight in America.

It doesn't matter how many fights Khan has had, because fighters have been world champions in fewer fights than he has taken. He is clearly good enough to be tested at the top level now so get him in there.


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Post by: infiltration on December 06, 2009, 09:48:40 PM
So many people still hating on Khan. Poor opponent, yes, even if he was quality, with that sort of a start I doubt many would've been able to do much about that.

Bottom line, not his fault, was his mandatory, he wooped him.

Who's next? Who knows?

One things for sure, he'll woop most of them out there, he has the ability to beat them all, that includes all of the elite level fighters in the surrounding divisions. Any smaller man like Marquez is gonna get wooped and Khans gonna look good doing so.

I h8 to break it to the h8rs but you're all gonna eat your words :D

Mark these words, you're losing your money if you bet against Khan from this day forth ;)


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Post by: Dexter_Morgan on December 06, 2009, 09:49:50 PM
He has said he wants to fight Prescott to get the monkey off his back but Freddie thinks it's pointless. It's even more pointless now Mitchell has done a number on him

Totally agree pointless fighting Prescott again now. He was shown up to be a three round banger with no real boxing skills and was gassed mid rounds. Khan would stop him mid rounds now.


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Post by: Gaz on December 06, 2009, 10:00:58 PM
So many people still hating on Khan. Poor opponent, yes, even if he was quality, with that sort of a start I doubt many would've been able to do much about that.

Bottom line, not his fault, was his mandatory, he wooped him.

Who's next? Who knows?

One things for sure, he'll woop most of them out there, he has the ability to beat them all, that includes all of the elite level fighters in the surrounding divisions. Any smaller man like Marquez is gonna get wooped and Khans gonna look good doing so.

I h8 to break it to the h8rs but you're all gonna eat your words :D

Mark these words, you're losing your money if you bet against Khan from this day forth ;)

Not many top fighters would have their sensed dimmed by a pitter patter of a left-right combination.

Let's see Khan in with a proper world class fighter first before we start swinging from his nut sack eh?


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Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 10:05:42 PM
Not many top fighters would have their sensed dimmed by a pitter patter of a left-right combination.

Let's see Khan in with a proper world class fighter first before we start swinging from his nut sack eh?


Like who exactly....Tim Bradley a Guy who got dropped twice by Holt and is far smaller than Khan. Ortiz who was exposed in his last fight. Hatton who is coming off a devastating loss or Urango and Alexander who both are good fighters. No matter who Khan faces he will get slated for it could be Juan Diaz, Maidana or even Paulie and people will slag him off.


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Post by: Gaz on December 06, 2009, 10:09:36 PM

Like who exactly....Tim Bradley a Guy who got dropped twice by Holt and is far smaller than Khan. Ortiz who was exposed in his last fight. Hatton who is coming off a devastating loss or Urango and Alexander who both are good fighters. No matter who Khan faces he will get slated for it could be Juan Diaz, Maidana or even Paulie and people will slag him off.

At least those guys have justified high rankings within the division and have records with recognisable names on them.

I like the way a fighter has to be exposed just because he's lost once as well.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: infiltration on December 06, 2009, 10:14:07 PM
Not many top fighters would have their sensed dimmed by a pitter patter of a left-right combination.

Let's see Khan in with a proper world class fighter first before we start swinging from his nut sack eh?

Swinging from his nutsack? I don't even like the guy m8y but a lot of this on here is the usual anti-khan crap, it's getting stupid and boring.

The real boxing fans, not Khan haters or Froch lovers actually acknowledge that he has talent and is getting better and not constantly shooting down every one of his achievement. I'm just one that's going beyond that and says he has the ability to beat em all. Like it or lump it, he's gonna do it and people are still gonna hate on him, end of story.


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Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 10:17:01 PM
At least those guys have justified high rankings within the division and have records with recognisable names on them.

I like the way a fighter has to be exposed just because he's lost once as well.

Maybe he should just relinqish his title fight at Bolton arena for the next 6 years and maybe pick up a WBU belt defend it 15 times until he gets to 39 fights and then we can say he justified his status eh  //. I bet if he did all that maybe he could fight for the 4 title  ;D


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Post by: Gaz on December 06, 2009, 10:23:58 PM
Swinging from his nutsack? I don't even like the guy m8y but a lot of this on here is the usual anti-khan crap, it's getting stupid and boring.

The real boxing fans, not Khan haters or Froch lovers actually acknowledge that he has talent and is getting better and not constantly shooting down every one of his achievement. I'm just one that's going beyond that and says he has the ability to beat em all. Like it or lump it, he's gonna do it and people are still gonna hate on him, end of story.


How is wanting the guy to test his obvious skills against better opponents anti-Khan stuff?

Maybe he should just relinqish his title fight at Bolton arena for the next 6 years and maybe pick up a WBU belt defend it 15 times until he gets to 39 fights and then we can say he justified his status eh  //. I bet if he did all that maybe he could fight for the 4 title  ;D

Have you really no better argument than to compare Khan to Hatton? Theirs are completely different careers.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: infiltration on December 06, 2009, 10:40:17 PM
How is wanting the guy to test his obvious skills against better opponents anti-Khan stuff?

Have you really no better argument than to compare Khan to Hatton? Theirs are completely different careers.

And how is saying something positive about the guy hanging from his nutsack?  //



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Post by: Gaz on December 06, 2009, 10:44:18 PM
And how is saying something positive about the guy hanging from his nutsack?  //


It isn't but you're suggesting that the clamour for Khan to fight someone GOOD is a sign of hatred, which it plainly isn't.



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 10:45:47 PM

Have you really no better argument than to compare Khan to Hatton? Theirs are completely different careers.

You said Khan asn't fought in America yet but Ricky did in his 2nd fight but what does mean. It was hardly for the 4 title  :P  when he fought at MSG so its irrelevant. Khan like any other fighter as a learning curve and to go up in weight and fight in your 21st fight for a World title is something everybody should respect.
The difference between Khan and Hatton is simple. Khan WANTS the big fights, He doesn't allow Frank W***** to pull the strings and he doesn't want to waste years of his career in a comfort zone. Khan as achieved more in 22 fights than Froch, Calzaghe and Hatton did at that stage of there careers and both him and Haye get the job done without having to fall in love with there popularity and try to sell themselves off to casual boxing fans.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 06, 2009, 10:52:25 PM
You said Khan asn't fought in America yet but Ricky did in his 2nd fight but what does mean. It was hardly for the 4 title  :P  when he fought at MSG so its irrelevant. Khan like any other fighter as a learning curve and to go up in weight and fight in your 21st fight for a World title is something everybody should respect.
The difference between Khan and Hatton is simple. Khan WANTS the big fights, He doesn't allow Frank W***** to pull the strings and he doesn't want to waste years of his career in a comfort zone. Khan as achieved more in 22 fights than Froch, Calzaghe and Hatton did at that stage of there careers and both him and Haye get the job done without having to fall in love with there popularity and try to sell themselves off to casual boxing fans.

What has he achieved? He admitted before the Kotelnik fight he was taking the easiest route to a world title, and his challenge for the title was scarcely deserved having only recently been destroyed by a since exposed Prescott, and a joke of a fight against Barrera which should never have been allowed to continue after his head had been gashed open. He then takes on a fighter who has no place on the world stage and beats him easily. Wow.
Whether he himself wants the big fights is a different matter but he has been groomed from day one for headline events, box office events and easy world titles.
I've no doubt that he has talent and speed to burn, and Roach is probably the man to get the best out of him. But is it any wonder that people are resentful of how his career has been managed? Especially after the way the public were ripped off by the previous Olympic phenomenon that was Audley Harrison?


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Post by: Wheelchair on December 06, 2009, 10:54:14 PM
What has he achieved? He admitted before the Kotelnik fight he was taking the easiest route to a world title, and his challenge for the title was scarcely deserved having only recently been destroyed by a since exposed Prescott, and a joke of a fight against Barrera which should never have been allowed to continue after his head had been gashed open. He then takes on a fighter who has no place on the world stage and beats him easily. Wow.
Whether he himself wants the big fights is a different matter but he has been groomed from day one for headline events, box office events and easy world titles.
I've no doubt that he has talent and speed to burn, and Roach is probably the man to get the best out of him. But is it any wonder that people are resentful of how his career has been managed? Especially after the way the public were ripped off by the previous Olympic phenomenon that was Audley Harrison?

Well put Gaz. That's how many people feel I reckon.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Smithy on December 06, 2009, 10:55:21 PM
Did Calzaghe and Hatton receive the royal headline box office treatment that Khan has? Hatton did something in his second fight that Khan still hasn't done to this date and that's fight in America.

It doesn't matter how many fights Khan has had, because fighters have been world champions in fewer fights than he has taken. He is clearly good enough to be tested at the top level now so get him in there.

Took Calzaghe 44 fights to go to the states and 15yrs.

Took hatton 36 fights and 8 years to win a proper world title, and stop fighting bums-average fighters for the worthless WBU title.

Took khan 4 years and 21 fights to get a world title (a worthwhile one WBA).

Ok ricky hatton fought on a undercard against a complete nobody in the US in his second fight but seeming as Khan will most prob fight over there nxt year at the moment when u compare like for like thats about the only thing you can argue in favour of hatton and it really isnt much to be banging on about.

Hatton and Clazaghe also didnt fight in the Olympics and win a silver medal at 17 for their country, which has gone along way to the interest/hype/treatment khan has recieved.

*Im not even a fan of khan but some of the arguements against him are getting stupid, give the guy a break, he has done nothing more/less than many other fighters have done in their careers at the beginning...in fact when u compare him to many others like hatton and calzaghe hes done a damn sight more in the same timescales than either of them did.


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Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 10:59:15 PM
Took Calzaghe 44 fights to go to the states and 15yrs.

Took hatton 36 fights and 8 years to win a proper world title, and stop fighting bums-average fighters for the worthless WBU title.

Took khan 4 years and 21 fights to get a world title (a worthwhile one WBA).

Ok ricky hatton fought on a undercard against a complete nobody in the US in his second fight but seeming as Khan will most prob fight over there nxt year at the moment when u compare like for like thats about the only thing you can argue in favour of hatton and it really isnt much to be banging on about.

Hatton and Clazaghe also didnt fight in the Olympics and win a silver medal at 17 for their country, which has gone along way to the interest/hype/treatment khan has recieved.

*Im not even a fan of khan but some of the arguements against him are getting stupid, give the guy a break, he has done nothing more/less than many other fighters have done in their careers at the beginning...in fact when u compare him to many others like hatton and calzaghe hes done a damn sight more in the same timescales than either of them did.



Well said Smithy IQ


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 06, 2009, 11:00:24 PM
Took Calzaghe 44 fights to go to the states and 15yrs.

Took hatton 36 fights and 8 years to win a proper world title, and stop fighting bums-average fighters for the worthless WBU title.

Took khan 4 years and 21 fights to get a world title (a worthwhile one WBA).

Ok ricky hatton fought on a undercard against a complete nobody in the US in his second fight but seeming as Khan will most prob fight over there nxt year at the moment when u compare like for like thats about the only thing you can argue in favour of hatton and it really isnt much to be banging on about.

Hatton and Clazaghe also didnt fight in the Olympics and win a silver medal at 17 for their country, which has gone along way to the interest/hype/treatment khan has recieved.

*Im not even a fan of khan but some of the arguements against him are getting stupid, give the guy a break, he has done nothing more/less than many other fighters have done in their careers at the beginning...in fact when u compare him to many others like hatton and calzaghe hes done a damn sight more in the same timescales than either of them did.

I'm not even using the Hatton fighting in USA thing as an argument, it was merely a flippant response to the constant sniping about what Khan has supposedly achieved in comparison to him at this stage in his career. When Khan walked into the professional game on a red carpet, Hatton was effectively dumped out the back of a reliant robin and made to squeeze every last ounce of talent to forge the career he has had.


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Post by: Tim2366 on December 06, 2009, 11:00:45 PM
He has said he wants to fight Prescott to get the monkey off his back but Freddie thinks it's pointless. It's even more pointless now Mitchell has done a number on him

lol how convinient. Prescott v Khan 2=Khans career over.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tito on December 06, 2009, 11:10:29 PM
I'm not even using the Hatton fighting in USA thing as an argument, it was merely a flippant response to the constant sniping about what Khan has supposedly achieved in comparison to him at this stage in his career. When Khan walked into the professional game on a red carpet, Hatton was effectively dumped out the back of a reliant robin and made to squeeze every last ounce of talent to forge the career he has had.


Oscar had a easy ride to the top and spent his whole career on PPV. He wasn't the greatest fighter around but he was well marketed. Any fighter coming from the Olympics gets a lot of attention from Povetkin to the Cuban exiles every promoter in the World want to ride there coat tails because they have a head start in publicity than a 17 year old kid who turns Pro after a decent amatuer career. If Hatton wasn't happy with the way his career was going why did he have 39 fights with the same promoter. In his book he commends Frank on the steady learning curve he was given and never complains of the bottom of the card fights he was given to help build his career. When Ricky was fighting for Ricky years ago he was way bottom of the food chain because he had Collins, Benn, Thompson, Naseem hamed, Foster and Nelson all at the top of there game.


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Post by: Shawn on December 06, 2009, 11:12:34 PM
Great to read everyones opinion on here, I was at the fight last night as just could not say no to the juicy undercard, I'am not Khans biggest fan but i believe alot of people don't like him as he sometimes sounds cocky when probably meaning to sound confident and maybe the fwank W***** factor, why?, who knows.

I personally take my hat off to him for last nights perfomance as you can only beat who you have to fight, I personally think the paulie vs diaz winner, would be a great next fight for him and to let the american crowd know him a little bit more. But either way 2010 will let us all know a lot more about khan


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Post by: Smithy on December 06, 2009, 11:19:53 PM
I'm not even using the Hatton fighting in USA thing as an argument, it was merely a flippant response to the constant sniping about what Khan has supposedly achieved in comparison to him at this stage in his career. When Khan walked into the professional game on a red carpet, Hatton was effectively dumped out the back of a reliant robin and made to squeeze every last ounce of talent to forge the career he has had.

At this stage of their careers..after 4 years and 22 fights Khan has achieved far more than hatton. Comparing earlier careers there is no arguement.

As for the hatton got dumped out of a relient robin etc not khans fault hatton didnt go to the olympics when he was 17 and win a silver medal, thats the driving force behind why khan has had so much hype/red carpet treatment. But while khan was fighting at the olympics winning medals at the same age hatton was prob down the pub with his mates watchin olympic boxing on the tv so theres no arguement. Every fighter who does well at the olympics gets a massive head start/push whether they deserve it RJJ, ODLH or dont Audley Harrison.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 06, 2009, 11:21:11 PM

Oscar had a easy ride to the top and spent his whole career on PPV. He wasn't the greatest fighter around but he was well marketed. Any fighter coming from the Olympics gets a lot of attention from Povetkin to the Cuban exiles every promoter in the World want to ride there coat tails because they have a head start in publicity than a 17 year old kid who turns Pro after a decent amatuer career. If Hatton wasn't happy with the way his career was going why did he have 39 fights with the same promoter. In his book he commends Frank on the steady learning curve he was given and never complains of the bottom of the card fights he was given to help build his career. When Ricky was fighting for Ricky years ago he was way bottom of the food chain because he had Collins, Benn, Thompson, Naseem hamed, Foster and Nelson all at the top of there game.

My guess would be that he probably knew he needed as long as possible to mature his own talents before making the step up. In terms of natural athletic and boxing talent, Khan has the edge in both aspects, which contributes to his being way above the level of a Salita.

Before I go any further I probably need to clarify my position because I don't seem to be getting my stance across to anyone. I am well aware of Khan's abilities, I admire the way he has turned to Roach to save him after the Prescott debacle, and he has done what's necessary to recover from that. All I am saying in a nutshell is that he is clearly ready to fight the best light-welters now. He has grown into the weight easily and has the beating of probably all of them. Hopefully he doesn't allow W***** to undermine his future choices of fights.


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Post by: jimjack on December 07, 2009, 07:16:02 AM
Took Calzaghe 44 fights to go to the states and 15yrs.

Took hatton 36 fights and 8 years to win a proper world title, and stop fighting bums-average fighters for the worthless WBU title.

Took khan 4 years and 21 fights to get a world title (a worthwhile one WBA).

Ok ricky hatton fought on a undercard against a complete nobody in the US in his second fight but seeming as Khan will most prob fight over there nxt year at the moment when u compare like for like thats about the only thing you can argue in favour of hatton and it really isnt much to be banging on about.

Hatton and Clazaghe also didnt fight in the Olympics and win a silver medal at 17 for their country, which has gone along way to the interest/hype/treatment khan has recieved.

*Im not even a fan of khan but some of the arguements against him are getting stupid, give the guy a break, he has done nothing more/less than many other fighters have done in their careers at the beginning...in fact when u compare him to many others like hatton and calzaghe hes done a damn sight more in the same timescales than either of them did.

Spot on mate.
I can't really see what people wanted him to do? He was turning pro and people were waving cash in his face, was he going to say 'nah i'll train for nowt until some lads of a forum feel ive earned my quid'?

He also had no money worries by the time he got sparked from Prescott, he could have called it a day then.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 07, 2009, 02:30:34 PM
Spot on mate.
I can't really see what people wanted him to do? He was turning pro and people were waving cash in his face, was he going to say 'nah i'll train for nowt until some lads of a forum feel ive earned my quid'?
He also had no money worries by the time he got sparked from Prescott, he could have called it a day then.

Ofcourse  ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 07, 2009, 02:49:56 PM
Spot on mate.
I can't really see what people wanted him to do? He was turning pro and people were waving cash in his face, was he going to say 'nah i'll train for nowt until some lads of a forum feel ive earned my quid'?

He also had no money worries by the time he got sparked from Prescott, he could have called it a day then.

Agreed, anyone would have taken the money that was offered to him, not his fault if he's offered it! People talk about his arrogance and that he doesn't come across well, but look at Haye, Froch, Calzaghe or Naz back in the day, all of them can/did come across as tits at times but they don't get booed the way Khan does in fights. Surely enough's enough, give the guy a break, the whole anti-Khan thing's getting a bit tired now!


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: AO88 on December 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PM
Agreed, anyone would have taken the money that was offered to him, not his fault if he's offered it! People talk about his arrogance and that he doesn't come across well, but look at Haye, Froch, Calzaghe or Naz back in the day, all of them can/did come across as tits at times but they don't get booed the way Khan does in fights. Surely enough's enough, give the guy a break, the whole anti-Khan thing's getting a bit tired now!

Dont agree there, Naz, Froch and Joe all have there fair share of haters or did, the majority of people i speak to can not stand Nazeem. They just pay not attention to it and get on with there careers or did, lol lets be honest Naz never gave a toss about anything but it was because he was so different i liked him.
Now i look back at his interviews and i think yeah he was a prick but as i kid he made me laugh, however i look back at his fight and people can call his qaulity of opponents all they want but the power he got into his shots was amazing when half the time he was nearly on his arse himself.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 07, 2009, 07:55:51 PM
Spot on mate.
I can't really see what people wanted him to do? He was turning pro and people were waving cash in his face, was he going to say 'nah i'll train for nowt until some lads of a forum feel ive earned my quid'?

He also had no money worries by the time he got sparked from Prescott, he could have called it a day then.

A lot of people bring up this 'why should any boxer care about what some forum members say about them'?Obviously they don't, it is just opinions that are thrashed out between forum members. They have no impact whatsoever on boxers and they shouldn't do either. No matter how spoon fed their careers or no matter how hard they have to work to get the spotlight, they all get into a ring and fight so they all earn their crust. All we have as members on here is the right to free speech basically! We all know it doesn't affect the fighters so that gives us the freedom to be as critical or as positive as we want to be.

The other point about Khan having no money worries by the Prescott fight, that is exactly why Khan has some people who can't take to him and resent the progress of his career. No-one can really justify Khan being a millionaire (or close to) by the time that fight happened because his career was in such a fledgling stage and he hadn't achieved anything in particular. Then to see him knocked senseless in his  box office debut added further fuel to those who doubted him. Then he beats Fagan and that gave him the right to share the ring with a legend, albeit faded in Barrera? And that fight warranted a world title shot at a higher weight class? There is definitely a question mark over why and how he has progressed in his career so far.

As for Khan himself, I have no issue whatsoever with him. He is never, ever in a dull fight, his speed is frightening, and aside from the Prescott fight he has pretty much delivered what was expected of him in every fight, so from that point of view he deserves his world champ status. As for his character, I have never seen anything other than a nice kid, with ambition and a clear dedication to his sport. He took a strong decision and a bold move to seek world class guidance after the Prescott fight, and he has now taken a sensible decision to restrict Frank W*****'s influence in his matchmaking by only signing to a co-promotion deal (if I understand that right). Khan himself I think is a credit to this country and I'll be more than happy to support him in future fights, especially as the calibre of opponent improves. If he can prosper in a higher class of fight and fulfill Roach's expectations, then his scholarship in the sport will be vindicated for sure, but right now he is clearly at a stage where he is ready and needs to take on higher challenges, because it is pointless blowing out guys like Salita fight after fight. He has the skills and speed to do pretty much anything he wants to. The only question mark is his chin. and he will only be tested in that regard if he fights world class operators, or certainly guys who are deserving of their high divisional rankings.

It matters not whether people are jealous of his early fame and fortune. If they are jealous of him then they should be jealous about countless other sportspeople as well. Myself, I just recognise the talent and hope that it is maximised. The point about Hatton fighting at the same limited level for too long is valid only because it is possible Hatton was allowed to stagnate for too long, and after the titanic effort against Tszyu, he simply didn't grow into the elite level as he might have done had he made the moves that Khan has made.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Smithy on December 07, 2009, 08:56:08 PM

It matters not whether people are jealous of his early fame and fortune. If they are jealous of him then they should be jealous about countless other sportspeople as well. Myself, I just recognise the talent and hope that it is maximised. The point about Hatton fighting at the same limited level for too long is valid only because it is possible Hatton was allowed to stagnate for too long, and after the titanic effort against Tszyu, he simply didn't grow into the elite level as he might have done had he made the moves that Khan has made.

Good Post (the wholes thing).

But on this bit thats the whole point its not just hatton nearly every top fighter out there today/in the past after 22 fights had done no more than what khan has infact often they had done/achieved less. Obviously there will be cases where you show a fighter achieving more but its not happening with hundreds of boxers.

Khan is doing well for his age/ number of years he has been a pro so i dont get why so many want to slate him, if khan is a idiot in ppls eyes for what hes done so far in his career (not saying thats what u think) then 90% of boxers out thtere ppl love are.

Basically ppl need to stop hating unnescessarily


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 07, 2009, 09:00:55 PM
A lot of people bring up this 'why should any boxer care about what some forum members say about them'?Obviously they don't, it is just opinions that are thrashed out between forum members. They have no impact whatsoever on boxers and they shouldn't do either. No matter how spoon fed their careers or no matter how hard they have to work to get the spotlight, they all get into a ring and fight so they all earn their crust. All we have as members on here is the right to free speech basically! We all know it doesn't affect the fighters so that gives us the freedom to be as critical or as positive as we want to be.

The other point about Khan having no money worries by the Prescott fight, that is exactly why Khan has some people who can't take to him and resent the progress of his career. No-one can really justify Khan being a millionaire (or close to) by the time that fight happened because his career was in such a fledgling stage and he hadn't achieved anything in particular. Then to see him knocked senseless in his  box office debut added further fuel to those who doubted him. Then he beats Fagan and that gave him the right to share the ring with a legend, albeit faded in Barrera? And that fight warranted a world title shot at a higher weight class? There is definitely a question mark over why and how he has progressed in his career so far.

As for Khan himself, I have no issue whatsoever with him. He is never, ever in a dull fight, his speed is frightening, and aside from the Prescott fight he has pretty much delivered what was expected of him in every fight, so from that point of view he deserves his world champ status. As for his character, I have never seen anything other than a nice kid, with ambition and a clear dedication to his sport. He took a strong decision and a bold move to seek world class guidance after the Prescott fight, and he has now taken a sensible decision to restrict Frank W*****'s influence in his matchmaking by only signing to a co-promotion deal (if I understand that right). Khan himself I think is a credit to this country and I'll be more than happy to support him in future fights, especially as the calibre of opponent improves. If he can prosper in a higher class of fight and fulfill Roach's expectations, then his scholarship in the sport will be vindicated for sure, but right now he is clearly at a stage where he is ready and needs to take on higher challenges, because it is pointless blowing out guys like Salita fight after fight. He has the skills and speed to do pretty much anything he wants to. The only question mark is his chin. and he will only be tested in that regard if he fights world class operators, or certainly guys who are deserving of their high divisional rankings.

It matters not whether people are jealous of his early fame and fortune. If they are jealous of him then they should be jealous about countless other sportspeople as well. Myself, I just recognise the talent and hope that it is maximised. The point about Hatton fighting at the same limited level for too long is valid only because it is possible Hatton was allowed to stagnate for too long, and after the titanic effort against Tszyu, he simply didn't grow into the elite level as he might have done had he made the moves that Khan has made.

Iq mate


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Gaz on December 07, 2009, 09:04:25 PM
Good Post (the wholes thing).

But on this bit thats the whole point its not just hatton nearly every top fighter out there today/in the past after 22 fights had done no more than what khan has infact often they had done/achieved less. Obviously there will be cases where you show a fighter achieving more but its not happening with hundreds of boxers.

Khan is doing well for his age/ number of years he has been a pro so i dont get why so many want to slate him, if khan is a idiot in ppls eyes for what hes done so far in his career (not saying thats what u think) then 90% of boxers out thtere ppl love are.

Basically ppl need to stop hating unnescessarily

Because of the headline platform he has been given even before he turned pro. In an attempt to stay away from the race issue because it isn't one that I give any consideration to, that is the reason I would suggest. He had essentially been treated as a world champion even before he won a Commonwealth belt.

People do need to stop the hating though because this kid is making the most of the start he has been given and seems to be a truly dedicated fighter who wants to be the best he can be.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Smithy on December 07, 2009, 09:20:26 PM
Because of the headline platform he has been given even before he turned pro. In an attempt to stay away from the race issue because it isn't one that I give any consideration to, that is the reason I would suggest. He had essentially been treated as a world champion even before he won a Commonwealth belt.

People do need to stop the hating though because this kid is making the most of the start he has been given and seems to be a truly dedicated fighter who wants to be the best he can be.

He got that platform and the treatment because he won a olympic medal at 17 for his country. RJJ, ODLH, Audley harrison, povetkin have all gotten it for doing well for their countries liek khan. Whether they deserve it (ODLH, RJJ) or not (harrison) cant be helped.

At the end of the day its not khans fault if the likes of hatton, murray etc had/are having to work twice as hard to get exposure/recognition...they werent winning olympic medals at 17 at the same age hatton was prob watching olympic boxing at the pub. So i dont feel sorry for them.

As for the race thing liek it or not it is there, when khan lost to prescott forumns, message boards etc had lots of idiots posting stuff like 'glad the p*** got knockout' etc and when out in pubs etc watching fights i hear ppl speaking liek that hoping he loses.

In closing His platform might not be fair in some ppls eyes but its resulted from winning a olympic medal at 17 its not his fault other british boxers havnt done so. Otherwise im certain they would have the platform. Watch the rest of the olympic guys over the next few years they will all get a 'easier' ride and yes like it or not there definatly a race issue underlying many boxing fans dislike of the guy.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: G-man on December 07, 2009, 11:12:04 PM
I told you all not to be surprised to witness improvements in Khan's punching power and also punch resistance since he's taking the same dietary suplements as Manny Pacman.
It is helping both guys improve their power and punch resistance.I will not get into the technicalities of it but Amir Khan did his job and put away his supposed opponent.
Salita was caught clean and was badly hurt.
Lets just wait and see Amir step up against Marquez,Maidana and we can Gauge his true Value of a Champion.
But for now full Credit to Amir for putting Salita away,he(Salita) had been protected for too long and this was coming to him.
I'm not quite sure how you figure his punch resistance has improved cos he's barely taken a punch since Prescott. However, that is to his (and Roach's) credit cos he now looks much more compact and less hittable when throwing his own punches than he once was.
 


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Tim2366 on December 07, 2009, 11:30:03 PM
I'm not quite sure how you figure his punch resistance has improved cos he's barely taken a punch since Prescott. However, that is to his (and Roach's) credit cos he now looks much more compact and less hittable when throwing his own punches than he once was.
 

I dunno man, looking at Prescott on the undercard still got me thinking he would land another left hook on Khan if they met again with the same result. Mitchell had the chin to cope with the thew shots Prescott landed but Khan does not and if anyone thinks Khan will drop Prescott after the shots that Mitchell landed on him there just wrong. Khan needs to end all this speculation and fight Prescott.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: deck on December 07, 2009, 11:46:16 PM
I dunno man, looking at Prescott on the undercard still got me thinking he would land another left hook on Khan if they met again with the same result. Mitchell had the chin to cope with the thew shots Prescott landed but Khan does not and if anyone thinks Khan will drop Prescott after the shots that Mitchell landed on him there just wrong. Khan needs to end all this speculation and fight Prescott.
There are an awful lot of fighters out there, some of them legends, that have never fought the people who beat them again. Can Prescott KO Khan again? Yes. Is he a better boxer? No. 


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Red on December 07, 2009, 11:51:57 PM
60 seconds mate.

All the fighters i know, would not let that lay.

It was not a injury withdrawal or debatable decision against him - he was utterly DESTROYED.

There is only one reason i can think of why he would not fight him again - and it's not because he's 'moved beyond him now'

 ;)


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 07, 2009, 11:53:06 PM
60 seconds mate.

All the fighters i know, would not let that lay.

It was not a injury withdrawal or debatable decision against him - he was utterly DESTROYED.

There is only one reason i can think of why he would not fight him again - and it's not because he's 'moved beyond him now'

 ;)

Its because Khan's bowels are moved by him! ;D


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: deck on December 07, 2009, 11:57:21 PM
60 seconds mate.

All the fighters i know, would not let that lay.

It was not a injury withdrawal or debatable decision against him - he was utterly DESTROYED.

There is only one reason i can think of why he would not fight him again - and it's not because he's 'moved beyond him now'

 ;)
That's true. I'm not saying that Khan is invincible by any stretch of the imagination but if you were him would you rematch Prescott or would you want to fight a better fighter for more money given the fact that either of them could spark you?


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Red on December 08, 2009, 12:07:38 AM
That's true. I'm not saying that Khan is invincible by any stretch of the imagination but if you were him would you rematch Prescott or would you want to fight a better fighter for more money given the fact that either of them could spark you?

Not everyone is interested in the money, sometimes it's more about the honour. The fact is, Khan has not obliterated anyone on his record, the way he was bazooka'd by Prescott.

Fact is, a rematch would sell a lot over here so that's not much of a factor.

At 140lb Prescott would be even bigger and busier and they know it.

Khan could fight in Jan if he wanted to and got a Sky date. He is in total shape and prep would not be an issue. But you'll not see it soon or even in the distant future.

If Khan ran like a chicken, pot-shotting his way to a UD, he'd still be 2nd to Prescott. He'd have to go back in there and absolutely take him apart and knock him out and Khan just can't do it with that china chin.



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: deck on December 08, 2009, 07:54:49 AM
Not everyone is interested in the money, sometimes it's more about the honour. The fact is, Khan has not obliterated anyone on his record, the way he was bazooka'd by Prescott.

Fact is, a rematch would sell a lot over here so that's not much of a factor.

At 140lb Prescott would be even bigger and busier and they know it.

Khan could fight in Jan if he wanted to and got a Sky date. He is in total shape and prep would not be an issue. But you'll not see it soon or even in the distant future.

If Khan ran like a chicken, pot-shotting his way to a UD, he'd still be 2nd to Prescott. He'd have to go back in there and absolutely take him apart and knock him out and Khan just can't do it with that china chin.


I understand where you are coming from but it doesn't work that way. Ali went 41 rounds over 3 fights with Frazier but Frasier got obliterated by Foreman over 7 rounds in two fights and never beat him. Not beating someone by a devestating KO in a rematch, if they've done it to you, doesn't always mean you are rubbish. Fighters have different strengths and you know that. Khan's not a massive puncher but he's very skillful. Do I think he has a long term future at world level? No. Not if he takes on a couple of meaningful fights. I do think that at the moment he is still learning under Roach and he's doing the best he can for the massive weakness that he can never get away from. I do think you would do the same if you were in his position. I know you have pride but you would also have sense at the end of the day.
Carl is a very exciting fighter and a big hitter but how long would he last if he had Khan's chin? Not too long would be my guess? Would he still fight the same and retire after a couple of fights of ending up on the canvas in the first round or would he adapt to survive? At the end of the day if you look at what Khan did on Saturday it proves that at heart, at least, he's got aggression and a lot of ability. He would be a very different fighter if he had the chin to allow him to fight with that abandon against the top fighters. He can't though so I cut him some slack for that as you are either born with a chin or you're not and bar a couple of exercises to help minimally you're stuck with it.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 08, 2009, 09:21:45 AM
There are an awful lot of fighters out there, some of them legends, that have never fought the people who beat them again. Can Prescott KO Khan again? Yes. Is he a better boxer? No. 

That sums it up in a nutshell mate.
Khan doesn't need to fight Prescott again and after losing on Saturday he probably wont.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Wheelchair on December 08, 2009, 09:28:50 AM
That sums it up in a nutshell mate.
Khan doesn't need to fight Prescott again and after losing on Saturday he probably wont.

After seeing Prescott's awful performance against Mitchell, & being generous to Amir, could we now say he was lucky against Khan? Just caught him cold?

I know Amir has a terrible chin anyway, but maybe, just maybe, he was unlucky against Prescott. Or was he outclassed?

Either way, there's no point Khan fighting him again now, he needs to move onto bigger things.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 08, 2009, 09:33:42 AM
After seeing Prescott's awful performance against Mitchell, & being generous to Amir, could we now say he was lucky against Khan? Just caught him cold?

I know Amir has a terrible chin anyway, but maybe, just maybe, he was unlucky against Prescott. Or was he outclassed?

Either way, there's no point Khan fighting him again now, he needs to move onto bigger things.

Agreed mate, there's no sense in Khan fighting Prescott at the minute.
If he did fight him there is a chance he could land another shot from way out and catch Khan again and his career would be utterly screwed. If  that did happen you could pretty much bet Prescott would go on to lose against the next fighter picked out for Khan, the kid can bang but not alot else. Khan will always have a chin issue IMO and fighting Prescott would only be a needless risk at the minute.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: King Cotto on December 08, 2009, 09:40:37 AM
Agreed mate, there's no sense in Khan fighting Prescott at the minute.
If he did fight him there is a chance he could land another shot from way out and catch Khan again and his career would be utterly screwed. If  that did happen you could pretty much bet Prescott would go on to lose against the next fighter picked out for Khan, the kid can bang but not alot else. Khan will always have a chin issue IMO and fighting Prescott would only be a needless risk at the minute.

Utter agreement. Personally, this one ko isn't enough to convince me that Khan's chinny and there is no need at all to set things straight with Prescott after he was exposed to such a degree (I enjoyed every min of that fight). AK just got caught out cold - immaturity and nervousness - one could see how tense he was and how much he wanted it against Prescott... and he got it... a lesson. Very good to watch the lad and I wish him well + hope his chin's better than people think,
'Go on to greater things Amir and try to silence your critics in the ring rather than some immature remarks in the media.'


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Skav on December 08, 2009, 10:13:52 AM
Agreed mate, there's no sense in Khan fighting Prescott at the minute.
If he did fight him there is a chance he could land another shot from way out and catch Khan again and his career would be utterly screwed. If  that did happen you could pretty much bet Prescott would go on to lose against the next fighter picked out for Khan, the kid can bang but not alot else. Khan will always have a chin issue IMO and fighting Prescott would only be a needless risk at the minute.

Time will tell, perhaps stepping up to LW may have done wonders for his chin. I did see him take a few little shots off Kotelnik here and there which he stood up to although I know that's not saying much.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: deck on December 08, 2009, 11:10:27 AM
After seeing Prescott's awful performance against Mitchell, & being generous to Amir, could we now say he was lucky against Khan? Just caught him cold?

I know Amir has a terrible chin anyway, but maybe, just maybe, he was unlucky against Prescott. Or was he outclassed?

Either way, there's no point Khan fighting him again now, he needs to move onto bigger things.
It wasn't lucky that Prescott won on the night. Khan rushed out like an idiot with no defence and all Prescott had to was land anything decent. There are countless fighters at 135 and 140lbs that could potentially do the same to Khan at the slightest lapse in defence. Is terms of ability he is very good but you're only as strong as your weakest link in boxing and his chin is very weak.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: King Cotto on December 08, 2009, 11:31:16 AM
It wasn't lucky that Prescott won on the night. Khan rushed out like an idiot with no defence and all Prescott had to was land anything decent. There are countless fighters at 135 and 140lbs that could potentially do the same to Khan at the slightest lapse in defence. Is terms of ability he is very good but you're only as strong as your weakest link in boxing and his chin is very weak.

Correct. One must attribute this to his youth and character. Both, Freddy Roach and a well chosen sequence of opponents will hopefully deal with Khan's liabilities. After one shot, who knows how weak his chin really is. I don't.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: Red on December 08, 2009, 12:41:27 PM
Sorry i disagree with all of you.

In somebody did me like that, it's the fight i'd want more than any.



Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: jimjack on December 08, 2009, 01:13:28 PM
Sorry i disagree with all of you.

In somebody did me like that, it's the fight i'd want more than any.



Maybe in the future, but what does he gain from fighting him now? Other than repairing a little dented pride (and face) he has nothing to gain from fighting a guy who has just been beat by a fellow Brit who is fighting on a level below Khan at the minute.
If he did fight him and win then people would only say 'well big deal, the columbian was just a flash in the pan and this proves nothing'. Khan will always have detractors no matter who he fights in the immediate future, this may change in the future but for the minute his career is alot more valuable than his pride.


Title: Re: Khan vs Salita and undercard discussion *spoilers
Post by: King Cotto on December 08, 2009, 01:27:46 PM
It doesn't make economic sense for Khan to fight Prescott again, pride or no pride. Perhaps he listens to his advisers; perhaps he is not half the fighter he would like to be. As a professional boxer, if people like it or not, he needs to consider his career and also his bank account. The profit motif IS involved and a fight against Prescott would not pay as much as against lets say Judah.
I'd also like to see him go out and take on the world now, for the sheer excitement of it. But perhaps by doing it step by step, he will give us a show for a decade to come. He might surprise us tho by answering all his critics with a big fight against a big name soon.