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 1 
 on: Today at 08:29:43 AM 
Started by Red - Last post by Red
I read somewhere that Jim Mac was fierce about fitness - if thats the case how come Degale's legs and concentration continue to fail him ?

Is it the weight class, does he need to step up - is he over trained?

His mental conditioning & thought processes nearly threw away the Dirrell fight down the stretch.

He's going to be a difficult puzzle for any trainer to solve. I think it's just his style, he needs to plant his feet and stop floating around and sagging on the ropes when he takes a breather. His output is erratic, he goes from putting down the gas to doing nothing - with no inbetween.

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 on: Today at 07:44:29 AM 
Started by Red - Last post by Driscoll
Amazing to think at the turn of the year he was arguably in one of the best fights of 2017 against Jack and at the end of the year the talk is his career is over. I missed the fight fell asleep but seen the interviews at the end and thought ****** honesty was refreshing.

If James is to continue perhaps now is time to change trainer and start to rebuild he's had a bad habit of 'falling asleep' in fights and making it harder than its had to be. He's not the best at just doing enough to nick rounds. I can only assume that lack of craft in his game plan comes from his coaching/training.

I have enjoyed some of his fights and wars however if he calls it a day for me at least it will be a career that never fully fulfilled its potential.

Degale is very much the boss and calls the shots in his team and itís been that way since the Olympics. Itís the reason heís stuck with Jimmy Mac this long because he doesnít like being told what to do. I canít see him changing trainer at this stage of his career, if he does I donít think it will end well. I wouldnít 100% rule out the possibility of him calling it a day either.

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 on: Yesterday at 08:59:09 PM 
Started by Red - Last post by Dexter_Morgan
Amazing to think at the turn of the year he was arguably in one of the best fights of 2017 against Jack and at the end of the year the talk is his career is over. I missed the fight fell asleep but seen the interviews at the end and thought ****** honesty was refreshing.

If James is to continue perhaps now is time to change trainer and start to rebuild he's had a bad habit of 'falling asleep' in fights and making it harder than its had to be. He's not the best at just doing enough to nick rounds. I can only assume that lack of craft in his game plan comes from his coaching/training.

I have enjoyed some of his fights and wars however if he calls it a day for me at least it will be a career that never fully fulfilled its potential.

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 on: Yesterday at 09:45:27 AM 
Started by Red - Last post by Red

By Steve Bunce

After a quick visit to a hospital, after twelve torrid rounds and after losing his beloved world title belt it is safe to say that James DeGale knows that fairytales are rare in the boxing business and that his homecoming was horrible.

His fight on Saturday night at the CopperBox against Caleb Truax, a safe guy he personally selected, was lost in round five when his bad habit of sitting on the ropes backfired in a bloody and brutal way. The final decision a few rounds later, one judge gave a draw and the other two went for the American, was only confirmation of the suffering in round five and DeGale was left utterly shocked at the end. He looked like a ruined shadow, a bloodied and unsteady ghost of the boy from the Beijing Olympics with the gold medal and the endless hopes.

DeGale, now 31, was rocked by the same punch, a nasty right uppercut, several times in the fifth and as his senses temporarily deserted him, his shattered nose started to bleed, smearing his face and blocking his throat simultaneously. It was uncomfortable viewing from ringside as Truaxís punches sent the dark blood spraying all over the ring, often with DeGale teetering in the direction of the flying blood.

It was DeGaleís first fight in Britain for three years after four world title fights on the road and his remaining splendid ambitions looked achievable in the first four rounds; Truax was trying to force the pace but DeGale slipped, hit, slid, hit again and was not in trouble or under threat until the start of the fifth round. Truax failed to finish it in the fifth and DeGale survived but he was in a savage scrap, his nose busted and his right shoulder, which went under the surgeonís knife in the summer, suddenly looking like an increasingly lame appendage, there for little more than an occasional block and an even rarer stiff jab. DeGale insisted after the fight that the shoulder was fine, which is probably true from a medical perspective, but he never used it like he once did; instead, as the gruelling fight got harder, he simply tapped it out, pushing it out with no power and seemingly having no confidence in the fix.

ďI will have to sit down and look at everything, look for what went wrong,Ē said DeGale at the end. He seemed totally confused when it was over, lost for an explanation for his lack of timing, sharpness and vanished ring craft: Truax looked unstoppable in some rounds and so easily beatable in others. It was a strange fight and not a fight that can be easily explained or excused without a thorough examination of all the factors involved in the shock. It might seem harsh to say but Truax wins the 2017 prize as the right man, in the right place, at the right time. He deserved the decision, but it was certainly not a massacre.

So DeGale lost far more than his IBF super-middleweight belt in the ring in east London, he lost his right to scream for big fights, his right to claim he is better than either Chris Eubank Jr or George Groves, both bitter rivals and both holding versions of the world title. His nose is damaged and he has to go back when the swelling has subsided, his belt is gone but the real loss was the luxury of bragging rights. The snowy Sunday morning held savage appraisals from both Groves and Eubank Jr, who incidentally fight each other in February. It can be cruel falling short of a destination your big mouth has predicted. Nobody predicted the Truax calamity and some bookies offered as deep as 46-1 on the American winning.

DeGale wants and deserves a rematch, which is like a tiny irrelevant speck at the moment. He needs to look at what motivates him now, try to solve the mysteries of his deserted form, which he insists was there before walking to the ring, and, when the physical damage has healed and when a new fight is in place, he will have to ask himself just how much is left and how badly he still wants to fight. The answers to those two naked questions are never easy if a boxer, a fallen golden boy like DeGale, has to ask them in the first place. The fight against Truax was a disturbing glimpse at a possibly horrible future.

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 on: Yesterday at 09:35:49 AM 
Started by Red - Last post by Red
Apparently he has been grounded by his mum and his man bag with his Gameboy in it has been taken off him.

He has literally blown a million pound payday against the Groves vs Eubank winner.

I bet those two are almost as gutted as James is.

 6 
 on: Yesterday at 09:34:10 AM 
Started by Dexter_Morgan - Last post by Red
Bye bye Rigo.

It's been a weekend of upsets.

 7 
 on: December 10, 2017, 01:59:05 PM 
Started by The Hurricane - Last post by jimjack
Loma/Rigo


Very disappointing fight, Rigo made a decision to call time on the fight rather than suffer the indignity of losing embarrassingly widely on the cards. He wasn't getting hurt, he wasn't taking many punches himself, but he wasn't winning anything and he was struggling to land his big left hand which was imperative to him.

Sounds utterly ridiculous to question his heart after so many years of success in the ring, but he certainly didn't go do or die in there. His back wasn't up against the wall, he didn't allow the wall to get even close. But he was undersized and against someone as gifted as Loma it mattered. A tactical retreat really. But such a disappointment though there was always a possibility it'd fail to deliver.

Truax/Degale

Sad night in that Degale lost to a guy who'd not even have troubled him a few fights back. It appeared like he's got a bum shoulder, whether that was a mental block or whether physical only he knows. He said he felt no pain, but he wasn't throwing it so something wasn't right....but if he can't punch properly with the right hand then he's reached the end of the line.

It was close'ish because Truax is so unremarkable and Degale was able to flurry at times to keep it in the balance, but overall Truax was trying to win whilst Degale was trying not to lose so the right decision. He said afterwards that he wants the rematch but needs to address issues within his camp....not sure what that means but it might be too late anyway if he can't commit to his right hand anymore.

If and its a big 'IF' his shoulder is okay going forward, then he certainly has the beating of Truax and there are still plenty of attractive British options for him against Groves/Eubank/Smith. He's still in a good position to fight the Super series winner because they'll be looking for a big name opponent and all of them will see him as an easyish mark after watching him last night. But he'd be a fool to continue with his career if he would be doing so in essence handicapped, guess we'll find out soon what he intends to do. Thought Groves tweets were very c*ntish tbh. Retweeting Jack was fairly pathetic really.

Farmer/Ogawa

Farmer was robbed blind, nothing much else to say. The Japanese fighter was tough and could see he had the potential to be dangerous if allowed to get into his groove. But Farmer just outskilled and outslicked him and was ripped off by horrendous judging. The sport is being destroyed by these decisions.

Watched the farmer fight this morning and once the last bell went I didnít wait to listen to the cwrdscas it was such a formality... how on Earth they gave that to the Japanese kid is beyond me, he won a couple of rds at best. Horrible result.

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 on: December 10, 2017, 01:13:21 PM 
Started by The Hurricane - Last post by lurkyshaka
Loma/Rigo


Very disappointing fight, Rigo made a decision to call time on the fight rather than suffer the indignity of losing embarrassingly widely on the cards. He wasn't getting hurt, he wasn't taking many punches himself, but he wasn't winning anything and he was struggling to land his big left hand which was imperative to him.

Sounds utterly ridiculous to question his heart after so many years of success in the ring, but he certainly didn't go do or die in there. His back wasn't up against the wall, he didn't allow the wall to get even close. But he was undersized and against someone as gifted as Loma it mattered. A tactical retreat really. But such a disappointment though there was always a possibility it'd fail to deliver.

Truax/Degale

Sad night in that Degale lost to a guy who'd not even have troubled him a few fights back. It appeared like he's got a bum shoulder, whether that was a mental block or whether physical only he knows. He said he felt no pain, but he wasn't throwing it so something wasn't right....but if he can't punch properly with the right hand then he's reached the end of the line.

It was close'ish because Truax is so unremarkable and Degale was able to flurry at times to keep it in the balance, but overall Truax was trying to win whilst Degale was trying not to lose so the right decision. He said afterwards that he wants the rematch but needs to address issues within his camp....not sure what that means but it might be too late anyway if he can't commit to his right hand anymore.

If and its a big 'IF' his shoulder is okay going forward, then he certainly has the beating of Truax and there are still plenty of attractive British options for him against Groves/Eubank/Smith. He's still in a good position to fight the Super series winner because they'll be looking for a big name opponent and all of them will see him as an easyish mark after watching him last night. But he'd be a fool to continue with his career if he would be doing so in essence handicapped, guess we'll find out soon what he intends to do. Thought Groves tweets were very c*ntish tbh. Retweeting Jack was fairly pathetic really.

Farmer/Ogawa

Farmer was robbed blind, nothing much else to say. The Japanese fighter was tough and could see he had the potential to be dangerous if allowed to get into his groove. But Farmer just outskilled and outslicked him and was ripped off by horrendous judging. The sport is being destroyed by these decisions.

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 on: December 10, 2017, 11:37:31 AM 
Started by The Hurricane - Last post by Chris
George Groves teeet to Degale was superb  Grin

Bit snidey wasn't it.

Considering the Degale fight against Jack, it's a very disappointing result, as that was a great fight, and Jack is very good.

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 on: December 10, 2017, 10:37:06 AM 
Started by The Hurricane - Last post by Driscoll
George Groves teeet to Degale was superb  Grin

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