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« Reply #8955 on: January 08, 2012, 05:56:52 PM »

Why did the ref see into the future and see Jones's handball and therefore not give it? Roll Eyes

How is it lucky to get a penalty that was a penalty? Huh?



He did not have to see into future neither did I say he did, but it was a bit of what goes around comes around.

Anyone needs luck to get a good decision their way, hense you had none for the second appeal and City had none for the hand ball. Ok yes we can say the ref etc should call it but nobody get everything right all the time.
Foy was 1 out of four in decisions he got correct today -
It was not a red card.
The United penalty was correct.
He missed the second appeal.
And he missed Jone's hand ball for a City pen.

Hense you need a bit of luck for some to go your way.
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« Reply #8956 on: January 08, 2012, 06:02:05 PM »

Liverpool vs United wow! If we would of won, we would be playing Liverpool 4 times this month!

Is suarez back for it?
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« Reply #8957 on: January 08, 2012, 06:06:13 PM »

Jesus, i even said to the mrs after the City game "i bet it's Liverpool away".

I hope Kenny is going to appease the Liverpool fans like he expects Fergie to do. Tongue

Where did Kenny say he expected Ferguson to appease your lot? Wasn't the newspaper making stuff up again per chance was it?!

Ferguson just been interviewed about the draw, said he was happy and the only real decision he had to make was whether to bring back Foy or Webb as both had played brilliantly for them lately
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« Reply #8958 on: January 08, 2012, 06:06:43 PM »

Liverpool vs United wow! If we would of won, we would be playing Liverpool 4 times this month!

Is suarez back for it?

No, back for Spurs then United away
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« Reply #8959 on: January 08, 2012, 06:07:09 PM »

Man U were 10/1 to win the cup before today.
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« Reply #8960 on: January 08, 2012, 06:11:13 PM »

Man U were 10/1 to win the cup before today.

and the odds should still be the same, nothing much would of changed with the performqnce today
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« Reply #8961 on: January 08, 2012, 06:12:37 PM »

He did not have to see into future neither did I say he did, but it was a bit of what goes around comes around.

Anyone needs luck to get a good decision their way, hense you had none for the second appeal and City had none for the hand ball. Ok yes we can say the ref etc should call it but nobody get everything right all the time.
Foy was 1 out of four in decisions he got correct today -
It was not a red card.
The United penalty was correct.
He missed the second appeal.
And he missed Jone's hand ball for a City pen.

Hense you need a bit of luck for some to go your way.
Like has been said on the radio phone ins, there is no consistency. Unfortunately that is always the way when human error can be involved. In defence of Foy with the red card, he had a decision to make having seen it once at full speed. Referees are told to clamp down on two footed tackles and it was. We've seen in the past that whether you win the ball or not is largely irrelevant to the decision. You can't tackle two footed - it's as simple as that and you run the risk of a red if you do. City's appeal is fruitless because Foy has acted by the letter of the law. They're running the risk of an extra game ban and there is no way the FA won't back the ref's decision.

We all know the game has gone softer and softer for ages and it doesn't matter if it was a good tackle 20-30 years ago - they are the rules now.
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« Reply #8962 on: January 08, 2012, 06:16:04 PM »

Like has been said on the radio phone ins, there is no consistency. Unfortunately that is always the way when human error can be involved. In defence of Foy with the red card, he had a decision to make having seen it once at full speed. Referees are told to clamp down on two footed tackles and it was. We've seen in the past that whether you win the ball or not is largely irrelevant to the decision. You can't tackle two footed - it's as simple as that and you run the risk of a red if you do. City's appeal is fruitless because Foy has acted by the letter of the law. They're running the risk of an extra game ban and there is no way the FA won't back the ref's decision.

We all know the game has gone softer and softer for ages and it doesn't matter if it was a good tackle 20-30 years ago - they are the rules now.
I just don't understand how a guy can get banned for a tackle that won the ball, if anything they should reduce his ban but they wont as that is an admission of error.
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« Reply #8963 on: January 08, 2012, 06:18:49 PM »



Ferguson just been interviewed about the draw, said he was happy and the only real decision he had to make was whether to bring back Foy or Webb as both had played brilliantly for them lately
This is about as tiresome as the motorway being clear jokes. Funny how no one mentions the decisions that don't go our way - and there's plenty of them.

I'm sure Fergie will be meeting up with the FA execs to choose his ref for the next round and will probably sit on the board for Kompany's appeal etc.etc
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« Reply #8964 on: January 08, 2012, 06:20:14 PM »

I just don't understand how a guy can get banned for a tackle that won the ball, if anything they should reduce his ban but they wont as that is an admission of error.
Because he tackled two footed and you can't do it anymore just like you can't tackle from behind even if you win the ball. It's not an error because that's how they are taught to referee.
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« Reply #8965 on: January 08, 2012, 06:26:10 PM »

Like has been said on the radio phone ins, there is no consistency. Unfortunately that is always the way when human error can be involved. In defence of Foy with the red card, he had a decision to make having seen it once at full speed. Referees are told to clamp down on two footed tackles and it was. We've seen in the past that whether you win the ball or not is largely irrelevant to the decision. You can't tackle two footed - it's as simple as that and you run the risk of a red if you do. City's appeal is fruitless because Foy has acted by the letter of the law. They're running the risk of an extra game ban and there is no way the FA won't back the ref's decision.

We all know the game has gone softer and softer for ages and it doesn't matter if it was a good tackle 20-30 years ago - they are the rules now.

There is too much money in football now and to many "human errors" that can cost teams money and trophies! Computer Tech needs to bring in instead of realying on a human to make all the correct decisions! To me it was 2 footed which in the law book (which is an ass) is a straight red, the fact that the ball was won, It was a massive game and advert for itv, 12mins in, kompany was more or less standing on the spot when he challenged and also with Mr Rooney waving the "imagenary card" all these should of come into consideration and just a yellow been awarded! another fact is that NANI is a complete drama queen and only has to be brushed pass for him to go down like a shot, didnt even fall, didnt even react, he tunred around a chased the ball where 5 secs later a red was shown! To be honest i dont even think the ref had could see the incident

In a way with my points City should appeal against the red as Kompany is massive in the heart of defence, saying that "Milijas" card the other week was turned away! i have also heard and this was in the run up on the S.uarez case that if an appeal is a failed 1 the ban isnt increased???
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« Reply #8966 on: January 08, 2012, 06:37:09 PM »

This is about as tiresome as the motorway being clear jokes. Funny how no one mentions the decisions that don't go our way - and there's plenty of them.

I'm sure Fergie will be meeting up with the FA execs to choose his ref for the next round and will probably sit on the board for Kompany's appeal etc.etc

*only a little joke calm down calm down*  Grin

BTW, he has already given his thoughts on Kompany Greg, "Done it before, surprised he has got away with it" etc

Mastermind at seed planting and if you think people including the FA don't listen to him then you need to give your head a wobble  Smiley

For all his achievements in the game, he is still as cute and as snidey as they come, Machiavelli learnt his tricks from Ferguson  Tongue
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« Reply #8967 on: January 08, 2012, 06:41:15 PM »

There is too much money in football now and to many "human errors" that can cost teams money and trophies! Computer Tech needs to bring in instead of realying on a human to make all the correct decisions! To me it was 2 footed which in the law book (which is an ass) is a straight red, the fact that the ball was won, It was a massive game and advert for itv, 12mins in, kompany was more or less standing on the spot when he challenged and also with Mr Rooney waving the "imagenary card" all these should of come into consideration and just a yellow been awarded! another fact is that NANI is a complete drama queen and only has to be brushed pass for him to go down like a shot, didnt even fall, didnt even react, he tunred around a chased the ball where 5 secs later a red was shown! To be honest i dont even think the ref had could see the incident
Listen, i'm not disagreeing that football is now a game for fannies, i'm saying on what grounds are you/City expecting it to be rescinded based on the rule that a two footed tackle is a red card or can be interpreted as one? Joey Barton had his appeal turned down over the Bradley Johnson incident because he went nose to nose with him - you can't do it, it doesn't matter that he didn't headbutt him or whatever. It's not the refs job not to spoil a spectacle or worry that it's on TV. The Nani point is irrelevant to an appeal - you can't seriously believe that will hold up as evidence. Rooney actually held up 2 fingers not an imaginary card. It's still a C**ts trick but every team in the league has a player that goes down easy, hounds the ref waves an imaginary card etc. - your manager did it during the week.

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i have also heard and this was in the run up on the S.uarez case that if an appeal is a failed 1 the ban isnt increased???
It's not compulsary, it's at the FA's discression. I think it's to do with 'frivolous' appealing.
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« Reply #8968 on: January 08, 2012, 06:45:40 PM »

In a way with my points City should appeal against the red as Kompany is massive in the heart of defence, saying that "Milijas" card the other week was turned away! i have also heard and this was in the run up on the S.uarez case that if an appeal is a failed 1 the ban isnt increased???

Only way the ban would be increased is if the appeal is deemed to be frivolous, i.e wasting the FA's time - the FA decide if it's frivolous or not

I don't think it is but I see them standing by Foy and it won't be rescinded, it was two footed, scissor style and he won the ball, however, Nani made it easier for him by jumping out the way and I think the rules state if two feet are off the floor then a player isn't in control of his body

The FA would have some balls to increase the ban for a frivolous appeal considering they have just had a game knocked off Rooneys UEFA ban, but it is the FA we're talking about, consistently inconsistent

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« Reply #8969 on: January 08, 2012, 06:52:46 PM »

In a way with my points City should appeal against the red as Kompany is massive in the heart of defence, saying that "Milijas" card the other week was turned away! i have also heard and this was in the run up on the S.uarez case that if an appeal is a failed 1 the ban isnt increased???

Appealing will be a complete waste of time. Whether you agree or not Kompany is bang to rights with regards to the referees rules/guidelines which ALL teams are aware of. It was a two footed challenge and reckless. It would have looked a LOT worse if Nana hadnt had the brains/speed to get out of the way.  Undecided

Anyway City fans keep reminding everyone that "the 2nd best team in the permiership is our reserves", "Richest club in the world", "Blue moon rising" and "We buy who we want" etc, etc so it shouldnt rally be a big deal should it  Huh?
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