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« on: July 10, 2009, 05:41:26 PM »

Below the Belt 07.10.09: Mayweather Hate Edition
Posted by Patrick Mullin on 07.10.2009

Since when is being great a reason to catch so much hate? Read on, as we get our fill with twice the bitterness!

Below the Belt: Mayweather Hate Edition

There was a time when being the best fighter of your generation meant adulation and respect from the people who watched your era of dominance. Why is it that arguably the greatest fighter of not only his own era, but the last several eras of boxing then is in the same boat as the late Rodney Dangerfield and getting no respect?

When Floyd Mayweather finally announced what many saw as an inevitable comeback, the question remained who would his opponent be? While many hoped for a dream match with Manny Pacquiao or an exciting showdown with Miguel Cotto or Shane Mosley, Mayweather chose unlikely candidate Juan Manuel Marquez.

Marquez, currently a champion in the lightweight division, seemed like an odd choice. Mayweather hasn't fought at 135 pounds in close to 6 years, not to mention that Marquez only made his lightweight debut in his last fight, otherwise having made his home in the featherweight and junior lightweight divisions over the course of his career. Still, Marquez is seen by the vast majority as the #2 active pound for pound fighter in the world behind only Manny Pacquiao, his arch-rival with whom he's fought to two disputed decisions, one a draw and one a split decision loss.

For whatever reason, people immediately began questioning Mayweather's motivations. Why is he taking on a lighter fighter, why isn't he fighting Pacquiao, why isn't he doing this or that, etc etc. People were acting as if Floyd was some big, physically imposing menace ala Paul Williams trying to find as small a fighter with as high regard as possible for some cheap credit.

I guess the part of that hate stems from poor short term memory, as for the majority of his fighting career, and most especially in his bigger fights, Floyd has been the naturally smaller man. He's moved up and given away size against Castillo, Corley, N'dou, Gatti, Baldomir, Judah, De la Hoya, and even Ricky Hatton was the naturally bigger man when they locked horns. Why does Floyd always have to be the small man, yet when he's finally the one with a size advantage all of a sudden he's a bully?

Then the July 18th fight date was postponed when Floyd made an announcement that he suffered a rib injury in training camp. "Experts", including some in our very own 411Family were quick to say that Floyd was running scared. So a guy lays off for two years, then gets into a rigorous training routine preparing for the second best fighter in the sport, and its out of the question he was taking on too much too soon?

The more logical theory of faking a rib injury that emerged, was that when Mayweather saw Miguel Cotto suffer a vicious cut above his eye in his victory over Joshua Clottey, that he thought it would take Miguel out of the running for a potential fight with Manny Pacquiao, and Floyd could move in on said opportunity. When negotiations between the Pacquiao and Cotto camps went forward anyway, Mayweather immediately rescheduled his bout with Marquez for September, two months prior to the rumored date of the Pacquiao-Cotto bout.

Why all the hate for this guy? Is it because he constantly runs his mouth and there's nobody who can shut it? You know what? If nobody can shut his mouth why doesn't he have the right to run it?

How many guys are there who can say they've beaten everyone they ever faced, including close to a dozen world champions? How many guys are there who've had 30+ fights and still don't have a blemish on their record without taking a gimmie in over a decade? He's beaten Hall of Famers with no controversy and hasn't ducked anyone regardless of what people will try to claim. What the hell does Floyd have to do to get some respect? Its sickening to watch a guy who could be the greatest boxer to ever live get nothing but disrespect from the people who claim to love the sport and appreciate the talent its top stars bring.

http://www.411mania.com/boxing/columns/109751

Who exactly hates Mayweather? I'm not sure who this article is aimed at but I thought it was worth sharing.

The main problem I have with Mayweather is that he does go on about having dominated all the divisions he has fought in. In the early years I would tend to agree, but who has he fought at LWW, WW and LMW in relation to who he hasn't fought for whatever reason? Of course it's unreasonable to expect a guy to fight the very best fighters, fight after fight. Surely though to dominate each division you have to beat some if no all of the top 3 or 4 fighters in each division? Or am I being naive?

I doubt there has ever been a beter athlete and technician in boxing, but for me there is a sense of unfulfillment about Floyd's career. And he does talk an awful lot of shite, and does not know how to respond graciously to questions over his position in the sport.
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2009, 05:48:42 PM »


Who exactly hates Mayweather? I'm not sure who this article is aimed at but I thought it was worth sharing.

The main problem I have with Mayweather is that he does go on about having dominated all the divisions he has fought in. In the early years I would tend to agree, but who has he fought at LWW, WW and LMW in relation to who he hasn't fought for whatever reason? Of course it's unreasonable to expect a guy to fight the very best fighters, fight after fight. Surely though to dominate each division you have to beat some if no all of the top 3 or 4 fighters in each division? Or am I being naive?

I doubt there has ever been a beter athlete and technician in boxing, but for me there is a sense of unfulfillment about Floyd's career. And he does talk an awful lot of shite, and does not know how to respond graciously to questions over his position in the sport.

When Floyd came back he's said he wants to show he's 'one' of the best boxers out there and to add a few more names to his resume. He was dominated every weight division on the way up bar LWW, WW and LMW. We all know that he could have dominated the Lightwelterweight division if he chose to but he wanted mre belts in more divisions. And he got them. For me I think that he is the best fighter out there and that's including Pacquaio. Just because he's the best I don't think he can beat anyone put in from of him. The likes of Williams, Margarito etc are really Middleweights by the time they get in the ring. So whiile it seems ironic, although he resides in the WW division at the moment he's not the current best Welter. At least on paper.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2009, 05:53:42 PM »

When Floyd came back he's said he wants to show he's 'one' of the best boxers out there and to add a few more names to his resume. He was dominated every weight division on the way up bar LWW, WW and LMW. We all know that he could have dominated the Lightwelterweight division if he chose to but he wanted mre belts in more divisions. And he got them. For me I think that he is the best fighter out there and that's including Pacquaio. Just because he's the best I don't think he can beat anyone put in from of him. The likes of Williams, Margarito etc are really Middleweights by the time they get in the ring. So whiile it seems ironic, although he resides in the WW division at the moment he's not the current best Welter. At least on paper.

We all know that he is one of the best out there already, we didn't need a comeback to tell us that. I do think he has, at least on the quiet, listened to some of the criticism about his reigns at the 3 heavier weight classes being not anywhere near complete, so I am pleased that he has come back and given himself a chance to cement his legacy properly.
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2009, 05:55:46 PM »

Well he's not back for a Marquez fight only. Pac will follow but i'm not sure about Cotto. I think Floyd would  beat Cotto by UD with good defence. Cotto is vulnerable to straight shots down the middle and that's Floyd's forte.
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2009, 05:58:31 PM »

Well he's not back for a Marquez fight only. Pac will follow but i'm not sure about Cotto. I think Floyd would  beat Cotto by UD with good defence. Cotto is vulnerable to straight shots down the middle and that's Floyd's forte.

I know he's not only back for Marquez. It will be interesting to see where he goes after beatig Marquez, which he obviously will. How long do you envisae him sticking around for? If he beats Marquez and then Pacquiao, then what? Retire again?
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2009, 05:58:38 PM »

There are a lot of double standards surrounding Mayweather, people who dislike his personality often let this influence their opinions when discussing his ring achievements.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2009, 06:02:17 PM »

There are a lot of double standards surrounding Mayweather, people who dislike his personality often let this influence their opinions when discussing his ring achievements.

Maybe, but I am one person who thinks that he himself has overrated his own achievements. Part of me thinks that's why he's back, because deep down he knows that the question marks over this legacy he left are justified in some quarters. I can't think of a fighter who would beat him to be honest, but he comes out with comments that just make you cringe. The best example I can think of is in a recent interview with Brian Kenny, when floyd started talking about Margarito, Mosley and Cotto, how they have all beaten each other but none of the have ever beaten Floyd Mayweather..... Lips Sealed
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2009, 06:15:24 PM »

I find him very easy to dis-like, he talks alot of rubbish, and carries on like a prat some times, but as a boxer he is incredible, his style just does not float my boat.
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 06:28:23 PM »

In terms of skill he is up there with very best in boxing without doubt imo, his personality does him no favours and the money obsession thing but thats him and he aint changing if we want him to or not.
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2009, 06:42:40 PM »

For me Floyd Mayweather Jr is the Greatest fighter of the modern era and top 5 of all time. I know people are quick to say since his days at Lightweight he as cherry picked matches but he as gone about his business and made plenty of money.
How many fighters can boast a 39-0 record including being a 5 weight World Champion. His style for me is brilliant and while people scoff at his performance in the Baldomir fight I thought skill wise it was about as perfect Boxing as what you will ever see. He showed in the Corrales fight how quick he was against naturally bigger Guys and even against Brawlers like Gatti and Hatton he showed he could beat them at there own game and knocked the pair of them out. I would love to see him fight a WW in the calibre of Cotto, Margarito or Mosley but lets be honest here working with Arum is a major sore point with him because he owes him money and its hardly surprising with his success in 2 major PPV's he would want to line that man's pockets.
I'm glad Floyd is back Boxing needs him because he is a major attraction in the sport and what we are seeing now should be savoured because once he does hang them up Boxing will be at a loss with out him.
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2009, 06:54:43 PM »

For me Floyd Mayweather Jr is the Greatest fighter of the modern era and top 5 of all time. I know people are quick to say since his days at Lightweight he as cherry picked matches but he as gone about his business and made plenty of money.
How many fighters can boast a 39-0 record including being a 5 weight World Champion. His style for me is brilliant and while people scoff at his performance in the Baldomir fight I thought skill wise it was about as perfect Boxing as what you will ever see. He showed in the Corrales fight how quick he was against naturally bigger Guys and even against Brawlers like Gatti and Hatton he showed he could beat them at there own game and knocked the pair of them out. I would love to see him fight a WW in the calibre of Cotto, Margarito or Mosley but lets be honest here working with Arum is a major sore point with him because he owes him money and its hardly surprising with his success in 2 major PPV's he would want to line that man's pockets.
I'm glad Floyd is back Boxing needs him because he is a major attraction in the sport and what we are seeing now should be savoured because once he does hang them up Boxing will be at a loss with out him.

Whilst I'm glad to see him back to conclude whatever unfinished business the as to conclude, I personally didn't miss him one bit when he was 'retired'.

I agree about the Baldomir fight, he just made the guy look slow, clumsy and foolish. It was more or less perfection. I just question how great he is because of the gaps in his record since moving up to 140 and beyond. Roy Jones was talked about once by some guy, I can't remember who, but they basically said that Jones' greatness couldn't be assessed because he was just too good for everyone he fought. I think that applies to Floyd to some degree. Hes fought a lot of excellent fighters and never come close to losing, so when a guy is so untouchable, but doesn't mix it with the very best in every weight class, that's where my reservation lies about his 5-weight world champ status. I find it difficult to take the LMW belt seriously because that was just a mone match with a part time fighter in De La Hoya. That was hardly a major title fight. And beating Baldomir to 'confirm' his status as the marquee welterweight, well that doesn't wash with me. Technically and in terms of his athletic ability, he is second to no other fighter in any era, you could quite easily argue that case. But he is phenomenally versatile in that he can move up and down the weights without suffering any physical disadvantages.
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2009, 06:57:02 PM »

Sorry, he just gets on my nerves. I know he's class but his trash-talking just gets my goat. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE trash talk! I'm a big David Haye fan! But Mayweather just seems to try too hard, is never funny and seems to enjoy being a berk.
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2009, 06:58:56 PM »

For me Floyd Mayweather Jr is the Greatest fighter of the modern era and top 5 of all time. I know people are quick to say since his days at Lightweight he as cherry picked matches but he as gone about his business and made plenty of money.
How many fighters can boast a 39-0 record including being a 5 weight World Champion. His style for me is brilliant and while people scoff at his performance in the Baldomir fight I thought skill wise it was about as perfect Boxing as what you will ever see. He showed in the Corrales fight how quick he was against naturally bigger Guys and even against Brawlers like Gatti and Hatton he showed he could beat them at there own game and knocked the pair of them out. I would love to see him fight a WW in the calibre of Cotto, Margarito or Mosley but lets be honest here working with Arum is a major sore point with him because he owes him money and its hardly surprising with his success in 2 major PPV's he would want to line that man's pockets.
I'm glad Floyd is back Boxing needs him because he is a major attraction in the sport and what we are seeing now should be savoured because once he does hang them up Boxing will be at a loss with out him.

Really? He never was before and considering there were rumours that his scheduled July bout with Marquez failed to sell over a 1,000 tickets, I find it hard to believe.

That's why they had to move the fight to Mexican day (forgot the actual name of it), to bring in the crowd.

As for top 5 of all time, you are talking about Floyd going up against such legends as Leonard, Robinson, Ali etc and the quality of opposition those guys fought alone beats Floyd's achievements of being a 5 weight champ.




As for my own opinion on Floyd, I find his style frustrating. Anyone who turns his back on punches isn't pleasing to watch and his cherry picking cannot be ignored, especially when you are trying to set a legacy in the sport. Floyd obviously doesn't care about legacy, only $$$.

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2009, 07:03:16 PM »

I find him very easy to dis-like, he talks alot of rubbish, and carries on like a prat some times, but as a boxer he is incredible, his style just does not float my boat.

Fair points, have you checked out Mayweather's fights at the lighter weights? He took far more risks, and therefore got hit a fair bit more, I found his bouts with Chavez, N'Dou, Corley, Manfredy and Burton to be very exciting.
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2009, 07:03:54 PM »

Good posts Gaz and Tito i agree with both, i like that point Gaz on how to assess how good he is as he is so superior to the rest its a interesting one.
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