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[Gaz]

Fair points, have you checked out Mayweather's fights at the lighter weights? He took far more risks, and therefore got hit a fair bit more, I found his bouts with Chavez, N'Dou, Corley, Manfredy and Burton to be very exciting.

That's why no-one could possibly argue with his domination of the lighter weight classes. It's at 140 and beyond where the issues lie.

[Aaron]

Really? He never was before and considering there were rumours that his scheduled July bout with Marquez failed to sell over a 1,000 tickets, I find it hard to believe.

That's why they had to move the fight to Mexican day (forgot the actual name of it), to bring in the crowd.

As for top 5 of all time, you are talking about Floyd going up against such legends as Leonard, Robinson, Ali etc and the quality of opposition those guys fought alone beats Floyd's achievements of being a 5 weight champ.




As for my own opinion on Floyd, I find his style frustrating. Anyone who turns his back on punches isn't pleasing to watch and his cherry picking cannot be ignored, especially when you are trying to set a legacy in the sport. Floyd obviously doesn't care about legacy, only $$$.

I have a strong feeling that come the end of next year you will not be able to say that, do you have any links or anything to say where the fight only sold a thousand tickets or whatever?
I heard it did bad but i cant believe it did that bad

[Haynesey]

Whilst I'm glad to see him back to conclude whatever unfinished business the as to conclude, I personally didn't miss him one bit when he was 'retired'.

I agree about the Baldomir fight, he just made the guy look slow, clumsy and foolish. It was more or less perfection. I just question how great he is because of the gaps in his record since moving up to 140 and beyond. Roy Jones was talked about once by some guy, I can't remember who, but they basically said that Jones' greatness couldn't be assessed because he was just too good for everyone he fought. I think that applies to Floyd to some degree. Hes fought a lot of excellent fighters and never come close to losing, so when a guy is so untouchable, but doesn't mix it with the very best in every weight class, that's where my reservation lies about his 5-weight world champ status. I find it difficult to take the LMW belt seriously because that was just a mone match with a part time fighter in De La Hoya. That was hardly a major title fight. And beating Baldomir to 'confirm' his status as the marquee welterweight, well that doesn't wash with me. Technically and in terms of his athletic ability, he is second to no other fighter in any era, you could quite easily argue that case. But he is phenomenally versatile in that he can move up and down the weights without suffering any physical disadvantages.

I would definitely take Mayweather's light middleweight belt seriously, he faced a very game and very good De La Hoya, who was amongst the very best 154lbers at the time and put in a performance superior to any of his others is recent years.

Mayweather faced Baldomir because he owned a portion of the welterweight title, and also had he linear claim. Floyd would not of been considered the undisputed #1 with Baldomir still on the scene; if you would like evidence of this, check out Brian Kenney's interview with Floyd at the beginning of 2006.

[Haynesey]

That's why no-one could possibly argue with his domination of the lighter weight classes. It's at 140 and beyond where the issues lie.

I was referring to the risks he took inside the ring, Mayweather was far more aggressive and audience conscience in his earlier years.

[Gaz]

I was referring to the risks he took inside the ring, Mayweather was far more aggressive and audience conscience in his earlier years.

I know. That's why no-one is arguing with his supremacy back then, you'll get no argument from me on that one.

I would definitely take Mayweather's light middleweight belt seriously, he faced a very game and very good De La Hoya, who was amongst the very best 154lbers at the time and put in a performance superior to any of his others is recent years.

Mayweather faced Baldomir because he owned a portion of the welterweight title, and also had he linear claim. Floyd would not of been considered the undisputed #1 with Baldomir still on the scene; if you would like evidence of this, check out Brian Kenney's interview with Floyd at the beginning of 2006.

De La Hoya has been  part-timer ever since he got into promoting, so I don't see how he was around enough to be considered one of the top 154lbers at the time. He's always lost against the elite fighters he has faced anyway.

As for Baldomir, I'm pretty sure I've argued this with you on the old Hatton site and we agreed to differ on our respective opinions!

[Haynesey]

Really? He never was before and considering there were rumours that his scheduled July bout with Marquez failed to sell over a 1,000 tickets, I find it hard to believe.

That's why they had to move the fight to Mexican day (forgot the actual name of it), to bring in the crowd.

As for top 5 of all time, you are talking about Floyd going up against such legends as Leonard, Robinson, Ali etc and the quality of opposition those guys fought alone beats Floyd's achievements of being a 5 weight champ.




As for my own opinion on Floyd, I find his style frustrating. Anyone who turns his back on punches isn't pleasing to watch and his cherry picking cannot be ignored, especially when you are trying to set a legacy in the sport. Floyd obviously doesn't care about legacy, only $$$.

I agree for the most part, Mayweather will never touch top 5 and is currently around top 50, top 10 is a possibility if he really picks up the pace, but that's a big if.

On the point about Floyd only caring about $$$, it is ironic that when he turned down a supposedly $8 million offer for a Margarito bout in favour of a fight with the higher ranked fighter, he was critisised and accused of ducking Antonio.

[Haynesey]

I know. That's why no-one is arguing with his supremacy back then, you'll get no argument from me on that one.

Cool, although I don't see how his fighting style affects supremacy?

De La Hoya has been  part-timer ever since he got into promoting, so I don't see how he was around enough to be considered one of the top 154lbers at the time. He's always lost against the elite fighters he has faced anyway.

He was definitely a part-timer, although the weakness of the division and his victory over Mayorga placed him among the very best. His performance against Floyd should also be taken into account, it wasn't half bad for a part time fighter, although I only had him winning three rounds.

As for Baldomir, I'm pretty sure I've argued this with you on the old Hatton site and we agreed to differ on our respective opinions!

You must of pushed me far man, I never agree to disagree

[Gaz]

Cool, although I don't see how his fighting style affects supremacy?

He was definitely a part-timer, although the weakness of the division and his victory over Mayorga placed him among the very best. His performance against Floyd should also be taken into account, it wasn't half bad for a part time fighter, although I only had him winning three rounds.

You must of pushed me far man, I never agree to disagree

It's hard to explain, but my thoughts are based around Floyd actually looking to dominate and stop opponents once they get in the ring with him. He forced a lot of impressive stoppages early in his career. He erased the Castillo question mark convincingly enough as well in the rematch, so his willingness to correct te gaps in his record couldn't be argued with. I hope that clears it up a little!

De La Hoya's performance was alright, but again that was mainly down to Floyd coasting through the whole fight. No-one can tell me that both guys put in a full-blooded effort to win the fight convincingly, that's why I don't take the world title involved seriously.

And yeah I think we argued for about 5 days about the Baldomir saga, it was a proper marathon!! 

[Skav]

I have a strong feeling that come the end of next year you will not be able to say that, do you have any links or anything to say where the fight only sold a thousand tickets or whatever?
I heard it did bad but i cant believe it did that bad

No links, it was just rumours, as I stated.  But the fight could not have been selling that well for them to move it to a Mexican Day.

Not even the Americans like him that much. I bought a Floyd Mayweather vs Oscar De La Hoya jacket from an ebay seller who I met up with in Vegas for the Pac vs Hatton fight and even he said he hated Mayweather. He was a Mosley fan.

And Aaron, I'll mark your words down and keep them for next year.  

On the point about Floyd only caring about $$$, it is ironic that when he turned down a supposedly $8 million offer for a Margarito bout in favour of a fight with the higher ranked fighter, he was critisised and accused of ducking Antonio.

He didn't want to lose his 0.

[Haynesey]

It's hard to explain, but my thoughts are based around Floyd actually looking to dominate and stop opponents once they get in the ring with him. He forced a lot of impressive stoppages early in his career. He erased the Castillo question mark convincingly enough as well in the rematch, so his willingness to correct te gaps in his record couldn't be argued with. I hope that clears it up a little!

Thanks for clearing that up, I agree with this.

De La Hoya's performance was alright, but again that was mainly down to Floyd coasting through the whole fight. No-one can tell me that both guys put in a full-blooded effort to win the fight convincingly, that's why I don't take the world title involved seriously.

And yeah I think we argued for about 5 days about the Baldomir saga, it was a proper marathon!! 

I felt that De La Hoya looked very motivated and never stopped trying to win the fight, Floyd may have coasted but I'm certain Oscar didn't. To me this was an impressive accomplishment for Mayweather, to defeat a still very good version of De La Hoya, two weight divisions above his most natural category, without upping the gears is quite an achievement.

[Gaz]

Thanks for clearing that up, I agree with this.

I felt that De La Hoya looked very motivated and never stopped trying to win the fight, Floyd may have coasted but I'm certain Oscar didn't. To me this was an impressive accomplishment for Mayweather, to defeat a still very good version of De La Hoya, two weight divisions above his most natural category, without upping the gears is quite an achievement.

Well he certainly didn't stay in his shell, but I thought he was pretty care-free and relaxed during the fight, rather than intensely focused and motivated to win, probably due to the sizeable packet he would make from the fight, win or lose.

[TheOutlaw]

I agree for the most part, Mayweather will never touch top 5 and is currently around top 50, top 10 is a possibility if he really picks up the pace, but that's a big if.

Seroiusly? Floyd is currently around your top 50?

I'd love to hear the other 49 

A 5 weight world champ who is currently unbeaten and about to add a few more wins to his record IF he stays active for a few more fights after the JMM bout. The guy is technically perfect in the ring, ok i admit he may not have faced arguably the best at the time 140lb+ but his record speaks for it's self.

His personality is the only stumbling block, if he was as likeable out of the ring as Hatton, Oscar, Manny etc then i'm sure he would be regared as one of the modern day greats. People cant seem to see past his persona, IMO he is the best boxer since the turn of the millenium without a doubt.

Beating JMM, followed by the winner of Pac v Cotto and then maybe one more fight will in my eyes put him up there as the best fighter of my generation.

[SCOTTY'S SOBER]

why all the hate ? maybe cause he aint fought one fighter the fans wanted to see him fight since he claimed himself p4p...big time case of scared of cracking the crown.

[Haynesey]

Seroiusly? Floyd is currently around your top 50?

I'd love to hear the other 49 

A 5 weight world champ who is currently unbeaten and about to add a few more wins to his record IF he stays active for a few more fights after the JMM bout. The guy is technically perfect in the ring, ok i admit he may not have faced arguably the best at the time 140lb+ but his record speaks for it's self.

His personality is the only stumbling block, if he was as likeable out of the ring as Hatton, Oscar, Manny etc then i'm sure he would be regared as one of the modern day greats. People cant seem to see past his persona, IMO he is the best boxer since the turn of the millenium without a doubt.

Beating JMM, followed by the winner of Pac v Cotto and then maybe one more fight will in my eyes put him up there as the best fighter of my generation.

I'm no historian, so this is just an estimate, there have been a lot of great fighters that have come before, and, although Mayweather may be more talented, his achievements (as excellent as they are by todays standards) do not yet match up in my opinion. If he does proceed to defeat Pacquiao, Cotto, and Shane, these extra A-level opponenets on his resume would rise his standing considerably.

[Haynesey]

why all the hate ? maybe cause he aint fought one fighter the fans wanted to see him fight since he claimed himself p4p...big time case of scared of cracking the crown.

Who should he have been fighting?