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« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2009, 12:02:15 PM »

I find it pretty amazing people bang on about Floyd's resume since the Gatti fight. He earned the right to fight Baldomir and he took the fight after another fighter who we all know well decided it wasn't financially right for himself.
Floyd took on Baldomir who was a much bigger Guy and weighed close to 15 ibs heavier than him and picked him off with ease. He then took on the best LMW part time or not in ODLH and won a fight where all the terms and conditions were against him. What was Floyd supposed to do fight Alcine, Spinks or Vernon Forrest instead of Oscar or maybe go to Germany and fight Dizindruik. We all know Oscar was the best fight for him in terms of the challange and finanicial reward. I just don't see why he is slated for taking the fight and winning and then fighting Hatton who as far as I remember was the bigger threat to him than Cotto or Margarito.
Bob Arum as never linked Cotto with Mayweather because he as concentrated on building the Guy's career and as always brought him in to big fights when its suited Arum. The fight with Margarito was always his main target because they were both hispanic, both under TR and it was a huge rivalry Mexico vs Puerto Rico.
A fight with Ricky was made at the best possible time because Ricky showed how good he was against JLC who had fought Mayweather twice and gave him tough fights. Ricky had to go back up in weight but they were both the same build roughly and its not as though Ricky was unproven at WW because he was a former WW world champion. I don't see why Mayweather should be questioned because he fought Hatton because it was more than a meaningful fight for him.
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« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2009, 12:30:47 PM »

I find it pretty amazing people bang on about Floyd's resume since the Gatti fight. He earned the right to fight Baldomir and he took the fight after another fighter who we all know well decided it wasn't financially right for himself.
Floyd took on Baldomir who was a much bigger Guy and weighed close to 15 ibs heavier than him and picked him off with ease. He then took on the best LMW part time or not in ODLH and won a fight where all the terms and conditions were against him. What was Floyd supposed to do fight Alcine, Spinks or Vernon Forrest instead of Oscar or maybe go to Germany and fight Dizindruik. We all know Oscar was the best fight for him in terms of the challange and finanicial reward. I just don't see why he is slated for taking the fight and winning and then fighting Hatton who as far as I remember was the bigger threat to him than Cotto or Margarito.
Bob Arum as never linked Cotto with Mayweather because he as concentrated on building the Guy's career and as always brought him in to big fights when its suited Arum. The fight with Margarito was always his main target because they were both hispanic, both under TR and it was a huge rivalry Mexico vs Puerto Rico.
A fight with Ricky was made at the best possible time because Ricky showed how good he was against JLC who had fought Mayweather twice and gave him tough fights. Ricky had to go back up in weight but they were both the same build roughly and its not as though Ricky was unproven at WW because he was a former WW world champion. I don't see why Mayweather should be questioned because he fought Hatton because it was more than a meaningful fight for him.

Baldomir's size advantage was levelled out by the fact that he was as slow and clueless as can be. That fight was far easier than a Margarito fight would have been because at least Margarito puts you under intense pressure from start to finish. Baldy gave up from round 4 because he knew he didn't belong in the same ring as Floyd.
I don't object to Floyd's win over Oscar, I object to it being called a genuine world title fight and for Mayweather to be regarded as a light-middleweight champion just for beating a part-timer on borrowed time. It was puely a glamour money match, and if everything was against Mayweather, then he must have been gutted about being allowed to ac like an arsehole in all the pressers, the fight in the arena he loves the most in a fight that he was never going to lose.
As for Hatton, how on earth did he prove himself a WW? One fight against a supposed B-level fighter in which he struggled chronically with? Especially as he had 5 weeks to get back up to 147 after preparing for Lazcao before he got injured.
There are circumstances that determine Floyd's resume beyond 140lb as incomplete.
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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2009, 12:31:30 PM »

I find it pretty amazing people bang on about Floyd's resume since the Gatti fight. He earned the right to fight Baldomir and he took the fight after another fighter who we all know well decided it wasn't financially right for himself.
Floyd took on Baldomir who was a much bigger Guy and weighed close to 15 ibs heavier than him and picked him off with ease. He then took on the best LMW part time or not in ODLH and won a fight where all the terms and conditions were against him. What was Floyd supposed to do fight Alcine, Spinks or Vernon Forrest instead of Oscar or maybe go to Germany and fight Dizindruik. We all know Oscar was the best fight for him in terms of the challange and finanicial reward. I just don't see why he is slated for taking the fight and winning and then fighting Hatton who as far as I remember was the bigger threat to him than Cotto or Margarito.
Bob Arum as never linked Cotto with Mayweather because he as concentrated on building the Guy's career and as always brought him in to big fights when its suited Arum. The fight with Margarito was always his main target because they were both hispanic, both under TR and it was a huge rivalry Mexico vs Puerto Rico.
A fight with Ricky was made at the best possible time because Ricky showed how good he was against JLC who had fought Mayweather twice and gave him tough fights. Ricky had to go back up in weight but they were both the same build roughly and its not as though Ricky was unproven at WW because he was a former WW world champion. I don't see why Mayweather should be questioned because he fought Hatton because it was more than a meaningful fight for him.

The Hatton fight was made for the money. The americans knew the fanbase Hatton brings with him so they knew they could make a TON of money. Plus, with Hatton looking terrible against Collazo and not being suited to the weight, most of the conditions were in Floyd's favour.

Floyd's team saw all this.

They tried to make Hatton look like he wa a formmidable opponent by fighting him so soon after his destruction of a past it Castillo.

Hatton regarded a bigger threat? By who? The Hatton fans maybe. But that's all. The Americans knew Floyd would win.

Baldomir was a dinosaur. Slow. The extra weight on Baldomir done Floyd even more favours as it would slow Baldomir down even more. I remember giving Floyd credit at the time for taking this fight because it was for the true Welter championship but I'm playing revisionsist historian here and will say that in hindsight, it was just another smart move by Floyd.

That was a fight where even Winky Wright got up and walked away from!

If that WBC belt were held by Cotto or Margarito, he wouldn't have fought for it.

People are dissing Floyd because of the fact he hasn't fought the Cotto's, Mosley's and Margarito's of the world.

It's those names that would solidify Floyd's legacy.

In 20 years time Floyd's greatness at Lightweight should not get him a free pass into the top 20 or 10 of all time because that's just not right!





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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2009, 03:09:37 PM »

Who should he have been fighting?
cotto , mosley , margarito.
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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2009, 03:17:43 PM »

cotto , mosley , margarito.

When should he have fought each of them? Wink
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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2009, 03:21:51 PM »

When should he have fought them? Wink

Just a guess but at any point during the last 18-20 months that he has been in hiberation. He calls himself the cash cow so why wouldn't any of those guys chased a fight with him?
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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2009, 03:25:16 PM »

Just a guess but at any point during the last 18-20 months that he has been in hiberation. He calls himself the cash cow so why wouldn't any of those guys chased a fight with him?

Mayweather has been inactive for the past 20 months and so lost his p4p status, my question applies to PunchDrunk's comment on Floyd protecting his crown.
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« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2009, 03:26:49 PM »

Mayweather has been inactive for the past 20 months and so lost his p4p status, my question applies to PunchDrunk's comment on Floyd protecting his crown.

I know, I was just adding my 2p.  Wink
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« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2009, 03:30:40 PM »

The Hatton fight was made for the money. The americans knew the fanbase Hatton brings with him so they knew they could make a TON of money. Plus, with Hatton looking terrible against Collazo and not being suited to the weight, most of the conditions were in Floyd's favour.

Floyd's team saw all this.

They tried to make Hatton look like he wa a formmidable opponent by fighting him so soon after his destruction of a past it Castillo.

Hatton regarded a bigger threat? By who? The Hatton fans maybe. But that's all. The Americans knew Floyd would win.

Baldomir was a dinosaur. Slow. The extra weight on Baldomir done Floyd even more favours as it would slow Baldomir down even more. I remember giving Floyd credit at the time for taking this fight because it was for the true Welter championship but I'm playing revisionsist historian here and will say that in hindsight, it was just another smart move by Floyd.

That was a fight where even Winky Wright got up and walked away from!

If that WBC belt were held by Cotto or Margarito, he wouldn't have fought for it.

People are dissing Floyd because of the fact he hasn't fought the Cotto's, Mosley's and Margarito's of the world.

It's those names that would solidify Floyd's legacy.

In 20 years time Floyd's greatness at Lightweight should not get him a free pass into the top 20 or 10 of all time because that's just not right!








floyd was saying that castillo was a shell all the way upto the fight,so to say they was playing on the castillo win being an amazing scalp is crap


now although this guy predicted a mayweather win,,he also predicted hatton would be the toughest oppositon floyd had faced

this is an article off spamsideboxing pre hatton vs mayweather,,,theres many more just like this,,this just bolsters the fact that the boxing game and fans in general are totally fcukin fickle





   


Mayweather Hatton: Why Floyd Will Win

06.12.07 - By Derek Cowan: In September, I wrote an article for eastside boxing titled, "5 Reasons why Hatton can beat Mayweather.” In the article I laid out an argument for Ricky Hatton having a solid chance of beating Floyd Mayweather. I did so mainly because of the enormous amounts of posting on other ESB related articles that gave Hatton almost no chance of a victory..

I found that to be difficult to understand due to the fact that I and others believe that Ricky Hatton is possibly the best pressure fighter in boxing at the moment, and that most believe that maybe the only recipe to beating Mayweather at this point in his career is by applying relentless, intelligent pressure.

I still believe this to be true. More and more posts of late have been pouring in making similar points to mine, and I believe as people have begun to honestly assess this fight, the fighters, and their styles, many have begun to feel this fight may be closer than first anticipated. I still think this fight will be very competitive and close, and by no means feel that the outcome can be comfortably predicted. At the end of that article I explained that I would not be making a final prediction until the week before the fight. Well that time has come and here is why I believe Floyd Mayweather will keep his "0" intact, and while Ricky Hatton will lose for the first time in his career.

First of all, for those who did not read my previous article on this subject, let me reiterate. I am a huge Ricky Hatton fan, and it his career I have been monitoring for about 4 or 5 years now. Of course I have stayed tuned in to other fighters along the way, but this American's allegiance lies with the Englishman from Manchester. With that said, some of Ricky's following might feel betrayed by my prediction of a Mayweather win, but I have always stated that when predicting a fight, I am more concerned with being correct after an unbiased analysis of an upcoming fight, than simply choosing my personal favorite.

Now let me be clear, I do not like Floyd Mayweather personally, as many others have mentioned on this site. He is arrogant, brash, egotistical, self-centered, is always disrespectful of his opponents, and even runs red lights with reckless abandon in his fancy sports cars. But as a boxer he is at the top of the world. In my opinion there are three ingredients that must be present for any fighter to be regarded, or even mentioned seriously when speaking of the greatest fighters of all time.

1) Talent and Skill. Even the nastiest Mayweather detractor must admit that Floyd is immensely talented. He has the speed, reflexes, and pure boxing skill of nearly any all time great that can be mentioned. Anyone denying this attribute must be either an unknowledgeable boxing fan, or simply "too" in love with a Mayweather opponent to be able to make sound judgment on this issue.

2) Quality Resume. This has been the topic of several articles of late, and I happen to agree that Mayweather's resume is not yet worthy of all time greatness. It is good, don't get me wrong, but with this current welter weight division being loaded, it is my opinion that Floyd must line them up and at least attempt to knock them all down prior to retirement before being in the running for greatest of all time.

3) Mental Strength - Now this is the attribute that I want to focus on as to the reason I think Mayweather will be victorious come Saturday night. This particular element of the boxing game is possibly the most important, and the reason many very talented and gifted fighters do not become great is because they lack this piece of the puzzle.

Floyd Mayweather is tops in this part of the game for several reasons. First, he is always in tremendous shape. Over the years I have watched many good fighters never fulfill their potential because they simply refuse to sacrifice enough to stay in quality physical condition. Riddick Bowe is a good example of this. When he showed up in shape and focused, he was very, very good. But he never reached his potential due to always battling his weight and stamina issues. Floyd has always been a gym rat and loves to train, never for even a moment looking as though he did not take every fight seriously.

Second, Mayweather has shown courage and heart in the ring. Does he run sometimes?? Yes, but not nearly as often as many accuse him. He normally goes into that defensive shell while he figures out his opponent, makes the proper adjustments, and then waits for the opportune time to strike. Mayweather can boast of being in some war-like activity. That does not mean that he has forgotten his skill and simply threw punches from the floor in an all out brawl. But, he has had to dig down deep against the likes of Castillo, Chavez, and even N'dou who threw non-stop punches in bunches for about 5 rounds.

In my opinion, Floyd has been tested here, although I do believe the greatest test in this department will come from Hatton. Third, Mayweather always, and I mean always remains poised and focused during a fight. When performing well, he doesn't seem to let it go to his head. When amidst a storm, he doesn't seem to fall apart. He simply keeps to the game plan and executes. The best example of this, and for me the most impressive fight of Mayweather's career was against Zab Judah.

Judah, who happens to be the antithesis of this point, was every bit as talented, athletic, and skilled as Mayweather. For 4 or 5 rounds, I thought Judah had a real chance to beat Floyd. I thought he had won at least 3 of the first 4 rounds, if not all four. He had been robbed of a knockdown when Floyd used his glove to balance himself after a barrage of punches. I think most would agree that Mayweather was behind on the cards at that point, and was being matched as far as speed and action. But in the midst of all that, Floyd kept his composure, continued to analyze Judah, and then began to make the proper adjustments.

On the other hand, Judah also saw this, and suddenly began to look like a fighter who would be more than happy to simply finish the fight. As Mayweather began to open up his arsenal he sensed Judah fading and began to score at will. The tide had turned, and Floyd was in complete control...and that is when all hell broke loose. Judah hit Mayweather with a dirty low blow that obviously hurt Floyd. As Floyd slumped to the ground to recover, Roger Mayweather jumped in to the ring, followed by Yowell Judah, and just about any other person within earshot of the front row it seemed.

A full blown melee was taking over the fight, and if you will remember, the only person on site that remained calm and poised was.....Floyd Mayweather. He stayed cool and calm, while getting over the pain, and simply waited for the Jerry Springer show to subside. Then, like a true business man at the office, Mayweather commenced to the further dismantling of Judah for the rest of the fight. Think about it. The one person that had the right to be truly upset, and beside himself, is Mayweather. But he was aware of what was at hand, and had the wits to continue to use the situation to his advantage.

Now I will admit that I think Hatton will very possibly be the toughest storm in the ring that Mayweather has ever had to handle. But, my mind says that Floyd will be able to weather it. If I thought for a moment that Mayweather would bend under adverse conditions I would pick Ricky to win this fight in a second without losing a minutes sleep.

Unfortunately, Mayweather is one calm, poised, and focused dude. I still think this will be a closely contested bout, and I think Hatton will be game and has a decent shot at the upset, but my money (if I were a betting man) would be on Pretty Boy. Since I won't be wagering a nickel, I will sit back and enjoy this match and pull for Ricky like a madman. . Mayweather by unanimous decision.


hatton was shown alot of respect by the americans,, media and fans alike leading up to the fight
he was being touted as mayweathers toughest test by alot of people,,even the people on here who now basically dismiss anything hatton has ever done,,, all the hate and the nit picking of his record came after he lost,,i mean he neve fought terribly against collazo atall ,,it was a close fight against a very very good welterweight southpaw,who in my oppinion is underrated big time,,every one collazo fights he gives them hell,,, urango is a two weight world champ,,ricky won a pretty wide unaminous decision against him,,as for castillo,its obvious he wasnt at his best but hatton destroyed him,,breaking two ribs in the process
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« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2009, 03:51:02 PM »

For me Floyd Mayweather Jr is the Greatest fighter of the modern era and top 5 of all time. I know people are quick to say since his days at Lightweight he as cherry picked matches but he as gone about his business and made plenty of money.
How many fighters can boast a 39-0 record including being a 5 weight World Champion. His style for me is brilliant and while people scoff at his performance in the Baldomir fight I thought skill wise it was about as perfect Boxing as what you will ever see. He showed in the Corrales fight how quick he was against naturally bigger Guys and even against Brawlers like Gatti and Hatton he showed he could beat them at there own game and knocked the pair of them out. I would love to see him fight a WW in the calibre of Cotto, Margarito or Mosley but lets be honest here working with Arum is a major sore point with him because he owes him money and its hardly surprising with his success in 2 major PPV's he would want to line that man's pockets.
I'm glad Floyd is back Boxing needs him because he is a major attraction in the sport and what we are seeing now should be savoured because once he does hang them up Boxing will be at a loss with out him.

Agree with Tito once again.

Floyd is the best around and i'd back him to beat Pacquiao conclusively. The toughest fight out there for him is Paul Williams at 147 or 154 because of his sheer physical attributes combined with great skills, but other than that I see Mayweather easily beating everybody at 140, 147 and 154.
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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2009, 04:06:02 PM »

Hiya Tito, some great posts, you obviously have a great knowledge of boxing.  I would just like to ask your opinion of the first Mayweather vs Castillo fight, do you think Mayweather genuinely won that fight? 
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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2009, 04:21:33 PM »

Hiya Tito, some great posts, you obviously have a great knowledge of boxing.  I would just like to ask your opinion of the first Mayweather vs Castillo fight, do you think Mayweather genuinely won that fight? 

Firstly thanks for your comments  Smiley
Secondly the outcome of the fight is hugely debatable and I have only seen the fight a few times and each time I can see why Mayweather nicked it and there again I can see why people feel JLC was denied the win. Mayweather won the early rounds and JLC won the later rounds but I never thought Mayweather won by a margin of 116-111 or 115-111. If you look at the stats Castillo was busier, more accurate and had better success in power punches and total punches but it was mostly in the later rounds when he was trying to get back in to the fight. I think the rematch finally proved that Mayweather rightly or wrongly was the better fighter.
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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2009, 04:26:56 PM »

Most people hate on the person, not the boxer. When he goaded Ray Leonard years ago and started saying Leonard would'nt have lived with him, that kinda took the biscuit.

I couldnt see Floyd knocking out a Welterweight Hearns or going toe to toe with Duran. But the bottom line is Floyd is a great. And he belongs to be mentioned among the greats.
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