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« on: July 12, 2009, 02:03:53 PM »

By Michael Herron

After a mediocre spring that saw several high profile fights cancelled and/or rescheduled as a result of injuries, boxing looks to get back on track in the autumn of 2009. As of this moment however, the only major fight currently scheduled is a September 19th clash of pound-for-pound staples Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez. Other match-ups being discussed are David Haye vs. Vitali Klitschko, which could hopefully bring excitement to the heavyweight division and most intriguing of all is a highly anticipated match between the current pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao and WBO welterweight titlist Miguel Cotto.

Negotiations involving Pacquiao-Cotto have been well documented and many boxing sites and sporting authorities have covered the story. Even as I write, the fight becoming a reality can be but a signature away. Though boxing fans are clamoring for this fight, it is my hope that patience and logic will intervene before any deal is reached. Pacquiao-Cotto looks great on paper and the thought of these two going at each other sounds like great fun, but it is this writer’s opinion that it is the right fight but at the wrong time.

When discussing the boxing business, it is always important to think in terms of risk vs. reward. It is not simply the fighters who are bound by this rule but also promoters and when it comes to Pacquiao-Cotto, Bob Arum and Top Rank are in a win-win situation. Both fighters are with Top Rank and Arum would be in total control of the promotion and revenue.  Simply put, it is a promoters dream. It is no wonder why he is pushing hard to make the fight happen. On the other hand, Pacquiao and Cotto stand to benefit financially from this bout but in terms of their immediate future, it is a dubious situation.  With the return of Floyd Mayweather, Jr., the self-proclaimed best fighter in the world, attention in the sport will soon shift from the heroics of Pacquiao to the greed, selfishness and infamy of Mayweather. If he produces an impressive performance against Marquez, the boxing world will clamor for him to face a bigger, tougher challenge; a challenge from the likes of Pacquiao and/or Cotto perhaps.

Herein lies the problem, Mayweather, who is renowned for making what he terms smart decisions will face Marquez, an opponent that will allow him to overcome rust, tune his skills, and maybe even look good while doing it. For Floyd, it is precisely the right fight at the right time. Other benefits include a nice payday, reclaiming a respectable position on the mythical pound-for-pound list, and putting himself in position for an often discussed mega-fight with Manny Pacquiao.  The question then becomes, why would Pacquiao and Cotto want to fight each other in light of the return of Mayweather? One possible answer is that Pacquiao and Cotto are warriors and warriors look to make the best fights, therefore no need to wait around for Mayweather.  Yet after September 19th there will be no need to wait, Mayweather, if successful against Marquez, will look to make a mega-fight in his next bout, the question is with whom. If Pacquiao and Cotto decide to face each other, they may be effectively taking themselves out the picture.

Pacquiao-Cotto, if the match should take place, is expected to be a tough and physically grueling affair. Cotto, in particular, has taken a lot of punishment the past few years from top opponents like Antonio Margarito, Joshua Clottey, and Shane Mosley.  Facing Pacquiao will not only drain him in terms of the 145 lb. weight limit, but is certain to once again test his threshold for pain. Pacquiao, though he has been untouchable against Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya and David Diaz, has shown to struggle and take a lot of punishment when faced with fast thinking opponents like Juan Manuel Marquez and Erik Morales. Based on their fighting styles, these guys may inflict so much damage to each other that neither will be physically ready or even worse, taken seriously as Mayweather’s next opponent. Whether you are a fan or foe, one thing that many writers and aficionados can agree on is that a fighter must be on their A game and seemingly in the best shape of their life to defeat or even have a chance against Mayweather.

While Mayweather is likely to come out pristine against a great but possibly overmatched opponent in Marquez, Cotto and Pacquiao may end their night as damaged goods. Essentially by accepting this fight, Cotto and Pacquiao are making it easier for Mayweather to defeat them if they indeed go on to face him in the future.  Though Top Rank would scoff at the idea of Pacquiao-Cotto not happening considering the revenue it would generate, it is my opinion that it may be best to allow them to face different opponents in the Fall; opponents that will make them look good, keep them in the Mayweather PPV picture, and likewise keep the potential for a matchup between themselves alive as well. Though Pacquiao and Cotto are huge draws on their own accord they each would stand to make more money from a PPV with Mayweather.  It would also benefit Top Rank to match subsequent fighters from their stable against Floyd. Most of all, fans have clamored to see Mayweather face off against the likes of Pacquiao and Cotto, it can now happen. The only thing preventing it, ironically, is Pacquiao vs. Cotto.

Final Note:  My view of Pacquiao-Cotto, though pessimistic, is based on my belief that Pacquiao and Cotto will be a tough and damaging fight for both men.  If Pacquiao should lose, his claim as the best pound-for-pound evaporates and therefore leaves a battle for pound-for-pound supremacy against Mayweather in shambles. The fight could go on but will lose its luster.  If Cotto should lose, he likely loses his chance to fight Mayweather period. Then of course a scenario where one man dominates, such as Pacquiao’s most recent performance over Ricky Hatton, is also possible, yet unlikely.  Though it appears the tone of this piece favors Mayweather, I simply recognize that Mayweather-Pacquiao and Mayweather-Cotto are two of the biggest fight that can be made in the sport.  Why Pacquiao-Cotto should serve as a prelude is unprecedented; it truly may be the match that kills two birds with one stone.
http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=17983

Thats a good read and does provide some good arguements imo, with these two facing each other they are taking another great fight out of the picture.
Lets face it we would all love to see even the lose of Pac/Cotto face Mayweather but that will never happen.
Whats your thoughts guys?



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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2009, 02:11:55 PM »

Cotto-Pacquiao is a fight I really want to see so I'm not remotely arsed that any Floyd-Pac fight has to be shelved for this to take place. This will be a ferocious war for as long as it lasts and would be a far greater fight than Floyd-Pac. This is a great fight on its own so it shouldn't be lamented that Mayweather will have to wait for the fight he wants after this. Who else would Mayeather want to fight anyway? He doesn't have a choice but to wait for the outcome of Pac-Cotto so how can hat be a bad thing? Boxing doesn't stand still for Floyd Mayweather.
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2009, 02:18:06 PM »

Cotto-Pacquiao is a fight I really want to see so I'm not remotely arsed that any Floyd-Pac fight has to be shelved for this to take place. This will be a ferocious war for as long as it lasts and would be a far greater fight than Floyd-Pac. This is a great fight on its own so it shouldn't be lamented that Mayweather will have to wait for the fight he wants after this. Who else would Mayeather want to fight anyway? He doesn't have a choice but to wait for the outcome of Pac-Cotto so how can hat be a bad thing? Boxing doesn't stand still for Floyd Mayweather.

He could fight Mosley which granted would not be as big but would make some nice money for him, in all honesty mate everyone in and around the light welter or welter division now are fighting for the chance to fight Floyd Mayweather again.
So although boxing does not stand still for him, to a degree it certainly revolves around him.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2009, 02:21:41 PM »

He could fight Mosley which granted would not be as big but would make some nice money for him, in all honesty mate everyone in and around the light welter or welter division now are fighting for the chance to fight Floyd Mayweather again.
So although boxing does not stand still for him, to a degree it certainly revolves around him.

I didn't think Mayweather was interested in fighting Mosley.

Maybe he has a say to a degree but there is no way that maega-fights like Cotto-Pacquiao should be shelved just to accommodate him. Pac-Cotto would be a beast of a fight and that's what people want to see, great fights not fights that make great figures. I'm not naive though and I know that money talks in boxing, but my own personal preference is for Pacquiao to fight Cotto any day of the week over Mayweather. I'm not impressed with how Mayweather thinks he can just stroll back into a sport he said he was bored with, and immediately command the biggest fights. It would do him no harm to be kept in line.
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2009, 02:28:14 PM »

I didn't think Mayweather was interested in fighting Mosley.

Maybe he has a say to a degree but there is no way that maega-fights like Cotto-Pacquiao should be shelved just to accommodate him. Pac-Cotto would be a beast of a fight and that's what people want to see, great fights not fights that make great figures. I'm not naive though and I know that money talks in boxing, but my own personal preference is for Pacquiao to fight Cotto any day of the week over Mayweather. I'm not impressed with how Mayweather thinks he can just stroll back into a sport he said he was bored with, and immediately command the biggest fights. It would do him no harm to be kept in line.

But it would do boxing harm i feel mate, am not saying Pac/Cotto should not happen because it most certainly should but would it be any less of a fight after both had fought Mayweather to establish who the number one is.
What is better to have Pac/Mayweather + Cotto/Mayweather and then Pac/Cotto or to just have Cotto/Pac and the winner fight Floyd? There is no doubting that the loser of this fight has no chance of ever fighting Floyd so thats why maybe it should just wait.
I  dont see the logic in any sense to risk three great fights for two myself but then again i would also like yourself love to see Cotto/Pac asap so is it a win/win for us fans or a no win?
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2009, 02:28:38 PM »

I would prefer to see a Mayweather-Pacquiao bout in place of this, for me it is far more intriguing and the more meaningful fight. If a Mayweather bout is on the agenda for Pacquiao, Cotto is poor preparation, throughout his entire career Manny has in general seen only one style, a style very dissimilar to Mayweather's, and yet he is making no attempts to adjust this.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2009, 02:30:59 PM »

I would prefer to see a Mayweather-Pacquiao bout in place of this, for me it is far more intriguing and the more meaningful fight. If a Mayweather bout is on the agenda for Pacquiao, Cotto is poor preparation, throughout his entire career Manny has in general seen only one style, a style very dissimilar to Mayweather's, and yet he is making no attempts to adjust this.

Marquez would probably be the closest he has seen would it? Maybe a fight with Guzman though not a huge money spinner would be nice preparation but as Guzman is trained by Floyd Snr that might make it somewhat of a bad choice.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2009, 02:35:38 PM »

I didn't think Mayweather was interested in fighting Mosley.

He has been before, but Mosley turned him down both times, with Pacquiao and Cotto tied up this may be the path Floyd chooses to take.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2009, 02:38:23 PM »

Cotto-Pacquiao is a fight I really want to see so I'm not remotely arsed that any Floyd-Pac fight has to be shelved for this to take place. This will be a ferocious war for as long as it lasts and would be a far greater fight than Floyd-Pac. This is a great fight on its own so it shouldn't be lamented that Mayweather will have to wait for the fight he wants after this. Who else would Mayeather want to fight anyway? He doesn't have a choice but to wait for the outcome of Pac-Cotto so how can hat be a bad thing? Boxing doesn't stand still for Floyd Mayweather.

So true Gaz I.Q

I believe them intentions to, that's 100% correct in my eyes.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2009, 02:41:43 PM »

Marquez would probably be the closest he has seen would it? Maybe a fight with Guzman though not a huge money spinner would be nice preparation but as Guzman is trained by Floyd Snr that might make it somewhat of a bad choice.

I would say that Marquez is the closest stylewise, but even then he is very different to a Mayweather type. Guzman would be excellent preparation, the best out there, and I was under the impression that he left Mayweather Sr following the weight issues last September.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2009, 02:46:48 PM »

I would say that Marquez is the closest stylewise, but even then he is very different to a Mayweather type. Guzman would be excellent preparation, the best out there, and I was under the impression that he left Mayweather Sr following the weight issues last September.

He might of done mate i remeber his weight issues but did not hear anything about that, Guzman would be in with a fair chance of doing damage the Manny if they fought from what i have seen.
To much risk with to little reward though when your on the brink of a superfight.
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2009, 08:39:16 PM »

But it would do boxing harm i feel mate, am not saying Pac/Cotto should not happen because it most certainly should but would it be any less of a fight after both had fought Mayweather to establish who the number one is.
What is better to have Pac/Mayweather + Cotto/Mayweather and then Pac/Cotto or to just have Cotto/Pac and the winner fight Floyd? There is no doubting that the loser of this fight has no chance of ever fighting Floyd so thats why maybe it should just wait.
I  dont see the logic in any sense to risk three great fights for two myself but then again i would also like yourself love to see Cotto/Pac asap so is it a win/win for us fans or a no win?

I kind of understand what you're saying but I just don't see Mayweather against either of them being great fights. Mayweather needs those fights more than boxing needs them. If Pacquiao lost to Cotto then he would probably be left with a 3rd match, which I think a lot of people would like to see, especially from Marquez' perspective seeing as he probably feels, not totally without justification, that he has been robbed of a decision in either of the first two fights with Pac. Cotto on the other hand will more than likely be left with the rematch with Margarito, again a fight that people will want to see to see how Cotto would fare against a plasterless Margarito, and I bet a lot of people would like to see Coto avenge that 'loss'.
I appreciate the fanciful notion that Pacquiao-Mayweather would be the first straightforward P4P shoot-out that we have had in a long, long time; in fact which was the last fight that could possibly have fit into that category? When did the 2 best p4pers last fight each other? I understand that, but I think Mayweather would probably suffer more than boxing itself should that fight not happen. Mayweather could easily have resolved the issues with his legacy by not arsing about wih Wrestlemania and not retiring. All this unfinished business could have been dealt wit in the last 2 years but he chose to turn his back on that because he was bored. Whilst it is nice that he is now ready to add the names to his record, he really isn't the be all and end all of boxing.
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2009, 08:44:30 PM »

I kind of understand what you're saying but I just don't see Mayweather against either of them being great fights. Mayweather needs those fights more than boxing needs them. If Pacquiao lost to Cotto then he would probably be left with a 3rd match, which I think a lot of people would like to see, especially from Marquez' perspective seeing as he probably feels, not totally without justification, that he has been robbed of a decision in either of the first two fights with Pac. Cotto on the other hand will more than likely be left with the rematch with Margarito, again a fight that people will want to see to see how Cotto would fare against a plasterless Margarito, and I bet a lot of people would like to see Coto avenge that 'loss'.
I appreciate the fanciful notion that Pacquiao-Mayweather would be the first straightforward P4P shoot-out that we have had in a long, long time; in fact which was the last fight that could possibly have fit into that category? When did the 2 best p4pers last fight each other? I understand that, but I think Mayweather would probably suffer more than boxing itself should that fight not happen. Mayweather could easily have resolved the issues with his legacy by not arsing about wih Wrestlemania and not retiring. All this unfinished business could have been dealt wit in the last 2 years but he chose to turn his back on that because he was bored. Whilst it is nice that he is now ready to add the names to his record, he really isn't the be all and end all of boxing.

Fair enough mate, i guess its a brilliant situation overall for boxing as a whole at the end of the day which for everyone is a good thing.

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2009, 08:56:29 PM »

The hell with Floyd - let him wait. I've defended the guy plenty on here, but Cotto DESERVES this big fight. He's earned it the hard way by fighting one tough guy after another while Floyd played the will he / won't he retirement game.

Let the active and willing warriors have their fight and let Floyd get in line. Plus, you have  a magnificent fighter in Mosley forced off to the sidelines during all of this. He deserves a shot before Floyd, too.
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2009, 12:33:32 PM »

This is Cotto's turn to get a payday and score a famous Victory.
Lets not forget that when PBF retired Cotto was closing in on a fight against Delahoya and potential P4P title.
The equation was,he had to get passed Margarito and then his coming out party would happen.But Margacheato Loaded his Gloves and robbed Cotto that opportunity to Grab the Coming out Party fight.
Since Cotto lost,Pacman was chosed as a replacement to fight Delahoya and Pacman seizes on that Opportunity and became a Superstar.
Now Cotto has a chance to fight the guy who replaced him last December and beating him will make Cotto a Superstar.
So I hope he wins and that will be poetic Justice for him.If he wins he should go for Mayweather and forget about rematching Margacheato.That fight has little reward for Cotto so he can pass it for now.
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