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« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2011, 03:59:00 PM »

Martinez was just wayyyy to fast with that jab and he is just so awkward. Sergy is a very good fighter though and did things pretty well right as far as I could see, but he's a 154 lb fighter and though boxing skill is supposed to mean weight doesn't matter as much, when you have a guy with Martinez's speed you are going to have a hard time... he keeps his arms down (which is stupid IMO) which makes the punches harder to see coming and he moves so weird that he is able to avoid really getting hit flush. He won't be able to do that long, as his reflexes will slow just enough for him to get caught, but for right now, fight a few more top guys, try to get impressive wins and maybe you get that top p4p spot, maybe not, BUT you will go down as a great great JR MW/MW fighter.
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« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2011, 06:51:33 PM »

cotto did not show me what I hoped for but of course that was entertaining stuff to watch
I liked that he used his jab to such effect. Here he has continued his improvement shown against Foreman.
For me he did not move enough on his feet and engaged in dangerous toe to toe battles with a bigger stronger opponent. Here, he regressed from what he did against Foremann, whose mobility he therefore merely reacted to rather than making footmovement part of his own repartoir.
He moved his body very well at several occasions to avoid Mayorga's punches. While it would help him against a Cheato, it would not save him from being demolished by the Phillipino.
He took several punches and combos very well from his considerably bigger, stronger and wild swinging opponent. Well done in this department. Although I am unsure if it was necessary. But then, in a 12 rounder one does get hit. And Cotto showed last night that while a leopard can change its spots... it can do so only to some extent.
While Mayorga ate his punches for several rounds, Cotto did floor him in the end. Personally, I think the thing with the thumb was supreme acting. Mayorga was finished but able to firmly shake hands afterwards with the 'injured' hand.
Bottomline is that this Cotto stands a good chance in a rematch against Margarito BUT he will have to move more and that on his backfoot.
Against the Phillipino, last night's Cotto would lose again. His movement would not be enough to protect him over 12 rounds. His jab would defo help him. So would his tighter defence. He would lose but in much better manner than the last time.

Foreman left boxing last night, imo. While Mayorga's exit has a questionmark, Foreman's was that of a loser. He gave up. It was clear that his knee injury and operation had effected his game too much. His strenght used to be his movement and that was taken from him. I don't mean to cheapen that Polish guys accomplishment. It is silly to compare last night's Foreman with the one that got beat by Cotto.
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« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2011, 07:25:03 PM »

I think Cotto's stamina looked alot better in this fight, he has sometimes looked a little tired late on in fights but last night he was going as good at the end as he was at any other point in the fight.

Cant wait for the scumbag rematch.
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« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2011, 07:32:00 PM »

I think Cotto's stamina looked alot better in this fight, he has sometimes looked a little tired late on in fights but last night he was going as good at the end as he was at any other point in the fight.

Cant wait for the scumbag rematch.

Yes, agreed. Completely forgot that. He gave a very good account of himself in his two last fights and, I  believe, knows now where his limits are and what he can do. He'll outbox and outpoint Cheato but it will be tough for him coz of the style.
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« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2011, 07:39:23 PM »

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Margarito next for Cotto?




Cotto's mask of vengeance
Margarito next: Another bad blood battle for calm, cool Cotto likely for July

Story and photos by Chris Cozzone

If there’s ever been a stare colder than the one given Ricardo Mayorga at the many pre-fight events this last week, it was the one given Antonio Margarito by Miguel Cotto at last night’s post-fight press conference.

After making Mayorga eat his words in a near-distance fight, last night at the MGM Grand, forcing the profanity-spewing Nicaraguan into, both, a 12th round and career retirement, Cotto is likely to go into a July rematch with the man who may or not have beaten him down with wraps of stone in 2008.

Cotto was given but a few moments to enjoy his victory and answer a question or two about the Mayorga fight, when his promoter, Bob Arum, interrupted a short-lived bask of glory to announce Margarito, who just “happened” to be in the press room.



“Let’s bring him up,” said Arum. Margarito approached the podium and offered his hand to Cotto, who turned away after a glare that, by comparison, made his stares at Mayorga appear almost affectionate.

“I came to enjoy the fight,” Margarito explained his “coincidental” appearance in Vegas. “But if the opportunity comes up to fight Cotto, that’s what I’m here for.”

“We have to negotiate details,” Arum said, at first, following up by announcing a likely July date in either New Jersey or Las Vegas.

As usual, Cotto was stone-faced, telling the press that he was open to the rematch.

“It’s not up to me,” he said. “That’s why I have a promoter. I follow what he decides.”

Mayorga’s promoter, Don King, bellowed with laughter when Arum called for Margarito to crash Cotto’s victory party.

“He just ‘happened’ to have Margarito here,” King chuckled loudly. “Understandably so . . . I don’t want to disrupt Bob’s plans, but let’s bring back boxing – I got someone who will take on everybody and anyone . . . .”



With Mayorga out of the picture, King made a half-hearted attempt to throw out a title unification between Cotto and his fighter, IBF 154-pound beltholder Cornelius “K9” Bundrage, who was seen in the press room before first bell handing out promotional flyers and calling out fellow champs in his division.

When Arum – and the rest of the media – made a collective who-cares shrug, or its equivalent, King backed off, explaining how Mayorga had dislocated his thumb and would not be joining the presser.

Cotto had barely touched on his victory over Mayorga before Margarito showed up, but summed it all up with his opening statement:

“The fight was amazing and the ending was beautiful.”

Cotto said he was in control for the fight’s duration, but gave Mayorga his props for his durability.

“It was a tough fight but we knew he was going to be durable,” said Cotto. “I knew he was going to take a lot of punches but I guess he felt he couldn’t continue.”

Cotto said he was never hurt, though enduring endless rabbit punches by the free-swinging Nicaraguan.

“He hit me with hard punches, but I was always on my feet,” said Cotto. “The whole fight was perfect.”

Trainer Emanuel Steward also expressed his satisfaction.

“Mayorga was much, much tougher and more conditioned than I imagined,” he said. “But Miguel operated behind the jab and never did get into the mind games. The last round, I told him to go forward – Mayorga was giving him problems when he was backing up.”

In a rematch with Margarito, Steward said, “It will be a tough fight but Miguel has to fight an intelligent fight and force Margarito to back up.”

Wolak, Vazquez, Zbikowski



Yuri Foreman, who quit on his stool after a six-round battering was a no-show at the presser, but his conqueror, contender Pawel Wolak, despite his swollen mug, was all grins.

“The plan was to get in on him and hit him everywhere – the head, the arms, the body,” said Wolak. “This is how I fight. I just attack. There’s really nothing pretty about me. I’m going to eventually get to you – it’s only a matter of time.”

. . . .



IBF lightweight champion Miguel Vazquez, mistakenly introduced as “Miguel Valdez” had about two seconds at the podium before he was whisked away, Cotto making his entrance.

Vazquez had no opportunity to talk about his victory over Lenny Zappavigna, but said he hoped he would be given the opportunity to fight the likes of Humberto Soto, Brandon Rios and Juan Manuel Marquez.

. . . .

Baltimore Ravens safety Tommy Zbikowski, who KO’d Richard Bryant in less than a round, told the media, “With the football strike, looks like I’m going to be a full-time boxer.”

Comparing the two sports, “Tommy Z” said, “Football is fun to play, but there’s nothing like fight night.”

Zbikowski will fight again on March 26 in Atlantic City.
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« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2011, 09:19:46 PM »

cotto did not show me what I hoped for but of course that was entertaining stuff to watch
I liked that he used his jab to such effect. Here he has continued his improvement shown against Foreman.
For me he did not move enough on his feet and engaged in dangerous toe to toe battles with a bigger stronger opponent. Here, he regressed from what he did against Foremann, whose mobility he therefore merely reacted to rather than making footmovement part of his own repartoir.
He moved his body very well at several occasions to avoid Mayorga's punches. While it would help him against a Cheato, it would not save him from being demolished by the Phillipino.
He took several punches and combos very well from his considerably bigger, stronger and wild swinging opponent. Well done in this department. Although I am unsure if it was necessary. But then, in a 12 rounder one does get hit. And Cotto showed last night that while a leopard can change its spots... it can do so only to some extent.
While Mayorga ate his punches for several rounds, Cotto did floor him in the end. Personally, I think the thing with the thumb was supreme acting. Mayorga was finished but able to firmly shake hands afterwards with the 'injured' hand.
Bottomline is that this Cotto stands a good chance in a rematch against Margarito BUT he will have to move more and that on his backfoot.
Against the Phillipino, last night's Cotto would lose again. His movement would not be enough to protect him over 12 rounds. His jab would defo help him. So would his tighter defence. He would lose but in much better manner than the last time.

Foreman left boxing last night, imo. While Mayorga's exit has a questionmark, Foreman's was that of a loser. He gave up. It was clear that his knee injury and operation had effected his game too much. His strenght used to be his movement and that was taken from him. I don't mean to cheapen that Polish guys accomplishment. It is silly to compare last night's Foreman with the one that got beat by Cotto.

so basically what i was saying to you the other day  Wink
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« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2011, 10:00:30 PM »

so basically what i was saying to you the other day  Wink

several things were said; I guess you refer to something like Cotto won't change? Or is it rather that Manny would defeat him in a rematch?

thing is, if Cotto defeats Cheato, which I think is possible, and then somebody better than Cheato at welter, I think Cotto could next give Manny a good fight... but I would not put my money on Cotto

I hope that satisfies you?  Wink
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« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2011, 10:45:10 PM »

several things were said; I guess you refer to something like Cotto won't change? Or is it rather that Manny would defeat him in a rematch?

thing is, if Cotto defeats Cheato, which I think is possible, and then somebody better than Cheato at welter, I think Cotto could next give Manny a good fight... but I would not put my money on Cotto

I hope that satisfies you?  Wink
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« Reply #68 on: March 14, 2011, 09:08:24 AM »

Strange antics by Mayorga but what a left hook by Cotto to drop him. Couldn't really see what happened to Mayorga's hand in there, slightly bizarre ending.

We just witnessed Mayorga pulling off a "Direll"... He robbed Cotto of his imminent Ko victory after the patient deconstruction of his opponent's body for 11 rounds... Cotto once more won't get the credit he deserves for his victory... Did you watch Mayorga scratch his face, tap the interviewer's shoulder, well do just about everything your natural reflexes would forbid you to do with a broken hand after the fight??? F*ck this guy really put an exclamation point on his unsportsmanlike carreer... As if to remind us how much of an ass hole he is before saying what we were all hoping to hear "I'm gonna look for a job"!

I want to hear a techno remix between Mayorga's "I'm gonna look for a job" and Pacquiao's "just doing my job"  Grin
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« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2011, 09:38:57 AM »

We just witnessed Mayorga pulling off a "Direll"... He robbed Cotto of his imminent Ko victory after the patient deconstruction of his opponent's body for 11 rounds... Cotto once more won't get the credit he deserves for his victory... Did you watch Mayorga scratch his face, tap the interviewer's shoulder, well do just about everything your natural reflexes would forbid you to do with a broken hand after the fight??? F**k this guy really put an exclamation point on his unsportsmanlike carreer... As if to remind us how much of an ass hole he is before saying what we were all hoping to hear "I'm gonna look for a job"!

I want to hear a techno remix between Mayorga's "I'm gonna look for a job" and Pacquiao's "just doing my job"  Grin

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« Reply #70 on: March 14, 2011, 09:51:22 AM »

Lol I still can't believe the broadcasters actually started talking about the hand, he was virtually doing the exact same thing that he did against Trinidad when he was getting destroyed by bodyshots, he would faint getting low blowed right before getting knocked out... F**k the HBO commentators never would have fell for that one they would have exposed him as the cheater he is... Even during the replays instead of saying "haha we can clearly see Mayorga is acting and trying to take a legitimate stoppage away from Cotto" they were like "hmmm pretty bizarre no pain reaction when he is hitting Cotto in the face, oh is that a HAND CLASH?"

WTF!!!! A HAND CLASH they actually said it!!! Covered themselves in ridicule... "Oh my got what's wrong with Mayorga he can't be acting?!? It MUST be a penis clash doctor! Technical decision in favour of Miguel Cotto due to a penis clash and having nothing to do with the fact Cotto was neutralising Mayorga and about to knock him out"
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« Reply #71 on: March 14, 2011, 10:01:15 AM »

Relax dude cotto won. If he wasnt fighting washed up 40yr old lunatic this wouldn't be happening. What  ya expect.
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« Reply #72 on: March 14, 2011, 10:19:20 AM »

Relax dude cotto won. If he wasnt fighting washed up 40yr old lunatic this wouldn't be happening. What  ya expect.

I know man but I didn't want it to go down like that, Miguel and Omar Henry kept crying on my shoulder all night after that (I'm Miguel's fat friend)  Wink
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« Reply #73 on: March 14, 2011, 11:29:50 AM »

Good night of boxing though a shame HBO and Showtime had to go head to head.

A few warned that Foreman would lose and I didn't listen. Mayorga gave his typical performance but Cottos class shone through. Martinez outjabbed the jabber and is a marvel.

Was interesting to see Lee and McEwan match-up as not seen a great deal of McEwan. Good win for Andy Lee.
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« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2011, 01:56:12 PM »

Though I have not seen the fight yet, I do look forward to it, seems like you guys are on both sides of the fence about Cotto's performance. I can only say that from his past few fights that he was doing a good job outboxing Vargas, and was giving Mosley all kinds of problems as well. He is older now yes, and I have not seen the fight no... but like I had said before, I think that it was a pretty good choice of opponent to prepare for cheato.
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