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[Aaron]

I can not stand the way people are using the cuts and lack of employment for this, it's none other than total bullshit. These are not the kind of people that would sit around watching the news and reading papers to even understand how much the country is in the shit, the first time they watched the news was probably over the last day or two to see if they was on it. It is a few people who took to the streets in peaceful protest over the killing of somebody they loved, joined by a few complete dickheads who sprang on the opportunity to cause a bit of shit that has now escalated.

I was in a social club last night and one of the guys was saying "if they had jobs they would not have the time to do this, its the cuts". Does anyone here seriously think scum like these have probably ever worked in there lives or searched for a job? These people would do this kind of stuff for the exact reasons that the ones interviewd have been saying, "because we can".

The people involved would not have the first clue about any government cuts and would not care to hear them if somebody tried to explain them, they are just mindless idiots who need the fear of god beating into them.
I also think the media should not put a total stop to showing any coverage of these events as it is what is fueling them imo, stop the fame and attention and their purpose will die.

I watched the last part of the band of brothers last night having never seen it before, and it is sickening how a generation of teenagers can change in such a short time.

[The Underdog]

I don't remember having a day centre/youth centre, and I made sure I went to School and didn't d*ck about so I could get a job.

Poverty and low self-esteem can make people heartless.

The government need to start sending back all of the eastern europeans which every town is awash with and create jobs for this lost generation before its too late.

Im not defending what these youngsters have done but i feel their frustration in not being able see a future for themselves the way the country is today. The worst thing we did is vote the conservatives back in who have always looked after their own and shat on the working class.

Here come the sad clicks  

[Flo]

The government need to start sending back all of the eastern europeans which every town is awash with and create jobs for this lost generation before its too late.

You honestly think they'd take them?! 

[jimjack]

You honestly think they'd take them?! 

Beat me to it.
There has always been jobs available for the people of the UK, however years of immigration has been necessary to fulfil the jobs that these work shy scum bags wont take.
Keep the Eastern Europeans who want to work and make a better life and get rid of these cnuts instead I say.

[hoover]

Poverty and low self-esteem can make people heartless.

The government need to start sending back all of the eastern europeans which every town is awash with and create jobs for this lost generation before its too late.

Im not defending what these youngsters have done but i feel their frustration in not being able see a future for themselves the way the country is today. The worst thing we did is vote the conservatives back in who have always looked after their own and shat on the working class.

Here come the sad clicks  

If we sent back every single Eastern European  immigrant from this country it would not affect the work prospects of these people who are rioting, they are simply shit humans, they don't want to work, they are scum. This is not a political protest, these riots are not the fault of the coalition, jesus christ man you site immigration as the problem (which was massive under Labour) and then blame the current government which has been in power for 15 months, how thick can you be?

[The Hurricane]

Beat me to it.
There has always been jobs available for the people of the UK, however years of immigration has been necessary to fulfil the jobs that these work shy scum bags wont take.
Keep the Eastern Europeans who want to work and make a better life and get rid of these cnuts instead I say.

There is a definite lack of work ethic that has come from somewhere.  As I have mentioned in other discussions, today people expect to be able to earn a minimum of £20k even without any qualifications or experience.  I'd still go and apply to work in McDonalds if I lost my job and needed an income to pay my bills.

[jimjack]

There is a definite lack of work ethic that has come from somewhere.  As I have mentioned in other discussions, today people expect to be able to earn a minimum of £20k even without any qualifications or experience.  I'd still go and apply to work in McDonalds if I lost my job and needed an income to pay my bills.

That's the difference between wanting 'respec' from like minded chavy oxygen thieves, or like you, having Self Respect.

[Lemonardo]

One other problem in our society that is impacting on recent events is the "we vs they" mentality, and it is RIFE...

Listen to that kid in Manchester (the one with his face masked up on that vid in this thread) what's the theme? Us vs the Police...

Listen to those girls who were rioting in Croydon (on another vid in this thread), what's the theme? Us vs the shopowners "cos they're rich"

As Dr Cialdini stated in his groundbreaking "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion" book, "Cojoint efforts towards common goals bridges rifts between groups"

We have to somehow find a way to show these youths that competing against the Police, Shop owners etc only goes to harm everyone's interests (including their own), and that cooperation is the only way that we'll all mutually prosper...

Again, it's only when this is addressed at grassroots level will we benefit from it in the long term...kids need to be taught from an early age that the Police etc are their allies rather than their opposition, so long as they are law abiding, and the Police need to maintain this trust with respect to how they treat law abiding citizens across all cultures...

If we don't really tackle this from an early age, then we'll continue to fire-fight situations such as the current one...

[stephen thompson]

 I just can't write this reaction off as mindless thugs just deciding to riot. This kind of reaction is born over time and neglect. This reaction and disregard for the law is also born from the incompetence and abuse of power by the police. This is born from all political parties and there neglect of the issues. This born from the ignorance of the pompous arses in parliament, all three useless parties. This is also born from parents that where part of labours "sponging society" there kids witnessing dad sat on his arse.

 "get off the streets and get a job" might be the most ignorant response from the public I have ever heard. I can guarantee that a high % of these kids do have jobs, shit jobs at that. Stuck on minimum wage, being raped on taxes from all fronts, no prospect of progression. I left school and got some shit jobs, during labores reign, after 3 years decided I wanted to go back to college for a trade. To do this I would have to leave my job. If I quit I was entitled to no money to live on whilst trying to brighten my horizon. I had to get my boss to " lay me off ". All the while I was at college the dole office where trying to force me to quit college and get back into a shitty job. I would imagine it is no different now under the Tories.

 This thing is born from the fact that the future looks bleak for millions of people in the " once great " britain.

 To write this off as pure thuggery and ignore the many underlying issues would be the biggest criminal offence in this whole situation.

[The Underdog]

This thing is born from the fact that the future looks bleak for millions of people in the " once great " britain.

 To right this off as pure thuggery and ignore the many underlying issues would be the biggest criminal offence in this whole situation.

IQ

You honestly think they'd take them?! 

Probably not but theres 3 million British people out of work, And more than 3 million polish, lithuanian,russians working here taking the jobs the working class relied on. Its not just the government, Employers are as much to blame as well.

This wouldn't have happened 10 years ago.

[Sez]

This wouldn't have happened 10 years ago.

yeah because you were still allowed to smack your kids then

[hoover]

IQ

Probably not but theres 3 million British people out of work, And more than 3 million polish, lithuanian,russians working here taking the jobs the working class relied on. Its not just the government, Employers are as much to blame as well.

This wouldn't have happened 10 years ago.

It was all starting 10 years ago, socialism giving everyone what the want for non or very little effort, the human rights act taking its grip and the start of a litigious society, dumbing down education, mass immigration, loss of border control, the dawn of the benefit culture, all issues created by Labour.

I said it in another post, these rioters are not disaffected unemployment statistics, they do not want to work, if you offered them employment they would throw it back in your face. If you want a job, jobs are there to be got. Trying to defend these wankers is bad enough, trying to level the blame at the current government for what they are is stupid

[jimjack]

I just can't write this reaction off as mindless thugs just deciding to riot. This kind of reaction is born over time and neglect. This reaction and disregard for the law is also born from the incompetence and abuse of power by the police. This is born from all political parties and there neglect of the issues. This born from the ignorance of the pompous arses in parliament, all three useless parties. This is also born from parents that where part of labours "sponging society" there kids witnessing dad sat on his arse.

 "get off the streets and get a job" might be the most ignorant response from the public I have ever heard. I can guarantee that a high % of these kids do have jobs, shit jobs at that. Stuck on minimum wage, being raped on taxes from all fronts, no prospect of progression. I left school and got some shit jobs, during labores reign, after 3 years decided I wanted to go back to college for a trade. To do this I would have to leave my job. If I quit I was entitled to no money to live on whilst trying to brighten my horizon. I had to get my boss to " lay me off ". All the while I was at college the dole office where trying to force me to quit college and get back into a shitty job. I would imagine it is no different now under the Tories.

 This thing is born from the fact that the future looks bleak for millions of people in the " once great " britain.

 To write this off as pure thuggery and ignore the many underlying issues would be the biggest criminal offence in this whole situation.

There may have been underlying issues which escalated the issues in London early on in the trouble, but the vast majority now are doing this because of no political agenda. Thye are doing this becasue they can and what you have said about abuse of power by police being behind this issue i would reverse, the lack of power by the police is the issue. No respect and no fear of authority of any kind is the route of the trouble, the same lack of respect which means they have left or will leave education without any qualifications. Then maybe when they have grown up a little and realised they want a job they will moan about lack of prospects available to a dropout and life long scrounger.
The whole situation needs adressing once we have the treets back, for now we need to reclaim control under any means.  

[Alba]

i think ther is a lot goign on ,i can see how growing up in poverty and lack of oppertunaties could make someone bitter and have a chip on there shoulder with society ,but you still knwo what is right and wrong ....

also these "riots" some people are suggesting there politically motivated (more theones at the weekend) ,when there not a clear political motive for it not like the recent ones we have seen Arab countries

i would quite happely give these scum a rough time and put them in jail for the long term but we know it aint goign to happen

[Aaron]

It was all starting 10 years ago, socialism giving everyone what the want for non or very little effort, the human rights act taking its grip and the start of a litigious society, dumbing down education, mass immigration, loss of border control, the dawn of the benefit culture, all issues created by Labour.

I said it in another post, these rioters are not disaffected unemployment statistics, they do not want to work, if you offered them employment they would throw it back in your face. If you want a job, jobs are there to be got. Trying to defend these wankers is bad enough, trying to level the blame at the current government for what they are is stupid

Good post Hoover.

I do not think you can put this down to any kind of government because as many have said, even if offered a job half of these lot would no doubt say no its not good enough.

The polish and whatever nationalities people are looking to have a go at are here doing the jobs scum smashing the shop window think they are above, such as picking crops, shit paid factory jobs etc etc.

It seems a very normal british thing to do now that as soon as we have any national problems, blame the imigrants who are here and working 12 hour days to provide for there families what we all want for our own. Sure there are some than rape the country with claims of chile bennefits for kids not even living here, but the blame there lies with the legislation.

If i had to choose though i would sooner send some but gusting imigrants kid child support who lives abroad, than pay some useless lazy yob the rock n roll.