next »

[jaimie77]

Funny you should mention that because you seem to make out that Wards 0 shows hes a better fighter than Froch whos only defeat was in Denmark to Kess after some serious disruptions.

 Tell me, what date changes, venue changes and ash clouds did Ward have to contend with?

 I'm not making excuses but maybe you should take a leaf out of your heroes book and admit when he's been fortunate.

Plus Ward would of been disqualified had the same Kessler fight had happened in Denmark however well he boxed on the night.

Cant take anything away from Ward as he gets the job done but in this tournament he has had the easy ride no question whilst Carl has been severly f*cked about.

[The Cobra]

sorry u feel that way Jambonhead .

Andre is polite, friendly, humble, and a great guy to hang out with . My friend always goes to his boxing gym in Oakland for interview and he has always given him 2 tickets for his fights at Oakland but i never go . Dont ask me why , i just dont like to leave my son and my wife home alone while i go out of town to watch a fight .

He will tell you exactly how he feels on anything that is on your mind .

We asked him about the kessler fight , and he was so happy that his first fight in the super 6 against kessler was at oakland . he was not sure on the results if he fought in a different country but also mentioned to be great , one day he will have to fight outside the US.

BIGGEST load of rubbish ive read for a LONG LONG time , polite ? friendly ? HUMBLE ? total joke . ive met sog twice , once at the weigh in at ac , and sat down and talked with him at matchroom hq , i thought dirrel was bad , but WARD .. he,s something else ! i wouldnt know were to start , but he,s NONE of the things you CLAIM .... the " man " is deluded about the kessler fight , he would never have got away with that in denmark ! fact ! or many other places , and all the crap he told me / everyone about kess wanting to fight him in OAKLAND  .. and he would have gone to denmark .. yeah right  not what kess has said ....... say what you want about sob ward keegan , i KNOW different and so do others , especially journos who where there as well .... pity he got cut in sparring , pity its gonna be payback time , lets see how he likes it ....... ( get your excuses ready for it , carl only won coz of the cuts ....... )  kessler comes to mind .... . ( i even doubt he,ll be ready for the new date ....... ) more excuses from SOG !  please , please no more DELUDED posts from keegan / motorman ... ( after the fight no doubt you,ll soon go missing in action ) 

[nikolidante]

IQ

[King Cotto]

BIGGEST load of rubbish ive read for a LONG LONG time , polite ? friendly ? HUMBLE ? total joke . ive met sog twice , once at the weigh in at ac , and sat down and talked with him at matchroom hq , i thought dirrel was bad , but WARD .. he,s something else ! i wouldnt know were to start , but he,s NONE of the things you CLAIM .... the " man " is deluded about the kessler fight , he would never have got away with that in denmark ! fact ! or many other places , and all the crap he told me / everyone about kess wanting to fight him in OAKLAND  .. and he would have gone to denmark .. yeah right  not what kess has said ....... say what you want about sob ward keegan , i KNOW different and so do others , especially journos who where there as well .... pity he got cut in sparring , pity its gonna be payback time , lets see how he likes it ....... ( get your excuses ready for it , carl only won coz of the cuts ....... )  kessler comes to mind .... . ( i even doubt he,ll be ready for the new date ....... ) more excuses from SOG !  please , please no more DELUDED posts from keegan / motorman ... ( after the fight no doubt you,ll soon go missing in action ) 

nice one

IQ

[motoriser]

can i make somthing clear to keegan and motorisor, and you can dredge up my old posts to confirm this

im not saying ward wont beat froch, i think ward will box a cynical, clinical fight nicking the fight on points and spoiling whenever he feels threatened. I fullly expect ward to walk away with a decision win

However this does not mean I like him or respect him for this, the guy just grinds my gears, what else can i say. He tries to come across as some god fearing bible bashing holy guy but simultaneously disrespects his god and other people by claiming god has chosen him to be a great boxer and shit on others.

He claims to be this good guy, whilst simultaneously using some of the worst rough house tactics ive seen from modern fighters. He is boring as hell inside the ring and even more dull outside. He models himself on FMJ but only does the safety first things and concrete fundamentals, he doesnt have the style or flare of mayweather.

He gets on my nerves anyway, but like i said i fully expect him to win on dec 17th. I would be suprised and over-joyed if froch pulls it off, similar to the groves-degale fight.

This drama about getting cut and having a meltdown and being a massive drama queen just pissed me off even more, then bitching to his own kids saying ''no it didnt hurt son, but the shots did'' F*ck off, hes a pro boxer and bitching to his OWN kids about some injections....maybe its a different way of bringing up children over there but my male family members would never admit to being hurt even if they really did hurt themselves...

maybe its just a culture thing or something, but i cant relate to andre ward and he just seems to perfectly annoy the hell out of me, its hard to explain but im sure others on here can relate to what im saying

I and most agree he will never win a personality contest,but that's beside the point.
The guy never said he was perfect,he admits to his mistakes anyways.
But he makes no Apologies for living according to his convictions,and weather you see them as fake or not is entirely up to you to decide.
I'm not the type to tell you or anyone who to like or hate for what ever valid/invalid reasons.Follow fighters you like and hate ones you chose to.
People will always be themselves and he is fully aware of how his detractors have called him nasty things but its just water off a ducks back to him.
He will continue to be himself and if that bores others to the brink,then its just the way it is.

[motoriser]

BIGGEST load of rubbish ive read for a LONG LONG time , polite ? friendly ? HUMBLE ? total joke . ive met sog twice , once at the weigh in at ac , and sat down and talked with him at matchroom hq , i thought dirrel was bad , but WARD .. he,s something else ! i wouldnt know were to start , but he,s NONE of the things you CLAIM .... the " man " is deluded about the kessler fight , he would never have got away with that in denmark ! fact ! or many other places , and all the crap he told me / everyone about kess wanting to fight him in OAKLAND  .. and he would have gone to denmark .. yeah right  not what kess has said ....... say what you want about sob ward keegan , i KNOW different and so do others , especially journos who where there as well .... pity he got cut in sparring , pity its gonna be payback time , lets see how he likes it ....... ( get your excuses ready for it , carl only won coz of the cuts ....... )  kessler comes to mind .... . ( i even doubt he,ll be ready for the new date ....... ) more excuses from SOG !  please , please no more DELUDED posts from keegan / motorman ... ( after the fight no doubt you,ll soon go missing in action ) 

Hmm.
For starters you don't even know me,you have never spent a second in my shoes let alone 35 years.Now you are telling me that I will run away from these Forums after the final?
No need to repeat what I have said numerous times about giving credit to the winner regardless of who it is, without digging up lame excuses.
Again it proves you absolutely don't know me and what I'm about.

[Keegan Jacobs]

to be honest guys , i actually like what motoriser has to write because it makes sense to me . As far the COBRA guy , stop with the deluded stuff because tell everybody here why your mad at me ... You had to DISCONNECT from a damn video game in FIGHT NIGHT just because i was giving your FROCH a beating .

Thats sad . Disconnecting from a damn video game so your FAKE online record doesnt get a loss. hahaha

And your sitting here talking about Andre ward ? Look in the mirror

[The Cobra]

Hmm.
For starters you don't even know me,you have never spent a second in my shoes let alone 35 years.Now you are telling me that I will run away from these Forums after the final?
No need to repeat what I have said numerous times about giving credit to the winner regardless of who it is, without digging up lame excuses.
Again it proves you absolutely don't know me and what I'm about.

motorman ... you are deluded , that post about you / virgil having the blueprint to beat  froch !  so you meet up / talk to virgil and he says , here it is motorman .... its the blueprint on how we will beat froch , carl comes on this forum , and that post from you about that made his day   , ive had all this before ....from keegan in the past as well , BUT hes been proved wrong everytime , and will be this time again as well   ps what size shoes are you i could do with a new pair .. pps ( could you also put virgins blueprint in the shoes ? ) i,ll pass them on    unless its top secret  

[Keegan Jacobs]

Funny you should mention that because you seem to make out that Wards 0 shows hes a better fighter than Froch whos only defeat was in Denmark to Kess after some serious disruptions.

 Tell me, what date changes, venue changes and ash clouds did Ward have to contend with?

 I'm not making excuses but maybe you should take a leaf out of your heroes book and admit when he's been fortunate.

Andre has been very fortunate and  i give Froch lots of credit for fighting outside his hometown . This does not change the way i feel about Carl and ANdre when we talk about skills .

Here is the outcome that i see it . Carl will make mistakes and knowing Andre power is not all there , he ( Froch ) won't mind leaving himself open to wards counters but that doesn't mean points won't build up which will end up in a UD for Andre.

 

[motoriser]

motorman ... you are deluded , that post about you / virgil having the blueprint to beat  froch !  so you meet up / talk to virgil and he says , here it is motorman .... its the blueprint on how we will beat froch , carl comes on this forum , and that post from you about that made his day   , ive had all this before ....from keegan in the past as well , BUT hes been proved wrong everytime , and will be this time again as well   ps what size shoes are you i could do with a new pair .. pps ( could you also put virgins blueprint in the shoes ? ) i,ll pass them on    unless its top secret  

oh dear me.
So I guess Virgil giving an observation about an opponent's mistakes makes me deluded.
Did I say I came up with the blueprint?..... NO.
Have I ever Boxed in Top Amateur tournaments?... NO.
Have I ever sparred against a famous Boxer?......NO.
Do I talk to Virgil Hunter?........Yes .
Have I met him?.....Yes.

If all the above makes me delusional then so be it.
 

[Tim2366]

oh dear me.
So I guess Virgil giving an observation about an opponent's mistakes makes me deluded.
Did I say I came up with the blueprint?..... NO.
Have I ever Boxed in Top Amateur tournaments?... NO.
Have I ever sparred against a famous Boxer?......NO.
Do I talk to Virgil Hunter?........Yes .
Have I met him?.....Yes.

If all the above makes me delusional then so be it.
 

Tbh motorman of course Virgil has a blueprint for beating Froch but so did Team Pascal,Taylor,Dirrell,Kessler,AA and Johnson and tbh none of them showed it...Kessler got the nod in a close decision but didnt show any blue print to beating Froch, some thinkg Dirrell did but tbh running away aint a blue print. Im sure Mcracken has a blue print for beating Ward but if Froch loses than it wont hold any water same for Virgils.

[deck]

Tbh motorman of course Virgil has a blueprint for beating Froch but so did Team Pascal,Taylor,Dirrell,Kessler,AA and Johnson and tbh none of them showed it...Kessler got the nod in a close decision but didnt show any blue print to beating Froch, some thinkg Dirrell did but tbh running away aint a blue print. Im sure Mcracken has a blue print for beating Ward but if Froch loses than it wont hold any water same for Virgils.

To be fair Carl was getting outboxed by both Taylor and Kessler at points, helped by keeping his defence wide open. They countered him well and used straight punches to good effect. They managed to exploit that weakness in Carl's boxing at the time.

[Tim2366]

To be fair Carl was getting outboxed by both Taylor and Kessler at points, helped by keeping his defence wide open. They countered him well and used straight punches to good effect. They managed to exploit that weakness in Carl's boxing at the time.

Id agree with Taylor but Kessler was also shipping punishment....still dnt know how anyone had that fight by more than 2 points either way, Kessler by no means dominated,outboxed or showed a blue print for beating Froch...unless having Roger Tilleman in your pockets a blue print. With the Taylor fight Froch made it clear that he was gona take Taylor into deep water and expected to control the second half of the fight..and thats what he did after shipping a 4 round schooling by Taylor. Agree how you say "at the time" because I think the Froch after Kessler is a different beast...no more single shots the Froch of today lands hard combos and doesnt stop to admire his work like he use to.

[deck]

Id agree with Taylor but Kessler was also shipping punishment....still dnt know how anyone had that fight by more than 2 points either way, Kessler by no means dominated,outboxed or showed a blue print for beating Froch...unless having Roger Tilleman in your pockets a blue print. With the Taylor fight Froch made it clear that he was gona take Taylor into deep water and expected to control the second half of the fight..and thats what he did after shipping a 4 round schooling by Taylor. Agree how you say "at the time" because I think the Froch after Kessler is a different beast...no more single shots the Froch of today lands hard combos and doesnt stop to admire his work like he use to.

Taylor was very sloppy and frustrating to watch. In the two or three sporadic rounds that Carl listened to Rob in the corner and jabbed he had good success against Jermaine. Then he went back to trying to land the big right hand again with limited success. Carl gets full credit for winning the fight in the dramatic fashion he did but he was very, very close to losing that fight and it can't be said that was the plan all along. His punches did the damage and he deserved the win but he could have stopped him earlier, and also have been ahead on the cards, if he had broken him down with his boxing.

In the Kessler fight, with Mikkel being more flat footed Carl had more success. You could see also that his timing was off and he seemed to be pawing with the jab rather than using it with any authority. I had Kessler winning by two rounds and thought that was a fair result(not on all judges cards mind you). His timing and speed was better than Carls and he seemed more authoritative in a few rounds with his punches.

I said 'at the time' because he showed against Abraham what he was capable of. It was textbook boxing and what he should be trying to implement in every fight - if he can. Against Johnson it didn't seem to work because Glen had put on a lot of weight since the weigh in and was awkward and stronger than Carl. I still think that Carl could have defended better against some of Johnson's punches. He took a few heavy shots that he really didn't have to. But it was better than both the Taylor and Kessler fights.

Against Ward I feel that he should try to box first and fight second, intermingling them when the opportunity arises or is called for. Carl is a good counter puncher and he needs to set Ward up with the jab. A crisp, damaging jab that will either hit or deter rather than a pawing one that Ward will slip and counter before holding. Froch needs to mix up his shots so that Ward is never fully sure of what is coming next. Above all though I would say that he needs to listen to McCracken and follow the plan to the letter to give himself the best chance. Major discipline is called for here in order to get the job done.

[Tim2366]

Good post Deck, cant argue with Kessler by 2 as some of those rounds really could have gone either way, I think todays Froch would hav crushed Taylor though. The Ward fights gonna be hard to call..shame it got delayed..wud of been leaving for NY a week tmoz.