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[styledoctor]

You can always guarantee a McClellan thread will end up with 'karma' and such like because of his dog fighting. Truth is, back in 95 he was must watch for any boxing fan. One of few men to score 3 consecutive 1st round KO's in world title fights. The leverage he got on that right hand was frightening. I often wonder what the rest of McClellan's career might have looked like. A KO of Steve Collins perhaps? A mega fight with Roy Jones? Who knows. He may not have been a very nice man, in fact I'm sure this makeup moulded him to be the destroyer he was. Regardless of his questionable personal choices no man deserves to leave a boxing ring fighting for his life.

[whieldon]

it was a tragedy but it certainly wasn't benns fault its a boxing fight both boxers want to kill there opponent and win as fast as possible like people always say u don't get payed overtime in boxing.

it was his corner to blame i mean who the hell was that trainer? why would u sack steward for him? rediculas

also I'm sure if benn was the one that it happened to mcclellan wouldn't be doing any of this shit to help benn out

[Shawn]

I struggle to just concentrate on G-man the boxer, when in reality he was not the nicest of people according to many sources.

That said, it's not like he can defend himself?

Also there was a large benefit gig put on in London a couple of years ago, and then shortly after his sister was slagging everyone off too whom helped out.

One thing I consider is what would Gerald McClellan care if it was Nigel Benn left like that? would he be doing documentaries and benefit gigs ?

I was watching it and thinking the same thing, i feel awful but just from what i have seen from that documentary that McCellan maybe have seen it as a medal, i think when a boxing match is happening in real time it aint easy for people to look and see the gum shield hanging out or him blinking or going down and  taking a count as anything more than tiredness, but afterwards its easy to analyse and say it should of been stopped, imagine the ref stopping that fight because McCellan was blinking and that doc showed me another masterclass from jim watt a tool

[whieldon]

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I struggle to just concentrate on G-man the boxer, when in reality he was not the nicest of people according to many sources.

That said, it's not like he can defend himself?

Also there was a large benefit gig put on in London a couple of years ago, and then shortly after his sister was slagging everyone off too whom helped out.

One thing I consider is what would Gerald McClellan care if it was Nigel Benn left like that? would he be doing documentaries and benefit gigs ?


I was watching it and thinking the same thing, i feel awful but just from what i have seen from that documentary that McCellan maybe have seen it as a medal, i think when a boxing match is happening in real time it aint easy for people to look and see the gum shield hanging out or him blinking or going down and  taking a count as anything more than tiredness, but afterwards its easy to analyse and say it should of been stopped, imagine the ref stopping that fight because McCellan was blinking and that doc showed me another masterclass from jim watt a tool

iq thats true if a ref was to stop a fight as the other fighter had his gum shield out or was blinking and nothing happened to that fighter there would be uproar people demanding there money back and saying it was fixed the ref couldn't have done done right either way even though he was awful on the night

it is boxing that is why these people make millions of pounds because there lives are on the line anything can happen in the ring its one punch and it could be fatal

[Skav]

Brilliant documentary. Both the ref and Johnson were chatting shite when they were blaming one another for not stopping the fight earlier. The responsibility lies with BOTH of them. It would have been better had they just said that instead of gobbing off at one another. It was emotional to see Benn and McClellan together again and especially when Gerald said for Benn not to blame himself.

And to address the supposed controversy about the count in the first round, I've got the fight on DVD and watched it many times. Benn was inside the ring inside 10 so it really is irrelevant. As for steroids...don't make me laugh. Benn was pissing out blood and suffered damaged kidneys as a result of this fight. He was also in a bad way. Sometimes boxers just have those nights when they are unstoppable. And don't nobody use Hatton v Tszyu as an example on this forum or I'll scream. 

[tweetstreet]

It's a case of sympathy and circumstance for McClellan

Yes I sympathise with his condition and circumstances of that night contributed to the tragedy, his trainer was inadequate to the point of not even knowing how to wraP Gerald's hands. Many would inadaquate enough to not know when to pull him out of a fight but would many steward have pulled him out for hanging his mouthpiece and blinking more than usual? That's doubtful trainers are much maligned by boxers for stopping them when visibly hurt let alone visibly tired.

The referee was a poor choice but not his fault as such it's the governing bodies fault for selecting a foreign speaking referee without a clear conception of the rules (benns ring fall in rd1)

My personal argument on the subject is whether the McLennan's would show the same remorse for benn, would Gerald organise a fundraiser for benn or just see it part of the sport? Would his sister be critical of the involved parties seeing her brother inflict the damage to benn, the ref not stop the fight and benns corner too?

At the end of the day I'd say neither man was perfect, McLennan more so, recent stories in the paper showing a young man probably not far off McLennan's age feeding a kitten to a python and there being uproar. Guys on here saying McLennan didn't deserve his fate (despite the dogfighting) I hope your not posting words of death to the snake guy and defending Gerald.

My 2 cents are its a ring tragedy, you can't blame the men in the ring for the events (and that includes the ref) it was an a culmination of errors, mistakes and misfortune as most tradgedys are.

Il agree with Skav for the most part tho. 2 boxers going to war each knew the potential consequences. You can place blame on poor corner work but imagine cotto taking that knee v margarito in their 1st fight and then carrying on and finishing or winning very similar especially as Gerald was winning the been fight. No fight fan would have supported the stoppage of Gerald before the defeat I don't think.

It's just one of those things, think johnny Owen know one knew he had a thinner skull, couldn't be predicted, perhaps could have been prevented in hindsight but lets learn from these situations. It could be benn in a wheel chair it could be anyone, any fighter. Gerald, benn, Eubanks, journeyman all bravey in the ring.

Il support any man who has the bravery to step between the ropes, macclennan was no saint though, he doesn't deserve his condition, and I'm not religious in the slightest but I like to think he's repenting for his sins though benn.

[pete postlethwaite]

It always puzzles me as to why Gman was so easily nullified by the mere act of bending over and tying ones shoelaces. He was a murderous straight puncher, but simply inept when the task required more subtleties. Benn showed tremendous courage and resolve that night, but Gmans injury dictated the final outcome of the fight. As the contest entered the mid rounds It was beginning to look ominous again for Benn. He was being tagged clean and would surely have broken had the internal horrors inside Gmans cranium not been conspiring to rid him of more than he could ever imagine. Benn rode his luck that night and was aided by some Poor arbitration. McClellan should have buried him in the first. Fair play to Benn though, he was one of British boxing's most courageous warriors and deserved his break.

As for Gerald, well, he was a wicked and thoroughly reprehensible individual, a nefarious degenerate beyond sympathy. That he himself is now rendered mute, groping in the darkness, his cries unheard, is a biblical justice utterly befitting the diabolical brethren burning in Blake's visions of Hell. In this chaotic cosmos, without divine hand, so much goes unpunished, the barbarous thrive whilst the good man yields, the justice of a roulette wheel may be woefully inept, but when the numbers come up the chaos is momentarily conquered. Enjoy your stygian nightmare  Gerald, you deserve it!

[pogo]

"As for Gerald, well, he was a wicked and thoroughly reprehensible individual, a nefarious degenerate beyond sympathy. That he himself is now rendered mute, groping in the darkness, his cries unheard, is a biblical justice utterly befitting the diabolical brethren burning in Blake's visions of Hell. In this chaotic cosmos, without divine hand, so much goes unpunished, the barbarous thrive whilst the good man yields, the justice of a roulette wheel may be woefully inept, but when the numbers come up the chaos is momentarily conquered. Enjoy your stygian nightmare  Gerald, you deserve it!"

i find your words sickening to the pit of my stomach Pete. Dont matter how much of a bad ass he was in life, he suffered his injuries in the name  of "sports entertainment" for the kind of fans like me and you.

[pete postlethwaite]

"As for Gerald, well, he was a wicked and thoroughly reprehensible individual, a nefarious degenerate beyond sympathy. That he himself is now rendered mute, groping in the darkness, his cries unheard, is a biblical justice utterly befitting the diabolical brethren burning in Blake's visions of Hell. In this chaotic cosmos, without divine hand, so much goes unpunished, the barbarous thrive whilst the good man yields, the justice of a roulette wheel may be woefully inept, but when the numbers come up the chaos is momentarily conquered. Enjoy your stygian nightmare  Gerald, you deserve it!"

i find your words sickening to the pit of my stomach Pete. Dont matter how much of a bad ass he was in life, he suffered his injuries in the name  of  for the kind of fans like me and you.

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I disagree comrade. What an awfully masochistic take you have on things. And the notion of vicarious redemption is most sickening. Nothing is done for you and me, and that's the way It should be.  "sports entertainment"  Come off it, he was fighting for a pay packet!  Extracurricular transgressions may not figure in your calculations, but they most certainly do in mine. I'm just glad that the man is unable to wander the streets, money in his pocket, able to stumble into a pet shop of his choosing. In the midst of his murderous acts I would not have not hesitated, not for one moment, to level the barrel of a gun, pull the trigger and save the suffering of countless terrified creatures.

[jimjack]

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I disagree comrade. What an awfully masochistic take you have on things. And the notion of vicarious redemption is most sickening. Nothing is done for you and me, and that's the way It should be.  "sports entertainment"  Come off it, he was fighting for a pay packet!  Extracurricular transgressions may not figure in your calculations, but they most certainly do in mine. I'm just glad that the man is unable to wander the streets, money in his pocket, able to stumble into a pet shop of his choosing. In the midst of his murderous acts I would not have not hesitated, not for one moment, to level the barrel of a gun, pull the trigger and save the suffering of countless terrified creatures.

to be fair there are plenty of people spouting hatred and designs of death on people that hurt pets on other topics. This is just an illustration of what many have wished for on other threads.

[TC]

I was watching it and thinking the same thing, i feel awful but just from what i have seen from that documentary that McCellan maybe have seen it as a medal, i think when a boxing match is happening in real time it aint easy for people to look and see the gum shield hanging out or him blinking or going down and  taking a count as anything more than tiredness, but afterwards its easy to analyse and say it should of been stopped, imagine the ref stopping that fight because McCellan was blinking and that doc showed me another masterclass from jim watt a tool

I agree there's no way the ref could have stopped the fight. McClellan was well in the fight still, wasn't taking loads of punishment and was still firing back big shots.

I don't see what your problem is with Jim Watt on this occasion though. He said what everyone was thinking and what seemed most apparent, high on adrenaline at the end of an epic contest.

Any criticism levelled at anyone for this horrific accident is done purely through the medium of 20/20 hindsight.

[The Flaccid Member]

The FIght of Their Lives - Benn v McClellan

[Dexter_Morgan]

Really hard watch for me I can't help but think back to the night of the fight gathered round the Tv few beers screaming for Benn to 'get him' 'smash him' 'kill him' perhaps and to see a once great fighter as he was at the end made me feel rather sick and saddened.

I've read the comments watched the doc and watched the fight live. Its a point no one has commented on G-Man knocked his trainers teeth out some say on purpose thats the make up of the man. He attempted to take hold of his own destiny manager and trainer wise and took a gamble that went badly wrong. All most all experts said they hadn't seen a fighter blink like that or have the problems he had with his gum shield hindsight is a wonderful thing.

No one deserves to be left the way he was but if my memory serves me right didn't they move him for surgery or a surgery that should have been carried out in the UK ?

[Chatham Dan]

def tough viewing.... i dont care what anyone says no boxers deserves to end up like that regardless of what they done outside the ring.

Ridiculous statement. I know its sad to see and i would never wish it on anyone but if that story about the dog is true he got what he deserves. People who are cruel to animals like that are sick fucks. My dog is my family. Say he had raped and tortured a child you are saying regardless he wouldnt of deserved it.

[hoover]

Ridiculous statement. I know its sad to see and i would never wish it on anyone but if that story about the dog is true he got what he deserves. People who are cruel to animals like that are sick fucks. My dog is my family. Say he had raped and tortured a child you are saying regardless he wouldnt of deserved it.

Or raped your dog, that would be sick