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[MFC_SE15]

" Froch does not belong in the same ring that ward is in .

Whoever wins this weekend that has to be one of the most stupid comments going.

[The Underdog]

BAN THE TROLL

[Skratch-Alien]

Wonders why he was on -300 sad clicks.

Waving his steroid accusation pics about and coming out with ridiculous comments.

Argumentative dickhead.

[Keegan Jacobs]

Froch doesn't belong in the same ring as Ward? So what about Bika then? Was he worthy of sharing the same ring? A bloke not worthy of the tournament to begin with, was a fill in for Andre and made him fight tooth and nails at times? Was he more worthy for Ward would you say?

I'm not trying to argue here mate, just trying to get a clearer picture on your thoughts.

Also, the thing about 'Raw power'? Surely you see more then that Keegan? Not all fighters have mastered the art of using the head mate, you know that. I think if you pay closer attention to Froch's ways and style you'll see he is pretty calculated with his ways. He picks his shots pretty well and can adapt. Some of the most dangerous guys are the one's you can't read. Alot of fighters tend to use the same style from time to time and will usually stick with basic styles that have worked best for them in previous fights. Froch is one of those blokes though who I believe hasn't shown us his full potential.

This fight is 50-50 imo, with the edge leaning in Ward's favour. I think of all the fighters around 168, Froch is the man who has what it takes to topple Ward and stop him dead in his tracks.

Mal,

We can only compare froch and ward right now by the opposition they have both faced right ?

Ward vs AA = Ward domination
Froch vs AA = Froch domination

Ward vs Kessler = Ward domination
Froch vs Kessler = Kessler win

Ward has not been in a competitive fight , he has controlled any fighter you put in front of him .

Froch is a very sluggish , wide punching, non defense fighter . He will look LOST in there against a pure world class boxer like WARD.

Many guys who know boxing will know what really is going to happen , the others who are FROCH fans are just hoping for a KO because in reality that is the only chance the cobra has.

[Keegan Jacobs]

Whoever wins this weekend that has to be one of the most stupid comments going.

I know the sport , unfortunately many on here dont .

[Keegan Jacobs]

BAN THE TROLL

i will repeat to you as well. .. I know the sport, unfortunately some on here have no clue what boxing is all about .

[Faulks]

[quote author=Keegan Jacob
Keegan gets peoples back up but hes backed ward from 2yr ago.... no complaints from me for what its worth

[Tuco]

Mal,

We can only compare froch and ward right now by the opposition they have both faced right ?

Ward vs AA = Ward domination
Froch vs AA = Froch domination

Ward vs Kessler = Ward domination
Froch vs Kessler = Kessler win

Ward has not been in a competitive fight , he has controlled any fighter you put in front of him .

Froch is a very sluggish , wide punching, non defense fighter . He will look LOST in there against a pure world class boxer like WARD.

Many guys who know boxing will know what really is going to happen , the others who are FROCH fans are just hoping for a KO because in reality that is the only chance the cobra has.

I thought your original comment on Froch ''not belonging in the same ring that ward is in'' was ludicrous and you were probably baiting, in fact I know you were but in your last post, you elaborated on what you actually meant and put it in context. It's hard for me to disagree with what you said in the post above.

Alot of us on here have gone with the, as you put it ''others who are FROCH fans are just hoping for a KO'' Which like it or not for the majority, is actually true, thats the vibe I'm getting anyway.

People generally react to your comments, you've got history as Faulks alluded to but on a rare occasion I'll give you credit for not rising to the bait and instead explaining what you meant.

[motoriser]

Mal,

We can only compare froch and ward right now by the opposition they have both faced right ?

Ward vs AA = Ward domination
Froch vs AA = Froch domination

Ward vs Kessler = Ward domination
Froch vs Kessler = Kessler win

Ward has not been in a competitive fight , he has controlled any fighter you put in front of him .

Froch is a very sluggish , wide punching, non defense fighter . He will look LOST in there against a pure world class boxer like WARD.

Many guys who know boxing will know what really is going to happen , the others who are FROCH fans are just hoping for a KO because in reality that is the only chance the cobra has.

This is a much better, well clarified post Brotha.

[Lemonardo]

" Froch does not belong in the same ring that ward is in . One has great talents while the other is just RAW power . THere is a difference in world class and after this weekend , you will once again see the BETTER fighter prevail because of his skills .

To my good friend Keegan,

As you know, I have always respected your opinion and appreciate the context of your post. It was not intended to be antagonistic but predictive.

What you say may well happen, only time will tell and we will soon find out...

At the same time, there are other variables to consider. Especially recently, Froch has shown that he has more in his arsenal than people thought he had, he is more than just a slugger with raw power as you alluded to. Furthermore, froch has a style that is difficult to deal with, froch has fought a fair few skilled boxers already i.e. Dirrell et al and no one has been able to handle him easily and make him look like he doesn't belong in there...

Who knows what else froch may show in this fight?

Also, the fact that froch is a spiritual warrior needs serious consideration, even if he doesn't win the fight, this factor alone means ward will have his work cut out. Froch is relentless and you have to question whether ward will get the time to set himself and box comfortably. Ward is a thinking fighter, but will Froch give him the time to think? Kessler is also a thinking fighter and he brought that mindset into his fight with ward, but ward is equally a thinker and is better skilled than Kessler, but the Kessler who fought froch was a different animal, he just went to war with froch and it makes me wonder if ward would have had more trouble against Kessler had that version turned up against him, with the 'my career is on the line' mindset that he had against froch, it is a very important factor..

...it is important because in my opinion, whilst I recognise that ward is a great boxer and is gritty to boot, I have a question mark about whether he can handle being outside his comfort zone when he isn't afforded the time to think. Can he fight skillfully on instinct like Mayweather (i.e. against Chop Chop and numerous others) or will he struggle when outside his thinking domain like Kostya Tszyu (i.e. against Phillips and Hatton)? Perhaps this is the fight to find out.

Consider the ward fight with Abraham. Abraham didn't give ward the time to think early in the fight and I haven't seen ward struggle like that before (hence the question mark I have). Despite the crudeness of abraham in his approach, ward wasn't comfortable in that zone. Abraham either couldn't keep it up or ward worked him out and adapted, and to be fair to ward it was probably the latter. However, it showed me that ward still has things to learn and whilst I do believe he has the technical ability to go on to become a boxing master like mayweather and Hopkins, has he learned this important lesson in time for his fight with froch?

Froch is way more skilled and awkward than Abraham, but Abraham was able to compete with ward for four rounds which is two rounds away from half the fight, so I see a relentless fighter with better boxing ability (i.e. Froch) being able to offer better competition to ward, and as such conclude that froch fully deserves to be in there with ward and will give him the fight of his life win or lose.

Froch would be reckless to just walk through ward's punches, but ward will have to be able to hit hard enough to get the respect of froch and stop him in his tracks. If he can't, then he really is in for a hard nights work even if he wins. See, this is a key factor when it comes to a supreme boxer like mayweather, as while he doesn't knock too many people out these days, he hits hard enough to get his opponents respect and make them think twice about throwing shots for fear of what Floyd will counter them with. Does ward have this ability? Froch doesn't seem to think so, but this will only be answered on the weekend.

If your prediction is true, I will give you all the credit you deserve. Ward has the ability to out box froch, and equally froch could come through what ward has to offer and win by stoppage. The truth will soon be revealed...

[Mal]

Excellent post Lem!!

[Keegan Jacobs]

To my good friend Keegan,

As you know, I have always respected your opinion and appreciate the context of your post. It was not intended to be antagonistic but predictive.

What you say may well happen, only time will tell and we will soon find out...

At the same time, there are other variables to consider. Froch had shown that he has more in his arsenal than people thought he had, he is more than just a slugger as you alluded to. Furthermore, froch has a style that is difficult to deal with, froch has fought a fair few skilled boxers already i.e. Dirrell et al and no one has been able to handle him easily and make him look like he doesn't belong in there...

Who knows what else froch may show in this fight?

Also, the fact that froch is a spiritual warrior needs serious consideration, even if he doesn't win the fight, this factor alone means ward will have his work cut out. Froch is relentless and you have to question whether ward will get the time to set himself and box comfortably. Ward is a thinking fighter, but will Froch give him the time to think? Kessler is also a thinking fighter and he brought that mindset into his fight with ward, but ward is equally a thinker and is better skilled than Kessler, but the Kessler who fought froch was a different animal, he just went to war with froch and it makes me wonder if ward would have had more trouble against Kessler had that version turned up against him, with the 'my career is on the line' mindset that he had against froch, it is a very important factor..

...it is important because in my opinion, whilst I recognise that ward is a great boxer and is gritty to boot, I have a question mark about whether he can handle being outside his comfort zone when he isn't afforded the time to think. Can he fight skillfully on instinct like Mayweather (i.e. against Chop Chop and numerous others) or will he struggle when outside his thinking domain like Kostya Tszyu (i.e. against Phillips and Hatton)? Perhaps this is the fight to find out.

Consider the ward fight with Abraham. Abraham didn't give ward the time to think early in the fight and I haven't seen ward struggle like that before (hence the question mark I have). Despite the crudeness of abraham in his approach, ward wasn't comfortable in that zone. Abraham either couldn't keep it up or ward worked him out and adapted, and to be fair to ward it was probably the latter. However, it showed me that ward still has things to learn and whilst I do believe he has the technical ability to go on to become a boxing master like mayweather and Hopkins, has he learned this important lesson in time for his fight with froch?

Froch is way more skilled and awkward than Abraham, but Abraham was able to compete with ward for four rounds which is two away from half the fight, so I see a better boxer such ad froch being able to offer better competition to ward, and as such conclude that froch fully deserves to be in there with ward and will give him the fight of his life win or lose.

Froch would be reckless to just walk through wards punches, but ward will have to be able to hit hard enough to get the respect of froch and stop him in his tracks. If he can't, then he really is in for a hard nights work even if he wins. See, this is the difference between a supreme boxer like Floyd mayweather, cos while he don't knock too many people out these days, he hits hard enough to get his opponents respect and make them think twice about throwing shots for fear of what Floyd will counter them with. Does ward has this ability? Froch doesn't seem to think so, but this will only be answered on the weekend.


If your prediction is true, I will give you all the credit you deserve. On paper, Ward has the ability to out box froch and could indeed make it a reality. on paper froch could knock ward out and indeed could make it a reality. The truth will soon be revealed...

Lemonardo , great post brother , enjoyed reading that .

 I will be honest, when i first wrote " Froch doesnt belong in the same ring with Ward " i actually had 2 intentions on that ... 1. Just wanted to talk some crap but in a friendly way Lemonardo but at the same time my gut , heart, and head all tell me WARD .

2. The 2nd intention was that even though Froch has beaten some real good fighters of late ( AA,  JOhnson ) , and even a real close fight against Kessler , he has not fought a fighter like Ward .  What do JOhnson, Kessler, and AA all have in common ?  Upright style fighters , both hands up to block , coming forward with a jab . Easy to master but yet easy to counter right ?  I applaud Froch for doing a good job and doing real well against these kind of style fighters.

Now you put a fighter who is the complete opposite , punches will be coming from different direction and hardly ever throws the same punch twice in a row , and will use the entire ring . This fighter can fight from the outside and inside .

Froch will be confused many times in this fight and will look for that 1 punch to land and that can change the fight but the chances of that of happening isn't as high as most think and plus remember , Froch hasn't really knocked anybody out of late , and i believe Taylor was in the last round when that happened.

What i am saying , even if the punch lands , i dont see Andre getting hurt and just incase he does which i dont think so, i do have him regrouping and changing the fight because Ward is capable of doing that .

Lemonardo, always a pleasure reading your posts .

[Lemonardo]

Lemonardo , great post brother , enjoyed reading that .

 I will be honest, when i first wrote " Froch doesnt belong in the same ring with Ward " i actually had 2 intentions on that ... 1. Just wanted to talk some crap but in a friendly way Lemonardo but at the same time my gut , heart, and head all tell me WARD .

2. The 2nd intention was that even though Froch has beaten some real good fighters of late ( AA, Dirrel, JOhnson ) , and even a real close fight against Kessler , he has not fought a fighter like Ward .  What do JOhnson, Kessler, and AA all have in common ?  Upright style fighters , both hands up to block , coming forward with a jab . Easy to master but yet easy to counter right ?  I applaud Froch for doing a good job and doing real well against these kind of style fighters.

Now you put a fighter who is the complete opposite , punches will be coming from different direction and hardly ever throws the same punch twice in a row , and will use the entire ring . This fighter can fight from the outside and inside .

Froch will be confused many times in this fight and will look for that 1 punch to land and that can change the fight but the chances of that of happening isn't as high as most think and plus remember , Froch hasn't really knocked anybody out of late , and i believe Taylor was in the last round when that happened.

What i am saying , even if the punch lands , i dont see Andre getting hurt and just incase he does which i dont think so, i do have him regrouping and changing the fight because Ward is capable of doing that .

Lemonardo, always a pleasure reading your posts .

It's a pleasure to read your posts too as well my friend...your posts always give me food for thought, as has your last one, because everything you've mentioned is plausible and I can visualise your described scenario in my mind. It will be interesting to see what happens if ward can indeed handle froch's power, and I fully appreciate your point about ward's ability to adapt.

I think Adam Booth hit the nail on the head when said that froch has to be prepared to take risks early in the fight to stop ward gaining momentum and settling into any kind of rhythm.

Roll on Saturday!

[The Underdog]

Yh troll on Saturday

No disrespect keegan but it seems all your posts are crafted to be anti Froch... Which is fine as your a goat fan, but I hope you have you spoon ready and your bib on because there will be a lot of humble pie to get through come Sunday!

[MFC_SE15]

I know the sport , unfortunately many on here dont .

 It doesn't really matter to me how well you know the sport, I know you've backed Ward from the start and I have no issue with that, I can hold my hands up and say I knew very little about him until this tournament. However I just think comments such as "doesn't belong in the same ring" are pretty stupid and only posted to get a reaction, which its succeeded in doing.