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« Reply #105 on: January 27, 2012, 03:27:34 PM » |
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That's all we can do, BUT we can illiminate as much risk to inocent people (more important that dogs) IF we have strict laws that are enforced.
Well then we will sit on opposite sides of the fence for this one. Out of interest, where do you play fetch with a dog then if not in a park? Can't say I have ever thrown a stick in my garden or house for the pooch? |
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« Reply #105 on: January 27, 2012, 03:27:34 PM » |
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« Reply #106 on: January 27, 2012, 03:37:41 PM » |
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Well then we will sit on opposite sides of the fence for this one.
Out of interest, where do you play fetch with a dog then if not in a park? Can't say I have ever thrown a stick in my garden or house for the pooch?
Make sure your side is securely fenced if you have a dog with no muzzle and off the lead.  I'm not that arsed about where you play fetch as long as the dog has a muzzle on in public. Maybe you should look at some 'fetch enclosures' or a dog fetch game for the wii. |
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« Reply #107 on: January 27, 2012, 04:34:38 PM » |
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it all boils down to how one trains or doesn't train their animal.I had 150lbs of monster german shephard(The Baron as he was called)biggest meanest looking MOFO you'd never want to meet up with but he was pure pussycat(wouldn't know that,though,unless you knew him)He was the animal "spokeman" for the local American Red Cross charities for children(he loved kids-was as if he knew there was sonething different about them)I could take him to the beach and asides from him sneaking off and eating with someone-he'd let kids bury him in the sand,get up shake it off and let them do it again.He also saved a small child,once from running into the water while his young parents were busy boozing it up(even the lifegaurd who saw the whole thing layed into the parents by telling them if it weren't for this dog your child might not be here).All i had to say to his was"Baron-watch the baby" and he did.Like i said it all boils down to how they are trained.I know you'll never hear about the killer toy poodle but given the wrong upbringing and they'll take a nip outta ya too.  |
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god bless ya Larry Costa-running laps in that track in the sky&remember all the little dudes-they're what it's all about mateys
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« Reply #108 on: January 27, 2012, 04:38:59 PM » |
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In public... it doesn't.
A muzzle will allow a dog to open its mouth enough to breathe i would imagine.
On a side note the bulldog we see today should not even be allowed to be bred, it's immense cruelty of the highest order to interbreed an animal to make all it's traits pronounced to the point it's health suffers.
Look at pictures of a Bulldog from 100 years ago and today, nothing like the same animal. The same can be said about many pedigree dogs (but to a lesser extent):
Alsations are prone to joint problems because of the sloping back which has been pronounced in breeding,
Pugs cant breathe,
Staffies are prone to cancer,
rotweillers are prone to brain disease.
The bulldog of a 100 years ago is basically what would now be classed as a pitbull and therefore illegal. A park is for all its for birds, rabbits and everyone to enjoy. The only way around it is dog parks and none dog parks. A muzzle to my understanding doesn't allow the dog to breath 100% to cool down effectively enough it also doesn't allow the dog to fully use his senses. I agree with your comment about the bulldog, Show Alsations are a joke next to there working brothers and sisters however just like humans dogs are open to disease. We have banned the dogo argentino but its know to be a great dog. |
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« Reply #109 on: January 27, 2012, 05:27:38 PM » |
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The bulldog of a 100 years ago is basically what would now be classed as a pitbull and therefore illegal. A park is for all its for birds, rabbits and everyone to enjoy. The only way around it is dog parks and none dog parks. A muzzle to my understanding doesn't allow the dog to breath 100% to cool down effectively enough it also doesn't allow the dog to fully use his senses.
I agree with your comment about the bulldog, Show Alsations are a joke next to there working brothers and sisters however just like humans dogs are open to disease.
We have banned the dogo argentino but its know to be a great dog.
What about the muzzles that grey hounds wear. Surely they allow them to breathe, they are flat out round the track. |
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« Reply #111 on: January 27, 2012, 08:52:52 PM » |
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If the muzzles are not available, they should be made. I dont want to sound like a dog hater, I love dogs and almost all animals (no time for snakes really, just look a bit crafty), but equally I think the rights of people should come before dogs or any animals. I also think that dogs get the blame when its human error that's to blame in many cases, having strict muzzle laws etc would eliminate the risk. |
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« Reply #112 on: January 27, 2012, 08:55:06 PM » |
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Aren't pitbulls banned in the UK? Doesn't stop the arse end of society buying them though does it. And then them attacking kids or whatever. The point is, even if a law was brought in, the type of irresponsible people who own these dogs wouldn't give a shit about the laws, they'd do as they pleased anyway.
Drugs are against the law but it doesn't stop the weekend rock stars practicing their lines in pub toilets every weekend does it!
It isn't always the owners either. Most times it is, but you're not telling me every dog that ever attacked someone was mistreated? Most serial killers are abused as kids, some do just cos they enjoy it. Same with any animal. Their instinct is fight or flight - basic - sometimes they misjudge it.
Dogs are alot harder to conceal than drugs... anyone that has tried to smuggle a bag full of dobermans into a nightclub in thier sock will vouch for that. |
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« Reply #113 on: January 27, 2012, 09:31:44 PM » |
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If the muzzles are not available, they should be made.
I dont want to sound like a dog hater, I love dogs and almost all animals (no time for snakes really, just look a bit crafty), but equally I think the rights of people should come before dogs or any animals.
I also think that dogs get the blame when its human error that's to blame in many cases, having strict muzzle laws etc would eliminate the risk.
The argument you put forward is a pretty selfish one what you are saying is Humans should be top of the tree fair enough personally and I'm not a greeny greeny type I prefer to live at one with nature and my surroundings. |
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« Reply #114 on: January 27, 2012, 10:33:54 PM » |
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The argument you put forward is a pretty selfish one what you are saying is Humans should be top of the tree fair enough personally and I'm not a greeny greeny type I prefer to live at one with nature and my surroundings.
It may be selfish, but lets be honest it's true. I'm as big an animal fan as you will find (season pass at the zoo and all that), but also as a father I understand the difference between animals and humans. We must live together as safely as possible. In a eutopian world we would all just roam amongst all animals, but that's not possible, in reality some animals attack people for no reason (most will not). However risk should be managed as much as possible. Dogs wearing a muzzle is not a big price to pay for safety, especially the safety of people who have not chosen to have a dog in thier lives. And from the point of a Father I know how I would react when I'm walking in the park with my boy and a dog comes bounding over near him. If it looked even slightly agressive I would take no chances, the dog would be told to F*ck off in no uncertain terms and the owner would know not to let the fuckin thing off a lead again. However if it were muzzled and i knew the worse that could happen was the dog knocking him over, i would be more relaxed and wouldn't automatically go on the offensive, surely that would create a better outcome all round. |
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« Reply #115 on: January 28, 2012, 11:17:43 AM » |
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It may be selfish, but lets be honest it's true. I'm as big an animal fan as you will find (season pass at the zoo and all that), but also as a father I understand the difference between animals and humans. We must live together as safely as possible. In a eutopian world we would all just roam amongst all animals, but that's not possible, in reality some animals attack people for no reason (most will not). However risk should be managed as much as possible. Dogs wearing a muzzle is not a big price to pay for safety, especially the safety of people who have not chosen to have a dog in thier lives.
And from the point of a Father I know how I would react when I'm walking in the park with my boy and a dog comes bounding over near him. If it looked even slightly agressive I would take no chances, the dog would be told to F*ck off in no uncertain terms and the owner would know not to let the fuckin thing off a lead again. However if it were muzzled and i knew the worse that could happen was the dog knocking him over, i would be more relaxed and wouldn't automatically go on the offensive, surely that would create a better outcome all round.
And then when your kid throws a stick and the dog just stands their looking at him with his muzzle on, you can feel real good about yourself |
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« Reply #116 on: January 28, 2012, 05:32:44 PM » |
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Ban the hideous monster beasts:  |
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