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[jimjack]

My first and last post on this thread... have tried to stay out of it but it's too tempting.
From the whole scenario a few things were very evident:
1) Chisora was the agressor.
2) Haye was a prick.
3) Chisora's scum like posse of twats should have prevented him getting to Haye.
4) Haye did what comes natural to fighters.
5) Both acted like twats but Chisora takes the edge with his vile work before the fight.
6) Chisora v Haye WILL happen.
7) It WILL sell out.

[Gibbo1]

Not really, business is one small part of that deal. Haye being his usual self (complete arrogant prick) is the rest.

Who in your eyes is more arrogant Aaron

Floyd Mayweather or David Haye

I personally put them on an even keel but interested on how you view it.

[Fightin Irish]

I say Floyd, but he backs it up!

[Aaron]

Who in your eyes is more arrogant Aaron

Floyd Mayweather or David Haye

I personally put them on an even keel but interested on how you view it.

Floyd backs his up mate and has far more to be arrogant about imo given that he is number one in the world, I also find Floyd funny as opposed to annoying for the most part.

That is just me, I am sure many others can't stand Floyd but like Haye.

I really hope the attitude of Haye never passes on to George Groves.

[Gibbo1]

so as long as you win in the ring you can be as arrogant a prick as you want but as soon as you lose the arrogance that some people lapped up whilst you were winning will no longer be tolerated.

just dont get it, really dont

[Gibbo1]

Gibbo,

I'm not arsed one way or the other - I'm entertained by it. BUT I can 100% see why people went cold on the braggart.

People have been absolutely saturated with Haye's promises for well over a year, as to what he was going to do to these 'big robots' the klitschko's.

People thought he bitched out the first fight, as Setanta sunk. Then people started getting angry when all these rumours of Audley were flying around - Adam Booth even lying to people at LV airport from this website just 4 days before they unveiled the fight. "No way were fighting Audley"

Then the gang rape and horrible approach had the public cheering for Audley.

But that pales in comparison to the rudeness he showed Wlad - he was as arrogant as anyone I've seen. It was a bit of pantomime at first, but he went way too far. With T-shirts of decapitation, telling him to have his mother and an ambulance ready at ringside. Magazine covers with mock heads.

Combining that with throwing IPhone app 'launch parties'  - and hosting a UK 'bookazine' tour with lots of likeable people in it like Rio Ferdinand.

Then sprawled out like king rat on the sofa of Paul O'grady, Alan Carr and Graham Norton.

Then a huge extravagant Miami camp, with Sky filming him every week running along the sunny beach outside his rented mansion.

Then arriving in Germany with his shades on, thousands of Brits cheering him on - he keeps Wlad waiting for 20 minutes then does his ring walk.

And ...... after a year of hype..... the bell goes !

He stumbles around the ring, and sits ducking and diving on the ropes for 12 long boring rounds. It sucked.

You can literally see the look of 'mugged' across so many fan's faces. But the huge nail in the coffin came when he blamed 'his little toe' for the entire thing !

It was absolutely ridiculed throughout the entire world - and upon arriving back in the UK he vanished to Jamaica for several months.

- and here is the real flip side, all the while Wlad's father was losing his battle with cancer. He literally held on to that last weekend to see his son win. He passed away a couple of days after. Wlad had an enourmous cloud over his life and he never mentioned it once. He was totally classy throughout.

He made two promises: to knock out David Haye in the last round, but regardless - he was going to teach David Haye a valuable lesson about being a decent, respectful human being. That was all he said during the build up.

Sure, we can state "it's all hyping the fight" but nah, that don't let him off the hook for many people I'm afraid.

To promise so much, then deliver so little = dislike 

And that's true of any scenario.

If he was confident, but respectful and just promised to win - and let the fight grow on its own merits, sure it might have sold 10% less at the box office and his performance might have been received better. And the toe, well he should declared it was fine before the fight or rescheduled - no way was that a smart move.

I guess its what people perceive to be entertaining.

I dont care much for seeing two fighters cuddling and high fiving before a contest so for me i enjoyed all the banter with the beheaded tshirts etc

it was what it was, im going to do what it takes to wind the klits up and id say that had Haye been a PR company working on a project for someone else his winding up was a 100% success.

This for me is about entertainment as a paying punter and as far as im concerned its much better to have some outside of the ring wind ups to ramp the promotion.

I was one of the many who got soaked in Hamburg.

Do I regret going there, absolutley not.

Would I do it again? 100% yes I would.

[Skav]

I was talking how times had changed regarding haye. Look at Bonters post from way back when, and since the defeat to klitschko it makes for interesting reading. Not singling out bonters as such as there are loads of people who have gone that way, it just so happened his post was the first i found which highlighted the point i was trying to make.

He let whole the country down?  

Yeh my mum and dad still go on about the day that changed theirs and the country's lives forever, every year we burn a candle to remember the sad day.

Are you serious, I think you really need to have a think about how much boxing must consume your life mate if you regard a heavyweight boxer losing a fight as letting the whole country down.

Seriously  

He may have let himself down and feel that he let his fans down but the whole country, get a grip mate and put things into perspective a little.

It does consume my life, much in the same way football consumes many other lives. Music consumes my friend's lives. Boxing's mine. I think you were a bit melodramatic about my last point, however. I don't think it's me that needs to get a grip! Haye got the whole country watching not just boxing fans in general, thousands travelled over to Germany for it and he turned away many of his former followers with his performance and so called excuse. If you want to still follow the guy then that's your prerogative.  

[RoadRunner]

Apert from the slap, which there was no excuse even though i think he did it (slap) to get VK out of his game plan.  I can see why Derek did it all..

1-Spitting the water at Wlad....After being used and let down just so Wlad could fight Haye, after 10 weeks or so of training.  Wlad then trys to intimidate Derek in the dressing room before this fight and kicks off about the wraps....My opinion Derek's got a reason to have a prob with Wlad.  Derek didnt single out Wlad in the ring did he? No, Wlad giving the big one (as expected) and Derek faced him off and spat the water, i like every one knows that was horrible and wrong but i can see why he did it.

2-Haye brawl-Haye shouldnt of been there from the start, they both bad mouth each other yes.  Derek walking over taking his jacket off........So what, half the time you see some one doing that you think they going to do jack shit, and thats what i would of thought if i was Haye given all the peaple and cameras there.  So what Derek was in Hayes face and pushed his hand in Hayes neck,  Haye is more than capible of beating Derek verbally and coulld of done no problem and he would of made Derek look a right muppet if he hadnt of thrown the 1st punch because Derek wouldnt of....it was all for show.  So in my eyes, Haye was the cause of this.

If you put yourself in Dereks shoes for the WHOLE fight/time of the fight being made, hes been told he shouldnt be fighting VK, doesnt deserve to be fighting him and NO ONE gave him any hope, plus all the shit off the Klits, Hayes commentor before the fight (if he ever heard about it)...Im team DC on this one.

I no two wrongs dont make a right but i can see why Derek did everything and dont blame him really..... apart from the slap.

[Aaron]

so as long as you win in the ring you can be as arrogant a prick as you want but as soon as you lose the arrogance that some people lapped up whilst you were winning will no longer be tolerated.

just dont get it, really dont

Come on Gibbo, you look at what Floyd and Haye have done in their respective careers it is a bit different from just he wins he loses so he can say this this and this. I did also say that I find Floyd funny where Haye is just embarrasing.

I also don't recall Floyd being anything like as bad with his remarks as Haye was in the build up to fights, sure he does say some shit but I don't recall him being as bad as what I am sure you have seen Haye.

The difference is also that Haye has been put in his place now yet still acts a prick, nobody has been good enough to put Floyd in his so we don't know what his reaction would be after defeat.

In the end it is how we take to people, personally Haye rubs me up the wrong way and I find find Floyd persona easier to let slide.

It is each to their own mate.

[styledoctor]

I guess its what people perceive to be entertaining.

I dont care much for seeing two fighters cuddling and high fiving before a contest so for me i enjoyed all the banter with the beheaded tshirts etc

it was what it was, im going to do what it takes to wind the klits up and id say that had Haye been a PR company working on a project for someone else his winding up was a 100% success.

This for me is about entertainment as a paying punter and as far as im concerned its much better to have some outside of the ring wind ups to ramp the promotion.

I was one of the many who got soaked in Hamburg.

Do I regret going there, absolutley not.

Would I do it again? 100% yes I would.

For a Haye fight? If the answer is yes you must be a mug. If no, then understandable, boxing is unpredictable and you pays your money, takes your choice etc

[Skav]

Come on Gibbo, you look at what Floyd and Haye have done in their respective careers it is a bit different from just he wins he loses so he can say this this and this. I did also say that I find Floyd funny where Haye is just embarrasing.

I also don't recall Floyd being anything like as bad with his remarks as Haye was in the build up to fights, sure he does say some shit but I don't recall him being as bad as what I am sure you have seen Haye.

The difference is also that Haye has been put in his place now yet still acts a prick, nobody has been good enough to put Floyd in his so we don't know what his reaction would be after defeat.

In the end it is how we take to people, personally Haye rubs me up the wrong way and I find find Floyd persona easier to let slide.

It is each to their own mate.

It would be better if Haye had started to appear more humble since the Wlad fight but he's still got that swagger and brashness about him and acts like nothing's ever happened. I don't blame Vitali or his manager for not giving him a match. He doesn't deserve it and it's blatant that Haye wants it to cash out, not redeem himself like he's said in articles. The Chisora v Haye match should happen. It's only fair that Haye gets to work for it.

[Aaron]

For those who would give the tool their money again and travel to god knows where to support him then fair enough, you can not call that kind of support. As I am not a fan of the guy and given his last showing I can not fully understand it in some ways, but it is what makes us Brits the best boxing fans in world boxing imo.

[Bonters]

If people went to Germany to watch Haye win, then came away hating and/or disliking him for losing they need to have a word with themselves.

They didn't, it was the nature of the abject surrender, together with the 'toe' excuse!  And after giving it all the fat-gob stuff.  He was pathetic, and so justifies the ridicule.  End of

[Gibbo1]

For a Haye fight? If the answer is yes you must be a mug. If no, then understandable, boxing is unpredictable and you pays your money, takes your choice etc

Yeh, I had a cracking weekend in Hamburg and of course I was disappointed that the fight didnt go the way we expected but it wasnt that bad a fight god we have witnessed a lot worse.

How does that make me a mug?

[Gibbo1]

It does consume my life, much in the same way football consumes many other lives. Music consumes my friend's lives. Boxing's mine. I think you were a bit melodramatic about my last point, however. I don't think it's me that needs to get a grip! Haye got the whole country watching not just boxing fans in general, thousands travelled over to Germany for it and he turned away many of his former followers with his performance and so called excuse. If you want to still follow the guy then that's your prerogative. 

Your the one who said he let the whole country down yet im the one being melodramatic?