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[lurkyshaka]

Khan being handed back his titles simply isn't right imo.....and its a pointless move as he and Lamont are fighting again anyway.

My feelings on the first Khan/Peterson fight......well i thought the referee was crap, and knew he was going to be a tosser soon as he was shouting like a demented buffoon when calling the fighters to mid ring just prior to first bell.

And i definitely think something was amiss with that hat wearing f*cker shoving his nose in where it wasn't supposed to be during the fight, then the delay in the cards being announced and the scribbles on the cards, well it all just left an unsatisfactory feeling.

But on Peterson getting the nod, well it was a very close fight and he fought his heart out. I certainly don't begrudge him his success. It wasn't a robbery by any stretch. It was a fight that could have went either way. But it was also a very entertaining fight and controversial enough to warrant an immediate return, and i'm glad that's whats happening. Hopefully the controversy gets cleared up this time one way or the other.

I have great respect for Lamont Peterson. He's a skillful, gutsy fella and he'll bring it fire and brimstone again. But i do think Khan overlooked him a bit the first time, and this time we'll see Khan do the job he should have done first go round. I think he'll win the return comfortably, and it should be by stoppage if he gets the plan right.

I'm not concerned with the strange actions of the alpha bandits, i'm just happy another good fight is happening!

[Gadje]

Good post Lurky!

Regarding Answers assertion that the fight has defined how far either fighter can go, you simply cannot be sure with Khan. He is still young enough to improve. Some of his abilities are really top drawer however a large part of his game is very weak at worldclass level, Peterson showed this up. But styles make fights. Even with great fighters I can't think of one who in the time I have watched this sport that hasn't badly struggled against a fighter he should outclass, then get's immedately written off by some 'fans'. It happens all the time at all levels in the sport.

As a Bradley fan you can rightly emphasise he looks top of the tree in the Alexander, Maidana, Peterson, Khan, Kotelnik 'good but not elite' group. Alexander beat (a fleshy) Maidana easily, making Khan look bad in comparison but you fail to mention how the East European beat but was robbed against an at home Alexander. Yet Kotelnik was beaten comfortably by Khan. You just can't draw simple conclusions like that.

Bradley is a good inside pressure fighter which is Khans weakness, but Timothy although as strong is not tall and rangey like Peterson. Khan's long, fast jabs and combos might be more effective at keeping off wee Timmy than they were against Peterson. If their next fights go as I think hopefully they will fight soon...should be a belter! Let's see.

[lurkyshaka]

Good post Lurky!

Regarding Answers assertion that the fight has defined how far either fighter can go, you simply cannot be sure with Khan. He is still young enough to improve. Some of his abilities are really top drawer however a large part of his game is very weak at worldclass level, Peterson showed this up. But styles make fights. Even with great fighters I can't think of one who in the time I have watched this sport that hasn't badly struggled against a fighter he should outclass, then get's immedately written off by some 'fans'. It happens all the time at all levels in the sport.

As a Bradley fan you can rightly emphasise he looks top of the tree in the Alexander, Maidana, Peterson, Khan, Kotelnik 'good but not elite' group. Alexander beat (a fleshy) Maidana easily, making Khan look bad in comparison but you fail to mention how the East European beat but was robbed against an at home Alexander. Yet Kotelnik was beaten comfortably by Khan. You just can't draw simple conclusions like that.

Bradley is a good inside pressure fighter which is Khans weakness, but Timothy although as strong is not tall and rangey like Peterson. Khan's long, fast jabs and combos might be more effective at keeping off wee Timmy than they were against Peterson. If their next fights go as I think hopefully they will fight soon...should be a belter! Let's see.

Back at you mate...good post yourself.

I think the old adage styles make fights is something that so often rings true in this sport. Its rock, paper scissors with blood and gloves.

Imo though Khan is undoubtedly vulnerable and flawed, he has some attributes that mean he has the 'potential' to beat just about anyone. With Khan its all about harnessing his abilities correctly for each given fight.

His gifts go along way to masking the flaws 'if'(and its a big if)....they are channeled correctly.

I've always said that with Khan he could beat anyone out there if gets it right, but equally so it'd never shock me to see him chinned by a complete nobody. He's that gifted but also that flawed.

[Red]

Its the "fair and square" part that has opinions divided red. That's why a rematch is necessary.

I would say fair and square would be khans outing against prescott. This one was a close decision win in controversial circumstances.

Also I don't understand why you refer to Peterson as a "Bum". Why the animosity toward Peterson
All because he registered a loss against Bradley... why is that so embarrassing ??

It implies that Tim Bradley is a waste of space and losing against him makes you worthless as a boxer.

I think you need to give Peterson his dues, seriously. 

Ive no problem with a rematch, it was a very close fight.

With regards Peterson being a bum - that's more what Team Khan thought going into it.

They hardly muttered his name in the build-up, it was Floyd this and Floyd that - they were absolutely convinced it would be a stoppage or a total shut-out.

They over estimate Amir's ability by about 50-60% and peg him at Bradley, Pac and Floyd's level when he is nowhere near that calibre. He's always talking about fame, what his sponsors are giving him and how he has this car and so forth - but it's all built on shaky foundations.

In financial terms Amir is a success, but he is an accident waiting to happen when the bell goes. He has speed but does not have the metal inside him to fight the elite.

At one point he looked like he was growing and learning - but then he falls flat on his face again.

Ortiz, Bradley etc are all bad fights for him. I'd fancy Ortiz to knock him out at 147.

They'll gun for an old Erik Morales afterwards if they beat Peterson imo. Which is another pointless event but will keep the Team Khan show in finances for the remainder of the year.

[Gadje]

Dunno about them thinking it was easy Red. Seem to recall at least Freddie saying before the fight that it could be Khans most dangerous opponent yet. Whether he meant is another thing of course. I saw several people think this matchup potentially hard for Khan. I even thought myself Peterson was big and fast enough to possibly chin him, timing him with a hook coming in on Amirs pitter patter charges or with that good right hand that Lamont has too. As it was Amir did take plenty but took them.

And to question his metal is way off the mark. He doesn't stay in the pocket because he can't fight there well enough. His solution isn't a good one but the lad never stops trying, he has no quit in him. Even when he was chinned the second time by Prescott the fecker was still trying to get back up to fight .

His natural talents, vulnerabilities and determination are what make most of his fights exciting and worth watching. So i'll be supporting the lad and for what it's worth for me his character is fine too. Not that I really give a shit, it is for his boxing that I watch him. However Justin Beiber I follow all he says.

[The_Answer]

Come on guys... it's all well and good sitting on the fence and patting each others back for it. Saying things like Khan can beat anyone but possibly he can't because he's flawed...

The fact of the matter remains that Khan has nowhere to go after Peterson without like Red says a poor Morales match up. If Khan steps up to welterweight the pressure fighters up there will hockey him around the ring...

[Gadje]

Depends on your character and how you see things doesn't it. Some boxing forum posters make huge predictions about competitive fights with great assurity and crow about it when right, often ignoring it however when they get it wrong (half the time?) although occasional in here they having to change their sig.
I can't delude myself that much that after over 30 years of watching boxing I always know the outcome of a fight. It has taught me the opposite and that is frankly something I enjoy...not knowing for sure. If you get a kick out of calling a fight correctly or not, fine by me. Until I get my crystal ball I'll stick to being on the fence when I feel it could go either fighters way. I watch boxing to enjoy the fight not to prove I'm right.

[The_Answer]

Depends on your character and how you see things doesn't it. Some boxing forum posters make huge predictions about competitive fights with great assurity and crow about it when right, often ignoring it however when they get it wrong (half the time?) although occasional in here they having to change their sig.
I can't delude myself that much that after over 30 years of watching boxing I always know the outcome of a fight. It has taught me the opposite and that is frankly something I enjoy...not knowing for sure. If you get a kick out of calling a fight correctly or not, fine by me. Until I get my crystal ball I'll stick to being on the fence when I feel it could go either fighters way. I watch boxing to enjoy the fight not to prove I'm right.

Everyone has an opinion or a prediction to a certain fight or fighter some like to share, some like to exaggerate and some don't share at all... none really bother me. What bothers me is the people who are happy to categorize people as haters or as being biased but are not prepared or brave enough to share there own thoughts on outcomes through fear of being wrong or being criticised. Amir Khan seems to be a magnet for this carrying on and it's not hard to see why... there fans of Amir but realise he's not the most sturdiest of baskets to hold all your eggs in.

As for me i've never changed my username since joining livefight a few years back. I'm happy to both make predictions/opinions and take the flack for being wrong. A prime example was the Haye v Wlad fight... i posted the following morning about how bad it felt and how i was ready to accept criticism.

What i'm not asking is for yourself or Lurky to predict the future. All i wanted is for people to look at what evidence we have seen of Khan's career the getting floored several times, being knocked out in a minute, looking poor against Mccloskey, avoiding a corner stoppage or tko by the skin of his teeth against Maidana and more recently losing to contender level fighter in Peterson. Taking all of that into account it doesn't take a crystal ball or even a bold prediction to realise another step up in class for Khan or even a move to welterweight is very bad news for him.

[Red]

Agree 100%

[jimjack]

@ the answer, great post and agree completely regarding opinions. Mine is that khan's optimum weight is 140, and a move up will do him no favours. I also think at 140 he still had the capabilities to be a world champion with longevity. At 140 he beats Bradley IMO, at 147 we could see a different outcome.
As far as his previous fights where he had failed to deliver then look no further than one of the best fighters ever, Lennox Lewis, when he underestimated he looked shit... On his game shit hot!

[Fightin Irish]

I know it's each to their own but I can't see on any known form lines how Khan beats Bradley, and on a line through the Peterson form I can see it even less??

[jimjack]

I know it's each to their own but I can't see on any known form lines how Khan beats Bradley, and on a line through the Peterson form I can see it even less??

I can understand that mate, but I equally don't see am aspect of Bradley which is superior to khan... Other than chin.

[Fightin Irish]

I think he's Khans worst nightmare, he's fast aggressive, dirty at times and in your face, has the stamina to fight at pace for 12 rounds, may not be better at any one thing than Khan, but for me Khan has never looked all that anyway, he's overhyped to death!!

[jimjack]

I think he's Khans worst nightmare, he's fast aggressive, dirty at times and in your face, has the stamina to fight at pace for 12 rounds, may not be better at any one thing than Khan, but for me Khan has never looked all that anyway, he's overhyped to death!!

I don't think khan is overhyped, he's as talented a fighter from the uk as we have had for a long time. The areas he has fallen down is the areas you cannot really determine... Attitude. On his game he puts mist people away, against Bradley his attitude would be right and Bradley would lose for me.

[The_Answer]

I don't think khan is overhyped, he's as talented a fighter from the uk as we have had for a long time. The areas he has fallen down is the areas you cannot really determine... Attitude. On his game he puts mist people away, against Bradley his attitude would be right and Bradley would lose for me.

What makes you think that Jim? Khan has been nowhere near an opponent Bradleys level so what would make you think he could handle the pressure of his biggest test to date? When lets face it handling pressure in the ring is Amir's weak spot. On the other hand you can argue Bradley has been in with and comfortably beat two opponents arguably as good as Khan certainly on his level in Peterson and Alexander.

I would advise watching the first few rounds of the Peterson v Bradley fight that kind of pressure Bradley laid on Peterson would have Khan laying an egg.. Peterson was bullied.