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« on: April 14, 2012, 06:25:30 PM » |
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Did anyone watch this? I caught a repeat this morning and was shocked by the arrogance and naiviety shown by Adam and Johnny.
I'm no fan of MMA but the lack of respect shown to it was really surprising, and indicative of why boxing is on its arse at the moment.
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« on: April 14, 2012, 06:25:30 PM » |
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2012, 06:31:04 PM » |
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I was disgusted at the fact that this was even mentioned on Ringside, nobody needs to to compare the two sports as their nothing alike. The UFC needs to get fooked. Adam and Johnny didn't give out enough to be honest. Why mention it ffs. 
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2012, 06:36:32 PM » |
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I didnt see it. Because I cannot stand Adam Smith and Johnny Nelson together. I hate that show. Haven't watched it all year.
Adam Smith takes life too seriously. Johnny Nelson should not be allowed on TV. McGuigan, Watt, Piper and Dempsey - that's all I want. And maybe McCrory - not because I value his opinion, but just because he's a nice guy and I'd like to see him make a living.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2012, 07:32:05 PM » |
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I didnt see it. Because I cannot stand Adam Smith and Johnny Nelson together. I hate that show. Haven't watched it all year.
Adam Smith takes life too seriously. Johnny Nelson should not be allowed on TV. McGuigan, Watt, Piper and Dempsey - that's all I want. And maybe McCrory - not because I value his opinion, but just because he's a nice guy and I'd like to see him make a living.
mcrory is sound, cant stand mcguigan, watt or piper, but bunsey is the DON
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2012, 07:34:12 PM » |
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Also, for me mma is much more exciting than boxing, not the actual art form, but the match ups and the fact that fights just get made and theres no fixing or ducking
if manny and floyd were in ufc they would get fkd right off out of the sport
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 07:37:35 PM » |
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Not a fan of UFC, but neither am I a fan of baseball... Both have no relevance to boxing and should be left out of boxing programmes. Like match of the day talking about rugby, no point.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2012, 08:23:12 PM » |
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I was disgusted at the fact that this was even mentioned on Ringside, nobody needs to to compare the two sports as their nothing alike. The UFC needs to get fooked. Adam and Johnny didn't give out enough to be honest. Why mention it ffs.  It'd have been a relevent debate about three years ago, but it seems strange now. I agree it's two different sports with (largely) different fan bases. To simply brush it off as nothing though is just sticking your head in the sand.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 09:03:49 PM » |
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I have seen people in both sports slag the other off for no reason. Bob Arum called it a sport for ''white skinheads'' and Joe Rogan and Dana White have both enjoyed calling Boxing a dying sport. I honestly don't see the comparisons at all Boxing promoters could learn a huge amount by the way the UFC run its business, sell tickets, merchandise, match make and get corporate sponsors on board. The UFC to me as slightly dipped in appeal over the last 2 years. They match some great fighters together but for every great fight there is some proper boring ones too often in title fights. The UFC will probably go through a transitional period soon now the major names like Rampage, Liddell, Lesner, Hughes, Henderson, Penn and a few others no longer are with the company fighting. They still have a strangehold on MMA talent and have great fighters like Jones, GSP, Silva and many more but one should note that putting on PPV's with no titles at stake will only last for so long.
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2012, 10:57:26 PM » |
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I think when you look at the grass roots it is a very real threat to boxing, all the kids seem to go to MMA now as on the whole it is more publicised and bigger fights happen more often.
That guy was saying how it is fading here is not relevant, in the countries that teach its main modern day disciplines it is huge. Jones, gsp, Silva, Henderson, wan Silva, dos Santos could all headline an event against a none threatening opponent and sell out an arena. How many modern day boxers could
Manny and Floyd leaving boxing really worries me as the casual fan does nit care for anyone else and the sport does need those fans.
Outside of the welters most boxers get six or seven k attendances in double that arenas, I think it us stupid to say that means nothing.
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2012, 11:05:20 PM » |
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I can see the reason for debate and there are valid points in both sides.
It is a big sport stateside and it is well run with the best facing the best in most cases. But a big fight doesn't generate the same worldwide as boxing does.
If heavyweight boxing had a Tyson right now MMA would struggle for publicity in the states IMO, and it's exactly that, that it gets in the states at present. But in comparison as pointed out on ringside they have invested heavily in marketing the sport worldwide but it hasn't latched securely like in the UK, there isn't the talent worldwide for it to get a grip hold.
There isn't a grassroots system similar the British boxing. Quite a few people on the street can name a British boxing champion (British level even) but I couldn't name one British MMA star other than bisping?
I have no problem with MMA and il watch it if it's on, even stay up for a 2am show. But I wouldn't have even known it was on tonight at 10pm if my bro hadn't have told me. MMA may be ale to compete somewhat in the states but when it comes to the big fights it's blown out of the water. And the talent pool worldwide isn't big enough.
It's hard to zero in on but MMA may be a multi discipline sport but it does seem to have a thinner talent spread in what it takes to become top class. Ok a world class MMA fight probably beats a world class boxing fighter in a street fight because as soon as its on the ground it's game over. But then again there's a lot of high quality boxers and perhaps not the same MMA level. (maybe this is my ignorance to MMA tho)
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2012, 11:14:09 PM » |
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Aaron I don't think outside of the Welters and the loss of manny and floyd that boxing will all on its backside,
Promoters will sell the next big thing to you, the next big yank amateur or A decent cuban.
And you say kids are growing to grass routes MMA instead of grass routes boxing? I can't really see that at least not where I'm from. Just think parents will look at MMA and see the brutality at times and unless they're an MMA family the child won't be pushed towards it.
The MMA I see local is grappling only (I.e. only) and its majorly minority no small shows in Wales in fact the local guys have to travel to England regularly to 'fight' and even then they're lucky to get enough competirors or even 1 guy in their weight class. It may be building in the states but by global standards their isn't enough talent. And at present I think ul struggle to see talent outside of the states, brazil and a few Asian countries. And even then our heavyweight big sellers are most likely limited o the yank fighters.
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2012, 11:21:04 PM » |
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I think the likes of my generation though will lean towards MMA pal, it is continuing to grow while boxing treads water.
shit like boxnation does not help, you would not know mayweather was on in a few weeks unless u kept tabs on the sport a little.
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2012, 11:29:26 PM » |
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Wait until there is a yank or brit heavyweight dominating / exciting. Big deal what kids go in to etc...it's all bs, because football has always been first choice for most kids.
Every kid had a crack of different sports, its not like its anything new, ufc is a cameo its had its hay-day already. Boxing is waiting for a new generation, its like Man United - they have Rooney, who is there superstar to hold onto for a few more years, but the old boys are fading away, they don't seem as dominant but when they get the new blood and a few hidden gems, they're back to dominance again.
Teams / people cant stay at the top forever, but Boxing is a gladiatorial sport, its an OLYMPIC sport. It just can't be dismantled. Wait for a couple of years, some great fighters are going to be booming in from somewhere.
Look at the cubans, Cubans as pro's is un-heard of ! They're all turning pro now. Boxing will be back too its best soon enough.
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2012, 11:30:18 PM » |
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How old are you?
I'm 25 but have mates 18-40. And I can probably name 1or2 other than my bro who could tell me who the UfC champ is for more than 1 weight, whereas I've prob got at least 20 who could name a boxing world champ. And half could prob name a British level champ.
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2012, 11:32:52 PM » |
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Wait until there is a yank or brit heavyweight dominating / exciting. Big deal what kids go in to etc...it's all bs, because football has always been first choice for most kids.
Every kid had a crack of different sports, its not like its anything new, ufc is a cameo its had its hay-day already. Boxing is waiting for a new generation, its like Man United - they have Rooney, who is there superstar to hold onto for a few more years, but the old boys are fading away, they don't seem as dominant but when they get the new blood and a few hidden gems, they're back to dominance again.
Teams / people cant stay at the top forever, but Boxing is a gladiatorial sport, its an OLYMPIC sport. It just can't be dismantled. Wait for a couple of years, some great fighters are going to be booming in from somewhere.
Look at the cubans, Cubans as pro's is un-heard of ! They're all turning pro now. Boxing will be back too its best soon enough.
The UFC is selling out everywhere it goes, it is not sliding away anytime soon. Am 23 tweet, all my mates talk and train MMA more than they do boxing.
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