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« Reply #90 on: May 06, 2012, 04:59:38 PM » |
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I would quite like the see the Cotto vs Manny rematch now with Diaz training Cotto, for me even in last nights performance he is much sharper and faster than he was and most importantly a hell of a lot fitter which even Floyd made reference too.
It is a good fight which at 154 would start as Manny favourite but I would certainly not be writing Cotto off like I did for him against Floyd. Shame we won't see it though now Cotto has seen the light and fecked Arum off.
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« Reply #91 on: May 06, 2012, 05:03:00 PM » |
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I would quite like the see the Cotto vs Manny rematch now with Diaz training Cotto, for me even in last nights performance he is much sharper and faster than he was and most importantly a hell of a lot fitter which even Floyd made reference too.
It is a good fight which at 154 would start as Manny favourite but I would certainly not be writing Cotto off like I did for him against Floyd. Shame we won't see it though now Cotto has seen the light and fecked Arum off.
I have a suspicion that arum will not let manny fight cotto at 154lb... even if it is for a record 8th weight class for manny. Certainly not before the mega money fight anyhow. |
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« Reply #92 on: May 06, 2012, 05:08:44 PM » |
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I would quite like the see the Cotto vs Manny rematch now with Diaz training Cotto, for me even in last nights performance he is much sharper and faster than he was and most importantly a hell of a lot fitter which even Floyd made reference too.
It is a good fight which at 154 would start as Manny favourite but I would certainly not be writing Cotto off like I did for him against Floyd. Shame we won't see it though now Cotto has seen the light and fecked Arum off.
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« Reply #93 on: May 06, 2012, 05:17:25 PM » |
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I have a suspicion that arum will not let manny fight cotto at 154lb... even if it is for a record 8th weight class for manny. Certainly not before the mega money fight anyhow.
Manny already won the WBC Light-Middleweight Title? Catch weight and all as per usual but it was still down as the 8th weight class. |
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« Reply #95 on: May 06, 2012, 05:57:35 PM » |
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Manny already won the WBC Light-Middleweight Title? Catch weight and all as per usual but it was still down as the 8th weight class.
So he did.... I guess manny should just fight Martinez at 154lb to secure the middleweight title then. |
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« Reply #96 on: May 06, 2012, 07:13:06 PM » |
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I would quite like the see the Cotto vs Manny rematch now with Diaz training Cotto, for me even in last nights performance he is much sharper and faster than he was and most importantly a hell of a lot fitter which even Floyd made reference too.
It is a good fight which at 154 would start as Manny favourite but I would certainly not be writing Cotto off like I did for him against Floyd. Shame we won't see it though now Cotto has seen the light and fecked Arum off.
me to id love 2 see revenge against pac cotto would defo beat him a l/m but it wont ever happen arum will never let him near cotto at the correct wait. cotto beaten only once and that was last night |
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« Reply #97 on: May 06, 2012, 07:27:53 PM » |
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Cotto last night would also beat Alvarez imo.
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« Reply #98 on: May 06, 2012, 07:42:42 PM » |
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Cotto last night would also beat Alvarez imo.
i said same to my mate when we watched last night i just wonder what cotto will do now he didnt show up for the post fight presser,he says on his twiter he beleives he won and that he walked out and didnt give an interveiw in the ring because he thought he won i read that on another forum |
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« Reply #99 on: May 06, 2012, 08:11:20 PM » |
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Don't get me wrong, Mayweather bossed that fight, I scored it 118-110, but there's some real Mayweather cock sucking going on in this thread.
"Mayweather was only on the ropes because he wanted to be there." What's next, Mayweather only got punched in the face and had his nose busted up because he thought it'd be entertaining for the fans? Garbage, and people who think so should have their heads examined.
The fight was good because Cotto got in Mayweather's face and made it good. Also, Floyd's defense - which is masterful - actually doesn't work when moving. He has to be fairly stationary to pivot his body when people flurry on him. This was nothing like Marquez, where Mayweather DID chose to let Marquez flurry to see what he had. This was Cotto hitting to the body - more successfully than I can recall anybody else doing against Mayweather - then unloading up top, forcing Mayweather to plant and pivot. He was never on the ropes because he wanted to be. He did not get his nose busted up because he wanted it to be so. Get that out of your thick skulls.
Floyd looked a little ragged not long after Cotto's best success (rounds 6,8). The pace was pretty tough and he was being hit far more than he was accustomed to - moreso by jabs and body shots than the head hunting power shots which he generally avoided/blocked or took the pace off them. Floyd's normally exquisite coordination seemed to be leaving him, but he pulled it back together for the championship stretch and resumed control.
I think Cotto's corner pulled a Nacho on him. "You're winning son!" And the foot came off the gas, just when it needed to be hard on it. Not meaning to diminish Mayweather's impressive offense and his ability to fight Cotto off him, but I think Cotto had a bit more in the tank rounds 9-10, but took a break. Saying that, when he did try to really open up in the 12th, he got rocked badly. That was actually great sportsmanship from Mayweather, who I'm convinced knew he had Cotto for the taking and let him finish the fight.
Great fight, but lets get real lads, it was a great fight because 2 people were making it so, and not because 1 chose to be punched in the face more than he normally does. I just can't believe how sycophantic some of you are.
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« Reply #100 on: May 06, 2012, 08:17:42 PM » |
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Manny isn't a light middle weight, Floyd isn't one either, neither is Cotto. They are fighting these weights for money and to stack titles and for sure because no natural welter, super welterweights are greats at this time. Put a 147-154 Hearns, SRL in there now and they would still be trying to squeeze out light welterweight or retire. Two career lightweights and a dunno what in Pac.
Look at Hagler; career middleweight and stayed there to retirement. I don't like small men fighting at weights there body size shouldn't allow because nobody is good enough at the higher weight. And then all this catchweight crap comes.
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« Reply #101 on: May 06, 2012, 08:20:08 PM » |
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Have not yet watched the fight. I am a cotto fan and would have liked to see him shock mayweather but im just pleased to read from the majority of posters that Cotto credited himself in the ring by giving Mayweather a few problems but also to hear that Floyd was at his best before he begins his jail sentence.
Here's for hoping he can show the form that many claim he showed last night in the fight we all want to see.
Looking forward to eventually watching the fight as although it may have been comfortable it definately sounds enjoyable to watch the master at work again.
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« Reply #102 on: May 06, 2012, 08:30:28 PM » |
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Manny isn't a light middle weight, Floyd isn't one either, neither is Cotto. They are fighting these weights for money and to stack titles and for sure because no natural welter, super welterweights are greats at this time. Put a 147-154 Hearns, SRL in there now and they would still be trying to squeeze out light welterweight or retire. Two career lightweights and a dunno what in Pac.
Look at Hagler; career middleweight and stayed there to retirement. I don't like small men fighting at weights there body size shouldn't allow because nobody is good enough at the higher weight. And then all this catchweight crap comes.
I agree on the light middleweight front. Each of them could make welter. But I wouldn't say Floyd and Cotto are career lightweights. In fact Cotto has never fought at lightweight that I'm aware of. Leonard moved up through weights also to get more belts and more big fights. What is the point in trying to stay at a weight and stagnate if you have fought the best there? Halger was lucky to have a stream of good opponents at middleweight. And you also have to ask yourself how his legacy would stand if Duran, Hearns and Leonard all hadn't moved up through the weights to fight him? |
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« Reply #103 on: May 06, 2012, 08:48:06 PM » |
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I agree on the light middleweight front. Each of them could make welter. But I wouldn't say Floyd and Cotto are career lightweights. In fact Cotto has never fought at lightweight that I'm aware of.
Leonard moved up through weights also to get more belts and more big fights.
What is the point in trying to stay at a weight and stagnate if you have fought the best there? Halger was lucky to have a stream of good opponents at middleweight. And you also have to ask yourself how his legacy would stand if Duran, Hearns and Leonard all hadn't moved up through the weights to fight him?
Cotto was 140lbs and up. Mayweather 130lbs and up. Pacquiao 112lbs and up. |
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« Reply #104 on: May 06, 2012, 09:01:25 PM » |
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Cotto was 140lbs and up. Mayweather 130lbs and up. Pacquiao 112lbs and up. I know mate. That was my general point.  Although perhaps Floyd's best fights came at 135lbs. |
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