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[lacson]

Floyd should get the bigger slice because he is his own boss. He as no promoter taking 35% away from his earnings so how can Pacquaio ask for 50/50 when Pacquaio is under contract with Top Rank. Manny as done big numbers not as big as Floyd but his net pay is far smaller than Floyd's.
Mayweather could get $60 million for the Cotto fight Pacquaio will probably never see 1/3 of that when he fights Bradley. Floyd is bang on about getting 60% and Manny 40% purely because 40% of a large pot will give Manny his far biggest purse where Floyd could fight Khan or Brook next and still make $50 million regardless.
Mayweather as proved in recent fights he don't need a dance partner propping him up he is the man the people buy into his PPV's. Pacquaio was offered $40 million and turned down because of one reason only he was going to have to sort out Arum's slice of the pie.

Put Mayweather in with another black boxer and see his real drawing power.

He has been using Mexicans and Latinos to draw from. Those groups are the biggest boxing fans in the US. He has also been making sure that May 5, a Mexican holiday is always booked by him. On top of that he makes sure his undercard will have another big name Mexican in it.

You need to see behind the facade. Except for his past few fights, his style was something not too many Mexicans would watch. He needed a Mexican to draw that crowd.

[lacson]

Problem is every one knows Mayweather beats Pacman, if Pacman was at his absolute drugs induced prime and Mayweather is say, 2 to 3 years down the road then he has a good chance.


Pac man will get paid very well to fight and lose vs Mayweather but he is stepping in vs no1 p4p.

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Everyone knows?

You mean every Floyd fan knows. Too bad Mayweather don't know. Maybe you should remind him.

[cocksuckinknowitall]

Floyd should get the bigger slice because he is his own boss.

That logic is retarded mate, sorry to tell ya.

What next, Pacquiao complains about Ellerbe's piece of the pie?  In a 50/50 split, however each party chooses to distribute his money is up to him.  What if one of the fighters decided to give 20% to charity, could the other object?  Come on.

Pacquiao has his costs, his promoter being one of them.  I see Floyd's principle that he doesn't want to make Arum money, but he has no right to demand how Pacquiao spends his money - including who he pays for the fight.

Now perhaps the issue is Mayweather promotions wants full control and Arum to have no control over the show?  That's a different topic and not one I've heard discussed, but one that seems to be simmering under the surface.

[Skav]

Put Mayweather in with another black boxer and see his real drawing power.

He has been using Mexicans and Latinos to draw from. Those groups are the biggest boxing fans in the US. He has also been making sure that May 5, a Mexican holiday is always booked by him. On top of that he makes sure his undercard will have another big name Mexican in it.

You need to see behind the facade. Except for his past few fights, his style was something not too many Mexicans would watch. He needed a Mexican to draw that crowd.

You are right. I don't believe Floyd can just fight anybody and expect to make the type of money he's rolling in now. I said this before about Floyd carefully choosing the opponents that rake in the cash. Oscar, Hatton, Marquez, Ortiz (his popularity shot up quickly overnight with his Berto victory as everybody thought he grew a new heart) and recently Cotto. The only one was Mosley who has never been a pay per view star, however, he was coming off the Margarito win which everybody got excited about.

Put Floyd in with Brook, I'd love to see the numbers. Floyd a superstar? A lot of people would say so. But let him do a Muhammad Ali and fight a Chuck Wepner and see what happens.

In regards to the thread subject, there's been a bunch of excuses from both sides that have hindered the fight, not just one.

Random testing, Arum saying Manny's cut wouldn't heal for May, the 50/50 thing, Floyd saying his health would be at risk if he fought Manny, Arum saying the outdoor stadium could not be built in time for May 5th, Leonard Ellerbe denying that negotiations ever took place between both sides......well, you get the idea.

Those who believe that the money split is stopping the fight are gullible, IMO.

[Mal]

Problem is every one knows Mayweather beats Pacman, if Pacman was at his absolute drugs induced prime and Mayweather is say, 2 to 3 years down the road then he has a good chance.


Pac man will get paid very well to fight and lose vs Mayweather but he is stepping in vs no1 p4p.

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Un-farking-believable. Did you just think that all up by yourself? Amazing! What's even more remarkable is you managed to do so without quoting Dwyer for a change.

I think 55-45 is reasonable aswell. The reality is Floyd is set for life, he has enough money to last his family times over. I don't see the need to be so greedy, it's not as if he'll be able to spend it all in his life time anyway so why not stop with the duck tactics and make a fairer offer, give the fans what they want. If he doesn't want to fight the man which to me is so blindly obvious it ain't funny, just say so and admit it, it would save all hassle and confirm what I already know.

The sad thing is he has basically admitted he is scared for his health and made enough excuses to indicate to anyone who ain't blinded by love that he doesn't want to fight. He sends out mixed signals with nearly every interview he does, basically admitting everytime that he's against it for so many lame reasons.

If he truly believed deep down that he could beat Manny on any given day, we'd have already seen this fight by now.

I find it comical that Hatton only had to mock him in a light hearted manner after the Castillo win for Floyd to want to shut his mouth, for an even purse yeah?, and yet for the biggest fight of the last 20 years, the fight the boxing world has wanted most he continually rail roads it with excuse after excuse. The excuses just keep on coming and get rehashed.

He says yes to a 50-50 split when the test garbage was still in play, then back peddled on it when it was set to go with Manny agreeing.

Pac's team offered him an even split with an added bonus for the winner, if he's that confident of winning why not accept it and get on with it? The sheer greed, or should I say, 'cop out' of more money for him is a blind as to his real motives, keep stalling for time in the hope it all just goes away.

One thing I find truly funny is that of Mayweather fans (More so the fanatics) who do more time defending his greedy ways then actually wanting to see the fight. Do you want to see the fight or don't you? If so jump on his facecrap page and call him out on it, he ain't exactly doing anyone any favours by being so selfish is he. It's not as if you will see a dollar of what he makes by defending his duck ways. 

From a fans point, I just want to see the fight, well................ See Fraud butchered more like it. I believe 55-45 split is fair, and I'd be dissapointed in Pac if he turned that offer down. I can't see Floyd offering that offer though for fear it may well be accepted. Such a shame, he'd have more then likely have won. I guess we'll never know the result, but one thing for sure, he has the power to make this fight in a flash just by being reasonable.

[cocksuckinknowitall]

Put Mayweather in with another black boxer and see his real drawing power.

He has been using Mexicans and Latinos to draw from. Those groups are the biggest boxing fans in the US. He has also been making sure that May 5, a Mexican holiday is always booked by him. On top of that he makes sure his undercard will have another big name Mexican in it.

You need to see behind the facade. Except for his past few fights, his style was something not too many Mexicans would watch. He needed a Mexican to draw that crowd.

QFT.  Mayweather and his PPV numbers are one of the biggest myths in boxing.  He also keenly forgets who is more popular outside of America, although to him only America matters.  As he says, where was Manny Pacquiao in 1998?  (Hint: winning a world title somewhere in Asia.)

[hardknocklife]

50/50 is completely justified. Floyd maybe PPV king but when it comes to the live gate, I can't recall the last time Floyd had more fans in the audience than his opponent.

[Gibbo1]

I find it comical that Hatton only had to mock him in a light hearted manner after the Castillo win for Floyd to want to shut his mouth, for an even purse yeah?,

Well that is where the public's lack of knowledge comes into it. The Hatton camp and the floyd camp had talked about the fight for 2 years but had agreed to let it build. After he beat Castillo they knew the time was right and thats why ricky called him out to get the public buzzing for the fight

[Gibbo1]

QFT.  Mayweather and his PPV numbers are one of the biggest myths in boxing.  He also keenly forgets who is more popular outside of America, although to him only America matters.  As he says, where was Manny Pacquiao in 1998?  (Hint: winning a world title somewhere in Asia.)

I dont get this myth thing.

If he sells 2 million for the cotto fight against mannys 1.5 million are you saying that an extra 500,000 cotto fans tuned in this time?

The buyers may solely be tuning in to see floyd get beat and not be a fan of cottos but that to me still equates to floyd bringing in the numbers.

[Tito]

Put Mayweather in with another black boxer and see his real drawing power.

He has been using Mexicans and Latinos to draw from. Those groups are the biggest boxing fans in the US. He has also been making sure that May 5, a Mexican holiday is always booked by him. On top of that he makes sure his undercard will have another big name Mexican in it.

You need to see behind the facade. Except for his past few fights, his style was something not too many Mexicans would watch. He needed a Mexican to draw that crowd.

He fought Shane Mosley and did over 1.4 million PPV's........end of argument.
All the points raised above show Mayweather is a smart Guy who does things on his terms.

That logic is retarded mate, sorry to tell ya.

What next, Pacquiao complains about Ellerbe's piece of the pie?  In a 50/50 split, however each party chooses to distribute his money is up to him.  What if one of the fighters decided to give 20% to charity, could the other object?  Come on.

Pacquiao has his costs, his promoter being one of them.  I see Floyd's principle that he doesn't want to make Arum money, but he has no right to demand how Paquito spends his money - including who he pays for the fight.

Now perhaps the issue is Mayweather promotions wants full control and Arum to have no control over the show?  That's a different topic and not one I've heard discussed, but one that seems to be simmering under the surface.

Your not making sense at all. If a fight took place and was co promoted between Mayweather Promotions and Top Rank how can Manny make the same money as Floyd. Pacquiao is nothing more than a employee of Top Rank who pay him around 65% of a promotion made up of a set guarantee and adds on from PPV. Mayweather is his own boss as he as his own promotional outfit and pays people out of his own firm. Pacquiao is under contract to Top Rank WHO PAY HIM not him paying them. What ever Pacquiao grosses Arum is on 35% and not long ago GBP was taking between 10 and 20% of Pacquiao's purses because he had signed a contract with them and took $250k in a suitcase of them as a signing on bonus.
Pacquiao as allowed himself to get put in a long term contract and get manipulated. Take for instance both Manny and Floyd both faced Shane Mosley within 12 months of each other and both fights drew 1.4 million PPV's. Mayweather was on a $22.5 million guarantee with PPV adds ons that amounted to him getting officially $40 million. Pacquiao official purse was $6 Million with a guarantee of $20 million once PPV add ons were totalled up. Mosley got $6.7 Million for fighting Floyd and $5 million for fighting Manny so where was all this extra money left from the Mosley fight if Floyd managed to get double what Pacquiao was paid and pay Mosley more than $1.7 million than what TR paid him. Its easy it all goes in Bob Arum's back pocket the man who pulls the strings so don't come up with a argument for a 50/50 split when Arum is raping Pacquiao to death with a water tight contract.

[Dexter_Morgan]

I think its a case of missed points here. What Tito is saying is correct Floyd and Manny just can't earn the same for a fight because of how there business is set up. I also get what Charlie is saying that, EXAMPLE a 100 million both get 50 million each and its up to them how they pay everyone however IT doesn't work like that for Manny.

Does Manny mean he gets a 50/50 split meaning he gets the same take home as Floyd ?
Does Manny mean he gets a 50/50 split and pays Toprank from that ?

Having read both sides and watched various interviews I'm going for the first considering Toprank pay Manny and not the other way round its a lot of money to give up, also Floyd was pretty clear recently that ARUM was the problem, I actually for once have no reason to doubt him.

Until Arum gets out the way or he's willing to take a back seat then this fight won't happen.

[Mal]

Well that is where the public's lack of knowledge comes into it. The Hatton camp and the floyd camp had talked about the fight for 2 years but had agreed to let it build. After he beat Castillo they knew the time was right and thats why ricky called him out to get the public buzzing for the fight

I remember you addressing that about a year ago Gibbo. It's a pity these two didn't have a similier plan in place. It was looking like that was the case for awhile, one thing led to another though and here we are, back at square one.

[Gibbo1]

I remember you addressing that about a year ago Gibbo. It's a pity these two didn't have a similier plan in place. It was looking like that was the case for awhile, one thing led to another though and here we are, back at square one.

It was something that crossed my mind that they were letting this one build but I think it reached fever point and is now going down in the publics interest.

More and more people have now agreed that floyd would be the favourite and therefore arent as interested.

I really think floyd has a point

He can make $70 million in ever fight with or without Pacquiao on his terms. So he isnt going to fight him on pacquiaos terms and make the same money.

[Tito]

I think its a case of missed points here. What Tito is saying is correct Floyd and Manny just can't earn the same for a fight because of how there business is set up. I also get what Charlie is saying that, EXAMPLE a 100 million both get 50 million each and its up to them how they pay everyone however IT doesn't work like that for Manny.

Does Manny mean he gets a 50/50 split meaning he gets the same take home as Floyd ?
Does Manny mean he gets a 50/50 split and pays Toprank from that ?

Having read both sides and watched various interviews I'm going for the first considering Toprank pay Manny and not the other way round its a lot of money to give up, also Floyd was pretty clear recently that ARUM was the problem, I actually for once have no reason to doubt him.

Until Arum gets out the way or he's willing to take a back seat then this fight won't happen.

That's it in a nutshell the way I have read it on many other forums is that Koncz and Pacquiao are asking for a 50/50 split based on net earnings. Which means both fighters get a set guarantee and then equally % of the PPV. The only stumbling block is Arum who is liable for 35% of what Pacquiao will gross. If Manny and Floyd both stood to make $70 million each Manny and Koncz know that Arum is getting $24.5 million of Pacquiao's gross earnings. The only way this fight will happen is that either Manny buys out his own contract or runs it down and signs a one off deal to co promote with Mayweather who would probably not mind going 50/50 with him as he knows he is on a probable $70 million deal.

[mooreman]

This is an embarrassing topic and its embarrassing watching people speculate and talk rubbish when they havent a clue what they are talking about. PPV numbers and percentages and all that.

2 million is a figure given by Schaefer who imagines random numbers all the time, he dais Mayweather Ortiz could break 2.4 FFS.

Also Manny vs Floyd is a fight that will be big the world over, and that needs to be taken into consideration.

Mayweathers demands to have it in a small casino rather than a huge stadium also hurts the promotion financially.

Where did the supposed 35% Bob Arum tax come into things? Sounds like rubbish to me, I'm sure its far far less, was it a Floyd tweet that insinuated this number?

Since when do Goldenboy and Al Haymon not get paid for their involvement? Are they just working with Floyd to be part of the money team? I bet you anything that what he pays both of their companies is very similar to what Manny makes Top Rank.

Mayweather certainly seems to do better PPVS by a small enough margin, it depends on the fights really however Pac Mayweather transends boxing, if it ever happens it will be enormous, not because of Floyd or Pacman, but because of both.

They should both receive 50% each, break whats owed down between their staff, if Mayweathers costs are lower than Pacs then fair enough, Floydmakes more money and we can all deal with that. It really doesnt matter.