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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2012, 01:28:06 PM » |
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Bored now, I propose they don't fight. That way floyd can have his 100% of F*ck all and so can manny.
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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2012, 01:28:06 PM » |
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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2012, 11:40:52 PM » |
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Funny seeing all the Flomo's saying they would tell arum to get lost  , 45/45 with 10% more to the twinner is how it should be and none of this "manny can't ask for an even share" stuff coz thats bs no one can show a link where manny is asking for 50/50 after paying arum and i simply have never known a deal like that a boxer always pays from his share for example we play doubles at pool and win £100 and half it i can't come back and say "i need £10 more i owe my mum" i'd have to pay from my £50. Jorg, what you have to realize is that Arum pays Pacquiao, not the other way around. I personally think, 45% to Top Rank and 45% to Mayweather Promotions, then 10% directly to the winning fighter is a great idea. But if you watch the Jim Lampley 'Fightgame' video where both Schaefer and Arum make their respective proposals, Arum clearly states 45% Pacquiao, 45% Mayweather and 10% winner. This is very ambiguous as he doesn't make mention of the promoter's share. Lampley could have simply asked 'is that before or after the promoters get their money, Bob', but he chose not to ask it. Too bad, as to me that was the question that needed to be asked if Arum wanted to respond to Mayweather's accusations.
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2012, 07:18:50 AM » |
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Jorg, what you have to realize is that Arum pays Pacquiao, not the other way around. I personally think, 45% to Top Rank and 45% to Mayweather Promotions, then 10% directly to the winning fighter is a great idea.
But if you watch the Jim Lampley 'Fightgame' video where both Schaefer and Arum make their respective proposals, Arum clearly states 45% Pacquiao, 45% Mayweather and 10% winner. This is very ambiguous as he doesn't make mention of the promoter's share. Lampley could have simply asked 'is that before or after the promoters get their money, Bob', but he chose not to ask it. Too bad, as to me that was the question that needed to be asked if Arum wanted to respond to Mayweather's accusations.
Exactly. Arum wants to promote any fight.
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2012, 11:10:00 AM » |
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I think Schaefer has the right approach.
Crunch the numbers and pro-rata the pot on that basis.
I don't, and this is what's wrong with boxing. Why should the top fighter earn more than his opponent in a fight, even if he loses? It takes 2 to fight. Pay should be split equally at each level, perhaps with a bonus to the winner. That way, if you stay at the top, you earn more. Or Mayweather and Pacquiao should rake in 100s of millions of dollars whilst those fighting at a national level should work full time and train on top of that just to make ends meet? And people wonder why boxing is broken. "Trickle down!" Proven to make the rich richer, and the poor poorer, no matter what field it applies to.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2012, 11:32:10 AM » |
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I don't, and this is what's wrong with boxing. Why should the top fighter earn more than his opponent in a fight, even if he loses? It takes 2 to fight.
Pay should be split equally at each level, perhaps with a bonus to the winner. That way, if you stay at the top, you earn more.
Or Mayweather and Pacquiao should rake in 100s of millions of dollars whilst those fighting at a national level should work full time and train on top of that just to make ends meet? And people wonder why boxing is broken.
"Trickle down!" Proven to make the rich richer, and the poor poorer, no matter what field it applies to.
The better you are at your job the more you earn just seems to be more the way or the world than boxing, more so in sport. To be honest in a sport like boxing and given it's risks, if a guy has hit the top then he deserves to earn more than those not on his level. This is not a reference to Manny and Floyd but just fighters in general. Look at who and what Manny has done in his career, you can't really say it is fair to give someone like Bradley an equal split of his cash? More so when Manny is bringing it in on pretty much his own back. If they was to say right money is split right down the middle from now on, I would fear the class of fighters being produced would maybe decrease as money regardless of what anyone says it what motivates today's top sports people to get the top.
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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2012, 11:38:42 AM » |
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The better you are at your job the more you earn just seems to be more the way or the world than boxing, more so in sport.
To be honest in a sport like boxing and given it's risks, if a guy has hit the top then he deserves to earn more than those not on his level. This is not a reference to Manny and Floyd but just fighters in general.
Look at who and what Manny has done in his career, you can't really say it is fair to give someone like Bradley an equal split of his cash? More so when Manny is bringing it in on pretty much his own back.
If they was to say right money is split right down the middle from now on, I would fear the class of fighters being produced would maybe decrease as money regardless of what anyone says it what motivates today's top sports people to get the top.
I agree, but how many 10s of millions of dollars does one man and his family need? I'm derailing the thread, but the current form of capitalism is corrupt because money has bought politics and politics controls taxation. It's not like this is going to change for Pacquiao vs Mayweather. I think Pacquiao, the bigger global star, should take 70/30 of the International income (Intl PPV / broadcast rights), and Mayweather, the bigger US star, take 70/30 of US income (US PPV / broadcast rights). Doubt that offer would ever fly, I think Mr Ego believes he's bigger everywhere even though he comes across as blissfully unaware of the world outside of America.
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2012, 11:58:30 AM » |
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I agree, but how many 10s of millions of dollars does one man and his family need? I'm derailing the thread, but the current form of capitalism is corrupt because money has bought politics and politics controls taxation.
It's not like this is going to change for Pacquiao vs Mayweather.
I think Pacquiao, the bigger global star, should take 70/30 of the International income (Intl PPV / broadcast rights), and Mayweather, the bigger US star, take 70/30 of US income (US PPV / broadcast rights).
Doubt that offer would ever fly, I think Mr Ego believes he's bigger everywhere even though he comes across as blissfully unaware of the world outside of America.
If I were Mayweather I'd bite the hand of you for that in fact why not Manny keep the global income and Floyd keep the US income ?
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2012, 12:03:23 PM » |
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I agree, but how many 10s of millions of dollars does one man and his family need? I'm derailing the thread, but the current form of capitalism is corrupt because money has bought politics and politics controls taxation.
It's not like this is going to change for Pacquiao vs Mayweather.
I think Pacquiao, the bigger global star, should take 70/30 of the International income (Intl PPV / broadcast rights), and Mayweather, the bigger US star, take 70/30 of US income (US PPV / broadcast rights).
Doubt that offer would ever fly, I think Mr Ego believes he's bigger everywhere even though he comes across as blissfully unaware of the world outside of America.
Well how would you measure global appeal? You can count up ppv's and ticket sales but your going to struggle to do golbal appeal. To be fair Charlie I am not even sure you would totally correct on saying Manny was the man in that, not saying your wrong but I would not put money on it. Floyds appeal is far bigger than just America mate, you only have to look at the training session he did in london to know that. The money won't change them I agree, but how many billionairs etc could we say that about who still strive to earn more so it can just rot in a bank account? It is pretty sickening but just the way things are.
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2012, 12:24:16 PM » |
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Exactly. Arum wants to promote any fight.
I think all fight fans agree he should get his wrinkly old fingers out of this pie or accept whatever slice Pacquiao gives him. Well how would you measure global appeal?
Pacquiao has global endorsements the likes of which Mayweather can only dream of. $1million a year deals with the likes of Hennessy and HP. Those are the only two I've heard of, but I've not looked into the matter, and Googling shows plenty more, deals with Nike, McDonalds, etc across South East Asia. Who is Mayweather the marketing face of? 24/7? 
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2012, 01:33:53 PM » |
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There's been some weird decisions in Arum fights and just for that reason, I don't think Floyd would work in a promotion involving him.
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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2012, 02:54:03 PM » |
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I think all fight fans agree he should get his wrinkly old fingers out of this pie or accept whatever slice Pacquiao gives him. Pacquiao has global endorsements the likes of which Mayweather can only dream of. $1million a year deals with the likes of Hennessy and HP. Those are the only two I've heard of, but I've not looked into the matter, and Googling shows plenty more, deals with Nike, McDonalds, etc across South East Asia. Who is Mayweather the marketing face of? 24/7?  Pretty sure Reebok pay floyd a nice some for wearing their boots in his fight and from a quick google search he has one with At&T but am not sure on the values of them. It is strange how he seemingly refuses sponsors etc as I hardly doubt he would struggle to find any, mind you when you have a list of earning like this- Carlos Baldomir November 4, 2006 – $8 million Oscar De La Hoya May 5, 2007 – $25 million Ricky Hatton December 8, 2007 – $25 million World Wrestling Entertainment Appearance – $20 million Juan Manuel Márquez September 19, 2009 – $25 million Sugar Shane Mosley May 14th, 2010 – $30 million Victor Ortiz September 17th, 2011 – $40 million who cares?  From what it sounds, it is his fights for which he attracts the sponsors for as opposed to just him I have a site saying here, says "" Ellerbe also noted that while Mayweather "isn't netting much in the way of endorsements, his fights are." Golden Boy Promotions CMO Bruce Binkow said that Mayweather's May 1 bout against Shane Mosley "attracted the most promotional partners ever" for a PPV boxing event, "with Tecate beer, AT&T, DeWalt Tools and StubHub collectively shelling out several million dollars' worth in marketing and retail support" I believe the Mosley fight was then topped by the Ortiz fight.
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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2012, 03:13:17 PM » |
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60/40 Mayweather
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Floyd has fans that will kill other fans to get their point across, Manny doesnt hahahah
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