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[jimjack]

Liked berto, but not massively shocked with any pro being positive any more.

[Tito]

Any fighter that as a link to Conte is obviously going to raise a eyebrow. All this PED business as been going on for years look at RJJ, Toney and Mosley and every year more fighters are getting found out. I know folk have given Mayweather serious abuse for trying to force a issue a lot of people thought was under control but the more people who are caught in urine testing shows how many are getting away with it unless they bring in tougher measures.

[presa]

as conte said even the OST can be beaten.. if you have the money for it that is.

[cocksuckinknowitall]

Any fighter that as a link to Conte is obviously going to raise a eyebrow. All this PED business as been going on for years look at RJJ, Toney and Mosley and every year more fighters are getting found out. I know folk have given Mayweather serious abuse for trying to force a issue a lot of people thought was under control but the more people who are caught in urine testing shows how many are getting away with it unless they bring in tougher measures.

What is it with this Mayweather victim mentality?  I don't recall anybody in their right mind disagreeing with testing.

It was the manner in which he brought it up, which was disingenuous at best and at worst, and in most neutral observer's eyes, downright defamatory at a certain P4P#1 opponent.

[cocksuckinknowitall]

Khan vs Ortiz?

Berto vs Peterson as cheif support

??

 

With James Toney vs Shane Mosley at super middle for the P4P world cheat title.  Toney will be allowed liposuction to make weight.

[Tito]

What is it with this Mayweather victim mentality?  I don't recall anybody in their right mind disagreeing with testing.

It was the manner in which he brought it up, which was disingenuous at best and at worst, and in most neutral observer's eyes, downright defamatory at a certain P4P#1 opponent.

No one is disagreeing about testing its just not advanced enough. The testing under the NSAC for example doesn't see any testers go to Manila 1, 2 , 4 , 6 or 8 weeks in to a Pacquaio camp. They only take tests of urine after the fight when his system could be flushed clean.
I am not saying Manny is a cheat I'm just saying without the advanced testing Mayweather is calling for any athlete can openly cheat through a camp espicially if they are out of the US. Mayweather highlighted what is becoming far to common all the leading fighters should be endorsing this and helping to clean its image up and eradicate it completely but the polar opposite is happening.

[cocksuckinknowitall]

No one is disagreeing about testing its just not advanced enough. The testing under the NSAC for example doesn't see any testers go to Manila 1, 2 , 4 , 6 or 8 weeks in to a Pacquaio camp. They only take tests of urine after the fight when his system could be flushed clean.
I am not saying Manny is a cheat I'm just saying without the advanced testing Mayweather is calling for any athlete can openly cheat through a camp espicially if they are out of the US. Mayweather highlighted what is becoming far to common all the leading fighters should be endorsing this and helping to clean its image up and eradicate it completely but the polar opposite is happening.

And you're right, the testing should be more rigorous.  However, when Mosley testified to cheating did you see Mayweather stand up for this principle?  It's not a principle.  He's just a means to an end for him; a way to defame another fighter and make him look better.  At least it was in the beginning.

Or am I wrong?

Y'know, I do feel a bit for Peterson and Berto.  Innocent until proven guilty right?  The positive test is not a flat out indication they are guilty.  Hell, they even could be a victim of a manager or trainer who wanted to give his fighter the edge and slipped something in his water.  The noises coming out of Berto's camp are much better than Peterson's.  Berto's statement seemed like one of a fighter who believed his was innocent.

[Hitman]

Nobody gave flack for demanding random testing in the sport in general.  It should be mandatory at all levels of the sport where testing is affordable.

People give Mayweather flack for baseless accusations that Manny Pacquiao is on PEDs.  "How can a guy who fought at 106 being walking through Welterweights?  Jus' sayin'.  How can his head grow so big?  Jus' sayin'.  Filipino soldiers given drugs that let them walk through bullets.  Jus' sayin'.  Guy comes out of nowhere, where was he '96, '97', 98'?  Jus' sayin'.  Where's all this power come from, how can he all of a sudden hit so hard?  Jus' sayin'." etc that shite is what he deserves flack for.

Random testing?  Get it in the sport now!  Perhaps I didn't agree with Floyd imposing it purely for Pacquiao (where was Floyd's principle on random testing before 2010?) but credit where credit is due - it got the ball rolling.

Like a fly to shit you are Manny, i mean Charlie

All you needed to type was the last sentance 

[lurkyshaka]

I'm massively disappointed in Berto. I always thought he was a good guy.

And Conte's offering that it's likely a trace contamination is a load of bollocks. You don't accidentally pick up Nandrolone from Corn Flakes or a protein shake do you.  

Although as has been said already a couple of high profile fighters getting caught out with the extra testing will move forward the case for more modern and rigorous random drugs testing. Whether the sanctioning and governing bodies will have the balls to put those measures in place officially is very much doubtful, as I think they know drugs are rife in the sport and they are truly afraid of what will be found, and the fallout and loss of revenue as a result.

I think the various organisations will put the measures in place, but they'll give a good amount of advanced warning so the cheats will all be able to get off the PEDS so we don't see mass positive tests.

I expect to see some fighters performance levels drop off for no apparent reason in the wake of all this, as many are forced off the drugs and have to rely on natural stuff and their own abilities.

[glenn_user]

a sport like this more than any should have stringent testing in place, year round. the only people set to gain from there not being are those taking stuff. its that simple.

back to the dwain chambers thing. he was absolutely lambasted for taking stuff as a younger guy, but he gave the authorities more info than they previously had on how athletes are cheating the system and this led to better testing procedures.

look at the way he was treated by 'team gb' and the media, and compare that to Christine Ohuruogu following her success in 2008. A woman who prior to the olyimpics 'missed' two drug tests. you dont just miss tests, not if youre serious about having a clean sport. yet this is forgotten about, whereas chambers is a total disgrace. If anything hes the more honest athlete for submitting to and getting caught by the tests.

there seems to be contradictions and a Piss poor attitude when dealing with enforcing drug cleanliness, even in olyimpic sports. boxing has no chance.

[johnymac]

Im so glad this has landed at contes door , he has no right to be allowed near sportsmen after his past crimes and bertos finished if he was in anyway roided for ortiz , if thats his best he is road kill now

On chambers , he was taking tests laughing in the testers faces , balco was designed so you could be tested but you always tested negative until someone blew them up (not chambers). Also everyone attached to balco has faced serious charges , did chambers not just fall on his own sword to atleast save his carear ? he also lost other people medals . Onarugh was a shocker of a case i think she may have actually missed 3 but 2 wrongs dont make a right and chambers should never be allowed to wear british colours in the olympics as making the bans more lax just makes it all the more tempting to cheat.

a sport like this more than any should have stringent testing in place, year round. the only people set to gain from there not being are those taking stuff. its that simple.

back to the dwain chambers thing. he was absolutely lambasted for taking stuff as a younger guy, but he gave the authorities more info than they previously had on how athletes are cheating the system and this led to better testing procedures.

look at the way he was treated by 'team gb' and the media, and compare that to Christine Ohuruogu following her success in 2008. A woman who prior to the olyimpics 'missed' two drug tests. you dont just miss tests, not if youre serious about having a clean sport. yet this is forgotten about, whereas chambers is a total disgrace. If anything hes the more honest athlete for submitting to and getting caught by the tests.

there seems to be contradictions and a Piss poor attitude when dealing with enforcing drug cleanliness, even in olyimpic sports. boxing has no chance.

[Fightin Irish]

All sanctioning bodies will have to wake up to this now, its bizarre to think that swimmers and runners are more stringently tested than people who punch each other in the head for a living!

[deck]

I think the various organisations will put the measures in place, but they'll give a good amount of advanced warning so the cheats will all be able to get off the PEDS so we don't see mass positive tests.

I expect to see some fighters performance levels drop off for no apparent reason in the wake of all this, as many are forced off the drugs and have to rely on natural stuff and their own abilities.

I would like to see those measures put in place. Like you say if they gave a date of say 1st Jan as a start point for proper random testing then their fears would be alleviated to a certain extent.

[deck]

All sanctioning bodies will have to wake up to this now, its bizarre to think that swimmers and runners are more stringently tested than people who punch each other in the head for a living!

Yeah but those sports haven't, to an extent, been run as massive businesses by numerous shady characters for years. There are too many people with too much to lose if it all falls apart. As has been suggested though a lead in period where fighters can clean themselves up and leave no excuses for those bodies not to act.

[Tito]

A lad who works with me as been using HGH for the past 6 months after 18 months using steroids. He as bulked up and lost so much body fat in the last 6 month its almost untrue. When you seen a person daily you hardly notice a huge difference unless you can remember when they were toned up.