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[jimjack]

Cotto wasn't beaten by manny he was beaten by chemists. Over to you Charlie blinkers.

[cocksuckinknowitall]

Cotto wasn't beaten by manny he was beaten by chemists. Over to you Charlie blinkers.

You keep flogging that dead horse.  Go chase the real cheaters.

Pacquiao knocked everybody out that he beat '97-'06.  Was he on special chemicals then?  Even as a destitute kid training in a 3rd world country?

It's the rice and those Filipino super drugs - bullet stoppers, baby!

[Skav]

Give me peace Skav as soon as the weigh in took place with Hatton almost all knew the fight would be sort lived not to mention the rumours of him getting his backside handed to him from Lara. Have I at any stage blamed Manny ? read what I've said.

Almost all, eh? Who were these people, Dexter? I read your post right, originally it was a competitive fight and the excuses that pour out about it is just sour grapes. It was a great win regardless what problems Hatton had.

[jimjack]

You keep flogging that dead horse.  Go chase the real cheaters.

Pacquiao knocked everybody out that he beat '97-'06.  Was he on special chemicals then?  Even as a destitute kid training in a 3rd world country?

It's the rice and those Filipino super drugs - bullet stoppers, baby!

Haha. That's right that destitute kid getting hurt every fight at 4 stone was the same man throwing around Miguel cotto. Good god.

[ramrod jab]

Cotto wasn't beaten by manny he was beaten by chemists. Over to you Charlie blinkers.

 

[Hitman]

Cotto wasn't beaten by manny he was beaten by chemists. Over to you Charlie blinkers.

Bahaha

 

[Dexter_Morgan]

Almost all, eh? Who were these people, Dexter? I read your post right, originally it was a competitive fight and the excuses that pour out about it is just sour grapes. It was a great win regardless what problems Hatton had.

Sour grapes by whom ? Fact is Hatton was finished he was done inside two rounds. A fighter can only beat what's in front of them and Manny done that I have no problem with it clearly you do I ask why ?

[cocksuckinknowitall]

Haha. That's right that destitute kid getting hurt every fight at 4 stone was the same man throwing around Miguel cotto. Good god.

Funny how severe weight draining is a great excuse for some fighters, but not others.  Funny how being a novice is a great excuse for some fighters and not others.

Pacquiao knocked out when he was 17.  He failed to make weight, catchweight of 111lbs, was forced to wear heavier gloves, and was probably being paid about £20 for the fight.

Pacquiao knocked out when he was 20 by a body shot when defending his first world title, the WBC flyweight title.  He failed to make weight, title was at stake for his opponent only, and Pacquiao would jump up two weight divisions for his subsequent fights.

Since then, he only loses to Morales, drew with Marquez, and drew with some dirty who forced an early and farcical TD with headbutts.

But, no, he must be cheating...

[Dexter_Morgan]

Funny how severe weight draining is a great excuse for some fighters, but not others.  Funny how being a novice is a great excuse for some fighters and not others.

Pacquiao knocked out when he was 17.  He failed to make weight, catchweight of 111lbs, was forced to wear heavier gloves, and was probably being paid about £20 for the fight.

Pacquiao knocked out when he was 20 by a body shot when defending his first world title, the WBC flyweight title.  He failed to make weight, title was at stake for his opponent only, and Pacquiao would jump up two weight divisions for his subsequent fights.

Since then, he only loses to Morales, drew with Marquez, and drew with some dirty who forced an early and farcical TD with headbutts.

But, no, he must be cheating...

Morales very near punched his head clean of his shoulders I reckon that was around the time Pacman hit the juice 

[Aaron]

Almost all, eh? Who were these people, Dexter? I read your post right, originally it was a competitive fight and the excuses that pour out about it is just sour grapes. It was a great win regardless what problems Hatton had.

I was one of them, I hardly made a sound at the weign inn his body looked so bad. Manny was the guy coming up in weight and looked twice the size of Hatton on the scales, then fast forward 24 hours to Ricky's expression on his ring walk I was watching on the arena monitors and it is all I needed to see. Looked like he was walking into his own funeral, full of fear and looked like it was the last place on earth he would of wanted to be right then.

Not sure anyone is blaming Manny for the shape of Ricky however.

[Dexter_Morgan]

I was one of them, I hardly made a sound at the weign inn his body looked so bad. Manny was the guy coming up in weight and looked twice the size of Hatton on the scales, then fast forward 24 hours to Ricky's expression on his ring walk I was watching on the arena monitors and it is all I needed to see. Looked like he was walking into his own funeral, full of fear and looked like it was the last place on earth he would of wanted to be right then.

Not sure anyone is blaming Manny for the shape of Ricky however.

I sat up like many for that fight and can remember it being slightly later 5 plus. When Hatton started walking to the ring my Mrs turned to me and said 'what's wrong with Ricky he doesn't look himself' that sums that night up for me.

None of that is Manny's fault and he can only beat the fighter put in front of him.

[Skav]

Sour grapes by whom ? Fact is Hatton was finished he was done inside two rounds. A fighter can only beat what's in front of them and Manny done that I have no problem with it clearly you do I ask why ?

I read it that you were taking away from his win because of the problems Hatton was going through in his preparation for his fight. They may be explanations but people treat them as excuses.

And Charlie, it's clear as day that Jimjack said what he did to be a thorn up your back side. See it for what it is. lol

[Dexter_Morgan]

I read it that you were taking away from his win because of the problems Hatton was going through in his preparation for his fight. They may be explanations but people treat them as excuses.

And Charlie, it's clear as day that Jimjack said what he did to be a thorn up your back side. See it for what it is. lol

Mate FFS you've been around long enough to know that if Hatton could have ko'd pacman regardless of circumstance he would have in a heart beat that's the fight game. Rick for what ever reasons bad camp being finished got sparked, Pacman could only beat the fighter in the ring with him that night.

Excuses well thats a different issue. Would a prime Rick at 140 beat a prime Manny at 140 personally I doubt it would it have been a closer fight than we seen not so sure I actually think style wise Pacman was all wrong for Hatton.

[cocksuckinknowitall]

And Charlie, it's clear as day that Jimjack said what he did to be a thorn up your back side. See it for what it is. lol

It is but at the same time it is what he believes.  Or so he says, that even before Our Lord Almighty Mawyeather Amen declared that Pacquiao must be on something because there's no way he could be walking through welterweights despite fighting all his life at 106lbs, that he's probably on some Filipino superdrug, apparently jimjack even before then had critical knowledge of Pacquiao being juiced up.

Apparently.

Haha. That's right that destitute kid getting hurt every fight at 4 stone was the same man throwing around Miguel cotto. Good god.

Reality and jimjack are on 2 different planes.  Thought I'd educate him.

[jimjack]

Charlie, yes I said that to wind you up. Mainly because it's fun. However, yes I genuinely believe that manny (and lots of others that are no where near as good) has got the improvements he has owing to medical help. The reason it stands out is because he is coming in with such a good base to work from. He has decent boxing fundamentals, great speed, great heart, and good power. He would of, and probably was, a world champion before help. That said IMO he has certainly had some kind of synthetic growth materials put into his body over the past 5 years. He had the physical hallmarks of it, and his strength has certainly accelerated above and beyond what would normally happen in an athlete of his age.
This is not said from ignorance or hate, just an educated and experienced opinion. I may be wrong, and indeed hope I am, however any instances where the burden of doubt could be lifted from manny have been rejected. If it were me I would make sure that I was tested live on tv and had my Piss and blood results published live aswell. The 2 put together (reasons for doubt, not Piss and blood) make the arguments louder for me.
You believe what you like, but do it without calling others ignorant and ill educated as they may return the hostility and highlight your apparent naivety.