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[Dexter_Morgan]

First of all Scotland would need foreign banks if it was to go alone as RBS is just not a option anymore. It would be in direct competition with its much larger rivals and lose the security of being in the UK. It would be in control of its own destiny and full independence would mean setting its own interest rates, income taxes, funding its own NHS, Education, public services, national security and paying its share of the current debts.
North sea Oil and Gas as already peaked in terms of output and the UK as seen the biggest decrease in the world in terms of Oil exporting since 2007. We are importing more Gas and Oil than we rely on from the North Sea and its expected to decrease by 1/3 by 2020 from a 2007 high. If Scotland is not in a position in 50 years time to sustain Oil and Gas where does it go in terms of generating money into its economy.
If Scotland goes it alone I don't see how it will sustain itself over the long term because independence isn't going to generate millions of jobs and get people working and earning. If you look at how many unemployed people there is, the life expectancy of people through hard drinking and smoking and crime statistics they would need a huge health and welfare budget just to sustain the problem without tackling the real issues behind it.

So the question stands taking all of that into account why would you want us to stay ? Its a typical English argument that's pushing more people to vote YES. Why should we vote No ?

[Tito]

So the question stands taking all of that into account why would you want us to stay ? Its a typical English argument that's pushing more people to vote YES. Why should we vote No ?

Listen I don't care it don't effect me a iota. If every Scot thinks happy days are here ahead then crack on vote YES. I don't know how Alex Salmond will cope balancing the books when there is 220,000 people out of work and a society with the worse alcohol consumption and dietery levels in Europe.

[Dexter_Morgan]

Listen I don't care it don't effect me a iota. If every Scot thinks happy days are here ahead then crack on vote YES. I don't know how Alex Salmond will cope balancing the books when there is 220,000 people out of work and a society with the worse alcohol consumption and dietery levels in Europe.

What are you on about we have never once failed to balance the books since the Scottish parliament started so why all of a sudden would it change ? everything you mentioned in your pervious post is paid for from the Scottish budget, unemployment is on the same levels with the rest of the UK and as for the Health issues its actually no longer that bad.

That Scottish budget so you know is less than we pay in via Tax, Ni and Vat we have 8% of the population and pay 10% of the taxes feel free to check and that's without oil, gas , water , farming , fishin and whisky or shortbeard 

[Tuco]

60 years as queen, mmmmmmmm I wonder within that time did she ever take it in the ass?

[Tito]

What are you on about we have never once failed to balance the books since the Scottish parliament started so why all of a sudden would it change ?

Yes but of course you have Alex Salmond who as got concession after concession out of every Government in the past 10 years. He as played hard ball over the years and boosted his popularity by getting the Scots a easy ride compared to well off Londoners. What will he do when suddenly there is no golden eggs in the pot and no way he can play hard ball to get his own people a easy way.
The fact is that for every William Wallace patriot who thinks were all soft headed sassenachs there is 2 that realise that they are on to a good thing with the way it is today. A good hardworking Scottish family who hope to put there children through University in a few years will certainly not vote for the SNP just as the same folk who are employed by the public service, armed services and have elderly relatives with mental health problems.

[Dexter_Morgan]

Yes but of course you have Alex Salmond who as got concession after concession out of every Government in the past 10 years. He as played hard ball over the years and boosted his popularity by getting the Scots a easy ride compared to well off Londoners. What will he do when suddenly there is no golden eggs in the pot and no way he can play hard ball to get his own people a easy way.
The fact is that for every William Wallace patriot who thinks were all soft headed sassenachs there is 2 that realise that they are on to a good thing with the way it is today. A good hardworking Scottish family who hope to put there children through University in a few years will certainly not vote for the SNP just as the same folk who are employed by the public service, armed services and have elderly relatives with mental health problems.

Again what are you on about Alex Salmond has only been first minister for five years the parliament has been running for close to 14.

[Tito]

Again what are you on about Alex Salmond has only been first minister for five years the parliament has been running for close to 14.

Yes but since he is been in power he as strong armed the UK government from cuts and gained concessions. I don't blame him but I would like to see him doing it without being propped up without London money.

[Dexter_Morgan]

Yes but since he is been in power he as strong armed the UK government from cuts and gained concessions. I don't blame him but I would like to see him doing it without being propped up without London money.

And he wrote a public letter to both governments asking for full control of Scottish revenue not Independence all Scottish money controlled by the Scottish people neither this government nor the previous has replied.

Like I have said the Scots pay more in TAXES than they receive but somehow you feel were supported, its ignorance and arrogance of the highest order. Here we have a parliament that has never once went over its budget has fought tooth and nail for Scottish money to stay in Scotland yet you as earlier posts state would prefer the union to stay together when were such a burden now that puzzles me.

Lets us have our taxes and ALL our income streams and we'll happily support ourselves, then London or anywhere else can't claim they support us. You do know how much the Whisky industry pays in Corp tax ? or the Oil companies ?

[Alba]

Yes but since he is been in power he as strong armed the UK government from cuts and gained concessions. I don't blame him but I would like to see him doing it without being propped up without London money.

Mate,the block grant to Scotland has been getting cut over the last few years.He has asked the previous and current goverment to let us raise our own revnue and spend it our way but this has been rebutted .Dont see what the problem with that is ,if Scotland is getting "Handouts" from westminister

[Bonters]

maybe you should stop reading the Daily Mail then ,no need for the condescending manner .The laddie is only given you his opinion on things ...

Also ,Tito might be able to answer this ,sometimes in pics/or at her coronation she seems to have this Ball thing in her right hand.its got a cross on the top of it... what is it exactly ?

What the fook are YOU on?  Change your dealer, mate, that's some bad shit!  Condescending?  Where?  I said I was actually quite fond of Scotland as part of a United Kingdom, and I am.  I'm in favour of unity, not separatism, that's all.  And I respect the views of others, given that it's a complex subject.  Have a word with yerself, eh?   

[Tito]

And he wrote a public letter to both governments asking for full control of the Scottish revenue not Independence all Scottish money controlled by the Scottish people neither this government nor the previous has replied.

Like I have said the Scots pay more in TAXES than they receive but somehow you feel were supported, its ignorance and arrogance of the highest order. Here we have a parliament that has never once went over its budget has fought tooth and nail for Scottish money to stay in Scotland yet you as earlier posts state would prefer the union to stay together when were such a burden now that puzzles me.

Lets us have our taxes and ALL our income streams and we'll happily support ourselves, then London or anywhere else can't claim they support us. You do know how much the Whisky industry pays in Corp tax ? or the Oil companies ?

I would like to know the percentage of Higher rate tax payers in Scotland compared to the South East/West more . Do these London based higher rate tax payers receive free higher education places for there children at University, do these people receive free perscriptions, do these people pay a top up fee for elderly care or maybe receive any perks at all compared to a smaller minority of 45% tax payers south of the border.
I wonder if any higher rate tax payers in Scotland would vote SNP considering they will know that if they go it alone all the perks they currently receive would soon dry up.
The SNP are clueless when it comes to even trying outline its own monetary plans. Only last week they said they would like to remain in the pound but if they could get a better deal they would consider joining the Euro. This is the same Euro that is stretched trying to keep Ireland, Greece and Spain afloat and is on the verge of a break up. The SNP are just using the Condems unpopularity in Scotland to try and strong arm the coalition into more and more power for Scotland which again is just clever politics. If Cameron called there bluff and didn't appear as panicky it would give the SNP less ammunition to fire when its trying to gain a referendum and go it alone.
The latest yougov poll in terms of a referendum only put it at 28% in favour of a YES so for all your arguing with me on this its your friends, neighbours and family you should be convincing.

[jimjack]

Tito for pm.

[Dexter_Morgan]

I would like to know the percentage of Higher rate tax payers in Scotland compared to the South East/West more . Do these London based higher rate tax payers receive free higher education places for there children at University, do these people receive free perscriptions, do these people pay a top up fee for elderly care or maybe receive any perks at all compared to a smaller minority of 45% tax payers south of the border.
I wonder if any higher rate tax payers in Scotland would vote SNP considering they will know that if they go it alone all the perks they currently receive would soon dry up.
The SNP are clueless when it comes to even trying outline its own monetary plans. Only last week they said they would like to remain in the pound but if they could get a better deal they would consider joining the Euro. This is the same Euro that is stretched trying to keep Ireland, Greece and Spain afloat and is on the verge of a break up. The SNP are just using the Condems unpopularity in Scotland to try and strong arm the coalition into more and more power for Scotland which again is just clever politics. If Cameron called there bluff and didn't appear as panicky it would give the SNP less ammunition to fire when its trying to gain a referendum and go it alone.
The latest yougov poll in terms of a referendum only put it at 28% in favour of a YES so for all your arguing with me on this its your friends, neighbours and family you should be convincing.

And a poll last year had the YES vote in the lead this was always going to be the weakest time for the yes vote.

Scotland gets £10k per population of head the rest of the UK averages at 8.5 k per head.

The City of London the people get £10.8k per head population 7.8 million

Population of Scotland 5 million so Londoners get a better deal than Scots.

We get a budget that covers everything we then allocate the money its not hard to understand our prescription our unis our health care all comes out of that budget we have 8% of the population but pay around 10% of the tax this excludes any other money north sea oil whisky water farming. I can't help it if at present were a fairly well off well run small country can I ? Also just so you know Scotland is Europe's largest Oil and Gas producer.

[Alba]

What the fook are YOU on?  Change your dealer, mate, that's some bad shit!  Condescending?  Where?  I said I was actually quite fond of Scotland as part of a United Kingdom, and I am.  I'm in favour of unity, not separatism, that's all.  And I respect the views of others, given that it's a complex subject.  Have a word with yerself, eh?   

Dealer? Dont make me laugh mate ... i have no problem with your opinion on the matter.

[dmp]

we got to stay together for the sake of all the sponging lazy fkers on benefits