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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2012, 05:31:42 PM » |
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I find it astonishing that anyone could make a case for Bradley even being competitive in the fight. So what if Manny took some time to step on the gas in most of the rounds? Did Bradley force the issue and make Manny pay for being economical with his punch output? Not at any stage did that happen. Every time Manny threw anything, Bradley looked troubled and was physically moved by the punches whether he moved them or not. Even Clottey actually landed more decent shots on Pacquiao than Bradley did and he was virtually whitewashed on the cards. I just do not see at all what Bradley did in the fight to give the impression that he could have even nicked a share of the rounds. I switched it off after the 12th round had finished because I thought the result was a forgone conclusion. Never been so shocked to be proved wrong in all my time watching boxing.
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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2012, 05:31:42 PM » |
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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2012, 05:33:34 PM » |
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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2012, 05:37:52 PM » |
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You must of missed the prime time coverage...
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2012, 05:39:20 PM » |
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You must of missed the prime time coverage...
I did, my stream didn't even have English commentary. |
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2012, 05:44:43 PM » |
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I find it astonishing that anyone could make a case for Bradley even being competitive in the fight. So what if Manny took some time to step on the gas in most of the rounds? Did Bradley force the issue and make Manny pay for being economical with his punch output? Not at any stage did that happen. Every time Manny threw anything, Bradley looked troubled and was physically moved by the punches whether he moved them or not. Even Clottey actually landed more decent shots on Pacquiao than Bradley did and he was virtually whitewashed on the cards. I just do not see at all what Bradley did in the fight to give the impression that he could have even nicked a share of the rounds. I switched it off after the 12th round had finished because I thought the result was a forgone conclusion. Never been so shocked to be proved wrong in all my time watching boxing.
The thing is Gaz, people are genuinely so biased that they don't see punches landing for one guy. There was a thread in boxing-scene where some guy posted a blow-by-blow analysis of the 5th round, to show how compubox was so wrong. (Which it often is, let's be clear I'm not advocating compubox as some kind of flawless tool, it is just a guy pushing buttons.) I was curious, so I pulled up the video to compare his notes to the action. The first meaningful shots Pacquiao throws clearly land - and they weren't on his list. I decided it was time that I made a video about this fight:
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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2012, 05:52:37 PM » |
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The thing is Gaz, people are genuinely so biased that they don't see punches landing for one guy.
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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2012, 05:57:43 PM » |
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The thing is Gaz, people are genuinely so biased that they don't see punches landing for one guy.
There was a thread in boxing-scene where some guy posted a blow-by-blow analysis of the 5th round, to show how compubox was so wrong. (Which it often is, let's be clear I'm not advocating compubox as some kind of flawless tool, it is just a guy pushing buttons.) I was curious, so I pulled up the video to compare his notes to the action. The first meaningful shots Pacquiao throws clearly land - and they weren't on his list.
I've tried to keep out any talk of bias towards either fighter and just judge the fight objectively. I don't even care much for the idea of a challenger having to win decisively to beat a champion, I only ever score fights objectively round by round, and I honestly struggled to give Bradley a single round at the weekend. When Pacquiao held back, Bradley didn't take advantage and press forward to give the impression that he had control of literally ANY of the rounds. Any time Pacquiao decided to throw, Bradley was immediately moved backwards and forced into a passive mode. Surely those two points show that Pacquiao was in total control of the fight if he felt comfortable enough to just standing his ground even when not throwing all that much. There was no point in the fight when Bradley forced Pacquiao on to the back foot. Pacquiao fought within himself for sure, he even looked disinterested at times because Bradley was no threat to him at all. As if the result wasn't awful enough, here is the viewpoint of one of the cretinous judges to reward Bradley for contributing nothing more than bravery to the fight. http://spam.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8036159/nevada-boxing-judge-duane-ford-claims-timothy-bradley-gave-manny-pacquiao-lesson |
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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2012, 05:59:24 PM » |
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That works both ways
I'm not biased at all mate but I just cannot fathom how Bradley could have been in any way competitive on the scorecards, let alone win a decision in a fight when he was on top at no point at all. |
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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2012, 06:47:29 PM » |
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I'm not biased at all mate but I just cannot fathom how Bradley could have been in any way competitive on the scorecards, let alone win a decision in a fight when he was on top at no point at all.
It bemuses me as well. |
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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2012, 07:05:11 PM » |
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Simple word gentlemen, objectivity.
I'm no PAC fan (shocking I know), but the most objective person in the world couldn't give that to Bradley mate. Anyone to genuinely give that to the challenger without any vested interest was watching something else. |
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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2012, 07:07:01 PM » |
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Simple word gentlemen, objectivity.
Objectivity? Come on then mate, without referring to Pacquiao taking time off in rounds and not having his usual output, and maybe starting to look like a faded force, what did Bradley actually do to earn enough rounds to win the fight? I am asking as not the biggest fan of either fighter yet as a totally baffled spectator. |
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« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2012, 07:19:04 PM » |
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However, you can argue until you are blue in the face that Bradley didn't win (your opinion) but the simple fact is, some people had him as the winner, including Heavyweight pundits like Thomas Hauser (his opinion)
You see the common theme here? opinions
Whether you simply cannot make a case for Bradley or not, others did
Objectivity
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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2012, 07:19:39 PM » |
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I'm not arguing a case for Bradley, i had him the loser.
However, you can argue until you are blue in the face that Bradley didn't win (your opinion) but the simple fact is, some people had him as the winner, including Heavyweight pundits like Thomas Hauser (his opinion)
You see the common theme here? opinions
Whether you simply cannot make a case for Bradley or not, others did
Objectivity
I just haven't read any detailed opinions of why Bradley deserved to win the fight though that's my point. Obviously opinions are going to be varied, and I cannot wait for someone to explain how Bradley emerged as a better fighter than Pacquiao on the night because to me it seemed obvious there was a gulf in class between the two of them. I would love to see Hauser's breakdown of the fight because I find him fascinating to read, and I really do wonder what he saw. |
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