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[BlueTaylor]

Got onto the website and the image provided...

[Red]

I'd tell them to bollocks in a polite letter.

[BlueTaylor]

Got onto the website and the image provided...

We all probs went down this road the same day but can't remember at what time etc

[Leve Lad]

In theory they have to prove it is you I think, the burden of proof is on them I imagine if you can prove other people are using the car, I don't know if I am honest and I am not sure how much hassle they might but you through if you say it wasn't you, I reckon you would get 3 points

That is not true. Sadly I’ve been there and tried that. I took it all the way to court and the duty solicitor took me aside before and basically said the best he could do was ask me to reconsider my not guilty plea and admit it was me or my missus thus reducing the points from 6 (For failing to notify them) to 3 (for the original offence).  When I got in court I asked for five minutes to reconsider. Went for a brew and got back into court and said it was me accepting the 3 points.
Its not worth it and a complete waste of time.

This was the letter I submitted originally:-
Dear Sirs,
Ref:   NOTICE OF INTENDED PROESECUTION Ref: C22321659
I write regarding NOTICE OF INTENDED PROESECUTION Ref: C22321659 which I received at my home on 26th November 2010.
The date of the alleged offence was 9th October 2010 at 10:38 on Errwood Road, Manchester.
The vehicle in question is a company vehicle and a number of people are legally allowed to drive it. However been as the alleged offence was on a weekend I have narrowed it down to being myself or my partner having been driving at the time.
Errwood Road is a road both I and my partner use on a regular basis and after checking our diaries it could have been either of us driving at that time. I have checked the photographic evidence online and the photograph is of the back of the vehicle making it impossible to see who was driving.
Whilst I appreciate if the details are correct an offence has been made I can’t honestly say who was driving at the time as we share the driving and the vehicle all the time. I am definitely the keeper of the vehicle but with regards to who was driving because the alleged offence was so long ago and we were both in Manchester that weekend (We spend a lot of time in Wrexham / Kent) we can’t remember who was actually driving at that time.
I will gladly help you with any further investigation and would like if possible that you could look at other possible evidence (CCTV?) which may help identify who was driving.
Please could you advise by return of what actions I need to take now to resolve this issue as soon as possible?  I can also be contact on my mobile 07970 **** **.
With Regards,

[BlueTaylor]

That is not true. Sadly I’ve been there and tried that. I took it all the way to court and the duty solicitor took me aside before and basically said the best he could do was ask me to reconsider my not guilty plea and admit it was me or my missus thus reducing the points from 6 (For failing to notify them) to 3 (for the original offence).  When I got in court I asked for five minutes to reconsider. Went for a brew and got back into court and said it was me accepting the 3 points.
Its not worth it and a complete waste of time.

This was the letter I submitted originally:-
Dear Sirs,
Ref:   NOTICE OF INTENDED PROESECUTION Ref: C22321659
I write regarding NOTICE OF INTENDED PROESECUTION Ref: C22321659 which I received at my home on 26th November 2010.
The date of the alleged offence was 9th October 2010 at 10:38 on Errwood Road, Manchester.
The vehicle in question is a company vehicle and a number of people are legally allowed to drive it. However been as the alleged offence was on a weekend I have narrowed it down to being myself or my partner having been driving at the time.
Errwood Road is a road both I and my partner use on a regular basis and after checking our diaries it could have been either of us driving at that time. I have checked the photographic evidence online and the photograph is of the back of the vehicle making it impossible to see who was driving.
Whilst I appreciate if the details are correct an offence has been made I can’t honestly say who was driving at the time as we share the driving and the vehicle all the time. I am definitely the keeper of the vehicle but with regards to who was driving because the alleged offence was so long ago and we were both in Manchester that weekend (We spend a lot of time in Wrexham / Kent) we can’t remember who was actually driving at that time.
I will gladly help you with any further investigation and would like if possible that you could look at other possible evidence (CCTV?) which may help identify who was driving.
Please could you advise by return of what actions I need to take now to resolve this issue as soon as possible?  I can also be contact on my mobile 07970 **** **.
With Regards,

How did they respond?

[Leve Lad]

How did they respond?

They sent me a letter saying they could not help me any further and it had been transfered to the magistrates court. A few days later I got my court summons and thats when I had to change my plea to guilty 

Its a waste of time and money fighting it IMO. Not providing the name of the driver is worse than speeding so you might as well take it on the chin 

Its a choice of 3 points or 6 with pretty much zero chance of not getting found guilty of either charge 

[jimjack]

As above mate. It is the legal right of the legal owner to provide details. They have done their part by giving a time, date, and place.

[BlueTaylor]

They sent me a letter saying they could not help me any further and it had been transfered to the magistrates court. A few days later I got my court summons and thats when I had to change my plea to guilty 

Its a waste of time and money fighting it IMO. Not providing the name of the driver is worse than speeding so you might as well take it on the chin 

Its a choice of 3 points or 6 with pretty much zero chance of not getting found guilty of either charge 

Choice of 3 or 6 points? Guessing the 6 if it goes to court?

[Leve Lad]

3 Is the minimum for the speeding offence.

6 Is the minimum for failing to provide the name of the driver.

Im not sure what the minimum fines are anymore 

 

[hoover]

That is not true. Sadly I’ve been there and tried that. I took it all the way to court and the duty solicitor took me aside before and basically said the best he could do was ask me to reconsider my not guilty plea and admit it was me or my missus thus reducing the points from 6 (For failing to notify them) to 3 (for the original offence).  When I got in court I asked for five minutes to reconsider. Went for a brew and got back into court and said it was me accepting the 3 points.
Its not worth it and a complete waste of time.

This was the letter I submitted originally:-
Dear Sirs,
Ref:   NOTICE OF INTENDED PROESECUTION Ref: C22321659
I write regarding NOTICE OF INTENDED PROESECUTION Ref: C22321659 which I received at my home on 26th November 2010.
The date of the alleged offence was 9th October 2010 at 10:38 on Errwood Road, Manchester.
The vehicle in question is a company vehicle and a number of people are legally allowed to drive it. However been as the alleged offence was on a weekend I have narrowed it down to being myself or my partner having been driving at the time.
Errwood Road is a road both I and my partner use on a regular basis and after checking our diaries it could have been either of us driving at that time. I have checked the photographic evidence online and the photograph is of the back of the vehicle making it impossible to see who was driving.
Whilst I appreciate if the details are correct an offence has been made I can’t honestly say who was driving at the time as we share the driving and the vehicle all the time. I am definitely the keeper of the vehicle but with regards to who was driving because the alleged offence was so long ago and we were both in Manchester that weekend (We spend a lot of time in Wrexham / Kent) we can’t remember who was actually driving at that time.
I will gladly help you with any further investigation and would like if possible that you could look at other possible evidence (CCTV?) which may help identify who was driving.
Please could you advise by return of what actions I need to take now to resolve this issue as soon as possible?  I can also be contact on my mobile 07970 **** **.
With Regards,

Can't get better advise than that then!

[BlueTaylor]

I know it wasn't me but seems a lot of hassle to say it wasn't me so mase well as it was me! I'm just worried its 6 points as insurance would kill me?

[hoover]

I know it wasn't me but seems a lot of hassle to say it wasn't me so mase well as it was me! I'm just worried its 6 points as insurance would kill me?

I imagine if you take it on the chin 3 will be your max

[Bonters]

Leve is correct  -  you get a higher penalty for not supplying the details of the driver than for the speeding.  If you GENUINELY do not know, and cannot establish, which of the three folk were driving, then it must surely follow that you specify the one person who will be least damaged by the points on their licence?  Regardless of who actually finances the fine at the end of the day?   

[Red]

It's infuriating that they can't prove who was driving, but demand someone takes the fall.

Sure there are people bending that to their advantage, but there are plenty who can't remember what was happening 2 weeks ago at a certain hour of a certain day. I'm one of them.

[BlueTaylor]

It's infuriating that they can't prove who was driving, but demand someone takes the fall.

Sure there are people bending that to their advantage, but there are plenty who can't remember what was happening 2 weeks ago at a certain hour of a certain day. I'm one of them.

I would of understood the "j can't remember who was driving" wouldn't of stuck had the image been the back of my car! It's the front of my car and have zoomed in far and disorientated the image. There's a sign in the image it says "welcome to royton" can't even make that out