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« on: June 20, 2012, 12:30:36 PM »

I don't get it at all.  When i first saw this kid burst onto the screen he lookd like a destroyer.
People just seemed to fall at his feet in a state of KO.

Now he looks slow, open and aukward in his ability. doesn't seem like the same fighter at all.  It was only in 2008 that i first saw him.

I thought he would hold an undefeated ranking and be a PPILb fighter???
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2012, 02:57:01 PM »

He was a victim of his own success, like a lot of boxers with similar capabilities.  He was knocking people out for fun, so he never bothered to address the serious flaws in his style.

Then he comes up against a tough son of a b in Salido, a guy who has not had the kind of red carpet treatment that Lopez had, who had to adjust his style to survive and then become successful, and he made Lopez miss and took advantage of that wide open defense.

Even then Lopez's talent nearly took him through it.  He dropped Salido hard in the 2nd fight, but it was at the end of a round and Salido recovered.

There are very few boxers that continuously improved, adapt.  Most just rinse, wash, repeat on what works well for them, and are befuddled when they get beaten.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2012, 03:18:02 PM »

He was a victim of his own success, like a lot of boxers with similar capabilities.  He was knocking people out for fun, so he never bothered to address the serious flaws in his style.

Then he comes up against a tough son of a b in Salido, a guy who has not had the kind of red carpet treatment that Lopez had, who had to adjust his style to survive and then become successful, and he made Lopez miss and took advantage of that wide open defense.

Even then Lopez's talent nearly took him through it.  He dropped Salido hard in the 2nd fight, but it was at the end of a round and Salido recovered.

There are very few boxers that continuously improved, adapt.  Most just rinse, wash, repeat on what works well for them, and are befuddled when they get beaten.

Brilliant post.

I'd add that Lopez's flaws were there even before the Mtagwa fight - the lack of head movement, the inability to lead effectively, his tendency to initiate an exchange, even when at a disadvantage, just to get the counter right hook home & bugger the incoming 'cos I'm gonna knock you out!

It was just that as you said, the more guys he knocked out, the less he took notice of his own flaws & the more weight he put on doing damage himself.

He can come again, though. Look at Jhonny Gonzalez, I thought after being done by Nishioka it was the end for him (in fact, I thought it was the end for him after getting done by Vazquez & then again by Penalosa), so it can be done. Gonzalez has worked hard to fix his technical flaws whilst maintaining his best qualities. You need something proper inside you to do that, though. Time will tell if JML can do similar...
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2012, 03:32:59 PM »

Shows how quickly things can change when not that long ago JML v Gamboa was in the top 3 of fights fans wanted to see most along with Floyd v Manny and Haye v a Klitschko.  Bob let it 'marinade' and JML get brutally stopped twice and now all Gamboa does is have his picture taken with Mayweather as opposed to fighting.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2012, 04:46:15 PM »

Lopez was a monster at SBW and his power saw him destroy smaller men. He doesn't have that at a higher weight and his defensive flaws have come to haunt him.
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2012, 05:16:47 PM »

He was overrated to being with... arum (as usual) was trying to hype him and milk him for all he could) then he put him in with the wrong guy... probably better off it was Salido since Gamboa would have utterly destroyed and ruined his career.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2012, 08:56:53 PM »

thanks for the feedback you must have seen a lot more than i have managed to cath.  I haven't seen him for ages until Salido 2 and wow he looked bad.

Bit like Naz Hamed then i suppose
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2012, 01:28:57 AM »

I don't get it at all.  When i first saw this kid burst onto the screen he lookd like a destroyer.
People just seemed to fall at his feet in a state of KO.

Now he looks slow, open and aukward in his ability. doesn't seem like the same fighter at all.  It was only in 2008 that i first saw him.

I thought he would hold an undefeated ranking and be a PPILb fighter???

its called he stopped fighting bums and never fought elite fighters to get exposed sooner .
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2012, 12:38:38 PM »

Seen him live against Marquez and even then i wasn't impressed, Rafael while losing the fight was having success and hurt him a few times.
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