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« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2012, 09:37:21 AM » |
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Ortiz quit. That's the third time (after Maidana and Mayweather) that he's found a way out.
"My corner wanted me to carry on but it was hard. It hurt every time he touched me."
It's harsh but boxing's a tough sport and 1000s of fighters have carried on with similar injuries.
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« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2012, 10:42:25 AM » |
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« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2012, 10:48:23 AM » |
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I'm mainly laughing at some of the comments I read from those who have never been in the situation. Especially comments about no heart etc. seriously. Give the lad a break (Lopez did lol)
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« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2012, 10:53:32 AM » |
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I'm mainly laughing at some of the comments I read from those who have never been in the situation. Especially comments about no heart etc. seriously. Give the lad a break (Lopez did lol)
Agreed, it is easy for us to say well such a person did it, a broken jaw aint no joke I would think. |
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« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2012, 11:32:06 AM » |
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There is no price for defence in Boxing.
Once again he gets stopped while ahead on the Cards.
His future in the Sport looks botched now.He loves getting into Wars but does not know how to suck it up when things don't go his way.
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« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2012, 11:44:25 AM » |
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Agreed, it is easy for us to say well such a person did it, a broken jaw aint no joke I would think.
People here are cold. They expect this kid to sacrifice his long term health for their entertainment. He was getting caught hard. It was a great fight and the rematch will be a treat. He's not a world class boxer but a very entertaining fighter. I'm not sure what people on this board expect? That was about as entertaining an 8 rounds as you'll get culminating in a severe injury that you need to be a bit insane to fight on with, and people are laying into him? Savour the rematch guys! |
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« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2012, 11:48:58 AM » |
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Just watched the fight cracking fight and surely a contender for fight of the year. I do believe that Ortiz was genuinely hurt there and its not easy when your in there and you have someone in front of you who's not letting up wanting to take your head off takes a lot of guts to be a boxer so some of the comments are harsh considering the fight we just witnessed.
I think a lot of credit has to be given to the ref who I thought was excellent handled the fight very well and took no nonsense from either fighter easy to be critical of officials but he was first class IMO.
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« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2012, 11:49:44 AM » |
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In all fairness the vast majority of people do not have the slightest f*cking clue what its like to be 'hurt' as fighters get hurt. They should attempt to walk a mile in their shoes before speaking bad of them, and most wouldn't even get ten yards down that road.
I had my jaw broken coming upto 3 months ago now, and it is extremely painful and debilitating. And mine was broken surgically and pain managed from the off. The pain a fighter must feel having their jaw bust during a fight is on a whole different level. And not just the pain, but also the fear factor of knowing you're seriously maimed and someone is coming to do more damage to you. Its one thing being 'brave' and coping with pain when you're now safe, but another entirely when you're still in danger of further suffering.
Before lambasting Ortiz people need to really ponder what happened. Think about it, ponder the pain involved of a bone snapping in your face, blood flooding your mouth and throat, and still being under attack. The keyboard warriors are out in full force today, on the boards, all over youtube, and frankly its out of order.
Folk who'd have been broken into bits by a fraction of the punishment that Ortiz had already absorbed, are now slating him for sitting it out after having his jaw bust?!
Ortiz might have sat it out when his jaw got broken where other fighters have continued, but i feel safe to say Victor Ortiz is still far braver and tougher than the vast majority of people out there.
I don't expect anybody to commend Ortiz for retiring on the stool, but nobody shout criticise him in the wake of that fight. He has nothing to feel bad about. He was winning a very tough fight imo, but got nailed by a bomb that broke his jaw. I hope he's OK today and the injury heals up fine.
It was a helluva fight for as long as it went, and a superb win for Lopez. Instead of blasting Ortiz today, folk should just be pleased with the terrific 9 rounds of action we got to see from both fighters.
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« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2012, 11:54:42 AM » |
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« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2012, 11:56:09 AM » |
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In all fairness the vast majority of people do not have the slightest f*cking clue what its like to be 'hurt' as fighters get hurt. They should attempt to walk a mile in their shoes before speaking bad of them, and most wouldn't even get ten yards down that road.
I had my jaw broken coming upto 3 months ago now, and it is extremely painful and debilitating. And mine was broken surgically and pain managed from the off. The pain a fighter must feel having their jaw bust during a fight is on a whole different level. And not just the pain, but also the fear factor of knowing you're seriously maimed and someone is coming to do more damage to you. Its one thing being 'brave' and coping with pain when you're now safe, but another entirely when you're still in danger of further suffering.
Before lambasting Ortiz people need to really ponder what happened. Think about it, ponder the pain involved of a bone snapping in your face, blood flooding your mouth and throat, and still being under attack. The keyboard warriors are out in full force today, on the boards, all over youtube, and frankly its out of order.
Folk who'd have been broken into bits by a fraction of the punishment that Ortiz had already absorbed, are now slating him for sitting it out after having his jaw bust?!
Ortiz might have sat it out when his jaw got broken where other fighters have continued, but i feel safe to say Victor Ortiz is still far braver and tougher than the vast majority of people out there.
I don't expect anybody to commend Ortiz for retiring on the stool, but nobody shout criticise him in the wake of that fight. He has nothing to feel bad about. He was winning a very tough fight imo, but got nailed by a bomb that broke his jaw. I hope he's OK today and the injury heals up fine.
It was a helluva fight for as long as it went, and a superb win for Lopez. Instead of blasting Ortiz today, folk should just be pleased with the terrific 9 rounds of action we got to see from both fighters.
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« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2012, 12:00:00 PM » |
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In all fairness the vast majority of people do not have the slightest f*cking clue what its like to be 'hurt' as fighters get hurt. They should attempt to walk a mile in their shoes before speaking bad of them, and most wouldn't even get ten yards down that road.
I had my jaw broken coming upto 3 months ago now, and it is extremely painful and debilitating. And mine was broken surgically and pain managed from the off. The pain a fighter must feel having their jaw bust during a fight is on a whole different level. And not just the pain, but also the fear factor of knowing you're seriously maimed and someone is coming to do more damage to you. Its one thing being 'brave' and coping with pain when you're now safe, but another entirely when you're still in danger of further suffering.
Before lambasting Ortiz people need to really ponder what happened. Think about it, ponder the pain involved of a bone snapping in your face, blood flooding your mouth and throat, and still being under attack. The keyboard warriors are out in full force today, on the boards, all over youtube, and frankly its out of order.
Folk who'd have been broken into bits by a fraction of the punishment that Ortiz had already absorbed, are now slating him for sitting it out after having his jaw bust?!
Ortiz might have sat it out when his jaw got broken where other fighters have continued, but i feel safe to say Victor Ortiz is still far braver and tougher than the vast majority of people out there.
I don't expect anybody to commend Ortiz for retiring on the stool, but nobody shout criticise him in the wake of that fight. He has nothing to feel bad about. He was winning a very tough fight imo, but got nailed by a bomb that broke his jaw. I hope he's OK today and the injury heals up fine.
It was a helluva fight for as long as it went, and a superb win for Lopez. Instead of blasting Ortiz today, folk should just be pleased with the terrific 9 rounds of action we got to see from both fighters.
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« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2012, 01:37:24 PM » |
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I don't think I would want to fight with a broken jaw but in Boxing you don't get much credit if your pulled out. I think Ortiz will always be labelled as a quitter but last night he looked in pain and no one wants to see anyone with serious health issues. I don't think it will damage his stock as he is a entertaining fighter who gives value for money.
Its a bit wrong when Watt and many others have nearly called him a coward but the truth is Ortiz wanted to fight on and his trainer pulled him out. We have seen many trainers allow there fighters to Box on when they are in pain or losing badly so Garcia did the right thing knowing his Guy was injured and if he had fought on he could have ended up in serious problems.
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« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2012, 01:38:56 PM » |
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Another exciting and controversial fight that Victor Ortiz is involved in, obviously a huge dissapointment that the Alvarez fight is out the window. I do feel even more so though after that 9 rounds that Alvarez is the superior fighter and would have beat Ortiz comfortably, could have been fun though.
I have never been through the pain of a broken jaw so it is difficult to comment. You do see plenty of fighters go through the pain especially like in Victor's situation in being ahead and with only a few rounds to go. Ortiz past obviously doesn't help him out at all and i can see the point of view where people have their doubts with him again being in a tough fight and not having it all his own way.
Hopefully the results are revealed on whether it was definately a broken jaw. Going to be difficult for him to come back from this regardless, i believe once again that we Saw Ortiz level of performance maybe cuts him short against the very top fighters but i still believe he can cause major problems to a few big names such as Khan, Peterson, Garcia and i would love to see Kell brook against him.
Something which is most important to mention and possibly slightly harsh with it being at the bottom of my post is the congratulations and credit to Lopez who surprised many of us by still being there in 9th and not as a punchbag but causing a fair share of problems for Ortiz.
Finally the referee was fantastic which is something rarely mentioned, hope to see him in some top fights soon.
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« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2012, 01:53:24 PM » |
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Finally the referee was fantastic which is something rarely mentioned, hope to see him in some top fights soon.
Yeah, I was thinking that too. Clear, calm and efficient. Cortez etc take note. My initial reaction was 'what a fanny, here we go again with crackpot Ortiz'. But in the cold light of day, a broken jaw is a serious injury. Ortiz isn't willing to riskhis future health for a crack at Canelo. It may not be the attitude of some of the greats (many of whom are in poor health and broke, remember) but I can understand his viewpoint. Oh, and two cracking fights. Great stuff. |
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« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2012, 01:56:02 PM » |
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Slightly side tracking here but if rios keeps moving up how good would a rios vs Ortiz scrap be? There is bad blood between them already which has been going on for some years now.
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