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« Reply #90 on: July 15, 2012, 04:17:27 PM »

Let us say that his Machismo antics are just a phase.

Let us assume he learns from these mistakes endured against the likes of Peterson & Garcia.

Let us delude ourselves at the prospect of him reinventing himself once again, and going on yet another action packed championship run against top contenders in his chosen division.

Would you deny yourself the entertainment and excitement of such future contests which may display the raw strength, will and determination Khan has exuded in his efforts to be the best, something that many fighters seldom commit to over an entire career.

As fans of the sport, should we not support his efforts, if not only for the good of the sport, which is apparently in demise, if not only for the sake of it's longevity and relevance in the expanding spectrum of combat sports entertainment?

I for one say yes, and I support him and his choice to go on for as long as it takes until the truth is undeniable.

Khan wants to be the best he never will be. The blue print was laid by Peterson and Gracia simply followed it that wasn't a lucky punch or flash knock down he'd been catching him earlier in the fight with heavy shots.

You speak of excitement and yes he does bring that however for him to reinvent himself he'd need to change style and that excitement would go, you can't fight every fight throwing a load of punches in the hope it keeps your opponent from landing.

The biggest problem here and its being skipped over is his boxing flaws there very evident the only way and only my opinion here for those to be addressed would be to change trainer and step down in class for a few fights against hard to knock out opponents but that's not in Khans mantle for various reasons.

Irish talks on this and his post has stuck with me today and something I read Khan say after the fight. What Irish said is right in Khans mind Prescott was an off night he's been beaten loads since Peterson must have been on drugs aye thats it and now on twitter and much the same as you its a luck heavyshot that would have floored anyone.

If you and others can't see the problems with him as a boxer then thats fine but the guy has tasted canvas against lesser punchers Willie Limond maintains to this day he had him out on his feet its time to face up to facts as a top level fighter Khan just doesn't have it.
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« Reply #91 on: July 15, 2012, 04:26:53 PM »

A phase? How many years is it since Prescott? It's 2 since Maidana! I personally can't stand him, I admire his bottle as he's always shown it, but I think he's deluded about his level, his arrogance is comical, and has been found out now many times by average fighters yet people still make excuses for him!

It has been less than four years since Prescott. Yes, I understand you were being rhetorical.

In that time he has beaten Fagan, Barrera, Kotelnik, Salita, Malignaggi, Maidana, McCloskey and Judah winning the WBA & IBF 140lbs Championship Titles.

He has shown bottle, which has entertained you, arrogance, promoting comical effect, and been found out by average fighters, which means you don't actually rate anyone he's fought, nor anyone who has beaten him, so everyone is a waste of your time and an embarrassment to the sport, so I suggest you find something else to indulge, seeing as you respect nothing and no one. Joker.
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« Reply #92 on: July 15, 2012, 04:31:13 PM »

Joker? Because I don't think the sun shines out of his arse, and I won't make excuses for his belief he is some kind of superstar when his record says otherwise. Name one elite fighter he has beaten, there are none, the 2 best names on his record are a shot Barrera and a past it Judah! If you want to rate Prescott, McCloskey, Salita, and Fagan as elite fighters you are the f***ing joker!
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« Reply #93 on: July 15, 2012, 04:35:32 PM »

Khan wants to be the best he never will be.

And it is his right to discover his own limitations throughout his entire life.

The blue print was laid by Peterson and Gracia simply followed it that wasn't a lucky punch or flash knock down he'd been catching him earlier in the fight with heavy shots.

Then it is on that in which he met his match, again.

You speak of excitement and yes he does bring that however for him to reinvent himself he'd need to change style and that excitement would go, you can't fight every fight throwing a load of punches in the hope it keeps your opponent from landing.

Many have reinvented themselves more times than once. Whether it is an effective style, or an entertaining style, that argument has no bearing on the fact he has the right to compete at whatever level in what ever fashion he sees fit.

The biggest problem here and its being skipped over is his boxing flaws there very evident the only way and only my opinion here for those to be addressed would be to change trainer and step down in class for a few fights against hard to knock out opponents but that's not in Khans mantle for various reasons.


Incoherent point.

If you and others can't see the problems with him as a boxer then thats fine but the guy has tasted canvas against lesser punchers Willie Limond maintains to this day he had him out on his feet its time to face up to facts as a top level fighter Khan just doesn't have it.

I can see the problems in his style. They are rectifiable, especially at such a young age. If you're so determined to deal in absolutes, I suggest you ignore his career from this day forward, because if we have to define each and every fighter by their efforts to conquer the elite then none of them would be worth a wank in your eyes, because it's a plain that very few get to reach, and the only way in which they do so is by trial and error.
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« Reply #94 on: July 15, 2012, 04:37:49 PM »

Joker? Because I don't think the sun shines out of his arse, and I won't make excuses for his belief he is some kind of superstar when his record says otherwise. Name one elite fighter he has beaten, there are none, the 2 best names on his record are a shot Barrera and a past it Judah! If you want to rate Prescott, McCloskey, Salita, and Fagan as elite fighters you are the f***ing joker!

You're a joker because you don't see the irony in your own comments. You don't rate anybody, therefore no one can achieve any kind of status in your eyes unless they fight every single top level contender and remain undefeated for their entire career, which seldom occurs in the entire history of the sport.
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« Reply #95 on: July 15, 2012, 04:43:33 PM »

And it is his right to discover his own limitations throughout his entire life.

Then it is on that in which he met his match, again.

Many have reinvented themselves more times than once. Whether it is an effective style, or an entertaining style, that argument has no bearing on the fact he has the right to compete at whatever level in what ever fashion he sees fit.
 

Incoherent point.

I can see the problems in his style. They are rectifiable, especially at such a young age. If you're so determined to deal in absolutes, I suggest you ignore his career from this day forward, because if we have to define each and every fighter by their efforts to conquer the elite then none of them would be worth a wank in your eyes, because it's a plain that very few get to reach, and the only way in which they do so is by trial and error.

Not every fighter says they can beat the best. He's finished he's 25 he's 30 fights in he won't change its over like it or not he isn't a world level fighter. GBP will likely tell him there are no more fights stateside.

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« Reply #96 on: July 15, 2012, 04:44:13 PM »

I haven't rated anybody, Khan is a self described elite fighter, he calls himself a superstar and slates the likes of brook who call him out as nobodies, yet his own record is a who's who of has beens and fringe world class fighters, nothing to mark him down as an elite fighter or pound for pound great. He needs to learn some humility before he changed his style flaws!
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« Reply #97 on: July 15, 2012, 04:46:53 PM »

You're a joker because you don't see the irony in your own comments. You don't rate anybody, therefore no one can achieve any kind of status in your eyes unless they fight every single top level contender and remain undefeated for their entire career, which seldom occurs in the entire history of the sport.

Instead of having a go at people, what would your plan be for Khan who would you have him fighting training him where do YOU see his career going.
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« Reply #98 on: July 15, 2012, 05:03:59 PM »

If I was Danny Garcia i'd do the rematch and make bank $$$$$$$. They already know the gameplan, Khan running on the outside, Garcia already knows how hard he hits etc.

I'd do it, kill Khans career at the top flight, I don't mean that in a dick way but if he gives Amir the rematch, bangs him out again, no one can say it was a freak neck shot blah, blah blah, and then move on If I was Danny Garcia.

Garcia is still crude, swinging blind and cutting easily, yes he has *some power, timing and combination's but if they push him forward to fast he'll get found out, someone like Floyd would eat him alive. If they take the time to refine him, get him as much experience as he can, he will be the real deal.

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« Reply #99 on: July 15, 2012, 05:08:32 PM »

Not every fighter says they can beat the best. He's finished he's 25 he's 30 fights in he won't change its over like it or not he isn't a world level fighter. GBP will likely tell him there are no more fights stateside.

So, he cannot beat the best at this point in his career, but if you're telling me that every fighter is ready for the scrap heap just because they can't contend at the highest level at a particular point in their lives just further reinforces my opinion of you as a joke dealing in absolutes.
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« Reply #100 on: July 15, 2012, 05:14:27 PM »

I haven't rated anybody, Khan is a self described elite fighter, he calls himself a superstar and slates the likes of brook who call him out as nobodies, yet his own record is a who's who of has beens and fringe world class fighters, nothing to mark him down as an elite fighter or pound for pound great. He needs to learn some humility before he changed his style flaws!

If you truly believe that he has only faced "has beens" and "fringe world class fighters" I feel sorry for you. You're obviously unaware of the realities synonymous with this sport. Nothing is absolute. What one fighter is classed as today may not be the case tomorrow. Everything and everyone continues to evolve.

There are very few fighters who adhere to the notion that they have fought the very best since their conception throughout an entire career. Khan is no exception. If he is guilty, then I'd say most are guilty, and not worthy of your praises, and subject to your scrutiny.

I hope you find what you're looking for in the future, because the sport of Boxing does not suffice, obviously.
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« Reply #101 on: July 15, 2012, 05:16:28 PM »

Instead of having a go at people, what would your plan be for Khan who would you have him fighting training him where do YOU see his career going.

I think he should go to Oz and ask The Wizard for a Chin.
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« Reply #102 on: July 15, 2012, 05:17:08 PM »

So, he cannot beat the best at this point in his career, but if you're telling me that every fighter is ready for the scrap heap just because they can't contend at the highest level at a particular point in their lives just further reinforces my opinion of you as a joke dealing in absolutes.

Lamont Peterson or Danny Garcia are not 'the best' ones a decent contender level fighter and the other is a novice world champion with a bright future.

You're doing a great job at telling people how much of a joke there thoughts are but aren't sharing any of your own on Khan's future just that he may 're-invent' himself.
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« Reply #103 on: July 15, 2012, 05:18:01 PM »

I'm using Khans own Rhetoric here, he has described himself as an Elite fighter all through this promotion whilst describing Garcia as a level below, so maybe Amir  is also unaware of the realities synonymous with this sport! Although after last night  I think the realisation may be hitting home!
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« Reply #104 on: July 15, 2012, 05:18:27 PM »

I think he should go to Oz and ask The Wizard for a Chin.

Think I'm done with you clearly you have issues.
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