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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2012, 05:06:53 PM » |
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Yeh good points, to be fair I could have been on all day with it, just thought i would start with what we have, further down the line I can do separate articles about them points
I can imagine thought your post on the other thread on the knock down was spot on anyhow just thought its something I'd mention looking back at the Peterson fight I've never seen a fighter run in the ring until that night and the flaws just aren't being addressed. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2012, 06:54:49 PM » |
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Good Article Gibbo  Khan is just one of those athletes who rubs up people the wrong way, He is always trying to make out he is this global superstar but in reality he is a arsehole with not much likeability. I was at the Middlebrook once and he rolled up with a posse of asians opening doors for him and calling him the boss and mr Khan it was sad to see he was only about 19 and not won anything at that point. A load of young kids were pointing at him trying to take photos on mobiles but he just shunned them and his ''minders'' were just asking people to move on as he was busy....busy walking around in a packed shopping centre you couldn't make it up. I have always been a fan of his as he is exciting enough when he is on the front foot but when he gets dragged into a fight he just goes to pieces and as no instinct to react when hurt. He is finished in my opinion he may fight Guys like Maidana or Peterson again but for the top boys he is never going to land a major name in his career and its a shame really because he as so much offensive ability. If he had rectified his defensive problems under Roach you could see he would be one Guy of only a handful who would match Floyd for speed and Mayweather shown against Judah he can lose early rounds to a fast starter. I don't Khan would ever beat Mayweather but he would have posed a few questions early on but he just as not improved and thats down to him and Roach. |
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2012, 07:02:29 PM » |
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Good article Gibbo. Hits home tons of good points. One thing about the Behind the Ropes episode stood out (among the many things that stands out), especially with all this talk about changing trainer. Around the 25minute mark, Roach is coaching Khan while sparring. He says, "He's throwing that wide hook, it's gonna go right over your shoulder. Fall away from it, get deep under it, double up and get out."
The kid don't listen. Is a change of trainer going to change that? |
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2012, 11:37:26 PM » |
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It's actually interesting, Gibbo, cos I know you have no real love for Khan, which shows through. You are quite right to say that he keeps rubbing fans up the wrong way, but for some reason it never has that effect on me and I always end up cutting him some slack. BUT, I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to the likes of Haye, who I used to support and now I cannot stand the nob and will never miss a chance to rubbish him. I think the reason is that I see Haye as having intellect and doing what he does deliberately, whereas Khan is of low intellect and I think he just plainly says what he's thinking. The fact that he has a far higher regard for his abilities than I do doesn't really grate on me like it does some people. There will definitely always be folk waiting for him to fall from grace, no doubt about it. I cannot think that a change of trainer is going to do that much for him now to be honest. I think that Roach is as good as they come, but only if he has the correct raw materials to work with. The issue there is really the distance between the two, which cannot help any. Khan has some really fabulous and inspiring boxing attributes, but hasn't yet learned how to use them to best advantage. He has heart and balls within the ropes, no question about that. But acumen is still lacking. For all that, I'd still rather watch his fights than many others, they're still edge of the seat stuff for me. And I guess the fact that I'm not THAT bothered if he gets beat, albeit I'd rather see him win. I shall certainly be interested to see how he reacts to this latest setback. On the whole, I think British boxing is better for having him than not.
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2012, 07:11:46 AM » |
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Cheers Jay
Not harsh enough you mean?
i was just expecting it to be a bit more damning. Khan could and probably should be torn to shreads and the article was quite respectful. Im not knocking it one bit tho it was really well put. |
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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2012, 10:49:12 AM » |
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2012, 11:20:29 AM » |
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Read this in the papers today I can't actually blame Khan if Roach isn't giving him enough time then he has every right to either sort it out or look elsewhere. |
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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2012, 11:26:03 AM » |
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Read this in the papers today I can't actually blame Khan if Roach isn't giving him enough time then he has every right to either sort it out or look elsewhere.
no me neither, but he would have to choose carefully and wisely. And i dont think there's anyone in team Khan that is careful or wise. |
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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2012, 01:29:22 PM » |
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Nailed it for me mate. I try to support him but then he opens his mouth and i just want to put my fist in it, but its hard to place a shot when he has already got both feet in it.
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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2012, 01:37:39 PM » |
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« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2012, 04:40:50 PM » |
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Read this in the papers today I can't actually blame Khan if Roach isn't giving him enough time then he has every right to either sort it out or look elsewhere.
I strongly disagree actually. Roach has been with Pacman for a decade and gets a big slice of £20m paydays twice or three times a year. Khan gives him 15% of $950k each time he fights. Fact is, Roach earns more from a Pacman fight, than Amir earns in his entire purse per fight. And he was the fighter coming off a KO loss, looking to rebuild. He's done fook all really since then, but has started self-billing himself as a 'superstar' and 'pound-for-pound' yet again and suddenly is looking for excuses for bruising losses to a mediocre and reasonable opponents in Peterson and Garcia respectively. |
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« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2012, 04:48:18 PM » |
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I strongly disagree actually.
Roach has been with Pacman for a decade and gets a big slice of £20m paydays twice or three times a year.
Khan gives him 15% of $950k each time he fights.
Fact is, Roach earns more from a Pacman fight, than Amir earns in his entire purse per fight.
And he was the fighter coming off a KO loss, looking to rebuild. He's done fook all really since then, but has started self-billing himself as a 'superstar' and 'pound-for-pound' yet again and suddenly is looking for excuses for bruising losses to a mediocre and reasonable opponents in Peterson and Garcia respectively.
I see what your saying but then Roach isn't doing Khan any favours if he can't commit to his training needs it was clear from the behind the ropes footage Khan was struggling in fact I actually said on here I didn't think he looked fit. If its not working for Khan he should move on personally I don't see massive improvements under Roach. |
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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2012, 05:45:47 PM » |
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Have to laugh at some of the comments going around since this fight... "khan is still an elite fighter" "khan is still the superior boxer".... Utter garbage. If he was so superior and elite why didn't he bloody win then?? Elite fighters don't lose to Prescott Peterson Garcia and the likes. Period.
Khan should go back to european level and take a few fights there and learn his trade properly, if he didn't avoid the Tough domestic scene and European scene when he was coming through he might have learnt a few things and would be in this mess.
Good article gibbo
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« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2012, 06:13:02 PM » |
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Have to laugh at some of the comments going around since this fight... "khan is still an elite fighter" "khan is still the superior boxer".... Utter garbage. If he was so superior and elite why didn't he bloody win then?? Elite fighters don't lose to Prescott Peterson Garcia and the likes. Period.
Khan should go back to european level and take a few fights there and learn his trade properly, if he didn't avoid the Tough domestic scene and European scene when he was coming through he might have learnt a few things and would be in this mess.
Good article gibbo
Exactly the bit in bold well said that man. |
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« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2012, 06:25:23 PM » |
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I honestly believe khan is a good boxer when he boxes and listens, but i think he lets people get into his head and trys to prove people wrong, he could of been in and out and outpointed garcia with total ease but hes in the ring and starts to believe his own hype... he does have the speed, good footwork,,, if he listened he could outbox anyone in the 140 division with ease but he gets cocky and his closer team around him blow smoke up his ass, i was reading hes thinking about leaving roach but if someone tells you what to do in the corner and you always do what you please, i dont think it will matter if jesus christ himself came down from heaven and coached khan  |
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