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« on: July 02, 2017, 04:59:50 AM »

Well well well no one saw that! 117-111 115-113 x2 for the NEW wbo world champion Jeff Horn. What a fight some heart and balls shown from both guys and Jeff boxed out of his skin his speed and movement had Manny stumped from the first bell.
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2017, 05:13:08 AM »

Just reading in twitter all the Americans saying it's a robbery and this is everything that's wrong with boxing. But then Steve Bunce had Horn winning. What was your take on it?
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2017, 07:33:39 AM »

Thought it was a great fight, no robbery it was the right result. I felt Horn did enough to win, he was edging alot of the rounds. He fought dirty and maybe could have had points deducted but no doubt about the winner. It was a war, credit to both guys.
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2017, 07:56:23 AM »

Just watched it and first impression Horn did his best to make it scrappy and hard to score but for me no doubt Pacquiao won the fight. By far the cleaner shots, the more eye catching shots, had Horn wobbling on a number of occasions especially in that 9th round where it could easily have been stopped. A 3 or 4 point margin in Pac's favour seemed about right to me so I'm surprised at the decision to say the least.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2017, 08:01:42 AM »

Pacquiao: 182 punches landed of 573 = 32%

Horn: 92 punches landed of 625 = 15%

Farce of a result. Pac landed a higher % of punches against Floyd (18%)

116-112 or 117-112 to Pac would have been the right result.
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2017, 09:45:56 AM »

Lou Di Bella and Dan Raf are going on like it's the biggest robbery of all time while Bunce and Paulie Malignaggi had Horn winning.

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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2017, 10:20:50 AM »

Glad a few others tuned in as well, I was going to leave it until this morning, was a long night, may regret my decision later on.
It was a good competitive fight, despite being scrappy at times, obviously Pacquiao's further drop in level contributed to that. I was willing him to get the job done on what looked like just was going to be an off night to hopefully set up bigger and more competitive fights for the division, even though I realise his level had dropped I still had him in the top 3 or 4 Welters.

He just could not get going from the off, very one dimensional and he just couldn't get the timing, Horn had a great game plan, getting on the chest making it rough, bouncing in straight off a fast jab, not all shots landing clean but he certainly had a rhythm to his work that Manny could not get with. As the fight went on Manny landed the better shots but just not enough, he obviously had the big 9th where you thought he would finally get the stoppage victory and as I said find the way to win on an off night. Horn built enough of a lead for me at the beginning to grind out the victory at the end, I was not scoring round by round but certainly he edged the fight about 7-5 in rounds. As I said I wanted Manny to win but I couldn't deny the win from Horn, his tactics were clever, a bit dirty at times but he never allowed Pacquiao into a rhythm and I thought the right man won despite the wide scores, If it would have gone Pacquiao's way I would have certainly felt it was iffy.

When these seemingly one sided fights happen, there can be a perception that if somebody does better than expected in terms of competing in the fight that people may get swayed in their scoring of the fight and because of the shock value they overvalue their efforts in the fight and have them either more competitive on the scorecards or actually taking the fight. I believe I have watched enough boxing over the years to be able to score the fight correctly whilst still being able to appreciate a sometimes surprising valiant effort in a fight. I also think it can be flipped to the other side though where if someone is expected to be dominant or is the renown fighter that people will automatically give rounds to them and say just because they were tested more does not mean they were beaten. A couple of recent matters I can refer to would perhaps be GGG/Jacobs and Canelo/Lara, I'm sure there is more, I would like to watch the first fight back but I personally felt Jacobs took that one and because there is a hype train with GGG his name was overvalued in terms of people scoring the fight as it actually happens.

I felt last night was perhaps a bit more clear cut on who the winner was than the fight I just mentioned, Horn was not always accurate but I just don't think Pacquiao did enough to grind it out. Obviously you can also point to punch stats, compubox etc which does make you question your decision but it has happened before and you have to believe in your verdict of the fight, Horn did miss an awful lot but I just felt Pacquiao was poor and Horn really did press the fight more and took the fight.

I tend to agree with Bunce that there does seem to be an American journalist theme with results like this where they cry robbery and not even acknowledge it was actually a close fight. I looked all over twitter after the fight and couldn't see anyone giving it to Horn, it seemed to literally only be the Boxnation team, I'm glad there has been another couple of votes for Horn on here, overwhelmingly anywhere else the vote is firmly with Pacquaio.  
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2017, 11:56:45 AM »

Glad a few others tuned in as well, I was going to leave it until this morning, was a long night, may regret my decision later on.
It was a good competitive fight, despite being scrappy at times, obviously Pacquiao's further drop in level contributed to that. I was willing him to get the job done on what looked like just was going to be an off night to hopefully set up bigger and more competitive fights for the division, even though I realise his level had dropped I still had him in the top 3 or 4 Welters.

He just could not get going from the off, very one dimensional and he just couldn't get the timing, Horn had a great game plan, getting on the chest making it rough, bouncing in straight off a fast jab, not all shots landing clean but he certainly had a rhythm to his work that Manny could not get with. As the fight went on Manny landed the better shots but just not enough, he obviously had the big 9th where you thought he would finally get the stoppage victory and as I said find the way to win on an off night. Horn built enough of a lead for me at the beginning to grind out the victory at the end, I was not scoring round by round but certainly he edged the fight about 7-5 in rounds. As I said I wanted Manny to win but I couldn't deny the win from Horn, his tactics were clever, a bit dirty at times but he never allowed Pacquiao into a rhythm and I thought the right man won despite the wide scores, If it would have gone Pacquiao's way I would have certainly felt it was iffy.

When these seemingly one sided fights happen, there can be a perception that if somebody does better than expected in terms of competing in the fight that people may get swayed in their scoring of the fight and because of the shock value they overvalue their efforts in the fight and have them either more competitive on the scorecards or actually taking the fight. I believe I have watched enough boxing over the years to be able to score the fight correctly whilst still being able to appreciate a sometimes surprising valiant effort in a fight. I also think it can be flipped to the other side though where if someone is expected to be dominant or is the renown fighter that people will automatically give rounds to them and say just because they were tested more does not mean they were beaten. A couple of recent matters I can refer to would perhaps be GGG/Jacobs and Canelo/Lara, I'm sure there is more, I would like to watch the first fight back but I personally felt Jacobs took that one and because there is a hype train with GGG his name was overvalued in terms of people scoring the fight as it actually happens.

I felt last night was perhaps a bit more clear cut on who the winner was than the fight I just mentioned, Horn was not always accurate but I just don't think Pacquiao did enough to grind it out. Obviously you can also point to punch stats, compubox etc which does make you question your decision but it has happened before and you have to believe in your verdict of the fight, Horn did miss an awful lot but I just felt Pacquiao was poor and Horn really did press the fight more and took the fight.

I tend to agree with Bunce that there does seem to be an American journalist theme with results like this where they cry robbery and not even acknowledge it was actually a close fight. I looked all over twitter after the fight and couldn't see anyone giving it to Horn, it seemed to literally only be the Boxnation team, I'm glad there has been another couple of votes for Horn on here, overwhelmingly anywhere else the vote is firmly with Pacquaio.  

Great summary pretty much sums up what i thought
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2017, 12:12:20 PM »

Just watched it and first impression Horn did his best to make it scrappy and hard to score but for me no doubt Pacquiao won the fight. By far the cleaner shots, the more eye catching shots, had Horn wobbling on a number of occasions especially in that 9th round where it could easily have been stopped. A 3 or 4 point margin in Pac's favour seemed about right to me so I'm surprised at the decision to say the least.

I watched the fight with the sound turned off in the casino, maybe it coloured the way I saw the fight because I wasn't listening to bias comentators.

Manny was getting taged with big shots in every round and was getting beaten up on the ropes. I agree with you that Horn looked badly hurt at one point, cloose to getting taken out but being badly hurt is just one round in a 12 round fight. He got back on top of Manny a couple of rounds later. I was disappointed Pacquiao didn't close the show after that, it looked like the writing was on the wall but Manny allowed him to recover and Horn frustrated Manny after that.

Great fight, and for me it was very close. Horn was landing clean shot on the outside through out and was beating Manny up on the inside. Did enough for me.
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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2017, 12:27:43 PM »

He just could not get going from the off, very one dimensional and he just couldn't get the timing, Horn had a great game plan, getting on the chest making it rough, bouncing in straight off a fast jab, not all shots landing clean but he certainly had a rhythm to his work that Manny could not get with. As the fight went on Manny landed the better shots but just not enough, he obviously had the big 9th where you thought he would finally get the stoppage victory and as I said find the way to win on an off night. Horn built enough of a lead for me at the beginning to grind out the victory at the end, I was not scoring round by round but certainly he edged the fight about 7-5 in rounds. As I said I wanted Manny to win but I couldn't deny the win from Horn, his tactics were clever, a bit dirty at times but he never allowed Pacquiao into a rhythm and I thought the right man won despite the wide scores, If it would have gone Pacquiao's way I would have certainly felt it was iffy.

Thats exactly how I feel about the fight mate. It's so easy to be bias being a Manny fan and not knowing who the hell the other guy was before the fight. The right man won. I don't agree with the scores, it was a really close fight.
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2017, 01:29:13 PM »

I watched it trying to score rounds for Pac.i couldnt I had it 7-5 to horn or possibly 6-6. It was very tight.

It certainly was not a robbery. spam stats look very dodged too. The punch stats seemed biased
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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2017, 03:36:13 PM »

I just watched the spam repeat and I had it 115-114 for Pac.....I didn't think the results was an horrendous robbery, the rounds were rugged and messy and many were up for debate. But I don't think Manny deserved to lose his title.

I'll be honest I've lost nearly all interest in watching Manny fight over the last few years. A few years back he was a must see fighter, now I don't really give a shit. In a way he's paid the price for this retarded world tour thing he's been doing when if he wanted to keep fighting he should have been taking part in fights against the likes of Thurman, Brook, Spence, etc. Instead he's been taking on fringe guys and been turning in lacklustre showings just picking up a cheque. He's become a side attraction away from the real action at 147. And that was his choice.

Horn was very well conditioned, brave and came to win. He's 'decent' but that's about it. He won't be champion for long if he competes at top level. He was lucky to get the win last night, but he made his own luck and gave himself the best chance to be rewarded with such a game effort.
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2017, 07:08:03 PM »

Horn was very well conditioned, brave and came to win. He's 'decent' but that's about it. He won't be champion for long if he competes at top level. He was lucky to get the win last night, but he made his own luck and gave himself the best chance to be rewarded with such a game effort.

Thats pretty much how I feel about Horn. At welter the talent pool is big and I can't see him making too many ripples beyond this point..

In regards to the fight, Horn was too big for Many. The size difference was huge and it showed.
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2017, 09:18:11 AM »

I cant believe Teddy Atlas threw his toys out his pram so strongly. I thought the right man got the nod but i can see lots of people dissagree so that should show just how close it was.


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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2017, 11:42:39 AM »

Would Kell or Spence easily defeat Manny on that showing then?
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