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« Reply #2145 on: January 23, 2010, 09:11:39 AM »

I dont know about others but for me , i think shane beats pacman at 147 .

I think at his best he would have had a great chance, at 38 years old not too sure.
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« Reply #2146 on: January 23, 2010, 09:34:46 AM »

I think at his best he would have had a great chance, at 38 years old not too sure.

I don't know whether Shane beats Pac at 147 (whether he's 38 or 28), but I'm not so sure that 'age' is so much a factor for a guy like Shane...of course, the biological aging process is a factor to consider but it's also about how you look after yourself (i.e. maintaining the body as a temple)...on top of being a naturally blessed athlete who posseses wonderful speed, Shane always keeps himself in great shape between fights and has always done so throughout his career...Bernard Hopkins is of course the main example used with respect to defying age, but I genuinely believe that Mosley gets overlooked in this respect...at 38, Shane is probably better conditioned, fitter and stronger than a lot of the guys who are much younger than him in and around his weight...

On top of that, experience obviously results in growth in ring craft and intelligence, and from this perspective, Shane is a far superior fighter to what he was when he was younger...Shane has become an extremely tricky fighter to deal with, especially since teaming up with Richardson (I think the dad was holding him back in this respect - for example, against Cotto the dad just kept telling him to 'have fun'  Grin)...
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« Reply #2147 on: January 24, 2010, 01:22:05 AM »

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz0123a10.htm

Roach says manny wants ultimate test, but my statement is... why didn't you take the opportunity when you had it? It makes it look like they were the ones scared to fight Floyd... he doesn't "need" Floyd? Now manny has raised more questions than ever by dipping and dodging the PED issue and actually needs Floyd more than ever. If he doesn't do random testing and take the fight, manny will not go down as an ATG IMO. If he fights Floyd and Floyd wins and makes it look easy people will say he must have used PED's before because he couldn't fight without them... tough spot to be in honestly.


Here is the full interview:

Roach exclusive: Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather most important fight for 30 years and must happen

By Gareth A Davies Boxing and MMA Last updated: January 23rd, 2010

Freddie Roach has spoken to Telegraph Sport in depth about his exasperation in dealings behind the scenes in getting the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight to come to fruition. Roach told me: “The bottom line is that we don’t really need him, many could have two more fights, in between go to the election in the Philippines, make another 20 million US dollars, and retire. We really don’t need Mayweather. There are easier fights out there for Manny.”

But in reality, Roach, and Pacquiao, insisted to me that they want this fight because the Filipino wants the ultimate test, which Mayweather would provide. “Look, this is a fight the world wants to see, I want to see, Manny wants to see, and it would be a real shame for boxing fans, and casual sports fans, all over the world, if it does not happen. I have been through this before – and I hope we come out the other end with a positive from both sides.”

Roach also revealed that Pacquiao and he had planned to train exclusively in LA for the Mayweather fight, originally planned for March 13, having decided to forego the portion of the training camp in The Philippines. “There are so many pressures on him when he trains there, because of the demands on him from all quarters. We had put together the idea of training exclusively here at the Wild Card.”

“Manny got the green light over his busted eardrum [sustained in his victory over Miguel Cotto last November], and we had planned an early January press conference and then we were going straight into training camp.”

Roach also told Telegraph Sport that the insinuations over PEDs levelled at Pacquiao were hurtful – and believes they were a systematic ploy from Mayweather and his adviser Leonard Ellerbe: “It’s kind of a shame in today’s society that people are always looking for a negative. Why can’t Paulie Malignaggi and Floyd Mayweather just say Manny’s a good fighter, because that’s all he is…he’s a good fighter. He’s the most honest guy I’ve known, he doesn’t like taking anything. He has never taken drugs. I know him really well. I’ve been with him and around him since 2001. I have problems getting him to take vitamins, and he doesn’t like needles. I know it’s out there, and people are saying ‘why wouldn’t he take a blood test, and they think we’re hiding something. He does not react well to having blood taken. He’s weak for three days, afterwards. Some people pass out after blood being taken. Maybe it’s not physical, but it bothers him mentally. We can’t have that five days or three days out from the fight. [With calls for random blood tests from Mayweather right up to the day before the fight]. I don’t want to send my fighter in there feeling weak mentally or physically, so we would not agree to that.”

“Ellerbe says he wants a level playing fields. Ok, we’ll tie one of Manny’s hands behind his back,” joked Roach, now preparing Pacquiao to face Ghanaian Joshua Clottey instead on March 13, in Arlington, Texas, at the NFL home of the Cowboys.

“I think that was their ploy all along, to get under our skin. Who is Mayweather ? He’s just the opponent, not the champion. If this fight doesn’t happen, these two guys will be known as the fighters who avoided each other, and did not make it happen. In my view, it has to happen for the sake of boxing. It simply has to happen.”
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« Reply #2148 on: January 24, 2010, 04:02:05 PM »

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Benz/DHBenz0123a10.htm

Roach says manny wants ultimate test, but my statement is... why didn't you take the opportunity when you had it? It makes it look like they were the ones scared to fight Floyd... he doesn't "need" Floyd? Now manny has raised more questions than ever by dipping and dodging the PED issue and actually needs Floyd more than ever. If he doesn't do random testing and take the fight, manny will not go down as an ATG IMO. If he fights Floyd and Floyd wins and makes it look easy people will say he must have used PED's before because he couldn't fight without them... tough spot to be in honestly.


Here is the full interview:

Roach exclusive: Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather most important fight for 30 years and must happen

By Gareth A Davies Boxing and MMA Last updated: January 23rd, 2010

Freddie Roach has spoken to Telegraph Sport in depth about his exasperation in dealings behind the scenes in getting the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight to come to fruition. Roach told me: “The bottom line is that we don’t really need him, many could have two more fights, in between go to the election in the Philippines, make another 20 million US dollars, and retire. We really don’t need Mayweather. There are easier fights out there for Manny.”

But in reality, Roach, and Pacquiao, insisted to me that they want this fight because the Filipino wants the ultimate test, which Mayweather would provide. “Look, this is a fight the world wants to see, I want to see, Manny wants to see, and it would be a real shame for boxing fans, and casual sports fans, all over the world, if it does not happen. I have been through this before – and I hope we come out the other end with a positive from both sides.”

Roach also revealed that Pacquiao and he had planned to train exclusively in LA for the Mayweather fight, originally planned for March 13, having decided to forego the portion of the training camp in The Philippines. “There are so many pressures on him when he trains there, because of the demands on him from all quarters. We had put together the idea of training exclusively here at the Wild Card.”

“Manny got the green light over his busted eardrum [sustained in his victory over Miguel Cotto last November], and we had planned an early January press conference and then we were going straight into training camp.”

Roach also told Telegraph Sport that the insinuations over PEDs levelled at Pacquiao were hurtful – and believes they were a systematic ploy from Mayweather and his adviser Leonard Ellerbe: “It’s kind of a shame in today’s society that people are always looking for a negative. Why can’t Paulie Malignaggi and Floyd Mayweather just say Manny’s a good fighter, because that’s all he is…he’s a good fighter. He’s the most honest guy I’ve known, he doesn’t like taking anything. He has never taken drugs. I know him really well. I’ve been with him and around him since 2001. I have problems getting him to take vitamins, and he doesn’t like needles. I know it’s out there, and people are saying ‘why wouldn’t he take a blood test, and they think we’re hiding something. He does not react well to having blood taken. He’s weak for three days, afterwards. Some people pass out after blood being taken. Maybe it’s not physical, but it bothers him mentally. We can’t have that five days or three days out from the fight. [With calls for random blood tests from Mayweather right up to the day before the fight]. I don’t want to send my fighter in there feeling weak mentally or physically, so we would not agree to that.”

“Ellerbe says he wants a level playing fields. Ok, we’ll tie one of Manny’s hands behind his back,” joked Roach, now preparing Pacquiao to face Ghanaian Joshua Clottey instead on March 13, in Arlington, Texas, at the NFL home of the Cowboys.

“I think that was their ploy all along, to get under our skin. Who is Mayweather ? He’s just the opponent, not the champion. If this fight doesn’t happen, these two guys will be known as the fighters who avoided each other, and did not make it happen. In my view, it has to happen for the sake of boxing. It simply has to happen.”



Talk about contradicting yourself one minute they don't need Floyd the next they need it for the sake of boxing. I wish Freddie would give it a rest.
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« Reply #2149 on: January 24, 2010, 08:33:13 PM »

Talk about contradicting yourself one minute they don't need Floyd the next they need it for the sake of boxing. I wish Freddie would give it a rest.

yes freddie is good in that he speaks his mind but that doesnt mean he is always right.

I have a lot of respect for freddie he is very successful, does things his own way and battles some horrendous illnesses.

Sometimes some of the things he says tho do make me think, hmmm who benefits from you saying that? I understand a lot of his statements carry psycological flavours to try and get into the head of the opposition but sometimes it just sounds daft like....


When he said he didnt want khan to fight maidana because it was too dangerous.Thats not helping any1? It makes him look like he doesnt have faith in khan, it makes boxing look bad that boxers would rather duck 'hard' opponents and fight tomato cans it makes the WBA look bad because their belt is seen as not worth fighting for.


Usually he comes out with class comments that everyone is thinking and he seems to be trying to look after manny so he doesnt get totally surrounded by yes men and politicians.
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« Reply #2150 on: January 25, 2010, 04:18:05 AM »

Whoa... Cheesy The queen is a Pacman fan Grin
http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-Boxing-Examiner~y2010m1d23-Queen-Elizabeth-Pacquiao-gives-Mayweather-royal-beating
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