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« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2010, 04:46:15 PM » |
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They offered Froch pennies to go to Germany about 5 weeks after he fought Groenwald. If they were serious they would have set a proper date in stone - and not a month before the fight itself, without even affording Froch a proper camp to prepare for a southpaw. When pressed for a negotiation meeting to take place they went silent. So Froch hung in there until his ranking made him a mandatory with proper purse negotiation rights. Then he would not be avoided.
Froch was mandated by the BBBoC to defend his British title against Brian Magee and wanted the Lonsdale to keep.
Froch had 3 fights on SKY in a 6 month period from Dec 2005 to May 2006 - all KO wins.
Beyer would have been drinking his bratwurst through a straw had he ever faced Froch. He is simply to small at 5'9 and lacking in power to keep off the Cobra for more than a couple of rounds.
Beyer's record is littered with dodgy split decision and majority decision wins and disqualifications.
As amateur in the lower division's he was useful, but like Manfredo, he has no business at 168lb and should have stuck to middleweight at best.
The only two names who i'd regard as world class on his record are Glen Catley and Mikkel Kessler - both knocked him.
It doesn't matter how much money Sauerland offered; if Froch would have been cofident to win against Beyer, then he would have taken the chance to win the WBC title (the most regarded in boxing), which is certainly more important than any British or Nottingham City championship.Felix Sturm took his first shot for a world championship against Hector Javier Velazco only with few hours notice (as substitute for Bert Schenk), as well Stipe Drews for the European championship vs. Silvio Branco. Markus Beyer was an excellent counterboxer, the best in Super-Middleweight of all time: He controlled the rematch against Green, who's more skillful and a better puncher than Froch. I can only remind me to one split decision which he have gotten, it was against Eric Lucas. The other split decision in his career was in the first bout vs. Sanavia, where the judges didn't scored it in his favour (in opposite to Froch vs. Dirrell or Froch vs. Adamu). Ridchie Woodhall, Eric Lucas and Danny Green were probably better than Glen Catley (who lost against two of them) or Jeff Lacy. Markus Beyer has without a doubt, a better record than Carl Froch now. It isn't a shame, if he wasn't ready then for this big step in opposition, but he shouldn't open his mouth about the illness of Inkin. |
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« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2010, 04:46:15 PM » |
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« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2010, 04:55:08 PM » |
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question to gul really who would you have in your super six in the supper middleweight division then ?
If you mean which fighter of this weight division deserve it most at that time, the I would had putted in it: Arthur Abraham, Mikkel Kessler, Lucian Bute, Carl Froch, Denis Inkin and Librado Andrade. But I think the contract were fixed in July (previous to Balzsay vs. Stieglitz), then it should have been: Arthur Abraham, Mikkel Kessler, Karoly Balzsay, Lucian Bute, Carl Froch and Denis Inkin. |
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« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2010, 05:05:20 PM » |
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If you mean which fighter of this weight division deserve it most at that time, the I would had putted in it: Arthur Abraham, Mikkel Kessler, Lucian Bute, Carl Froch, Denis Inkin and Librado Andrade. But I think the contract were fixed in July (previous to Balzsay vs. Stieglitz), then it should have been: Arthur Abraham, Mikkel Kessler, Karoly Balzsay, Lucian Bute, Carl Froch and Denis Inkin.
Even after seeing Andre Ward whoop Kessler, u still would not include him in the Super 6? You have to remember who is staging the tournament and where they are based. That's why there are 3 American fighters involved. Joe-public American boxing fan wouldnt give a sh*t about a fight between Inkin and Kessler. |
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« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2010, 05:14:07 PM » |
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Even after seeing Andre Ward whoop Kessler, u still would not include him in the Super 6? You have to remember who is staging the tournament and where they are based. That's why there are 3 American fighters involved. Joe-public American boxing fan wouldnt give a sh*t about a fight between Inkin and Kessler.
It was previous to Kessler vs. Ward when the tournament was set (because it was the first round of it), therefore I've wrote at that time. The question was, who I would have putted in it, not the American boxing public. The only American boxer, who achieved enough to participate then was Jermain Taylor in the Super-Middleweight. |
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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2010, 05:18:21 PM » |
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It was previous to Kessler vs. Ward when the tournament was set (because it was the first round of it), therefore I've wrote at that time. The question was, who I would have putted in it, not the American boxing public. The only American boxer, who achieved enough to participate was Jermain Taylor then in the Super-Middleweight.
And I said even after would u not include him. It was a question!! |
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« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2010, 05:20:59 PM » |
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And I said even after would u not include him. It was a question!!
How shall this work, when it was a part of the tournament and he got 2 points for it?  |
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« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2010, 05:27:22 PM » |
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How shall this work, when it was a part of the tournament and he got 2 points for it? I was asking, now if you were to do a Super 6 who would be in it. I wanted to see if your bias for German/Eastern European fighters could justify leaving somebody like Ward out |
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« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2010, 06:43:15 PM » |
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ok gul just say the the super six ended now after the first round who would be your super 6 fighters?
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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2010, 07:17:13 PM » |
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ok gul just say the the super six ended now after the first round who would be your super 6 fighters?
If you mean the current best 6 boxers in the division, then it should in it, why I only have watched the last 3 rounds of Froch vs. Dirrell (therefore I won rate it much): Abraham, Bute, Ward, Froch, Kessler and Inkin. |
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« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2010, 08:05:49 PM » |
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If you mean the current best 6 boxers in the division, then it should in it, why I only have watched the last 3 rounds of Froch vs. Dirrell (therefore I won rate it much): Abraham, Bute, Ward, Froch, Kessler and Inkin.
Why Inkin? He got beat up by Balzay and hasn't fought since.... He also is yet to fight a legitimate world class test.. |
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« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2010, 06:01:59 PM » |
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Why Inkin? He got beat up by Balzay and hasn't fought since....
He also is yet to fight a legitimate world class test..
Because his fight vs. Balzsay was very close (could possibly scored as draw), who is not only physical stronger/ bigger, but also technical very well schooled and was undefeated then. He has fought a very good opposition in Super-Middleweight (better than Dirrell, Ward, Miranda, Allan Green, Pasqual and Sartison) and is already tested. He has not only a fine technique, but also punching-power and is an offensive fighter. |
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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2010, 06:12:04 PM » |
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Because his fight vs. Balzsay was very close (could possibly scored as draw), who is not only physical stronger/ bigger, but also technical very well schooled and was undefeated then. He has fought a very good opposition in Super-Middleweight (better than Dirrell, Ward, Miranda, Allan Green, Pasqual and Sartison) and is already tested. He has not only a fine technique, but also punching-power and is an offensive fighter.
Inkin has not fought better opposition than Miranda. Look at the best names on their records: Inkin: Karoly Balzsay, Fulgencio Zuniga, Mario Veit, Jozsef Nagy, Julio Cesar Vasquez. Now compare that with.... Miranda: Andre Ward, Arthur Abraham (twice), Kelly Pavlik, Allan Green, Howard Eastman. Sure Inkin has a better win/loss record, but Miranda has been in with far better fighters. |
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« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2010, 06:42:44 PM » |
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Inkin has not fought better opposition than Miranda.
Look at the best names on their records:
Inkin: Karoly Balzsay, Fulgencio Zuniga, Mario Veit, Jozsef Nagy, Julio Cesar Vasquez.
Now compare that with....
Miranda: Andre Ward, Arthur Abraham (twice), Kelly Pavlik, Allan Green, Howard Eastman.
Sure Inkin has a better win/loss record, but Miranda has been in with far better fighters.
You forgot former European champion and contender Mger Mkrtchian, undefeated Konni Konrad, Argentinian contender Martin Abel Bruer, Malik Dziara and former contender Branko Sobot. I actually meant the overall record: Eastman came from 2 clear defeats in row and was over the hill, while Green was a nobody then (he is it actually still). The over ones are just one or two leagues above Miranda and showed this. |
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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2010, 08:02:16 PM » |
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You forgot former European champion and contender Mger Mkrtchian, undefeated Konni Konrad, Argentinian contender Martin Abel Bruer, Malik Dziara and former contender Branko Sobot.
I actually meant the overall record: Eastman came from 2 clear defeats in row and was over the hill, while Green was a nobody then (he is it actually still). The over ones are just one or two leagues above Miranda and showed this.
Sobot? Ive heard it all now. I thought you had gone crazy by declaring that Beyer has a better record than Froch! This is beyer who was beaten by euro journyman Sanavia in his German hometown (a miracle in itself). |
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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2010, 08:18:43 PM » |
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Because his fight vs. Balzsay was very close (could possibly scored as draw), who is not only physical stronger/ bigger, but also technical very well schooled and was undefeated then. He has fought a very good opposition in Super-Middleweight (better than Dirrell, Ward, Miranda, Allan Green, Pasqual and Sartison) and is already tested. He has not only a fine technique, but also punching-power and is an offensive fighter.
Close or not, he LOST to Balzsay, who was STOPPED by Stieglitz, who has been STOPPEd by Andrade and Berrio. Not to mention he hasn't fought in a year and the best names on his resume are a who's who of failed contenders. There is no way you can argue that Inkin is one of the top 6 SMWs in the world. |
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