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« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2010, 01:32:07 AM » |
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« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2010, 01:32:07 AM » |
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« Reply #61 on: January 10, 2010, 05:14:38 AM » |
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It doesn't matter how much money Sauerland offered; if Froch would have been cofident to win against Beyer, then he would have taken the chance to win the WBC title (the most regarded in boxing), which is certainly more important than any British or Nottingham City championship.Felix Sturm took his first shot for a world championship against Hector Javier Velazco only with few hours notice (as substitute for Bert Schenk), as well Stipe Drews for the European championship vs. Silvio Branco. Markus Beyer was an excellent counterboxer, the best in Super-Middleweight of all time: He controlled the rematch against Green, who's more skillful and a better puncher than Froch.
I can only remind me to one split decision which he have gotten, it was against Eric Lucas. The other split decision in his career was in the first bout vs. Sanavia, where the judges didn't scored it in his favour (in opposite to Froch vs. Dirrell or Froch vs. Adamu).
Ridchie Woodhall, Eric Lucas and Danny Green were probably better than Glen Catley (who lost against two of them) or Jeff Lacy. Markus Beyer has without a doubt, a better record than Carl Froch now. It isn't a shame, if he wasn't ready then for this big step in opposition, but he shouldn't open his mouth about the illness of Inkin.
My God you are so delusional. Markus Beyer was gurbbage.He was almost knocked out by Danny Green when the guy only had 17 pro fights and was still very One Dimentional.If It was not for the DQ he would have been beaten.Glen Catley was knocked out by Eric Lucas,who got knocked out by Danny Green .In the rematch Danny Green had a bad start but he finished stornger down the stretch by knocking beyer down twice in the final round.Beyer was only a few seconds away from getting knocked Out ,so he survived the final Round and hung on to a MD coz of his better start. so a One dimentional guy put Beyer on the Canvas 4 times in 2 fights and still Beyer was lucky to escape with a DQ and a MD.It shows you how average he was. When he faced Kessler he was Raped Big time,coz he had poor defence and his Counterpunching was average. Froch would sh!t all over Beyer coz the guy was so mentally weak. Beyer was a Dud Champion who got knocked out Cold by a guy who could not even score a right hand against Ward. |
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« Reply #62 on: January 10, 2010, 11:42:59 PM » |
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My God you are so delusional.
Markus Beyer was gurbbage.He was almost knocked out by Danny Green when the guy only had 17 pro fights and was still very One Dimentional.If It was not for the DQ he would have been beaten.Glen Catley was knocked out by Eric Lucas,who got knocked out by Danny Green .In the rematch Danny Green had a bad start but he finished stornger down the stretch by knocking beyer down twice in the final round.Beyer was only a few seconds away from getting knocked Out ,so he survived the final Round and hung on to a MD coz of his better start.
so a One dimentional guy put Beyer on the Canvas 4 times in 2 fights and still Beyer was lucky to escape with a DQ and a MD.It shows you how average he was.
When he faced Kessler he was Raped Big time,coz he had poor defence and his Counterpunching was average.
Froch would sh!t all over Beyer coz the guy was so mentally weak.
Beyer was a Dud Champion who got knocked out Cold by a guy who could not even score a right hand against Ward.
Have you seen any of these fight?   I don't think so! Well Danny Green had only 16 professional fights, but have won all by knockout. He was better than Froch, and Beyer did his first (voluntary) title-defence against him. He probably would have knocked Green out in the first bout, because who out-gunned himself and the first 3 rounds and was tired (therefore Markus Beyer won round 4 and 5 clear). Caltey stopped Beyer in the last round (the referee took him possibly too early out) and was dominated by Lucas, who gave up against Green (because of an injury). But Beyer won against both, Lucas and Green. So what does it prove? If you fight the best, then you can sometimes lose (look to Ali and Robinson). Markus Beyer wasn't knocked down in the revenge-match vs. Danny Green, he got a standing eight count at begining of round 12, but fought back from the middle of that round. He wasn't out of his feet like Bute in the first bout vs. Andrade or Taylor against Froch, or how he could survive more than two minutes (which is twice as much as Jermain Taylor had)? Beyer would have stopped Froch with a liver-hook, if who didn't had ducked him. |
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« Reply #63 on: January 10, 2010, 11:48:41 PM » |
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gully gully gully we argue again how in hell is beyer in your top ten i do not know lets have a guess a certain sven ' i get gifted decisions' ottke is number id say frochy is just inside top 8 and after the super six probably top 4 or 3 after he wins it of cause
Carl Froch inside the top eight?  Will you pull my leg? He fought one big name (Taylor) in his whole career. He isn't top twenty, even Thomas Tate and Mario Veit achieved more than he. That he win the Super 6 tournament is very unlikely, but this woundn't bring him in the top 5 (neither of the participants will be in it when the tournament is finished, just as any other Super-Middleweight). |
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« Reply #63 on: January 10, 2010, 11:48:41 PM » |
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« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2010, 10:54:34 AM » |
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gul are you for real?
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« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2010, 01:49:29 PM » |
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Gul please be serious...
The only reason Beyer has won the title 3 times is because he's lost it 3 times...
nobody here but you rates him....
Eric Lucas, Danny Green and Omar Sheika his best wins are terrible fighters with 19 losses between them the majority of those losses are to very under average opponents.
we all know you like your eastern european fighters but nobody is taking you seriously because of posts like these...
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« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2010, 06:40:42 PM » |
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Gul please be serious...
The only reason Beyer has won the title 3 times is because he's lost it 3 times...
nobody here but you rates him....
Eric Lucas, Danny Green and Omar Sheika his best wins are terrible fighters with 19 losses between them the majority of those losses are to very under average opponents.
we all know you like your eastern european fighters but nobody is taking you seriously because of posts like these...
Robinson became also only 5 times champion in Middleweight, because he lost it as much (just as Ali and Holyfield in the Heavyweight). Beyer also dominated Woodhall. He as well as Lucas and Green were all ranked top 3 in Super-Middleweight. I can't take someone serious, who rank Carl Froch now in the top 8 of all time in Super-Middleweight (and possibly Clinton Woods in the all time top 10 of Light-Heavyweight, just as David Haye as all time top 5 in the Heavyweight). Because this person know probably only boxers from the past ten years and 90 % of it are British. |
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« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2010, 08:04:14 PM » |
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People remember Robinson, Ali, Holyfield for beating legends in the ring not for how many times they won or lost titles, Beyer has beaten nobody worth mentioning Carl Froch has...
Nobody is saying Carl Froch is an all time great or atleast im not hes got a lot to do yet, All im saying is if Froch and Beyer were to meet Beyer would get knocked out...
I wouldn't rate Clinton Woods in the top 50 light heavyweights of all time let alone top 10...
Richie Woodhall was a half-decent fighter but extremely limited and far to small for Super-Middleweight....
David Haye has won 2 or 3 fights at Heavyweight for someone to rank him as an all time great would be ridiculous but he's in the top 3 current Heavyweights...
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« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2010, 09:48:29 PM » |
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People remember Robinson, Ali, Holyfield for beating legends in the ring not for how many times they won or lost titles, Beyer has beaten nobody worth mentioning Carl Froch has...
Nobody is saying Carl Froch is an all time great or atleast im not hes got a lot to do yet, All im saying is if Froch and Beyer were to meet Beyer would get knocked out...
I wouldn't rate Clinton Woods in the top 50 light heavyweights of all time let alone top 10...
Richie Woodhall was a half-decent fighter but extremely limited and far to small for Super-Middleweight....
David Haye has won 2 or 3 fights at Heavyweight for someone to rank him as an all time great would be ridiculous but he's in the top 3 current Heavyweights...
Who of Carl Frochs opponents is more worth to mentioning than the ones which fought against Markus Beyer? Froch has only fought against a blown up middleweight, who lost twice vs. Pavlik and is past his best. To rate him under the 8 best Super-Middleweights of all time is ridiculous too. I say Froch would have gotten knocked out by a leather-hook, if he'd had been brave enough to fight Beyer (but he wasn't). Because Green was better Froch and ranked on place 2 by Fightnews (behind Calzaghe), ahead of Kessler, at the time of his rematch vs. Beyer. Woodhall was also regarded as, aside from Calzaghe, best world champion in Super-Middleweight then and he's also in the all time ranking above Froch. And he's taller than Beyer, Ottke and Calzaghe in my opinion. If he wins against Ward, Bute and Abraham, then can Carl Froch possibly compared with Markus Beyer. By the way no Haye isn't top 3, but perhaps top 5 in the Heavyweight. |
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« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2010, 04:56:49 AM » |
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Gul Dukat is kinda hard to understand. His sentences often make little sense. |
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« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2010, 07:18:34 AM » |
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Gul Dukat is kinda hard to understand. His sentences often make little sense. I think he's trying to say that Beyer's resume is superior to Froch's. That's what I got out of it anyway.  |
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